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Speaker 1: It's Sunday, March twenty second, twenty twenty six. Welcome to

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Speaker 1: Real America's Voice News. This is Sunday the road forward.

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Speaker 1: Three weeks into Operation Epic Fury, and the military campaign

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Speaker 1: has been a tremendous success for the United States, striking

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Speaker 1: well over seven thousand military targets and decimating the Iranian Navy.

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Speaker 1: But a new challenge emerges in the Strait of Hormuz.

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Speaker 1: This is not the biggest test for the American military,

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Speaker 1: but it is a test for America's allies to see

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Speaker 1: whether or not they will protect their own economic interests

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Speaker 1: in the region rather than benefiting from the United States

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Speaker 1: and Israel for the security and safe transport of twenty

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Speaker 1: percent of the world's petroleum. The Strait of Hormuz is

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Speaker 1: a critical choke point for shipping and energy exports, where

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Speaker 1: European and Asian nations all rely on the same energy

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Speaker 1: from that region, but have so far done nothing to

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Speaker 1: protect their own economic interest or to secure the strait.

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Speaker 1: Something to pray for this Sunday morning, as we approach

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Speaker 1: Easter in less than two weeks. Our scripture reading comes

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Speaker 1: from Isaiah fifty three, verse five, which says, but he

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Speaker 1: was pierced for our transgressions. He was crushed for our iniquities.

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Speaker 1: The punishment that brought us peace was on him, and

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Speaker 1: by his wounds we are healed. That is, of course,

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Speaker 1: referring to Jesus Christ eight hundred years before his crucifixion.

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Speaker 1: As always, we want to be an encouragement to our

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Speaker 1: listeners to hold fast to the Word of God in

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Speaker 1: these uncertain times. I'm Ryan Helfenbein. I'll be filling in

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Speaker 1: for doctor Tim Clinton today.

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Speaker 2: For more encouragement and to stay connected, follow doctor Tim

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Speaker 2: Clinton on Facebook, Instagram, and X. We love being a

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Speaker 2: part of your life.

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Speaker 1: Joining us now is Heidi Saint John. She is a

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Speaker 1: best selling author, podcaster, speaker, mom to seven children and

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Speaker 1: many grandchildren. She's a strong and fearless voice for the

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Speaker 1: family and righteousness in our culture. Hei, do you thank

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Speaker 1: you for joining Sunday the Road Forward. Great to see

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Speaker 1: you again.

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Speaker 3: Hey, it's good to be with you.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for having me well. You are familiar with many

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Speaker 1: many things that are going on, not only in the

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Speaker 1: church but in the culture at large and a broad

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Speaker 1: breaking story this week it went viral. It went all

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Speaker 1: around the world, certainly on social media. And that was

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Speaker 1: a resignation of Joe Kent. Not a quiet resignation, mind you,

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Speaker 1: but one that included a letter, a letter in protest

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Speaker 1: over actions in Operation Epic Fury. He resigns in protest.

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Speaker 1: Many many people lotting praise on his military service record.

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Speaker 1: He is a veteran combat veteran, served multiple tours, had

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Speaker 1: a wife killed in action, Green beret. Tell us, give

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Speaker 1: us some background on his story. What is going on here?

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Speaker 3: Well, first of I think it's really important to say,

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Speaker 3: and everybody is saying it, I thank you for his

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Speaker 3: service to our country. That said, when a person serves

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Speaker 3: our country in any branch of the military, it does

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Speaker 3: not make them impervious to criticism. It does not mean

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Speaker 3: that they are a good and moral person just because

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Speaker 3: they serve in the military. And I think it's really

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Speaker 3: important to say that out front. He has a very

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Speaker 3: compelling story. His story is a huge reason why President

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Speaker 3: Trump gave him the honor of making him the rector

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Speaker 3: He got that job because of his story, full stop.

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Speaker 3: I know Joe Kent because I ran against him in

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty two for a seat in Washington State's third

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Speaker 3: out to me and said, hey, I heard that you're

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Speaker 3: And I was like, sure, no problem. So we met

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Speaker 3: for coffee. I was instantly charmed. He's a charmer. He

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Speaker 4: Right?

