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Speaker 1: Hello, what's your name, Wes Wesh? What's going on with you? Wes?
Speaker 3: Well, I'm I'm laying on the couch, uh, recovering some surgery.
Speaker 1: Oh, what kind of surgery?
Speaker 3: Did you get oh I had a vsectam.
Speaker 1: You had a vasectom yep? And how is how are
Speaker 1: how are your balls? The vasectomy is in the balls?
Speaker 3: Right? Yeah? Yeah. What they do is they just snip, snip,
Speaker 3: and then you have no swimmers.
Speaker 1: So how long How long does the surgery take?
Speaker 3: I mean it's more of a procedure. It's like ten,
Speaker 3: ten to fifteen minutes.
Speaker 1: Okay, you know, look percee. Okay, so it's a procedure.
Speaker 1: It sounds surgical. They're going, they're cutting open your ball
Speaker 1: and they're like they take a This is how this
Speaker 1: is in my mind. Whatever sect to me is they
Speaker 1: cut your balls open and they take like a hose
Speaker 1: and they basically do liposuction on your balls. But for come,
Speaker 1: how how medically accurate is that? On a scale from
Speaker 1: one to ten?
Speaker 3: That's probably like, you know, you had everything except the
Speaker 3: going in part, like you know, like accurate, but then
Speaker 3: once you're inside it is all wrong.
Speaker 1: Okay, so they do they do make an incision on
Speaker 1: your ball. I mean I assume you were asleep for this,
Speaker 1: unless if you were like no, no, keep me awake.
Speaker 3: I want to know. No, you're not You're you're awake.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're awake.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yep. You're sitting there with your legs open while
Speaker 3: urologist does this to you.
Speaker 1: Really so they make an ensue where do they make
Speaker 1: the incision?
Speaker 3: It's like right down the middle, right.
Speaker 1: Down the middle of your but like of your taints
Speaker 1: or of your.
Speaker 3: Balls, of your balls.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you were awake when somebody sliced your balls open?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: How was that sounds really painful? Well?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean you have you're you're you're kind of
Speaker 3: sitting there and then they like pull the tube that
Speaker 3: connects your your ball, you know, the the the vast
Speaker 3: difference of the sperm duct, I guess, and like they
Speaker 3: pulled that out through the hole and then cut it,
Speaker 3: cauterize each end, put that one back, and then do
Speaker 3: the other side.
Speaker 1: Okay, and it only took like ten minutes. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: was it simple enough that after watching them do it
Speaker 1: on you, you felt like, you know, you could do
Speaker 1: it successfully on somebody else.
Speaker 3: I mean no, because it's like I feel comfortable that
Speaker 3: I did my own research. But I think, yeah, based
Speaker 3: off of that, I just felt, you know, like I
Speaker 3: did a lot of research myself, so that made me
Speaker 3: more comfortable with the procedure, I think.
Speaker 1: Now with you being awake, you know, when I was
Speaker 1: like a kid, I mean even now, like when I
Speaker 1: get a shot or like when they prick my finger
Speaker 1: or something, I don't like to look. I look away.
Speaker 1: Did you look did you watch them cut your balls open?
Speaker 1: Or did you look away? Like did they have like
Speaker 1: a TV or something?
Speaker 3: So, you know, like the exam table in the doctor's
Speaker 3: office was like the great the you know whatever the
Speaker 3: paper on it, mm hmm. That's basically what you're you're
Speaker 3: sitting on. So you just lay back and look at
Speaker 3: the ceiling or whatever while this is going on.
Speaker 1: What were you thinking about? Like do you remember the
Speaker 1: actual thoughts going on in your head while this was happening?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I do. Oh god, oh god, ow whoa wait,
Speaker 3: at what point?
Speaker 1: At what point in the procedure did you go whoa?
Speaker 3: I think that was when they injected the numbing agent
Speaker 3: into that tube and it like activated that whole fainting response.
Speaker 3: It like shot right up my back and I like
Speaker 3: started a saint.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, so it like it kind of it shook
Speaker 1: you a little bit and that made you let out
Speaker 1: the glass okay exactly, And did you thank the doctor afterwards?
Speaker 3: You know, I think I think he just knew because
Speaker 3: the guy was like eighty five, and I was like,
Speaker 3: you know, he's he's probably way more of an expert
Speaker 3: than I would ever. I know, they didn't answer your question,
Speaker 3: but that.
Speaker 1: Sort of answered that sort of answered my question. Do
Speaker 1: they numb the area before they cut your balls open?
Speaker 1: Or they just go for it?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, it gets numbed. M hmm, Sophie. It's supposed
Speaker 3: to be a painless procedure, but it's not not for
Speaker 3: some people, I guess.
Speaker 1: And when did this happen? When was this all taking place?
Speaker 3: Oh, a couple of days ago. Actually, how are you?
Speaker 1: How are your balls feeling now?
Speaker 3: Like they need eternal rest?
Speaker 1: Really? So it's still pretty pretty fucked up down there?
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, it's not like fucked up, fucked up,
Speaker 3: but it's just like sore, you know. It feels like
Speaker 3: you're recovering from a really bad kick in the ball.
Speaker 3: Mm hmmm.
Speaker 1: All right, So let's I want to talk about this
Speaker 1: stuff around the procedure. What made you want to get
Speaker 1: a sect to me?
Speaker 3: Oh? Well, we had welcomed our second kid, uh into
Speaker 3: the wild two days after my birthday mm hmm. And yeah,
Speaker 3: we kind of just knew, like we were not going
Speaker 3: to have any more kids because it's a lot for
Speaker 3: you know, when they're close together. Our kids are close together.
Speaker 3: But beside the point, it was the least invasive overall
Speaker 3: form of permanent birth control.
Speaker 1: Mm. Okay, Okay, now does it. I'm still I still
Speaker 1: have medical questions for you. I always thought and I
Speaker 1: never like this was when I was I don't know,
Speaker 1: maybe like in high school whatever. I always thought that
Speaker 1: of vasectomy, like like when you come, like nothing comes out,
Speaker 1: and as an adult, I never confirmed or denied that.
Speaker 1: So you you can still come.
Speaker 3: Yeah, of course, yeah, because that's not it's just like
Speaker 3: you're the only thing you're doing is you're cutting off
Speaker 3: one of the ingredients to the cocktail. Okay, but so
Speaker 3: nothing changes, nothing at all except that you're sterile.
Speaker 1: Okay, And you know what, look by the way I
Speaker 1: think this, this sounds like it was a well thought
Speaker 1: out decision because you had two already, and I don't
Speaker 1: and no offense to anyone who has more than two kids,
Speaker 1: but I can't I don't know what would be added
Speaker 1: to your life by having more than two kids.
Speaker 3: I mean, I guess one of the positives is that
Speaker 3: they could all raise each other, right, so you don't
Speaker 3: have to really do much. But that wasn't our modus operandi.
