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That's Ankin Law. 0:00:43.490 --> 0:00:48.990 From your favorite source for Chicago White Sox talk, delivering news, interviews, analysis, 0:00:49.130 --> 0:00:53.010 and more. This is the Sox Machine Podcast with your hosts, 0:00:53.190 --> 0:00:54.970 Jim Margulis and Josh Nelson. 0:00:55.030 --> 0:00:55.570 Hello, folks. 0:00:55.610 --> 0:00:57.870 Welcome to a new episode of the Sox Machine Podcast 0:00:57.930 --> 0:01:00.450 as we are streaming live from the Remova Theater. This 0:01:00.550 --> 0:01:03.270 is the Game 3 of the American League Division Series 0:01:03.330 --> 0:01:06.330 postgame show. I'm your host, Josh Nelson. Of course, this 0:01:06.380 --> 0:01:09.820 episode is part of the Foul Territory Network. And pretty 0:01:09.920 --> 0:01:13.420 somber news here, as the Chicago White Sox did not 0:01:13.500 --> 0:01:16.500 play well today in Game 3, as they ended up 0:01:16.560 --> 0:01:21.240 losing by a final score of 9-3. Lots of pitchers 0:01:21.400 --> 0:01:24.450 used for both sides, and the game did start well, 0:01:24.569 --> 0:01:27.169 as the White Sox had an early 1-0 lead in 0:01:27.190 --> 0:01:31.570 the first inning. Sean Newcomb... Pitched well in the first 0:01:31.630 --> 0:01:34.390 two innings. He pitched two scoreless innings. So the opener 0:01:34.420 --> 0:01:36.800 strategy worked, but in this episode, we're going to talk 0:01:36.819 --> 0:01:40.480 about the third inning disaster that really went sideways for 0:01:40.540 --> 0:01:43.610 this game as Cleveland ended up taking a commanding lead, 0:01:43.870 --> 0:01:46.850 and that was a big deciding factor. Jose Ramirez just 0:01:46.890 --> 0:01:51.050 had a classic Jose Ramirez game against the Chicago White Sox. 0:01:51.090 --> 0:01:53.690 He definitely took over the second half of this game, 0:01:53.750 --> 0:01:56.040 and the way that the White Sox used their pitchers 0:01:56.080 --> 0:01:59.760 today raises questions on what the pitching plan is for 0:01:59.940 --> 0:02:04.520 Game 4, and we don't know the time for Game 4, 0:02:04.520 --> 0:02:07.300 and we'll explain that later as it really depends on 0:02:07.340 --> 0:02:11.120 how the Rays and Yankees game goes today. the Bronx 0:02:11.160 --> 0:02:15.100 but joining me is Sox machines managing editor Jim Margulis 0:02:15.340 --> 0:02:17.720 and Jim we were hoping this would be a very 0:02:17.820 --> 0:02:20.869 festive show that the White Sox would end up sweeping 0:02:20.930 --> 0:02:24.630 Cleveland the good news is is that history is still 0:02:24.669 --> 0:02:27.269 on the White Sox side we have not seen a 0:02:27.310 --> 0:02:29.750 team lose the first two home games of a five-game 0:02:29.810 --> 0:02:33.040 series and come back to win it since the 2015 0:02:33.040 --> 0:02:35.840 Toronto Blue Jays so the Cleveland Guardians have a lot 0:02:35.880 --> 0:02:39.530 of work to do but man on the pitching front, 0:02:39.550 --> 0:02:41.549 I think that's going to be the big storyline for 0:02:41.570 --> 0:02:45.050 the white socks other than Sean Newcomb. And I guess 0:02:45.070 --> 0:02:48.250 he can make an argument for Noah Schultz. No one 0:02:48.290 --> 0:02:50.450 pitched well for the white socks today. That was a 0:02:50.510 --> 0:02:51.230 big factor. 