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Speaker 3: He bought me coffee. He said, I'm thinking about running

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Speaker 3: all kinds of questions. How long have you been a Republican?

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Speaker 3: He said, I've been a lifelong I'm a lifelong Republican.

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Speaker 3: I'm a lifelong conservative, he said. He gave me a story,

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Speaker 3: amazing story. I really appreciate it. And I was actually

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Speaker 3: at that point, very early in twenty twenty, thinking about

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Speaker 3: guy can do it. I've got, you know, a full

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Speaker 3: staunch conservative. He was talking about tax raising our taxes

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Speaker 3: like socialist viewpoints in a lot of ways. His viewpoints

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Speaker 3: why is this guy? Is he really a conservative?

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Speaker 4: Me?

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Speaker 3: Yet I stood on a stage with him in front

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Speaker 3: of lots and lots of people when someone said to him,

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Speaker 3: tell me about your voting record, and he said, repeatedly,

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Speaker 3: I'm a lifelong conservative. Well go forward a few months

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Speaker 3: we find out he's not a lifelong conservative. Who's actually

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Speaker 3: a registered Democrat in Portland, Oregon, which is why no

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Speaker 3: one in Washington States third congressional district had ever heard

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Speaker 3: of him or knew him. He wasn't from Washington State.

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Speaker 3: That was red flag number one. Red flag number two

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Speaker 3: was that he was telling people he was a lifeline conservative,

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Speaker 3: which is a bold based lie. He was not a

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Speaker 3: lifelong conservative. He was a registered Democrat who voted for

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Speaker 3: all kinds of alarms. Why would this guy vote for

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Speaker 3: Bernie Sanders. He's clearly not a Republican, which explains a

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Speaker 3: was saying the right things when it came to foreign policy,

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Speaker 3: which by the way, he's now backpedaled on because he

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Speaker 3: learning the hard way. So when the Cant campaign discovered

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Speaker 3: that his voting record had been outed, they created a

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Speaker 3: which I'm sorry, Ryan, what true dedicated conservative do you

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Speaker 3: somebody as wildly evil as Hillary Clinton or as completely

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Speaker 3: the other guy. The narrative was garbage. And the more

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Speaker 3: I found out about this guy, the more I realized, Okay,

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Speaker 3: he's not telling the truth. I began to try and

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Speaker 3: warn the voters in Washington State. This guy, he's not

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Speaker 3: of his heart breaking story, and it is a heartbreaking story,

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Speaker 3: and the loss of his wife, Shannon, in the service

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Speaker 3: This is what happens when we do not vet our candidates.

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Speaker 3: Can you imagine for just a moment the damage he's

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Speaker 3: doing to President Trump right now is incalculable, But can

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Speaker 3: you imagine the damage he'd be doing to the American

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Speaker 3: people had we given him a seat in Congress? Would

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Speaker 3: he be voting with the Republicans. Would he be voting

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Speaker 3: who sent him there. President Trump made Joe Kent by

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Speaker 3: endorsing him in his run for Congress, not once, but twice.

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Speaker 3: He endorsed him. In the first run, I lost to

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Speaker 3: And so out of respect, I think, in kindness and

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Speaker 3: in respect for his service, because President Trump really does

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Speaker 3: have a big heart and he does love our military.

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Speaker 3: He gave Joe Kent the incredible honor of promoting him

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Speaker 3: Center for Counter Terrorism. And while we are being attacked

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Speaker 3: on American soil by terrorists, Joe Kent was plotting against

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Speaker 3: the President and planning to leave in the most spectacular

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Speaker 3: would have quietly resigned. He would have said to the President, listen,

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Speaker 3: I can't do the job. Which he can't do the job.

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Speaker 3: He's weighing over his skis. But whatever, he leaves in

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Speaker 3: out the door. Shame on Joe Kent. It's embarrassing, it's shameful,

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Speaker 3: and I hope the people of Washington State and around

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Speaker 3: the United States who supported him are finally waken up.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 1: I think it's important to point out this is a

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Speaker 1: great analysis everything that you have said. I don't know

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Speaker 1: anyone else that is really tackling this story the way

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Speaker 1: you are right now. And I think it's important for

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Speaker 1: people to understand the vast majority of men and women

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Speaker 1: who serve this country in uniform. They serve honorably, with distinction.

