1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:27,560 Speaker 1: Ridiculous History is a production of iHeartRadio. Welcome back to 2 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:31,319 Speaker 1: the show, fellow Ridiculous Historians. Thank you, as always so 3 00:00:31,640 --> 00:00:35,840 Speaker 1: much for tuning in. We are recording this on Thursday, 4 00:00:36,040 --> 00:00:40,919 Speaker 1: April seventeenth, and we are pleased as punch to return 5 00:00:41,080 --> 00:00:45,760 Speaker 1: to our continuing series on Wonders of the Ancient World. 6 00:00:45,800 --> 00:00:50,600 Speaker 1: That's our super producer, mister Max Williams. It's him, yeah, 7 00:00:50,640 --> 00:00:53,800 Speaker 1: also doing double duty as our research associate for this one. 8 00:00:53,880 --> 00:00:57,680 Speaker 1: You're Noel Brown's bowling. That is what they call me, 9 00:00:57,800 --> 00:01:01,600 Speaker 1: yes outside of Vegas. Oh my gosh, dude, I was 10 00:01:01,720 --> 00:01:06,720 Speaker 1: re listening to part two of our Paul is Dead 11 00:01:06,880 --> 00:01:10,040 Speaker 1: conversation at the very end of that episode. Everybody, re 12 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:15,200 Speaker 1: listen back astute Ridiculous Historians. You will hear Nol and 13 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:19,800 Speaker 1: I refer to the fact that I do have a 14 00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:23,360 Speaker 1: different persona in Vegas, which I feel like we need 15 00:01:23,400 --> 00:01:27,199 Speaker 1: to clarify that I stumbled into it. As you recall, Nol, 16 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:29,160 Speaker 1: that's how you walk in Vegas. It's the only way 17 00:01:29,160 --> 00:01:35,880 Speaker 1: to be. And we wish, wish the identity of Greg 18 00:01:35,959 --> 00:01:39,160 Speaker 1: Prime the best. We're not here to talk about Vegas, 19 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:41,800 Speaker 1: which is maybe a wonder of the modern world. 20 00:01:41,880 --> 00:01:43,600 Speaker 2: You're not allowed to talk about Vegas. 21 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:46,000 Speaker 3: What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas, not to be 22 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:47,760 Speaker 3: broadcast or podcasts. 23 00:01:48,160 --> 00:01:51,480 Speaker 1: That was one of their big That was one of 24 00:01:51,520 --> 00:01:56,160 Speaker 1: their like creepiest tourism mottos right for a while. 25 00:01:56,520 --> 00:02:00,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, it implies like, you know, go ahead do crimes. 26 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:01,559 Speaker 3: It's cool, we won't tell. 27 00:02:02,080 --> 00:02:05,880 Speaker 1: So if you get exactly just so, if you go 28 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:10,760 Speaker 1: to Las Vegas today, you will see multiple sort of 29 00:02:10,960 --> 00:02:14,160 Speaker 1: homages too, great wonders. 30 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:15,960 Speaker 2: The ancient world, like the what is it? 31 00:02:16,040 --> 00:02:20,880 Speaker 3: The there's the luxe, the luxere is what it's called. 32 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:22,000 Speaker 2: It looks like a paramid. 33 00:02:22,400 --> 00:02:27,679 Speaker 3: There's a old tower. Sure, there's a whole Paris hotel 34 00:02:28,200 --> 00:02:30,760 Speaker 3: that's actually pretty cool. Walking through some of those hotels 35 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:33,400 Speaker 3: is worth your time. It's almost like a Disney five 36 00:02:33,600 --> 00:02:35,359 Speaker 3: kind of experience. You know, there's a lot of attention 37 00:02:35,400 --> 00:02:36,799 Speaker 3: to detail. You got to appreciate it at least. 38 00:02:36,880 --> 00:02:40,079 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, And you don't have to be suckered 39 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:42,200 Speaker 1: in by the circus of Vegas, but. 40 00:02:42,120 --> 00:02:43,720 Speaker 2: You do have a circus of Vegas. 41 00:02:43,760 --> 00:02:46,919 Speaker 1: So there we go. But you do have to recognize 42 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:53,640 Speaker 1: there is a reason that this this thoroughly American metropolis 43 00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:59,919 Speaker 1: puts so much time into building wonders, constructing the cons 44 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:05,840 Speaker 1: the wonder It is loosely, I would say, inspired by 45 00:03:06,280 --> 00:03:10,720 Speaker 1: the very real subject of our exploration today, the Seven 46 00:03:10,880 --> 00:03:15,040 Speaker 1: Wonders of the Ancient World. Now, previously we did I 47 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:20,600 Speaker 1: think a very fair, very level headed exploration of one 48 00:03:20,639 --> 00:03:24,519 Speaker 1: of the most controversial wonders of the world, the hanging 49 00:03:24,760 --> 00:03:27,519 Speaker 1: gardens of quote unquote Babylon. 50 00:03:27,639 --> 00:03:31,200 Speaker 3: Yes right, you know your mileage may vary as to 51 00:03:31,240 --> 00:03:32,920 Speaker 3: where they actually were hanging. 52 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:34,960 Speaker 2: Yeah. 53 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:38,320 Speaker 1: And now we're returning to this series, and we're going 54 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:40,680 Speaker 1: to go a little meta with it in future episodes. 55 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:45,360 Speaker 1: But we're we're returning we as as longtime ridiculous historians 56 00:03:45,400 --> 00:03:49,920 Speaker 1: may know, we're very close to our cartoonish goal of 57 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:54,360 Speaker 1: doing one episode per every state in these United States. 58 00:03:55,080 --> 00:03:59,800 Speaker 1: We're picking up more continuing series. This is the second 59 00:04:00,480 --> 00:04:03,640 Speaker 1: piece of our series on the Wonders of the Ancient 60 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:16,520 Speaker 1: World's looking through the research and learning from these ancient 61 00:04:16,640 --> 00:04:21,840 Speaker 1: primary sources. The one thing it reminds me of is 62 00:04:21,960 --> 00:04:29,760 Speaker 1: the concept of amazing architecture in graveyards. What's the weirdest, 63 00:04:30,320 --> 00:04:32,520 Speaker 1: most amazing graveyard you have visited? 64 00:04:32,800 --> 00:04:37,640 Speaker 3: I just roamed through one recently when I was in Philadelphia, 65 00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:40,560 Speaker 3: I had a day off and I just took a 66 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:43,520 Speaker 3: wander around kind of the city center area, which is 67 00:04:43,560 --> 00:04:46,359 Speaker 3: where a lot of the historical sites are, and just 68 00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:50,839 Speaker 3: happened upon the graveyard where Benjamin Franklin is entombed. 69 00:04:51,760 --> 00:04:53,200 Speaker 2: Paid the five bucks to. 70 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:53,680 Speaker 1: Get him. 71 00:04:56,120 --> 00:04:59,880 Speaker 3: Five dollars five five bones to check out the bones, 72 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:02,920 Speaker 3: and then you did get a little commemorative map. And 73 00:05:03,200 --> 00:05:07,159 Speaker 3: I recently got a fun little mirrorless DSLR camera, so 74 00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:10,600 Speaker 3: I took some graveyard picks and ada blasts. Oh, i'll 75 00:05:10,640 --> 00:05:12,080 Speaker 3: send them to you soon. I'm gonna actually do a 76 00:05:12,080 --> 00:05:14,200 Speaker 3: photo set. I haven't filled up my cards yet, but 77 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:16,320 Speaker 3: it's pretty sick by the way. It's like it shoots 78 00:05:16,320 --> 00:05:18,279 Speaker 3: in really really high reds, so you can take a 79 00:05:18,320 --> 00:05:21,919 Speaker 3: picture of like a whole vista and then in post 80 00:05:22,120 --> 00:05:24,880 Speaker 3: zoom into like the eye of a pigeon somewhere in 81 00:05:24,920 --> 00:05:25,480 Speaker 3: the background. 