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Speaker 1: Hey, welcome man. I'm Doug Gottlieb and you, well, you

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Speaker 1: are listening to all Balls, all Basketball, all the time.

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Speaker 1: Every week I have a guest with me. I give

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Speaker 1: you my thoughts, I give my my dreams, my aspirations.

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Speaker 1: And today we're coming to you on a Thursday. It's

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Speaker 1: the day after the Toronto Raptors whooped up on the

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Speaker 1: Golden State Warriors. They've taken a three games to lead,

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Speaker 1: and of course, as you probably already know, guessing maybe

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Speaker 1: um Kevin rant is out for Game four. Clay Thompson

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Speaker 1: supposed to be back for Game four. My my biggest concern,

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Speaker 1: and maybe this is because when I got to be

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Speaker 1: thirty years old, maybe it was like thirty two, thirty three,

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Speaker 1: I remember playing and I had never been hurt. I

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Speaker 1: have eyes on my radio show would you can listen

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Speaker 1: to daily from three to sixty Eastern told three Pacific.

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Speaker 1: I have guys on a radio show that always like, well,

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Speaker 1: you were an athlete, you were hurt, like literally knock

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Speaker 1: would I've never really been hurt with this is the exception.

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Speaker 1: When I got to my mid maybe it's thirty five.

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Speaker 1: When I got to my mid thirties, I got to

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Speaker 1: my mid thirties. Um, all of a sudden, I pulled

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Speaker 1: my hamstring. And you know, when you're not on a team,

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Speaker 1: you don't have to be able to rehab. You simply

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Speaker 1: feel terrible for a day, Like you come home and

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Speaker 1: did anyway, So you limp on in the ice and

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Speaker 1: doing yoga. You start to try and lift with it,

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Speaker 1: And the thing about pulling a hamstring is like it

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Speaker 1: though all of a sudden, like the strength returns to

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Speaker 1: it and you're fine, like inexplicably, But there's usually like

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Speaker 1: And I can't think that five days later Clay Thompson

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Speaker 1: will be fine. If they don't have all thine Klay Thompson,

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Speaker 1: how can they possibly expect to beat the Toronto Raptors.

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Speaker 1: And eventually they think they'll get back Kevin Durant, But

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Speaker 1: if he's not back yet, how can they expect to

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Speaker 1: beat the Toronto Raptors. You know, three games, the one

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Speaker 1: seems to be the magic number. I'll bring him back.

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Speaker 1: But like if you have if your calf hurts that

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Speaker 1: the game in like three weeks? And granted we're we're

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Speaker 1: looking at average guy stuff and trying to measure it

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Speaker 1: up again superstar athletes and how their bodies will respond.

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Speaker 1: But they're not matching up with average guys. They're superstar

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Speaker 1: athletes matching up with superstar athletes. So I think I'm

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Speaker 1: But you know what I do think. I do think

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Speaker 1: I've I've heard a couple of people say that there

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Speaker 1: you gotta you're just making arguments to make arguments. Maybe

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Speaker 1: Al Right, so that's three starters. There isn't a human

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Speaker 1: essentially what happened to the Cleveland Cavaliers when they lost.

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Speaker 1: They had lost earlier in the playoffs. They had lost

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Speaker 1: one and that thing went to six games. And of

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Speaker 1: course Lebron James was pique Lebron James. But then factor in.

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Speaker 1: What you would have to factor in is Tristan Thompson

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Speaker 1: And if that was the case, I don't am playing injured.

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Speaker 1: I take nothing away from Steph playing magnificently and the

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Speaker 1: team not being good enough around him. What I do

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Speaker 1: think is this really hurts anyone's argument about Draymond and

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Speaker 1: Andre Gudala being Hall of Famers. They're great role players

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Speaker 1: in which they play with the Warriors, but but they

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Speaker 1: a Hall of Famer. Be sure to catch live editions,

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Speaker 1: so the Doug Dot Leap Show weekdays in noon eastern

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Speaker 1: three pm Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the I

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Speaker 1: Heart Radio app. One other thought here on something happening

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Speaker 1: in UM in college basketball. I love that they're moving

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Speaker 1: the three point line back. I love that there's a

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Speaker 1: shortened shot clock on an offensive rebound. I think these

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Speaker 1: things are fantastic for the betterment of the game. Fantastic.

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Speaker 1: But the the r J. Hampton thing is weird. Look,

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Speaker 1: Pilips my my guest this week. I just I don't

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Speaker 1: all of them prepare you perfectly for the NBA, like

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Speaker 1: no different styles, different systems. But I also think that

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Speaker 1: college coaches buying large have helped Ray East promote nurtured

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Speaker 1: a different type of coaching and a different type of teaching,

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Speaker 1: one that values It's just simple. You pick up the phone,

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Speaker 1: you call Bill self, you pick up the phone, you

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Speaker 1: cris perd You go, hey, coach, it's been great getting

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Speaker 1: this is the social media thing. Everybody else is wrong.

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Speaker 1: Accept the athlete, Accept the player. Where they're the ones

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Speaker 1: that are always right. Let's welcome in Rashod Phillips. Of course,

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Speaker 1: got he's got his own YouTube channel. He was a

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Speaker 1: great player Detroit played a ton professionally. And uh, we're

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Speaker 1: draft and the NBA Finals without further ado. My man

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Speaker 1: Rashot Phillips. Rash Let's let's start with last night's game. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: Did we learn anything at all from last night? Um?

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Speaker 1: We we actually got to see how good Steph Curry

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Speaker 1: But again then you factor and then when there will

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Speaker 1: But back to your question, UM, I think with Clay

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Speaker 1: more if success is going to be predicated on what

425
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Speaker 1: other people do for him, the lobs he has to catch,

426
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Speaker 1: putting him in position to score. John's going to create

427
00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:18,439
Speaker 1: his own opportunities. He's gonna make his own playground. So

428
00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:21,359
Speaker 1: that's just maybe that's just the point guarding me, But

429
00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:24,280
Speaker 1: that's just kind of how I see the game. I

430
00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:29,280
Speaker 1: love the I love the quarterback analogy. Um, the the one.

431
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Speaker 1: The The thing I do think Zion brings and is

432
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Speaker 1: a hard one, is I think he's the Everyone in

433
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Speaker 1: the league has been looking for the next Draymond, right, Yes,

434
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Speaker 1: you want the next Harden and Curry and dominant ball

435
00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:50,840
Speaker 1: handler and uh but I do think those guys tend

436
00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:54,160
Speaker 1: to come along more than another Draymond. And by Draymond,

437
00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:56,560
Speaker 1: I mean can you guard? I know you do, but

438
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Speaker 1: can you guard one through five? He can? Can you

439
00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:03,760
Speaker 1: handle the ball and make plays and initiate an offense?

440
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:06,280
Speaker 1: I think he can? And then can you score down

441
00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:10,359
Speaker 1: the post. And I I think he's actually way further along,

442
00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:13,440
Speaker 1: maybe even now than Draymond. Now like Draymond doesn't really

443
00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:18,400
Speaker 1: score down there at all, doesn't even know. But this guy,

444
00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:24,399
Speaker 1: this guy is and and and I so I I

445
00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:27,399
Speaker 1: get it, like I get it in terms of, uh,

446
00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:31,199
Speaker 1: you know, the usage rate of John Brant and R. J.

447
00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:34,280
Speaker 1: Barrett is going to be if if on a bad

448
00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:36,800
Speaker 1: team is going to be super high, and so their

449
00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:40,360
Speaker 1: numbers should should reflect not just scoring, but assist and

450
00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:43,119
Speaker 1: and you're gonna run your offense through them. But I

451
00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:46,159
Speaker 1: do think that Zion is there's a little bit of

452
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Speaker 1: unicorn to him in that you can help you at

453
00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:53,800
Speaker 1: both ends. And with the right team, he he may

454
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Speaker 1: be he may be as or more valuable piece, even

455
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Speaker 1: if the numbers don't reflect us such. I understand that totally.

456
00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:03,720
Speaker 1: He and I like Zion I do. I just think

457
00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:06,800
Speaker 1: there's there's a magnetism about him, and he has some

458
00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:09,760
Speaker 1: intangibles that you can't teach. He's a great teammate, he's

459
00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:13,800
Speaker 1: a great help defender. Obviously, he's a superb athlete and

460
00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:16,040
Speaker 1: he does but you know, with Draymond, you know, he

461
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:19,920
Speaker 1: doesn't have Draymond. I Q. You know, uh, he doesn't

462
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:22,800
Speaker 1: have that feel for the game yet, but I think

463
00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:24,480
Speaker 1: that's something that he can grow into if you put

464
00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:26,960
Speaker 1: the right guys around him. All right, let's let's start

465
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Speaker 1: to work our way down the first round of the drift. Yeah. Um,

466
00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:35,639
Speaker 1: we were we were all told r J was the

467
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:40,000
Speaker 1: guy coming into the year, and now we're all told, well, see,

468
00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:43,560
Speaker 1: the problem was the spacing of college basketball. He didn't

469
00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:49,159
Speaker 1: have enough shooting with Duke, and r J's season didn't

470
00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:52,400
Speaker 1: look as good as it could have because of the sport,

471
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:57,640
Speaker 1: because of the supporting cast, and everyone in New York

472
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Speaker 1: is convinced, you absolutely take r J Barrett third. I

473
00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:06,520
Speaker 1: see him as a bit mechanical. Um. I also think

474
00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:10,120
Speaker 1: and here's my my biggest issue with r J, and like, look,

475
00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:12,040
Speaker 1: if they're not gonna get Kyrie, I guess it doesn't

476
00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:16,199
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. But if he's not, he doesn't have

477
00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:20,800
Speaker 1: the ball in his hands playing downhill with like, what

478
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:24,960
Speaker 1: is he doing? And in order to do that, you

479
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:30,080
Speaker 1: gotta be you gotta be Trey Young skill or as

480
00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:34,080
Speaker 1: a rookie, or you gotta be um you know, are

481
00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:38,280
Speaker 1: you eventually James Harden? Eventually Russell Westbrook are eventually Steph

482
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:41,760
Speaker 1: Curry and I'm not willing to put that stamp you

483
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:44,400
Speaker 1: you evaluated him a ton. What do you think of

484
00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:48,719
Speaker 1: r J? I think the first of all, I want

485
00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:51,800
Speaker 1: to talk about the mentality that he has. I think

486
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:54,920
Speaker 1: he's I think he's the most competitive kid in the draft.