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Speaker 3: We're so bad they love the country, Yes.

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Speaker 1: They love the country, but there are we know, this

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Speaker 1: would not be the first time that people have hidden

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Speaker 1: exact thing that they hide behind that, and I would

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Speaker 1: say this is not unique. You know, in the church,

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Speaker 1: not unique to suddenly use that as some kind of

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Speaker 1: really important for people to understand, and we shouldn't grimace

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Speaker 1: at the fact that that, in this case, it seems

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Speaker 1: as though that's what he's done. I think that's important.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's sad, but the reality is that there are

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Speaker 3: bad actors in every sphere of influence. We grimace every

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Speaker 3: can't touch that. We're not allowed to touch it. We

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Speaker 3: got to stop doing that because it's hurting us and

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Speaker 3: so and so. You know, we've said repeatedly. I meant

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Speaker 3: you should read the comments online, people saying to me,

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Speaker 3: you can't touch Joe Kent. His wife died. How would

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Speaker 3: you feel after twelve tours in Iraq or eleven tours

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Speaker 3: or whatever it was. Listen, that's not the point. That

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Speaker 3: the president of the United States who honored him with

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Speaker 3: a position that he did not earn and did not deserve,

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Speaker 3: thank you for endorsing me twice as I ran for

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Speaker 1: Joining us now is Samuel Rodriguez. He is the president

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Speaker 1: Great to see you.

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Speaker 1: Well, you are out there preaching the gospel, your disciple,

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Speaker 4: The finished work of Christ, my friend, this terminology, this

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Speaker 1: Okay, Sunday morning, somebody could be watching right now. I'm

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Speaker 4: is the Way. It's John fourteen six Christ that I

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Speaker 4: real simple. If you confess and believe, not in some

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Speaker 4: Listen, I am not a conspiracy theorist at all. I

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Speaker 4: I'm not a conspiracy theorist at all. However, this, my friend,

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Speaker 4: Let me use a strong seminary phrase to express it.

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Speaker 4: We talked about this again. I love what you stated.

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Speaker 4: It's not about blank endorsement of policies coming from Israel

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Speaker 4: It's about our commitment. And by the way, it extends

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Speaker 1: The Biblical Israel of Promise is inside of the modern state,

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Speaker 1: By God's grace that there hasn't been many casualties of war,

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Speaker 1: but there have been American lives that have been lost.

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Speaker 1: We are so thankful for their sacrifice. But it looks

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Speaker 1: as though it is an overwhelming showing of military success

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Speaker 1: right now in this phase we're looking the president is

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Speaker 1: looking for international buy in. But what from your perspective

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Speaker 1: as a pastor, Some are questioning, should we have gone in?

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Speaker 1: Did we have to go in? Was this ness? We've

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Speaker 1: been at war with Iran since nineteen seventy nine.

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Speaker 4: Right, So I digress for a moment. Here I referenced

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Speaker 4: Thomas and Keenness, but I referenced Santa Agustine. Let's talk

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Speaker 4: about justified war. It is that theological premise laid out

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Speaker 4: by these great scholars throughout the course of Christianity, of

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Speaker 4: its war justified. And the answer was on it. Yes,

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Speaker 4: it is with specific conditions. If you are threatened, if

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Speaker 4: your family is threatened, if your children and your children's

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Speaker 4: children are threatened, then you have the biblically substantiated right.

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Speaker 4: According to this great theologian translated scripture from Genesis to

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Speaker 4: Revelation and said, absolutely absolutely, is this justifiable? Forty seven years?

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Speaker 4: You reference at nineteen seventy ninety forty seven years of

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Speaker 4: Iran doing what of bombing embassies, of bombing the USS coal,

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Speaker 4: the world. Not just that, but engaging their proxies in

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Speaker 4: what funding terrorist attacks? Not just in the US again,

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Speaker 4: but around the world. So Irandy cleared a war on

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Speaker 4: us in nineteen seventy nine the moment he took over

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Speaker 4: the embassy and Jimmy Carter, as you will know, attempted

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Speaker 4: is history. So it's a forty seven year war, and

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Speaker 4: finally we have a president that has a wherewithal the fortitude,

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Speaker 4: the acumen, the courage to say this ends here. So

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Speaker 4: is it justifiable. Yeah, They've come after us for forty

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Speaker 4: seven years. It's been justifiable for forty seven years. So

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Speaker 4: I am glad that President Trump had the courage to

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Speaker 4: actually work with Benjamin Attanyahu to initiate this and hopefully

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Speaker 4: and propectly it will end soon.