82 00:05:25,520 --> 00:05:26,240 Speaker 2: It's a lot of fun. 83 00:05:26,279 --> 00:05:29,239 Speaker 3: I also wandered through the Philly Chinatown, which is worth 84 00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:33,400 Speaker 3: everyone's time. But yeah, but Benny Franks is buried in 85 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:35,680 Speaker 3: this graveyard and I can't recall the name. And there's 86 00:05:35,720 --> 00:05:40,800 Speaker 3: some other you know, United States governmental luminaries entombed there 87 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:44,680 Speaker 3: as well. But there were definitely some pretty ostentatious mausoleums 88 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:48,240 Speaker 3: as we also have here in Atlanta at the what's 89 00:05:48,240 --> 00:05:49,840 Speaker 3: that cool cemetery. 90 00:05:49,320 --> 00:05:50,880 Speaker 1: Callge Well, there's Oakland. 91 00:05:51,080 --> 00:05:51,839 Speaker 2: That's the one. 92 00:05:51,960 --> 00:05:54,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, there's Oakland. There are a couple of others that 93 00:05:54,880 --> 00:05:57,560 Speaker 1: I like, but I feel as though if I go 94 00:05:57,760 --> 00:06:02,280 Speaker 1: too deep into this, I will sound creepy. I love 95 00:06:02,560 --> 00:06:07,320 Speaker 1: I love a New Orleans graveyard. I love all right. 96 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:10,200 Speaker 1: You know, I used to live in Central America and 97 00:06:10,440 --> 00:06:14,600 Speaker 1: they have a lot of uh similar things. There's actually 98 00:06:14,640 --> 00:06:18,039 Speaker 1: if anybody wants to go on a rabbit hole, do 99 00:06:18,320 --> 00:06:22,880 Speaker 1: check out in in Latin America. Do check out the 100 00:06:22,960 --> 00:06:31,719 Speaker 1: various ostentatious burial places for former cartel members. They're as 101 00:06:31,760 --> 00:06:36,080 Speaker 1: big as condos. In some cases they're as big as houses. 102 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:40,000 Speaker 1: The architecture is amazing, and there's there's a peaceful thing 103 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:43,440 Speaker 1: uh to Maslimbs. But as as we are going to 104 00:06:43,520 --> 00:06:48,120 Speaker 1: learn in this episode on an Ancient Wonder of the World, 105 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:55,480 Speaker 1: the word Maslim comes from a very specific branch of etymology. 106 00:06:55,600 --> 00:06:58,800 Speaker 1: It all goes back to one of the wonders that 107 00:06:58,839 --> 00:07:02,719 Speaker 1: people have a hard time naming at Trivia when they're 108 00:07:02,720 --> 00:07:07,120 Speaker 1: playing turkey with their friends. It's the Mausoleum at Halicarnassus. 109 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:09,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, and every time I hear it or read it, 110 00:07:09,560 --> 00:07:12,120 Speaker 3: I want to say, that is Hella Carnassas. 111 00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:16,560 Speaker 1: I like that. I think it's good. I think you 112 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:17,960 Speaker 1: should keep that one. 113 00:07:17,680 --> 00:07:19,480 Speaker 2: Well, it's just part of who I am. 114 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:24,440 Speaker 1: But let's go to ad non Kidlawie writing for art Nets. 115 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:27,280 Speaker 1: He's got a great quotation that sets us up for this. 116 00:07:27,640 --> 00:07:28,040 Speaker 2: That's right. 117 00:07:28,080 --> 00:07:30,120 Speaker 3: He says, among the seven wonders of the ancient world, 118 00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:35,239 Speaker 3: the Mausoleum at Halacarnasas stood as a testament to both 119 00:07:35,400 --> 00:07:39,320 Speaker 3: architectural ambition and one king's eternal vanity. 120 00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:41,440 Speaker 2: What kings with egoity? 121 00:07:41,760 --> 00:07:42,160 Speaker 1: Crazy? 122 00:07:42,960 --> 00:07:46,120 Speaker 3: They probably think this song is about them and this podcast, 123 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:48,559 Speaker 3: and it kind of is built in what is now 124 00:07:48,760 --> 00:07:53,280 Speaker 3: Bodrum Turkey or Bodrum Turkey. This monumental tomb rose approximately 125 00:07:53,280 --> 00:07:56,040 Speaker 3: one hundred and forty eight feet into the Mediterranean sky, 126 00:07:56,320 --> 00:08:01,160 Speaker 3: about the height of a modern fourteen story building, dominating 127 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:03,800 Speaker 3: the landscape of ancient Halla Carnassis. 128 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:08,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, so here's the thing before we get into the 129 00:08:08,440 --> 00:08:12,559 Speaker 1: story of this giant tomb made for a guy who 130 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:18,960 Speaker 1: might have been a little bit into himself, Scooch. We've 131 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:22,200 Speaker 1: got we've got to give some context. Okay, so we 132 00:08:22,280 --> 00:08:26,880 Speaker 1: have to go to the BCE era before Common era, 133 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:32,240 Speaker 1: and our first question there is, hey, Hallakarnassus. Halle carnass 134 00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:36,040 Speaker 1: is a weird word. What does that mean? It's in 135 00:08:36,240 --> 00:08:41,200 Speaker 1: ancient Greek city, it's over on, as he said, it's 136 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:48,040 Speaker 1: in modern day Buldrum, Turkier, and right now, modern experts 137 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:52,440 Speaker 1: don't know a ton about, as Lauren would say, the 138 00:08:52,559 --> 00:08:58,040 Speaker 1: actual facts existence of Halle carnass We know that it 139 00:08:58,120 --> 00:09:03,760 Speaker 1: did exist. It had a large, pretty advantageous harbor. It 140 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:07,600 Speaker 1: was in prime position on the Sa routes if you 141 00:09:07,679 --> 00:09:10,720 Speaker 1: look at it on paper, just like the Darien Gap. 142 00:09:10,960 --> 00:09:14,520 Speaker 3: Can I just say that the Gulf of Seramicus is 143 00:09:14,679 --> 00:09:17,040 Speaker 3: not one that I'm familiar with, not a golf that 144 00:09:17,120 --> 00:09:19,679 Speaker 3: I am aware of until now? And also doesn't that 145 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:21,760 Speaker 3: kind of sound like a name of like a place 146 00:09:21,800 --> 00:09:26,319 Speaker 3: in like eldin Ring or something a little bit the 147 00:09:26,320 --> 00:09:28,680 Speaker 3: Gulf of Saramicus. It sounds like a scary place. 148 00:09:28,800 --> 00:09:32,480 Speaker 1: It's more elden Ring than elder scroll for a sure. 149 00:09:33,200 --> 00:09:35,800 Speaker 4: Definitely, it also sounds like an elden ring like the 150 00:09:36,040 --> 00:09:39,480 Speaker 4: creature would like scoop your brains out on one hand 151 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:40,000 Speaker 4: and kill you. 152 00:09:41,520 --> 00:09:45,280 Speaker 1: Elden Ring a famously non stressful, fun. 153 00:09:45,160 --> 00:09:48,440 Speaker 3: Game, famously too stressful for me to finish. And I 154 00:09:48,440 --> 00:09:50,600 Speaker 3: will tell you, guys, I may have mentioned this not 155 00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:53,520 Speaker 3: to go too off track, but I have found the 156 00:09:53,559 --> 00:09:57,200 Speaker 3: perfect goldilocks zone of a video game for me that 157 00:09:57,280 --> 00:10:00,360 Speaker 3: scratches all the itches, ticks all the boxes, and I'm 158 00:10:00,400 --> 00:10:02,960 Speaker 3: just loving every minute of it. And that game is 159 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:07,120 Speaker 3: Monster Hunter Wilds. It's all the fun parts of games 160 00:10:07,160 --> 00:10:12,000 Speaker 3: like elden Rang, none of the. 161 00:10:10,640 --> 00:10:14,560 Speaker 2: Head slammed against wall, frustration of it I know, and 162 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:17,200 Speaker 2: keeps all fining about. Oh I love it. I love 163 00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:20,200 Speaker 2: it with all my heart. I got a joint, we 164 00:10:20,200 --> 00:10:22,120 Speaker 2: got a hot monsters together, guys. It's a blast. 