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Speaker 1: Making Conversations, But I just I go wherever I'm called.

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Speaker 1: So you know, it's it's sometimes it's fun and sometimes

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Speaker 1: I mean he killed it. That's my favorite sequence in

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Speaker 1: it was a real bummer for everybody when that got canceled.

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00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:18,360
Speaker 1: show were really fun to great transition to an amazing

640
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:21,800
Speaker 1: series that I had the fortune of screening this weekend

641
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:27,760
Speaker 1: and and watching amazing NAYR actress called Brooklyn Prince. You know,

642
00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:31,760
Speaker 1: you know, you know Dakota Fanning. I thought she was brilliant,

643
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:35,960
Speaker 1: you know, watching her do her thing, um, and didn't

644
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:38,600
Speaker 1: transition in through teen and now as an adult actress.

645
00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:42,440
Speaker 1: She is always very difficult to do um, I'm looking

646
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:45,240
Speaker 1: at this young lady tell us about her. Uh. In

647
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:48,480
Speaker 1: the whole casting process to bring on board, and before

648
00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:51,160
Speaker 1: we really get into detailed about the series, Home Before Dark,

649
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:56,400
Speaker 1: we were very lucky in that we were told that

650
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:59,520
Speaker 1: Brooklyn Princess parents were not that excited about doing a

651
00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:02,040
Speaker 1: television and shows that they you know, they knew that

652
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:04,760
Speaker 1: that was a commitment that they didn't necessarily want to

653
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:06,800
Speaker 1: put their kids through because they have a very they

654
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:09,560
Speaker 1: have very nice life in Florida, like as a regular family.

655
00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:13,120
Speaker 1: And um, we sort of the woman who brought me

656
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:17,040
Speaker 1: the original underlying material said to me, you know what

657
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:18,920
Speaker 1: if we just send it to her and let's just

658
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:21,240
Speaker 1: see what happens. And we got them to read it

659
00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:23,960
Speaker 1: and they and Brooklyn both loved and read the script.

660
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:25,959
Speaker 1: And in the means whom we had been we had

661
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:28,600
Speaker 1: been auditioning all of these other kids and none of

662
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:31,680
Speaker 1: them were getting it. I mean, looking back the idea

663
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:33,880
Speaker 1: that we were we decided to do a television show

664
00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:36,360
Speaker 1: about a nine year old girl without having the said

665
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:39,360
Speaker 1: nine year old girl attack already, who we knew could

666
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:42,080
Speaker 1: actually handle this sort of it's crazy that we decided

667
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:43,240
Speaker 1: to do that because the show could have been a

668
00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:46,880
Speaker 1: disaster with the wrong kids. UM. But we ended up

669
00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:50,520
Speaker 1: getting her and her father to read with John to

670
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:54,920
Speaker 1: our director UM on a long distance audition. And the

671
00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:58,480
Speaker 1: thing that was so remarkable was that Brooklyn and her

672
00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:00,640
Speaker 1: dad would like correct each other. I have this sort

673
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:03,120
Speaker 1: of peer relationship where like, hey, Dad, you missed the

674
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:05,400
Speaker 1: line and he's like, oh sorry, And you can see

675
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:08,960
Speaker 1: that they really respected each other as colleagues. As much

676
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:11,520
Speaker 1: as you know she's he's also her father, and that's

677
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:13,919
Speaker 1: exactly the same as the real healthy and her father.

678
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:17,120
Speaker 1: They deeply respect each other and they have a very

679
00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:21,360
Speaker 1: peer like relationships. They're almost like, you know, crime investigative,

680
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:23,440
Speaker 1: like crime partners in a lot of ways. The way

681
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:25,840
Speaker 1: that they tell stories is almost like the way like

682
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:28,280
Speaker 1: people who have been married for fifty years tell stories

683
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:30,399
Speaker 1: like remember when you did the thing in the place

684
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:32,640
Speaker 1: that Okay, find you tell that part like no, you

685
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:35,120
Speaker 1: got that part. And that's very much Brooklyn and her dad,

686
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:38,160
Speaker 1: because we knew that Brooklyn would understand what we were

687
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:42,000
Speaker 1: writing in terms of like reflecting the real healthy Oh,

688
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:45,480
Speaker 1: it's just beautiful. It's just a beautiful UM script. Uh.

689
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:48,920
Speaker 1: You know, the one thing I love about watching creative

690
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 1: writing is you know, the story, watching the story developed,

691
00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:55,120
Speaker 1: you know, and so but before we go into the story,

692
00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:59,600
Speaker 1: let's talk about the real healty. And yeah, and I

693
00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:02,200
Speaker 1: saw a social media post where you know, she had

694
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:05,759
Speaker 1: gotten stop by police officer I believe in Arizona, and

695
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:09,040
Speaker 1: so she videotaped that and they posted it and then

696
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:12,040
Speaker 1: you reach you you you've made a comment to on

697
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:14,920
Speaker 1: social media, and then she said something about she doesn't

698
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:18,360
Speaker 1: do any interviews, and it was really funny watch this

699
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 1: a little mature girl, I have this conversation with adults

700
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:24,080
Speaker 1: at a very professional level, talk about that whole that

701
00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:26,759
Speaker 1: whole relationship. I got all kicked off because I was

702
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:30,279
Speaker 1: just laughing watching I just watching the whole relationship fault

703
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:33,280
Speaker 1: build itself out on social media and your your interaction

704
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:35,960
Speaker 1: and you're a naturally funny person. Dog, I'm just gonna

705
00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:38,880
Speaker 1: let you thank you. It's really funny, it's really sweet.

706
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:43,080
Speaker 1: I mean, so, yes, she is incredible. She's a tiny warrior.

707
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:47,480
Speaker 1: And now she's actually not so tiny anymore. She's at

708
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:51,239
Speaker 1: years old. Um, but when we met her, she was

709
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:53,359
Speaker 1: a tiny warrior. And you know, one of the things

710
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:55,680
Speaker 1: that I actually I love about that video that you're

711
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:57,640
Speaker 1: talking about, By the way, that's a great example of

712
00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:02,040
Speaker 1: like using your privilege in a way that your people can't. UM.

713
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:04,360
Speaker 1: And I think that even though she's a journalist and

714
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:06,840
Speaker 1: she's non biased, I think she's very aware of that.

715
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:09,200
Speaker 1: I think that she's aware of what she can and

716
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:13,799
Speaker 1: can't do, and feels the obligation to report on those

717
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:17,640
Speaker 1: things specifically because she can. UM. One of those things

718
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:19,840
Speaker 1: that she said to us was, you know, one of

719
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:21,920
Speaker 1: the one of her Even though she doesn't like it

720
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:24,239
Speaker 1: when people call her a young journalist, she's just a

721
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:28,360
Speaker 1: journalist to her. She's also aware that, like being a

722
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:31,839
Speaker 1: young female white child in America, I mean, the people

723
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:34,120
Speaker 1: will sort of say and do things around her, they'll

724
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:36,239
Speaker 1: let their guard down in a way that they kind

725
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:40,360
Speaker 1: of normally wouldn't. And that was I mean, people literally

726
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:42,880
Speaker 1: would just confess things to her. You know, she in

727
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:47,040
Speaker 1: her tiny town in Pennsylvania. She uncovered a mess ring,

728
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:52,840
Speaker 1: she uncovered a vandalism rings. And basically these were just

729
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:57,400
Speaker 1: people who didn't take her seriously enough to realize that

730
00:36:57,480 --> 00:37:01,239
Speaker 1: she was going to be essentially handing them straight into

731
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:07,680
Speaker 1: the arms of d S. Sorry. UM. And so we

732
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 1: were really just so taken by her, and we were

733
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:15,560
Speaker 1: really taken also by, you know, her relationship with her father,

734
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:19,520
Speaker 1: who was a daily news reporter UM for many, many

735
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:22,759
Speaker 1: years covered homicides in the Bronx and covered Save One Martin,

736
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:26,000
Speaker 1: and covered New Town. And he got so disillusioned by

737
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:31,040
Speaker 1: the news and the clickbait of it all that he left.

738
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:33,920
Speaker 1: He left New York. He took his four girls and

739
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:36,719
Speaker 1: his wife and brought them to seal Scow, Pennsylvania, back

740
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:39,680
Speaker 1: where he was from, and he could write. He was

741
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:43,160
Speaker 1: really depressed. Um. He was supposed to be writing a book.

742
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:46,640
Speaker 1: And Hilde, who he had taken to all of these

743
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:48,760
Speaker 1: crime scenes, was the only one of his four daughters

744
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:51,799
Speaker 1: who had been interested in journalism, started riding her bike

745
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:56,640
Speaker 1: around sealing Scrow, Pennsylvania and reporting these very small, very

746
00:37:56,719 --> 00:37:59,640
Speaker 1: truthful stories, including just down the street, a man killed

747
00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:02,320
Speaker 1: his wife for the hammer, and she scooped the local

748
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:07,400
Speaker 1: paper of that story. UM, and and then those the

749
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:10,640
Speaker 1: story went viral, and the comments for the story went viral.

750
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:12,560
Speaker 1: The comments were awful. They were all about, you know,

751
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:14,720
Speaker 1: you're just a little girl, why aren't you having tea parties?

752
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:16,239
Speaker 1: And she's like, if you don't like the news. Why

753
00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:21,160
Speaker 1: don't you do something about the news? And I love

754
00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:25,160
Speaker 1: and that brought Matt, her dad out of his depression,

755
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:28,520
Speaker 1: and it really brought the whole family. Shining a light

756
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:32,560
Speaker 1: on the truth and reporting just the facts brought the

757
00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:34,480
Speaker 1: whole family back together. So I mean, I don't know

758
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:37,359
Speaker 1: how this to be not inspired by that story. You know, well,

759
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:39,320
Speaker 1: you do the thing about it. You could be inspired

760
00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:42,480
Speaker 1: by the store, but how you develop it and make

761
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:46,480
Speaker 1: it and maintain some level of realness and also entertainment

762
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:50,360
Speaker 1: because this is entertainment, And and then as you built

763
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:52,960
Speaker 1: the story out, you know, basically the reason the show

764
00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:55,319
Speaker 1: worked for me, it really is a parenting show. It's

765
00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:59,800
Speaker 1: a parenting storyline. It's about it's about a relationship between

766
00:38:59,880 --> 00:39:03,040
Speaker 1: a coming of age with her her sister, older sister.

767
00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:06,799
Speaker 1: You have a marriage that's it's it's dysfunctional, that has

768
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:10,759
Speaker 1: to find itself, a father, father's son. It's a lot

769
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:14,600
Speaker 1: of abc D stories that I felt were really relatable,

770
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:18,560
Speaker 1: and it's all sent around It's all centers around this

771
00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:22,120
Speaker 1: young girl, which is saying stay true to yourself, don't

772
00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:26,480
Speaker 1: let bullying turn you, don't let the people not understanding you.

