1 00:00:05,480 --> 00:00:12,680 Speaker 1: The Welcome to the Ozone podcast featuring Jaguars dot Com 2 00:00:12,800 --> 00:00:19,000 Speaker 1: senior writer John Osher and Checkuars executive producer Dave the Kennis. Dave, 3 00:00:19,040 --> 00:00:21,200 Speaker 1: I guess the big news this week is that the 4 00:00:21,239 --> 00:00:24,160 Speaker 1: schedule has come out. The NFL schedule has come out. 5 00:00:24,239 --> 00:00:28,840 Speaker 1: And while we don't really know eventually what that's going 6 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:31,840 Speaker 1: to entail, how it's gonna actually come off, how things 7 00:00:31,840 --> 00:00:35,560 Speaker 1: are gonna look. Uh, it does give you some excitement 8 00:00:35,680 --> 00:00:38,920 Speaker 1: because it's a football field. It feels like it's coming back, 9 00:00:39,479 --> 00:00:44,360 Speaker 1: and uh, whatever happens, the NFL is planning on this. 10 00:00:44,479 --> 00:00:47,440 Speaker 1: I think the important thing is you've got to get 11 00:00:47,440 --> 00:00:51,280 Speaker 1: a schedule and you've got to have a plan for 12 00:00:51,760 --> 00:00:54,640 Speaker 1: if the plan doesn't happen. If you're gonna have contingencies, 13 00:00:55,200 --> 00:00:57,160 Speaker 1: then you have to have a plan to have contingency 14 00:00:57,280 --> 00:01:00,160 Speaker 1: is off of But everything I hear is the the 15 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:03,720 Speaker 1: NFL believes that this is what they're doing, and uh 16 00:01:03,800 --> 00:01:05,840 Speaker 1: so I think that's exciting. I think it's fun and 17 00:01:06,160 --> 00:01:08,360 Speaker 1: I still would be surprised if it doesn't come off 18 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:10,720 Speaker 1: the way they plan. So I'm gonna plan and is 19 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:16,400 Speaker 1: if that's what's happening. So, uh, I assume that that's 20 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:18,840 Speaker 1: how most people are looking at this. Yeah, I think 21 00:01:18,840 --> 00:01:20,520 Speaker 1: so it's kind of how I I looked at It's 22 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:23,399 Speaker 1: kind of it gives you a little hope. I guess 23 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:26,720 Speaker 1: that some normalcy is gonna rehearn the big thing. Yeah 24 00:01:26,840 --> 00:01:30,360 Speaker 1: at yeah, at some point. And the other thing for 25 00:01:30,440 --> 00:01:33,000 Speaker 1: me when the schedule comes out, I like to look 26 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:36,440 Speaker 1: to where we're traveling and and I also like to 27 00:01:36,440 --> 00:01:38,080 Speaker 1: look to know in the bye week so I can 28 00:01:38,120 --> 00:01:41,160 Speaker 1: tell my wife and my family, hey, I'll be home 29 00:01:41,200 --> 00:01:44,200 Speaker 1: this week weekend, so which which they get to look 30 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:46,920 Speaker 1: forward to that which is good. And uh, you know 31 00:01:47,520 --> 00:01:50,120 Speaker 1: then this, you know, going back and forth with one 32 00:01:50,120 --> 00:01:55,280 Speaker 1: of our producers. Another one producer's Patrick Kevinaugh. You've heard 33 00:01:55,320 --> 00:01:58,720 Speaker 1: his name before, uh last night about the schedule and 34 00:01:58,760 --> 00:02:01,760 Speaker 1: it's just kind of interesting. There's some good things like 35 00:02:02,080 --> 00:02:04,280 Speaker 1: we're only on the road for two weekends in a 36 00:02:04,360 --> 00:02:08,280 Speaker 1: row one time, which is big in church for the Jaguars. 37 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:11,320 Speaker 1: The bye weeks pretty much in the middle. You know. 38 00:02:11,440 --> 00:02:13,280 Speaker 1: The other big thing that jumped out to me was 39 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:16,440 Speaker 1: for me personally, because that's what this is about, is 40 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:18,959 Speaker 1: there's a couple of cold, potential cold weather games there 41 00:02:18,960 --> 00:02:22,280 Speaker 1: on the schedule, which you John gets to sit in 42 00:02:22,320 --> 00:02:27,000 Speaker 1: the nice I'm controlled press box with all the food 43 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:30,200 Speaker 1: he could want, while I'm on the field shooting video 44 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:33,680 Speaker 1: of the game in the elements. So John doesn't care 45 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:37,800 Speaker 1: about the John, you don't care about the the weather 46 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:39,720 Speaker 1: aspect of it as much as I do. But I 47 00:02:39,760 --> 00:02:42,680 Speaker 1: haven't covered a cold weather game and about thirty years day. 48 00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:46,240 Speaker 1: So a mid November game in Green Bay is uh, 49 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:50,160 Speaker 1: is a little off putting for me, but we'll we'll survive. 50 00:02:51,440 --> 00:02:55,359 Speaker 1: I doubt that will be that bad, uh, but I 51 00:02:55,400 --> 00:02:57,360 Speaker 1: don't have to deal with it. But the good news 52 00:02:57,440 --> 00:03:00,560 Speaker 1: is will be in the same elements in Minnesota because 53 00:03:00,600 --> 00:03:03,160 Speaker 1: I'm inside and you're inside. Yeah, so that's good. You 54 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:05,200 Speaker 1: want to get to the interview, all right, James. So 55 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:09,080 Speaker 1: without further ado, and there's been some ado in this segment, 56 00:03:09,480 --> 00:03:12,080 Speaker 1: we're gonna introduce our interview this week. It's a good 57 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:16,079 Speaker 1: friend of mine, a long time NFL writer, Michael Silver, 58 00:03:16,200 --> 00:03:19,760 Speaker 1: who is now with the NFL Network, but many long 59 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:23,079 Speaker 1: time fans known to Yahoo First New Sports Illustrating is 60 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:26,480 Speaker 1: one of the best writers of the NFL that I've 61 00:03:26,480 --> 00:03:29,600 Speaker 1: ever been around, and uh, you know now talks and 62 00:03:29,760 --> 00:03:32,440 Speaker 1: writes it in this quarantine. He's doing it virtually like 63 00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:35,400 Speaker 1: all of us. Welcome in, Michael Silver, and I appreciate 64 00:03:35,440 --> 00:03:38,640 Speaker 1: you doing this. Thank you John. I did have facial 65 00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:43,080 Speaker 1: hair and unfortunately with my wife's birthday, so I could 66 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:46,160 Speaker 1: not survive that. She was not a huge fan, but 67 00:03:46,440 --> 00:03:49,800 Speaker 1: uh yeah I was. I respect your your look. It's 68 00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:52,200 Speaker 1: it's very it's very impressive. Well, I'm not sure how 69 00:03:52,240 --> 00:03:54,240 Speaker 1: much my wife is gonna last through it, but uh, 70 00:03:54,800 --> 00:03:56,680 Speaker 1: we'll see. And I guess the first thing I wanted 71 00:03:56,680 --> 00:03:59,000 Speaker 1: to ask you, Michael Um, we talked a little bit 72 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:02,480 Speaker 1: about before we came on the quarantine. In your job, 73 00:04:02,720 --> 00:04:05,400 Speaker 1: I mean, people are fascinating because they see what they 74 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:07,640 Speaker 1: see behind you, they see when you're doing your spots. 75 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:11,280 Speaker 1: But how has this change what you do? How has 76 00:04:11,280 --> 00:04:15,320 Speaker 1: it changed how NFL Network covers the NFL made Well, 77 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:17,520 Speaker 1: you know, it's interesting. This would be a time of 78 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:19,880 Speaker 1: year where, you know, other than the pre draft and 79 00:04:19,960 --> 00:04:22,760 Speaker 1: draft stuff, where you know, it's it's relatively lighter for us. 80 00:04:23,080 --> 00:04:25,000 Speaker 1: Um and I do spend a lot of time at 81 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:29,320 Speaker 1: home during those times anyway, so in some ways it 82 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:32,080 Speaker 1: hasn't been crazy different. I do have a home camera. 83 00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:35,280 Speaker 1: There's a team can just like you guys have at 84 00:04:35,320 --> 00:04:38,799 Speaker 1: the jag Wars facility. We are not totally operational because 85 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:42,200 Speaker 1: of the California guidelines and the fact that our our 86 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:46,480 Speaker 1: facility in in l a Is uh is not open 87 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:48,760 Speaker 1: right now, so we're kind of working around and getting 88 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:50,880 Speaker 1: some stuff on the air. Sometimes we have to use 89 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:54,400 Speaker 1: the headphone. I actually use the bows headphone for that 90 00:04:54,520 --> 00:04:57,359 Speaker 1: of course. But uh, and you saw in the draft 91 00:04:57,400 --> 00:05:01,960 Speaker 1: telecast that was largely in the ESPN joint production. Yes, 92 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:05,360 Speaker 1: but ESPN centric because the Connecticut guidelines are different and 93 00:05:05,440 --> 00:05:11,240 Speaker 1: they're building is more operational. So um. But but honestly, 94 00:05:11,279 --> 00:05:13,080 Speaker 1: you know, I mean, you know, a lot of what 95 00:05:13,160 --> 00:05:16,240 Speaker 1: I do is being around people, trying to break red 96 00:05:16,279 --> 00:05:21,680 Speaker 1: with people, getting people in relaxed context. So certainly that 97 00:05:21,880 --> 00:05:26,200 Speaker 1: is you know, is different for me. But um, this 98 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:30,440 Speaker 1: time year laying low, it really hasn't been a huge 99 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:33,800 Speaker 1: adjustment for me. It's really more watching. Uh you know 100 00:05:33,839 --> 00:05:36,000 Speaker 1: how it's affecting people in my family. Uh. You know, 101 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:38,360 Speaker 1: you and I were talking with our first child around 102 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:41,000 Speaker 1: the same time. I have a kid who just is 103 00:05:41,040 --> 00:05:43,200 Speaker 1: just out of college recently, a kid who's in college 104 00:05:43,200 --> 00:05:45,680 Speaker 1: at a high school senior, and you know, and that 105 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:49,000 Speaker 1: one's particularly hard to watch with all the you know, 106 00:05:49,200 --> 00:05:51,679 Speaker 1: with what's been lost, and we know it's way bigger 107 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:54,360 Speaker 1: than us, and and obviously we have it really really 108 00:05:54,360 --> 00:05:58,560 Speaker 1: good compared to most. But you know, I honestly just 109 00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:02,279 Speaker 1: trying not to drive my kids crazy. What My wife 110 00:06:02,480 --> 00:06:04,480 Speaker 1: is a clinical psychologist, She's able to do a lot 111 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:09,360 Speaker 1: of videotherapy from home. Um, so it's really more that's 112 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:13,400 Speaker 1: been the bigger adjustment than my actual job so far. Now, 113 00:06:13,440 --> 00:06:16,640 Speaker 1: it's funny you mentioned earlier that so much of your 114 00:06:16,720 --> 00:06:18,440 Speaker 1: job and I've been around you when you're working, and 115 00:06:18,480 --> 00:06:22,040 Speaker 1: you're very good at getting to no NFL people, getting 116 00:06:22,040 --> 00:06:23,760 Speaker 1: the comfortable as part of the job as a reporter. 