165 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:27,120 Speaker 1: So a person who also like the love you have 166 00:10:27,240 --> 00:10:31,120 Speaker 1: for Monster Hunter is similar to the love that some 167 00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:34,720 Speaker 1: of the rulers of Halla Carrass has had for their 168 00:10:35,880 --> 00:10:39,520 Speaker 1: their regional power in the world. One of their most 169 00:10:39,559 --> 00:10:45,720 Speaker 1: famous rulers was a woman, Artemisia. The first she served 170 00:10:45,840 --> 00:10:50,959 Speaker 1: under Xerxes. Everybody remembers him from the documentary three hundred from. 171 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:53,240 Speaker 2: Yeah five hundred, I was wrong. 172 00:10:53,320 --> 00:10:56,439 Speaker 1: Yeah, Artemisia, The first. 173 00:10:56,600 --> 00:10:59,360 Speaker 2: Big on earrings, big on facial piercings. 174 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:05,280 Speaker 1: Xerxys from the Docs, you know, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, 175 00:11:05,280 --> 00:11:09,800 Speaker 1: famously accurate. I love the immortals in that one. I 176 00:11:09,920 --> 00:11:12,520 Speaker 1: love the like the vague superpowers in that one. I 177 00:11:12,520 --> 00:11:12,880 Speaker 1: don't want. 178 00:11:12,920 --> 00:11:15,400 Speaker 3: It's a fun looking movie, but it is a load 179 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:17,880 Speaker 3: of comic book Yeah it is if it was a 180 00:11:17,880 --> 00:11:20,440 Speaker 3: comic book right and they did it, you know. I 181 00:11:20,480 --> 00:11:22,960 Speaker 3: think it may be one of the only Zack Snyder 182 00:11:23,120 --> 00:11:27,040 Speaker 3: pictures that I think suits him the best. Like it 183 00:11:27,120 --> 00:11:28,680 Speaker 3: was not been a fan of a lot of his 184 00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:30,960 Speaker 3: other stuff, but that one feels right for him. 185 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:32,000 Speaker 2: I think he did a good job. 186 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:36,520 Speaker 1: The historical Xerxes, it occurs to me, is a great 187 00:11:36,760 --> 00:11:40,240 Speaker 1: pitch for our friend Ben Thompson over a badass he 188 00:11:40,679 --> 00:11:44,000 Speaker 1: if he hasn't covered it yet, and as his Artemisia 189 00:11:44,320 --> 00:11:47,400 Speaker 1: one very much a badass for her own right. So 190 00:11:48,600 --> 00:11:53,480 Speaker 1: Xerxes with the help of Artemisia the first they invade 191 00:11:53,520 --> 00:11:58,120 Speaker 1: Grease in about four eighty BC. And these are facts 192 00:11:58,160 --> 00:12:02,600 Speaker 1: coming to us for our friends of Pretannica dot com. Again, 193 00:12:02,760 --> 00:12:07,760 Speaker 1: with Royals, they tend to not be super creative with naming, 194 00:12:08,040 --> 00:12:13,480 Speaker 1: so we're not focusing on Artemisia the first. Uh, we're 195 00:12:14,400 --> 00:12:20,960 Speaker 1: we're focusing on Artemisia Street named the second and her husband, 196 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:27,360 Speaker 1: Mauzuleus Soiler. Also, how Game of Thrones is this dude? 197 00:12:27,600 --> 00:12:30,960 Speaker 1: Also her husband and her biological brother. 198 00:12:31,600 --> 00:12:34,400 Speaker 2: Okay, okay, no judgment, maybe a little judgment. 199 00:12:34,480 --> 00:12:37,200 Speaker 1: They just went a little olive garden with romance. 200 00:12:37,480 --> 00:12:39,960 Speaker 2: You know what you mean, unlimited breadsticks? 201 00:12:40,200 --> 00:12:42,199 Speaker 1: Uh, sort of when you're here your family. 202 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:46,559 Speaker 2: Ah, yes, of course. That old chestnut. 203 00:12:50,840 --> 00:12:54,960 Speaker 3: Mazulus, according to Britannica, was a Persian sat trap set 204 00:12:55,040 --> 00:12:56,560 Speaker 3: trap a governor. 205 00:12:56,640 --> 00:12:57,400 Speaker 2: When I looked at it. 206 00:12:57,360 --> 00:12:59,600 Speaker 3: On paper, it looks like a Persian strap, which sounds 207 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:03,040 Speaker 3: like a lot of fun. Though virtually they say an 208 00:13:03,080 --> 00:13:08,760 Speaker 3: independent ruler of Kara Karia rather in southwestern and Toolia 209 00:13:08,960 --> 00:13:12,000 Speaker 3: from three seventy seven seventy six ish to three point 210 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:13,120 Speaker 3: fifty three BCE. 211 00:13:14,840 --> 00:13:17,880 Speaker 1: And this guy. I love that we're bringing up satrap. 212 00:13:18,040 --> 00:13:23,400 Speaker 1: It's one of those relatively archaic words for authorities, sort 213 00:13:23,480 --> 00:13:28,320 Speaker 1: of similar to being a suzerain. This guy. Yeah, imagine 214 00:13:29,040 --> 00:13:33,760 Speaker 1: the governor of your province or your state or what 215 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:38,720 Speaker 1: have you, functioning essentially as a small king. That is 216 00:13:38,760 --> 00:13:42,599 Speaker 1: what mark and statures he's got a short king to 217 00:13:42,720 --> 00:13:46,040 Speaker 1: short king Spring. He's got a short reach for sure, 218 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:49,520 Speaker 1: but within his reach he has an iron grasp. Yeah, 219 00:13:49,559 --> 00:13:53,720 Speaker 1: and we ben oh oh, well, No, the thing is 220 00:13:54,800 --> 00:14:00,560 Speaker 1: this guy, slowly over his career as a despot, he 221 00:14:00,960 --> 00:14:07,880 Speaker 1: expands his control to some surrounding areas. And then Mauzeleless 222 00:14:08,440 --> 00:14:10,440 Speaker 1: just spelling this out so we can all get the 223 00:14:10,440 --> 00:14:16,679 Speaker 1: etymology in a us l us he dies, He dies 224 00:14:16,720 --> 00:14:18,960 Speaker 1: before he does all the stuff he wanted to do, 225 00:14:19,640 --> 00:14:24,320 Speaker 1: and when he dies he's still a big deal. And 226 00:14:24,480 --> 00:14:30,680 Speaker 1: during this time, as later occurs in different points of history, 227 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:35,920 Speaker 1: people want to sort of give the flowers, they want 228 00:14:35,960 --> 00:14:42,440 Speaker 1: to pay the respects. They want to build a cartoonish 229 00:14:42,680 --> 00:14:47,800 Speaker 1: Vegas level doing a callback, a cartoonish Vegas level monument 230 00:14:48,560 --> 00:14:49,840 Speaker 1: to this dead ruler. 231 00:14:50,080 --> 00:14:50,880 Speaker 2: Well, it is funny. 232 00:14:50,920 --> 00:14:53,200 Speaker 3: I think we've talked about it in our discussions over 233 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:55,120 Speaker 3: around stuff. They don't want you to know about the 234 00:14:55,160 --> 00:14:58,840 Speaker 3: Georgia guidestones. If anyone isn't familiar with that, do recommend 235 00:14:59,120 --> 00:15:01,800 Speaker 3: looking into that story and checking out our episodes. But 236 00:15:02,920 --> 00:15:07,880 Speaker 3: the official industry term to this day for tombstones. They 237 00:15:07,880 --> 00:15:10,680 Speaker 3: don't call it tombstones. They call them monuments. 238 00:15:11,320 --> 00:15:17,040 Speaker 1: Right, Yes, this I appreciate you pointing that out because 239 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:20,280 Speaker 1: you want to be you know, careful and respectful with 240 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:26,160 Speaker 1: the survivors of someone who's passed. To understand how this 241 00:15:28,040 --> 00:15:32,320 Speaker 1: all this in the weeds geopolitics of bygone eras to 242 00:15:32,400 --> 00:15:34,880 Speaker 1: understand how it results in a wonder of the world, 243 00:15:35,320 --> 00:15:43,080 Speaker 1: we have to know a little bit about Masilus's financials. 244 00:15:43,480 --> 00:15:45,280 Speaker 1: So him and his. 245 00:15:45,320 --> 00:15:47,200 Speaker 2: Bit of a big spender, a bit of a guy, 246 00:15:47,360 --> 00:15:48,720 Speaker 2: you know, he was not. 247 00:15:49,800 --> 00:15:53,760 Speaker 1: He may have been brave, clean and reverent to quote 248 00:15:53,760 --> 00:15:56,840 Speaker 1: the boy Scouts, but he was not thrifty. He and 249 00:15:57,000 --> 00:16:02,160 Speaker 1: his sister wife a true term Artemisia the second. In particular, 250 00:16:02,680 --> 00:16:09,400 Speaker 1: they spent tons of money doing their version of MTV cribs. 