Speaker 1: I feel like a baby raising a baby would both
Speaker 1: of the babies would die immediately.
Speaker 3: Well, but that's why you need like fourteen kids back
Speaker 3: to back, so like as you're mom and them out,
Speaker 3: they're all cared for by the oldest, you know, you.
Speaker 1: Know, Okay, you're actually I kind of like where you're
Speaker 1: going at with this, because you're right. I think I
Speaker 1: think two babies would just die immediately, but fourteen babies
Speaker 1: put them all in like a pin, kind of like
Speaker 1: rug rats. They'd figure something, they'd kind of figure it out.
Speaker 3: Probably, Yeah, I mean, I you know, who knows that
Speaker 3: would be Stanford material.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think this conversation is making it to Stanford.
Speaker 1: But what Okay, So, so you how is things going
Speaker 1: with the two kids? How old are the two kids
Speaker 1: that you have now?
Speaker 3: Well, one of them are oldest, she is a year well,
Speaker 3: oh yeah, so year and six buckers year and a half,
Speaker 3: a little.
Speaker 1: Over a year and a half, year and a half, okay.
Speaker 3: And then the youngest was born this past January.
Speaker 1: Okay, month old. So they're only they only have like
Speaker 1: a year age gap pretty much.
Speaker 3: Uh, sixteen months.
Speaker 1: Sixteen months, okay, that's that's a year when they when
Speaker 1: when they are both like when they're like thirteen and fourteen,
Speaker 1: they're not going to be saying sixteen months, they'll be like,
Speaker 1: he's a year. Although, wait a minute, so that means
Speaker 1: that there's gonna be a wait a minute, that means
Speaker 1: that there's gonna be a four months.
Speaker 3: Do you want to know something crazy about this? Do
Speaker 3: you want to look crazy?
Speaker 1: Sure?
Speaker 3: Okay, So our oldest was born in September, and my
Speaker 3: sister was born in September, and then our youngest was
Speaker 3: born in January and I was born in January. So
Speaker 3: our kids are the exact same d like within a
Speaker 3: couple of days, one or two days off of the
Speaker 3: exact same birthdays that my parents had, which is not
Speaker 3: like something that we planned at all. It just happened
Speaker 3: this way.
Speaker 1: That would be kind of weird if you did plan it.
Speaker 3: No, yeah, yeah, but I mean I don't even know
Speaker 3: what you'd have to plan to plan that.
Speaker 1: I mean, you'd can see Eve nine months before your
Speaker 1: mom's birthday, but that would I was just saying it'd
Speaker 1: be strange if you were having sex with your wife
Speaker 1: and thinking about this is great because now we're gonna
Speaker 1: have a child on my mom's birthday.
Speaker 3: See. No, that never Yeah, that never happened.
Speaker 1: You have two children, they're both alive. There, they're only
Speaker 1: and the fact that they're only one year older, Thanny,
Speaker 1: that means that are they are they? You said, are
Speaker 1: they both? Are they both boys? There's a boy and
Speaker 1: a girl.
Speaker 3: It's a boy and a girl.
Speaker 1: Okay, So they're both gonna like be in like school together,
Speaker 1: and I assume I assume they'll be in the same
Speaker 1: like grade or like one's a grade above or the
Speaker 1: grade below.
Speaker 3: Yeah, probably a grade or two part.
Speaker 1: Okay, So they'll be in each other's lives sort of
Speaker 1: in in in the the social universe of school.
Speaker 3: Whether that's a good thing or a bad thing.
Speaker 1: I think it's a good I think it's a good thing.
Speaker 1: It's not it's good like when you go to my
Speaker 1: sister is Wait, when I was a freshman in high school,
Speaker 1: she was a we actually went to different high schools,
Speaker 1: but she was a senior when I was a freshman.
Speaker 1: I don't know it's it's I think it's probably a
Speaker 1: good thing to have, like an older sibling looking out
Speaker 1: for you, you know, when you're in school.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 1: Oh yes, what do you do? What do you do
Speaker 1: for work? How do you make money to make the
Speaker 1: children not die?
Speaker 3: Well? So my wife and I when we left college,
Speaker 3: we kind of had to figure out or we we
Speaker 3: decided to see wait and see who was making the
Speaker 3: most money.
Speaker 1: You decided to wait and see who was making the
Speaker 1: most money.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like getting jobs, you know, respectively, like in our
Speaker 3: own career paths, and who was the most promising or
Speaker 3: making the most amount of money or wanted, you know,
Speaker 3: particularly to be in a certain field or job or whatever,
Speaker 3: whoever had an inkling to stay there. Okay, And so
Speaker 3: long story short, she uh preferred to work. So I
Speaker 3: am the stay at home.
Speaker 1: Okay do you? Okay? So you don't you did you
Speaker 1: go what did you go to college?
Speaker 3: For computer science?
Speaker 1: Computer science? And you are you into that at all?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 1: Are you trying to find gigs? Coding things?
Speaker 3: Not right now? But I'm like, you know, I always
Speaker 3: look around. I'm looking but not following.
Speaker 1: Okay, she prefers to work. I don't know, you know, so,
Speaker 1: so I don't know which job sounds worse or more difficult.
Speaker 1: I mean, I bet they are both of their own things,
Speaker 1: but like staying at home with the kids, and there
Speaker 1: were the young they probably they need a lot of
Speaker 1: attention right now because they're like one and ship right yep, Okay,
Speaker 1: well this is you get a head start on imposing
Speaker 1: your own values onto them that she's not around for.
Speaker 3: I mean, that's not you know, to be honest, I
Speaker 3: don't think I have thought about that, but I think
Speaker 3: now that you said it, I will.
Speaker 1: They'll they'll grow when they when they grow up, they'll
Speaker 1: they'll they'll subconsciously trust you more.
Speaker 3: Oh no, I don't know about that.
Speaker 1: This right?
Speaker 3: Whoa my wife?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: What does she do?
Speaker 3: She is a software engineer.
Speaker 1: She's a software engineer. Okay, so both of you guys
Speaker 1: are computer nerds?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 1: Okay? And does she does she make enough money? That is,
Speaker 1: like she can you know, support all all three of
Speaker 1: you guys.
Speaker 3: Mostly?
Speaker 1: Yes, that's pretty good. That's pretty good. Somebody in the
Speaker 1: chat just said I thought he said he was a
Speaker 1: soft core engineer at first, which I guess would be softcore.
Speaker 1: That's just I don't know why I read that comment.
Speaker 1: All right, what's your name again? Well, Wes, I want
Speaker 1: what is there? I know we talked, we got I
Speaker 1: got to learn a little bit about your life and
Speaker 1: your balls and how they don't work anymore. What is
Speaker 1: there anything before? I want to know is there anything
Speaker 1: that you'd like specifically called in to want to talk
Speaker 1: about besides your balls?