0:02:52.950 --> 0:02:55.930 Yeah. Uh, we'd been trying to figure out when it 0:02:56.050 --> 0:03:00.320 comes to the white socks options after Sean Burke for 0:03:00.380 --> 0:03:05.000 pitching either starts or pseudo starts, uh, Big bulk work 0:03:05.680 --> 0:03:07.880 was really hard to figure out who is their best option. 0:03:07.940 --> 0:03:10.730 And like that best option continues to be Eric Fetty 0:03:11.470 --> 0:03:14.050 against considerable odds, partially because he didn't pitch tonight. So 0:03:14.190 --> 0:03:18.320 it's a case where, you know, he was lucky to 0:03:18.419 --> 0:03:21.460 have not participated in this one. So, you know, his 0:03:21.540 --> 0:03:25.359 esteem only grows from there. You know, guilt by association. 0:03:26.150 --> 0:03:28.870 But yeah, it was a case where you could see, 0:03:28.889 --> 0:03:31.650 I guess Tyler Davis pitched okay, too. He had a 0:03:31.770 --> 0:03:35.950 bumpy inning, but for a guy of his standing and 0:03:36.070 --> 0:03:38.150 low leverage type, the fact that he pitched a scoreless 0:03:38.170 --> 0:03:41.190 inning when nobody else did aside from Sean Newcomb, or 0:03:41.210 --> 0:03:44.250 a scoreless outing, I should say, you at least tip 0:03:44.270 --> 0:03:47.730 your cap to him for that. Yeah, it's just, this 0:03:47.770 --> 0:03:51.810 was the rockiest part of The White Sox pitching plan, 0:03:51.850 --> 0:03:53.590 I guess, if you're going to go for an entire 0:03:53.630 --> 0:03:55.750 bullpen game, and they kind of managed this one more 0:03:55.770 --> 0:03:59.990 like a game four than I would have anticipated. I 0:04:00.030 --> 0:04:01.790 thought it might have more of a game three look 0:04:01.810 --> 0:04:04.450 when they're up 2-0, where it's a case where, okay, 0:04:04.490 --> 0:04:06.910 Sean Newcomb opens, and then a bulk person takes over, 0:04:06.960 --> 0:04:10.980 whether it's Eric Fetty, whether it's David Sandlin, Davis Martin, 0:04:11.180 --> 0:04:12.680 even Noah Schultz, the way they use him. If they 0:04:12.720 --> 0:04:14.740 wanted to go lefty heavy, that was a perfect time 0:04:14.760 --> 0:04:17.900 to use Noah Schultz for three-plus innings to see what 0:04:17.920 --> 0:04:21.349 he could do, but to... make it all about lefty 0:04:21.370 --> 0:04:24.090 relievers early and going from Newcomb to Hudson struck me 0:04:24.190 --> 0:04:27.190 as a little bit, you know, and this is a 0:04:27.190 --> 0:04:29.330 case where we can look at it reflects or, you know, 0:04:29.470 --> 0:04:32.230 after the fact and say, you know, it looks panicked, 0:04:32.330 --> 0:04:34.910 but the, the problem with these bullpen games is, you know, 0:04:34.970 --> 0:04:37.490 one reliever after another is like every reliever, if he 0:04:37.510 --> 0:04:41.410 allows the run, that reliever failed. And so it's a case, 0:04:41.450 --> 0:04:43.610 you know, if Noah Schultz gives up one run over 0:04:43.650 --> 0:04:46.750 three innings, that's a decent job. When a reliever gives 0:04:46.810 --> 0:04:49.000 up one run, the only, inning they worked or in 0:04:49.040 --> 0:04:51.520 case of hudson three runs it's uh not getting the 0:04:51.560 --> 0:04:54.580 job done and just you know you can stack uh 0:04:54.640 --> 0:04:56.860 pitchers to where it's a case where you know you 0:04:56.880 --> 0:04:59.160 get to that game three scenario in 2020 of just 0:04:59.200 --> 0:05:02.620 like it feels like everybody's failing and uh that's i 0:05:02.680 --> 0:05:04.960 think uh yeah it doesn't inspire a lot of confidence 0:05:05.000 --> 0:05:07.970 so uh yeah i guess we'll get into the third inning. 