117 00:06:24,400 --> 00:06:26,920 Speaker 1: And yet on Twitter you're the king of the block. 118 00:06:27,440 --> 00:06:29,680 Speaker 1: Tell me how that is true. It's obviously part of 119 00:06:29,720 --> 00:06:32,359 Speaker 1: your staking, part of your brand. Some people won't block, 120 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:35,360 Speaker 1: and you have no problem with it. Oh, I'm I mean, 121 00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:37,440 Speaker 1: the only reason I wouldn't block is if I decided 122 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:40,200 Speaker 1: to mute instead, which you know I mean. I I 123 00:06:40,760 --> 00:06:43,279 Speaker 1: tried to exploit it one time about Twitter, so I 124 00:06:43,320 --> 00:06:49,280 Speaker 1: said something like, I'll block you if you're disrespectful or 125 00:06:49,400 --> 00:06:51,560 Speaker 1: or whatever. And there's no reason to ever have a 126 00:06:51,560 --> 00:06:55,560 Speaker 1: conversation with you, I'll mute you if I'm going to 127 00:06:55,680 --> 00:06:59,479 Speaker 1: become completely annoyed, but you know, like muting it to 128 00:06:59,520 --> 00:07:02,000 Speaker 1: me is more like this is not gonna end. Well, 129 00:07:02,080 --> 00:07:05,760 Speaker 1: we're just gonna get blocked. I just I'm just exhausted. 130 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:08,240 Speaker 1: And if they don't know and I don't know, it's 131 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:11,880 Speaker 1: probably better. So you know, for me, it's it's interesting. 132 00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:16,520 Speaker 1: I mean, uh, you know, I come from an arrow 133 00:07:16,520 --> 00:07:19,320 Speaker 1: where you know, what I write in, the content I 134 00:07:19,400 --> 00:07:23,240 Speaker 1: provide is my source of revenue. And uh, there's no 135 00:07:23,280 --> 00:07:25,840 Speaker 1: pretty press anymore. But I still feel like, you know, 136 00:07:26,280 --> 00:07:30,000 Speaker 1: I work for a company h NFL Media that is 137 00:07:30,480 --> 00:07:32,480 Speaker 1: paying me to do those things. No one's paying me 138 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:35,400 Speaker 1: to be on Twitter. I'm happy to solve promote on it, 139 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:38,960 Speaker 1: and honestly, I'm happy to use it as a diversion. 140 00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:41,720 Speaker 1: What used to be writing a paragraph and the getting 141 00:07:41,800 --> 00:07:44,960 Speaker 1: up and shooting nerf hooks might be you know, screwing around, 142 00:07:45,320 --> 00:07:47,720 Speaker 1: uh with my mentions or maybe if I'm stuck in 143 00:07:47,960 --> 00:07:52,400 Speaker 1: a line somewhere at the airport. You know, I used 144 00:07:52,440 --> 00:07:57,640 Speaker 1: it for those purposes, but um, I just never you know, 145 00:07:58,680 --> 00:08:01,840 Speaker 1: I'm not like a I'm not tweeting for anyone else 146 00:08:01,840 --> 00:08:03,960 Speaker 1: other than myself. A lot of times I'm trying not 147 00:08:04,040 --> 00:08:07,960 Speaker 1: to bore but to bore myself. Um. I tend to 148 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:10,560 Speaker 1: be over the top in general, and like people who 149 00:08:10,640 --> 00:08:14,200 Speaker 1: take me literally. It's kind of like, you know, Greg Williams. 150 00:08:14,320 --> 00:08:17,040 Speaker 1: I think when people take me literally, it's usually not good. 151 00:08:17,160 --> 00:08:22,400 Speaker 1: And I just, uh, what really started was I just 152 00:08:22,400 --> 00:08:27,320 Speaker 1: couldn't understand the people questioning journalistic integrity as though it 153 00:08:27,360 --> 00:08:31,600 Speaker 1: were a acceptable or normal thing, because you know, you 154 00:08:31,400 --> 00:08:34,199 Speaker 1: do you understand this is like, we take that so 155 00:08:34,200 --> 00:08:36,880 Speaker 1: so seriously. And I'd be like on Twitter and be like, well, 156 00:08:36,920 --> 00:08:39,440 Speaker 1: you just made that up. I'd be like, huh, you know, 157 00:08:40,040 --> 00:08:42,640 Speaker 1: you don't understand what you're what you're saying to me, 158 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:48,880 Speaker 1: and and I'm not work at it. And how much 159 00:08:48,960 --> 00:08:52,679 Speaker 1: we care and how how much we would hate ourselves 160 00:08:52,679 --> 00:08:55,880 Speaker 1: at each other if we ever felt that one of 161 00:08:56,000 --> 00:09:00,000 Speaker 1: us ever did anything to violate you know, those prints 162 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:03,360 Speaker 1: moths we hold dear and so you know, and this 163 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:05,560 Speaker 1: is not just I want to distinguish it from what 164 00:09:05,800 --> 00:09:08,720 Speaker 1: one one thing I loved about Twitter is one follower 165 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:13,400 Speaker 1: I stole from her, uh, the term fans plaining. Uh, 166 00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:17,920 Speaker 1: And that's fans plainting. That's different. It's like uh people 167 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:21,720 Speaker 1: explaining to you, like it's someone telling you John on 168 00:09:21,760 --> 00:09:26,760 Speaker 1: Twitter more about what the Jaguars were thinking when they 169 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:32,439 Speaker 1: drafted uh C. J. Henderson, As though because they've seen 170 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:36,320 Speaker 1: things on the Internet or you know, on TV or 171 00:09:36,559 --> 00:09:40,000 Speaker 1: read something somewhere that they would know as much as you, 172 00:09:40,120 --> 00:09:44,120 Speaker 1: it would be it's I mean, it's disrespectful and that 173 00:09:44,200 --> 00:09:47,560 Speaker 1: we talked to players, coaches, owners and scouts and those 174 00:09:47,559 --> 00:09:50,320 Speaker 1: people all the time, and so of course we know more. 175 00:09:50,880 --> 00:09:54,160 Speaker 1: And it's also weird. It's like if I went to 176 00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:57,240 Speaker 1: the dentist then it was like, oh, what bother you? 177 00:09:57,320 --> 00:09:59,400 Speaker 1: I said, well, there's this you know, it really hurts 178 00:09:59,480 --> 00:10:01,120 Speaker 1: up here and they and he said, okay, well what 179 00:10:01,160 --> 00:10:03,120 Speaker 1: you're gonna need as a root canal? Because that's and 180 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:06,760 Speaker 1: I was like, come on, everyone knows that's just a filling, 181 00:10:06,880 --> 00:10:10,480 Speaker 1: you know, Like I mean, we do have like some 182 00:10:10,600 --> 00:10:14,920 Speaker 1: degree of expertise. So I'm not either you don't anything. Yeah, 183 00:10:15,040 --> 00:10:17,240 Speaker 1: I'm not talking about that. I'll just clown those people. 184 00:10:17,280 --> 00:10:22,280 Speaker 1: I'm talking about blatant questioning of my journalistic integrity, and 185 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:27,520 Speaker 1: that could be anything from you know, you're I actually 186 00:10:27,559 --> 00:10:29,360 Speaker 1: have a great story about this boat, but you know, 187 00:10:29,600 --> 00:10:31,440 Speaker 1: you have it out for my team, but but like 188 00:10:31,480 --> 00:10:33,960 Speaker 1: in a inscituous way, like you're trying to take down 189 00:10:33,960 --> 00:10:37,520 Speaker 1: my team or you made that up or I I 190 00:10:37,640 --> 00:10:39,920 Speaker 1: just I don't have to stand for it. I won't 191 00:10:39,960 --> 00:10:43,480 Speaker 1: stand for it, and I'm sorry. I'm sorry if people 192 00:10:43,480 --> 00:10:46,160 Speaker 1: don't understand it. But really, what's the penalty? I mean, 193 00:10:46,559 --> 00:10:49,120 Speaker 1: it's I mean, in real life would be like killing someone. 194 00:10:49,280 --> 00:10:51,920 Speaker 1: But you can't do that of course in a civilized society. 195 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:55,000 Speaker 1: But I can kind of kill you on Twitter. You'll 196 00:10:55,040 --> 00:10:58,280 Speaker 1: never see what I ever tweet again. I mean, but 197 00:10:58,559 --> 00:11:01,240 Speaker 1: like really, like get over my bio literally says I'm 198 00:11:01,280 --> 00:11:03,600 Speaker 1: followed me, Like it can't be that important. But I 199 00:11:03,640 --> 00:11:06,520 Speaker 1: do have one great story because back at Yahoo, I 200 00:11:06,600 --> 00:11:11,480 Speaker 1: used to do pics and um, you know, to me, 201 00:11:11,640 --> 00:11:14,720 Speaker 1: picks are amusing and I obviously don't. I was that 202 00:11:14,760 --> 00:11:17,200 Speaker 1: good at it. I could just move to Vegas and 203 00:11:17,679 --> 00:11:20,120 Speaker 1: you know, make money, I guess, but I'm not, you know, 204 00:11:20,160 --> 00:11:23,360 Speaker 1: but I I did well, not against the spread usually Yeah, 205 00:11:23,400 --> 00:11:26,040 Speaker 1: who like I, I, you know, try to beat up 206 00:11:26,120 --> 00:11:30,080 Speaker 1: Jason Cole or Charlie Less Carpenter. You know, we're just 207 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:34,080 Speaker 1: scooping around having fun. And I but people would take 208 00:11:34,120 --> 00:11:37,120 Speaker 1: the pics as a you know, as a referend about 209 00:11:37,160 --> 00:11:40,200 Speaker 1: what I wanted to happen, which is weird at a 210 00:11:40,280 --> 00:11:44,240 Speaker 1: sign that I was against your team, which, by the way, 211 00:11:44,600 --> 00:11:46,520 Speaker 1: other signs that I was against your team was I 212 00:11:46,520 --> 00:11:50,240 Speaker 1: didn't rank them high enough in my rankings, or I 213 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:54,120 Speaker 1: reported something true that you didn't like, or I expressed 214 00:11:54,120 --> 00:11:58,080 Speaker 1: an opinion about that happened there that you didn't like. 215 00:11:58,200 --> 00:12:01,320 Speaker 1: All of those are clear evidence that I haven't out 216 00:12:01,840 --> 00:12:04,439 Speaker 1: the top four, right, and those are really tough four. 217 00:12:04,559 --> 00:12:07,960 Speaker 1: But but I the picks were all you know, the 218 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:09,760 Speaker 1: picks were weird to me because it's like people are 219 00:12:09,800 --> 00:12:13,160 Speaker 1: seeking affirmation and listen, I'm a I'm a I'm a 220 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:16,119 Speaker 1: crappy fan, just like every other fan of it's redundant. 