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Speaker 1: because one year ago a mass shooting changed their lives.

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Speaker 1: app or wherever you get your podcasts. All the State

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Speaker 1: people that were slaughtered. This is the Piked and Massacre

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Speaker 1: returned to Pike County Season four, episode twenty four. The

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Speaker 1: verdict is in. I'm Courtney Armstrong, a television producer at

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Speaker 1: Katie Studios. With Stephanie Ladecker and Jeff Shane. We're at

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Speaker 1: the closing arguments of George Wagner the Fourth's trial. It's

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Speaker 1: We are here because eight innocent victims were slaughtered, most

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Speaker 1: Before the day ends, Judge during gives instructions to the jury.

430
00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:29,960
Speaker 1: The next morning, at eight thirty am, the jury begins deliberations.

431
00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:34,800
Speaker 1: After a two and a half year investigation, after a

432
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:39,000
Speaker 1: three and a half month trial, the longest criminal trial

433
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:42,000
Speaker 1: in the history of Ohio, the most expensive trial in

434
00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:45,080
Speaker 1: the history of Ohio, it is now in the hands

435
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:49,200
Speaker 1: of nine women and three men, the twelve jurors. Generally speaking,

436
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:51,760
Speaker 1: if they're out for a short period of time, if

437
00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:55,560
Speaker 1: they're not out long, that's good for the state, the prosecution.

438
00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:59,320
Speaker 1: If the longer they go, it's better for the defense

439
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:02,160
Speaker 1: because you know they're thinking about it. Then the other

440
00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:05,360
Speaker 1: thing too, The longer they go, the better chance that

441
00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:08,520
Speaker 1: they will have a hung jury, which is a victory

442
00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:11,240
Speaker 1: for the defense. Attorney. With the fate of George Wagner

443
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:14,160
Speaker 1: in the jury's hands. All the defense and prosecution can

444
00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:17,760
Speaker 1: do is wait, what are those hours like? It would

445
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:20,239
Speaker 1: be so tense. Let me tell you something. They are

446
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:24,760
Speaker 1: the slowest hours in a trial lawyer's life. From when

447
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:28,560
Speaker 1: a jury begins to deliberate until when they come up

448
00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:32,280
Speaker 1: with a verdict. You stay around your office and then

449
00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:34,880
Speaker 1: just kind of like dwell on it and it's just

450
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:38,520
Speaker 1: hard to concentrate on anything else. It's kind of brutal.

451
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:42,080
Speaker 1: But on the other hand, it's exciting too, because you know,

452
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:44,240
Speaker 1: then you get back in the courtroom and the jury

453
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:47,000
Speaker 1: walks in and you know you're looking at whether they

454
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:49,680
Speaker 1: look in the eye, and you know then they'll give

455
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:53,400
Speaker 1: their verdict. So it's tough, but it's also exciting. I

456
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:55,520
Speaker 1: guess it's the best way to put it. Two and

457
00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:58,680
Speaker 1: a half hours into deliberation the jury as to see

458
00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:02,680
Speaker 1: Judge deering. There were some rumblings when that note came

459
00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:04,720
Speaker 1: out with the question. There was a couple of people

460
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:06,600
Speaker 1: who thought it might have been a verdict and we're like, no,

461
00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:10,120
Speaker 1: one wasn't the case. So some false information got put

462
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:13,360
Speaker 1: out there initially, and at about eleven they sent down

463
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:15,720
Speaker 1: a question and apparently went on the record and they'd

464
00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:19,040
Speaker 1: asked the transcript of Jake's testimony, or at least just

465
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:22,400
Speaker 1: a part of it, and Judge Jarring said, no, you

466
00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:26,000
Speaker 1: have to get all of it, and I'm gonna want

467
00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:28,120
Speaker 1: you to read all of it because it's not fair

468
00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:31,840
Speaker 1: to exact certain excerpts, especially if you're just going to

469
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:34,840
Speaker 1: look at one part from the direct examination and not

470
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:37,560
Speaker 1: look at what the cross examination was. That wouldn't be fair.

471
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:40,800
Speaker 1: Takes it out of context. And he said, to be honest,

472
00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:44,880
Speaker 1: it's not fair. And if you're going to do this,

473
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:48,120
Speaker 1: really I should make you read the transcripts of all

474
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:51,920
Speaker 1: of the witnesses. But even if it's just Shake, it's

475
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:57,880
Speaker 1: seven hundred and fifty, seven hundred and sixty pages. Jerry

476
00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:01,800
Speaker 1: goes back to deliberating. Then about four o'clock on Wednesday,

477
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:04,000
Speaker 1: we were notified that they had a verdict, and we're like, wow,

478
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:07,400
Speaker 1: that was very very quick. So that's like seven hours

479
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:11,360
Speaker 1: just you know, less than seven hours of deliberation if

480
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:13,680
Speaker 1: you count their breaks. And I took them at least

481
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:15,880
Speaker 1: thirty minutes to an hour to sign all the forms

482
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:17,959
Speaker 1: because there are twenty two forms that all twelve had

483
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:21,440
Speaker 1: to sign for all twenty two charges. The bailiff came upstairs,

484
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:24,440
Speaker 1: and he went back into the judge's chambers, and then

485
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:27,600
Speaker 1: he came out and he looked over at a couple

486
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:31,520
Speaker 1: of us sitting in the gallery and said, be ready

487
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:34,320
Speaker 1: in twenty five minutes. I said, what a verdict in

488
00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:36,880
Speaker 1: twenty five minutes? And he said, there's a verdict in

489
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:41,959
Speaker 1: twenty five minutes, and I just tweeted it out immediately.