773
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:30,200
Speaker 1: And even in the story as we go through, there's

774
00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:33,000
Speaker 1: some conflict with the dad, you know, because he suddenly

775
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:36,400
Speaker 1: wants to become a parent, and and and and and

776
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:39,480
Speaker 1: and it's really it's really that's what I enjoyed about it.

777
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:42,880
Speaker 1: And and I never was bored in the whole process.

778
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:46,080
Speaker 1: But it was just watching this young lady developed and

779
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:48,640
Speaker 1: then you guys doing that little nice little skills set.

780
00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:53,040
Speaker 1: She has like a photographic memory type and that's real,

781
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:57,520
Speaker 1: that's actually true, has that kind of memory. So it

782
00:39:57,600 --> 00:39:59,400
Speaker 1: was it was an easy thing to throw in there

783
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:03,160
Speaker 1: because it was reality of the of the real kids. Well,

784
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:05,160
Speaker 1: all I wanted to just say is this is that

785
00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:09,839
Speaker 1: you know this series right, you know, I recommended every

786
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:12,800
Speaker 1: all my fans on social media, all my fans whatever,

787
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:17,440
Speaker 1: Anty thousand um email fan newsletter goes out every Friday,

788
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:22,359
Speaker 1: nine am. I'm putting it in that um I from

789
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:24,839
Speaker 1: the very beginning, I fell in love with this young lady,

790
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:27,840
Speaker 1: Brooklyn Prince. If you guys know anything about them, to

791
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:31,239
Speaker 1: talking to my listeners, now look her up. She's a

792
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:36,680
Speaker 1: bona fide star and then she cries. She cries immediately,

793
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:40,560
Speaker 1: she laughs, immediately, she controls the scene. She knows how

794
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:44,160
Speaker 1: to she knows the level. But throughout I think the

795
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:47,320
Speaker 1: key in this series she remains a nine she remains

796
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:49,640
Speaker 1: a nine year old child, Darry. That was the key

797
00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 1: for me, you know, because sometimes can't get these these

798
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:54,799
Speaker 1: kids actors and they go, you you're an adult. You're

799
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:57,759
Speaker 1: not You're not an adult. You nine years old? Right?

800
00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:01,640
Speaker 1: And I never believe that she was not nine years old.

801
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:04,480
Speaker 1: She's just a small your girl. And I bought the

802
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:07,680
Speaker 1: storyline that guess what, you know, she learned these things

803
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:11,920
Speaker 1: from following her dead on crime scenes. And so all

804
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:14,160
Speaker 1: the all the layers that you wanted the story to

805
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:17,520
Speaker 1: bring credibility to stories, you definitely put in there. Your

806
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:20,799
Speaker 1: your skill as a writer, as a co creator, as

807
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:24,680
Speaker 1: a co executive doucer, as show runner, and all excuse me,

808
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:28,600
Speaker 1: executive and co show runner shows out and brilliant body

809
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:30,279
Speaker 1: at work. So so I just want to stay before

810
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:33,360
Speaker 1: the close. So what happens when you do a series, Dora,

811
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:37,120
Speaker 1: and then they renew it, they reknew it, do before

812
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:39,480
Speaker 1: you even air? What runs? Do your mind? And did

813
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:44,120
Speaker 1: you go I don't even know if I'm if I'm

814
00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:46,800
Speaker 1: supposed to say this, but I'll say it anyway, Like

815
00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:51,080
Speaker 1: we actually got renewed before we were even i think

816
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:56,280
Speaker 1: officially done with the pilot, essentially based on the basis

817
00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:58,319
Speaker 1: of how the pilot looks like it was turning out

818
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:01,040
Speaker 1: and how we had and all the other scripts for

819
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:02,759
Speaker 1: the season. So they were judging it based on how

820
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:05,080
Speaker 1: the scripts were coming in. So yeah, I mean we

821
00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:08,560
Speaker 1: were pretty floored. We we were. We were you know,

822
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:16,080
Speaker 1: there's those moments where you I mean, it was even

823
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:19,360
Speaker 1: more than even more than I'm renewed, although yes, absolutely that,

824
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:25,080
Speaker 1: it was also like how did I get this lucky?

825
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:28,120
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Like how do I get

826
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:31,319
Speaker 1: this lucky to live this life and have this opportunity?

827
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:36,040
Speaker 1: Like holy craps. So that was really incredible. Um, and

828
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:39,080
Speaker 1: you know, unfortunately the pandemic happened right in the middle

829
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:42,680
Speaker 1: of the second season. But you know, we'll get back

830
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:44,520
Speaker 1: to work as soon it's safe to get back to working.

831
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:47,080
Speaker 1: In the meantime, this has really offered me an opportunity

832
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:50,120
Speaker 1: to do a bunch of other stuff that I'm really

833
00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:55,880
Speaker 1: excited about. So, you know, appreciate, I appreciate you, I

834
00:42:55,920 --> 00:43:00,759
Speaker 1: appreciate you your body of work with talkingature. If fam mus,

835
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:03,319
Speaker 1: I'm gonna call it if fam mus Dara res Nick.

836
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:08,360
Speaker 1: You know I love you, girl. She has a great series,

837
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:11,800
Speaker 1: Come Home Before Dark. It started by man Jim Sturgeons.

838
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:15,359
Speaker 1: He's the dad of Brooklyn Prince. Who was this uh

839
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:19,359
Speaker 1: this this amazing young detective recorder. I can't wait till

840
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:22,200
Speaker 1: the next season series of shows coming because I'm telling

841
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:27,000
Speaker 1: you I started at ten o'clock on Saturday morning. I

842
00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:32,040
Speaker 1: finished at seven o'clock on Saturday night. I watched it

843
00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:34,440
Speaker 1: in my office, then I grabbed me a sandwich in

844
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:38,440
Speaker 1: the kitchen with my laptop and finally finished up watching

845
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:41,160
Speaker 1: my sprinkler system go off in my front yard on

846
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:44,600
Speaker 1: my front porch. It was that good. I'm telling you,

847
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:47,200
Speaker 1: Home Before Dark is a body of work that's this

848
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:50,920
Speaker 1: borderline uh fanatical for me. You know, I'm just I'm

849
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:53,359
Speaker 1: a nerd or now I'm a fan Okay, so Dark,

850
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:54,680
Speaker 1: I don't want to hold you any longer. I just

851
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:56,320
Speaker 1: want to let you know thank you for allowing me

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Speaker 1: which is a sequel to the Good Wife, which has

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Speaker 1: been renewed for a fifth season on CBS All Access,

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Speaker 1: which is CBS streaming service. He's an educated man with

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Speaker 1: an honorary Doctorate and Arts and Humanities from Virginia University Wow,

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Speaker 1: Honorary Doctorate and Arts and Humanities for Virginia Union University,

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Speaker 1: b F, a degree from Pumlati from San Francisco State University,

906
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Speaker 1: and a Masters of Fine Arts from New York University.

907
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Speaker 1: You have seen him play prominent roles in three Spike

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Speaker 1: Louis Spike Lee films, Malcolm X, Crooklyn Clockers, plus other

909
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Speaker 1: movies like Get Chartie, The Side of the House, Rules,

910
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Speaker 1: Going in Sixty Seconds, and one of my favorite, Ransom.

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Speaker 1: He'll be next scene in Spike Lee's new Netflix film

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Speaker 1: The Five Bloods. The premiers Friday, June twelve. Please welcome

913
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Speaker 1: to money Making Conversation. There are Lindo. How are you doing, sir, Well, yeah,

914
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Speaker 1: right now, I'm in Northern California. Awesome, awesome, Um, I

915
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Speaker 1: want to get started with this. First of all, I

916
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:43,240
Speaker 1: saw the movie and UM, I just wanted to compliment

917
00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:46,239
Speaker 1: you on this, um, this role. When you get a

918
00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:50,879
Speaker 1: script like this, sir, what are are there any expectations?

919
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:54,760
Speaker 1: Because you have outstanding monologues in it is a tortured

920
00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:58,640
Speaker 1: soul character. Uh, doesn't have a relationship with the sun

921
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Speaker 1: and the care in the movie. Tell us about the

922
00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:03,399
Speaker 1: script when it was, when you received it and as

923
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:05,560
Speaker 1: it developed along the way. We're talking about the script

924
00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:11,520
Speaker 1: The Five Bloods, which will premier Friday, June twelve on Netflix. UM,

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00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:14,759
Speaker 1: when I received the script, it was clear to me

926
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Speaker 1: that it was a very rich uh. Um I was.

927
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Speaker 1: I was. I feel really good about the fact. That's

928
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:27,320
Speaker 1: like it called me and just asked me, offered me

929
00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:32,360
Speaker 1: the part in the film. Um. Was one stumbling block

930
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Speaker 1: that I have when I first read the script, which was,

931
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Speaker 1: UM that the character is such an ardent Uh Trump supporter. Uh,

932
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Speaker 1: I am not Trump supporter. It was a little bit

933
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Speaker 1: of a stumbling block, but we got over that. I

934
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Speaker 1: read the script an additional two or three times and

935
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Speaker 1: I rationalized in my head, how and why, Um, the

936
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Speaker 1: character of Paul that I'm playing in the film would

937
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Speaker 1: arrive at a place where he feels compelled to to

938
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Speaker 1: vote for this person. UM Larger than that for me.

939
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Speaker 1: Um Equally, if not more important than that for me

940
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Speaker 1: is the fact that the more when I read the

941
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Speaker 1: script the first two or three times, it became really

942
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:23,880
Speaker 1: clear to me that Paul is a very large tragic character.

943
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Speaker 1: You mentioned him being a tortured soul, and my interpretation

944
00:49:29,239 --> 00:49:34,960
Speaker 1: was that he is a a tragic character in the

945
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Speaker 1: same way that a lot of Shakespeare's tragic characters, the

946
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Speaker 1: Hamlets and the Beths and the Othellos and any of

947
00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:46,160
Speaker 1: those kinds of characters, or the larger characters. And August Wilson,

948
00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:52,080
Speaker 1: Harold Rumors Um and I related to Paul as being

949
00:49:52,200 --> 00:49:55,879
Speaker 1: a tragic a large tragic character, and that was really

950
00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:59,239
Speaker 1: interesting to me um as an actor to kind of

951
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:03,040
Speaker 1: investigate it that And so I called back back and

952
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Speaker 1: I said, yeah, I'd love to do this, and I'm in.

953
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:09,200
Speaker 1: And to your question of how how it was working

954
00:50:10,239 --> 00:50:15,799
Speaker 1: um on on on the film, it was. It was extraordinary. Um.