221 00:12:16,400 --> 00:12:19,760 Speaker 1: I know, I'm a Cal fan, and you know, we 222 00:12:19,760 --> 00:12:22,480 Speaker 1: we there's a lot of heartbreak and we haven't been 223 00:12:22,520 --> 00:12:25,440 Speaker 1: to the Rose Bowl in my lifetime, and I'm horrible, 224 00:12:25,760 --> 00:12:27,640 Speaker 1: just like every fan. But I do think there's some 225 00:12:27,920 --> 00:12:31,120 Speaker 1: distinctions in that I don't want affirmation. I don't care 226 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:34,840 Speaker 1: who you picked to win, but so these fans really 227 00:12:34,840 --> 00:12:38,120 Speaker 1: want affirmation. And I used to do email reply still 228 00:12:38,120 --> 00:12:41,960 Speaker 1: a yeahoo because Twitter hadn't really taken over totally and 229 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:45,840 Speaker 1: and I had a lot of fun with it, and um, somebody, 230 00:12:46,240 --> 00:12:49,079 Speaker 1: a Jaguars fan told me how I had it out 231 00:12:49,120 --> 00:12:52,240 Speaker 1: for the Jags, and you know, it was very, very 232 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:55,440 Speaker 1: sure that I thought the Jags were trash and they 233 00:12:55,480 --> 00:12:58,320 Speaker 1: had made this nice renaissance late in the season. I 234 00:12:58,320 --> 00:13:00,839 Speaker 1: think it was in the Del Rio years and might 235 00:13:00,880 --> 00:13:02,439 Speaker 1: have been the might have been the I don't think 236 00:13:02,440 --> 00:13:04,320 Speaker 1: it was the year they stuck into the playoffs with Garre, 237 00:13:04,440 --> 00:13:05,760 Speaker 1: but it was a year where they had a pretty 238 00:13:05,800 --> 00:13:09,400 Speaker 1: good run late in the season and we're winning some games. 239 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:13,480 Speaker 1: And so the fan actually said in the email, like, 240 00:13:13,520 --> 00:13:17,679 Speaker 1: I think the second reply, you've picked against us every 241 00:13:17,760 --> 00:13:21,880 Speaker 1: single game, And it was like it was like mid December, 242 00:13:22,160 --> 00:13:25,319 Speaker 1: and I laughed, and then I like a couple of 243 00:13:25,360 --> 00:13:27,600 Speaker 1: hours later, I was like, well, we do have a graphic, 244 00:13:27,760 --> 00:13:30,240 Speaker 1: like I could go back and go week to week 245 00:13:30,280 --> 00:13:33,760 Speaker 1: and actually see my picks, and there's no way that 246 00:13:33,800 --> 00:13:36,200 Speaker 1: I picked against some every single week. I mean, that's crazy. 247 00:13:36,240 --> 00:13:37,960 Speaker 1: And I went and I started looking at I'm like, 248 00:13:38,040 --> 00:13:41,880 Speaker 1: oh my god, And literally the fan was right. I 249 00:13:41,920 --> 00:13:46,080 Speaker 1: had picked that I had picked against the fifteen times 250 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:49,360 Speaker 1: in a row. Well, I'm stubborn, you know, And and 251 00:13:49,480 --> 00:13:51,839 Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, so of course what happened. 252 00:13:51,880 --> 00:13:53,360 Speaker 1: I picked the if, picked him to win the last 253 00:13:53,360 --> 00:13:55,520 Speaker 1: two games that they lost moment and so I I 254 00:13:55,640 --> 00:14:00,959 Speaker 1: you know, but but so yeah, maybe some consciously, maybe 255 00:14:00,960 --> 00:14:04,120 Speaker 1: I do you know, have it out for someone's We 256 00:14:04,160 --> 00:14:06,559 Speaker 1: will definitely hit on the story, which was outstanding out 257 00:14:06,559 --> 00:14:08,920 Speaker 1: a draft weekend. I want to ask you one more thing. 258 00:14:08,960 --> 00:14:12,439 Speaker 1: Obviously we've gone through your history a little bit. California 259 00:14:12,480 --> 00:14:17,079 Speaker 1: guys started out at a newspapers in California, Sports Illustrated 260 00:14:17,120 --> 00:14:20,560 Speaker 1: Dan Yahoo. Um. It was always intriguing to me is 261 00:14:20,640 --> 00:14:22,960 Speaker 1: that you worked in s I in an era that's 262 00:14:23,040 --> 00:14:26,120 Speaker 1: really different than now. Meaning when you wrote a story 263 00:14:26,160 --> 00:14:28,840 Speaker 1: for s I and it was on the cover, that 264 00:14:28,880 --> 00:14:32,320 Speaker 1: thing mattered, and it mattered. There's probably not anything that 265 00:14:32,360 --> 00:14:35,960 Speaker 1: has reached like that anymore. UM. I always remember the 266 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:43,640 Speaker 1: Broncos story in nine is sort of the Yeah, that's 267 00:14:43,760 --> 00:14:47,880 Speaker 1: the one that stands out as having the most impact reaction. 268 00:14:48,120 --> 00:14:51,120 Speaker 1: Or just tell me which one aside from Rodman, which 269 00:14:51,120 --> 00:14:52,720 Speaker 1: is a different issue. I was going to say that 270 00:14:52,760 --> 00:14:57,440 Speaker 1: one up there, Yeah, you know that was up there. Um, 271 00:14:57,480 --> 00:15:00,480 Speaker 1: the Rodman one I had gotten Si ninety or and 272 00:15:01,240 --> 00:15:06,520 Speaker 1: Rodman in ninety five was getting super weird to really 273 00:15:06,520 --> 00:15:08,520 Speaker 1: feel comfortable, and he was on the Spurs and they 274 00:15:08,560 --> 00:15:10,080 Speaker 1: sent me to l A as he was about to 275 00:15:10,080 --> 00:15:12,080 Speaker 1: close out a series against the Lakers, and I went 276 00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:18,000 Speaker 1: on a four day, all night, three state drunken honesty 277 00:15:18,080 --> 00:15:22,240 Speaker 1: with him and wrote in real time at his house 278 00:15:22,280 --> 00:15:26,280 Speaker 1: while all night while exotic birds chirped, and he and 279 00:15:26,320 --> 00:15:30,640 Speaker 1: a stripper in the next room made brighter meeting subject 280 00:15:30,680 --> 00:15:34,359 Speaker 1: and it all making sense. It was really it was fortuitous. 281 00:15:34,400 --> 00:15:38,640 Speaker 1: But yeah, so there that was there. Um uh. The 282 00:15:38,680 --> 00:15:41,320 Speaker 1: Broncos story was one of those. And it's interesting. There 283 00:15:41,400 --> 00:15:44,560 Speaker 1: was a back to back in the second part of 284 00:15:44,560 --> 00:15:46,840 Speaker 1: the back to back. I'll get to that was Kurt Warner, 285 00:15:47,160 --> 00:15:49,960 Speaker 1: which is up on my wall. Out of Nowhere, the 286 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:52,880 Speaker 1: out of Nowhere sensation early in the season for the 287 00:15:52,960 --> 00:15:58,320 Speaker 1: ramp so I had. I had known Mike shadah had 288 00:15:58,360 --> 00:16:00,480 Speaker 1: since I was covering the forty nine or Is Daily 289 00:16:00,520 --> 00:16:04,760 Speaker 1: in n when he became the offensive coordinator um I covered. 290 00:16:05,240 --> 00:16:07,760 Speaker 1: He gave me incredible access in nineties six when they 291 00:16:07,840 --> 00:16:10,400 Speaker 1: ended up having the league's best record and lost the 292 00:16:10,640 --> 00:16:14,160 Speaker 1: uh first round playoff game to Mark Bourdell and that 293 00:16:14,280 --> 00:16:18,160 Speaker 1: that great Jags team that reached the conference championship gave 294 00:16:18,720 --> 00:16:24,160 Speaker 1: UM and UM he let me actually twice that year 295 00:16:24,160 --> 00:16:26,280 Speaker 1: because they lost the first time so we couldn't run it, 296 00:16:26,320 --> 00:16:29,080 Speaker 1: but twice gave me all access for a week and 297 00:16:29,440 --> 00:16:32,280 Speaker 1: team play and everything was awesome. And uh, and then 298 00:16:33,440 --> 00:16:41,720 Speaker 1: they won Super bowls UM and I um Elway retired 299 00:16:42,040 --> 00:16:44,800 Speaker 1: and they tried to make Buffy Brisk the guy with 300 00:16:44,920 --> 00:16:48,000 Speaker 1: young Brian recently waiting on the wings, and UM, it 301 00:16:48,120 --> 00:16:50,200 Speaker 1: was going real bad and they were owing three. And 302 00:16:50,360 --> 00:16:52,360 Speaker 1: I went out there. Usually when I showed up in 303 00:16:52,400 --> 00:16:55,800 Speaker 1: your town for Sports Illustrated and your team with high 304 00:16:55,800 --> 00:16:58,760 Speaker 1: expectations was oh and three, it was a lot of 305 00:16:58,840 --> 00:17:01,200 Speaker 1: subtlety about what I was. Therefore, I wasn't there that 306 00:17:02,240 --> 00:17:06,280 Speaker 1: to celebrate UM and I knew a lot of guys 307 00:17:06,280 --> 00:17:08,560 Speaker 1: on that team. I got incredible access before the game, 308 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:11,159 Speaker 1: kind of got the lay of the land. Um. They 309 00:17:11,240 --> 00:17:15,360 Speaker 1: not only lost and yanked Bubby Brister for Brian Greasy, 310 00:17:15,400 --> 00:17:18,320 Speaker 1: but they're best player. Torell Davis, future Hall of Famer, 311 00:17:18,359 --> 00:17:20,639 Speaker 1: blew out his knee turned out to be a career 312 00:17:20,680 --> 00:17:24,080 Speaker 1: altering injury, and uh, you know, blew out his knee 313 00:17:24,160 --> 00:17:26,840 Speaker 1: was done for the year. Um, and so now they're 314 00:17:26,840 --> 00:17:29,440 Speaker 1: owing for and they just lost the best player and bench, 315 00:17:29,520 --> 00:17:34,240 Speaker 1: the quarterback, and um. Starting in the locker room, I 316 00:17:34,320 --> 00:17:38,400 Speaker 1: started to get players coming up to me going, oh, 317 00:17:38,680 --> 00:17:41,880 Speaker 1: TV's done, We're done, it's over. And I knew him, 318 00:17:41,960 --> 00:17:43,840 Speaker 1: I knew him really well. And obviously it was heat 319 00:17:43,840 --> 00:17:47,520 Speaker 1: of the moment and they were upset, but um, you know, 320 00:17:47,560 --> 00:17:50,359 Speaker 1: I understood what they were saying. And a couple of 321 00:17:50,359 --> 00:17:52,680 Speaker 1: players invited me out to a place called the chop House. 322 00:17:52,800 --> 00:17:56,320 Speaker 1: And now we're drinking beers, and you know, it's post 323 00:17:56,359 --> 00:17:58,320 Speaker 1: game and there's a lot of players there are probably 324 00:17:58,320 --> 00:18:01,600 Speaker 1: about twenty, and now it's gallows humor. Now people. A 325 00:18:01,880 --> 00:18:05,760 Speaker 1: guy takes a fork and says, I this in me. 326 00:18:05,840 --> 00:18:08,160 Speaker 1: We're done. And another guy points to the bear takes 327 00:18:08,200 --> 00:18:11,080 Speaker 1: because it was a brewery and said, see that take. 328 00:18:11,280 --> 00:18:14,320 Speaker 1: I'm going in that one right there. It was. And 329 00:18:14,359 --> 00:18:17,640 Speaker 1: I recognize that just because I'm out with players, it's 330 00:18:17,680 --> 00:18:20,200 Speaker 1: not necessarily all fair game. It is a gray area. 331 00:18:20,320 --> 00:18:22,880 Speaker 1: But you know, they knew what I did, and I 332 00:18:22,920 --> 00:18:25,240 Speaker 1: thought I could write that story, and I wrote it 333 00:18:25,280 --> 00:18:28,000 Speaker 1: all night. Um, as I did most of my stories, 334 00:18:28,040 --> 00:18:31,560 Speaker 1: I thought I could write that story conveying the gallows 335 00:18:31,640 --> 00:18:36,359 Speaker 1: humor that yes, this is um. They're saying this, but 336 00:18:37,040 --> 00:18:40,280 Speaker 1: obviously they're just trying to, you know, make light of 337 00:18:40,280 --> 00:18:42,840 Speaker 1: a bad situation, and they're not literally saying they're gonna 338 00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:46,359 Speaker 1: try to lose every game. But you know, I didn't 339 00:18:46,359 --> 00:18:49,520 Speaker 1: know that the cover, which I didn't control, was gonna 340 00:18:49,600 --> 00:18:53,920 Speaker 1: be a picture of Terrell Davis with a quote that said, 341 00:18:53,960 --> 00:18:57,600 Speaker 1: We're finished the Broncos season. The Broncos season is over. 342 00:18:57,760 --> 00:19:00,119 Speaker 1: Just asked them. I mean, I'm not saying I was 343 00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:03,119 Speaker 1: mad about it, but I didn't know. And uh, I 344 00:19:03,320 --> 00:19:05,679 Speaker 1: forgot that it was a two newspaper town, one of 345 00:19:05,680 --> 00:19:09,840 Speaker 1: the last great to newspaper towns, competitive town, Adam Schefter, 346 00:19:10,040 --> 00:19:15,000 Speaker 1: and I think Alex Martvez gone at it, and uh, 347 00:19:15,760 --> 00:19:19,280 Speaker 1: you know, um, all of a sudden, it's Tuesday night, 348 00:19:19,320 --> 00:19:21,840 Speaker 1: which is when the magazine closed, and we would send 349 00:19:21,840 --> 00:19:23,760 Speaker 1: out the or Tuesday nights one we'd send out the 350 00:19:23,800 --> 00:19:27,880 Speaker 1: press releases, usually just to the two cities in question 351 00:19:27,920 --> 00:19:30,400 Speaker 1: to their media, and then Wednesday it would go out 352 00:19:30,440 --> 00:19:33,480 Speaker 1: to the world on the newsstands. And I get a 353 00:19:33,520 --> 00:19:36,560 Speaker 1: call at home Tuesday night and it's a breathless voice 354 00:19:36,640 --> 00:19:40,639 Speaker 1: from Denver Cable. Look can you come on? And I 355 00:19:40,720 --> 00:19:43,520 Speaker 1: just thought it was another typical Denver radio station. Chery 356 00:19:43,520 --> 00:19:46,119 Speaker 1: I'll come on. And I realized about three seconds in 357 00:19:46,240 --> 00:19:49,840 Speaker 1: an interview was a voice call on live television on 358 00:19:49,880 --> 00:19:54,360 Speaker 1: the evening news at you know, ten o'clock Pacific eleven 359 00:19:54,400 --> 00:19:56,680 Speaker 1: Mountain to lead the news. And I'm like, oh boy, 360 00:19:57,040 --> 00:20:00,879 Speaker 1: So um yeah, it became a big, big thing. And 361 00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:06,960 Speaker 1: you know, I there were some bruised relationships for a while. 