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I couldn't agree more. So we have a common kinship.

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Speaker 1: We love Jesus and we're also fellow trekis So Sammy

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Speaker 1: Rodriguez Pastor, thank you so much for joining Sunday the

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Speaker 1: Road Forward. Great to see you.

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Speaker 4: Thank you for having me.

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Speaker 2: For more encouragement and to stay connected. Follow doctor Tim

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Speaker 2: Clinton on Facebook, Instagram, and X. We love being a

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Speaker 2: part of your life.

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Speaker 1: Joining us now is Bishop Kelvin caberis currently serving as

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Speaker 1: lead pastor of New Life Church International in Plant City, Florida.

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Speaker 1: He is a member of the National Faith Advisory Board

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Speaker 1: and a strong voice on righteousness and culture. Bishop, thank

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Speaker 1: you for joining us. Great to see you, great Sea.

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Speaker 4: Thank you for having me.

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Speaker 1: Well you just recently, just a few weeks ago, you

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Speaker 1: were at the Oval Office, and I wanted just for

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Speaker 1: you to talk about what the time was like with

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Speaker 1: President Trump. I know you've been there many times, You've

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Speaker 1: had many conversations with our President, but just what that

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Speaker 1: experience was like. Whereas heart is right now? And I

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Speaker 1: think this is important too for our viewers. How can

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Speaker 1: we be praying for our president right now with all

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Speaker 1: the things that are going on in the world, especially

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Speaker 1: right now with Israel and Iran. How can we be

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Speaker 1: be prayerful and supportive as we watch these things unfold

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Speaker 1: in the drama of politics and leadership.

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Speaker 8: Well, I have been blessed in my lifetime to have

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Speaker 8: met three US presidents. But what makes this connection and

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Speaker 8: access to President Trump so unique and so blessed is

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Speaker 8: the fact that he invites the faith and has invited

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Speaker 8: the faith community and pastors in in a way that

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Speaker 8: he calls us his pastors. And what made this White

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Speaker 8: House visit so unique was the fact that he was

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Speaker 8: in the situation room. We're in the midst of a

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Speaker 8: Middle Eastern conflict, but yet when he walked into his office,

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Speaker 8: and we walked in the office and he saw us.

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Speaker 8: You can tell he felt a sigh of relief to

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Speaker 8: see that there were people, his leaders, his pastors, his

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Speaker 8: prayer warriors standing around him, that he could feel some

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Speaker 8: level of confidence and soulence that we were in that room.

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Speaker 8: And his response was a big smile, a bit welcome,

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Speaker 8: and he just went in and engaging us and one

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Speaker 8: by one listening to everything that we had to say

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Speaker 8: from God to speak to his heart and to encourage

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Speaker 8: him in that moment. And for that that was humbling

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Speaker 8: for me. But yet it was a great opportunity that

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Speaker 8: God gave as a god moment to be a voice

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Speaker 8: for Him to speak into the life of the most

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Speaker 8: powerful man.

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Speaker 4: In the world.

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Speaker 1: I'm looking at what's happening right now. You know, no

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Speaker 1: one is unaware of Operation Epic Fury United States and Israel.

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Speaker 1: Right now, it seems like we're kind of going this alone,

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Speaker 1: at least so far. Presidents talking to other nations, talking

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Speaker 1: to NATO, trying to get them mobilized and involved. But

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Speaker 1: right now, when it comes to support for Israel, you

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Speaker 1: do have that mighty evangelical voting block, but it seems

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Speaker 1: as though there are these disaffected types and even these

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Speaker 1: diabolical types that are scheming messages and ways to really

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Speaker 1: crack that unified movement. Over eighty seven percent of evangelicals

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Speaker 1: voted for this current president voted for his leadership, supporting

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Speaker 1: these policies, but also recognizing we have real threats in

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Speaker 1: the world, and that doesn't change whether it's in the

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Speaker 1: Western hemisphere or the Eastern hemisphere. And we recognize that

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Speaker 1: in proximity, these threats are much much closer than some

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Speaker 1: might recognize at first glance. Hesbola was being trained in Venezuela.