955
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Speaker 1: We had the five of us and I'm including I'm

956
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Speaker 1: including Chadwick in this. We had a real ch rich bond. Um.

957
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Speaker 1: I say, the five of us I'm speaking about Clark

958
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Speaker 1: Peters as Love Jr. Norm Lewis, Jonathan and and Uh

959
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Speaker 1: and Chadwick. We had a really we formed a really

960
00:50:40,160 --> 00:50:42,919
Speaker 1: really good bond, and the bond that we had off

961
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Speaker 1: screen um found its way into the work that we

962
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Speaker 1: were doing in front of the camera. So overall it

963
00:50:49,680 --> 00:50:55,879
Speaker 1: was just a very very rich, enriching and deeply gratifying experience. Well,

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Speaker 1: you know, I I when I watched the movie, first

965
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Speaker 1: of all, it felt like a history lesson to me,

966
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Speaker 1: which was really which was really great. You know, to

967
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:08,960
Speaker 1: understand that because the Vietnam Vietnam War was it was

968
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Speaker 1: about history and how a lot of how Africans would

969
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Speaker 1: treat the African Americans would treated and how that era

970
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Speaker 1: was being dealt with both stateside, and when you were

971
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Speaker 1: over there fighting for a war that you had no no, no, no,

972
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Speaker 1: what I said, no beefan And so how how was

973
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Speaker 1: your take on that when you started? Even when Chadwick Boseman,

974
00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:31,200
Speaker 1: how how he worked a dialogue I'm talking about Spike

975
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:33,879
Speaker 1: Lee into his character which was Storm and Norman when

976
00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:37,239
Speaker 1: you guys were talking, and it really was brilliantly the

977
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:39,800
Speaker 1: way it was. It was It was articulated in the script.

978
00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:43,960
Speaker 1: Give me your feedback on that, sir. UM. You know

979
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Speaker 1: this was UM really well articulated, as you say, UM

980
00:51:52,719 --> 00:51:59,480
Speaker 1: the story. Yes, it was cleanly uh and sharply articulated

981
00:51:59,560 --> 00:52:01,960
Speaker 1: to turn times of the script that we had to

982
00:52:02,040 --> 00:52:04,520
Speaker 1: work with. And then on top of that, the work

983
00:52:04,600 --> 00:52:08,560
Speaker 1: that we put in I'd like to believe further sharpened

984
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Speaker 1: UM the message. UM. What I had done in preparation

985
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:19,160
Speaker 1: for for doing this work, I had spoken with a

986
00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:23,640
Speaker 1: number of Vietnam vets. UM or two that I spoke

987
00:52:23,719 --> 00:52:25,879
Speaker 1: with were my cousins. I had two cousins who were

988
00:52:26,560 --> 00:52:31,719
Speaker 1: uh Inam, both of whom UH suffered stuffer with pd

989
00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:35,959
Speaker 1: a PTSD, one of my cousins more acutely than the other.

990
00:52:36,640 --> 00:52:40,400
Speaker 1: But they shared a lot of their experiences with me.

991
00:52:41,160 --> 00:52:47,080
Speaker 1: And then I UM additionally spoke with I think five

992
00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:52,920
Speaker 1: four additional Vietnam vets. And then I spoke with U

993
00:52:54,040 --> 00:52:57,440
Speaker 1: a lady, a major who had been in Iraq, and

994
00:52:57,560 --> 00:53:03,080
Speaker 1: she spoke with me at length about her experiences with PTSD. So,

995
00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:06,520
Speaker 1: going into the film, I felt that I had a

996
00:53:06,640 --> 00:53:12,880
Speaker 1: really good foundation to start working. And as we worked,

997
00:53:13,480 --> 00:53:18,240
Speaker 1: when when you mentioned some of the monologues, that Chadwick

998
00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:22,280
Speaker 1: has and the fact that he's he's articulating really clearly

999
00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:25,600
Speaker 1: from a from a socio political and cultural point of view,

1000
00:53:26,520 --> 00:53:30,759
Speaker 1: that we had no business being there, and and Chadwick's

1001
00:53:31,600 --> 00:53:35,040
Speaker 1: characters going the norm is a man who is attempting

1002
00:53:35,640 --> 00:53:42,280
Speaker 1: to uh, exactly a measure of um, what's the word.

1003
00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:45,160
Speaker 1: I don't want to give the plot of a way,

1004
00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:48,960
Speaker 1: but if we're going to be there fighting this war,

1005
00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:51,840
Speaker 1: we're going to get something out of it for ourselves

1006
00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:55,000
Speaker 1: and more importantly for our people. And that is a

1007
00:53:55,200 --> 00:54:00,120
Speaker 1: central tenant, a central component of what this story is.

1008
00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:02,640
Speaker 1: And so do your question about how it felt working

1009
00:54:02,760 --> 00:54:06,840
Speaker 1: on it? Um, it felt it felt right, itselt. You know,

1010
00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:10,080
Speaker 1: There's there's something that is really extraordinary for an actor,

1011
00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:13,759
Speaker 1: and that is when you're working on the two that

1012
00:54:13,960 --> 00:54:20,040
Speaker 1: you believe in. And I believed in this material. I

1013
00:54:20,160 --> 00:54:23,560
Speaker 1: believed in what we were doing as a unit, um,

1014
00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:27,120
Speaker 1: and I think all of us did, and certainly I

1015
00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:31,480
Speaker 1: believed in Spike's ambition to tell this story in the

1016
00:54:31,560 --> 00:54:35,279
Speaker 1: way that he did. So to a question about how

1017
00:54:35,360 --> 00:54:39,600
Speaker 1: I felt about, you know, um, Chadwick's monologues, they just

1018
00:54:39,719 --> 00:54:46,319
Speaker 1: felt right. And our job then was to present those

1019
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:51,919
Speaker 1: words in as um dramatically compelling away as we could.

1020
00:54:52,920 --> 00:54:55,360
Speaker 1: I'm talking to my man darry Or Lindo, one of

1021
00:54:55,400 --> 00:54:58,200
Speaker 1: the stars of The Five Blood. The premiers Friday, June

1022
00:54:58,239 --> 00:55:01,160
Speaker 1: twelfth on Netflix. The I blow us about movie about

1023
00:55:01,160 --> 00:55:04,120
Speaker 1: five guys who served together in Vietnam, But it's also

1024
00:55:04,160 --> 00:55:06,320
Speaker 1: a movie about black history, which we just talked about.

1025
00:55:06,640 --> 00:55:09,440
Speaker 1: It plays out like a reunion movie, but there are

1026
00:55:09,800 --> 00:55:15,719
Speaker 1: it's really also a treasure hunting movie too, correct, That's right? Uh,

1027
00:55:15,840 --> 00:55:18,440
Speaker 1: And I think one of the one and again without

1028
00:55:18,480 --> 00:55:24,480
Speaker 1: giving the product way, you think one of the real

1029
00:55:25,520 --> 00:55:29,360
Speaker 1: positive components of this story is that it kind of

1030
00:55:29,560 --> 00:55:34,800
Speaker 1: crosses a number of genres. Right. You mentioned the treasure hunts,

1031
00:55:35,200 --> 00:55:39,360
Speaker 1: You mentioned the the fact that it's it's there are

1032
00:55:39,520 --> 00:55:43,840
Speaker 1: historical components that we're addressing in the film. For myself,

1033
00:55:44,520 --> 00:55:48,000
Speaker 1: I also think of the film as a love story

1034
00:55:48,160 --> 00:55:52,440
Speaker 1: between these five men. The five brothers have a connection,

1035
00:55:52,600 --> 00:55:55,960
Speaker 1: a deep, deep, deep, deep, deep connection, and out of

1036
00:55:56,040 --> 00:55:59,600
Speaker 1: that connection, they are compelled, um to go back and

1037
00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:04,840
Speaker 1: and set the record straight. Um. So you know, it

1038
00:56:07,080 --> 00:56:12,160
Speaker 1: covers a number of different genres. Um. Ultimately, though, I

1039
00:56:12,640 --> 00:56:14,799
Speaker 1: in my own personal opinion, I think it's a love

1040
00:56:14,880 --> 00:56:18,480
Speaker 1: story between these these guys and with regard to the

1041
00:56:18,600 --> 00:56:22,000
Speaker 1: historical components, one of the most critical, one of the

1042
00:56:22,120 --> 00:56:26,160
Speaker 1: critically important components and aspects of this film is the

1043
00:56:26,280 --> 00:56:30,200
Speaker 1: fact that you have these five cats who are front

1044
00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:36,279
Speaker 1: and center in this quote unquote um war UM, this

1045
00:56:36,520 --> 00:56:42,040
Speaker 1: conflict related story. Because because because of the fact that

1046
00:56:42,120 --> 00:56:46,719
Speaker 1: it's said squarely in the center of the Vietnam War UM,

1047
00:56:49,000 --> 00:56:54,000
Speaker 1: it doesn't have is being told from their point of view,

1048
00:56:54,440 --> 00:56:58,160
Speaker 1: and that rarely, rarely happens, almost never happened. You know.

1049
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Speaker 1: The thing. The thing I wanted to make a comment

1050
00:57:00,320 --> 00:57:04,440
Speaker 1: and other reasons I think important. It's it's it's important

1051
00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:06,440
Speaker 1: what you're saying, and it's important to the fact that

1052
00:57:07,360 --> 00:57:09,360
Speaker 1: I've been fortunate to see you in a lot of

1053
00:57:09,480 --> 00:57:13,239
Speaker 1: great roles. You know, you have a brilliant career. I

1054
00:57:13,400 --> 00:57:17,040
Speaker 1: will tell you what I saw you doing this movie.

1055
00:57:17,600 --> 00:57:21,040
Speaker 1: The monologue you were delivering dead on into this into

1056
00:57:21,080 --> 00:57:26,360
Speaker 1: the into the camera was incredible acting. And I pray

1057
00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:30,520
Speaker 1: that I see you rewarded for your acting effort in

1058
00:57:30,560 --> 00:57:33,320
Speaker 1: this movie. It was that good, there are it was

1059
00:57:33,520 --> 00:57:37,800
Speaker 1: that good, fantastic or that And that's why I said

1060
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Speaker 1: it was a tortured soul to me because of the

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Speaker 1: fact that you know, the relationship that you couldn't understand

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00:57:42,480 --> 00:57:45,480
Speaker 1: what your son you know, and we learned about that,

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00:57:46,120 --> 00:57:47,800
Speaker 1: you know, the problem that you was coming back into

1064
00:57:47,880 --> 00:57:50,920
Speaker 1: a country that you didn't feel comfortable while you know,

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00:57:51,240 --> 00:57:54,200
Speaker 1: even though there was love, that was still a disconnect

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00:57:54,280 --> 00:57:56,720
Speaker 1: between you and your boys, and it kept trying to

1067
00:57:56,800 --> 00:57:59,720
Speaker 1: wrap their arms around you. And we later all find

1068
00:57:59,760 --> 00:58:03,560
Speaker 1: out why you're emotionally distraught like the way you are.