0:05:07.810 --> 0:05:11.740 Now right yeah Yeah, let's talk about the third inning 0:05:11.750 --> 0:05:14.360 because as we bring up the win probability graph for 0:05:14.400 --> 0:05:18.539 today's game, that's when it goes, not so much we 0:05:18.620 --> 0:05:23.020 like Sarah Lane, it's just a launching point for Cleveland 0:05:23.480 --> 0:05:27.000 as the Guardians ended up scoring four runs in that inning. 0:05:27.060 --> 0:05:30.920 And Brian Hudson started that inning and it just completely 0:05:30.980 --> 0:05:34.130 collapsed on the White Sox as Hudson's only able to 0:05:34.170 --> 0:05:36.549 get one out. He allowed two hits. He walked a batter. 0:05:37.100 --> 0:05:39.480 And then Hagan Smith comes in and he tries to 0:05:39.640 --> 0:05:43.520 beat Joe Adele with a high fastball. But Adele hits 0:05:43.560 --> 0:05:49.810 this slowish medium speed grounder because the infield was pulled 0:05:50.570 --> 0:05:53.890 or shifted to pull. It just went right down the 0:05:53.930 --> 0:05:57.390 first baseline and not that far away from Murakami. I'm wondering, Jim, 0:05:57.430 --> 0:06:00.630 if Murakami was just playing at his normal spot, if 0:06:00.650 --> 0:06:01.690 he's able to field this. 0:06:02.470 --> 0:06:03.789 It was 101 miles per hour. Yeah. 0:06:05.070 --> 0:06:06.380 Yeah. on the ground. 0:06:06.580 --> 0:06:09.080 I don't know where it was just case where it 0:06:09.100 --> 0:06:10.160 had enough to get all the way to the right 0:06:10.180 --> 0:06:11.080 field corner on the ground. 0:06:11.140 --> 0:06:14.219 So like, yeah, I still think Murakami maybe could have 0:06:14.240 --> 0:06:16.260 stopped it if he was playing normal, but I understand 0:06:16.279 --> 0:06:18.560 why the white socks shifted to pull. I totally understand 0:06:18.600 --> 0:06:21.120 it's Joe Adele, but it ended up being a three 0:06:21.170 --> 0:06:24.410 run triple and the guardians took a commanding four to 0:06:24.589 --> 0:06:28.450 one lead and just really a gut punch to the, 0:06:28.529 --> 0:06:32.430 the white socks efforts. And I guess when it comes 0:06:32.450 --> 0:06:35.109 to the third inning, Jim, I kind of zero on 0:06:35.130 --> 0:06:38.110 a Brian Hudson. Hudson's a great pitcher to have during 0:06:38.130 --> 0:06:41.530 the regular season. He does a good job of being 0:06:41.550 --> 0:06:45.799 able to work multiple types of games. He's open. He's 0:06:45.810 --> 0:06:47.979 been the middle relief guy for the white socks. He's 0:06:48.040 --> 0:06:51.080 picked up saves. He's got to get through 162 game season, 0:06:51.640 --> 0:06:55.060 but come the post season, I don't know what his 0:06:55.100 --> 0:06:58.070 go-to pitch is to get a strikeout. And he does 0:06:58.130 --> 0:07:02.260 allow a lot of contact. And that makes me uneasy 0:07:02.279 --> 0:07:07.530 to see Brian Hudson in playoff situations. So that's kind 0:07:07.550 --> 0:07:09.710 of where I'm a little uneasy. And Hagan Smith did 0:07:09.750 --> 0:07:12.910 not look sharp coming in relief as the break glass 0:07:12.950 --> 0:07:16.540 in case of emergency situation pitcher. But from your perspective, 0:07:17.140 --> 0:07:19.220 how did the third inning unfold for the White Sox? 0:07:21.160 --> 0:07:25.840 Hudson's a tricky guy to evaluate because theoretically he should 0:07:25.920 --> 0:07:29.670 be a decent matchup against the Guardians because he throws 0:07:29.700 --> 0:07:33.770 strikes and makes them, you know, hit them hard. And, 0:07:33.790 --> 