487
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Speaker 1: Um alongside and not see here a little. I just

488
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Speaker 1: think that r J possesses a doll getting him because

489
00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:06,000
Speaker 1: usually guys and and we we know this, we're hoopers,

490
00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:08,600
Speaker 1: but you know, usually guys that have a lot of

491
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:10,960
Speaker 1: dog in them, Doug don't have a lot of skill

492
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:15,720
Speaker 1: because they have to make up in those areas. You know.

493
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Speaker 1: I I played with a lot of guys like he

494
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:20,080
Speaker 1: can't really dribble that well, but he's a dog. He

495
00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:22,680
Speaker 1: can't really run that fast, but he's a dog. He

496
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:25,040
Speaker 1: doesn't really shoe it that well, but he's a dog.

497
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Speaker 1: And I think r J falls under that definition. Um

498
00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:32,480
Speaker 1: And I think he's a nose dive scorer. He's just

499
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Speaker 1: straight down the line. He's great in transition, he's great

500
00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:40,280
Speaker 1: initiate contact, but when the ball is not in his hands,

501
00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:44,560
Speaker 1: I don't see enough skill level where he can help

502
00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:46,640
Speaker 1: a team in regards to Kenny's stand in the corner

503
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:48,720
Speaker 1: and make some three point shots because that's the way

504
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:51,960
Speaker 1: the game is. I see him more being a better

505
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:54,959
Speaker 1: defensive player than what we've given him credit for. And

506
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Speaker 1: my NBA comparison, and a lot of people don't like this,

507
00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:00,200
Speaker 1: and they've been mad at me, But I said was

508
00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:03,360
Speaker 1: he reminds me of Kelly Oubrey. And that wasn't a

509
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:07,920
Speaker 1: slight to him. It's just what I see him turning

510
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Speaker 1: into and the n B A a three and D

511
00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:16,120
Speaker 1: guy that can slash and get out in transition and

512
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Speaker 1: be a seventeen point score in the league. I don't

513
00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:21,840
Speaker 1: see him average in twenty six. He's not dynamic enough

514
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:27,400
Speaker 1: for that. So if you don't do r J Barrett,

515
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:33,280
Speaker 1: who what would you do? Um? If I'm the Knicks,

516
00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:39,400
Speaker 1: I'm probably I would try to trade that picks. Um. Okay,

517
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:41,680
Speaker 1: So like, let's let's let's take the Knicks out of it.

518
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Speaker 1: Who would be what prospect would you think is a

519
00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:50,480
Speaker 1: better this is? Let's let's get into this discussion because

520
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:54,000
Speaker 1: this hasn't been had by anybody else. I know you,

521
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:56,920
Speaker 1: I know you. You see him, You see Tracy McGrady, right,

522
00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:02,920
Speaker 1: I see some Tracy McGrady in him Dug I personally,

523
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:06,400
Speaker 1: I personally came in and I was like, man, I

524
00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:09,720
Speaker 1: love cam Reddish. I've had people who talk to me say,

525
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:15,120
Speaker 1: don't there's there's something about personality wise, They say, like,

526
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:20,040
Speaker 1: he plays basketball, but he ain't. He doesn't. I don't

527
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Speaker 1: know if it's love the game. There's a there's a

528
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:25,720
Speaker 1: there's again, these are reputations wise, there's a sense of

529
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Speaker 1: a lack of toughness. Um, there's a there's a bit

530
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:37,200
Speaker 1: of an entitled um. People think it's a little bit entitled,

531
00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:39,480
Speaker 1: Like he's a guy who when he pops out of

532
00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:41,560
Speaker 1: the car and walks into the gym, you're like, damn,

533
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:50,000
Speaker 1: you know, m right, pounds seven f one, wingspan eight

534
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:54,680
Speaker 1: nine standing reach, blah blah blah. But but they don't.

535
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:58,240
Speaker 1: They don't love him in the NBA. They just think

536
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:02,160
Speaker 1: there's so many eyes in so many lows, there's some

537
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:04,960
Speaker 1: power to him, and that he's a guy who in

538
00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 1: an empty gym looks a whole lot better when than

539
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:09,760
Speaker 1: when there's nine guys on the floor. Now you know

540
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:13,680
Speaker 1: who you just described to me. You just described Randy

541
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:18,040
Speaker 1: Moss to me. That's who you describe in football terms.

542
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:21,040
Speaker 1: I believe Cam Reddish is the Randy Moss of this draft.

543
00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:25,520
Speaker 1: You it's a lot of this red flags are narrative based.

544
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:28,280
Speaker 1: All the things that you said is the it's the

545
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 1: narrative that's been created around his kid. But he has

546
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:38,560
Speaker 1: all the natural physical gifts to be really great. So

547
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:42,360
Speaker 1: as a as a gem of an organization, I can't

548
00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:45,120
Speaker 1: pass on a guy like that. If I whiff on

549
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:48,680
Speaker 1: this one, does I just whiff on it because what

550
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:53,960
Speaker 1: you said still makes me want to draft him. It

551
00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:56,000
Speaker 1: still makes me want to draft him, Like, this is

552
00:32:56,280 --> 00:33:01,360
Speaker 1: a kid that could possibly be Tracy mgrady or he

553
00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:05,400
Speaker 1: can be Joe Johnson, and I gotta swing at that

554
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:09,440
Speaker 1: one and if I win. Hey man, look the take

555
00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:12,160
Speaker 1: told me this, this is what I saw and this

556
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:16,120
Speaker 1: is what his capabilities. All right, he turned into Joe Johnson. Okay,

557
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:18,960
Speaker 1: no problem. So that's that's kind of how I look

558
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:22,240
Speaker 1: at Cam Reddish. I just think that there's some prospects.

559
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:25,640
Speaker 1: You have to swing the bat, and this is the

560
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 1: prospect where you swing the bat. Period. That's how I

561
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:32,719
Speaker 1: look at can Reddish. You Loven seer Little, and I

562
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:37,720
Speaker 1: guess the problem with this Seer Little is Um, there's

563
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:43,760
Speaker 1: just not there's just not that much there there, right,

564
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:46,160
Speaker 1: what you're saying, I understand what you're go in terms

565
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:48,560
Speaker 1: of like, I don't know what he trans like do

566
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:50,880
Speaker 1: I think he will? He's got dog in him and

567
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:57,520
Speaker 1: will compete. Um, but I think he was able to

568
00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:00,720
Speaker 1: get away with things at a lower level because he

569
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:04,600
Speaker 1: was just bigger, stronger, more athletic, and the skills not there,

570
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:09,399
Speaker 1: the basketball intellects not there. And I mean he's six

571
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:11,839
Speaker 1: four and that so I don't and so I don't

572
00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:14,920
Speaker 1: know what he is. Why do you have a greater

573
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:18,400
Speaker 1: affinity from this year little? Some people, well he's bigger

574
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 1: than six four. Let me tell you that. Well, he's

575
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:24,360
Speaker 1: about six seven six six and a half. I watched

576
00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:26,320
Speaker 1: Nasia in high school when he was here in Orlando

577
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:28,960
Speaker 1: and I and I always liked his motor. I call

578
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:32,200
Speaker 1: him not I call him the engine because he never stops.

579
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:36,439
Speaker 1: I believe Nasier is one of those players that when

580
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:39,880
Speaker 1: he's put into the right situation, I think he flourishes.

581
00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:42,759
Speaker 1: I don't think he's gonna be a first option or

582
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:46,000
Speaker 1: second option guy. I think he's he falls under that

583
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:50,719
Speaker 1: like the Chris Middleton type role. Like I mean, and

584
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:52,759
Speaker 1: I know Chris Middleton really stepped it up this year.

585
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:57,000
Speaker 1: But the guy that the third options to teams that

586
00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:00,960
Speaker 1: lockdown defender, that athlete that that, and it's just plays.

587
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:03,200
Speaker 1: I think that's why I think the Atlanta Hawks is

588
00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:06,960
Speaker 1: a perfect place for him at ten because he won't

589
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:10,160
Speaker 1: be asked to do a lot, but he will contribute

590
00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:13,520
Speaker 1: right away because of the engine that he has, the

591
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:16,360
Speaker 1: toughness that he has. UM, he's a better he's a

592
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:21,239
Speaker 1: better three point shooter then what people give him credit for. UM,

593
00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:23,680
Speaker 1: and the workouts that he's had. He's already worked out

594
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:26,880
Speaker 1: for a few teams. UM, the feedback that I've gotten

595
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:29,120
Speaker 1: from NBA teams that he's a better shooter than what

596
00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:32,239
Speaker 1: they thought. And I've I've had NBA people calling me

597
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:34,080
Speaker 1: and tell me shot he really can shoot. The boss

598
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:36,080
Speaker 1: I told you, you know. So I just think that

599
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:39,800
Speaker 1: he's gonna be a contributor. You know, I don't. I

600
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:42,359
Speaker 1: don't see like I think that's that's a great way

601
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:44,000
Speaker 1: to put that. This is how the draft has been

602
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:47,080
Speaker 1: told to me. Like, you have two dudes at the

603
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:50,320
Speaker 1: top who people think can be an All Star. You

604
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:52,600
Speaker 1: have a couple of guys in the middle, and somebody

605
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:54,600
Speaker 1: is going to be a really good player. And then

606
00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:56,480
Speaker 1: there's a bunch of guys that will play a while

607
00:35:56,600 --> 00:36:00,759
Speaker 1: in the NBA. Mhm. But but that doesn't mean that

608
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:03,160
Speaker 1: they're going to be They're not gonna be great players,

609
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:04,880
Speaker 1: but they're not gonna be bad. You just have to

610
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:09,680
Speaker 1: you have to, you have to change your perspective on it, right,

611
00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:11,520
Speaker 1: Like the idea that you're going to get an All

612
00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:14,440
Speaker 1: Star in the middle of the first round is highly

613
00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:18,239
Speaker 1: unlikely this year. Instead, get a guy who fits who

614
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:21,359
Speaker 1: you know, you know what what what he's going to be? Yes?

615
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:24,759
Speaker 1: Who helps? I think Nazy a little is a he

616
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:27,759
Speaker 1: is a safe pick, like when you draft Nazi a little.

617
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:30,960
Speaker 1: Whatever teams drafts down sleet will, sleet will. At night,

618
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:33,759
Speaker 1: don't say, oh, I think we should have got this guy.

619
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Speaker 1: Go to be it. Get your eight hours of sleep.