490
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:46,000
Speaker 1: The jury enters the courtroom, a lot of people will say, Oh,

491
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:48,440
Speaker 1: if the jurors come in and they don't look at

492
00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:51,720
Speaker 1: the defendant, that means it's a guilty verdict, And if

493
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:53,640
Speaker 1: they come in and they look at the defendant, it's

494
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:56,680
Speaker 1: a not guilty verdict. The clerk hands the verdict forms

495
00:31:56,720 --> 00:32:01,000
Speaker 1: to judge during he reads the jury's verdict. Verdict does

496
00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:04,560
Speaker 1: to count one. It says, way the jury find beyond

497
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:08,240
Speaker 1: the reasonable doubt that the defendant, George Washington Whacker the

498
00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:11,760
Speaker 1: fourth is guilty of aggravated murder as charged in account

499
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:15,400
Speaker 1: one of the indictment, Ladies and gentlemen of the jury,

500
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:21,080
Speaker 1: is that true verdict? Again, Antonette Levy. When the first

501
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:23,920
Speaker 1: guilty verdict was read, you've heard kind of a noise

502
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:27,680
Speaker 1: of gasp, but almost like a cry of sorts, and

503
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:30,400
Speaker 1: that came from the road and family, and I feel

504
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:33,480
Speaker 1: like that was just some type of big, you know,

505
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:36,600
Speaker 1: a sense of relief on their part. There were a

506
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:39,560
Speaker 1: lot of tears. I think these were tears of relief.

507
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:42,880
Speaker 1: It's like an emotional release. You know, you're sitting there,

508
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:45,240
Speaker 1: waiting and waiting. You've been sitting there for all of

509
00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:48,880
Speaker 1: these weeks, looking at horrible things, hearing are horrible things,

510
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:54,960
Speaker 1: seeing horrible things, and I think they knew collectively when

511
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:57,920
Speaker 1: that first guilty verdict was read, they were all going

512
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:05,760
Speaker 1: to be guilty. Judge during continues reading the verdict. George

513
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:08,800
Speaker 1: Wagner has found guilty on all eight murder charges. He

514
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:13,840
Speaker 1: has also found guilty of aggravated burglary, conspiracy, gun charges,

515
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:17,479
Speaker 1: and tampering with evidence for a total of twenty two charges.

516
00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:21,040
Speaker 1: George Wagner's reaction to the verdict was similar to his

517
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:29,240
Speaker 1: demeanor throughout the trial. George Wagner showed no emotion. No

518
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:33,960
Speaker 1: lawyer John Parker kind of he shook his hair, kind

519
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:37,600
Speaker 1: of nodded and you know, seeing a little upset, but no,

520
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:40,480
Speaker 1: George showed absolutely no emotion. He just kept his eyes down.

521
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:43,560
Speaker 1: I think George Wagner when they brought him in and

522
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:46,320
Speaker 1: just looking at his face, he knew, he knew that

523
00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:48,960
Speaker 1: he was going to be convicted, and I felt like

524
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:53,760
Speaker 1: I just saw his eyes kind of blank, just, you know,

525
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:57,560
Speaker 1: briefly and kind of quickly. Once the first guilty verdict

526
00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:02,560
Speaker 1: was read Judge Darings. That's George Wagner, sentencing for December nineteenth.

527
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:05,960
Speaker 1: After the verdict, the Roden family gives a press conference

528
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:11,239
Speaker 1: speaking on their behalf is Tony Roden Chris Roden, Senior's brother.

529
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:14,839
Speaker 1: I would like to thank the citizens of the state

530
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:19,520
Speaker 1: of ble Hia for barn this burden that should have

531
00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:23,600
Speaker 1: never happened to this family and southern not a little

532
00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:26,800
Speaker 1: bit of peace. We still have a long route to go,

533
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:31,440
Speaker 1: We'll get there because we are a family. Where's the party.

534
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:40,440
Speaker 1: We're gonna go home, and we've a little easier tonight

535
00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:46,799
Speaker 1: that we don't take for granted anymore, as we love

536
00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:49,400
Speaker 1: the ones we got and never let go if you

537
00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:53,279
Speaker 1: never A reporter asked the Roden family their thoughts on

538
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:58,759
Speaker 1: George Wagner. Here's Tony Roden's response. I feel sorry for him.

539
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:05,400
Speaker 1: Why why? As human, how do you find the humanity

540
00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:07,240
Speaker 1: time like this, when he did so much to your family.

541
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:11,200
Speaker 1: I think we all have human in us. There's just

542
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:14,640
Speaker 1: a difference in us. The prosecution also gives a statement

543
00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:17,440
Speaker 1: to the press and the Road and Wagner and Gilly families.

544
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:20,759
Speaker 1: Here's Andrew Kneppa, followed by Rob junk from the State.

545
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:24,719
Speaker 1: You guys have trusted us with your lives and the

546
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:27,080
Speaker 1: lives of your loved ones. And I know today's verdict

547
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:31,080
Speaker 1: does not bring your loved ones back. I know that,

548
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:34,920
Speaker 1: but I do hope that it gives you some some

549
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:39,080
Speaker 1: linse of peace that yet another one of the evil

550
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:43,400
Speaker 1: monsters that did this to your family have been held accountable.