0:07:39.070 you know, he's had this weird second half. He had 0:07:39.090 --> 0:07:42.880 the stretch of 11 games, scoreless outings, 12 and third inning, 0:07:43.330 --> 0:07:46.420 no walks, no runs, eight strikeouts, kind of a classic 0:07:46.440 --> 0:07:49.120 Brian Hudson heater. But then the last four outings of 0:07:49.140 --> 0:07:52.340 the season, Three of them were disasters where he doesn't 0:07:52.360 --> 0:07:54.700 even complete an inning. He gives up nine runs over 0:07:54.720 --> 0:07:57.560 his final two and a third. That's good for a 0:07:57.560 --> 0:08:01.900 30-86 ERA. Again, no walks. He didn't walk anybody. I'm 0:08:01.940 --> 0:08:07.750 looking at what his walk list streak was. It goes 0:08:07.810 --> 0:08:10.810 back to July 26th. He had one walk over his 0:08:10.850 --> 0:08:15.690 last 25 appearances. He's somebody who, if he's going right 0:08:15.710 --> 0:08:17.710 or if he's locating or if they're just not ready 0:08:17.730 --> 0:08:20.000 for it, it's a case where maybe it's a good 0:08:20.020 --> 0:08:22.380 match for the guardians because he's not hunting strikeouts. He's 0:08:22.400 --> 0:08:24.720 just letting them make contact and their contact typically isn't 0:08:24.760 --> 0:08:27.820 that strong. So maybe you can get a quick inning, 0:08:27.840 --> 0:08:29.500 like maybe get an eight pitch inning and you see 0:08:29.520 --> 0:08:32.240 where you go from there. But the guy who got 0:08:32.320 --> 0:08:36.699 lit up over the final four outings shows the downside, 0:08:36.760 --> 0:08:39.090 which is like you said, he doesn't miss bats. And 0:08:39.140 --> 0:08:42.650 so if they're able to, and in the case of 0:08:42.670 --> 0:08:44.770 Hudson too, he has reverse splits left. He saw him 0:08:44.790 --> 0:08:47.939 just fine. So if he's facing a lineup full of 0:08:48.000 --> 0:08:50.780 lefties who are able to direct the ball, hit them 0:08:50.800 --> 0:08:52.980 where they're not, or just feel comfortable with like, well, 0:08:53.000 --> 0:08:54.240 if he pitches me away, I'm going to poke the 0:08:54.280 --> 0:08:56.340 right field or he doesn't pitch with that much velocity. 0:08:56.400 --> 0:08:59.600 I can maybe pull them. And, you know, perhaps it's 0:08:59.679 --> 0:09:02.059 a case where, you know, over the last five outings 0:09:02.100 --> 0:09:04.730 where he's not his best or he's not a sharpest that, 0:09:04.750 --> 0:09:08.510 you know, doesn't have the, you know, freshest stuff, you know, 0:09:08.530 --> 0:09:11.030 perhaps it can go wrong on him, but yeah, to 0:09:11.070 --> 0:09:13.429 your point of just not being a high leverage guy 0:09:13.450 --> 0:09:17.410 or not being somebody who has a, you know, because 0:09:17.429 --> 0:09:19.970 of the reverse splits doesn't necessarily have the easiest use 0:09:19.990 --> 0:09:22.309 case of, oh, it's line of lefties. I'm going to 0:09:22.350 --> 0:09:24.490 go to Brian Hudson or it's line of righties. I'm 0:09:24.510 --> 0:09:26.790 going to count on Brian Hudson's reverse splits holding up 0:09:26.890 --> 0:09:28.469 when I can go to a righty. You know, that's 0:09:28.490 --> 0:09:30.910 where it's kind of tricky. I can kind of see 0:09:30.960 --> 0:09:32.860 the point using them, but, you know, just the way 0:09:32.920 --> 0:09:36.319 his season ended and then the way this outing went, 0:09:36.480 --> 0:09:38.900 you know, it's been now four or five rough outings 0:09:38.940 --> 0:09:41.640 for Hudson and just hitting a cold stretch at The 0:09:41.660 --> 0:09:44.059 worst possible time, I guess you learn from it in 0:09:44.080 --> 0:09:46.720 the case of, you know, you have two more chances 0:09:46.760 --> 0:09:49.260 to clinch. And so maybe you don't go to Hudson 0:09:49.320 --> 0:09:52.670 in that same kind of situation at any point in 0:09:52.670 --> 0:09:55.880 games four or five. But it was a tough, uh, 0:09:55.940 --> 0:09:56.620 tough way to learn. 