362 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:11,120 Speaker 1: I'll tell you this. I made a point that next 363 00:20:11,160 --> 00:20:13,960 Speaker 1: training camp I told my bosses. They said, where do 364 00:20:13,960 --> 00:20:15,200 Speaker 1: you want to go? I said, I want to start 365 00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:16,840 Speaker 1: in Greeley. I want to start with the broncos. I 366 00:20:16,840 --> 00:20:19,240 Speaker 1: want to take my medicine. You know, they're still mad. 367 00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:22,919 Speaker 1: And you know, I believe that there's a real you know, 368 00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:25,240 Speaker 1: that's part of the journalistic ethos. You know, you can 369 00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:27,439 Speaker 1: you can write. I've been a columnist, I've been an 370 00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:30,560 Speaker 1: opinion guy. I've written before, I've written on popular things. 371 00:20:30,560 --> 00:20:33,480 Speaker 1: You've got to show up and that's part of it. 372 00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:36,879 Speaker 1: And um, I said, I want to go to Greeley first. 373 00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:41,119 Speaker 1: So they said, okay, start Greeling. So I I I 374 00:20:41,359 --> 00:20:46,080 Speaker 1: landed uh at Denver National Airport. I think it was 375 00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:48,199 Speaker 1: opened by the nut Stable T. Yeah. I landed D 376 00:20:48,280 --> 00:20:52,000 Speaker 1: A A and I I go to the little island 377 00:20:52,040 --> 00:20:55,760 Speaker 1: with the Hurts bus. Wait for the Hurts bus. I 378 00:20:55,760 --> 00:20:58,080 Speaker 1: get on the Hurts bus and it's just me the 379 00:20:58,119 --> 00:21:01,399 Speaker 1: summer day. It's like a July day and just me 380 00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:03,320 Speaker 1: on the bus. And back then you had to tell 381 00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:05,960 Speaker 1: the drive of your name and uh, you know, it's 382 00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:09,760 Speaker 1: just said Silver and uh he's said okay. And I 383 00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:12,280 Speaker 1: got on the bus and might have made a little 384 00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:14,359 Speaker 1: small talk, might not have really talked to him and 385 00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:17,720 Speaker 1: kind of a you know, it's like a seven minute ride. 386 00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:21,440 Speaker 1: Bus stops at the thing and I go to grab 387 00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:23,880 Speaker 1: my bag and I say thank you, and he said, hey, 388 00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:26,760 Speaker 1: you're welcome. Stay out of the chop house this time. 389 00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:30,760 Speaker 1: And I'm like, oh my god. So now I drive. 390 00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:33,879 Speaker 1: Now I drive an hour and agreely I get there. 391 00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:37,520 Speaker 1: You know, all the beat writers and the electronic people 392 00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:39,800 Speaker 1: want to interview me. Oh my god. You know Silver 393 00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:45,800 Speaker 1: showed up. I'm like Rod Smith is literally I putting 394 00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:49,160 Speaker 1: out a stream of expletives in my direction. During practice, 395 00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:51,560 Speaker 1: we all lined up on the field and running routes 396 00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:55,040 Speaker 1: is bliep and Bliep and bliep and bliep and uh, 397 00:21:55,240 --> 00:21:58,680 Speaker 1: you know we overcame it and uh, but yeah, that 398 00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:00,720 Speaker 1: that was that was a memorable one. And so what 399 00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:04,399 Speaker 1: was amazing was the next that came out on Wednesday. 400 00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:08,639 Speaker 1: And I think later that day, as all hell was 401 00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:12,080 Speaker 1: breaking loose in Denver and Adam Schefter was calling the 402 00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:15,480 Speaker 1: chop calling Chop House, the Chop House manager to try 403 00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:19,000 Speaker 1: to I d which players had been there, which you know, 404 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:20,920 Speaker 1: there were a lot of them. Didn't prove, didn't prove 405 00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:24,040 Speaker 1: that my source was was ridiculous. But as all hell 406 00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:27,400 Speaker 1: was breaking loose by uh, one of my bosses called 407 00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:29,359 Speaker 1: and said, hey, we got another story for you this week. 408 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:33,960 Speaker 1: This guy in St. Louis Kurt Warner. We know, you know, 409 00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:35,880 Speaker 1: we don't even know who he is. And he's leaving 410 00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:38,800 Speaker 1: the League of Touchdown Passes. There there four and oh 411 00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:41,960 Speaker 1: or three and oh like um, I was like, oh good, 412 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:45,240 Speaker 1: a happy story. And uh. I called Rick Smith, the 413 00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:47,320 Speaker 1: PR director, and said, dude, I want to come out 414 00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:49,200 Speaker 1: on Friday and I want to hang out with Kurt 415 00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:51,920 Speaker 1: order And he said, well, he doesn't really hang out. 416 00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:55,840 Speaker 1: He's he's got the wife and these two young kids 417 00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:59,080 Speaker 1: and he's really really into his faith and he doesn't 418 00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:01,399 Speaker 1: really do anything to go to church. And you know, 419 00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:03,080 Speaker 1: the light bulb went off and I said, go to 420 00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:06,080 Speaker 1: the church. Okay, this is it's gonna a tone, it's 421 00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:10,520 Speaker 1: gonna cleanse me. And you know I ended up that 422 00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:12,919 Speaker 1: was That was also one of the more memorable stories 423 00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:16,879 Speaker 1: I wrote, because it turned turned out to be the 424 00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:20,479 Speaker 1: season of Kurt Warner and also was the season the 425 00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:24,399 Speaker 1: Jags went and oh against the rest of the league 426 00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:30,160 Speaker 1: and oh and three against the Titans, including the NFC championship. Yeah, 427 00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:32,800 Speaker 1: still very painful memory for our Jag Warys fans. I 428 00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:38,120 Speaker 1: appreciate you bringing that up. I can talk Were's illustrated forever, 429 00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:42,240 Speaker 1: but let's talk about the Jags a little bit. Um. 430 00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:45,560 Speaker 1: You spent some virtual time with Dave Calbo during the draft. 431 00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:48,720 Speaker 1: You've spent time with Tony Cohn, you spent time with 432 00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:53,679 Speaker 1: the con and called Well, Um, for fans who maybe 433 00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:57,119 Speaker 1: don't quite get what the dynamics all about right now 434 00:23:57,160 --> 00:24:00,360 Speaker 1: is people thought this bunch was getting fired. They thought 435 00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:04,199 Speaker 1: it was different. Tell me about your perception of the 436 00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:10,000 Speaker 1: direction right now and what they're doing. Well, it's interesting. Um, 437 00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:12,600 Speaker 1: you know, I'm a big fan of what the cons 438 00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:15,959 Speaker 1: have done. And um, I think, like a lot of 439 00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:20,919 Speaker 1: very well meaning newer owners, they don't always know what 440 00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:23,160 Speaker 1: the right thing is. And they've got a million people 441 00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:25,199 Speaker 1: in their ear of course, because that's the nature of it. 442 00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:29,960 Speaker 1: They've been wildly successful in other businesses and their instincts 443 00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:32,600 Speaker 1: are usually pretty good, I feel like, but the NFL 444 00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:37,080 Speaker 1: is a complicated beast, and um, you know, and sometimes 445 00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:39,000 Speaker 1: you do the right thing and the ball gets tipped 446 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:40,960 Speaker 1: and you lose and you think it was the wrong thing. 