251 00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:14,480 Speaker 1: With their capital overall, they constructed defensive walls, they made 252 00:16:14,600 --> 00:16:19,800 Speaker 1: a Theata, they made multiple temples, they made other public buildings. 253 00:16:19,880 --> 00:16:25,320 Speaker 1: We could actually despotism aside, we could argue that they 254 00:16:25,360 --> 00:16:29,160 Speaker 1: were improving the quality of life for people in the capitol. 255 00:16:29,360 --> 00:16:32,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, they're definitely focused on infrastructure and public works. But 256 00:16:32,920 --> 00:16:35,480 Speaker 3: of course, as you can imagine, these spending habits also 257 00:16:35,560 --> 00:16:40,080 Speaker 3: extended to their private domicile and their personal shopping habits. 258 00:16:40,120 --> 00:16:43,040 Speaker 2: Let's call them. We're pretty outlandish and extravagant. 259 00:16:43,520 --> 00:16:45,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, and so it comes to pass. In three point 260 00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:50,960 Speaker 1: fifty three BCE, Mausulus dies and when he dies, his widow, 261 00:16:51,560 --> 00:16:57,480 Speaker 1: Artemisia the Second becomes the ruler of the land. And 262 00:16:57,720 --> 00:17:01,880 Speaker 1: she says, I like spending money. I missed my brother 263 00:17:02,160 --> 00:17:03,680 Speaker 1: or I miss my husband. 264 00:17:04,200 --> 00:17:08,600 Speaker 3: Little retail therapy, right, I mean, yes, exactly, I'm going 265 00:17:08,760 --> 00:17:12,240 Speaker 3: to do the ancient equivalent of showing up to target 266 00:17:12,359 --> 00:17:21,960 Speaker 3: with no shopping lists, just vibes targeageman marcus, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, 267 00:17:23,320 --> 00:17:24,000 Speaker 3: there we go. 268 00:17:24,359 --> 00:17:28,280 Speaker 1: Uh. So, she says, We're going to build this magnificent 269 00:17:28,359 --> 00:17:31,560 Speaker 1: tomb to honor my brother or await my husband. 270 00:17:31,480 --> 00:17:34,119 Speaker 2: So to my boo, yeah yeah, my booth. 271 00:17:34,119 --> 00:17:41,080 Speaker 1: Hang. So to create this enormous, opulent structure, Artemisia the 272 00:17:41,160 --> 00:17:48,320 Speaker 1: Second contacts the most talented, prolific, well known Greek artist 273 00:17:48,359 --> 00:17:53,680 Speaker 1: and architects of the day and brings them to Hollycardasses. 274 00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:55,000 Speaker 2: That's right, we're talking about. 275 00:17:55,160 --> 00:17:59,960 Speaker 3: Of course, you already know Satrios of Paros and Pythia 276 00:18:00,359 --> 00:18:06,240 Speaker 3: of prayin Prime. Uh the four walls of the structure 277 00:18:06,320 --> 00:18:08,960 Speaker 3: in question here, the mausoleum is they're not calling it 278 00:18:09,040 --> 00:18:13,520 Speaker 3: that quite yet, though, let's just be clear. We're adorned 279 00:18:13,720 --> 00:18:17,040 Speaker 3: with these relief carvings created by four of the most 280 00:18:17,040 --> 00:18:19,280 Speaker 3: famous Greek sculptors of the day. 281 00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:21,119 Speaker 2: That would include. 282 00:18:20,840 --> 00:18:24,520 Speaker 3: Scope Us, who was the artistic foreman. Let's just say, 283 00:18:24,560 --> 00:18:27,879 Speaker 3: of the reconstruction of the Temple of Artemis, which the 284 00:18:27,960 --> 00:18:28,920 Speaker 3: other want to talk about. 285 00:18:29,040 --> 00:18:30,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, we're going to talk. 286 00:18:29,880 --> 00:18:32,520 Speaker 3: About that in a future episode. And this is of 287 00:18:32,560 --> 00:18:34,919 Speaker 3: course a thesis. 288 00:18:35,160 --> 00:18:39,080 Speaker 1: And those other uh, the other four sculptors sort of 289 00:18:39,119 --> 00:18:43,000 Speaker 1: the beetles of the construction of the moles, which are 290 00:18:43,359 --> 00:18:49,840 Speaker 1: are the Ocares, Briaxis, and Timotheos. Uh So, four really 291 00:18:49,880 --> 00:18:54,399 Speaker 1: big names legends in their time. Spoiler alert, folks. As 292 00:18:54,400 --> 00:19:01,600 Speaker 1: often happens, this ruler Artemisia the second dies and she 293 00:19:01,760 --> 00:19:06,840 Speaker 1: dies before the construction of this opulent tomb is complete. 294 00:19:07,200 --> 00:19:15,199 Speaker 1: She actually only outlives her brother or her husband, Mausulus, 295 00:19:15,560 --> 00:19:21,520 Speaker 1: by about two years, and after she expires, she is cremated, 296 00:19:21,640 --> 00:19:25,400 Speaker 1: as was her partner, and the ashes of both spouses 297 00:19:25,760 --> 00:19:29,600 Speaker 1: are placed in this tomb which is still under construction. 298 00:19:29,840 --> 00:19:34,399 Speaker 1: So there are these big to dos, these big funeral ceremonies. 299 00:19:35,040 --> 00:19:38,680 Speaker 1: There are a lot of sacrifices of animals, not humans, 300 00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:42,359 Speaker 1: so far as we know. And the steps leading to 301 00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:44,840 Speaker 1: I love the point you made what would later be 302 00:19:44,920 --> 00:19:49,480 Speaker 1: called the mausoleum. The steps leading to this memorial site 303 00:19:49,880 --> 00:19:54,720 Speaker 1: are covered with stones and rubble to close off any 304 00:19:55,400 --> 00:19:58,239 Speaker 1: untwold access to the interior. 305 00:19:58,400 --> 00:20:02,280 Speaker 3: Indeed, to keep out the you know, can't have anybody 306 00:20:02,320 --> 00:20:07,760 Speaker 3: tagging this glorious testament to the greatness of these these despots. 307 00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:10,440 Speaker 3: So to add an additional closing note on this part, 308 00:20:10,520 --> 00:20:14,240 Speaker 3: Max mentions in the research, much of the building process 309 00:20:14,400 --> 00:20:17,399 Speaker 3: is not one hundred percent known in terms of, you know, 310 00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:20,280 Speaker 3: the actual methods that were used to construct them, which 311 00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:22,480 Speaker 3: is often the case of some of these ancient structures. 312 00:20:23,040 --> 00:20:25,359 Speaker 3: It is, however, believed that the construction began it in 313 00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:29,240 Speaker 3: three fifty three BCE, right before Masulus Is death, and 314 00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:33,560 Speaker 3: finished in three fifty one BC, shortly after Artemisius death 315 00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:37,439 Speaker 3: Artemisius is death. And yeah, it's important to say that 316 00:20:37,520 --> 00:20:40,040 Speaker 3: while it's not known for certain, it is believed that 317 00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:43,879 Speaker 3: much of the manual laver was were performed of course, 318 00:20:43,920 --> 00:20:46,760 Speaker 3: surprise surprise, by slaves. 319 00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:50,040 Speaker 1: By It is believed. We also mean, it is true. 320 00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:52,879 Speaker 3: Have you seen that there's a really great little it's 321 00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:56,080 Speaker 3: ft up? But the show's wonder shows and there's a 322 00:20:56,080 --> 00:20:58,000 Speaker 3: little clip where it's these kids. 323 00:20:58,320 --> 00:20:59,760 Speaker 2: They kind of have these kids songs. 324 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:01,680 Speaker 3: They're singing messed up stuff, and there's one where it's like, 325 00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:10,679 Speaker 3: slaves built the Pyramids, slaves built the Parthenos, same built America. No, 326 00:21:10,760 --> 00:21:13,080 Speaker 3: it's just like a funny little goofy kids song, but 327 00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:16,040 Speaker 3: they're talking about how slaves built everything, and then it 328 00:21:16,119 --> 00:21:18,159 Speaker 3: ends with thank you slaves. 329 00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:21,760 Speaker 1: I'm just I'm thinking of that beautiful song Fame where 330 00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:24,159 Speaker 1: they just the refrain is someone yelling Fame. 331 00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:27,399 Speaker 2: Well, sure, that's yeah, David Bowie and John Lennon. 