0:09:57.580 --> 0:10:00.200 And Hagan Smith. I mean, he's been so sharp for 0:10:00.220 --> 0:10:02.520 the white socks, but in his last two innings against 0:10:02.590 --> 0:10:07.160 the guardians, he's got five outs, uh, inning and two thirds, 0:10:07.780 --> 0:10:10.440 five walks, like the walks are starting to pick up 0:10:10.500 --> 0:10:13.160 again for Hagan Smith and the guardians are starting to 0:10:13.200 --> 0:10:16.730 read him well. And they've been making some pretty good adjustments. Uh, 0:10:16.740 --> 0:10:18.839 Hagan Smith was able to get a strikeout to end 0:10:18.860 --> 0:10:21.720 that third inning, but yeah, the third inning was really disastrous, 0:10:21.760 --> 0:10:22.319 but yeah. 0:10:22.400 --> 0:10:26.420 And the, the case of that high fastball, uh, pitch 0:10:26.460 --> 0:10:29.000 called Adele too. That's like been a Kyle Teal thing 0:10:29.040 --> 0:10:32.160 of like really liking the high fastball with two strikes. 0:10:32.260 --> 0:10:35.319 And that played a period started with Adele having an ugly, 0:10:35.340 --> 0:10:38.200 you know, unsuccessful check swing on a slider in the dirt. 0:10:38.760 --> 0:10:40.260 And it was a one, two count. So it was 0:10:40.300 --> 0:10:43.489 very much a questionable pitch call there in terms of 0:10:43.550 --> 0:10:46.570 if you're one strike away, you do have first base 0:10:46.670 --> 0:10:49.410 open and you do have a way to get them 0:10:49.429 --> 0:10:51.710 to chase. And if he doesn't chase, then you have 0:10:51.730 --> 0:10:54.330 a lefty lefty matchup and just, you know, and it's, 0:10:55.570 --> 0:10:59.320 been one of, I think, frustrations with Sean Newcomb with 0:10:59.360 --> 0:11:02.380 Kyle Teal liking the high fastball so often. And that's 0:11:02.420 --> 0:11:05.380 a case where you can keep, you know, keep looking 0:11:05.400 --> 0:11:08.120 at him, mashing that button and feel like he's kind 0:11:08.140 --> 0:11:09.920 of going away from what hitters are telling him. 0:11:10.340 --> 0:11:12.700 Well, isn't this like a Walker McKinnon thing? Like Walker 0:11:12.720 --> 0:11:14.840 McKinnon took over the catchers. If the pitchers are not 0:11:14.900 --> 0:11:18.870 comfortable throwing high fastballs, I got to imagine that in 0:11:18.900 --> 0:11:21.950 your pregame meeting that this could be sorted out. Maybe 0:11:22.010 --> 0:11:25.469 guys just need to talk. Hagan doesn't really have like 0:11:25.530 --> 0:11:28.610 the type of arsenal to, to blow guys by with 0:11:28.650 --> 0:11:31.309 a high fastball. It is really all about trying to 0:11:31.330 --> 0:11:35.640 get into position to throw that wicked slider and It's 0:11:35.660 --> 0:11:37.780 the variations that he has, whether it sweeps in on 0:11:37.820 --> 0:11:41.000 the inside on you or it drops out of the zone. 0:11:41.080 --> 0:11:43.490 I just don't recall him ever really beating a whole 0:11:43.530 --> 0:11:46.070 lot of batters up and out of the strike zone. 0:11:46.610 --> 0:11:48.970 This is the kind of thing that leads to pitches 0:11:49.010 --> 0:11:52.910 being called from the dugout. It sure does. It sure does. 0:11:52.950 --> 0:11:54.410 Which I don't like. I don't like that at all. 0:11:54.470 --> 0:11:55.800 I don't like that either. Yeah. 0:11:56.240 --> 0:11:56.819 I don't like that. 0:11:57.980 --> 0:11:59.320 Not the way baseball should be played. 