447 00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:45,320 Speaker 1: Or sometimes you're you know, everything's going down the right 448 00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:48,439 Speaker 1: path and a bad call changes things. And it's just 449 00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:53,240 Speaker 1: it's hard to it's hard to separate outcome from process. 450 00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:55,800 Speaker 1: And you've never if you've never done it before, you 451 00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:58,560 Speaker 1: don't always know. And so you know, And I think 452 00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:01,680 Speaker 1: the Pagolas are going through the and in Buffalo too. 453 00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:04,400 Speaker 1: And I would even say that you know Daniel Snyder, 454 00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:08,480 Speaker 1: who I would criticize a million times for things, and 455 00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:11,119 Speaker 1: I think it would be fair. He at least is 456 00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:14,719 Speaker 1: a guy who he means well and that he cares 457 00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:18,720 Speaker 1: desperately about winning, and some owners really don't. UM. And 458 00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:22,719 Speaker 1: so that I know the cons want to win and 459 00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:24,239 Speaker 1: want to do it the right way. And I know 460 00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:26,720 Speaker 1: their instincts are good, and I know they've made a 461 00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:29,640 Speaker 1: lot of decisions for the right reasons. I think, like 462 00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:33,720 Speaker 1: any new owners in the NFL, sometimes that you know, 463 00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:36,280 Speaker 1: they make decisions that they think are right that they 464 00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:39,399 Speaker 1: later say, Okay, maybe they're not so. At the time 465 00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:41,960 Speaker 1: when they brought in Tom Coughlin, a lot of people 466 00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:43,879 Speaker 1: were saying, you should bring in a football's are you know? 467 00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:46,560 Speaker 1: Tom Coughlin's out there. He just wants to Super Bowls. 468 00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:49,520 Speaker 1: He is the reason the Jaguars, you know, got on 469 00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:52,760 Speaker 1: the map in the first place, and you should have 470 00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:55,199 Speaker 1: a talk with them. And so they brought him in, 471 00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:59,720 Speaker 1: and it felt like the right move, and UM drafting 472 00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:02,440 Speaker 1: letter before Nett at the time felt like the right move. 473 00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:07,800 Speaker 1: UM the run they went on with a lot of 474 00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:10,400 Speaker 1: free agents that you know, in fairness Dave Caldwell had 475 00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:15,280 Speaker 1: had signed UM, you know, I felt like the right move. 476 00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:20,560 Speaker 1: And they were ten points ahead and not that much 477 00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:23,600 Speaker 1: time to go of one of the greatest players of 478 00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:25,359 Speaker 1: all time, one of the greatest coaches of all time, 479 00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:27,480 Speaker 1: and looked like they were going to the Super Bowl. 480 00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:31,959 Speaker 1: And and as that was all happening. Shaan Kom publicly 481 00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:35,520 Speaker 1: said something the effect of Tom is the reason, and 482 00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:40,000 Speaker 1: in retrospect, I think he would have said, that's overstated. 483 00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:45,320 Speaker 1: All right, there were a lot of reasons, and obviously, 484 00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:48,280 Speaker 1: by the time things played out the way they did 485 00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:52,119 Speaker 1: late last season, I think Sean Cohn was essentially saying 486 00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:55,720 Speaker 1: by his actions, Tom is the reason. Now, will we 487 00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:58,199 Speaker 1: look back and say that was an overstatement? Will we 488 00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:03,040 Speaker 1: look back and say, um, you know it wasn't all 489 00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:07,320 Speaker 1: Tom Coughlin, and you know you're by keeping Dave Caldwell 490 00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:13,520 Speaker 1: and Doug Morone, you're oversimplifying the downside of that. Um. 491 00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:16,960 Speaker 1: I don't know, but I know that I can understand 492 00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:19,440 Speaker 1: what their thought process was it And honestly, I think 493 00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:23,000 Speaker 1: people maybe and maybe maybe you guys get this, but 494 00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:25,840 Speaker 1: I think those of us who we're looking at this 495 00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:29,520 Speaker 1: from afar may not have appreciated how important those last 496 00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:33,080 Speaker 1: few games were. When Minshew came back and beating the 497 00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:36,960 Speaker 1: Raiders in Oakland was not a small thing. That was 498 00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:40,760 Speaker 1: a huge, huge, huge game for the Oakland Raiders. They 499 00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:45,400 Speaker 1: really really wanted that for their fans and that they 500 00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:47,760 Speaker 1: were abandoning and it meant a lot to the coach 501 00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:50,919 Speaker 1: and to the players, and that was a that was 502 00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:54,719 Speaker 1: a you know, pretty impressive thing for them to do. 503 00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:58,440 Speaker 1: And then to to win again, uh you know at 504 00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:01,480 Speaker 1: the end, and to have Min's you look good and 505 00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:05,479 Speaker 1: and they clearly it could have been laying down at 506 00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:09,359 Speaker 1: that point, yeah, or even just you know, we weren't 507 00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:11,680 Speaker 1: good enough. We didn't lay down, but we weren't good enough. 508 00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:16,200 Speaker 1: And I think that would have probably provoked a different 509 00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:19,360 Speaker 1: type of you know, yeah, probably changed the coach too, 510 00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:23,040 Speaker 1: and maybe change the GM two and start over. But 511 00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:26,959 Speaker 1: they came out of that thinking, you know what, maybe 512 00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:31,400 Speaker 1: we have something to build around here. Um. Dave Cobble 513 00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:34,960 Speaker 1: did get us to that point in seventeen where we 514 00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:39,080 Speaker 1: felt like we were on the verge. What we can 515 00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:41,200 Speaker 1: get rid of the players that we think are not 516 00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:44,640 Speaker 1: you know, part of the culture we want to establish. 517 00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:49,120 Speaker 1: We can stockpiled draft picks and cap space, and if 518 00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:51,600 Speaker 1: we hit in the draft and we make some smart 519 00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:54,760 Speaker 1: moves and Minshew is what we think he is, um, 520 00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:59,280 Speaker 1: then maybe will be better quicker than people think. And 521 00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:02,640 Speaker 1: and and Doug has proven something us to what we 522 00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:06,080 Speaker 1: saw in So that's I think that's what the that's 523 00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:10,400 Speaker 1: what they're thinking. But um, you know, I think they 524 00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:13,280 Speaker 1: get now and probably got then, but now they get 525 00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:17,080 Speaker 1: even more now that even if you're smart and well 526 00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:20,480 Speaker 1: meaning and aggressive, you don't always know, and a lot 527 00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:22,680 Speaker 1: of it sometimes is out of your control even if 528 00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:25,920 Speaker 1: you do know. So I think, if anything, they've shown 529 00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:28,240 Speaker 1: that they're willing to cut their losses and change course, 530 00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:32,840 Speaker 1: and and they didn't come the fact that they didn't 531 00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:35,720 Speaker 1: completely blow it up. Time will tell whether that was 532 00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:39,240 Speaker 1: the right decision. But I at least respect the philosophy 533 00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:42,240 Speaker 1: because it's the easiest. The easiest thing to do always 534 00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:44,240 Speaker 1: is to blow it up, and I think that's what 535 00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:48,040 Speaker 1: fans and media people gravitate toward because we get frustrated. 