Speaker 3: Hmmm? I wanted to talk about I mean, honestly, yeah,
Speaker 3: I know, I think we're just yeah, that's I didn't
Speaker 3: really have a particular reason. I just wanted to say
Speaker 3: hi and have a conversation with you.
Speaker 1: Do you think you will miss Well? Okay, so you
Speaker 1: you have not. Okay, it's only been two days. You
Speaker 1: have not come since the procedure, right, Why.
Speaker 3: Is that funny?
Speaker 1: Well, I mean the hold on wait okay, well we
Speaker 1: are this whole the thesis of this, this whole conversation,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say, is centered around your vasectomy. But
Speaker 1: it started from that, and so I'm going, I'm I'm
Speaker 1: I was just before we before I let you go,
Speaker 1: I was like, I have never got I actually don't
Speaker 1: think I've ever had the chance to talk to somebody
Speaker 1: who's had a sectomy. So I'm like, before I I
Speaker 1: want to know if I wanted, if I have any
Speaker 1: other questions, And that's the question that I had.
Speaker 3: No, that's fair, that's fair. So so they you can't
Speaker 3: do that until about a week after, Like you have
Speaker 3: to wait, dude, I.
Speaker 1: Bet it's gonna hurt really badly the first time you
Speaker 1: come after this.
Speaker 3: Oh, don't mean you think about it.
Speaker 1: Did your what did your doctors like, is it gonna
Speaker 1: did your doctor tell you anything about like how it'll
Speaker 1: feel different or is it gonna feel the same.
Speaker 3: Well, they said there's sometimes blood, but that's it.
Speaker 1: You said, that's it is. If that's not a lot.
Speaker 3: Probably gets you know. But I think if you know
Speaker 3: if it's coming or then.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess the way I'm I'm I'm having a
Speaker 1: lot of fun making in my own mind the the
Speaker 1: medical science of how vasectomy works. I think if their
Speaker 1: doctor tells you that you're gonna come blood, it's probably
Speaker 1: like there's a little bit of blood in your urethraw
Speaker 1: right now, and when you come, it'll like wash it
Speaker 1: out and then and then when you come afterwards, it'll
Speaker 1: be there won't be any more blood. It's just it's
Speaker 1: like left over. Is that how that works or how?
Speaker 3: I mean? Yeah, I thought about it too, and I
Speaker 3: feel like it would have to be you know, I
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 1: It's so much more fun to uh like come up
Speaker 1: with random ways that science might work that's based off
Speaker 1: of no research of any kind than it is to
Speaker 1: actually learn about this stuff, right, I guess so, I
Speaker 1: guess that's how the first like the very first people
Speaker 1: man imagine the first vasectom.
Speaker 3: Oh, well, I want to you know, it might have
Speaker 3: been unintentional, like getting kicked off by.
Speaker 1: A horse, right, and then the guy was like, I
Speaker 1: can now have sex as much as I want without
Speaker 1: creating babies. And he's like and he's like, you guys
Speaker 1: got to try this. All you gotta do is get
Speaker 1: kicked in the balls really hard by a horse. And
Speaker 1: that's probably how you feel right now, is that you've
Speaker 1: been partly hard on the balls of the horse.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then the second me clinic was born. You know,
Speaker 3: stand behind Bessie ten bucks of pop boom.
Speaker 1: Well, I think this conversation has going on for far
Speaker 1: too long, but I enjoyed having it very much.
Speaker 3: That's good. Good.
Speaker 1: Your name is Wes, correct, Wes yep, Wes. Well, Wes,
Speaker 1: is there anything else you want to say to me?
Speaker 1: Or God or or or bugs Bunny before we go,
Speaker 1: or the people?
Speaker 3: Okay, well, your body, your choice.
Speaker 1: You know that. I guess that is that is true?
Speaker 1: That it's like, that's like the men the male abortion.
Speaker 3: I don't know if I can go that far, but
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I'm I retract. I have no fucking idea what I'm
Speaker 1: talking about anyway, Thank you for calling me.
Speaker 3: Okay, all right, I've a man you quick.
Speaker 1: Hmm wait. I thought getting your tubes tied was something
Speaker 1: that I'm so fucking stupid. I thought it was something
Speaker 1: that guys dot. Isn't that what avaseectomy is? Getting your
Speaker 1: tubes tied? I don't know. I could delete this part
Speaker 1: from the podcast, actually keep it in. I don't know
Speaker 1: any I'm fucking stupid. Hello. Hi, oh god, I feel
Speaker 1: like I'm a panic I'm okay, yeah, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: don't panic. Don't hold on. I have to sneeze, which
Speaker 1: is a form of panic. Give me one second. S
Speaker 1: I don't know why I said sneezing is a form
Speaker 1: of panic. I guess it is. It's you, It's allergens
Speaker 1: get into your nose, and your nose doesn't know what
Speaker 1: to do, so it panics in the form of a sneeze.
Speaker 1: So I guess that's right.
Speaker 4: Yes, I shouldn't.
Speaker 1: I shouldn't double, I shouldn't, you know, question the things
Speaker 1: I say so much, I should just have confidence in
Speaker 1: them that they make sense. I mean, none of none of,
Speaker 1: nothing fucking makes sense. All the words that I'm saying
Speaker 1: right now were just declared to make sense by some
Speaker 1: royal lord a thousand years ago. And he was just
Speaker 1: a guy who had diarrhea and died. And so I'm
Speaker 1: a guy who's gonna die, and we'll have diarrhea at
Speaker 1: some point. So why can't I say random things that
Speaker 1: don't make any sense and declare them to make sense
Speaker 1: in my own.
Speaker 4: Version of reality that's entirely understandable. I mean, whatever you
Speaker 4: want to make sense will make sense.
Speaker 5: And I feel like what.
Speaker 4: I think I want to talk about today might make
Speaker 4: sense to you, or it might not. But my fiance
Speaker 4: told me that I should talk to you about this
Speaker 4: if I ever got a hold of you. So I
Speaker 4: have an important thing to tell you.
Speaker 3: You know what I like you call it?
Speaker 1: You're on board with me, and I appreciate that very
Speaker 1: much even and you know what I can I can
Speaker 1: actually tell in your voice that you don't think that
Speaker 1: what I said made sense, but you're going along with it.
Speaker 1: Just be nice to me, and that makes me like
Speaker 1: you even more. What is your name?
Speaker 4: My name is Julie, Julie.
Speaker 1: What's what's tell me the thing that your your fiance
Speaker 1: wanted you to tell me?
Speaker 4: Okay? So I am a very strange person to start off,
Speaker 4: I'm I usually get cold weird by everybody I know
Speaker 4: for plenty of reasons, but this is one recently that
Speaker 4: my partner has called me very strange for. So, do
Speaker 4: you know those like life like CPR dolls?