1069
00:58:03,960 --> 00:58:06,200
Speaker 1: But the journey, can you can you get get a

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Speaker 1: little bit more detail about that journey Because I'm not

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00:58:09,080 --> 00:58:11,080
Speaker 1: an actor. All I can do is just watch great

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00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:15,440
Speaker 1: moments on screen. And when I saw you take all

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00:58:15,520 --> 00:58:19,440
Speaker 1: these levels, these anger, anger levels, these happy levels, like

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00:58:19,720 --> 00:58:21,920
Speaker 1: the nightclub scene when you would dancing. I'm gonna tell

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00:58:21,920 --> 00:58:25,240
Speaker 1: you something. I already told Clark he couldn't dance. I

1076
00:58:25,400 --> 00:58:29,520
Speaker 1: told I said, anybody doing the chicken in the movie

1077
00:58:29,600 --> 00:58:31,480
Speaker 1: can't dance. I'm just gonna tell you that right there now,

1078
00:58:31,600 --> 00:58:34,000
Speaker 1: there are you can't do the chicken. You can't dance.

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Speaker 1: And then uh, I said, he was trying to be cool.

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00:58:37,400 --> 00:58:40,120
Speaker 1: But all the brothers who had their act together there

1081
00:58:40,120 --> 00:58:43,560
Speaker 1: are it was you. You had the smooth. He was

1082
00:58:43,640 --> 00:58:46,240
Speaker 1: on the left hand side, he was smoothing and up

1083
00:58:46,280 --> 00:58:49,120
Speaker 1: there on that Marvin Gate song, I said, my man,

1084
00:58:49,400 --> 00:58:52,560
Speaker 1: that's him right there. It was those fun moments in

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00:58:52,640 --> 00:58:55,240
Speaker 1: a movie that showed me the love that you were

1086
00:58:55,280 --> 00:58:59,640
Speaker 1: talking about. That played throughout each moment in the movie,

1087
00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:03,680
Speaker 1: even when you were emotionally destruct they still came to

1088
00:59:03,760 --> 00:59:06,800
Speaker 1: your restu trying to understand what's wrong. What's wrong? Let

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00:59:06,920 --> 00:59:09,080
Speaker 1: us in, brother, Let us in brother. That's what I

1090
00:59:09,200 --> 00:59:11,400
Speaker 1: was just saying. It just it. It takes it took

1091
00:59:11,400 --> 00:59:13,480
Speaker 1: a moment for you to wrap your head around each

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00:59:13,520 --> 00:59:16,040
Speaker 1: scene or just or just took each the character. I'm

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00:59:16,040 --> 00:59:18,440
Speaker 1: a player and just staying character the whole time. Can

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00:59:18,480 --> 00:59:22,840
Speaker 1: you talk to us about that? Um? Yeah, Before I

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00:59:23,040 --> 00:59:24,959
Speaker 1: speak to that, I just wanted to say something about

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00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:28,360
Speaker 1: because you mentioned it a couple of times, the relationship

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00:59:28,400 --> 00:59:31,440
Speaker 1: between myself and my son played by Jonathan What was

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00:59:32,200 --> 00:59:39,920
Speaker 1: gratifying about um investigating that relationship in the film is

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00:59:39,960 --> 00:59:44,440
Speaker 1: the fact, clearly as you as you accurately mentioned, clearly,

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of tension between myself and my son. However,

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00:59:52,080 --> 00:59:56,600
Speaker 1: what was what was what was rewarding for me affirming

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00:59:57,480 --> 01:00:01,280
Speaker 1: is the fact that fundamentally there is love there between

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01:00:01,320 --> 01:00:05,080
Speaker 1: these two men, myself and my son. And even though

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01:00:05,360 --> 01:00:13,240
Speaker 1: it was a very very fraught relationship. UM, what was

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01:00:13,560 --> 01:00:16,280
Speaker 1: what made it, what made it interesting to work on

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01:00:17,040 --> 01:00:19,800
Speaker 1: in the film, UM, is the fact that it was

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01:00:19,920 --> 01:00:24,320
Speaker 1: clear to me that there was love there and that

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01:00:24,800 --> 01:00:29,000
Speaker 1: unflicked between the love and the lack of love, and

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01:00:29,280 --> 01:00:32,680
Speaker 1: and the and the dislike and the frustration felt very

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01:00:32,840 --> 01:00:36,400
Speaker 1: very human and very real to me. And that made

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01:00:36,480 --> 01:00:41,040
Speaker 1: it rich to UH to work on in the film.

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Speaker 1: UM with what was your original question? Because I kind

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01:00:45,840 --> 01:00:48,240
Speaker 1: of veered off. You know, it was great, but I

1114
01:00:48,280 --> 01:00:50,040
Speaker 1: wanted to I want to go to another moment because

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01:00:50,040 --> 01:00:53,120
Speaker 1: you've answered my question. It was the moment where because

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01:00:53,120 --> 01:00:55,440
Speaker 1: I was talking to the guys and it was just

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01:00:55,520 --> 01:00:58,160
Speaker 1: talking about your acting, and it was it was, I'm

1118
01:00:58,200 --> 01:01:00,280
Speaker 1: not giving away the movie when you walked off from

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Speaker 1: the guys. You like the moment when you walked out,

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Speaker 1: walked off. They say a storm, they said a storm.

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01:01:06,240 --> 01:01:09,640
Speaker 1: Suddenly we're just ugly head in that moment. But you

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01:01:09,800 --> 01:01:12,120
Speaker 1: have to stay in character and and and and and

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Speaker 1: play it out. You can you explain to me exactly

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01:01:14,640 --> 01:01:18,600
Speaker 1: what they were talking about. What, Oh, you're saying this

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Speaker 1: is what the other two actors references, Yes, saying that moment. Yeah,

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01:01:23,120 --> 01:01:25,720
Speaker 1: we walked to say this. Let me just say this

1127
01:01:25,920 --> 01:01:29,280
Speaker 1: about that, about that that moment in the film that

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Speaker 1: was that was a straight up gifts from God. And

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01:01:34,800 --> 01:01:37,840
Speaker 1: what I mean by that is that as I was

1130
01:01:38,000 --> 01:01:43,640
Speaker 1: walking away from um, from my compadres in the film, literally, man,

1131
01:01:43,920 --> 01:01:47,560
Speaker 1: the sky opened up and there was a storm. It

1132
01:01:47,760 --> 01:01:50,080
Speaker 1: started to storm. It started, I mean the sky and

1133
01:01:50,160 --> 01:01:54,480
Speaker 1: it just started torrential torrential rain. The wind was kicking up,

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01:01:54,920 --> 01:01:58,160
Speaker 1: and we played through that right right, And trudeos to

1135
01:01:58,840 --> 01:02:02,960
Speaker 1: trudos to the sound the engineer because he got got

1136
01:02:03,040 --> 01:02:08,080
Speaker 1: it right. He able to record all the dialogue that

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01:02:08,200 --> 01:02:10,480
Speaker 1: was going on as I was walking away from them.

1138
01:02:11,000 --> 01:02:14,640
Speaker 1: The fact that there was this added dimension of the

1139
01:02:14,760 --> 01:02:17,680
Speaker 1: sky opening up and the fact that the scene ended

1140
01:02:17,760 --> 01:02:22,040
Speaker 1: up playing out in a storm that Spike and all

1141
01:02:22,120 --> 01:02:26,760
Speaker 1: the technical crew captured on film felt to me that

1142
01:02:27,040 --> 01:02:30,360
Speaker 1: that the film was anointed. Man when we when he said,

1143
01:02:30,800 --> 01:02:34,040
Speaker 1: when Spike finally said cut and I walked back to

1144
01:02:34,120 --> 01:02:38,080
Speaker 1: Lord towards Spike, and Spike had this huge grin on

1145
01:02:38,200 --> 01:02:43,480
Speaker 1: his sad jumping up and down love and I and

1146
01:02:43,640 --> 01:02:47,200
Speaker 1: it felt it just felt right. And I didn't say

1147
01:02:47,280 --> 01:02:50,640
Speaker 1: this to him in the moment, but internally I was

1148
01:02:50,760 --> 01:02:54,360
Speaker 1: feeling that was an anointed moment. It was because we

1149
01:02:54,480 --> 01:02:56,800
Speaker 1: could not have entered that, We could not have planned

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01:02:57,160 --> 01:02:59,800
Speaker 1: for the storm to start right at the end of

1151
01:02:59,840 --> 01:03:04,120
Speaker 1: that scene. Fact that that's going good start right at

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01:03:04,160 --> 01:03:06,560
Speaker 1: the end of the scene, for me, was indicative of

1153
01:03:06,680 --> 01:03:09,959
Speaker 1: the fact that this work was anointed. And having seen

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01:03:10,080 --> 01:03:13,680
Speaker 1: the film, um, I fulfilled that the work is annointed.

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01:03:13,880 --> 01:03:15,960
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you something when I because you know,

1156
01:03:16,120 --> 01:03:18,960
Speaker 1: I got a huge background in television and film and

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01:03:19,000 --> 01:03:21,560
Speaker 1: producing and all that. So I'm watching this scene right

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01:03:21,920 --> 01:03:24,200
Speaker 1: and I'm with my wife, I'm going, how they getting

1159
01:03:24,240 --> 01:03:29,760
Speaker 1: that rain like that? That? I it waste? It was

1160
01:03:30,240 --> 01:03:35,920
Speaker 1: called It's what we call a happy accident. Man. There,

1161
01:03:36,080 --> 01:03:37,920
Speaker 1: I'm trying to figure out where the water truck is.

1162
01:03:38,000 --> 01:03:39,720
Speaker 1: I'm trying to figure out how did they drop this

1163
01:03:39,800 --> 01:03:42,600
Speaker 1: water like this? I'm going, and you in it, and

1164
01:03:42,680 --> 01:03:45,920
Speaker 1: I'm like, Wow, that was a blessed man because you

1165
01:03:46,080 --> 01:03:49,600
Speaker 1: stayed in the moment though there are you stayed in it? Now?

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01:03:49,720 --> 01:03:52,400
Speaker 1: We all did. We all did. And one of the

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Speaker 1: things that really really astounded me was the fact that

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01:03:56,840 --> 01:04:00,960
Speaker 1: the sound the sound guy right, um acted he got

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01:04:01,040 --> 01:04:05,360
Speaker 1: it somehow. Um. And this is this is a test

1170
01:04:05,440 --> 01:04:08,360
Speaker 1: he just got to be a testament to his skill level.