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Speaker 1: These are terrorist proxy networks that were being funded by Iran.

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Speaker 1: So Iran is not just there in the Middle East,

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Speaker 1: They're close to us. And some have even said, and

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Speaker 1: it's scary to think some sleeper cells might be here

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Speaker 1: in North America, might be here within the United States

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Speaker 1: that came under Joe Biden's watch when they had the

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Speaker 1: open borders scandal. But how do you view all of

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Speaker 1: this pastor you know, through the paradigm of scripture, but

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Speaker 1: also recognizing that we need to be politically wise and

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Speaker 1: we have had settled and understood for well over two

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Speaker 8: Well, first, as I look back in church history and

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Speaker 8: just understanding and knowing it, the Church has always had

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Speaker 8: conflicting historical context issues that come up that creates a

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Speaker 8: divide from taking us from the Universal Church to becoming

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Speaker 8: Protestants and Reformers, etc. However, I'm seeing the same today

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Speaker 8: that because of the propaganda we are allowing podcast and

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Speaker 8: voices of those who have no theological training are understanding

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Speaker 8: to dictate to us what we are to believe and

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Speaker 8: what we are to preach from our platforms. And unfortunately,

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Speaker 8: some of our evangelical voices are giving in to this foolery.

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Speaker 8: And I think it's that important is important today that

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Speaker 8: the real prophets, those who will preach the truth and

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Speaker 8: rightly divide it, stand up and highlight the fact that

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Speaker 8: the Israel of today is the Israel of the scripture.

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Speaker 8: There's no replacement theology that will dictate and tell us

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Speaker 8: that we to divide ourselves from Israel and not support

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Speaker 8: and pray and bless Israel. The word of God said,

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Speaker 8: if we bless it, God will bless us. If we

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Speaker 8: curse it, God will curse us. And that's what people

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Speaker 8: need to realize today, and I think that's important along

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Speaker 8: with that and having a political understanding and view of

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Speaker 4: If we look at.

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Speaker 8: Let's put theology aside, and let's look at the historical

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Speaker 8: context of the conflict that has always gone on in

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Speaker 8: the courage to stand up to Hamas, to stand up

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Speaker 8: to face this enemy, but many of them funded it

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Speaker 8: and help support it against the will of Americans. But

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Speaker 8: we have a president now that has emboded himself in

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Speaker 8: the courageous authority of God to stand up and say

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Speaker 8: enough is enough. We're not having it.

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Speaker 4: We're putting an end to this.

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Speaker 8: But I realize also that when you come against an

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Speaker 8: realize that there are enemies in America. That's what happened

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Speaker 8: to us.

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Speaker 4: It was September eleventh.

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Speaker 8: There were those who posed him stuff in our country

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Speaker 8: as friends, just waiting on an opportunity to find our

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Speaker 8: believe we still need to stand and be on God.

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Speaker 8: We need to be deserning, we need to be watchful,

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Speaker 8: We need to be prayerful and praying for our leaders

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Speaker 1: Bishop Kelvin, thank you so much for joining so under

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Speaker 1: Joining us now is doctor J. Strack. He is the

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Speaker 1: It is always great to see you. Welcome to Sunday

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Speaker 1: the Road Forward Man.

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Speaker 5: Thank you, Thank you, doctor Ryan. It's always a joy

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm so grateful for you, and I just want

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Speaker 1: Faith Advisory Board. You're you're also a part of this

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Speaker 1: new Center for Israel at Liberty University, doctor Troy Temple,

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Speaker 1: who's heading this up. You had just been on campus

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Speaker 1: with the Israeli Ambassador to the United States. I'm not

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Speaker 1: talking about Ambassador Huckulby. I'm talking about Ambassador Lighter, who

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Speaker 1: is just here. Talk about that experience and for Liberty

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Speaker 1: this is nothing new, of course, going all the way

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Speaker 1: back to doctor Jerry Fallwell in nineteen seventy one founding

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Speaker 1: Liberty University. Israel has always been a friend of Liberty University,

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Speaker 1: but now there is a Center for Israel. Talk about

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Speaker 1: that experience, Well.