0:12:00.520 --> 0:12:03.240 It's played like that at college and college is used 0:12:03.260 --> 0:12:04.980 to that. That's what they did at Virginia when he 0:12:05.020 --> 0:12:08.260 was there. And maybe they do need to call pitches 0:12:08.540 --> 0:12:11.920 out of the dugout based on the pitching stats today. 0:12:12.120 --> 0:12:14.700 And this is really ugly. And I think this is 0:12:14.740 --> 0:12:17.280 the big part of the story here. You know, the 0:12:17.330 --> 0:12:21.970 White Sox allowed the pitchers allowed 11 hits, 10 walks. 0:12:22.030 --> 0:12:25.470 I mean, 21 base runners today, Jim. And they only 0:12:25.530 --> 0:12:29.810 struck out six guardians batters. Like when you, when you 0:12:29.830 --> 0:12:34.150 allow 21 base runners, yeah, you're going to allow nine runs. 0:12:35.070 --> 0:12:37.050 That's not even 50% of the base runners that ended 0:12:37.070 --> 0:12:42.020 up scoring for the guardians today. Just a really ugly number. 0:12:42.260 --> 0:12:45.320 And offensively, we could talk about this later, but yeah, 0:12:45.360 --> 0:12:48.280 that 19 strikeout number for the white socks is just, 0:12:48.720 --> 0:12:50.579 it's just crazy. I mean, for the guardians, 10 walks 0:12:50.600 --> 0:12:54.290 to six strikeouts today. offensively for the White Sox offense, 0:12:54.290 --> 0:12:57.900 19 strikeouts at three walks. So yeah, this should have 0:12:57.940 --> 0:13:02.179 been a laugher just based on those stats. But the 0:13:02.179 --> 0:13:05.620 10 walks, Jeb, I think that also complicates matters on 0:13:05.660 --> 0:13:08.750 how the pitching plan. We'll talk about this in the 0:13:08.809 --> 0:13:11.429 next segment, what the pitching plan is for game four 0:13:11.510 --> 0:13:14.560 for the White Sox. But Yeah, just up and down 0:13:14.620 --> 0:13:17.830 the line. Like even David Sandlin and Davis Martin, those 0:13:17.870 --> 0:13:20.770 were not very competitive innings for both of those guys. 0:13:20.830 --> 0:13:23.390 And I'm just wondering, is it just too much time 0:13:23.570 --> 0:13:25.729 off if they're just uncertain or didn't have a good 0:13:25.770 --> 0:13:27.679 game plan when they were going to be used today? 0:13:28.040 --> 0:13:30.840 So it's really hard for them to get ready. I'm 0:13:30.900 --> 0:13:34.679 not sure what needs to happen between now and everybody 0:13:34.700 --> 0:13:37.680 showing up to rate field tomorrow for game four. Uh, 0:13:37.730 --> 0:13:40.010 but this is something that definitely needs to be addressed 0:13:40.050 --> 0:13:43.230 because Venable said it before the series started, Jim, we 0:13:43.270 --> 0:13:46.010 can't walk the guardians. If we walk the guardians, we're 0:13:46.030 --> 0:13:47.730 going to get burned and they got burned today. 