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01:04:08,840 --> 01:04:12,520
Speaker 1: He was able to set the audio balance in such

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Speaker 1: a way that the fact that it was storming and

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01:04:15,280 --> 01:04:17,880
Speaker 1: raining and the wind was kicking up and he still

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01:04:18,040 --> 01:04:20,960
Speaker 1: was able to get Um, he still was able to

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01:04:21,040 --> 01:04:24,960
Speaker 1: get the audio quality. Now, you know, that was the

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01:04:25,040 --> 01:04:26,880
Speaker 1: scene that I did have to go into the studio

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Speaker 1: and do a d R. You know, I had to

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01:04:28,840 --> 01:04:32,480
Speaker 1: re record that tale ended of the scene. Still when

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Speaker 1: I stirst saw it on production, he had captured it

1180
01:04:37,280 --> 01:04:40,400
Speaker 1: and you know, um, it was just anointed. Man, I'm

1181
01:04:40,400 --> 01:04:44,080
Speaker 1: just gonna an expert. I didn't catch it, didn't see

1182
01:04:44,160 --> 01:04:47,640
Speaker 1: the I didn't see any at all. I heard it

1183
01:04:47,840 --> 01:04:50,440
Speaker 1: was played that you know the thing that I'm very

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01:04:50,480 --> 01:04:52,320
Speaker 1: I'm very first of all, thank you for being on

1185
01:04:52,400 --> 01:04:54,400
Speaker 1: the call with me, because when you see a project,

1186
01:04:54,440 --> 01:04:56,200
Speaker 1: you get to get into the mind of an actor.

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01:04:56,240 --> 01:04:58,200
Speaker 1: It's kind of like an acting class that I and

1188
01:04:58,240 --> 01:05:00,800
Speaker 1: then I can't act. So so anbody who's listening this

1189
01:05:00,960 --> 01:05:03,840
Speaker 1: really should gather some nuggets about how to do it right.

1190
01:05:03,960 --> 01:05:06,320
Speaker 1: Talking up, talking to all three of you guys, today

1191
01:05:06,400 --> 01:05:08,920
Speaker 1: has been a blessing of four over four decades of

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01:05:09,000 --> 01:05:11,880
Speaker 1: acting and directing and writing skills are being played out

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01:05:11,920 --> 01:05:14,440
Speaker 1: in a movie of this caliber, you know, And I

1194
01:05:14,640 --> 01:05:16,720
Speaker 1: just want everybody I'm talking about I'm talking about it.

1195
01:05:16,840 --> 01:05:18,919
Speaker 1: It was The Five Bloods consisted of Storm and Norm,

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01:05:19,000 --> 01:05:21,600
Speaker 1: which was played by he will Always be the Black Panther,

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01:05:21,960 --> 01:05:25,320
Speaker 1: Chadwick Balls Bozeman. You have Paul played by Darryl Roylando.

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Speaker 1: That's gonna pick you too, right now, and he was

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Speaker 1: played by Norm Lewis. Oh, this was Clark Peters. Melvin

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01:05:30,880 --> 01:05:33,680
Speaker 1: was Isaiah watched Isaiah Whitlock Jr. And then you have

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01:05:34,120 --> 01:05:37,440
Speaker 1: Paul's son played by Johnny Majors. And so when I

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01:05:38,080 --> 01:05:41,360
Speaker 1: Jonathan Major, excuse me, because you know the thing about

1203
01:05:41,360 --> 01:05:43,720
Speaker 1: it is that when I when I look at an

1204
01:05:43,800 --> 01:05:47,160
Speaker 1: individual like you, and we do bodies of work. And

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01:05:47,280 --> 01:05:50,720
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna be complimentary here. And because Spike Lee

1206
01:05:50,720 --> 01:05:52,400
Speaker 1: said in the article that you know, I didn't have

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01:05:52,440 --> 01:05:54,560
Speaker 1: a c G I budget to make the guys look

1208
01:05:54,640 --> 01:05:58,080
Speaker 1: younger in the flashback scenes. And I told the guys

1209
01:05:58,160 --> 01:06:01,760
Speaker 1: earlier whenever I think of my past, I only only

1210
01:06:01,840 --> 01:06:04,280
Speaker 1: see the people that I see, which are always younger,

1211
01:06:04,960 --> 01:06:07,080
Speaker 1: and so so that means that I'm still at my

1212
01:06:07,240 --> 01:06:09,480
Speaker 1: age when I'm looking, when I'm thinking about that moment.

1213
01:06:09,960 --> 01:06:12,880
Speaker 1: And so the acting that you guys were doing was

1214
01:06:13,000 --> 01:06:16,960
Speaker 1: so fantastic. If you guys would have been made younger,

1215
01:06:17,000 --> 01:06:19,480
Speaker 1: I'd got caught up into oh he doesn't look like that.

1216
01:06:19,520 --> 01:06:22,840
Speaker 1: Oh they did that because you guys stayed your age

1217
01:06:22,960 --> 01:06:26,160
Speaker 1: and stayed the moment and stayed the emotion. It carried

1218
01:06:26,240 --> 01:06:29,480
Speaker 1: the scenes through for me, and the reality stayed the reality.

1219
01:06:29,880 --> 01:06:33,120
Speaker 1: And so I've alread just let you guys, And that's

1220
01:06:33,160 --> 01:06:35,560
Speaker 1: a very good point. That's that's actually that's a great

1221
01:06:35,640 --> 01:06:38,760
Speaker 1: point because have we been, you know, be aged, you

1222
01:06:38,800 --> 01:06:43,480
Speaker 1: would have been looking at the technical aspect that it happened,

1223
01:06:43,520 --> 01:06:46,080
Speaker 1: and I would have been taken out of the story.

1224
01:06:46,400 --> 01:06:48,160
Speaker 1: So I think this, I think that's a great point.

1225
01:06:48,240 --> 01:06:52,720
Speaker 1: And I'll tell you that in terms of playing the scene, Um,

1226
01:06:53,440 --> 01:06:56,320
Speaker 1: so th are reading it in the script and then

1227
01:06:56,400 --> 01:06:59,360
Speaker 1: playing the scenes, it did not make any difference to

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01:06:59,440 --> 01:07:04,880
Speaker 1: deal with is parent age are different because playing the

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01:07:05,000 --> 01:07:08,160
Speaker 1: truth of the scene, none of the scenes with Chadwick,

1230
01:07:08,240 --> 01:07:11,240
Speaker 1: those flapping, those flashback scenes, as far as I'm concerned,

1231
01:07:11,280 --> 01:07:14,120
Speaker 1: none of us, um, none of us, Mr Bead And

1232
01:07:14,160 --> 01:07:16,120
Speaker 1: it was just about playing the truth of the scene,

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01:07:16,560 --> 01:07:18,360
Speaker 1: you know. And I want to say this too, and

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01:07:18,440 --> 01:07:20,200
Speaker 1: it goes back to when you say the love story,

1235
01:07:20,560 --> 01:07:25,040
Speaker 1: because the love that that Storm and Norm had, that's

1236
01:07:25,120 --> 01:07:29,040
Speaker 1: Chadwick's character for you guys as a leader, the best

1237
01:07:29,200 --> 01:07:32,600
Speaker 1: damn soldier that ever lived it in the Vietnam War,

1238
01:07:32,800 --> 01:07:36,680
Speaker 1: that's what he was proclaimed. And and he held you guys.

1239
01:07:36,720 --> 01:07:39,440
Speaker 1: He was the glue that held you guys together. The

1240
01:07:39,520 --> 01:07:42,160
Speaker 1: guy just told you you're gonna get back, that told you,

1241
01:07:42,520 --> 01:07:45,360
Speaker 1: you know, we deserve our own level of reparations here,

1242
01:07:45,680 --> 01:07:50,560
Speaker 1: you know. And and it was that journey of conversation,

1243
01:07:50,680 --> 01:07:53,280
Speaker 1: that journey of the hand slapping. Let's talk forget that

1244
01:07:53,360 --> 01:07:55,400
Speaker 1: that people think started now when they look at the

1245
01:07:55,520 --> 01:07:58,240
Speaker 1: NBA and lebron them during all those multi levels of

1246
01:07:58,400 --> 01:08:01,280
Speaker 1: hand slapping. Didn't know that started back there with us. Okay,

1247
01:08:02,040 --> 01:08:04,080
Speaker 1: then didn't know that that was something that was not

1248
01:08:04,200 --> 01:08:06,240
Speaker 1: something new the last five years they've been saying on

1249
01:08:06,360 --> 01:08:08,880
Speaker 1: in the NBA on the regular basis. That's that's what

1250
01:08:08,920 --> 01:08:12,000
Speaker 1: I'm talking about. I I appreciate the time you're taken

1251
01:08:12,080 --> 01:08:14,320
Speaker 1: from me, taking with me to do this interview because

1252
01:08:14,880 --> 01:08:17,760
Speaker 1: I'm talking to history. That's you, my friend. I hope

1253
01:08:17,960 --> 01:08:22,760
Speaker 1: History blesses you with Oscar nominations, sag Award nominations, all

1254
01:08:22,840 --> 01:08:25,760
Speaker 1: the nominations that are available in the fall should come

1255
01:08:25,800 --> 01:08:28,360
Speaker 1: your way. The monologues you were doing dead and on

1256
01:08:28,760 --> 01:08:31,639
Speaker 1: on those straight to the camera, I'm telling you, Mr

1257
01:08:31,760 --> 01:08:35,880
Speaker 1: Lindo were brilliant. They were brilliant. The fact that the

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01:08:36,000 --> 01:08:39,120
Speaker 1: whole character, now that I know that wasn't fake, rain

1259
01:08:39,240 --> 01:08:41,680
Speaker 1: coming down on you, I'm even more blessed by what

1260
01:08:41,800 --> 01:08:47,160
Speaker 1: I see. I really appreciate it. I appreciate you, and

1261
01:08:47,240 --> 01:08:49,880
Speaker 1: stay safe and uh and doing these pandemic times, and

1262
01:08:50,320 --> 01:08:52,120
Speaker 1: my prayers go out. Feel you in good luck, okay.

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01:08:52,240 --> 01:08:57,920
Speaker 1: June twelve, The fly Blood, Thank you. Look at your

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01:08:58,000 --> 01:09:01,160
Speaker 1: children's eyes to see the truth magic of a forest.

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01:09:01,600 --> 01:09:04,639
Speaker 1: It's a storybook world for them. You look and see

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01:09:04,680 --> 01:09:07,639
Speaker 1: a tree. They see the wrinkled face of a wizard

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01:09:07,840 --> 01:09:11,679
Speaker 1: with arms outstretched to the sky. They see treasuring pebbles.