551
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:47,920
Speaker 1: Justice was done, and again they heard the voices of

552
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:52,239
Speaker 1: our eight victims a day the jury listened. They understood,

553
00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:56,800
Speaker 1: we can never ever ever bring them back. But I

554
00:35:56,880 --> 00:36:01,520
Speaker 1: can tell you that good Lord Willing George Wagner the

555
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:04,960
Speaker 1: fourth will never be in a position to hurt any

556
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:10,440
Speaker 1: woman ever again. Journalists and legal experts who have been

557
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:16,520
Speaker 1: following the case for years weighing on the verdict and

558
00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:20,279
Speaker 1: Jeanette Levy, I wasn't completely surprised when they came back

559
00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:23,319
Speaker 1: with guilty verdicts because it was so fast the way

560
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:26,000
Speaker 1: that I read the indictment. If you're guilty of one murder,

561
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:28,920
Speaker 1: you've got to be guilty of all of them. You

562
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:31,600
Speaker 1: know that it's a conspiracy case, and all of these

563
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:35,720
Speaker 1: homicides happened on the same night. So if the theory

564
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:39,480
Speaker 1: is that all three of the guys were there, Billy, Jake,

565
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:42,759
Speaker 1: and George, and these homicides were committed carried out that night.

566
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:46,800
Speaker 1: Under the law, if he's complicit with the complicity instruction

567
00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:49,800
Speaker 1: that was given to the jury, then he's guilty of

568
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:54,560
Speaker 1: everything unless there's a compromise. After the guilty verdict, George

569
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:57,080
Speaker 1: Wagner is taken back to jail where he will wait

570
00:36:57,480 --> 00:37:04,080
Speaker 1: until he is sentenced. Let's stop here for another break.

571
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:14,080
Speaker 1: December nineteenth is the day George Wagner is to be

572
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:17,480
Speaker 1: sentenced for the murders of the Rodent, Manly and Gilly

573
00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:21,360
Speaker 1: family members. Even if George Randy Deering does stack a

574
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:25,680
Speaker 1: minimum possible sentence of thirty years, concurrently, Wagner still faces

575
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:37,560
Speaker 1: significant time for sixteen other charges. Are sentencing YEA so true, yeah,

576
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:42,520
Speaker 1: Prosecutor Angie Kanepa begins her sentencing remarks, it isn't such

577
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:44,440
Speaker 1: far often, but this is one of the most serious

578
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:47,640
Speaker 1: attributing murders as a statable hire. Not that a murder,

579
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:50,680
Speaker 1: of course comes without pain and horror, that is killed

580
00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:53,799
Speaker 1: and those leccupied, but the killing of eighteen one such

581
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:57,000
Speaker 1: a thing of accated fashion for literally no reason in

582
00:37:57,120 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 1: all in one night, I suggest, does make this one

583
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:03,880
Speaker 1: of the most serious aggating murder cases Ohio has seen today.

584
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:06,400
Speaker 1: I urged the courts and focus specifically a meaning on

585
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:09,080
Speaker 1: that hand hatched to the families and fashion mum sentence

586
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:13,560
Speaker 1: in this case, and this is the unjustified, unprovoked, horrible

587
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:17,400
Speaker 1: senses killing them innocent people. We urged the court to

588
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:21,000
Speaker 1: impose eight consecutive life without parole sentences regarding the murder

589
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:24,000
Speaker 1: of each of these lives, and Jim post maximum and

590
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:27,279
Speaker 1: consecutive sentences to each of the remaining counts as well.

591
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:32,040
Speaker 1: The defendant in his sentencing memorandum begs for mercy. He

592
00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 1: showed no mercy for the victims who just wanted to live.

593
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:37,759
Speaker 1: They have no one to beg for their lives or

594
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:41,680
Speaker 1: demand due process. He judgury and executioner in their lives.

595
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:47,680
Speaker 1: He deserves no mercy in presentence motions Wagner's lawyers asked

596
00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:50,359
Speaker 1: for her a sentence which would give him the possibility

597
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:54,080
Speaker 1: of a parole. The prosecution asked for the maximum possible

598
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:57,120
Speaker 1: life without parole and for the eight murder counts to

599
00:38:57,280 --> 00:39:01,720
Speaker 1: be served consecutively. With presentencing motion is over, Prosecutor Karneppa

600
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:04,120
Speaker 1: tells the court that members of the Rodent, Manly, and

601
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:07,520
Speaker 1: Gilly families are going to deliver their victim impact statements.

602
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:11,279
Speaker 1: James Pilcher, a jury of nine women and three men,

603
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:14,360
Speaker 1: took less than eight hours to find George Wagner the

604
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:17,600
Speaker 1: Fourth guilty on all twenty two charges for his role

605
00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:21,279
Speaker 1: in the twenty sixteen Pike County massacre. Now Wagner must

606
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:24,960
Speaker 1: not only face his punishment, but the survivors from the Rodent, Gilly,

607
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:28,680
Speaker 1: and Manly families. They get their first opportunity to address

608
00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:32,279
Speaker 1: a Wagner directly about the crimes. Ten family members give

609
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:37,000
Speaker 1: statements in person or through victims advocates. Here's Andrea's Shoemaker,

610
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:41,040
Speaker 1: mother of Hannah Hazel Gilly, George Wagner or the fourth

611
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:46,320
Speaker 1: Lear introduce myself. You see you said enough? Did you

612
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:53,520
Speaker 1: never met my mom? Hannah Hazel Gilling? I'm a mom Andrewsmaker.