Speaker 1: I like where this is going. Yes, So me and.
Speaker 4: My partner were talking recently about like how creepy and
Speaker 4: life like they are and how weird they are, and
Speaker 4: I told him that I would love to keep one
Speaker 4: as a friend.
Speaker 1: As a friend.
Speaker 4: Why yes, as a friend?
Speaker 1: Okay? And why what was your response to that?
Speaker 4: To that question, my response was, I typically find it
Speaker 4: hard to make friends with real people, and I like
Speaker 4: jokingly have conversations like with myself a lot because I
Speaker 4: spend a lot of time at home with my pets,
Speaker 4: and every pet owner talks to them as if they're
Speaker 4: a person. Right, So I feel like if I had
Speaker 4: like a CPR doll, like one of the lifelike ones
Speaker 4: that I could make look like a friend, I could
Speaker 4: like keep it as company and I would be less lonely.
Speaker 4: It would be like body doubling, but without a live
Speaker 4: body there, so I would still be able to do
Speaker 4: what I need to do and feel like I have company,
Speaker 4: but not actually have to bother anybody to come over.
Speaker 2: Mmmm.
Speaker 1: It's well, people do that with sex, you know, they
Speaker 1: keep like sex dolls and stuff as like romantic partners.
Speaker 1: But this is basically it would be like a platonic
Speaker 1: friend doll.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's entirely platonic. I just like, like I dress
Speaker 4: them up. We just chill out, hang at the house
Speaker 4: and like they are my company. If I feel like
Speaker 4: I'm having a problem that day that I can't talk
Speaker 4: to anybody about, Bam, I have somebody to talk to
Speaker 4: and they're not gonna tell me I'm crazy or weird
Speaker 4: through my problems. So I feel like it's not as
Speaker 4: weird as my fancee says it is.
Speaker 1: So you would want to dress this doll up or
Speaker 1: what would you dress them? How would you dress them.
Speaker 4: Honestly, like whatever I'm feeling that day, Like if it's
Speaker 4: a jammie day, we'll both chill in sweats, right, m
Speaker 4: I feel like that's acceptable. It's right to match with friends.
Speaker 1: Do that a lot. Okay, And now when you talk
Speaker 1: to them, would you imagine in your brain how they
Speaker 1: would respond to you?
Speaker 4: Yes, but it would always only be positive and it's
Speaker 4: advice that's on my side.
Speaker 1: So you so okay. So what I'm asking is, like the
Speaker 1: you would be essentially projecting a personality onto the CPR doll.
Speaker 1: Would that personality be just a reflection of your own personality?
Speaker 1: Or would you try to make a friend who was
Speaker 1: different from you? I could contrast with you.
Speaker 4: I think I would make like a different a different
Speaker 4: kind of person someone who like has like an opposite
Speaker 4: style to me, but we get along because we're a
Speaker 4: little different and we do things kind of the same way.
Speaker 1: Okay, Now, how serious are you about this? Are you
Speaker 1: going to try to like take CPR lessons so that
Speaker 1: you can get one of these dolls? I think that's
Speaker 1: the only way to get one.
Speaker 5: I think it is but I don't know if I'm.
Speaker 4: Like that dedicated. It's very difficult to go out in
Speaker 4: public sometimes to deal.
Speaker 2: Okay, all right.
Speaker 1: I'm looking on Amazon right now. For one hundred and
Speaker 1: seventy two dollars, you can get a CPR doll You
Speaker 1: can't get the well, it's just a Tourso do you
Speaker 1: need your friends to have legs?
Speaker 4: I could probably gonna full body one, but I think
Speaker 4: those ones are the sex ones, and I don't want
Speaker 4: people to think I'm doing something weird with my friend.
Speaker 1: Oh you can get one that's just a baby, now,
Speaker 1: that would be weird. Look, here's the thing. I'm open
Speaker 1: to listen, you know me, all right, I'm open minded,
Speaker 1: and I'm not you know, I don't yuck other people's
Speaker 1: you know, yulms, whatever they want to do with their life.
Speaker 1: But don't get a baby one.
Speaker 4: No, yeah, I would definitely.
Speaker 1: Not do that, although a b being friends with a
Speaker 1: baby now being friends with the baby would suck. Okay,
Speaker 1: what do you want to name this part? This this guy?
Speaker 4: I honestly haven't like thought that much about it. I'm
Speaker 4: thinking maybe like like one of my like childhood cartoon icons, right,
Speaker 4: like maybe like a brats doll name or something, or like,
Speaker 4: I don't know one of the Barbie friends, like Raquel.
Speaker 4: She sucks, but I could make her a better person
Speaker 4: if she was my fake friend.
Speaker 1: What's your name again?
Speaker 3: I'm Julie, Julie.
Speaker 1: Why do you have trouble making of friends that you
Speaker 1: can't buy? Why do you have trouble making friends that
Speaker 1: are fleshy people?
Speaker 4: I am very like introverted.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 4: I consider my fiance like my best friend. He's actually
Speaker 4: here right now. He's like all in his own world.
Speaker 1: Have you have you ever had friends?
Speaker 4: I have had friends in the past, and it's either
Speaker 4: they have done me wrong in some way or I've
Speaker 4: just kind of like drifted away from them because I'm
Speaker 4: really bad at keeping communication with people.
Speaker 1: How old are you?
Speaker 4: I am turning twenty one this year.
Speaker 1: Twenty one okay, And so, like, in high school, do
Speaker 1: you have buddies? Oh?
Speaker 4: I had like a lot of friends. I still talk
Speaker 4: to like at least four of my high schoo friends,
Speaker 4: but I only talk to them maybe once or twice
Speaker 4: a year.
Speaker 1: Okay, So you had a lot of friends in high school,
Speaker 1: but you only talk to them once or twice. Did
Speaker 1: they all do you. You don't live in the same
Speaker 1: uh like area as them, do you.
Speaker 4: We all live in the same city, but on different
Speaker 4: parts of it, so like to see each other is
Speaker 4: like a thirty minute or more drive and only more license.
Speaker 1: Yeah, thirty minutes is dude, thirty minutes is nothing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I know.
Speaker 1: Look, here's the thing I don't Julie. If you went
Speaker 1: and you bought a CPR doll and you dressed it
Speaker 1: up in uh uh you know, and had pajamaites with it,
Speaker 1: and that was what you wanted to do with your
Speaker 1: time here on this earth and it made you happy,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't blame you for it. But yeah, it sounds
Speaker 1: like you do have friends. And I'm I'm no expert
Speaker 1: in what makes people feel joy in this universe, but
Speaker 1: I can only hypothesize that you might have more fun
Speaker 1: hanging out with them than hanging out with a CPR doll.
Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know, though, because like I have
Speaker 4: a very overactive imagination and I love to watch like
Speaker 4: movies or binge watch TV shows and I don't have
Speaker 4: like a friend to binge watch those shows with. And
Speaker 4: my partner works like all day every day, and he
Speaker 4: doesn't like the shows that I like about?
Speaker 1: What about your friends? How come your friends won't watch
Speaker 1: TV with you?
Speaker 4: Because they also don't like the shows that I like?
Speaker 4: And they also work more like throughout?
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, but these friends, you became friends with them
Speaker 1: for a reason. There must be something that you have
Speaker 1: in common with them that makes them made you want
Speaker 1: to be their friends in the first place. What do
Speaker 1: you have in common with these people that are you know,
Speaker 1: a thirty minute drive away all the way in China.
Speaker 4: Video games, honestly is what started all of our friendships.
Speaker 1: Okay, so why don't you play? Why don't you hang
Speaker 1: out with your friends and play video games? With stopping
Speaker 1: you from doing that?
Speaker 4: Because they all, like never have a chance to get
Speaker 4: over here because they have other things to do, and
Speaker 4: I usually just hide out in my house by myself.
Speaker 1: I have a question. This is a real question. There's
Speaker 1: a real question. That's a real question. It's a real question.
Speaker 1: Do you do you and you can be honest with me,
Speaker 1: because again I don't. I'm not an expert. I've said
Speaker 1: this on the podcast started, but I googled how to
Speaker 1: be happy? I'm no expert in this. Do you do
Speaker 1: you want friends? Do you want to have friends.
Speaker 4: I don't know. Honestly, having friends is kind of hard
Speaker 4: nowadays because a lot of people can be like really
Speaker 4: sneaky and it's scaried because like you never know who
Speaker 4: to trust.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's I used you know, you said that, and
Speaker 1: I actually want to get into that with you, because
Speaker 1: part of me has uh and maybe this is a
Speaker 1: maybe a hippy ish belief, but part of me feel
Speaker 1: as though you you know, people find what they're looking for.
Speaker 1: Does that make sense?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Okay, And you said yeah with hesitation, because you're probably
Speaker 1: about to tell me several horrible stories of friends stealing things.
Speaker 1: Tell me what what are your what your friends? How
Speaker 1: did your friends backstab you? Oh?
Speaker 4: Gosh? I had this one girl for the sake of
Speaker 4: the story because I don't know if she listens to
Speaker 4: your podcast or not. We're gonna give her a fake
Speaker 4: name and I'm just gonna call her like I don't know,
Speaker 4: Gemma for now, I guess.
Speaker 1: Okay with a J with a G. Okay, it doesn't
Speaker 1: That doesn't story in any way or shape or for him.
Speaker 1: I just continue. I'm sorry, you can stop talking.
Speaker 4: So me and this girl ended up becoming like best friends.
Speaker 4: Freshman year of high school, and we stayed best friends
Speaker 4: for about three years. And then junior year we had
Speaker 4: this big junior prom and I had a boyfriend at
Speaker 4: the time who had gone to a different school. I
Speaker 4: brought him to my junior prom and she ended up
Speaker 4: taking him home and neither of them ever talked to
Speaker 4: me again after that night.
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, that's one. Give me another one.
Speaker 4: Oh God, you're making me think about trauma.
Speaker 1: No, because here's the thing. Look, keep I mean, look,
Speaker 1: you don't have to tell me. You don't have to
Speaker 1: tell you can hang up with me right now. You
Speaker 1: have no obligation to me at all. But I just
Speaker 1: I here's the thing, is I it upsets me that
Speaker 1: you at such a I mean, you're also so fucking
Speaker 1: you know young still I believe, I mean we're in
Speaker 1: the same age ish bracket. But but you know, for
Speaker 1: you to you know this, this this this girl, this
Speaker 1: girl did this in high school. Yeah, and for you
Speaker 1: for for something that's this some girl that to you
Speaker 1: in high school, for you to be walking around life
Speaker 1: with this thing that you said to me that people
Speaker 1: can be sneaky, for that to be your fundamental belief
Speaker 1: that you're walking around with you know, I just it's
Speaker 1: upsetting to me.
Speaker 4: That's understandable, Yeah, because I want to think that way.
Speaker 4: Said again, I typically try not to think that way.
Speaker 4: It's just like the way that society has gone, and
Speaker 4: people are just like led to believe that like everybody
Speaker 4: sucks like all the time. It's it's hard because like,
Speaker 4: especially with stuff on social media, people are talking about like,
Speaker 4: oh this person was fake, but I still loved myself.
Speaker 4: It's like, yeah, I do love me, but also I
Speaker 4: wish more people could be real. But because it's so
Speaker 4: portrayed that having a fake friend is normal all the time,
Speaker 4: everyone thinks everyone's going to do them dirty, so they
Speaker 4: do the other person bad.
Speaker 1: First, dude, people are people on social media are pissed
Speaker 1: off about everyone all the time. They're just it's just
Speaker 1: everyone's mad. How often do you go outside and say
Speaker 1: hi to a person and talk to them?
Speaker 4: That's fair?
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, any here's any like fundamental And this
Speaker 1: is just my own anecdotal thoughts. It's like any fundamental
Speaker 1: belief that you have about people, it's just wrong. I
Speaker 1: think because I whether well, whether because look, you could
Speaker 1: be walking around being like I think people are you know,
Speaker 1: always really nice and usually good and pretty chill, and
Speaker 1: then you know, you whatever, you get fucked over in
Speaker 1: some way. Or you could be walking around being like
Speaker 1: everyone's an asshole and out for themselves and a piece
Speaker 1: of shit and then you miss you know, opportunities of
Speaker 1: genuine connection. But I don't know it's to be. You're
Speaker 1: gonna be wrong either way in some ways. You know,
Speaker 1: the broken clock is right twice a day. So wouldn't
Speaker 1: you rather wouldn't you rather open your your arms and
Speaker 1: your eyes and your brain and your hands and be,
Speaker 1: you know, look for not look for positive good chill vibes,
Speaker 1: as they say, as opposed to always thinking that everyone's
Speaker 1: a piece of shit all the time.
Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, that's understandable. I definitely want to be
Speaker 4: on the like bright side of things. I like to
Speaker 4: think of myself as a pessimist. I think that's the
Speaker 4: right one testimist, You.
Speaker 1: Think of yourself as a pessimist? Yes, hm, well, I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm sorry to hear that, Julie, because you
Speaker 1: seem like a nice person. And what do you okay,
Speaker 1: what do you do for work? School?
Speaker 4: I currently don't do either. My partner works and makes
Speaker 4: money for us, and I stay home and take care
Speaker 4: of our house and both of our pets. I've been
Speaker 4: looking for on like an online job, but I haven't
Speaker 4: quite found one yet.
Speaker 1: Okay, well, are you happy?