0:13:49.429 --> 0:13:51.469 Yeah, I guess the hope is one, you know, the 0:13:51.510 --> 0:13:54.930 rust component of just not pitching and then being asked 0:13:54.970 --> 0:13:57.910 to pitch in not the most familiar roles late in 0:13:57.929 --> 0:14:00.870 the game. It's already out of hand and just feeling like, uh, 0:14:00.970 --> 0:14:04.729 every mistake you make, um, you know, leads to possible, uh, 0:14:07.040 --> 0:14:09.280 disaster or the game getting pushed out of reach. And 0:14:09.360 --> 0:14:11.710 so you pitch even more tentatively than you used to. 0:14:11.750 --> 0:14:13.850 And just, it could be a bunch of factors all 0:14:14.990 --> 0:14:19.770 kind of coalescing into two bad late innings. And, you know, 0:14:19.850 --> 0:14:23.880 probably the big picture takeaway or, or the big picture 0:14:23.890 --> 0:14:26.140 thing to keep in mind is like, it's one loss. 0:14:26.300 --> 0:14:28.880 They kind of, If you want to try to spin 0:14:28.920 --> 0:14:31.880 it positively or at least say that, you know, the 0:14:31.900 --> 0:14:33.800 White Sox have done this before, you're kind of putting 0:14:33.980 --> 0:14:35.920 all of your bad baseball that you haven't played yet 0:14:37.110 --> 0:14:39.630 at all in the postseason into one game or at 0:14:39.670 --> 0:14:43.690 least one half game into three innings. And you can say, like, 0:14:44.290 --> 0:14:45.970 you know, that they were due to play that kind 0:14:46.010 --> 0:14:49.530 of game. The Guardians have agency. They actually won the 0:14:49.570 --> 0:14:51.270 Central by a game. Like, this has been a tight 0:14:51.330 --> 0:14:54.630 season series the entire way. White Sox won it 7-6. 0:14:54.650 --> 0:14:57.320 They outscored the Guardians by one run on the entire season. 0:14:57.980 --> 0:15:01.780 So you have to anticipate that the Guardians, you know, 0:15:01.880 --> 0:15:04.200 will make it tough on the White Sox at some point. 0:15:04.820 --> 0:15:07.680 They didn't really do that in Game 1. They did 0:15:07.700 --> 0:15:09.610 in Game 2, but the White Sox prevailed. So this 0:15:09.630 --> 0:15:12.570 is the pendulum swinging the other way. And if you 0:15:12.590 --> 0:15:14.970 contain it into one game, you have some teachable moments 0:15:14.990 --> 0:15:17.170 along the way for Venable, but also like Kyle Teal 0:15:17.240 --> 0:15:19.940 losing two challenges in the same inning and leaving him 0:15:19.960 --> 0:15:22.040 without challenges the rest of the game. The White Sox 0:15:22.080 --> 0:15:25.410 challenge room. with a very confusing challenge on a catcher 0:15:25.450 --> 0:15:30.510 interference that was really kind of boneheaded. A lot of 0:15:30.530 --> 0:15:34.619 mistakes made in the dugout, in some rooms in the clubhouse, 0:15:34.980 --> 0:15:38.040 or at least in the tunnel, also on the field, 0:15:38.260 --> 0:15:40.620 on the mound. A lot of mistakes being made, and 0:15:40.800 --> 0:15:42.880 if Venable wants to say, like, this is why you 0:15:42.900 --> 0:15:45.940 don't walk, guys, they got a reminder. Uh, but it's 0:15:46.000 --> 0:15:47.960 also like, if they're going to make mistakes like this, 0:15:48.080 --> 0:15:51.240 this was the day to make them up to, oh, uh, 0:15:51.280 --> 0:15:52.860 you disappoint a lot of fans who are hoping for 0:15:52.880 --> 0:15:56.400 a coronation, but in terms of the, the, the, the 0:15:56.460 --> 0:16:00.270 cost of this, it's as low of a cost as 0:16:00.350 --> 0:16:02.130 it's going to be at any point in October. You 0:16:02.150 --> 0:16:05.380 just hope that they can regroup and. the regular season 0:16:05.440 --> 0:16:07.480 shows that they were able to regroup from a ton 0:16:07.500 --> 0:16:11.590 of ugly games because this was a ragtag group, especially 0:16:11.610 --> 0:16:14.370 in the pitching staff that had games like this. You 0:16:14.390 --> 0:16:19.440 would hope that they apply those lessons. You look at 0:16:19.460 --> 0:16:23.080 the bright side, which is They did mount some threats offensively. 