536 00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:50,480 Speaker 1: I said a couple of more and even more than 537 00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:54,920 Speaker 1: Janus with your time, so I appreciate it. I know 538 00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:58,720 Speaker 1: you know the cons well from covering the league. I 539 00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:00,880 Speaker 1: think the thing that's always impressed you that then, Michael, 540 00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:05,360 Speaker 1: is um their ability to listen to people within the league, 541 00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:09,000 Speaker 1: and their ability to not think that they know everything 542 00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:12,720 Speaker 1: about the league. Yeah, as many owners as you, but 543 00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:15,560 Speaker 1: I've been around people who have been around owners. That's 544 00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:19,440 Speaker 1: not that common a trait amongst some owners. Isn't no, 545 00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:22,320 Speaker 1: and and and I think some owners go too far 546 00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:24,840 Speaker 1: the other way. I think there are owners who have 547 00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:28,240 Speaker 1: been known for whoever the last person who got in 548 00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:33,400 Speaker 1: their ear about something is what they'll usually uh end 549 00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:36,080 Speaker 1: up trying to do. And that's not healthy either, right. 550 00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:39,440 Speaker 1: I mean, you want to listen, and you wanna believe 551 00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:42,040 Speaker 1: in your people and get input, and you want to 552 00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:44,680 Speaker 1: I know, the cons listen to some very very smart 553 00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:48,480 Speaker 1: people outside the organization and and you know, all of 554 00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:51,480 Speaker 1: that is is great, but you also want to have 555 00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:54,520 Speaker 1: you know, you also want to have a sense of 556 00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:57,920 Speaker 1: who the important voices are and what you believe in 557 00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:03,880 Speaker 1: at your core. And um, you know, I think they are, 558 00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:06,640 Speaker 1: so I would give them credit for both. I think 559 00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:09,240 Speaker 1: they do listen and they're open to things, but they're 560 00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:14,600 Speaker 1: also not just like, you know, completely malleable when somebody 561 00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:16,920 Speaker 1: says something, I trust me. I know I've tried to, 562 00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:20,880 Speaker 1: you know, say things to them just how I feel, 563 00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:23,000 Speaker 1: you know, not like, oh, you're not like you should 564 00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:25,080 Speaker 1: fire your coach. I mean that's not my business. But 565 00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:28,720 Speaker 1: you know, I believe that this team that you're saying 566 00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:32,480 Speaker 1: is such a good model is actually more dysfunctional than 567 00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:35,560 Speaker 1: you do because of what I think. And I think 568 00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:39,240 Speaker 1: they've politely kind of said, you know, well I see 569 00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:45,800 Speaker 1: it differently. So UM, yeah, I think I like if 570 00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:51,360 Speaker 1: you give me aggressive, trying to win and well meaning, Um, 571 00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:53,320 Speaker 1: I think that goes a long way. I think the 572 00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:57,040 Speaker 1: rest can be you know, over time, can be can 573 00:31:57,120 --> 00:32:00,840 Speaker 1: be groomed. A final question, he spent some time with 574 00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:04,680 Speaker 1: him virtually during the draft. Um, what is it you 575 00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:07,880 Speaker 1: saw in what they were doing and steadying the team 576 00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:11,200 Speaker 1: that maybe you like that Maybe some fans don't see 577 00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:13,880 Speaker 1: his fantasies aren't sure about it's been it's been a 578 00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:17,880 Speaker 1: tough couple of years. Anything that you saw that you 579 00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:23,480 Speaker 1: like about their direction. I think Dave as the chief 580 00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:28,200 Speaker 1: decision maker the second time around is more certain, and 581 00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:30,960 Speaker 1: I don't I think swag is probably the wrong word. 582 00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:33,800 Speaker 1: And I don't know if you want your GM having swag, 583 00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:35,920 Speaker 1: you know, like like May I probably came in with 584 00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:37,520 Speaker 1: swag and then all of a sudden he had the 585 00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:41,200 Speaker 1: Star Wars crazy receiver. We're yelling at each other. So 586 00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:45,400 Speaker 1: but I just think, um, if you know, Dave was 587 00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:49,160 Speaker 1: the first time GM, and he was obviously um, you know, 588 00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:52,280 Speaker 1: communicating with ownership and trying to build it the right way, 589 00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:54,920 Speaker 1: and then he got put in a different position when 590 00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:57,680 Speaker 1: Tom was there, still got to you know, do a 591 00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:01,280 Speaker 1: lot of GM things, but you know, wasn't the buck 592 00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:04,720 Speaker 1: didn't stop there always? Well now it does, and he's 593 00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:08,960 Speaker 1: been given a second look at that, and I think, 594 00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:12,320 Speaker 1: you know, he's like, I think he's in a good space. Like, 595 00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:16,360 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna be scared. You know, I might get fired, 596 00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:20,600 Speaker 1: probably will every GM does eventually usually, but I'm not 597 00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:23,600 Speaker 1: going to live in fear of making the wrong choice. 598 00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:25,800 Speaker 1: I know what I know, I know what I believe in. 599 00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:28,520 Speaker 1: I think I'm pretty good at this. Um. I like 600 00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:31,400 Speaker 1: the people I work for. I have a good relationship 601 00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:33,840 Speaker 1: with my head coach, and we're gonna take a swing 602 00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:37,440 Speaker 1: at building it the way we think and not getting 603 00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:39,320 Speaker 1: caught up in the noise. And and that is kind 604 00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:42,360 Speaker 1: of a liberating thing. So um, I mean, ay, the 605 00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:44,720 Speaker 1: fact just that he had me in there, and by 606 00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:48,600 Speaker 1: in I mean by in I mean literally his poor 607 00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:53,680 Speaker 1: selfless wife Joel was spending a lot of time holding 608 00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:56,400 Speaker 1: up her phone on the house party app and letting 609 00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:59,560 Speaker 1: me in that way. But just the fact that he 610 00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:02,040 Speaker 1: trust me to do that because I've been in war 611 00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:04,840 Speaker 1: rooms and it's you know, there's a lot of trust 612 00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:09,279 Speaker 1: and and honestly, the big I think people who have 613 00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:13,040 Speaker 1: let me and understand that I'm not looking to burn 614 00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:15,440 Speaker 1: them after the fact that I'm trying to write as 615 00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:19,040 Speaker 1: much inside stuff as i can without something that's going 616 00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:21,439 Speaker 1: to compromise their ability to do business. And you saw 617 00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:23,640 Speaker 1: that in my story where one of the guys they 618 00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:27,239 Speaker 1: considered it at twenty was still on the board and 619 00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:29,160 Speaker 1: so it made sense not to mention him in a 620 00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:31,400 Speaker 1: story coming out before the second round. It turned out 621 00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:35,360 Speaker 1: to be Xavier McKinney, the the Alabama defensive back, and 622 00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:38,320 Speaker 1: they didn't end up taking him, and it was fine. 623 00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:42,080 Speaker 1: But I think people get that. But what's what's really 624 00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:47,040 Speaker 1: trustworthy is to say to a journalist, I'm going to 625 00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:48,839 Speaker 1: give you a sense of what we're trying to do 626 00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:54,040 Speaker 1: going in and trust that when all these other gms 627 00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:56,719 Speaker 1: and coaches that I know you know, and I know 628 00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:59,600 Speaker 1: you talked to and I know you are close with, 629 00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:02,160 Speaker 1: are hitting you up to see, hey, what are the 630 00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:04,719 Speaker 1: Jags doing or what do you hear that