620
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:41,200
Speaker 1: What bull bull is interesting? So, so here's the bull

621
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:45,520
Speaker 1: bull thing? Right, So he's seven two and a chloro

622
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:49,239
Speaker 1: with shoes on seven seven wings, span nine seven and

623
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:53,080
Speaker 1: a half reach, But he doesn't totally he's not really

624
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:55,759
Speaker 1: your rim protector. But the one thing will and he's

625
00:36:55,840 --> 00:37:01,640
Speaker 1: only two hundred and eight pounds seven seven seven to two.

626
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:07,239
Speaker 1: Oh okay, but yeah, he can really shoot like you

627
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:11,960
Speaker 1: can pumping. He can really shoot and you know, whereas

628
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:14,439
Speaker 1: other guys get to the NBA and have to learn

629
00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:17,640
Speaker 1: to shoot like this dude can actually really shoot the

630
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:25,120
Speaker 1: right So, uh, what's he what's his value in the

631
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:27,960
Speaker 1: Can he be a starter in the NBA? In your opinion?

632
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:30,840
Speaker 1: I don't think you start as a rookie, But I

633
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:35,120
Speaker 1: do think if he can stay healthy. See I said

634
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:38,239
Speaker 1: this before, I think with Bobo, I think he may

635
00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:41,120
Speaker 1: be sometimes I think you're too tall for the game.

636
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:44,319
Speaker 1: The way he plays like he's seven too, and he's

637
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:47,160
Speaker 1: trying to play like he's six one. That's taxing on

638
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:50,960
Speaker 1: your legs. Act porzingis Kevin Durant with the calf strain.

639
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:53,640
Speaker 1: I just think when you're seven and you play like

640
00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:57,000
Speaker 1: your six one, you're susceptible to get injured more. And

641
00:37:57,040 --> 00:37:59,600
Speaker 1: I think that's why you had the foot injury. Um.

642
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:03,440
Speaker 1: But I do think that he has some marketable skills

643
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:06,800
Speaker 1: because the way the NBA has played with the spacing,

644
00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:09,040
Speaker 1: I think he's going to be an asset to a

645
00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:12,640
Speaker 1: team because he can knock down some shots. I probably

646
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:17,200
Speaker 1: wouldn't take him with the top eight picks, but right

647
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:20,919
Speaker 1: after teen eleven twelve is where I would I would

648
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:24,520
Speaker 1: definitely swing the back at a player like that because

649
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:27,600
Speaker 1: of his you know, he's seven too. You can't pass

650
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:29,480
Speaker 1: up a seven two guy that can actually put the

651
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:31,880
Speaker 1: ball on the floor. Got a little flare to his game,

652
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:36,440
Speaker 1: and he can make shots. Brandon Clark's a freak athlete,

653
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:41,160
Speaker 1: you know, a guy who get he's older, transferred and

654
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:43,920
Speaker 1: does he has that motor like you talked about in

655
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:47,680
Speaker 1: the serely You've got a great motor. But he's a

656
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:51,239
Speaker 1: he's a net zero with his you know, with his

657
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:55,160
Speaker 1: wingspan to his height. He got short arms. Yeah, yeah,

658
00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:57,719
Speaker 1: he's got the t Rex thing going. And he's only

659
00:38:58,040 --> 00:39:02,200
Speaker 1: again and he's only two seven pounds, and so look

660
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:06,120
Speaker 1: like I loved him in college. I just don't know,

661
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:09,319
Speaker 1: like the thing about that everybody talks about like this

662
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:14,440
Speaker 1: Draymond liked. Draymond's got crazy, long arms, long crazy basketball.

663
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:20,520
Speaker 1: I Q crazy. Right, So what do you is Brandon

664
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:26,200
Speaker 1: Clark an NBA player? Uh? That's a tough one for me, um,

665
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:29,120
Speaker 1: because I don't really know what he is. You know,

666
00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:32,759
Speaker 1: he's in my top twenty rankings because just such a

667
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:35,600
Speaker 1: good college player. He's such a freak athlete. I think

668
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:38,960
Speaker 1: when you I think as when when kids are great

669
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:40,839
Speaker 1: athletes but you don't know what to do with them

670
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:43,479
Speaker 1: basketball wise, the best thing you can do for them

671
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:46,320
Speaker 1: when they get to the NBA is make them defensive

672
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:49,239
Speaker 1: stoppers until you figure it out. But can you be

673
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:51,359
Speaker 1: a defensive stop? Can be a defensive stop? And when

674
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:56,800
Speaker 1: you don't have long arms, like wingspan is not is

675
00:39:57,680 --> 00:40:00,880
Speaker 1: not gonna that's not gonna scare people, No, it's not.

676
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:04,680
Speaker 1: But I just think he has terrific, terrific lateral speed. Um,

677
00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:07,680
Speaker 1: he's a he's a fantastic athlete. I think he doesn't

678
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:09,480
Speaker 1: get enough predator for his motor. He can beat you

679
00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:11,919
Speaker 1: two spots. So, like I said, when you can't figure

680
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:14,759
Speaker 1: out what to do with them, the best thing you

681
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:16,879
Speaker 1: can do is make them defensive stoppers until you figure

682
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:19,400
Speaker 1: it out. And I think that's his best his best

683
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:22,279
Speaker 1: suit is like, Hey, you know what coming here. I

684
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:24,879
Speaker 1: need you to guard the toughest guys when you when

685
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:27,040
Speaker 1: you check into the game. I need you to guard

686
00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:30,520
Speaker 1: Raymond Green when you're checking the game, you know I

687
00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:33,080
Speaker 1: I need you to guard I need you to harass

688
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:35,880
Speaker 1: James Harden. You're a little taller than him. You know,

689
00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:39,279
Speaker 1: you give those type of guys assignments until you until

690
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:42,400
Speaker 1: they figure out what they're gonna be on the offensive

691
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:44,160
Speaker 1: side of the ball. And I think he's a question

692
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:47,719
Speaker 1: mark offensively, but I think defensively he's just a good

693
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:53,440
Speaker 1: rotation guy that that can fit in. Um, I feel

694
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:56,719
Speaker 1: like DeAndre Hunter, like we know exactly what he's going

695
00:40:56,760 --> 00:41:02,200
Speaker 1: to be, right, Yeah, yeah, Yeah, he's a little bit stiff. Yeah,

696
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:03,680
Speaker 1: I don't know if he's I don't know if he's

697
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:07,000
Speaker 1: right now. He's not a true you know, a three

698
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:10,440
Speaker 1: point shooter, but yeah, like he's a rotation guy, maybe

699
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:14,000
Speaker 1: a starter on a good team in the NBA, right, Yeah. Yeah.

700
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:16,440
Speaker 1: He doesn't pop. He doesn't pop on tape. He doesn't

701
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:18,200
Speaker 1: like if you watch his tape, he's not gonna pop.

702
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:21,000
Speaker 1: You know. It's just like, Okay, good player, you know,

703
00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:25,520
Speaker 1: good player, makes makes the right decisions, knows what he's doing,

704
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:28,719
Speaker 1: terrific defender. He kind of reminds me a little bit

705
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:32,160
Speaker 1: of Bruce Bowen, you know, um, kind of that type

706
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:34,879
Speaker 1: of guy that just that's gonna play hard, is gonna

707
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:37,000
Speaker 1: come to practice, gonna be a great locker, room guy.

708
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:39,960
Speaker 1: So he's a safe I think he's a safe pick.

709
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:42,480
Speaker 1: But that does not doesn't feel like he'll require a

710
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:45,360
Speaker 1: ton of maintenance. Right, He'll just get better. It doesn't

711
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:49,320
Speaker 1: require the ball a bunch to be who he can be. Yeah,

712
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:51,560
Speaker 1: Like I'm not gonna like like we talked about r

713
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:53,160
Speaker 1: J Barrett, Like r J Bartt, if he doesn't have

714
00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:56,200
Speaker 1: the basketball, what is he? You know, if you never

715
00:41:56,280 --> 00:42:01,000
Speaker 1: if you don't run any single play for DeAndre Hunter. Um,

716
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:03,560
Speaker 1: he'll be fine. You know, he'll be fine. He'll he'll

717
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:05,239
Speaker 1: choot when he's open, and if not, he'll move it

718
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:07,680
Speaker 1: in and rebound it. But there's there's definitely a lower

719
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:09,440
Speaker 1: ceiling there than a bunch of these other guys were

720
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:12,440
Speaker 1: talking about. You're right, right, Like I said, DeAndre, like

721
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:15,520
Speaker 1: if we're if we're if, if we're the GM, if

722
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:17,239
Speaker 1: I'm a GM, you're a GM of a team and

723
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:20,160
Speaker 1: we're working with the same NBA team, And I say, Doug,

724
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:22,759
Speaker 1: let's draft him. I'm not gonna high five you once

725
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:26,319
Speaker 1: we draft him. You know, it's just like, uh, we

726
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:28,520
Speaker 1: we played a safe on that one, dub. I think

727
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:32,760
Speaker 1: that's the kind of prospect he is. Um Tie Jerome

728
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:37,239
Speaker 1: does he make it in the league. I do. I

729
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:42,400
Speaker 1: think he I think he finds a home. Um great

730
00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:47,200
Speaker 1: works slow, I know, but he got great feet. He's slow,

731
00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:50,560
Speaker 1: but he can get to a spot, get to spots

732
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:53,800
Speaker 1: in college and and kind of like everybody says grievous

733
00:42:53,880 --> 00:43:00,600
Speaker 1: Vasquez like okay, okay, maybe and like I didn't notice

734
00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:03,680
Speaker 1: screws Vasquez had a you know, he played in the NBA,

735
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:07,200
Speaker 1: but it sound like he was a longtime NBA player. Yeah,

736
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:12,400
Speaker 1: he has an he has a negative wingspan. You're a

737
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:15,160
Speaker 1: wingspan guy, I'm not. I'm just telling you what Like

738
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:17,640
Speaker 1: NBA guys like I call him, I be like I

739
00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:20,360
Speaker 1: was like Tiderome, like what do you do with Hyderone?

740
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:23,239
Speaker 1: Like man, I'd love to have on my team. But

741
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:27,440
Speaker 1: dude has a negative wingspan, is slow and got away

742
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:30,239
Speaker 1: with like shot clock heaves in college because he just

743
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:34,760
Speaker 1: shot over smaller guys Like, yeah, you can't tie your shoes.

744
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:42,279
Speaker 1: I get it, But a negative wingspant negative wingspan. I'm not.