613
00:39:55,360 --> 00:40:00,640
Speaker 1: I'll stand here today to be her voice, since you,

614
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:05,359
Speaker 1: George Wide and the fourth and your evil family took her.

615
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:11,480
Speaker 1: Frankie Road, I shout to be son in law, the

616
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:16,200
Speaker 1: young man who gave me my first grandson. The love

617
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:18,840
Speaker 1: you have for my beautiful baby girl, Hanna Hayes was

618
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:22,000
Speaker 1: what was your two sons? A heart ache for you son.

619
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:29,360
Speaker 1: My grandson was made an orphan in one night. I

620
00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:32,960
Speaker 1: see the pain in his eyes. He mourned for a

621
00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:43,480
Speaker 1: dadd shit and it was something he won't do for

622
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:48,920
Speaker 1: the record, life is one of his daddy. And Hannah

623
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:53,760
Speaker 1: Hazel Gilly, my basic girl only the age of three,

624
00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:59,640
Speaker 1: gone mad, who fell on the way to love with

625
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:03,760
Speaker 1: a young man drinking rode the love of Hannah Hanzel

626
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:07,560
Speaker 1: Billy's life. Hannah Hazel was the first of my children

627
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:11,359
Speaker 1: to give me the blessing of becoming a man all

628
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:17,680
Speaker 1: Hannah Hannah Hazel Billy was her first time mom to

629
00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:23,040
Speaker 1: her beautiful son, and what a mommy she was. She

630
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:27,120
Speaker 1: loved her son with her whole heart and for her

631
00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:32,160
Speaker 1: to Hendy have six months six months of his life,

632
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:38,920
Speaker 1: that is the one thing she wanted to see in

633
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:42,000
Speaker 1: her whole young life as to watch him grow up.

634
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:49,040
Speaker 1: My baby girl, I miss you, but on worse, another

635
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:53,080
Speaker 1: life taken wake too soon, but will never be forgotten.

636
00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:58,400
Speaker 1: Hannah Man was such an innocent young lady, a great

637
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:02,960
Speaker 1: mother to two beautiful girls. I watch your baby girl mourn,

638
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:10,000
Speaker 1: mourn to know who her mommy was. I answer questions

639
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:13,120
Speaker 1: that should have never had to be asked in the

640
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:18,440
Speaker 1: first place. My heart is forever broken that she and

641
00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:24,000
Speaker 1: her sister will never knew the mommy. The list of

642
00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:27,560
Speaker 1: victims gets longer. The eight lives are just the ones

643
00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:31,720
Speaker 1: no longer on this earth are we has a new family.

644
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:35,520
Speaker 1: The Gillie Manlies and the Rogues have all suffered. We

645
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:40,480
Speaker 1: are all suffering, hurting, always heartbroken, forever without our children,

646
00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:47,759
Speaker 1: all because the devils, like the dark Devil's hunt at night,

647
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:51,240
Speaker 1: just like you, George Wagner the Fourth and your evil

648
00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:54,480
Speaker 1: family did on Friday April at twenty first and twenty

649
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:58,840
Speaker 1: seconds of two thousand and sixteen. All I want is

650
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:03,360
Speaker 1: my baby girl, Hannah Hazel, and that I will never had.

651
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:09,520
Speaker 1: I only agree to the state because I want all

652
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:15,960
Speaker 1: these older families to get justice on earth while they're

653
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:20,239
Speaker 1: still here. Because of the fact that Gary's dad, Dannah's dad,

654
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:23,480
Speaker 1: and my dad didn't get their justice while on this earth.

655
00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:27,480
Speaker 1: And I pray to God that's your son learns what

656
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:30,879
Speaker 1: kind of a monster you really are and never wants

657
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:34,640
Speaker 1: anything to do with you. And I pray Judge, deary

658
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:37,600
Speaker 1: that used turned out with the George wrightner the forts

659
00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:41,520
Speaker 1: really is, and make him suffer with life and princes.

660
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:46,239
Speaker 1: Here's Kendra Roden, daughter of Kenny Rowden. As I said

661
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:50,359
Speaker 1: here today, I know I should I should have peace

662
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:53,120
Speaker 1: because you never been found guilty. Anermals Ranks accounts. I

663
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:56,799
Speaker 1: should feel relief that justice is being served, but there

664
00:43:56,880 --> 00:43:58,720
Speaker 1: is no real justice, and peace is not a feeling

665
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:01,600
Speaker 1: I have. Anime was my piece, and because of you

666
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:05,520
Speaker 1: and your family, she was gone eight life, sinking in

667
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:08,200
Speaker 1: so many more, traumatized by the horrendous acts committed by

668
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:11,880
Speaker 1: the like her family. For months, I was riddled with

669
00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:14,640
Speaker 1: questions of human why. I tried to find souls in

670
00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:17,000
Speaker 1: the belief that most of my family numbers died instantly

671
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:21,359
Speaker 1: from being shot in my head. Unfortunately that was not true.

672
00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:25,680
Speaker 1: When SIGNED thought my father's life the spot and the

673
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:28,120
Speaker 1: corner seat, and my father died within minutes of being

674
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:33,120
Speaker 1: shot minutes, not seconds. So now I'm like wondering for

675
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:37,399
Speaker 1: how long did he remain conscious? Did he feel the pain?