you're going 631 00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:07,279 Speaker 1: to go into a code of silence and and I 632 00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:10,120 Speaker 1: know rationally Dave knew that when I told him I 633 00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:12,360 Speaker 1: would do that, that that I'm a man of my word, 634 00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:14,960 Speaker 1: and he's not one of those people on Twitter questioning 635 00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:18,400 Speaker 1: my journalistic integrity. But it's still a leap of faith 636 00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:22,000 Speaker 1: to come out and say, hey, this is what in 637 00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:23,960 Speaker 1: a perfect world I would I would look to do 638 00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:26,800 Speaker 1: this type of thing, or this is a vague sense 639 00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:30,520 Speaker 1: of of what we're trying to do here, and so 640 00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:35,040 Speaker 1: it is. And I think just so, just the fact 641 00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:37,759 Speaker 1: that he did that in the first place, I think 642 00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:41,759 Speaker 1: tells you that he's got a comfort zone that you know, 643 00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:46,600 Speaker 1: he's healthy, I think. And and secondly, um, I think 644 00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:50,000 Speaker 1: that you know, there's a little bit of it I'll 645 00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:53,200 Speaker 1: show you to him, which you know you don't want 646 00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:56,080 Speaker 1: that to be reckless, but I think he's I think 647 00:35:56,120 --> 00:36:00,239 Speaker 1: he and Tony and Sean and Doug all you know, 648 00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:02,960 Speaker 1: are kind of looking forward to that moment where they 649 00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:05,000 Speaker 1: could say, hey, by the way, we're not we're not 650 00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:08,360 Speaker 1: as atrocious as you. You guys, you know me included 651 00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:11,600 Speaker 1: expected you to be. And and yeah, I hope for 652 00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:13,520 Speaker 1: their sake they get to have a little bit And 653 00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:15,280 Speaker 1: I mean, first of all, I hope we play games 654 00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:18,360 Speaker 1: and that it's it's safe to do so, but to 655 00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:20,279 Speaker 1: the extent that we have a season and if and 656 00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:22,560 Speaker 1: when that is, um, I hope they have some moments 657 00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:25,160 Speaker 1: where we can all because I'll be the first one 658 00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:27,880 Speaker 1: to say, like, dude, I didn't like I wouldn't I 659 00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:30,160 Speaker 1: wouldn't expect you to actually be good. Like I get 660 00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:32,440 Speaker 1: that you're rebuilding, and I get that you're, you know, 661 00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:35,480 Speaker 1: trying to create a culture and build it back up, 662 00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:39,040 Speaker 1: but I didn't know, like you could actually like beat 663 00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:42,120 Speaker 1: the Titans or something. You know, that would be cool, Right, Michael, 664 00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:43,680 Speaker 1: I could do this all day and they don't have 665 00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:45,719 Speaker 1: time to do that. But I can't thank you enough. 666 00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:48,560 Speaker 1: I enjoyed this, so it's not before five minutes. I 667 00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:50,440 Speaker 1: look forward to doing it again at some point and 668 00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:53,640 Speaker 1: I stay safe and best to you and yours. Well, 669 00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:56,239 Speaker 1: it's my pleasure, and uh, I hope that I can 670 00:36:57,040 --> 00:37:00,600 Speaker 1: once again become an annoyance in the Jaguars sillity to 671 00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:03,520 Speaker 1: some of the people you worked with, and trying to 672 00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:07,800 Speaker 1: push my way into you know, out of balance places 673 00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:11,080 Speaker 1: instead of doing it virtually. But in the meantime, I've 674 00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:13,239 Speaker 1: stoked that I got to a big part of the Drive. 675 00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:16,600 Speaker 1: I'd like to thank Michael for giving us some of 676 00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:19,040 Speaker 1: his time. Uh As I said, I've known Michael for 677 00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:21,520 Speaker 1: twenty five years. He was one of the best writers 678 00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:24,400 Speaker 1: on Sports Illustrated. I thought, I thought what was interesting 679 00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:28,040 Speaker 1: about what he talked about with us, Dave was the 680 00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:31,960 Speaker 1: Broncos story was always fascinating because I distinctly remember that story. 681 00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:36,080 Speaker 1: The Jaguars were good and the Broncos were the team 682 00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:37,840 Speaker 1: everybody was watching to see if they were going to 683 00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:40,640 Speaker 1: maintain that year, and they went off the rails and 684 00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:42,399 Speaker 1: you knew they weren't gonna be very good. When Trrell 685 00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:44,840 Speaker 1: Davis got heard was it was happening like that Elway 686 00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:48,839 Speaker 1: was gone. But that story came out and it just 687 00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:52,120 Speaker 1: had a different feel in terms of he was at 688 00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:56,239 Speaker 1: dinner with these players. He got them talking off the 689 00:37:56,280 --> 00:38:00,200 Speaker 1: record a little bit, saying really brutal things about their season, 690 00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:02,440 Speaker 1: and you just knew there was going to be fallout. 691 00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:04,360 Speaker 1: So that was interesting at a time where s I 692 00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:06,719 Speaker 1: had that sort of impact, and I like to hear 693 00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:08,239 Speaker 1: what he had to say about the Cons. I think 694 00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:12,480 Speaker 1: people forget that they've really only owned this team for what, 695 00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:16,000 Speaker 1: in NFL terms, is a short period of time, and 696 00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:18,680 Speaker 1: I've always talked to different people who have talked to 697 00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:21,400 Speaker 1: the cons. I know the conversations I've had with the 698 00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:23,880 Speaker 1: cons is one thing is I went the team. But 699 00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:26,840 Speaker 1: in talking to national people who know a lot of 700 00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:31,960 Speaker 1: different owners, they are very willing to listen and they 701 00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:35,160 Speaker 1: are very willing to try to learn what it takes 702 00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:38,239 Speaker 1: to win in this league. That can take some time 703 00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:41,000 Speaker 1: when you're coming in new and I've always believed in Dave. 704 00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:43,799 Speaker 1: You and I talked about it. We know Tony. He's 705 00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:45,879 Speaker 1: closer to our age, closer to your age. I'm older 706 00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:49,960 Speaker 1: than Tony, but I've gotten to know him through different things, 707 00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:52,960 Speaker 1: seeing him at combines, seeing him around the office, and 708 00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:57,280 Speaker 1: I just truly believe that as as Tony grows into 709 00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:00,720 Speaker 1: the overall ownership role, and that's the thing that takes 710 00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:04,560 Speaker 1: time over an arch, that the time that he has 711 00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:10,960 Speaker 1: put in learning the league, listening to people, getting to 712 00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:14,280 Speaker 1: know people around the league, learning the ins and outs 713 00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:19,919 Speaker 1: of it, uh, how equipment works, how personnel works, how 714 00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:23,440 Speaker 1: this works. A lot of owners never see the nuts 715 00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:26,120 Speaker 1: and bolts of a franchise the way Tony Khan has, 716 00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:27,840 Speaker 1: and I think as time goes on, that's going to 717 00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:30,400 Speaker 1: serve this franchise very well. That's just my little soapbox 718 00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:33,080 Speaker 1: about that. But I've always believed that since I've seen 719 00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:36,719 Speaker 1: him get into the league. It's impressed of the the 720 00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:39,560 Speaker 1: effort and the granular knowledge that he's developing on a 721 00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:41,359 Speaker 1: lot of different fronts. I think it's gonna be cool 722 00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:43,919 Speaker 1: to watch him mature as an owner. Yeah, and going 723 00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:46,799 Speaker 1: back actually kind of change gears a little bit. Is 724 00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:51,239 Speaker 1: with the Broncos arcle