745
00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:44,480
Speaker 1: I'm not a wingspan guy, but when you start going

746
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:46,919
Speaker 1: t Rex on me, I'm like, okay, that's a little

747
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:50,000
Speaker 1: bit like your knee helped tie your shoes and yeah, yes,

748
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:52,680
Speaker 1: that's a problem. But no, I just think that he

749
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:56,439
Speaker 1: I just I just think that, you know, I think

750
00:43:56,480 --> 00:43:58,720
Speaker 1: he he may go in and out the G League,

751
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:01,319
Speaker 1: but I just think that he has there's some skills there.

752
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:03,680
Speaker 1: Let's not let's get the kids from credit. There's some

753
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:09,600
Speaker 1: skills there for drawn uh. There. There's a lot of

754
00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:11,120
Speaker 1: people are gonna talk. I want to talk to about R. J.

755
00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:16,640
Speaker 1: Hampton in a second. But Darius, basically, you know, he

756
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:18,839
Speaker 1: did this thing when he was gonna go to first

757
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:20,520
Speaker 1: he was gonna go to High State and he's gonna

758
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:25,000
Speaker 1: go Syracuse. He's gonna league instead, he sat out for

759
00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:28,960
Speaker 1: a year. Um, he's a he's a great measurement. He's

760
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:34,160
Speaker 1: a great measurement guy. Great. Yeah, ye, yes, yes he is.

761
00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:39,320
Speaker 1: Can you play? Yes, he is. I think he's gonna

762
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:41,880
Speaker 1: have a little I think that the transition to the

763
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:45,440
Speaker 1: NBA is gonna be a tough one. I think I

764
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:47,200
Speaker 1: think training camp for him is going to be a

765
00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:49,839
Speaker 1: wake up call. You know, like, hey man, these guys

766
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:54,080
Speaker 1: are faster and stronger in person. Um, he kind of

767
00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:56,760
Speaker 1: gives me that. He kind of gives me a thaddious

768
00:44:56,880 --> 00:45:01,560
Speaker 1: young feel. Um. A guy that can just kind of

769
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:06,080
Speaker 1: more of a utility athlete type. Do. So, I got

770
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:09,560
Speaker 1: another guy that can probably you know, be a roster

771
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:13,400
Speaker 1: guy um that I don't think he'll make an impact

772
00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:16,200
Speaker 1: on the NBA right away. I think it's a guy

773
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:19,600
Speaker 1: this is a more of a like Mid'angelo Russell scale.

774
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:22,360
Speaker 1: I think he's a year three, year four guy. I

775
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:24,360
Speaker 1: don't think he comes into the NBA and he's just

776
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:28,480
Speaker 1: wind milling on people. And if I'm wrong, I'll totally

777
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:30,440
Speaker 1: admit it. But I just don't see him going right

778
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:32,680
Speaker 1: into the NBA and he's just catching wind mills and

779
00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:34,880
Speaker 1: you know, doing I think it's going to be a

780
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:39,279
Speaker 1: learning curve for him. Okay, So give me a guy

781
00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:43,040
Speaker 1: who people aren't talking enough about that you believe is

782
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:49,600
Speaker 1: gonna be like I, it's been established. You're a cameradish guy. Established, Okay,

783
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:55,239
Speaker 1: got it? Hashtag talk soon? Okay, give me somebody. Give

784
00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:57,560
Speaker 1: me somebody a little more off the radar like that

785
00:45:57,680 --> 00:46:00,040
Speaker 1: dude was all everything, played it. Dude gonna be a

786
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:03,520
Speaker 1: top ten picker. So give me somebody who who you're

787
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:07,799
Speaker 1: gonna who got sure? Jalen hands U c l A.

788
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:12,120
Speaker 1: Jalen hands the point guard out of U c l

789
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:16,520
Speaker 1: A I think this kid has some dynamics. He has

790
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:20,480
Speaker 1: some NBA qualities about him that I believe that a

791
00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:23,920
Speaker 1: team can use him and he will be a good

792
00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:27,960
Speaker 1: backup player, but I think eventually he can work himself

793
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:30,480
Speaker 1: into a starting lineup down the line. I just like

794
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:34,279
Speaker 1: what the kid breaks to the table is he's fascinating

795
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:39,359
Speaker 1: because he he went to I don't want to sell

796
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:40,719
Speaker 1: out who told me this, but he went to an

797
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:44,120
Speaker 1: NBA workout last year and excuse my French, but he

798
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:49,439
Speaker 1: was an asshole. Um, he just he had he had

799
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:53,080
Speaker 1: an arrogance to him. He actually talked back to the coaches.

800
00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:55,680
Speaker 1: They're like they were just could not get him out

801
00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:58,920
Speaker 1: of the building fast enough. And I don't know if

802
00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:01,160
Speaker 1: that was the case other places, but he did. There

803
00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:03,120
Speaker 1: were some people that are like, dude, I just I'm

804
00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:07,000
Speaker 1: not in jail, and and I would have I thought,

805
00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:09,680
Speaker 1: you know, look, anybody can be humbled. You have to

806
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:13,160
Speaker 1: go back to college, you know, if you have perspective,

807
00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:15,200
Speaker 1: and it's hard when you're in college to go like, hey,

808
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:18,840
Speaker 1: my my coach got fired and we were told like

809
00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:20,560
Speaker 1: look U c l A. One of the reasons they

810
00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:23,239
Speaker 1: were bad was they didn't have a point guard and

811
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:26,279
Speaker 1: he was their point guard, right so, but but I

812
00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:29,520
Speaker 1: do kind of agree. I'm actually gonna agree with you here.

813
00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:32,200
Speaker 1: I don't think he'll ever be a starter. Uh he might.

814
00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:35,319
Speaker 1: I could be wrong, but I think if put in

815
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:41,439
Speaker 1: the right set of circumstances where he's got to buy

816
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:44,719
Speaker 1: in defensively, and then he just and then he just

817
00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:47,719
Speaker 1: has to get into the mindset of like I'm just

818
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:50,440
Speaker 1: gonna come in and change the pace of a game,

819
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:55,239
Speaker 1: and and whether it's you know, whether the there's a

820
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:57,760
Speaker 1: Patty Mills and I don't. Again, he's not as skilled

821
00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:01,360
Speaker 1: as Patty was coming out, but he also didn't shoot

822
00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:03,680
Speaker 1: it like that. But he he has a he has

823
00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:08,200
Speaker 1: a Russell Westbrook type of athleticism, Like he has ridiculously athletic.

824
00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:12,200
Speaker 1: He could be an outstanding defender. Um, he can pass,

825
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:15,880
Speaker 1: but he's not a passer. He can score, he can shoot,

826
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:17,800
Speaker 1: but he's not a shooter. I mean, I think it

827
00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:22,880
Speaker 1: just comes down to can he deal with less touches,

828
00:48:23,160 --> 00:48:29,160
Speaker 1: less minutes, higher level account of of competition and be

829
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:32,359
Speaker 1: and be more efficient. If he does so, I think

830
00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:34,480
Speaker 1: he could be an NBA player for a long time.

831
00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:39,239
Speaker 1: But the but but there there also is like, he's

832
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:41,839
Speaker 1: got to have been humbled by all right. Now he's

833
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:43,560
Speaker 1: going to the NBA Draft. He's probably gonna be a

834
00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:46,560
Speaker 1: second round pick. Does he understand that the league is

835
00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:50,040
Speaker 1: telling them him what his role has to be and

836
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:52,879
Speaker 1: does he buy into that because some everyone thinks, like, yeah,

837
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:54,359
Speaker 1: I could do that. If you just tell me I'm

838
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:56,399
Speaker 1: gonna play twenty minutes and I'm just gonna go get

839
00:48:56,400 --> 00:48:58,879
Speaker 1: buckets and defend my ass off, I could do that.

840
00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:00,840
Speaker 1: Then all of a sudden, you're sitting there for the

841
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:03,160
Speaker 1: first thirty minutes, and then you come in and you're

842
00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:06,279
Speaker 1: playing against better competition and you've got like But I

843
00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:08,640
Speaker 1: think the spacing of the NBA should help him. And

844
00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:10,920
Speaker 1: I think the fact that he doesn't have to truly

845
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:13,560
Speaker 1: be a leader because he's not a natural leader, I

846
00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:16,520
Speaker 1: think that could help him. I totally agree Doug. I

847
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:20,799
Speaker 1: think that the humbling situation that he had last year,

848
00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:24,000
Speaker 1: I think he came he came out better, and I

849
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:28,040
Speaker 1: think he's ready to embrace and kind of crawl his

850
00:49:28,120 --> 00:49:31,520
Speaker 1: way into the NBA. So I think he's prepared himself

851
00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:34,239
Speaker 1: mentally for that. And I think he's hungry and he

852
00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:37,560
Speaker 1: was a kid and like I said, he's he has

853
00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:41,360
Speaker 1: some dynamics about him that you can't teach. He has them. Speed,

854
00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:43,960
Speaker 1: he's a good plass or. He's great in transition and

855
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:47,080
Speaker 1: what I like about him, and he's terrific in passing lanes. So,

856
00:49:47,160 --> 00:49:49,880
Speaker 1: like you said, I think he can be a great

857
00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:53,640
Speaker 1: defensive point guard. He's I think he's better than Chris Dunn.

858
00:49:54,719 --> 00:49:58,960
Speaker 1: I think he's better than Chris Dunn and christ He

859
00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:02,520
Speaker 1: wasn't better than Chris Dunning college defensive not in college, no, no, no,

860
00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:04,360
Speaker 1: But I think he's I think he's I think and

861
00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:06,480
Speaker 1: this is no slight to Chris Dunn's. This is me

862
00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:10,759
Speaker 1: talking about how no, this is me talking about This

863
00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:12,640
Speaker 1: is me talking about how good I think jay En

864
00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:14,440
Speaker 1: Hands could be. I think he's a little better than

865
00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:17,319
Speaker 1: Chris Dunn. He's a little faster, he's a wet, he's

866
00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:20,800
Speaker 1: a better athlete. Um. I think Chris Dunn is obviously

867
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:22,360
Speaker 1: a better defender because he's been in the league. But

868
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:24,560
Speaker 1: I just think he's fits in that mode and Chris Dunn.