332 00:21:27,680 --> 00:21:34,000 Speaker 1: So next question, what did this edifice this? I mean, 333 00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:37,119 Speaker 1: it is full of sculptures. What did this structure look like? 334 00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:40,080 Speaker 1: We do have good news. We teased it at the top. 335 00:21:40,280 --> 00:21:43,760 Speaker 1: Unlike our first episode in this series on the Hanging 336 00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:48,879 Speaker 1: Gardens of Babylon, the Mauzle Limb at Halla Karnassis is 337 00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:54,520 Speaker 1: much more well established in the historical record. We know 338 00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:59,399 Speaker 1: exactly where it was constructed. There are primary sources with 339 00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:03,040 Speaker 1: direct first hand accounts of the tomb. In short, we 340 00:22:03,359 --> 00:22:07,919 Speaker 1: know that it existed where and when it is purported 341 00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:08,600 Speaker 1: to exist. 342 00:22:09,119 --> 00:22:09,680 Speaker 2: That's right. 343 00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:14,080 Speaker 3: Unlike the famed hanging gardens, right, So with that, let's 344 00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:18,520 Speaker 3: get into some elder talk. Pliny the Elder to be specific, 345 00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:22,280 Speaker 3: the Roman scholar who we often quote because he was 346 00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:27,040 Speaker 3: a great historian, a great documentary cataloger of history, and 347 00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:29,960 Speaker 3: he was also a naval commander. He provided our most 348 00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:33,840 Speaker 3: detailed contemporary accounts of many things from this era, including 349 00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:37,840 Speaker 3: the Mausoleum of Halla Carnasses. According to his account, the 350 00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:42,360 Speaker 3: monument's base was nearly square, with a perimeter measuring four 351 00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:46,879 Speaker 3: hundred and eleven feet. It was adorned with thirty six 352 00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:50,719 Speaker 3: columns that circled the structure and created sort of what 353 00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:54,320 Speaker 3: you might refer to as a colonnade that supported a 354 00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:58,840 Speaker 3: pyramid shaped roof made up of twenty four steps. 355 00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:01,160 Speaker 1: Okay, so ziggarat esque. 356 00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:01,639 Speaker 2: There you go. 357 00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:06,080 Speaker 1: Proof. And for everybody outside of the United States and 358 00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:09,680 Speaker 1: Namibia at this point, if we could do a quick 359 00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:20,840 Speaker 1: ancient historic inflation calculator or concurreacion and a dude, so 360 00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:24,440 Speaker 1: four hundred and eleven feet is a little more than 361 00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:27,400 Speaker 1: one hundred and twenty five meters, So this is very 362 00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:28,600 Speaker 1: very big for the time. 363 00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:29,320 Speaker 2: That's right. 364 00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:32,320 Speaker 3: They're going large or going home on top of this 365 00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:36,640 Speaker 3: structure that we've described. Was kind of what you would 366 00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:39,400 Speaker 3: call the coupdi grav whole thing. The star on top 367 00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:43,359 Speaker 3: of the tree, a structure known as a quadraga, which 368 00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:48,200 Speaker 3: is made up of four horse chariot situations carved from 369 00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:51,240 Speaker 3: white marble. These must have been glorious to behold. The 370 00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:56,680 Speaker 3: chariots carrying figures thoughts to be Maziles himself and Ardimisia. 371 00:23:56,760 --> 00:23:57,320 Speaker 2: The second. 372 00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:04,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, very again, very modest, very humble. Nobody has problems, 373 00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:09,080 Speaker 1: no one's going hungry or hoping for freedom. This is 374 00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:13,600 Speaker 1: this is also as cold as it sounds. This is 375 00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:18,639 Speaker 1: fantastic marketing and intimidation because if you were a ship 376 00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:24,280 Speaker 1: coming into this beautiful sheltered harbor, you are going to 377 00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:28,919 Speaker 1: see these sculptures as you approach. And the monument again 378 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:33,960 Speaker 1: it's it's Leviathan. It's a gigantic scale. People are figuring 379 00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:38,879 Speaker 1: out how to build this thing in a way such 380 00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:41,640 Speaker 1: that it doesn't immediately collapse. So shout out to all 381 00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:43,359 Speaker 1: the engineers in the crowd. 382 00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:44,119 Speaker 2: For sure. 383 00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:49,879 Speaker 1: The foundation is about two feet or i'd say like 384 00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:54,520 Speaker 1: aboutzero point six meters deep into the ground, and they 385 00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:58,480 Speaker 1: had to dig down into the ground because they were 386 00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:03,880 Speaker 1: carrying two two thousand estimated two thousand tons of marble 387 00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:09,800 Speaker 1: blocks in the construction, and marble also, of course it's 388 00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:13,919 Speaker 1: peak opulence. It's quite expensive, it's not super easy to 389 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:18,040 Speaker 1: work with. These guys are still also, by the way, 390 00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:21,359 Speaker 1: I think you would love this ridiculous historians. They're using 391 00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:25,160 Speaker 1: a lot of lead in the construction. They got lead dowels, 392 00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:30,160 Speaker 1: they got iron clamps, but they're using molten lead to 393 00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:34,359 Speaker 1: fasten these blocks together. And this is like nobody knows 394 00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:38,240 Speaker 1: about the long term knock on effects of lead exposure 395 00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:42,119 Speaker 1: at this point, so this is a revolutionary technique. 