Speaker 4: I'm actually very happy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's awesome. Okay, maybe you should keep doing everything
Speaker 1: that you're I mean, I'm you could keep doing everything
Speaker 1: you're doing that. I don't know what I'm trying to
Speaker 1: tell you about, but uh, you know, if you're happy,
Speaker 1: it sounds like everything's working. You should get this. You
Speaker 1: should get the doll. Then, do you think the doll?
Speaker 5: Do you think the doll?
Speaker 1: Do you think the doll would make you happy?
Speaker 4: I think it would. I think it would make me
Speaker 4: a little bit more happy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, you should get it.
Speaker 4: All right, I appreciate that. I'm gonna have to tell
Speaker 4: my man that you said that.
Speaker 1: Okay, what's he doing? What's he do for work? Uh?
Speaker 5: He he currently, as far as I know, is like
Speaker 5: in a warehouse.
Speaker 4: Okay, we don't talk very much about work. I just
Speaker 4: know he's not doing anything illegal or shady. So I'm
Speaker 4: you don't you don't you.
Speaker 1: Don't know, you don't really know what he does.
Speaker 4: We talk about it a lot? He tells me that
Speaker 4: he drives a lot, and that's pretty much the most
Speaker 4: I leave it at.
Speaker 1: It sounds like you're used to having interactions. It sounds
Speaker 1: like you're used to friendships or relationships where you don't
Speaker 1: don't even talk that much. Is that that true?
Speaker 4: Oh No, me and him talk constantly. Okay, I just
Speaker 4: like bother him while he's driving and we talk about
Speaker 4: stuff I'm doing.
Speaker 1: Okay, I think you should get the doll. I think
Speaker 1: I think you would have a lot of fun. I
Speaker 1: don't you know. Here's the thing, and this is why
Speaker 1: I don't like. This is why I hate giving advice
Speaker 1: and why I say I don't give advice because I
Speaker 1: don't fucking know what makes people happy. And also there's
Speaker 1: infinite variables. So what this this everything you've described to
Speaker 1: me sounds like it's working your life. The way you
Speaker 1: live it as it stands sounds as though it's working
Speaker 1: for you. If you can answer the question of whether
Speaker 1: or not you're happy with.
Speaker 3: A yes, I I adreciate that.
Speaker 4: I am. I'm pretty happy with my life. Thanks.
Speaker 1: Do you have any advice for me?
Speaker 4: Honestly, just keep geking lyle honestly, like I'm I'm proud
Speaker 4: of your progress. I love watching your streams.
Speaker 1: Due thanks Mane. Yeah, maybe I'll maybe I'll get one.
Speaker 1: I'll get one of the dolls. They're not that I mean, look,
Speaker 1: one hundred and seventy four bucks for a friends.
Speaker 4: If you get one, can you also put it in
Speaker 4: a gecko costume and have it on stream?
Speaker 1: No, I'm gonna put mine in in a in a
Speaker 1: in a speedo. Okay, Julie, is there anything else you
Speaker 1: want to say to the people of the computer before
Speaker 1: we go? Hi?
Speaker 4: People, I hope you enjoyed my stories and you guys
Speaker 4: don't think I'm weird.
Speaker 1: No, I think I think you're doing everything right for you.
Speaker 5: Thank you so much for that, Lyle.
Speaker 4: I needed to hear that from you.
Speaker 1: Julie, have a good rest of the night. You take
Speaker 1: care you too, Bye bye bye. See. That's the thing, right,
Speaker 1: somebody could tell me I don't have any friends, and
Speaker 1: I'm about to go on Amazon and buy a two
Speaker 1: hundred dollars uh CPR doll to be my friend because
Speaker 1: I don't have any friends. And then if I ask them, okay,
Speaker 1: well are you happy with your life? And they go
Speaker 1: I'm very happy with my life. Then who the fuck
Speaker 1: am I to say that they're not? And then I
Speaker 1: hear that, and part of me is like, you know,
Speaker 1: I should be listening to this person about how they're
Speaker 1: doing it, but I I don't know. It sess me
Speaker 1: that I don't. It bothers me that she has these
Speaker 1: these fundamental beliefs that, you know, everyone sucks. I don't
Speaker 1: think that's true. I think I think most people are
Speaker 1: doing the best they can they you know, I think
Speaker 1: there's no there's no shortage of poor decision making out there.
Speaker 1: But where everyone's everyone's everyone's trying, everyone's trying. All right, Okay,
Speaker 1: let's move on. Hello, Hello, Hi, who's this?
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh speaking?
Speaker 3: Who's a good Guaya?
Speaker 1: Have you guaya? What's going on? Guya?
Speaker 2: Nothing nice? Just cleaning up the garage and myself vintage
Speaker 2: clothes sometimes and I'm taking my shit out of bush.
Speaker 1: That's cool. By vintage clothes are like, are do you
Speaker 1: just mean? What's the what is the difference between selling
Speaker 1: vintage clothes and just having a garage sale?
Speaker 2: It's very minor. But I think if you're good at
Speaker 2: selling vantage you have your your you're efficient in finding
Speaker 2: the people that are looking for whatever specific thing you got.
Speaker 1: You know, my sister went to China and she got
Speaker 1: me these like silk underwear that I haven't been able
Speaker 1: to wash some skid marks out of. Uh. Would that
Speaker 1: count as vintage?
Speaker 3: It can?
Speaker 2: Yeah, And if you want to really try your hardest
Speaker 2: to getting them out, you can go to the Dollar
Speaker 2: store and they sell the degree here called Austin spray.
Speaker 1: No, no, I mean these are these are massive and
Speaker 1: it's you know, I haven't worn them in a while,
Speaker 1: but they still kind of smell, and I Kevin Benev
Speaker 1: got the shit smell out of them. Does that make
Speaker 1: it more vintage? Can that? Because does that mean I
Speaker 1: can sell it for more money?
Speaker 3: Potent?
Speaker 2: Potentially It'll have to be. It's kind of a niche thing,
Speaker 2: I guess.
Speaker 1: But all right, I think you and I have a
Speaker 1: business idea of brewing here.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Man, your name is what is your name again?
Speaker 2: It's Gya. It's why it's uh, it's sort for guayava,
Speaker 2: which is the Spanish translation of guava. It's also like
Speaker 2: my performer name. I'm a musician.
Speaker 1: Guava like the fruit, Yes, my favorite my favorite as well?
Speaker 1: Is it really Yeah. When I was I took a
Speaker 1: Spanish in middle school and my Spanish teacher had one day.
Speaker 1: My Spanish teacher didn't really didn't really teach Spanish. She
Speaker 1: just kind of like would bring in like different Goya
Speaker 1: brand stuff and then make us watch Gabriel I Glaciers
Speaker 1: stand up. Yeah, that was her, that was we. I
Speaker 1: don't know any verbs or anything. I just know the
Speaker 1: term fluffy, but that's not any that's not Spanish.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're a performer.