869
00:50:25,040 --> 00:50:27,280
Speaker 1: Guys were so high on him coming out of college,

870
00:50:27,560 --> 00:50:30,759
Speaker 1: No doubt guys were high. I wasn't high on Chris

871
00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:33,400
Speaker 1: Dunn coming out of college. I was like, oh, no,

872
00:50:34,560 --> 00:50:38,400
Speaker 1: I was only from the perspective of I did. I

873
00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:43,920
Speaker 1: do think the defending at the point guard position. Like

874
00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:47,000
Speaker 1: it's just it's you have to be so good to

875
00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:52,000
Speaker 1: be hidden nowadays, right, And he didn't have to be

876
00:50:52,120 --> 00:50:57,520
Speaker 1: hidden length and and and he we hadn't necessarily seen

877
00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:00,640
Speaker 1: the peak of Chris Dunn because of the shoulder, the

878
00:51:00,680 --> 00:51:05,319
Speaker 1: repeated shoulder injuries early on. You know. Um, but you're right,

879
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:08,520
Speaker 1: Like I I was higher on him then I should

880
00:51:08,520 --> 00:51:12,160
Speaker 1: have been, and I wasn't. Yeah, well, don't you nailed

881
00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:14,719
Speaker 1: that one. Yeah, I wasn't. I liked him, but I

882
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:16,759
Speaker 1: was like I didn't like I didn't like the top team.

883
00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:18,640
Speaker 1: And I'm like, no, I see him like late twenties.

884
00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:21,360
Speaker 1: But everybody was like, oh, he's a lottery pick. I'm like,

885
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:23,480
Speaker 1: I don't see. I watched the tape. It just didn't jump.

886
00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:26,759
Speaker 1: But I think Jalen Hands. I think Jalen Hands is

887
00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:30,160
Speaker 1: a little better than Chris Dunn. And Chris Dunn was

888
00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:33,919
Speaker 1: a lottery pick. That's just that's just what I see. Yeah,

889
00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:36,319
Speaker 1: I'm I'm gonna disagree with you there, but you know,

890
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:39,000
Speaker 1: I think I think Hands and like, look, I'm a

891
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:41,120
Speaker 1: West Coast guy. So the last thing I'm gonna do

892
00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:45,080
Speaker 1: is tell you say, kids from San Diego, you know lack,

893
00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:48,960
Speaker 1: But there there was, there was an intangible of leadership

894
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:54,719
Speaker 1: and toughness and and lack of a lack of ability

895
00:51:54,760 --> 00:51:58,040
Speaker 1: to allow your team to lose. Whereas like everybody points

896
00:51:58,040 --> 00:52:01,880
Speaker 1: to the the photo the deo of Jaalen hands like

897
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:07,360
Speaker 1: picking who is Moses Brown's chin up now? But like

898
00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:12,560
Speaker 1: like that's one moment, right, like they they they lost

899
00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:15,239
Speaker 1: so many games that they should have and and did

900
00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:18,239
Speaker 1: not a good chain though Doug wasn't a good cheam,

901
00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:21,759
Speaker 1: wasn't well coached. The locker room was a mess, But

902
00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:26,080
Speaker 1: none of that falls on like would you allow your

903
00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:30,200
Speaker 1: team locker room to fall apart? No? No, okay, no,

904
00:52:30,560 --> 00:52:32,640
Speaker 1: I wouldn't know. But I don't think that we're gonna

905
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:35,960
Speaker 1: we we should give all hands. I just think, no

906
00:52:36,080 --> 00:52:39,160
Speaker 1: question and listen. And that's it's it's really important that

907
00:52:39,200 --> 00:52:41,120
Speaker 1: you point that out. It's a really good point. I'm

908
00:52:41,120 --> 00:52:43,440
Speaker 1: not putting everything, but there's a but I'm also not

909
00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:46,920
Speaker 1: gonna put nothing on jail and hands right when when

910
00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:49,040
Speaker 1: when you go when I'm in Vegas and I'm watching them,

911
00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:53,320
Speaker 1: playing like, man, what is missing with this team? And

912
00:52:53,840 --> 00:52:56,200
Speaker 1: every text and every scout's like, hang on a point

913
00:52:56,239 --> 00:52:57,759
Speaker 1: guard and I'm like, well, the guy bringing the ball

914
00:52:57,880 --> 00:53:00,479
Speaker 1: to court supposedly an NBA prospect and he's the point guard.

915
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:02,200
Speaker 1: Like now they got a point guard. They don't have

916
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:07,200
Speaker 1: leadership and and you know they had clearly tuned Alfred out.

917
00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:10,600
Speaker 1: Well that's that. You know, somebody's got to be the

918
00:53:10,600 --> 00:53:12,880
Speaker 1: alpha in the room that says like, hey, fellas, like

919
00:53:13,360 --> 00:53:16,319
Speaker 1: this is and it it never it never really turned.

920
00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:18,400
Speaker 1: I would agree with you. Wasn't a good team collection

921
00:53:18,440 --> 00:53:21,080
Speaker 1: of parts of all guys that thought they were NBA players,

922
00:53:21,480 --> 00:53:24,400
Speaker 1: and he's probably the only guy that gets drafted correct.

923
00:53:24,520 --> 00:53:27,880
Speaker 1: It was just a bad mix of players and it

924
00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:32,840
Speaker 1: was it wasn't a good knicks No. No, he's a quarterback,

925
00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:36,080
Speaker 1: so he's got to put his face. He gets to

926
00:53:36,160 --> 00:53:39,040
Speaker 1: get to throw darts at his face. The last thing,

927
00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:43,720
Speaker 1: last thing. R J Hampton, who um super skilled again

928
00:53:43,840 --> 00:53:46,200
Speaker 1: kind of in the and I'm not going to compare

929
00:53:46,280 --> 00:53:48,880
Speaker 1: him to r J. Barrett in terms of his body

930
00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:51,600
Speaker 1: and his but it's the idea that's how he plays

931
00:53:51,840 --> 00:53:54,040
Speaker 1: is the same way r J. Barrett played. Coming up

932
00:53:54,040 --> 00:53:58,520
Speaker 1: with ball in his hands, dominant ball handler. Um, what

933
00:53:58,560 --> 00:54:05,040
Speaker 1: do you think of the decision to go to New Zealand. Um, Well,

934
00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:08,239
Speaker 1: from the standpoint of and I played in Australia, So

935
00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:13,279
Speaker 1: I mean, it's to go to a country where they

936
00:54:13,280 --> 00:54:17,000
Speaker 1: speak English, They're gonna pay you good money, the season

937
00:54:17,080 --> 00:54:21,400
Speaker 1: is short, the weather is nice. I think that, you know,

938
00:54:21,480 --> 00:54:24,040
Speaker 1: it's a no brainer in that regard. I think the

939
00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:26,920
Speaker 1: I think he'll play well there, and I think that

940
00:54:27,719 --> 00:54:30,879
Speaker 1: it won't be as strength from his body. Um, they

941
00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:33,440
Speaker 1: won't practice up like three like for three hours a day.

942
00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:37,440
Speaker 1: So I think that's a great decision on his part. Um,

943
00:54:37,600 --> 00:54:40,040
Speaker 1: the key is a top ten player. I don't think

944
00:54:40,040 --> 00:54:42,480
Speaker 1: he really wanted to do the n c a A obviously,

945
00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:45,960
Speaker 1: for whatever reasons he had. And uh, I just think

946
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:48,719
Speaker 1: that that's just another avenue. I think he's exercising his

947
00:54:48,840 --> 00:54:50,600
Speaker 1: right at the end of the day. That's how I

948
00:54:50,640 --> 00:54:54,000
Speaker 1: look at it. No, no, I want nobody's disputing his Actually, Um,

949
00:54:54,440 --> 00:54:56,000
Speaker 1: I just from let's let's just take it from a

950
00:54:56,000 --> 00:54:58,920
Speaker 1: basketball and lifestyle perspective, Like I love the idea of

951
00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:03,000
Speaker 1: New Zealand. Sounds like a great culture. Um, and I

952
00:55:03,080 --> 00:55:05,759
Speaker 1: do like the idea of playing against older guys, and

953
00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:08,480
Speaker 1: when no one's willing to say is like, look, he

954
00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:11,840
Speaker 1: couldn't go to Spain or Italy or Turkey or Russia

955
00:55:11,920 --> 00:55:14,040
Speaker 1: because those teams wouldn't play him. They want to win,

956
00:55:14,120 --> 00:55:15,920
Speaker 1: and you're not gonna win with an eighteen year old kid.

957
00:55:16,680 --> 00:55:19,239
Speaker 1: So this is a level of competition which is low enough,

958
00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:22,840
Speaker 1: and a team that's not competing for a championship where

959
00:55:23,160 --> 00:55:25,200
Speaker 1: he's gonna like, he's only gonna go there if he's

960
00:55:25,239 --> 00:55:27,600
Speaker 1: promised he's gonna play thirty minutes a game, which is

961
00:55:27,680 --> 00:55:32,080
Speaker 1: great play against older guys. Um, my issue with it,

962
00:55:32,200 --> 00:55:35,840
Speaker 1: my my view is it is like I just don't

963
00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:40,600
Speaker 1: see how that absolutely prepares you better for the NBA.

964
00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:45,920
Speaker 1: And in addition to which like like like he was

965
00:55:46,040 --> 00:55:50,160
Speaker 1: say he went to Kansas, Okay, and we operate in this.

966
00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:53,800
Speaker 1: I think I think some of the media operates. Huh,

967
00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:56,879
Speaker 1: I said, you're another school, but yeah, why why he's

968
00:55:56,880 --> 00:56:00,880
Speaker 1: another school? Well, Kansas? I just think that that should

969
00:56:00,440 --> 00:56:04,120
Speaker 1: they struggled with shooting guards. Quentin Grimes is already transferring

970
00:56:04,120 --> 00:56:05,399
Speaker 1: out of there. He's supposed to be a top team

971
00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:07,799
Speaker 1: and pick a year ago, but Quint Glass isn't any

972
00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:10,719
Speaker 1: good They don't struggle with shooting guards. They struggle with

973
00:56:10,760 --> 00:56:12,560
Speaker 1: guys that aren't that good. He just wasn't that good.

974
00:56:13,640 --> 00:56:16,000
Speaker 1: That's all grimes like. If you ask those guys who

975
00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:20,239
Speaker 1: be like, well he he he just wasn't that good.