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Speaker 5: It's almost surreal. It was Jerry Fallwell early in my

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Speaker 5: ministry that I heard thundering about God will bless those

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Speaker 5: that bless Israel, cursos, curses. And as a young guy

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Speaker 5: from the Jesus Movement, not much of a church background,

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Speaker 5: you know, my family was like a bowlav of granola

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Speaker 5: growing up, and so I was new to all things.

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Speaker 5: And I got an opportunity to meet Jerry Fallwell and

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Speaker 5: I still had hair on my shoulders, and he invited

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Speaker 5: me at an early age to sit in on a

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Speaker 5: meeting with about nine of the leading back in the

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Speaker 5: you of a designation. Southern Baptist soon got excited about

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Speaker 5: innerrancy and we began to be trying to be fundamentalists

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Speaker 5: of the faith, you know. And so doctor Folwell was

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Speaker 5: the first one that challenged me to be a make

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Speaker 5: friend of Israel. And even though he was very conservative

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Speaker 5: and I was kind of this weird guy with long

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Speaker 5: hair with the Jesus Movement background, doctor Folwell spent hours

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Speaker 5: and hours and hours with me and so gave me

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Speaker 5: quite a few opportunities and stretched me. So he was

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Speaker 5: one of the very first I'd been privileged to go

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Speaker 5: to Israel as a nineteen year old pastor, and people said,

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Speaker 5: I've been one hundred and five times. Now, the trip

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Speaker 5: we just took with the thousand pastors was my one

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Speaker 5: hundred and fifth trip. But who's counting except for my wife,

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Speaker 5: who's going you've been one hundred and five. But anyway,

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Speaker 5: so I got put in this wonderful position. But the

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Speaker 5: first time I went, it changed my life. First time

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Speaker 5: I went to Israel. So my love for Israel is

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Speaker 5: not political, although I know what a great ally and

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Speaker 5: what they mean to the world and all that's being

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Speaker 5: demonstrated every I think every hour on the news. The

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Speaker 5: role Israel's playing and helping bring peace to the planet

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Speaker 5: number one, but number two for me, I was dyslexic

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Speaker 5: as a kid, and I loved the Bible. The only

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Speaker 5: problem about the Bible grace book ever written, but there's

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Speaker 5: no pictures. Well, I went to Israel. I began to

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Speaker 5: see the pictures. So for me, going to Israel was

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Speaker 5: a life changer. And through the years, having been all

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Speaker 5: those times and been going for fifty plush years now, Oh,

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Speaker 5: it's hard to believe when you look at but Israel

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Speaker 5: I grew up with deep appreciation, got to be exposed

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Speaker 5: to people like doctor Folwell. So now to come full

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Speaker 5: circle and to be asked to be a part of

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Speaker 5: this historic thing. And I must say, Ryan, I must say,

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Speaker 5: knowing Israel's awareness of Liberty through the years as one

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Speaker 5: of America's great universities and as one of the great

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Speaker 5: voices for obviously the Bible, and obviously the name of Jesus,

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Speaker 5: but Israel's known Liberty University as a friend to Israel.

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Speaker 5: So I was privileged. Once we got back from that

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Speaker 5: trip to Israel with a thousand pastors, we were asked

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Speaker 5: to bring a handful of people to meet with the

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Speaker 5: Prime Minister in Palm Beach down near mar A Lago,

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Speaker 5: and the Lord just said, you know, you ought to

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Speaker 5: invite some of the key people from Liberty to be

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Speaker 5: at that meeting. And so it's just amazing how the

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Speaker 5: lords just kind of put all those things together. And

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Speaker 5: then to watch Liberty University take the initiative and invite

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Speaker 5: Ambassador Lighter, and what a message he brought to the

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Speaker 5: students there at Durham chapel, and then the night before

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Speaker 5: he spoke very candidly to a banquet of a couple

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Speaker 5: hundred leaders on campus, as you know, and to hear

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Speaker 5: his story, you know, he lost his son, who you know,

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Speaker 5: if you live in Israel, your sons and daughters sign