Speaker 1: How do you perform?
Speaker 2: I play guitar and a couple other instruments, but I've
Speaker 2: been playing with my own like kind of solo band
Speaker 2: kind of thing for a couple of years now. I've
Speaker 2: just got like, got really lucky that when I was
Speaker 2: in middle school, I had a pretty good crowd of
Speaker 2: kids around me, and everybody was into the same kind
Speaker 2: of stuff, same kind of music. So ever since then,
Speaker 2: we've kind of just stuck around and started playing. And
Speaker 2: nobody else really wanted to go and start writing stuff,
Speaker 2: but I did, so they just kind of followed me
Speaker 2: and we've been we've been gigging around. Man, it's been fun.
Speaker 2: It's been a crazy couple of years.
Speaker 1: The term solo band. Uh sounds like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: what there's a grammatical term for this? Holy a word
Speaker 1: that contradicts itself. What's the word for this? Do you
Speaker 1: know what I'm talking about? Please?
Speaker 2: Yeah? That was half uslipt. That's kind of my mistake.
Speaker 2: But I just mean that it's a band and we
Speaker 2: play live, but it's we play my music. You know,
Speaker 2: it's released all the stuff.
Speaker 1: There.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well I've been playing for a couple of years now
Speaker 2: and it's all my own original music. But my homies
Speaker 2: just play with me live and stuff and where we've
Speaker 2: all been into jazz for a long time, so we
Speaker 2: kind of try to do a little a little something
Speaker 2: different when we play. You know, we don't want to
Speaker 2: just play the stuff like it's on the recordings. I
Speaker 2: feel like that's kind of boring.
Speaker 1: Oxymoron, right, that's the word oxy moron. So a solo band, yeah, Like,
Speaker 1: so how do you be a solo band? It is
Speaker 1: it not a band? Is it just you? Or are
Speaker 1: you like weird?
Speaker 3: Now?
Speaker 1: You can play the harmonica and the guitar and you know,
Speaker 1: the drum and all that.
Speaker 2: I mean I can. I like, I recorded every instrument
Speaker 2: on my own that I put in my recordings, but
Speaker 2: I just have my friends that played with me when
Speaker 2: we play live. It's a solo project, but we got
Speaker 2: a band on you know.
Speaker 1: Okay, what inspires your music, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I guess isolation, being around nature. I've been. I like,
Speaker 2: I bought a four track tape recorder when I was
Speaker 2: like fourteen or fifteen. I can't remember where. It might
Speaker 2: have been, like a fifth store or something, but I
Speaker 2: just kind of wanted to start piecing it together. And
Speaker 2: I don't know, man, It's it's a it's a big
Speaker 2: kind of meditative process for me. And it's it's a
Speaker 2: big reason when I wanted to talk to you because
Speaker 2: I have recently been starting to gain some traction on
Speaker 2: social media just posting like with the reels and trying
Speaker 2: to get the content out and just you know, trying
Speaker 2: to survive. But it's it's been fuck on my business, man,
Speaker 2: Like it's fogging on my head and I just I
Speaker 2: don't like it.
Speaker 1: Not good tell tell, all right, So you're starting to
Speaker 1: get some traction on the internet with you know, reels
Speaker 1: and all that stuff, and it's it's fucking with your head.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it's it's something I guess, like to
Speaker 2: start off, I've never really been a very digitally native person,
Speaker 2: which is like how I wanted to discoverer. I'd normally
Speaker 2: like to describe it. I just ever since, I feel
Speaker 2: like I was a part of the last I'm twenty two,
Speaker 2: but I feel like I'm one of the last generations
Speaker 2: of kids that really looks for connection by like going
Speaker 2: out on the street and like riding bikes and like
Speaker 2: playing with the soccer ball and stuff, you know, just
Speaker 2: just meeting up with other kids for the sake of
Speaker 2: just trying to find something to do, you know. And
Speaker 2: I never really played very or many like video games
Speaker 2: or really like a lot of stuff online until more recently.
Speaker 1: So I mean, tell me why that's fucking with your head.
Speaker 2: It's just a I don't know, like it's it's a
Speaker 2: part of just like the interface of interacting with people
Speaker 2: that aren't really there and like people that are very
Speaker 2: willing and casually like able to give you a compliment,
Speaker 2: which is always like nice to see, but they're also
Speaker 2: just as willing to say like fuck you just to
Speaker 2: really just to try to fuck with you a little
Speaker 2: bit for kind of no reason.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: There's there's always gonna be people that are going to
Speaker 2: see that you're doing something and are going to want
Speaker 2: to tear you down just because of this doesn't really matter,
Speaker 2: everyone wants, but you know, it's just it's tough because
Speaker 2: if you're paying attention to one thing kind of have
Speaker 2: to pay attention to another.
Speaker 1: And so are you getting a lot of like hate
Speaker 1: comments and that's bothering you?
Speaker 2: No, not even really, that's it's kind of what I'm saying,
Speaker 2: Like I'll have three hundred people being like this is great,
Speaker 2: I would like I want to hear more of this,
Speaker 2: like give me the full version of the song or
Speaker 2: just whatever, and then there's going to be two people
Speaker 2: that are just going to be out there and it's
Speaker 2: it's not something that I can.
Speaker 3: Even really.
Speaker 2: Blame them for, you know, because I mean I don't know,
Speaker 2: Like I was a dickhead when I was a kid too,
Speaker 2: so like I can understand to being like fucking guys,
Speaker 2: there's kind of no reason, but still like it's it's
Speaker 2: making me interact with these people as if they're there,
Speaker 2: and like it's just taking a too much space in
Speaker 2: my head. I guess like, yeah, I'm paying it too
Speaker 2: much attention, you.
Speaker 1: Know, I'll say that this is something I've been thinking
Speaker 1: about a lot because I'm also like so entrenched in
Speaker 1: the Internet and all this stuff, and it fucks, fucking
Speaker 1: fuck fucks with me a lot. It's fucked with me
Speaker 1: the whole time I've been doing this, and it's you know,
Speaker 1: it's weird d because you and I I'm twenty five
Speaker 1: or twenty two, we both kind of grew up with
Speaker 1: the Internet, and you know, we don't. You have to
Speaker 1: keep in mind, and this is what I'm trying to
Speaker 1: keep in mind, is like for all of human existence, Okay,
Speaker 1: if you were to like stretch it out onto its
Speaker 1: timeline and then you were to pinpoint the part of
Speaker 1: that timeline where the Internet exists, it would be like
Speaker 1: it would like the timeline would span, you know, about
Speaker 1: one hundred football fields, and the part where the Internet
Speaker 1: was invented would be about half a blade of grass
Speaker 1: all the way at the end. Yeah, you know, so
Speaker 1: like so it makes so the it fucking with your head,
Speaker 1: It fucking with my head, of course, of course, it's
Speaker 1: fucking with our heads. We're not built for We're trying
Speaker 1: to figure it out as it's exponentially growing and taking
Speaker 1: us over and you know, uh, bringing out the fucking
Speaker 1: worst of us and also bringing up good stuff as well.