976
00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:25,560
Speaker 1: They never like there was the um uh Baji was

977
00:56:25,560 --> 00:56:27,319
Speaker 1: was supposed to red shirt, he's a shooting guard. He

978
00:56:27,400 --> 00:56:29,880
Speaker 1: was fine. He was just better. He just worked it

979
00:56:30,040 --> 00:56:32,120
Speaker 1: was better and was tougher and was smarter and beat

980
00:56:32,160 --> 00:56:35,640
Speaker 1: him out. That's really what happened. Yeah, how about it.

981
00:56:35,719 --> 00:56:37,719
Speaker 1: You not that good and if you're not that good

982
00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:40,120
Speaker 1: in your heart, don't go to Kansas. That's what Okay,

983
00:56:40,160 --> 00:56:42,600
Speaker 1: I got you. But but but my, the we we

984
00:56:42,680 --> 00:56:44,719
Speaker 1: operate in this this world like not you and I,

985
00:56:44,960 --> 00:56:49,560
Speaker 1: but media, social media and fans especially where they're like,

986
00:56:49,960 --> 00:56:52,319
Speaker 1: well the coaches and I do agree that coaches should

987
00:56:52,360 --> 00:56:54,719
Speaker 1: get more time around their guys. Okay, but if you've

988
00:56:54,719 --> 00:56:56,400
Speaker 1: ever been to Kansas, I want you to think about this.

989
00:56:57,040 --> 00:57:00,800
Speaker 1: They have a dorm right next to their gym. Okay,

990
00:57:01,160 --> 00:57:04,560
Speaker 1: and the dorm has a three quarter court basketball court

991
00:57:04,719 --> 00:57:08,719
Speaker 1: in it, so there is literally not a moment the

992
00:57:08,800 --> 00:57:11,440
Speaker 1: day you can't go get shots. They have a chef

993
00:57:11,719 --> 00:57:13,439
Speaker 1: in the door. They have a chef in the dorm.

994
00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:18,000
Speaker 1: When the hungry call him up. Let's see. Okay, they

995
00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:20,520
Speaker 1: can walk over, they can walk over. And then they

996
00:57:20,520 --> 00:57:22,800
Speaker 1: have a practic facility which is as good as any

997
00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:26,280
Speaker 1: any NBA practicability. They have a strength coach and she's

998
00:57:26,280 --> 00:57:28,800
Speaker 1: as good as anybody who does it. Look at the

999
00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:31,439
Speaker 1: bodies that they've produced, you know, the improvement of guys

1000
00:57:31,440 --> 00:57:33,480
Speaker 1: have gone there. And then you get a chance to

1001
00:57:33,480 --> 00:57:35,360
Speaker 1: play for a guy that's gonna make you better, gonna

1002
00:57:35,400 --> 00:57:37,080
Speaker 1: make you tougher. And oh yeah, by the way, he

1003
00:57:37,160 --> 00:57:39,480
Speaker 1: lets dudes, he lets dudes play like he's not a

1004
00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:42,640
Speaker 1: he's not right, he doesn't they don't try and go

1005
00:57:42,680 --> 00:57:47,000
Speaker 1: get you know, blood out of a rock. And you

1006
00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:49,320
Speaker 1: get a chance. And then there's the ancillary benefits of

1007
00:57:49,360 --> 00:57:51,680
Speaker 1: being a part of one of the great basketball cultures

1008
00:57:51,720 --> 00:57:58,480
Speaker 1: and histories and traditions and playing how is playing thirty

1009
00:57:58,520 --> 00:58:04,320
Speaker 1: games right? Okay, maybe forty games against men, but missing

1010
00:58:04,320 --> 00:58:09,720
Speaker 1: out on the training aspect um? How in your opinion,

1011
00:58:09,800 --> 00:58:12,840
Speaker 1: Like if it's your son, what do you think is better?

1012
00:58:12,920 --> 00:58:14,400
Speaker 1: And look, you can even point out, if you want

1013
00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:18,120
Speaker 1: to point out that Kansas hasn't developed shooting guards from

1014
00:58:18,160 --> 00:58:26,280
Speaker 1: your perspective, that's fine. Um ben um what's uh? Ben McLamore. Right, Yeah,

1015
00:58:26,520 --> 00:58:29,040
Speaker 1: he hasn't had a good NBA career, but it wasn't

1016
00:58:29,080 --> 00:58:31,280
Speaker 1: like going to Kansas heard his draft stock. But okay,

1017
00:58:31,880 --> 00:58:35,880
Speaker 1: um So, even if you hold that, if you have

1018
00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:40,200
Speaker 1: a son, what's a better what's a what's a better option?

1019
00:58:40,280 --> 00:58:44,720
Speaker 1: In your opinion, I'm probably would send my son to college.

1020
00:58:45,200 --> 00:58:48,400
Speaker 1: I'm I'm I'm an n c A guy. Um, So

1021
00:58:48,480 --> 00:58:50,360
Speaker 1: I would send my son to college because I just

1022
00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:53,360
Speaker 1: think that there's things that outside of basketball that you

1023
00:58:53,480 --> 00:58:55,480
Speaker 1: get as a person in college that you can't get

1024
00:58:55,520 --> 00:59:00,480
Speaker 1: anywhere else. Um So, it's just it's just the overall

1025
00:59:00,880 --> 00:59:03,160
Speaker 1: let's just talk about I don't want to sound corny here,

1026
00:59:03,200 --> 00:59:05,960
Speaker 1: but this is real because I mean my oldest daughters

1027
00:59:06,040 --> 00:59:11,120
Speaker 1: going to college next year. Is I'm about education. So

1028
00:59:11,240 --> 00:59:13,080
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, you can't trade that

1029
00:59:13,320 --> 00:59:15,360
Speaker 1: education in for nothing. You have to be able to

1030
00:59:15,360 --> 00:59:17,720
Speaker 1: get your education. And I'm big on that. So I

1031
00:59:17,760 --> 00:59:20,000
Speaker 1: would send my son to school and say, look, man,

1032
00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:21,760
Speaker 1: you're gonna go even if you're one and done, you're

1033
00:59:21,760 --> 00:59:23,880
Speaker 1: gonna get this one year education. You're gonna take some

1034
00:59:23,920 --> 00:59:26,760
Speaker 1: good classes. And when you get drafted, you're still going

1035
00:59:26,840 --> 00:59:30,520
Speaker 1: to graduate college because you're always one play away from

1036
00:59:30,560 --> 00:59:35,800
Speaker 1: never playing again. So that's me the parents talking, you know.

1037
00:59:35,880 --> 00:59:38,680
Speaker 1: So there's also the it's interesting, you know, he said,

1038
00:59:39,320 --> 00:59:42,280
Speaker 1: He said, like my parents both have college degrees. His

1039
00:59:42,320 --> 00:59:45,920
Speaker 1: mom has an advance and and he's an education is

1040
00:59:45,920 --> 00:59:48,880
Speaker 1: important and I can always go back for that now,

1041
00:59:49,000 --> 00:59:51,959
Speaker 1: I would point out, and it's really important for people

1042
00:59:51,960 --> 00:59:54,560
Speaker 1: to understand, like in college you actually can go when

1043
00:59:54,880 --> 00:59:56,440
Speaker 1: you go that one and done route, you can go

1044
00:59:56,480 --> 00:59:59,800
Speaker 1: back any time you want, and you're on scholarship anytime

1045
00:59:59,840 --> 01:00:02,360
Speaker 1: you want, whereas do any on do any on your

1046
01:00:02,400 --> 01:00:06,320
Speaker 1: own is far far more difficult in terms of just

1047
01:00:06,320 --> 01:00:08,720
Speaker 1: getting into school and what you can do. But whatever.

1048
01:00:09,480 --> 01:00:11,560
Speaker 1: But I thought the other point parts that you're starting

1049
01:00:11,560 --> 01:00:15,080
Speaker 1: to point out, which are really like there is something too.

1050
01:00:15,720 --> 01:00:19,400
Speaker 1: You grow up in Dallas and you go to Lawrence, Kansas,

1051
01:00:19,480 --> 01:00:22,560
Speaker 1: and so you're in the States and you're away from home,

1052
01:00:23,320 --> 01:00:25,720
Speaker 1: but you're not you're not an adult yet. You have

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01:00:25,840 --> 01:00:29,000
Speaker 1: this you're around eighteen to twenty two year olds and

1054
01:00:29,040 --> 01:00:31,680
Speaker 1: like you kind of gotta figure out socially how to

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01:00:31,680 --> 01:00:37,439
Speaker 1: get along, right, And I just I I think that's

1056
01:00:37,520 --> 01:00:40,800
Speaker 1: better and healthier you do. It's not just like what

1057
01:00:40,960 --> 01:00:43,840
Speaker 1: you learning class per se may not prepare you for

1058
01:00:43,880 --> 01:00:48,520
Speaker 1: your NBA future. And maybe that's another step that colleges

1059
01:00:48,560 --> 01:00:50,720
Speaker 1: should take, is like, hey, should there be a pre

1060
01:00:50,920 --> 01:00:55,600
Speaker 1: professional degree where you can learn about you know, taxes

1061
01:00:55,680 --> 01:00:58,520
Speaker 1: and balancing your checkbook and investments and all the things

1062
01:00:58,520 --> 01:01:01,000
Speaker 1: that takes when you your based, give your you are

1063
01:01:01,120 --> 01:01:06,480
Speaker 1: your own llc um. But there there's the there there's

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01:01:06,520 --> 01:01:08,960
Speaker 1: a lot of education that goes on that's not inside

1065
01:01:08,960 --> 01:01:10,520
Speaker 1: of a book that you can only get when you're

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01:01:10,520 --> 01:01:13,640
Speaker 1: on a college campus. And anybody who's at college kind

1067
01:01:13,640 --> 01:01:16,440
Speaker 1: of knows this. And I actually think like the scholarship

1068
01:01:16,480 --> 01:01:20,200
Speaker 1: thing is kind of perfect because could you pay a

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01:01:20,280 --> 01:01:22,640
Speaker 1: kid more money? Like I guess you could, But what's

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01:01:22,720 --> 01:01:25,040
Speaker 1: what's the real what's the point? Like there's no if

1071
01:01:25,040 --> 01:01:26,920
Speaker 1: you give a kid five thousand dollars, he's gonna want ten.

1072
01:01:26,960 --> 01:01:28,880
Speaker 1: If you give a ten thousand, point like there's no.