396 00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:46,600 Speaker 3: We did recently cite a study indicating that the IQ 397 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:50,280 Speaker 3: of folks from this era in this part of the 398 00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:54,160 Speaker 3: world definitely saw a decline over time that was likely 399 00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:58,040 Speaker 3: a knock on effect of lead contamination. To your point, Ben, 400 00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:06,840 Speaker 3: you know, it's funny when we're hearing this description of 401 00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:11,600 Speaker 3: this mausoleum or of this grand burial monument, it really 402 00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:14,840 Speaker 3: makes me think of a lot of neo classical types 403 00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:17,200 Speaker 3: of monuments throughout the world, and even here in the 404 00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:20,680 Speaker 3: United States, like in Berlin there's the Brandenburger Gate or 405 00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:25,120 Speaker 3: the Brandenburg Gate, which it has these you know, horses 406 00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:28,880 Speaker 3: on top very much seemingly inspired by this kind of thing. 407 00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:31,080 Speaker 3: And even in New York City or you've got the 408 00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:35,600 Speaker 3: Grand Army Plaza where it's got this like eagle situation 409 00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:38,320 Speaker 3: and a lot of this stuff, you realize was definitely 410 00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:42,160 Speaker 3: a nod to some of these classical architecture. 411 00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:43,920 Speaker 2: I guess that's where neoclassical country. 412 00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:50,760 Speaker 1: The original version of the Washington Monument was something quite similar. 413 00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:55,520 Speaker 1: And for sure, when I accidentally got baptized as a 414 00:26:55,560 --> 00:27:01,359 Speaker 1: Buddhist in Salt Lake City recently yet accident, I was 415 00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:05,639 Speaker 1: thinking of something similar. If you go to the Big 416 00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:09,639 Speaker 1: LDS Temple there in Salt Lake City, you will see 417 00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:14,160 Speaker 1: a top it a golden statue of the angel Moroni, 418 00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:19,720 Speaker 1: and it's very similar this idea of sort of propagating visibility. 419 00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:23,320 Speaker 1: Look upon our works, and as we said, you know, 420 00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:28,399 Speaker 1: they're pulling the brightest minds of their generation to decorate 421 00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:33,720 Speaker 1: and ornament this monument. Each of the four sculptors we 422 00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:38,720 Speaker 1: previously mentioned are assigned one of the four facades of 423 00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:41,800 Speaker 1: the building. So to your earlier point, they have a 424 00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:46,639 Speaker 1: bunch of like Baker's dozens of free standing sculptures. These 425 00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:52,000 Speaker 1: are gonna depict battles between the Greeks and the Amazons. 426 00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:58,800 Speaker 1: They're super intricate, think like Angor Watt level intricate. Some 427 00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:03,480 Speaker 1: of this spoiler, the monument does get destroyed, but some 428 00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:08,800 Speaker 1: of the sculptures made it to the British Museum, including 429 00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:13,000 Speaker 1: one that is thought to be a statue of the 430 00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:18,960 Speaker 1: dead man himself, Mazuleus. However, speaking of humility and embellishment, 431 00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:23,240 Speaker 1: know this statue is ten feet tall. I don't think 432 00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:24,720 Speaker 1: Masulus was ten feet tall. 433 00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:27,600 Speaker 3: No, remember he was a short king. We talked about that. 434 00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:30,959 Speaker 3: So can you go visit this then? Well, first of all, 435 00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:32,320 Speaker 3: let's get it out of the way. I think it's clear. 436 00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:35,199 Speaker 3: The term mausoleum, which we use to this day to 437 00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:41,920 Speaker 3: describe large burial sites, usually reserved for multiple bodies. Oftentimes 438 00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:44,880 Speaker 3: they are for entire families. You know, you'll have like 439 00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:49,240 Speaker 3: different little slots within these mazle gums where various members 440 00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:52,800 Speaker 3: of a lineage will be stored, kind of have them 441 00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:57,840 Speaker 3: reserved for when folks pass. The second question, now they've 442 00:28:57,840 --> 00:28:59,720 Speaker 3: got down out of the way, can you go see 443 00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:02,760 Speaker 3: this thing today? I mean. 444 00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:09,520 Speaker 1: Asterisk, yes, asterisk So uh, you are going to be 445 00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:16,040 Speaker 1: unfortunately disappointed it's going to be a deeper disappointment than 446 00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:20,840 Speaker 1: the first time I visited the famous London Tower, right 447 00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:24,760 Speaker 1: and just cool, Well, no, it's cool, it's beautiful, and 448 00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:27,360 Speaker 1: obviously I love the Ravens, I love the Corvids. I 449 00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:29,640 Speaker 1: kicked up with them for a while for a few days. 450 00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:32,920 Speaker 1: But the first thing you'll realize when you go to 451 00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:36,120 Speaker 1: the Tower of London is that tower meant a very 452 00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:39,960 Speaker 1: different thing free skyscraper technology. 453 00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:43,760 Speaker 2: I mean, so it doesn't quite have the wow factor. 454 00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:47,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's understood bers Dubai. 455 00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:48,240 Speaker 2: It is not. 456 00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:51,960 Speaker 1: But this this is not to say that the Maslem 457 00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:57,680 Speaker 1: is not a immensely impressive piece of construction, because it 458 00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:01,480 Speaker 1: did stand the test of time for nearly two thousand years. 459 00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:05,960 Speaker 1: Even Alexander the Great comes by and decides not to 460 00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:10,440 Speaker 1: destroy it. Europeans in the medieval era would come by 461 00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:12,320 Speaker 1: and they would see it and they would say, oh, 462 00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:14,560 Speaker 1: that's cool. 463 00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:15,400 Speaker 2: That Alexander the Great. 464 00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:17,760 Speaker 3: Bit reminds me of the part in Batman where the 465 00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:21,240 Speaker 3: Joker and his henchmen are like smashing up the museum 466 00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:23,920 Speaker 3: and then he comes across a Francis Bacon painting that's 467 00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:26,600 Speaker 3: kind of fed up, and he goes, wait, leave that one. 468 00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:27,440 Speaker 2: I like it. 469 00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:33,360 Speaker 1: Wait which which Batman franchise was that one Batman. 