Speaker 1: So I mean, cut yourself some slack first of all
Speaker 1: on that shore.
Speaker 2: And it's yeah, and I mean it's something that I've
Speaker 2: been aware of for a long time. Like I've never
Speaker 2: really trusted my phone in that kind of sense, where
Speaker 2: like once I got a smartphone when I was like
Speaker 2: getting into high school, I realized how much of a
Speaker 2: pull it has towards my attention and how much of
Speaker 2: a time stuff it can be. And just like I've
Speaker 2: just understood that, oh I'm kind of powerless. Like if
Speaker 2: I just pull a YouTube er now, I'm about to
Speaker 2: be here for like three hours, and right, there's kind
Speaker 2: of no two ways about it, you know. And of
Speaker 2: course it's it's something that we weren't just not to
Speaker 2: interact with, and there's going to be a period where
Speaker 2: we're still trying to kind of get used to it.
Speaker 2: But still as a creative, it's something that is, especially
Speaker 2: with social media, one of the most powerful tools to
Speaker 2: ever exist.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: And it's like, even drawing the example to your show,
Speaker 2: it's like, could you imagine in the seventies when the
Speaker 2: only real media outlets that you have were guarded by
Speaker 2: people who had to make an investment in you and
Speaker 2: had to like put theories of money into getting you
Speaker 2: out there. This is something that's like you kind of
Speaker 2: have to stay on the straight and narrow because ultimately
Speaker 2: you want to make money. But now that creating is
Speaker 2: totally free, everybody's free to make kind of whatever they want.
Speaker 2: You know, it's like the therapy because yeah, it's something
Speaker 2: that can only exist right now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, and you know, m yeah, that's
Speaker 1: a hard thing to reckon with. I think about that
Speaker 1: a lot, right because the Internet as is a total
Speaker 1: mind fuck that we are not our primitive animal brains
Speaker 1: are not equipsed to you know, with you know, especially
Speaker 1: not lots of attention on the internet because you know,
Speaker 1: I mean most people that ever lived, they only knew
Speaker 1: like ten people and uh, you know, now I know
Speaker 1: like about one hundred thousand fucking people, which was never
Speaker 1: supposed to happen. But it's but it's you're right, I mean,
Speaker 1: there's a whole positive there's a there is a demense
Speaker 1: you know, optimistic and positive part of it where uh
Speaker 1: it allows you know, independent artists and creators to form
Speaker 1: communities and share their stuff, uh, which is a good thing.
Speaker 1: So you know, I'm gonna look, man, if I were you, uh,
Speaker 1: well you're you're a musician.
Speaker 3: Yes, sair.
Speaker 1: Mhmm. Here's what I Here's the only thing I think
Speaker 1: is really important is that you're making whatever music you
Speaker 1: want to make, and you're not making music that you
Speaker 1: think will go viral. Yeah, because nothing, I mean, nothing
Speaker 1: will make you less fucking happy than just like trying
Speaker 1: to feed the machine. You know. And by the way,
Speaker 1: I've learned this, the only thing you get, the only
Speaker 1: thing you get at of feeding the machine is that
Speaker 1: you get to feed the machine more.
Speaker 2: Damn fact, that's crazy. I never thought of it like that.
Speaker 1: I'm still trying to comprehend that fact. I mean, I
Speaker 1: I you know, I saw all kinds of shit on
Speaker 1: this podcast that I'm trying to actually like internalize into
Speaker 1: my own life. But that's just where my head's at.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I mean, I think it's I think it's
Speaker 2: really crazy. It's something that I I mean, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: I'm gonna give you your flowers for a second if I can.
Speaker 2: But over the past like a year and a half
Speaker 2: that I've been listening to you, because I listen to
Speaker 2: every single podcast since then. I just if I'm on
Speaker 2: a walk or I'm on a driver or whatever, you're
Speaker 2: the guy my man doesn't thrown you on.
Speaker 1: You know, I really appreciate that.
Speaker 2: I really admire the ability, or I guess, even if
Speaker 2: it wasn't intentional, the amount of people that you've brought
Speaker 2: together who have no real connection aside from being entertained
Speaker 2: by watching somebody be empathetic to somebody else's problems. Where
Speaker 2: I think you have a very great personality and energy
Speaker 2: the way that you interact with people. But I mean,
Speaker 2: it's just it's crazy because I think that you hear
Speaker 2: people from all over the country and even all over
Speaker 2: the world on this pod, you know, and it's it's
Speaker 2: just it's so so mind bowing to think that all
Speaker 2: this came of you just wanting to put a gecko
Speaker 2: costume on and talking to the voice that is the Internet.
Speaker 1: Well, uh well, thank what is your name again, Guya?
Speaker 1: Well thanks, Guya. I appreciate that you've inspired me. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna go to the store and I'm gonna get some
Speaker 1: guava soda. That's my favorite you ever had. The Goya
Speaker 1: guava soda. Actually, no, you gotta go have It's very good.
Speaker 1: And what is it? The yeah yeahstos they're good.
Speaker 2: The guava ones are freaking I've never heard of the
Speaker 2: Goya ones. I'm gonna have to I'm not to speak
Speaker 2: to that.
Speaker 1: Is there anything else you want to say to the
Speaker 1: people of the computer before we go?
Speaker 2: I want to say something to you first. I freaking
Speaker 2: wrote a song about you.
Speaker 1: What was the song?
Speaker 3: It's called Therapy.
Speaker 2: It's on Spotify.
Speaker 1: Oh ship, Okay, how do I find it?
Speaker 2: It's just look at the word therapy, get go and
Speaker 2: guya on Spotify and it should be you. Freaking dude,
Speaker 2: I've been calling for so long. I've been calling the
Speaker 2: show for like past like five months. Just well, I'm glad.
Speaker 1: I'm glad we finally got to talk.
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, I'm it's such a blessing to be able
Speaker 2: to talk to you, brother.
Speaker 1: But it's a blessing that any of this if I
Speaker 1: I think my life has gotten beyond any any point
Speaker 1: that I can uh comprehend, So I don't know. Thanks
Speaker 1: Thanks for being with me.
Speaker 2: Of course, man. I hope to catch you if you can't.
Speaker 2: CALIFORNI your date.
Speaker 1: On your tour well, November something, November something, I'll find you.
Speaker 1: Take care man, have a benid.
Speaker 2: Man never goes on the line taking your phone calls.
Speaker 3: Every night, every beacon goes to and teaching you Cloud
Speaker 3: in the mean of your life. Re