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Speaker 5: up for service. And his son was a member of

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Speaker 5: the IDF, was also a medical doctor and going in

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Speaker 5: hostages and trying to be there to rescue some of

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Speaker 5: the hostages that have been taken by Hamas, and he

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Speaker 5: lost his son. And so here's a man who just

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Speaker 5: recently lost his son and now has been asked to

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Speaker 5: serve as ambassador to the United States, one of the

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Speaker 5: greatest ally that Israel has in the world, so very

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Speaker 5: important position. And so getting to spend some real time

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Speaker 5: with the ambassador lighter through these last couple months, and

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Speaker 5: then especially hearing it was a pretty amazing program. And

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Speaker 5: to see how fast this dream and idea and the

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Speaker 5: vision on Liberty's part to do something no other university, secular,

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Speaker 5: our Christian has ever done.

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Speaker 1: We just have a few more moments. But I wanted

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Speaker 1: to bring this up because I know this is I

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Speaker 1: of our friends who knew Charlie Kirk knew that he

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Speaker 1: was actually, in fact a supporter of Israel and that

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Speaker 1: his experience over there was so heart shaping and life

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Speaker 1: changing for him. He wrote a letter to the Prime

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Speaker 1: Minister to to Benjamin Nett and Yahoo before his death,

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Speaker 1: and he said, listen, uh, mister Prime Minister, I support Israel,

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Speaker 1: but how how do we do a better job? Maybe

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Speaker 1: we could do a better job of communicating that support

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Speaker 1: to the next generation, inspiring this next generation, getting them

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Speaker 1: to have a greater understanding. And I think that's I

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Speaker 1: think that's the challenge right now when you think about

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Speaker 1: Biblical illiteracy being where it is, most people are not

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Speaker 1: attuned to the Bible stories or where they are. The

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Speaker 1: Bible wasn't written in Kansas. It was written in Israel.

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Speaker 1: And that those are the pictures. So just just a

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Speaker 1: few more minutes, but just just real quickly, why is

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Speaker 1: it it's so important that we inspire and we connect

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Speaker 1: these truths and these principles to that next generation.

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Speaker 5: Well, we know we can't count on the media, we

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Speaker 5: can't count on popular culture to communicate, But then again,

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Speaker 5: I don't believe we ever should be counting on them

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Speaker 5: to shape a worldview, and that has been commissioned to

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Speaker 5: us through the ages from Mount Sinei on down and

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Speaker 5: of course the Sermon on the Mount, the great commission,

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Speaker 5: and when you look at the ministry and the message

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Speaker 5: that we are to have a great love for our

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Speaker 5: Jewish brothers and sisters, and we also have I think

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Speaker 5: a real call in our life in America to be

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Speaker 5: one of the great defenders of Israel. It's the only

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Speaker 5: democracy in the Middle East, and they have shown their

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Speaker 5: desire and willingness and ability to have peace, you know,

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Speaker 5: with about seven or eight now Arab nations. And of

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Speaker 5: course President Trump should get a lot of credit for that.

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Speaker 5: He's kind of led in the Abrahamic Accords and that's

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Speaker 5: led to a lot of steps. But right now Israel

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Speaker 5: has recognized that and they've known of liberty through the generations.

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Speaker 5: So for them to know liberty is serious about having

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Speaker 5: a sinner for ISRAELI studies a sinner to really learn

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Speaker 5: and study and understand not only the calling on Israel,

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Speaker 5: and Israel is a democracy and they need the friends,

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Speaker 5: and they need the United States, and I think we're

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Speaker 5: seeing we need them. So it's a natural that they

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Speaker 5: and by the way, Minokol began first prime minister that

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Speaker 5: met with Jerry Fallwell. And now to see doctor Jonathan Fallwell,

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Speaker 5: the Chancellor, and now to see your president, doctor Costen,

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Speaker 5: a military man, right who is labored for peace. And

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Speaker 5: then going down the order of you know, doctor Hicks

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Speaker 5: just amazing. But this is one of the most exciting things.

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Speaker 5: And for me to have the privilege to be a

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Speaker 1: Well, we're out of time, Doctor j. Strack, is always

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Speaker 1: a privilege we appreciate so much. How you are serving

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