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01:01:29,080 --> 01:01:31,400
Speaker 1: And the point is now they have enough they never

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01:01:31,480 --> 01:01:33,840
Speaker 1: have Like you go to Kansas, you get cost of attendance,

1075
01:01:33,880 --> 01:01:35,600
Speaker 1: you have money in your pocket. It's not think your

1076
01:01:35,600 --> 01:01:37,880
Speaker 1: parents don't have the ability to send you, send you,

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01:01:38,160 --> 01:01:39,960
Speaker 1: send you a hunter bucks or a couple hunter Like

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01:01:39,960 --> 01:01:43,120
Speaker 1: you're fine, Um, you get five six thousand dollars a

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01:01:43,160 --> 01:01:45,120
Speaker 1: year with the cost of attendance plus the scholarship you

1080
01:01:45,160 --> 01:01:48,240
Speaker 1: already get, right, and and you already well he wouldn't

1081
01:01:48,240 --> 01:01:50,720
Speaker 1: get a pell obviously, but anyway, the point is you

1082
01:01:50,760 --> 01:01:52,439
Speaker 1: have you got a little money pot, but you also

1083
01:01:52,560 --> 01:01:54,400
Speaker 1: have to learn to budget that, right, you have to

1084
01:01:54,480 --> 01:01:56,280
Speaker 1: learn like, all right, this is how much I got this,

1085
01:01:56,320 --> 01:01:58,520
Speaker 1: how long I have it? And I gotta figure out

1086
01:01:58,560 --> 01:02:00,680
Speaker 1: how do I how do I make this work? Like

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01:02:00,720 --> 01:02:03,160
Speaker 1: that's again another part of the education of being a

1088
01:02:03,160 --> 01:02:07,840
Speaker 1: way that we just like we just completely diminish and

1089
01:02:08,000 --> 01:02:12,040
Speaker 1: I disagree with it, even though I've I've seen so

1090
01:02:12,080 --> 01:02:14,520
Speaker 1: many and yes you are. It's not just your one

1091
01:02:14,560 --> 01:02:17,760
Speaker 1: play away, but like, all right, maybe he is a

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01:02:17,800 --> 01:02:22,160
Speaker 1: top ten pick and maybe he has a bunch of money,

1093
01:02:22,200 --> 01:02:24,040
Speaker 1: but he gets done playing and let's say he gets

1094
01:02:24,080 --> 01:02:26,120
Speaker 1: done playing it thirty years old. He doesn't have the

1095
01:02:26,200 --> 01:02:29,919
Speaker 1: NBA career he wanted we want to have, right, Yeah

1096
01:02:30,040 --> 01:02:33,320
Speaker 1: you got you got seventy more years to live and

1097
01:02:33,360 --> 01:02:37,480
Speaker 1: you skipped over part of your life. That's fun and

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01:02:37,560 --> 01:02:43,080
Speaker 1: also like an educational experience. Yeah, yeah, absolutely so, I mean,

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Speaker 1: there's there's different cases, but if it was me personally

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Speaker 1: with my son, like man, go to college, doing a year,

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01:02:49,240 --> 01:02:51,320
Speaker 1: get your education, it's going to be an experience that

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01:02:51,360 --> 01:02:55,240
Speaker 1: you're gonna love. Trust me that it's been there, you

1103
01:02:55,240 --> 01:02:57,320
Speaker 1: will love it. And then we'll we'll get to the

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Speaker 1: NBA when it's our turn. That will be my that

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01:02:59,800 --> 01:03:03,280
Speaker 1: will be mine. But I don't not r J's his

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01:03:03,440 --> 01:03:07,800
Speaker 1: family's decision. I support it because I kind of understand

1107
01:03:07,840 --> 01:03:12,120
Speaker 1: what they're doing. I understand both sides, and I wish

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01:03:12,200 --> 01:03:13,680
Speaker 1: nothing but the best for him. And I think he's

1109
01:03:13,720 --> 01:03:16,320
Speaker 1: gonna be terrific over there in Australia. They're gonna love him.

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01:03:16,320 --> 01:03:19,280
Speaker 1: In New Zealand. Look, I I would agree with you

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01:03:19,320 --> 01:03:21,680
Speaker 1: in terms of it. Seems like they put a lot

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01:03:21,720 --> 01:03:25,000
Speaker 1: of thought into it and to that part, and they

1113
01:03:25,080 --> 01:03:28,120
Speaker 1: understand the pitfalls of it. They understand that there's a

1114
01:03:28,120 --> 01:03:30,560
Speaker 1: reason they're doing it. I disagree with it, but my

1115
01:03:30,720 --> 01:03:33,480
Speaker 1: issue with it is like, dude, don't string schools along

1116
01:03:33,520 --> 01:03:36,840
Speaker 1: when you signed a contract a month ago. Like, no

1117
01:03:36,880 --> 01:03:39,080
Speaker 1: one's gonna like all these coaches every we we make

1118
01:03:39,160 --> 01:03:41,600
Speaker 1: them out like they're they're these unreasonable dudes, Like hey,

1119
01:03:41,640 --> 01:03:43,360
Speaker 1: you picked up the phone and called Penny or called

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Speaker 1: Bill self. When you sign the contract and go hey,

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01:03:45,280 --> 01:03:46,880
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do this. In New Zealand, they'd be like,

1122
01:03:47,600 --> 01:03:51,120
Speaker 1: good luck, onto the next guy. But when you you know,

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Speaker 1: when we have to hold a scholarship for you, you know,

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01:03:54,160 --> 01:03:58,160
Speaker 1: have campus visits, continue to recruit, you put in that

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01:03:58,240 --> 01:04:01,040
Speaker 1: time and effort. I don't don't think that's a And

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01:04:01,080 --> 01:04:03,560
Speaker 1: again I don't necessarily put it on him. That's more

1127
01:04:03,560 --> 01:04:05,520
Speaker 1: in his parents. Once you sign that contract, your parents

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01:04:05,560 --> 01:04:07,439
Speaker 1: need to go like, hey, pick up the phone, all

1129
01:04:07,440 --> 01:04:10,800
Speaker 1: those coaches thanking for what they've done and move on. Yeah.

1130
01:04:10,840 --> 01:04:12,520
Speaker 1: I think you win some and you lose something. I

1131
01:04:12,560 --> 01:04:15,960
Speaker 1: think yeah, on both sides. Hey man, I appreciate your time.

1132
01:04:16,120 --> 01:04:18,080
Speaker 1: You know, I love your work. And for people who

1133
01:04:18,120 --> 01:04:20,280
Speaker 1: want to follow you, For people who want to follow

1134
01:04:20,320 --> 01:04:22,760
Speaker 1: you and get more stuff from Rasha Phillips, how can

1135
01:04:22,760 --> 01:04:26,440
Speaker 1: they do so? You can reach me at on Twitter

1136
01:04:26,680 --> 01:04:30,840
Speaker 1: RP three natural, and you can subscribe to my YouTube

1137
01:04:30,880 --> 01:04:35,000
Speaker 1: channel which is sports Talk three nineteen, and you can

1138
01:04:35,040 --> 01:04:40,040
Speaker 1: find me on Instagram rashot Phillips. Nineteen is the number

1139
01:04:40,040 --> 01:04:43,040
Speaker 1: of points that he scored as a star at the

1140
01:04:43,120 --> 01:04:45,640
Speaker 1: University of Detroit. Mercy, Do I go Detroit? Mercy Do

1141
01:04:45,680 --> 01:04:50,960
Speaker 1: I go Detroit? Either either works? Either works. Hey man,

1142
01:04:51,080 --> 01:04:54,160
Speaker 1: love your time, Thanks for joining us. I appreciate your talk,

1143
01:04:54,200 --> 01:04:57,400
Speaker 1: so be sure to catch live edition. So the Doug

1144
01:04:57,400 --> 01:05:00,040
Speaker 1: Dot Leaps Show weekdays at noon eastern three p a

1145
01:05:00,120 --> 01:05:04,040
Speaker 1: Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the I Heart Radio app.

1146
01:05:05,720 --> 01:05:09,720
Speaker 1: That's Rashad Phillips and look to echo his thoughts. And

1147
01:05:09,720 --> 01:05:13,560
Speaker 1: we don't agree on every player obviously, but it's great

1148
01:05:13,640 --> 01:05:17,280
Speaker 1: for a guy who's so invested in the sport to

1149
01:05:17,400 --> 01:05:22,880
Speaker 1: discuss all the guys in the sport. Um. My lasting

1150
01:05:22,920 --> 01:05:27,400
Speaker 1: thoughts on the NBA Finals are this, I think Step

1151
01:05:27,520 --> 01:05:31,640
Speaker 1: is amazing. Um Obviously, if they don't have Clay and

1152
01:05:31,680 --> 01:05:34,480
Speaker 1: they don't have k D, they're not winning this series.

1153
01:05:35,280 --> 01:05:39,880
Speaker 1: It would be incredibly competitive to watch and and compelling

1154
01:05:39,920 --> 01:05:44,840
Speaker 1: to watch them. Um to to watch them compete, the

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01:05:44,840 --> 01:05:47,840
Speaker 1: two of them without k D. And remember like this

1156
01:05:47,960 --> 01:05:49,960
Speaker 1: a little bit like when they lost Andrew Bogett, going

1157
01:05:50,000 --> 01:05:52,560
Speaker 1: back to when they lost to the Calves was in

1158
01:05:52,560 --> 01:05:57,120
Speaker 1: two thousand sixteen, Like let's not underestimate losing your best

1159
01:05:57,160 --> 01:06:00,360
Speaker 1: rem protecting big guy who's coming into his own replacing

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01:06:00,400 --> 01:06:02,680
Speaker 1: him with DeMarcus Cousins, who I don't know if you

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01:06:02,720 --> 01:06:04,680
Speaker 1: ever be back to what he was, and I don't

1162
01:06:04,680 --> 01:06:07,440
Speaker 1: even know if what he was fits in what the

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01:06:07,480 --> 01:06:11,240
Speaker 1: Warriors are. But he's not even there yet, you know.