with Mike Silver, So that came out. 725 00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:53,120 Speaker 1: I remember when that came out. I remember reading that 726 00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:56,719 Speaker 1: article and I was like probably fourteen or fifteen that time, 727 00:39:56,760 --> 00:40:00,560 Speaker 1: so I was in like super sports Illustrated sports mode 728 00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:03,040 Speaker 1: where I couldn't think enough. I just it was so 729 00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:05,640 Speaker 1: cool for me to hear kind of the background behind 730 00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:09,080 Speaker 1: it and how it all happened, and him just being 731 00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:11,480 Speaker 1: around the team where the guys got comfortable. It's just 732 00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:14,680 Speaker 1: kind of interesting where it almost feels like a different 733 00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:19,000 Speaker 1: era of covering the NFL even back entirely different. So 734 00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:22,040 Speaker 1: so Mike always took a different approach. Like Mike would 735 00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:24,839 Speaker 1: come into town and he would go out to eat 736 00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:27,400 Speaker 1: with a couple of the players, and he was always 737 00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:30,680 Speaker 1: very good at getting to know guys. Teams didn't always 738 00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:33,839 Speaker 1: love that you. I mean, there were certain teams and 739 00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:38,200 Speaker 1: coaches who weren't really sure about what he was all about. 740 00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:40,920 Speaker 1: But as you know, you you told him and meeting 741 00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:44,080 Speaker 1: things like that along with me. He's very good at that. 742 00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:46,000 Speaker 1: He's very good at getting to know people, getting people 743 00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:48,560 Speaker 1: to trust him, and it's why he's one of the best. 744 00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:52,600 Speaker 1: And he's also, I think what people don't quite get anymore. 745 00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:57,160 Speaker 1: He's a fantastic words smith once the words go on 746 00:40:57,200 --> 00:40:59,480 Speaker 1: the page or online as it were now, so he 747 00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:01,400 Speaker 1: knows what to with the information once he gets it. 748 00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:05,440 Speaker 1: But you know, he's very good at kind of taking 749 00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:09,640 Speaker 1: you behind the scenes. And again I can remember being 750 00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:11,840 Speaker 1: in the business when that story broke and talking to 751 00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:15,799 Speaker 1: him about at the time, and it was one that 752 00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:20,040 Speaker 1: as much access as he always got, that one was 753 00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:22,440 Speaker 1: a little bit different and a little bit of a 754 00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:28,200 Speaker 1: it was. It was a shocking story at the time. Uh, 755 00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:30,279 Speaker 1: And you're right, it was cool to hear him tell 756 00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:32,839 Speaker 1: the tale of it. But my job is to do 757 00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:37,640 Speaker 1: what Dave I answer fan questions. So that's what we'll 758 00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:39,920 Speaker 1: do now to close out this second edition to Your 759 00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:42,560 Speaker 1: Zone podcast. That's what you do, John, Here we go. 760 00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:49,440 Speaker 1: So this one is from John and he's from from Jacksonville. 761 00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:53,160 Speaker 1: Does anyone believe that Joan won't play for the Jags 762 00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:57,440 Speaker 1: this season? The franchise has all the power. Other teams 763 00:41:57,520 --> 00:41:59,640 Speaker 1: don't want to pay the price, and it would be 764 00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:03,160 Speaker 1: a really stupid for Yanda lose many more millions of 765 00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:06,480 Speaker 1: dollars this season on top of the millions he lost 766 00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:11,120 Speaker 1: last season. What I think is interesting about this, it's like, 767 00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:13,800 Speaker 1: we're not like at the point of this whole unique 768 00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:16,239 Speaker 1: and Guay saga where it's the river is gonna meet 769 00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:18,759 Speaker 1: the road here in a few short months. It's what's 770 00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:23,239 Speaker 1: interesting to me is like I get the principal principal guy, 771 00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:26,279 Speaker 1: and I get not everyone's motivated by money, But after 772 00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:29,720 Speaker 1: what happened last year, and based on what he's potentially 773 00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:32,719 Speaker 1: gonna get paid under the franchise tag this year, you 774 00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:35,279 Speaker 1: gotta at some point, don't you just have to go 775 00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:37,520 Speaker 1: with it for for the year and and make your 776 00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:39,399 Speaker 1: money while you can, because you don't have that many 777 00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:42,640 Speaker 1: years left our years in the NFL to do make money, 778 00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:46,640 Speaker 1: you would think. And I paused there, because I get it, 779 00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:48,879 Speaker 1: and I get what everybody's saying about you can't walk 780 00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:52,520 Speaker 1: away from seventeen or eighteen millions, but he sort of 781 00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:56,439 Speaker 1: did it last year. And the one thing that I've 782 00:42:56,480 --> 00:43:00,759 Speaker 1: always from being around Yon is interesting is he's a 783 00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:04,200 Speaker 1: hard guy to predict, and I don't necessarily know that 784 00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:08,680 Speaker 1: the logic that we all look at it, he's gonna 785 00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:11,560 Speaker 1: play that much. Maybe he looks at it from a 786 00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:14,520 Speaker 1: Lady on Bell perspective and says, you know what, I'm 787 00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:18,560 Speaker 1: going to get paid at some point, and by definition, 788 00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:22,040 Speaker 1: I'm going to save my body and therefore I have 789 00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:24,880 Speaker 1: more earning years. I'm not sure that's the way I 790 00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:28,200 Speaker 1: would go. But you've been around him a little bit. 791 00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:31,400 Speaker 1: I like you on a lot, and I like talking 792 00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:33,759 Speaker 1: to him, and I've always had a good relationship with him, 793 00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:39,040 Speaker 1: and we've talked about different things at times. But I 794 00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:42,440 Speaker 1: don't know that he's a guy who's necessarily going to 795 00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:44,400 Speaker 1: say just because everybody else is saying I have to 796 00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:47,120 Speaker 1: do this, means I have to come in and do this. 797 00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:50,640 Speaker 1: So yeah, I think he will eventually play this season, 798 00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:54,080 Speaker 1: but it just wouldn't shock me if he does. As 799 00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:56,879 Speaker 1: someone who's around the team, I hope he's there because 800 00:43:56,920 --> 00:44:00,160 Speaker 1: I like him and actually and he's a great play here, 801 00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:04,360 Speaker 1: and I just hope it gets worked out, uh, for 802 00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:07,120 Speaker 1: not only his sake but also the team's sake because 803 00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:10,440 Speaker 1: we could use him in the fall. So yeah, and 804 00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:14,279 Speaker 1: I don't know that he's I'm with you. I hope 805 00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:16,879 Speaker 1: for his sake that he works it out and makes 806 00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:19,719 Speaker 1: the right decision because he did a key point in 807 00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:23,359 Speaker 1: his career. He deserves to get paid, and you just 808 00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:26,680 Speaker 1: hope that he's not hurting himself financially over the long haul. 809 00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:29,399 Speaker 1: We've got a long way to talk about this day 810 00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:31,279 Speaker 1: because I guess it's going to be a topic for 811 00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:34,439 Speaker 1: a long time around here, and I wish it wasn't 812 00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:36,120 Speaker 1: because I'm worn out on it. All right, Well that 813 00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:38,960 Speaker 1: did for episode two of the Ozone Podcast, when I 814 00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:42,080 Speaker 1: thank Michael Silver again for joining us, Thank Joe Portnado 815 00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:45,200 Speaker 1: for putting all this together, Thank Dave Mechanis for being Dave, 816 00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:48,360 Speaker 1: and uh, I won't thank me. I don't need thanks, 817 00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:51,120 Speaker 1: but I appreciate everybody to listen and hope it didn't 818 00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:51,400 Speaker 1: stop