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01:09:12,160 --> 01:09:14,840
Speaker 1: They see a windy path that could lead to adventure,

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01:09:15,240 --> 01:09:19,639
Speaker 1: and they see you. They're fearless. Guide. Is this fascinating world?

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Speaker 1: the Accouncil. Welcome out in my shoes. My next guest

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Speaker 1: is a self proclaimed original bad girl of comedy. You

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Speaker 1: have seen her in a story born Star Is Born,

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01:10:35,120 --> 01:10:37,439
Speaker 1: where she shared the screen with Lady Gaga and Bradley

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01:10:37,479 --> 01:10:41,799
Speaker 1: Cooper Dolan. Night is My Name, starring comedy legend Eddie Murphy.

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Speaker 1: She's also part of the cast of Coming to America Too,

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Speaker 1: appearing in the sequel I Got the hook up to

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Speaker 1: with my main master p plus a new show Time

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Speaker 1: comedy special which I just really saw and laughed my

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Speaker 1: butt off called Funny Women of a Certain Age. And

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Speaker 1: she was in two of my movies that I executive

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Speaker 1: to produce, Thinking like a Man and Thinking like a

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Speaker 1: man to please walk in to money making conversation for

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Speaker 1: the very first time, Loue Nell. Hey, how you doing that?

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Speaker 1: Lou Nell? Hey, listen. I gotta clarify something. Though I'm

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01:11:11,400 --> 01:11:16,240
Speaker 1: not self proclaimed the original backgirl of comedy, that nickname

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01:11:16,360 --> 01:11:19,800
Speaker 1: was given to me. Never be so cocky is to

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01:11:19,920 --> 01:11:22,280
Speaker 1: say that, But that name was given to me. Well,

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Speaker 1: let's talk about that. What does that mean when you

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01:11:24,240 --> 01:11:26,880
Speaker 1: say the original bad girl of comedy that was given

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Speaker 1: to you? What were you doing that made you get

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Speaker 1: that name? Well? Rick Sullivan, who was a comedy promoter

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Speaker 1: back California. Yeah, Rick gave me that name many many

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Speaker 1: years ago, and I guess he gave it to me

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Speaker 1: because you know, um, well, several reasons. I was a

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01:11:45,720 --> 01:11:49,640
Speaker 1: bad girl. I was a bad girl, um sphytisically, you know.

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01:11:49,760 --> 01:11:53,080
Speaker 1: I used to do a lot of little bar site

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01:11:53,680 --> 01:11:56,400
Speaker 1: like that. I was clipped quick to slap that they

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01:11:56,479 --> 01:12:01,439
Speaker 1: said something wrong back in the day, my suggar hand

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Speaker 1: now right. And but also because I was really really

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Speaker 1: um I guess bold in my statements and my delivery

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Speaker 1: back in the day. And there wasn't a whole lot

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Speaker 1: of women who were talking as reckless as I was

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01:12:19,360 --> 01:12:22,080
Speaker 1: then that you know, there was there was those people

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Speaker 1: who had um very um direct uh opinion of course,

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01:12:31,680 --> 01:12:36,559
Speaker 1: you know, but as when that's aggressive is yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: That's what I remember about you. You know you you

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Speaker 1: hit that stage. You were short, but you are a dynamite,

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01:12:42,720 --> 01:12:44,960
Speaker 1: you d you're a powder kid out there and you

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01:12:45,080 --> 01:12:47,400
Speaker 1: and and then and you know you you command the

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Speaker 1: stage too. You always could. Plus you had that gravelly

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Speaker 1: voice which made people listen to you and you and

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01:12:53,520 --> 01:12:55,839
Speaker 1: you were you are a character and it really always,

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Speaker 1: like said, the interesting thing about it is that, uh,

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01:12:59,720 --> 01:13:02,320
Speaker 1: I've I've watched your career, you know, I lived in

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Speaker 1: l A from ninten ninety finally moved to law to

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01:13:05,920 --> 01:13:08,479
Speaker 1: New York in two thousand five, and I started managing

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Speaker 1: Steve Harving two thousand So I got I get to

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01:13:11,240 --> 01:13:12,600
Speaker 1: I got to see your career, just like I got

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01:13:12,680 --> 01:13:14,720
Speaker 1: to see Kevin Hard's career in a lot of talent

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01:13:14,760 --> 01:13:17,559
Speaker 1: of the people who are who have risen to two

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01:13:18,000 --> 01:13:21,400
Speaker 1: levels that they are just exploding and really popular and recognizable,

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01:13:21,680 --> 01:13:24,320
Speaker 1: not only just in social media but on television. And

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01:13:24,479 --> 01:13:26,920
Speaker 1: so you know when I when I reached out to

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01:13:27,000 --> 01:13:29,360
Speaker 1: my staff and say I want to interview through now

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01:13:29,840 --> 01:13:32,479
Speaker 1: you know it's it. You know, it wasn't about that

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01:13:32,600 --> 01:13:35,200
Speaker 1: I've never talked to you or I never never sat

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01:13:35,240 --> 01:13:37,680
Speaker 1: down and you never shook your hand. It's just if

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01:13:37,760 --> 01:13:40,440
Speaker 1: I've always been a fan of what you are accomplishing

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01:13:40,520 --> 01:13:43,280
Speaker 1: and who what you represent and you represent on stage

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01:13:43,320 --> 01:13:48,839
Speaker 1: to me honesty, Well, I thank you for that, because

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01:13:49,040 --> 01:13:51,880
Speaker 1: I do try to keep it honest. It's just easier

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01:13:52,560 --> 01:13:54,880
Speaker 1: to be honest than it is to be fake and

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01:13:54,920 --> 01:13:58,160
Speaker 1: a liar. It's it's easier to be that in my

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01:13:58,320 --> 01:14:02,439
Speaker 1: real life and in my stage persona. I've never been

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01:14:02,479 --> 01:14:06,880
Speaker 1: a jokey, joke type of comic. I don't tell jokes

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01:14:06,960 --> 01:14:10,200
Speaker 1: like Michael Collyer, I think is the king of joke telling.

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01:14:10,360 --> 01:14:12,720
Speaker 1: That's true, but I don't. I don't tell jokes. I

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01:14:12,840 --> 01:14:16,960
Speaker 1: tell stories like Posby and like George Cornelin and stuff

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Speaker 1: like that. And so that's why it's always been hard

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Speaker 1: for me to do something like Artinio or or something

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Speaker 1: where I have to be on network television, my house

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Speaker 1: six minutes, my setups might take sit right right right. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's been difficult for me, but I was able to

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Speaker 1: do it because you know, when you're presented with a challenge,

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01:14:37,280 --> 01:14:39,920
Speaker 1: you you need to step up and do it. I

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Speaker 1: have been able to do it, but it's it's difficult

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Speaker 1: for me. Well, the thing about it is that how

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Speaker 1: do you is it? As an actress? Why would you

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01:14:47,800 --> 01:14:50,080
Speaker 1: describe you said? Are you a character actress or your

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01:14:50,120 --> 01:14:54,320
Speaker 1: comedic actress? Or what type of actress are you? I'm

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01:14:54,400 --> 01:14:57,320
Speaker 1: basically a comedic actress. But I did a lot of

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01:14:57,479 --> 01:15:01,240
Speaker 1: theater before I ever did film television. So I have

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01:15:01,520 --> 01:15:06,080
Speaker 1: done musicals and I have done dramatic acting, and I

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01:15:06,720 --> 01:15:08,800
Speaker 1: there's only one movie I think I've done where I

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01:15:09,240 --> 01:15:13,160
Speaker 1: really was straight dramatic and not comedic. At all, and

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01:15:13,280 --> 01:15:16,640
Speaker 1: that was Never Die Alone Robbie Reid cast me and

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01:15:16,720 --> 01:15:20,200
Speaker 1: Never Die Alone with d MX. You know, d MS

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Speaker 1: is no joke, and so that was all about drugs

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01:15:24,439 --> 01:15:27,080
Speaker 1: and murder and stuff like that. So I never did

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01:15:27,160 --> 01:15:29,479
Speaker 1: any comedy in that, But I taught myself a comedic

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01:15:29,560 --> 01:15:34,080
Speaker 1: actress because it's just my mind is wired so that

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01:15:34,840 --> 01:15:38,600
Speaker 1: I see the humor and a lot of things and

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01:15:38,800 --> 01:15:42,000
Speaker 1: that's my comfort zone. But I'm sure that at some

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01:15:42,160 --> 01:15:45,960
Speaker 1: point in time my career, I will be approached to

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01:15:46,040 --> 01:15:51,960
Speaker 1: do dramatic acting again. And I always have the problem.

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Speaker 1: I think that if I go too deep that I

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Speaker 1: may not come back out. You know, if I had

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Speaker 1: to h play you know, have I had to do

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01:16:01,040 --> 01:16:03,680
Speaker 1: something and like Selma, or if I had to do

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01:16:03,920 --> 01:16:08,000
Speaker 1: something and uh like you know, Roots or something like that,

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01:16:08,120 --> 01:16:09,760
Speaker 1: I think it would be difficult for me to go

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01:16:09,960 --> 01:16:14,840
Speaker 1: home and turn that off at night, right right right,

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01:16:16,080 --> 01:16:18,040
Speaker 1: They can get too deep into the character. I'm speaking

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01:16:18,040 --> 01:16:21,559
Speaker 1: to Little new Uh the original Bad Girl comedy. Um.

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01:16:21,760 --> 01:16:24,160
Speaker 1: She started in such movies that you were familiar with

1395
01:16:24,240 --> 01:16:26,800
Speaker 1: the stars born Ladies guy Guy Bradley Cooper in an

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01:16:26,840 --> 01:16:30,439
Speaker 1: incredible movie Dolmatt is My Name Eddie Murphy. I love

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01:16:30,520 --> 01:16:32,559
Speaker 1: that movie. We're gonna talk about that in a minute.

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Speaker 1: And coming into the much anticipated Coming to America too. Uh,

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01:16:36,640 --> 01:16:38,519
Speaker 1: you never left the stage as a stand up. You

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01:16:38,600 --> 01:16:40,559
Speaker 1: have a comedy special that you can catch right now

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01:16:40,680 --> 01:16:44,240
Speaker 1: with call the Funny Funny Women of a Certain Age.

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Speaker 1: That's and you have a couple of movies that have

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01:16:46,760 --> 01:16:48,720
Speaker 1: come up as well. Let's talk. Let's go back and

1404
01:16:48,760 --> 01:16:51,680
Speaker 1: talk about see to me, you're just naturally funny to me.