676
00:44:37,719 --> 00:44:39,800
Speaker 1: How long was he conscious for knowing his death was

677
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:43,000
Speaker 1: imminent and there was nothing he could do? What went

678
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:45,279
Speaker 1: through his mind in those moments that I imagined felt

679
00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:48,840
Speaker 1: like hours as he died alone? What about hannime and

680
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:51,200
Speaker 1: she liked next to her nursing infant? Did she die

681
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:53,120
Speaker 1: of fear? Not knowing what would happen to her child?

682
00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:55,560
Speaker 1: How long did she like there helplessly knowing she could

683
00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:58,080
Speaker 1: do nothing to protect her infant from the evil The

684
00:44:58,200 --> 00:45:02,720
Speaker 1: storm thron stormed through her home that night. The questions

685
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:06,040
Speaker 1: were accompanied by nightmares night after night, black asleep, really crazy.

686
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:10,040
Speaker 1: I thought I could not escape it. Every time it

687
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:12,240
Speaker 1: was my eyes I was taking back to the horrific

688
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:15,279
Speaker 1: moments I found out that my family was murdered. I'd

689
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:17,120
Speaker 1: like for anything to stop and never in new pain

690
00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:19,120
Speaker 1: and grief to the point I nearly ended my own

691
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:24,360
Speaker 1: life and December of twenties of eighteen. In twenty eighteen,

692
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:26,040
Speaker 1: I had my daughter. It should have been a moment

693
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:28,640
Speaker 1: filled with nothing but joy. Instead, it was filled with heartache,

694
00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:31,719
Speaker 1: knowing my father would never hold my daughter. Now. As

695
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:33,920
Speaker 1: I planned for my wedding, I dread walking down the

696
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:36,160
Speaker 1: aisle because my father will not be walking with me

697
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:39,160
Speaker 1: or handing me over as a father should. I won't

698
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:40,960
Speaker 1: look over to the bride's names and see handed me

699
00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:42,920
Speaker 1: as my maid of honor. I won't see Frankie and

700
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:44,960
Speaker 1: the crowd making some sort of promotion to make me

701
00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:48,200
Speaker 1: laugh and call my nurse. Christopher won't be there as

702
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:50,640
Speaker 1: a life of the party making a scene as as usual, Giffy.

703
00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:53,080
Speaker 1: So you see, eight lines were taken in the most

704
00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:56,439
Speaker 1: brutal ways, but many more lines were stolen. You took

705
00:45:56,520 --> 00:45:58,320
Speaker 1: moments that were no more yours to take than the

706
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:01,560
Speaker 1: life you and your family took. I am sorry you

707
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:03,719
Speaker 1: never got to know the unconditional love of a mother

708
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:06,800
Speaker 1: and father, but it does not excuse your participation in

709
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:10,280
Speaker 1: the grim murders your family committed every whole. My family

710
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:12,040
Speaker 1: and I are not asking for your demise, but I

711
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:14,360
Speaker 1: do ask that you receive the maximenalty. It is not

712
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:16,160
Speaker 1: justice that I believe in my heart. It is the

713
00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:20,600
Speaker 1: closest we can get. Here's Frankie Rodin's former girlfriend and

714
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:23,960
Speaker 1: mother of their son. My first little segment is actually

715
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:26,640
Speaker 1: one that my son, who has written himself a victim

716
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:31,120
Speaker 1: of the ninth. It was now since hermy dear George,

717
00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:36,799
Speaker 1: I find myself wondering why you killed my daddy. There

718
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:38,879
Speaker 1: are things that make me sad because I can't learn

719
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:42,400
Speaker 1: from him. He could have taught me stuff like working

720
00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:46,840
Speaker 1: on Derby cars in kim County. My mommy tried, but

721
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:51,880
Speaker 1: it's not as good as daddy was. I've been scared

722
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:54,279
Speaker 1: since that night, knowing bad guys came into my house

723
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:58,279
Speaker 1: I was sleeping. I am always scared now that I

724
00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:03,440
Speaker 1: will lose my mommy. You did that to me. I

725
00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:05,920
Speaker 1: just want to reg that I hate with your family,

726
00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:13,080
Speaker 1: thinks are the words of a ten boy. For him

727
00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:16,600
Speaker 1: to tell me he watched his daddy's team fall while

728
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:19,160
Speaker 1: he tried to wake him up because his baby brother

729
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:24,040
Speaker 1: scream is traumatic itself, but knowing that he has seen

730
00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:28,520
Speaker 1: stuff hurts my heart so much. The sleepless nights, the

731
00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:32,840
Speaker 1: panic attacks, and constant worry is so exhausting. You and

732
00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:36,080
Speaker 1: your family did that. This is his story and I'm

733
00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:39,560
Speaker 1: just living in We may have been friends in the past,

734
00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:41,200
Speaker 1: but for you to get up her on that stand

735
00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:47,280
Speaker 1: and take an oath and still lie on me, excuse

736
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:49,360
Speaker 1: me on her, but I hope you burned Hill George.

737
00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:53,200
Speaker 1: I will say, there's one thing I have learned is

738
00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:55,239
Speaker 1: that God wants us to forgive, and maybe one day

739
00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:57,279
Speaker 1: I will forgive you. But at this time I just

740
00:47:57,440 --> 00:48:03,439
Speaker 1: can't think. Here are Here's April Manley, Danna Rodin's sister

741
00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:06,520
Speaker 1: in law. As I stand here today, I realized I'm

742
00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:10,880
Speaker 1: standing here for my father in law. Ward. See, Leonard

743
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:14,480
Speaker 1: brought a short fight with liver cancer. All he wanted

744
00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:17,000
Speaker 1: to do was be with these baby girl, Dana Rodin

745
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:20,960
Speaker 1: and make sure she was okay. For that reason, he

746
00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:24,719
Speaker 1: wouldn't fight for his life. Leonard would tell us time

747
00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:27,000
Speaker 1: and time again that he was sorry for leaving us,

748
00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:30,880
Speaker 1: but he just couldn't walk this world without Dana any longer.