470 00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:36,800 Speaker 5: With the Prince And they're in the museum and they're 471 00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:39,680 Speaker 5: painting and slicing up the paintings, and then they come 472 00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:44,280 Speaker 5: across this Francis Bacon painting, who's a notoriously macabre kind 473 00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:47,400 Speaker 5: of painter, and the Joker says, no, leave that one. 474 00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:50,160 Speaker 1: I love that. I love all the jew I love 475 00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:53,600 Speaker 1: all the Joker adaptations except for one. And I'm gonna 476 00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:54,720 Speaker 1: be diplomatic. 477 00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:55,960 Speaker 2: The one with the face tattoos. 478 00:30:57,400 --> 00:30:59,920 Speaker 1: Being diplomatic, but I think we're on the same page. 479 00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:02,600 Speaker 4: The one who's to use condoms sent to the fellow actors. 480 00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:05,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I guess he was doing method I 481 00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:07,240 Speaker 3: don't know. It's super cool. 482 00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:12,520 Speaker 1: Sometimes people use doing method acting as an excuse to 483 00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:18,000 Speaker 1: just be pills. Daniel day Lewis would never I'm saying anyway, 484 00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:23,680 Speaker 1: the monument itself, it doesn't fall to human shenanigans, it 485 00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:27,680 Speaker 1: doesn't fall to human villainy. It falls to the passage 486 00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:32,760 Speaker 1: of the living natural world, a series of earthquakes between 487 00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:37,960 Speaker 1: the eleventh and fifteenth centuries CE. So this is around 488 00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:42,520 Speaker 1: for so so long, and even when it's kind of 489 00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:47,959 Speaker 1: a wreck and ruin, people are still on board with it. 490 00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:50,000 Speaker 1: I mean, it's a lot of marble, you know what 491 00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:50,320 Speaker 1: I mean. 492 00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:53,479 Speaker 2: Yeah, there's still some tasty bits that you can see. 493 00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:58,640 Speaker 1: So in fourteen ninety four, again ce Knights of Saint 494 00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:06,440 Speaker 1: John go to the site, the construction destruction site of 495 00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:11,760 Speaker 1: the mausoleum. They take these marble blocks, and the ones 496 00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:15,800 Speaker 1: that they're able to recover and move they use to 497 00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:21,560 Speaker 1: fortify their castle of Saint Peter. And they're able to 498 00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:24,520 Speaker 1: do this. Marble is super heavy, right, but they're able 499 00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:28,040 Speaker 1: to do this because the castle is nearby, and in 500 00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:33,040 Speaker 1: doing so they accidentally preserve pieces of this wonder of 501 00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:33,480 Speaker 1: the world. 502 00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:37,040 Speaker 3: Sure, and as they're excavating the site, they also accidentally 503 00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:41,960 Speaker 3: happen upon a secret chamber that's filled with beautiful sculptures 504 00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:45,880 Speaker 3: and statues. They initially believe that they'd found the actual 505 00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:52,680 Speaker 3: burial chamber, but Mazillus's actual facts Lauren vocal bomb burial 506 00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:55,400 Speaker 3: site remains lost to history. 507 00:32:56,600 --> 00:33:01,840 Speaker 1: History. Yeah, it's very just okay, now we know only 508 00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:09,240 Speaker 1: ruins remain. Shout out to Osamandias, the Muslims foundations. The 509 00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:14,640 Speaker 1: remnants of the debris they're at the original site right now. 510 00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:19,800 Speaker 1: You will find more of an impact in culture than 511 00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:24,800 Speaker 1: you will find in the soil. Similar to the taj Mahal. 512 00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:34,880 Speaker 1: This is a gargantuan monument to one man's ego, and 513 00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:39,920 Speaker 1: it's the reason, it's the reason that masolem is now 514 00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:41,720 Speaker 1: a word for a very fancy grave. 515 00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:46,680 Speaker 3: Indeed, love a mausoleum. They're a lot of fun and 516 00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:49,240 Speaker 3: they're also you know, very tim burtony. There's a certain 517 00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:53,280 Speaker 3: kind of I don't know, Gothic spookiness to them, like 518 00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:55,160 Speaker 3: I believe I remember, oh gosh, we don't talk about 519 00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:56,080 Speaker 3: a Neil game anymore. 520 00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:58,360 Speaker 2: But the Graveyard Book was really cool. 521 00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:00,760 Speaker 3: And in the Graveyard Book, I believe of a mausoleum 522 00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:02,880 Speaker 3: was sort of like the entrance and exit to like 523 00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:04,200 Speaker 3: the underworld. 524 00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:07,280 Speaker 2: Oh sure, ghosts and haunts and that one. 525 00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:10,720 Speaker 1: Oh, it reminds me of the excellent Clive Barker book 526 00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:14,960 Speaker 1: Night Breed. Yeah, of course that's the idiot. Yeah, the 527 00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:18,239 Speaker 1: Graveyard City. Now, of course, as we are going to 528 00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:22,800 Speaker 1: wrap up every episode this series are Wonders of the World. 529 00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:26,680 Speaker 1: One of the big questions for our fellow gamers out 530 00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:32,920 Speaker 1: there is obviously, should I build this wonder the Masolem 531 00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:37,600 Speaker 1: of Halikarnassis or the Moslim at Halacarnassis. Should I build 532 00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:43,080 Speaker 1: it in the game, it gives you scientific and seafaring 533 00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:47,200 Speaker 1: traits in some iterations, or it gives you culture and 534 00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:53,280 Speaker 1: points for an artist thing. It increases your gold income. However, 535 00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:58,279 Speaker 1: as a research associate, Max needs everyone listening to know 536 00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:03,040 Speaker 1: SIEV six is really where the Muslim will shine. 