0:16:23.260 --> 0:16:25.100 They could have closed the game and brought the high 0:16:25.140 --> 0:16:29.290 leverage guys into play. The Guardians used Cade Smith for 0:16:29.330 --> 0:16:32.870 two innings, second inning being a six run lead. That 0:16:32.950 --> 0:16:36.710 can't hurt. So there are some positives to pull away. 0:16:36.790 --> 0:16:39.520 And the negatives that were many are ones where you 0:16:39.560 --> 0:16:41.920 think like, well, let's see if they do it two 0:16:41.940 --> 0:16:43.800 games in a row, because that's been the pattern of 0:16:43.860 --> 0:16:46.040 just being able to rebound and dust themselves off. 0:16:46.920 --> 0:16:48.360 We are going to take a quick break for a 0:16:48.380 --> 0:16:50.320 word from our sponsors, but coming up next in the 0:16:50.360 --> 0:16:53.960 postgame show, we're going to be giving Jose Ramirez his flowers. 0:16:53.980 --> 0:16:57.260 He had a classic performance against the White Sox today. 0:16:58.040 --> 0:16:58.520 Mercy. 0:16:59.100 --> 0:17:01.180 Take a look at what the White Sox possible plan 0:17:01.300 --> 0:17:05.310 is for their pitching in game four and talk about 0:17:05.730 --> 0:17:09.469 what time the White Sox could be pitching or playing 0:17:09.510 --> 0:17:13.750 game four tomorrow. 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And we said that we were going to 0:19:26.109 --> 0:19:29.609 give Jose Ramirez his flowers and Jim, he just absolutely 0:19:29.630 --> 0:19:34.210 took over this game. A big double that scored two runs. 0:19:34.250 --> 0:19:39.189 He also had a run scoring triple. And when it 0:19:39.250 --> 0:19:42.669 appeared that Hunter Gattis was really in hot water with 0:19:42.690 --> 0:19:45.470 the bases loaded two outs and Miguel Vargas worked the 0:19:45.510 --> 0:19:49.970 count full, Vargas hit the ball hard, but Jose Ramirez 0:19:50.190 --> 0:19:54.390 made a fantastic defensive play that if he doesn't make 0:19:54.430 --> 0:19:56.970 that play, Vargas ties the game and it's five to 0:19:57.040 --> 0:20:01.060 five and maybe it ends differently than what we saw today, 0:20:01.170 --> 0:20:04.500 nine to three. But man, when the game was getting 0:20:04.540 --> 0:20:08.139 tight and the White Sox were mounting a comeback and 0:20:09.570 --> 0:20:13.979 I guess, poking away the lead for Cleveland. It's Jose 0:20:14.020 --> 0:20:17.260 Ramirez who comes through once again, like we have seen 0:20:17.300 --> 0:20:22.800 throughout his entire career in Cleveland. And that's annoying because 0:20:22.840 --> 0:20:25.159 with this habit injury, I was hoping that for at 0:20:25.270 --> 0:20:28.050 least one more month, Jim did not need to worry 0:20:28.070 --> 0:20:31.330 about prime Jose Ramirez, but I guess prime Jose Ramirez 0:20:31.369 --> 0:20:31.970 is still around. 0:20:33.440 --> 0:20:36.580 Yeah, you have to respect the body of work. You know, 0:20:36.640 --> 0:20:39.139 the triple as well struck the double wasn't. It was 0:20:39.160 --> 0:20:43.790 just well placed and Randall Gritchick's legs couldn't get there. But, 0:20:43.810 --> 0:20:47.070 you know, the White Sox pitched to him. Yeah, they've 0:20:47.670 --> 0:20:50.750 pitched to him okay this year. Ramirez had a down year. 0:20:51.490 --> 0:20:53.430