749
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:34,319
Speaker 1: He made me promise that I would see these childs through,

750
00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:37,759
Speaker 1: that I would be at every court day. So here

751
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:39,719
Speaker 1: I stand today, at the end of one of them.

752
00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:44,520
Speaker 1: I don't only stand here for winter, but myself as well.

753
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:47,520
Speaker 1: You see, James Manley and I would be married twenty

754
00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:51,160
Speaker 1: eight years in this ship week. The Rogans are also

755
00:48:51,239 --> 00:48:56,200
Speaker 1: in my family, but in heart as well. I was

756
00:48:57,080 --> 00:49:00,960
Speaker 1: the maiden maid of honor at Dana Chris's wedding. I

757
00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:04,560
Speaker 1: did be set Raking Hannah a little Chris from the

758
00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:06,560
Speaker 1: time I was born until they was open up to

759
00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:10,640
Speaker 1: stay by themselves. Even after they was old enough to

760
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:15,799
Speaker 1: look after themselves, I would still see them daily. That's

761
00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:21,840
Speaker 1: why I referred to them as my babies. Then go

762
00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:28,000
Speaker 1: to the morning April twenty seconds Sey sixteen, where all

763
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:30,440
Speaker 1: of our lives changed forever and will never be the

764
00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:34,000
Speaker 1: same again. Not one, not too but eight family members

765
00:49:34,080 --> 00:49:38,080
Speaker 1: were taken away from us. It was like the bottom

766
00:49:38,120 --> 00:49:41,800
Speaker 1: fill on my soul. Hundreds of people around me, but

767
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:45,920
Speaker 1: I felt like I watched the scord the life so

768
00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:49,080
Speaker 1: this day and my husband stepped screaming sis and he

769
00:49:49,239 --> 00:49:52,520
Speaker 1: sleep so the only thing he called the You know,

770
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:56,200
Speaker 1: my stepson was never afraid of the dark. He was

771
00:49:56,280 --> 00:49:59,080
Speaker 1: now fifteen years old and still't gonna go outside by

772
00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:02,560
Speaker 1: himself after he says, they came in the dark took

773
00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:07,399
Speaker 1: them all away before that night, he was never free.

774
00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:11,160
Speaker 1: I hope George Waggener spends the rest of his life

775
00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:15,239
Speaker 1: in prison without seeing your loved ones. For the rest

776
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:17,600
Speaker 1: of your life, just like you made sure we went

777
00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:21,200
Speaker 1: and see ours. I hope you feel the loneliness and

778
00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:24,200
Speaker 1: the emptiness that we feel for the rest of your life.

779
00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:28,560
Speaker 1: And I have one last whish wish for you, George,

780
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:31,840
Speaker 1: see you and your family made sure you were the

781
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:35,240
Speaker 1: last ones to see our family a lie. I hope

782
00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:38,239
Speaker 1: every night, when you close your eyes you see them

783
00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:41,360
Speaker 1: eight faces, and I hope they hatch you for the

784
00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:45,640
Speaker 1: rest of your life. Lisa, niece to Chris and kind

785
00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:49,560
Speaker 1: of Throwden goes next. Growing up, our parents tell us

786
00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:53,520
Speaker 1: fosters do not exist, but I had come to know

787
00:50:53,640 --> 00:50:56,440
Speaker 1: about have a lie in my adult life. There are

788
00:50:56,520 --> 00:50:59,000
Speaker 1: so many moments that he made an impact for me

789
00:50:59,120 --> 00:51:06,279
Speaker 1: greatly over the last eight years six years. Sorry, but

790
00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:09,719
Speaker 1: a few of us moments are very handful moments that

791
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:14,359
Speaker 1: I will forever remember, vividly going into a funeral home

792
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:18,719
Speaker 1: and seeing eight caskets light along the wall of our

793
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:28,440
Speaker 1: loved ones. Walking into that room with my family, hearing

794
00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:32,880
Speaker 1: the streams from my mothers, my aunt and my uncles

795
00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:36,400
Speaker 1: while trying to hold them up because the lakes gave away.

796
00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:41,680
Speaker 1: Six years and eight months later, we still have these

797
00:51:41,719 --> 00:51:45,440
Speaker 1: invariable moments where we feel like we could just break,

798
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:51,200
Speaker 1: knowing the callous way they were taken from us. You

799
00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:54,480
Speaker 1: would not only lose her mommy on April twenty seconds,

800
00:51:55,239 --> 00:52:00,480
Speaker 1: but she loves all of her immediate family. And then

801
00:52:00,719 --> 00:52:05,959
Speaker 1: one November thirteenth, twenty eighteen, she lost her dad's side

802
00:52:06,080 --> 00:52:09,040
Speaker 1: of her immediate family. Regardless of the monsters they are

803
00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:14,080
Speaker 1: who still had a bond, the devastation it impact will

804
00:52:14,120 --> 00:52:16,720
Speaker 1: forever way having owned her for the rest of Hawaii.

805
00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:22,200
Speaker 1: I've tried to wrap my head around why my family

806
00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:26,839
Speaker 1: was given a death sentence, but nothing will justify the why.