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01:06:11,560 --> 01:06:14,960
Speaker 1: And then you have a hobbled Andre Goodala the just

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01:06:15,000 --> 01:06:16,720
Speaker 1: the The question to me is can they break out

1166
01:06:16,720 --> 01:06:19,680
Speaker 1: the Ultimate Weapon? And can Katie come back? And can

1167
01:06:19,680 --> 01:06:23,240
Speaker 1: he play? If he plays, they win. If he doesn't, Oh,

1168
01:06:23,280 --> 01:06:26,760
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a dog fight. Um. And then you know,

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01:06:27,320 --> 01:06:30,080
Speaker 1: I thought the Raptors had to extend themselves a great

1170
01:06:30,080 --> 01:06:31,920
Speaker 1: deal in order to win that game, more so than

1171
01:06:31,920 --> 01:06:33,880
Speaker 1: they thought to win that game. But so too did

1172
01:06:33,880 --> 01:06:37,000
Speaker 1: Steph Curry, Like the Steph Curry when Katie comes back,

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01:06:37,320 --> 01:06:41,680
Speaker 1: is he out of gas? Because because to take on

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01:06:41,760 --> 01:06:47,080
Speaker 1: that burden for the last three games, uh, frankly the

1175
01:06:47,120 --> 01:06:49,880
Speaker 1: last seven games, but the last three games special and yesterday,

1176
01:06:49,880 --> 01:06:52,600
Speaker 1: to take on that burden a double team everywhere you go,

1177
01:06:53,080 --> 01:06:55,360
Speaker 1: getting bain, getting battered. And I know the game is

1178
01:06:55,360 --> 01:06:58,040
Speaker 1: not as physical as it used to be, but that's

1179
01:06:58,040 --> 01:07:02,240
Speaker 1: a that's a lot like yes to two echo Rashad's

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Speaker 1: points and I think it's more because of the three pointer,

1181
01:07:04,880 --> 01:07:07,560
Speaker 1: but his points do seem more devastating. You come down,

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01:07:07,560 --> 01:07:09,160
Speaker 1: you've got three guys on him, and he goes through

1183
01:07:09,160 --> 01:07:10,840
Speaker 1: his legs, behind his back and jumps up and makes

1184
01:07:10,840 --> 01:07:13,640
Speaker 1: a shot, and like you're like, oh God, what happened?

1185
01:07:14,160 --> 01:07:19,160
Speaker 1: What happened? Like all of that is great, but it

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01:07:19,480 --> 01:07:24,360
Speaker 1: also there's a there's a lot of energy expended by him,

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Speaker 1: and that energy can uh can can wear within like

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01:07:29,520 --> 01:07:31,760
Speaker 1: you can kind of run out of gas by doing

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Speaker 1: it because you had to put so much into it.

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Speaker 1: Um And then I also pointed out, and this is

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Speaker 1: kind of one of the lost discussions on analytics is

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01:07:40,280 --> 01:07:43,320
Speaker 1: that so oftentimes we take the effective field goal percentage

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Speaker 1: and we use that calculation and say, hey, look, if

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01:07:47,240 --> 01:07:49,920
Speaker 1: you make this number of threes, it actually drives up

1195
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Speaker 1: your field goal percentage, number of possessions for the other team.

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Speaker 1: On Carram long careen rebounds, you know, you come down

1197
01:07:57,640 --> 01:07:59,600
Speaker 1: and you go one on three, you jump up, you

1198
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Speaker 1: missed that three point shot, and the team gets it,

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Speaker 1: and because everybody else is hunting an offensive rebound, you

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01:08:05,960 --> 01:08:10,160
Speaker 1: give up an easy transition basket one there. You know,

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01:08:10,440 --> 01:08:12,720
Speaker 1: that's an easy shot for them. They don't expend a

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01:08:12,720 --> 01:08:16,280
Speaker 1: ton of energy, and there's a certain deflating aspect to

1203
01:08:16,439 --> 01:08:18,559
Speaker 1: it from your own team when your own star isn't

1204
01:08:18,600 --> 01:08:22,840
Speaker 1: hitting and he's casting up these big shots. So this

1205
01:08:22,920 --> 01:08:25,080
Speaker 1: is this is fun because it's almost it feels like

1206
01:08:25,120 --> 01:08:28,280
Speaker 1: it's going to be three different series in one. Right,

1207
01:08:28,280 --> 01:08:31,639
Speaker 1: there's the first part of the series and potentially Game

1208
01:08:31,680 --> 01:08:34,160
Speaker 1: four when you don't have KD but you have Clay

1209
01:08:34,200 --> 01:08:36,400
Speaker 1: and you have stuff. Then you have the stuff kind

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01:08:36,400 --> 01:08:39,040
Speaker 1: of trying to do it on his own, and then

1211
01:08:39,240 --> 01:08:43,200
Speaker 1: maybe you get all three back together for if not four, five, six,

1212
01:08:43,240 --> 01:08:49,680
Speaker 1: and potentially seven. You know, now it's you start to

1213
01:08:49,680 --> 01:08:51,640
Speaker 1: see kind of how it all with the reason that

1214
01:08:51,720 --> 01:08:56,400
Speaker 1: it's been relatively unbeatable. And then there's this last part

1215
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Speaker 1: of the discussion, and and this part I'm torn. Andre

1216
01:08:59,840 --> 01:09:02,320
Speaker 1: good Dolla, because he has played so well in so

1217
01:09:02,360 --> 01:09:05,280
Speaker 1: many big spots for the Warriors, has now entered this

1218
01:09:05,320 --> 01:09:07,559
Speaker 1: conversation of being a Hall of Famer. And we've always

1219
01:09:08,280 --> 01:09:12,599
Speaker 1: operated in the media under the idea that Draymond Green

1220
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Speaker 1: is a Hall of Famer, And I guess my question

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Speaker 1: is this, like, if you're really Hall of Famer, your

1222
01:09:18,280 --> 01:09:20,320
Speaker 1: Draymond Green, and what should be the athletic prime of

1223
01:09:20,360 --> 01:09:24,280
Speaker 1: your career and you don't have Clay and you don't

1224
01:09:24,320 --> 01:09:27,880
Speaker 1: have k D And we're told by some Hey, the

1225
01:09:27,920 --> 01:09:31,160
Speaker 1: reason he doesn't score as much is because those others

1226
01:09:31,200 --> 01:09:35,040
Speaker 1: that's not what he has to do on their team.

1227
01:09:35,080 --> 01:09:37,679
Speaker 1: But but you're You're still a guy that no one guards.

1228
01:09:37,760 --> 01:09:40,080
Speaker 1: You're still a guy that they dare to shoot. Right.

1229
01:09:40,720 --> 01:09:43,360
Speaker 1: So on one hand, I look at last night and

1230
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Speaker 1: I'm like, if their Hall of Famers, shouldn't they have

1231
01:09:46,240 --> 01:09:49,360
Speaker 1: more impact even with Andre Goodla banged up at this

1232
01:09:49,439 --> 01:09:52,720
Speaker 1: agent his career. On the other hand, would I rather

1233
01:09:52,760 --> 01:09:55,479
Speaker 1: have Andrea Dolla in my team or Tracian McGrady on

1234
01:09:55,479 --> 01:09:57,840
Speaker 1: my team? I'd rather have Andre Gadala. Would I rather

1235
01:09:57,880 --> 01:10:03,639
Speaker 1: have Draymond Green or uh? I mean, in many ways,

1236
01:10:03,680 --> 01:10:05,880
Speaker 1: I guess I'd rather have them than Reggie Miller, who

1237
01:10:05,920 --> 01:10:08,920
Speaker 1: made it was only third team on NBA once. So

1238
01:10:09,080 --> 01:10:11,320
Speaker 1: what would I rather? Who would I rather have? Because

1239
01:10:11,320 --> 01:10:15,040
Speaker 1: one guy feels like helps me win more and Draymond

1240
01:10:15,120 --> 01:10:19,559
Speaker 1: and Iguadala and even though another guy is a far

1241
01:10:19,720 --> 01:10:24,920
Speaker 1: more effective dominant score and Tracy McGrady but he never

1242
01:10:24,960 --> 01:10:26,760
Speaker 1: won and then get out of the first round of

1243
01:10:26,760 --> 01:10:29,280
Speaker 1: the playoffs and until he's with the Spurs, late whatever,

1244
01:10:29,320 --> 01:10:34,160
Speaker 1: that doesn't really count, or or Reggie Miller. That's a

1245
01:10:34,160 --> 01:10:38,040
Speaker 1: hard one, but I would I tend to believe that

1246
01:10:38,120 --> 01:10:41,080
Speaker 1: if you are, in fact a Hall of Famer and

1247
01:10:41,240 --> 01:10:44,599
Speaker 1: other guys go down and when called upon, you should

1248
01:10:44,600 --> 01:10:47,840
Speaker 1: be able to pick up the load. And last night

1249
01:10:48,000 --> 01:10:51,599
Speaker 1: was Game three, those two were incapable of picking up

1250
01:10:51,640 --> 01:10:54,800
Speaker 1: the load, and it was Steph versus the world. Right,

1251
01:10:57,720 --> 01:11:01,880
Speaker 1: So do I think they'll get in Draymond will get

1252
01:11:01,920 --> 01:11:05,719
Speaker 1: into the Hall of Fame? Uh iguadala feels like prisoner

1253
01:11:05,720 --> 01:11:07,800
Speaker 1: of the moment, Right, we're gonna and I know that

1254
01:11:07,840 --> 01:11:09,639
Speaker 1: he was in. I think he was an All Star

1255
01:11:09,760 --> 01:11:12,680
Speaker 1: once when he was with Philadelphia. But like the point is,

1256
01:11:12,760 --> 01:11:14,599
Speaker 1: like when he was with Philadelphia, they're basically a five

1257
01:11:14,880 --> 01:11:16,920
Speaker 1: D team, when he scored all those points. As he

1258
01:11:17,000 --> 01:11:20,200
Speaker 1: evolved in his career and became more of a Swiss

1259
01:11:20,240 --> 01:11:23,760
Speaker 1: Army knife, now he was a lot more effective on

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Speaker 1: I think he's brilliant. I think he's incredibly competitive. He

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Speaker 1: why they've won championships, but that doesn't necessarily what's the

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Speaker 1: more and a lot of money, but Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 1: I I thought that was held for, you know, the

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Speaker 1: year period you got in, he know, and over the

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Speaker 1: lifetime of your career. If you're a perennial All Star,

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Speaker 1: always in that discussion of one of the best players

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Speaker 1: in your position in the sport. That's the way you

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Speaker 1: get in. Listen. You can listen to The Doug Gottlieb

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Speaker 1: Show every day three or six e from time twelve

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Speaker 1: and three Pacific. You can download the podcast as well

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Speaker 1: wherever you download this podcast. In the meantime, I appreciate

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Speaker 1: you listening. I hope you enjoyed the prep for the

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Speaker 1: NBA Draft, the discussion on the NBA Finals. Keep it

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Speaker 1: tuned right here for the next edition of All Ball.

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Speaker 1: I'm Doug Gobler.