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01:16:51,920 --> 01:16:54,720
Speaker 1: So if somebody gives you a serious line the way

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01:16:54,760 --> 01:16:57,360
Speaker 1: you just twitsch words where you look, it can come

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01:16:57,400 --> 01:17:00,720
Speaker 1: out funny. And so so you're telling me that when

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01:17:00,760 --> 01:17:03,280
Speaker 1: you were cast on in The Stars Born, you were

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01:17:03,360 --> 01:17:08,760
Speaker 1: casting for comedy relief. No, if you remember, I only

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01:17:08,840 --> 01:17:12,320
Speaker 1: really had about seven seconds of screen trying and the

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01:17:12,439 --> 01:17:15,519
Speaker 1: Star Is Born. And that was strictly because I have

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01:17:15,640 --> 01:17:19,360
Speaker 1: a relationship with Bradley Cooper and he said, you know,

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01:17:19,840 --> 01:17:21,920
Speaker 1: I want to throw you mail in him Bradley want

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01:17:22,280 --> 01:17:26,280
Speaker 1: Bradley loves comedians. I mean there was Andrew Clay was

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01:17:26,400 --> 01:17:34,080
Speaker 1: in that, and and myself and Eddie Griffin. So it

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01:17:34,240 --> 01:17:37,960
Speaker 1: was just a little quick cameo, you know, I wasn't

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01:17:38,120 --> 01:17:41,120
Speaker 1: I definitely wasn't put in there for comic relief because

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01:17:41,120 --> 01:17:43,640
Speaker 1: I wasn't in there long enough. But most of the

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01:17:43,880 --> 01:17:45,960
Speaker 1: pictures that I do get cast, and that's that's what

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01:17:46,080 --> 01:17:48,639
Speaker 1: I'm there. I'm gonna just tell you this. I wasn't

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01:17:48,680 --> 01:17:50,800
Speaker 1: in the movie. There's a whole lot of people went

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01:17:50,880 --> 01:17:53,080
Speaker 1: in there for one second and the star is born.

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01:17:53,160 --> 01:17:57,519
Speaker 1: Lu Nell. Okay, you were in the movie. Okay, and

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01:17:57,680 --> 01:18:00,519
Speaker 1: and and got a credit in the movie. And I

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01:18:00,640 --> 01:18:02,960
Speaker 1: guess I saw you in the movie because I saw

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01:18:03,000 --> 01:18:05,519
Speaker 1: the movie three times. I wanted to. I see the

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01:18:05,600 --> 01:18:07,600
Speaker 1: beginning of it, that I see the middle, that I

1428
01:18:07,720 --> 01:18:09,320
Speaker 1: catched the end, and then I come back and see

1429
01:18:09,360 --> 01:18:11,760
Speaker 1: the whole movie and go, wow, I missed that, Paul.

1430
01:18:12,040 --> 01:18:14,000
Speaker 1: So I saw you in the movie. And so I

1431
01:18:14,080 --> 01:18:16,680
Speaker 1: always tell me one thing I always knew about you,

1432
01:18:17,360 --> 01:18:19,680
Speaker 1: even though you never spoke to me. You never saw me.

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01:18:20,080 --> 01:18:24,800
Speaker 1: I saw a humble person. Did I Did I misread you? No,

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01:18:25,120 --> 01:18:29,240
Speaker 1: you didn't misread me. Um. And I think that one

1435
01:18:29,280 --> 01:18:31,640
Speaker 1: of the only reasons that we really never spoke to

1436
01:18:31,720 --> 01:18:35,280
Speaker 1: found it because whenever I saw you, most of the time,

1437
01:18:35,360 --> 01:18:39,200
Speaker 1: you were so immersed in the Steve or you know,

1438
01:18:40,320 --> 01:18:43,320
Speaker 1: the kings of comedy you know, and and I would

1439
01:18:43,360 --> 01:18:46,400
Speaker 1: be backstage and you know, it ain't like listen, it

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01:18:46,520 --> 01:18:49,640
Speaker 1: ain't like ste you didn't talk to me either. It

1441
01:18:49,920 --> 01:18:52,479
Speaker 1: wasn't like you know, you ignored me. But there was

1442
01:18:52,560 --> 01:18:56,040
Speaker 1: just so much around them at the moment that there

1443
01:18:56,160 --> 01:19:02,200
Speaker 1: wasn't time for us to click. I I know that, Um,

1444
01:19:03,160 --> 01:19:05,760
Speaker 1: you know, it's easiest for me to be in the

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01:19:05,880 --> 01:19:10,479
Speaker 1: comedy zone. I know that I can do dramatic acting

1446
01:19:10,479 --> 01:19:12,880
Speaker 1: because like I said, I did theater before I ever

1447
01:19:13,960 --> 01:19:19,880
Speaker 1: did um anything else. Yes, but my my, uh, you know,

1448
01:19:20,400 --> 01:19:24,240
Speaker 1: A Star is Born, I was into Academy Award nominated films.

1449
01:19:24,600 --> 01:19:27,400
Speaker 1: A Star is Born was nominated for the Academy Award.

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01:19:27,760 --> 01:19:29,439
Speaker 1: I was able to go to the Golden Growth. I

1451
01:19:29,520 --> 01:19:32,320
Speaker 1: was able to go to the Stackward and so was Borat.

1452
01:19:32,479 --> 01:19:35,360
Speaker 1: You know, people forget about to us about that because

1453
01:19:35,360 --> 01:19:38,439
Speaker 1: that's really was your big moment, right well yeah, but

1454
01:19:38,560 --> 01:19:41,880
Speaker 1: black black people didn't latch on the boat and still

1455
01:19:42,000 --> 01:19:45,479
Speaker 1: have not the subside, but most didn't. That was like

1456
01:19:45,680 --> 01:19:48,320
Speaker 1: a big thing. You know. That got me a lot

1457
01:19:48,400 --> 01:19:51,759
Speaker 1: of attention in Europe and stuff like that because Sasha

1458
01:19:51,880 --> 01:19:57,600
Speaker 1: being from you know, uh London, me belie. Um, you know,

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01:19:58,200 --> 01:20:00,720
Speaker 1: I was really big with the whole Ali g thing

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01:20:00,800 --> 01:20:03,560
Speaker 1: and everything like that. Cluss On the same time that

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01:20:04,720 --> 01:20:08,240
Speaker 1: boor I came out, I was on tour with Catt Williams.

1462
01:20:08,920 --> 01:20:12,360
Speaker 1: So it's like I had a black audience that I

1463
01:20:12,439 --> 01:20:14,800
Speaker 1: had this white one, and then I'm just saying that

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01:20:15,000 --> 01:20:18,519
Speaker 1: was about doing bor At was that six months after

1465
01:20:18,600 --> 01:20:23,560
Speaker 1: the film came out, I was under guig order. I

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01:20:23,600 --> 01:20:26,639
Speaker 1: couldn't tell nobody that I wasn't the Protestant too, because

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01:20:26,680 --> 01:20:28,960
Speaker 1: I would reach my contract and here in l A,

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01:20:29,439 --> 01:20:31,360
Speaker 1: you could be talking to anybody in the bar and

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01:20:31,439 --> 01:20:33,880
Speaker 1: you say like that, what you don't know is they

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01:20:33,920 --> 01:20:36,200
Speaker 1: worked for the movie company or they sleeping when somebody

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01:20:36,200 --> 01:20:38,599
Speaker 1: worked when we would company and the kill and then

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01:20:38,720 --> 01:20:41,200
Speaker 1: you know you're in trouble. So for six months when

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01:20:41,240 --> 01:20:43,960
Speaker 1: I went out, there was people who see me in

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01:20:44,000 --> 01:20:50,759
Speaker 1: the bar to be like and you right, that's amazing.

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01:20:51,320 --> 01:20:54,080
Speaker 1: I also didn't get to do any of the promotional stuff.

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01:20:54,439 --> 01:20:57,920
Speaker 1: Sasha and Kim Davidian who played Azamat, they got to

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01:20:58,040 --> 01:21:00,080
Speaker 1: go on you know, Jay Lenod, they got to go

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Speaker 1: I'm there, They got to go on back and talk

1479
01:21:02,640 --> 01:21:04,639
Speaker 1: about the movie, and I didn't get to do any

1480
01:21:04,680 --> 01:21:06,960
Speaker 1: of that stuff. So I could have been that had

1481
01:21:07,080 --> 01:21:10,800
Speaker 1: my quote unquote tifany had this moment. But I get

1482
01:21:10,960 --> 01:21:14,680
Speaker 1: I got shut down a couple of times. Last year, Uh,

1483
01:21:14,840 --> 01:21:17,519
Speaker 1: the great movie came out called Dolan Is My Name,

1484
01:21:18,320 --> 01:21:22,679
Speaker 1: starring my man Eddie Murphy. Uh. It's kind of interesting

1485
01:21:22,720 --> 01:21:26,040
Speaker 1: because I'm a former stand up comedian, so Dolomite had

1486
01:21:26,080 --> 01:21:30,400
Speaker 1: an impact on me, and so so watching that movie

1487
01:21:30,520 --> 01:21:33,280
Speaker 1: is almost kind of like watching a bit of my

1488
01:21:33,479 --> 01:21:36,479
Speaker 1: life because I know where I met Dolomite. I performed

1489
01:21:36,520 --> 01:21:39,400
Speaker 1: with Dolomite, and so he had a place in my

1490
01:21:39,560 --> 01:21:42,240
Speaker 1: heart and and I got to grow, and then I

1491
01:21:42,360 --> 01:21:47,400
Speaker 1: got to see you Lunelle performing a very very funny character, uh,

1492
01:21:47,600 --> 01:21:50,680
Speaker 1: opposite Eddie Murphy and hold your own when you go.

1493
01:21:51,000 --> 01:21:53,200
Speaker 1: Eddie Murphy's kind of like the Michael Jordan's stand up

1494
01:21:53,280 --> 01:21:56,479
Speaker 1: comedy to me. Okay, so when you're sharing the screen

1495
01:21:56,520 --> 01:21:59,200
Speaker 1: with somebody like Eddie Murphy, do you what are your

1496
01:21:59,280 --> 01:22:01,840
Speaker 1: thoughts when you when you get catching a role like that?

1497
01:22:01,960 --> 01:22:03,760
Speaker 1: Do you are you nervous? Do you feel you have

1498
01:22:03,840 --> 01:22:05,880
Speaker 1: to step off? Do you do you what? What? What

1499
01:22:05,960 --> 01:22:10,200
Speaker 1: are your thoughts? Right there? Lou Nell, Well, I must

1500
01:22:10,280 --> 01:22:17,080
Speaker 1: say that had I not already had a relationship with Eddie.