807
00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:31,520
Speaker 1: My cousin Hannah May was given a death sentence because

808
00:52:31,560 --> 00:52:33,640
Speaker 1: she was a strong old mother who wanted to raise

809
00:52:33,719 --> 00:52:38,640
Speaker 1: her daughter and continue to grow her family outside the

810
00:52:38,760 --> 00:52:44,080
Speaker 1: Wagner's control. My cousin Gary, Hannah Hazel, little Chris to

811
00:52:44,200 --> 00:52:51,840
Speaker 1: my hand Nata was given a death sentence for just

812
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:58,279
Speaker 1: simply being there. My cousin Frankie, my uncle Chris, and

813
00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:02,960
Speaker 1: Michael Kenneth were given a sentence for being the protectors

814
00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:06,959
Speaker 1: of our family. No amount justice given in this court

815
00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:09,839
Speaker 1: will come close to what is deserved, but this man

816
00:53:10,080 --> 00:53:14,279
Speaker 1: deserves nothing less. That has been the rest of his

817
00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:18,400
Speaker 1: life in prison. Tony Rowden, brother of Chris Senior, and

818
00:53:18,600 --> 00:53:22,600
Speaker 1: Kenneth Roden speaks last by reading a statement from his mother,

819
00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:28,480
Speaker 1: Geneva Roden. George Wagoner, you are hell breathing on two signs,

820
00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:38,120
Speaker 1: are not reading. My grandchildren are not breathing. They are

821
00:53:38,160 --> 00:53:43,360
Speaker 1: all children left behind. I'd just like to see some

822
00:53:43,560 --> 00:53:50,080
Speaker 1: guests with all of the impact statements heard. Judge Randy

823
00:53:50,160 --> 00:53:53,520
Speaker 1: Deering addresses the court, mister Wagoners, or any reason that

824
00:53:53,640 --> 00:53:57,440
Speaker 1: you want to states like sentence should not be pronounced

825
00:53:57,520 --> 00:54:02,399
Speaker 1: and in possed commedia. Is there anything that you wish

826
00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:04,640
Speaker 1: to say on your own behalf or any information you

827
00:54:04,719 --> 00:54:09,800
Speaker 1: wish to provide a mitigation? The judge then prepares to

828
00:54:09,880 --> 00:54:14,719
Speaker 1: hand down the sentence. First of all, no sentence that

829
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:17,640
Speaker 1: the court manposed in this case would right the wrong

830
00:54:18,680 --> 00:54:22,719
Speaker 1: that has been inflicted upon the victuals and their families.

831
00:54:24,040 --> 00:54:29,840
Speaker 1: Murder is an irreversible act. The court does find that

832
00:54:30,320 --> 00:54:34,320
Speaker 1: these murders do constitute the worst form of the offense,

833
00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:37,280
Speaker 1: and the court quite frankly finds the contentive has showed

834
00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:42,120
Speaker 1: no remorse, just denial to the courts considered all of

835
00:54:42,200 --> 00:54:47,480
Speaker 1: these factors that the course required to consider, and again

836
00:54:47,719 --> 00:54:51,839
Speaker 1: is ready to impose sentence. So mister Wagner run asked

837
00:54:51,840 --> 00:54:57,560
Speaker 1: me to stay. George Wagner stands. Won't count one of

838
00:54:57,719 --> 00:55:01,920
Speaker 1: the indictment for the offensive aggervation murdered in violation Section

839
00:55:02,040 --> 00:55:05,400
Speaker 1: two nine three point one eighth of the Revised Code,

840
00:55:05,719 --> 00:55:09,480
Speaker 1: the victim of that offense being Kenneth Rod accorded by

841
00:55:09,560 --> 00:55:14,080
Speaker 1: sentences you to serve a mandatory term of life imprisonment

842
00:55:14,239 --> 00:55:17,680
Speaker 1: without parole. George Wagner is sentenced to life in prison

843
00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:22,560
Speaker 1: without parole for all eight aggravated murder charges. Judge during

844
00:55:22,600 --> 00:55:27,239
Speaker 1: then hands down sentences for fourteen additional counts. The aggregate

845
00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:34,319
Speaker 1: of the sentence is eight consecutive terms of life imprisonment

846
00:55:34,520 --> 00:55:39,359
Speaker 1: without parole plus one hundred twenty one years, eighty one

847
00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:45,200
Speaker 1: years of which are mandatory anything. If not, then we

848
00:55:45,320 --> 00:55:48,920
Speaker 1: are journey. The final few charges can be served concurrently,

849
00:55:49,239 --> 00:55:51,759
Speaker 1: but in the end the full sentence is for eight

850
00:55:52,040 --> 00:55:56,040
Speaker 1: consecutive life sentences in prison plus one hundred and twenty

851
00:55:56,080 --> 00:56:00,600
Speaker 1: one years in prison, to be served consecutively. The prosecution

852
00:56:00,680 --> 00:56:04,000
Speaker 1: agrees with the sentence. We're satisfied with it. The most

853
00:56:04,040 --> 00:56:08,320
Speaker 1: important thing was getting those eight life without paroles. George Wagner,

854
00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:11,040
Speaker 1: the fourth will never be in a position to hurt

855
00:56:11,080 --> 00:56:14,279
Speaker 1: anyone ever again. I'm just happy for a family that

856
00:56:14,360 --> 00:56:17,080
Speaker 1: they got to see this, They actually got some justice.