537 00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:06,120 Speaker 2: Bright Ooh okay, so they've they've upgraded it a little bit. 538 00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:09,360 Speaker 4: You know, it's like one of the most overpowered wonders 539 00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:13,839 Speaker 4: and Civilizations six because it has two abilities and each 540 00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:16,200 Speaker 4: of them individually will make it one of the best 541 00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:19,279 Speaker 4: wonders in the game because what it does, especially you 542 00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:24,920 Speaker 4: have to build it adjacent to a harbor in a 543 00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:28,000 Speaker 4: city on the coast. So like, that's one cool thing 544 00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:29,719 Speaker 4: that Day introduced in Stif six where it's like you 545 00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:32,000 Speaker 4: can't just build things in random places, like you can't 546 00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:34,239 Speaker 4: for the pyramids and tundra and stuff like that, which 547 00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:36,920 Speaker 4: is like, okay, that makes sense, but uh so, but 548 00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:39,320 Speaker 4: in other words, you have this one. You have to 549 00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:41,240 Speaker 4: have a lot of coastal and all your coastal tiles 550 00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:43,239 Speaker 4: just get beasted out. So it makes the city into 551 00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:45,880 Speaker 4: a super city. But it also gives you an extra 552 00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:48,520 Speaker 4: charge on a great on a great engineer going forward, 553 00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:50,440 Speaker 4: on all your great engineers going forward. So let's just 554 00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:53,840 Speaker 4: say you have a great engineer like uh, Eiffel is 555 00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:55,200 Speaker 4: one of the great engineers you can get who gives 556 00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:57,560 Speaker 4: you a bunch of like production for building wonders. So 557 00:35:57,640 --> 00:36:00,840 Speaker 4: like literally you can just beast out like three wonders 558 00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:03,240 Speaker 4: with this thingale On. It's the most and some reason 559 00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:04,640 Speaker 4: the AI never want to build. 560 00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:08,640 Speaker 1: It right, right, so it's advantageous. Now, of course we 561 00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:15,120 Speaker 1: have saved clearly the most pivotal and impactful question for 562 00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:19,040 Speaker 1: the end. However, we have good news, folks, this is 563 00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:24,040 Speaker 1: not the end of the series. We have additional wonders 564 00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:27,319 Speaker 1: to explore technically five. We're also going to have a 565 00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:30,319 Speaker 1: little bit of a meta episode about what makes a 566 00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:34,000 Speaker 1: wonder a wonder. We have so much more to get to. 567 00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:35,880 Speaker 3: To call back to Clive Barker, so many wonders to 568 00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:36,960 Speaker 3: show you, right. 569 00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:40,279 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, very very l Raiser, I love it all. 570 00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:43,440 Speaker 1: I love we Also yeah again we have a we 571 00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:46,280 Speaker 1: have a meta episode on what makes a wonder a wonder? 572 00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:49,279 Speaker 1: We can't wait to hang out with you later this 573 00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:53,720 Speaker 1: week when we talk about another wonder of the modern 574 00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:58,759 Speaker 1: world with perhaps some damning consequences. We're doing a ridiculous 575 00:36:58,840 --> 00:36:59,880 Speaker 1: history of tupperware. 576 00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:03,319 Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, I love that tupperware burp hughes. 577 00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:06,200 Speaker 3: Thanks to Max Williams, a super producer who also served 578 00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:09,919 Speaker 3: does our research associate extraordinaire on this episode. Huge thanks 579 00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:12,720 Speaker 3: to Alex Williams, who composed our theme. 580 00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:16,880 Speaker 1: Big big thanks, of course to The Puzzler and the Twister. 581 00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:21,520 Speaker 1: That would be the Devil and the Angel on the 582 00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:26,320 Speaker 1: shoulders of our show. That's aj Bahamas Jacobs, host of 583 00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:29,080 Speaker 1: The Puzzler, and that's Jonathan Strickland. 584 00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:30,799 Speaker 3: AJ joining us pretty soon. 585 00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:34,480 Speaker 1: AJ is joining us pretty soon. He's he's got some 586 00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:37,719 Speaker 1: he's got some bangor research to share with us, and 587 00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:40,480 Speaker 1: of course we can't wait to hang with him. Also, 588 00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:45,960 Speaker 1: big thanks to Rachel Big Spinach Lance, the number one 589 00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:50,439 Speaker 1: world expert on underwater explosions, which I still love being 590 00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:51,040 Speaker 1: able to. 591 00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:53,879 Speaker 2: Say, yes, it's a very niche expertise and we're here 592 00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:54,200 Speaker 2: for it. 593 00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:59,240 Speaker 1: And of course Chris rossi Otis Eves Jeffcoat here in spirit, 594 00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:04,560 Speaker 1: and big thanks to you know, I'd love to I 595 00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:08,000 Speaker 1: can't wait to see what wonders we explore in the future. 596 00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:09,560 Speaker 3: Oh, I thought you're gonna say, to see what my 597 00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:10,680 Speaker 3: mausoleum looks like. 598 00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:13,120 Speaker 1: Dark. No, that'd be rude. 599 00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:16,600 Speaker 3: No, it's gonna be it's gonna be rad I'm already 600 00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:17,160 Speaker 3: designing it. 601 00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:18,560 Speaker 2: Let's see you next time, folks. 602 00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:29,160 Speaker 3: For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, 603 00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:31,400 Speaker 3: or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.