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Speaker 1: At this point, George Wagner could file an appeal. Jake

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Speaker 1: Wagner is serving life without parole. Angela Wagner is sentenced

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Speaker 1: to be in prison until she is eighty years old.

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Speaker 1: Billy Wagner is next to go to trial for the murders.

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Speaker 1: Now all eyes are on Billy Wagner, the dad who

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Speaker 1: faces the same charges that George faced. Billy's trial is

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Speaker 1: still expected to happen at some point next Year's been

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Speaker 1: such a long, awful I've rode for you all. I'm

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Speaker 1: sure you're feeling a lot of emotions, but can you

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Speaker 1: give us any sense of what you're feeling just right now?

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Speaker 1: A little bit of peace. We still have a long

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Speaker 1: road to go. We'll get there. It's we are. Family

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00:57:04,280 --> 00:57:07,800
Speaker 1: is now put brusher on Billy to complete guilty. We

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Speaker 1: can only hope as the season comes to a close,

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Speaker 1: we felt it was important to have one of the

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Speaker 1: Roden family members have the last word. On December nineteenth,

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty two, Chris Senior and Kenneth's brother Tony Roden

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Speaker 1: made a statement in court. His words remind us of

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Speaker 1: the strength, love and loyalty that encompasses not just the victims,

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Speaker 1: but those they left behind. I lost two brothers, Chris

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Speaker 1: Roden Senior Kenneth Roden. I also lost a niece, Andy Roden.

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Speaker 1: Also lost two nephews, Frankie Roden Chris Roden. I also

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Speaker 1: lost a cousin, Gary Roden. I also lost a sister

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Speaker 1: in law, the Roden Manly. I also lost my nephew,

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00:58:01,600 --> 00:58:09,720
Speaker 1: Frankie's fiance, Adam Hazel Guilty. I have so many memories

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Speaker 1: of my brother Chris that I wish I could put

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Speaker 1: them all down on paper, so whoever hears this today

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Speaker 1: could see through my memories how my brother Chris really

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Speaker 1: was carried gracious, loving family man and kind. My brother Kenneth,

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Speaker 1: my mom's son as a young Bloyd, he would always

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Speaker 1: hang out with me and my other brothers, Chris, Stephen,

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Speaker 1: and Brady. Loved old cars and old trucks, even at

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Speaker 1: a head. He loved his family and he always showed it.

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Speaker 1: When he married, he adopted two kids, loved them as

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Speaker 1: his own. My cousin Gary, my mom's nephew. He would

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Speaker 1: always help people. I would be working with him. We

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00:59:07,680 --> 00:59:11,920
Speaker 1: would stop at store to get something to drink. I'd say, Gary,

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Speaker 1: go in and get us something to drink, and he would.

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Speaker 1: But he also bought lottery tickets out my money. Loved

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Speaker 1: his family. His life cut short by selfish ACKs of other.

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Speaker 1: My sister in law, Damn, my mom's dog in law,

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Speaker 1: always spoke her mind. She would come to my house

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Speaker 1: and tell me what I needed to do at my

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Speaker 1: own house. When she walked in a room with other

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Speaker 1: people in it, she would always have people laughing. She

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Speaker 1: loved people and it showed she loved her family, would

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Speaker 1: do anything for them. Her life cut short by selfish

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Speaker 1: acts of other. On November the thirteenth, two and eighteen,

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Speaker 1: there was an arrest and the murders of my family.

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Speaker 1: The same year, around Christmas time, my sister woman played

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Speaker 1: phone pad back and forth trying to get the authorities

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01:00:16,480 --> 01:00:24,360
Speaker 1: to let and spend Christmas dinner at our family. So

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Speaker 1: it happened, and all the kids just loved him. And

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Speaker 1: at this Christmas dinner, our mom was handing out presents

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Speaker 1: to her younger grandchildren and her great grandchildren. Pictures were

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Speaker 1: being taken and then his name is called. He walks

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Speaker 1: up to mom. She puts him on her lap, she

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Speaker 1: has him to present, pictures are taking. She puts him

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Speaker 1: down and gives him a hub. I am sitting in

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Speaker 1: the kids Jane crying as I walk. There's no relation

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Speaker 1: to our family, but he is the defendant son. True love.

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Speaker 1: That's what Will showed that Christmas dinner. It was embedded

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Speaker 1: by our mom to all of her kids. We all

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Speaker 1: have it in us. Chris thought it through his gigs,

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01:01:25,680 --> 01:01:29,160
Speaker 1: it showed Kenneth thought it through his and it still

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Speaker 1: showed true love. For more information on the case and

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Speaker 1: relevant photos, follow us on Instagram at Katie Underscore Studios.

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Speaker 1: Now that the Pigton massacre has come to an end

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Speaker 1: this season, Katie Studios invite you to experience our new podcast,

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Speaker 1: Death Island. Just a few miles off the Thailand coast,

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Speaker 1: The island of Kotau looks like a postcard. It's almost

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Speaker 1: like if you were going to imagine a paradise island,

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Speaker 1: they'll draw a picture of one. That's what Katao looks like.

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Speaker 1: Young tourists from all over the world visit the pristine

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Speaker 1: come over the island and cast its shadow death, mystery,

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Speaker 1: and danger. I'm journalist Connor Powell. Even while making this podcast,

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Speaker 1: another death on the island just happened. One thing is

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Speaker 1: certain in this beautiful place, no coast is clear. This

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Speaker 1: is Death Island. That's like murdering someone in flame, squeat

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Speaker 1: and saying there's no witnesses. A production of Katie Studios

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