1501
01:22:17,680 --> 01:22:20,360
Speaker 1: It would have been a total mind mind. You know

1502
01:22:20,400 --> 01:22:23,760
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, because he is the goat. Like for me,

1503
01:22:23,960 --> 01:22:27,960
Speaker 1: there's Richard and there's Eddie in that order, and then

1504
01:22:28,040 --> 01:22:33,599
Speaker 1: there's everybody up. Um. I knew Eddie socially. I had

1505
01:22:33,640 --> 01:22:36,600
Speaker 1: been the parties with Eddie and stuff like that. And

1506
01:22:36,840 --> 01:22:40,240
Speaker 1: Eddie knew me because I was very good friends with Charlie,

1507
01:22:41,560 --> 01:22:45,320
Speaker 1: Charlie Rest in Peace, Charlie Back, Charlie and I made

1508
01:22:45,439 --> 01:22:49,640
Speaker 1: movie together. Charlie and I did projects together. Charlie and I,

1509
01:22:50,240 --> 01:22:52,880
Speaker 1: you know, would kick it together. I went to go

1510
01:22:53,000 --> 01:22:55,519
Speaker 1: see him during the Black and Brown comedy get down

1511
01:22:56,000 --> 01:23:00,880
Speaker 1: with him and l and Jeorge Lopez and and um.

1512
01:23:02,520 --> 01:23:06,880
Speaker 1: You know, so Eddie knew knew me like for years.

1513
01:23:07,560 --> 01:23:09,800
Speaker 1: And I even have pictures here in the house with

1514
01:23:09,880 --> 01:23:14,800
Speaker 1: me and Eddie and all of that. Also, I knew

1515
01:23:15,160 --> 01:23:18,960
Speaker 1: Rudy as well. I just was had in my hand

1516
01:23:19,600 --> 01:23:23,600
Speaker 1: the Rudy Raymore Dolomite bobble head that Rudy gave me.

1517
01:23:24,040 --> 01:23:27,200
Speaker 1: Rudy gave your baba head. He gave me a backscratcher.

1518
01:23:27,720 --> 01:23:31,320
Speaker 1: He gave me some albums that were rated five X,

1519
01:23:31,520 --> 01:23:35,120
Speaker 1: like not triple eggs like five X and he gave

1520
01:23:35,160 --> 01:23:38,439
Speaker 1: me his whole video collection Pete which saw The Devil

1521
01:23:38,560 --> 01:23:42,880
Speaker 1: Sun Law and Dolomite is my name, I mean Dolomite

1522
01:23:43,080 --> 01:23:48,439
Speaker 1: and um, you know the like three others. So one

1523
01:23:48,479 --> 01:23:50,600
Speaker 1: of the things I knew for a fact is that

1524
01:23:51,920 --> 01:23:54,960
Speaker 1: Rudy did not want to be forgotten, you know. And

1525
01:23:55,320 --> 01:23:58,240
Speaker 1: what my agent came to me and was like, I

1526
01:23:58,320 --> 01:24:02,120
Speaker 1: got an audition for you to day and the movie

1527
01:24:02,240 --> 01:24:06,680
Speaker 1: is called Dolomite, it's my name. And I said, Dolomite

1528
01:24:08,000 --> 01:24:10,280
Speaker 1: making a movie about do mate? Is this for real?

1529
01:24:10,560 --> 01:24:14,800
Speaker 1: Y sering? And they were like that and um. Then

1530
01:24:14,880 --> 01:24:16,840
Speaker 1: they told me that it started Eddie Murphy and I

1531
01:24:16,960 --> 01:24:18,439
Speaker 1: was like, get out of here. I know I'm not

1532
01:24:18,479 --> 01:24:21,519
Speaker 1: gonna get to work with Eddie. Like come on, y'all

1533
01:24:21,640 --> 01:24:24,200
Speaker 1: just jerking my chain. You must just have people you

1534
01:24:24,320 --> 01:24:26,760
Speaker 1: want to audition and you just need to you know,

1535
01:24:27,840 --> 01:24:29,360
Speaker 1: the room, just running them through the room. They know

1536
01:24:29,479 --> 01:24:35,560
Speaker 1: what they got they want right right right. So I

1537
01:24:36,360 --> 01:24:39,479
Speaker 1: went to the audition and actually the audition that the

1538
01:24:39,560 --> 01:24:41,840
Speaker 1: part I was on Disney for was a part of

1539
01:24:41,960 --> 01:24:47,679
Speaker 1: Lady Read, not the part that I yet our audition

1540
01:24:47,880 --> 01:24:51,880
Speaker 1: for that role, and I had seven callbacks. We even

1541
01:24:51,960 --> 01:24:54,080
Speaker 1: did a screen test with the wig and with the

1542
01:24:54,160 --> 01:24:58,439
Speaker 1: outfit and everything like that. As it turns out, the

1543
01:24:58,600 --> 01:25:01,320
Speaker 1: role went to the vine Joy hand out, which is fine.

1544
01:25:01,439 --> 01:25:05,360
Speaker 1: I think she did a fine job and I like her. Yes,

1545
01:25:05,479 --> 01:25:08,240
Speaker 1: she's an old theater actress. That's why nobody knows who

1546
01:25:08,360 --> 01:25:11,760
Speaker 1: she is because theater is great. But you can You

1547
01:25:11,840 --> 01:25:14,720
Speaker 1: can do a chose a week for ten years on

1548
01:25:14,880 --> 01:25:19,360
Speaker 1: Broadway and do thirty minutes on television, and more people

1549
01:25:19,439 --> 01:25:22,040
Speaker 1: will know you in that thirty minutes than will will

1550
01:25:22,160 --> 01:25:24,840
Speaker 1: in the ten years you are Broadway. That's just a fact.

1551
01:25:25,240 --> 01:25:30,439
Speaker 1: So Davondo Aroundo is a theater actors. Then Craig Brewer,

1552
01:25:30,680 --> 01:25:33,880
Speaker 1: who had done Puzzle and Flow and did told them

1553
01:25:33,880 --> 01:25:36,879
Speaker 1: that is my name and has directors coming to America

1554
01:25:37,000 --> 01:25:40,320
Speaker 1: the quest. Craig liked me so much that he didn't

1555
01:25:40,320 --> 01:25:43,960
Speaker 1: want to let me go, and and he saw my

1556
01:25:44,120 --> 01:25:46,920
Speaker 1: dimensions and everything like that. Knew I could take direction

1557
01:25:47,280 --> 01:25:49,599
Speaker 1: after auditions seven times, so he gave me the part

1558
01:25:49,680 --> 01:25:52,519
Speaker 1: of Eddie's hands. So I was very very happy to

1559
01:25:52,640 --> 01:25:54,800
Speaker 1: have that because I didn't have to share the room

1560
01:25:54,880 --> 01:25:57,120
Speaker 1: with a bunch of cats. It was just Eddie and myself.

1561
01:25:57,320 --> 01:26:00,080
Speaker 1: Eddie and myself and I had a great time. And

1562
01:26:01,200 --> 01:26:06,000
Speaker 1: fast forward to Craig Brewer is now doing Coming to

1563
01:26:06,120 --> 01:26:10,559
Speaker 1: America and I didn't have to auditions for that cuign

1564
01:26:11,240 --> 01:26:13,439
Speaker 1: so I'm very happy to be in too. Eddie Murphy

1565
01:26:13,520 --> 01:26:16,719
Speaker 1: movies back to back and there's Coming to America's sequel

1566
01:26:17,120 --> 01:26:19,800
Speaker 1: is gonna blow everybody's mind. I was just telling my

1567
01:26:20,640 --> 01:26:25,879
Speaker 1: um Instagram live audience earlier that there's some fake flyers

1568
01:26:26,000 --> 01:26:29,799
Speaker 1: going around about Coming to America. They had Tiffany Hattish

1569
01:26:29,880 --> 01:26:32,639
Speaker 1: on them. Tiffany's not in the movie. They said it's

1570
01:26:32,680 --> 01:26:35,600
Speaker 1: coming out August seven. It doesn't come out to December.

1571
01:26:36,120 --> 01:26:38,519
Speaker 1: They said it's Coming to America too. It's called Coming

1572
01:26:38,560 --> 01:26:41,799
Speaker 1: to America the Quest. So there's fake flyers going around,

1573
01:26:41,960 --> 01:26:46,640
Speaker 1: don't believe that. But the sequel to Coming to America

1574
01:26:47,400 --> 01:26:49,760
Speaker 1: is one of the most amazing films that I've ever

1575
01:26:49,840 --> 01:26:52,679
Speaker 1: been on. The course we filmed on Tyler Perry's old

1576
01:26:52,800 --> 01:26:55,920
Speaker 1: studio and the new studio, I got a tour of

1577
01:26:56,080 --> 01:26:58,360
Speaker 1: a lot. I got to see the album stages. It

1578
01:26:58,560 --> 01:27:02,320
Speaker 1: was so prideful and so amazing. Plus, when you're watching

1579
01:27:02,680 --> 01:27:05,200
Speaker 1: Coming to America in the living room thirty years ago,

1580
01:27:06,240 --> 01:27:08,559
Speaker 1: you can't even fathom that there's gonna be a sequel

1581
01:27:08,640 --> 01:27:11,040
Speaker 1: thirty years later and you'll be in it. That's why

1582
01:27:11,120 --> 01:27:14,080
Speaker 1: when they say God can dream, dreams bigger. God got

1583
01:27:14,120 --> 01:27:17,200
Speaker 1: bigger plans to you that you could ever dream, It's true,

1584
01:27:17,479 --> 01:27:21,000
Speaker 1: you know. And I was very um lucky to be

1585
01:27:21,280 --> 01:27:26,360
Speaker 1: in this film along with the great John Amos and

1586
01:27:27,080 --> 01:27:31,160
Speaker 1: with James of Jones, and you know, Vanessa Belle Callaway,

1587
01:27:31,439 --> 01:27:34,320
Speaker 1: and there's so many of the people that were in

1588
01:27:34,400 --> 01:27:37,000
Speaker 1: it before. Mostly all the people that were here before

1589
01:27:37,200 --> 01:27:40,080
Speaker 1: are in it this time. The only person who passed

1590
01:27:40,080 --> 01:27:42,759
Speaker 1: away was a great Matt Sinclair who played Prince Ames

1591
01:27:42,800 --> 01:27:47,240
Speaker 1: and mother. And then there's cameos and other roles by

1592
01:27:47,360 --> 01:27:50,599
Speaker 1: other people that I can't say, giving me a hemorory

1593
01:27:50,640 --> 01:27:52,479
Speaker 1: because I got the pictures in my phone that I

1594
01:27:52,560 --> 01:27:55,559
Speaker 1: want to drop, and I've had almost a year now,

1595
01:27:55,600 --> 01:27:57,920
Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh, I understand the gridges. I want

1596
01:27:57,920 --> 01:28:00,400
Speaker 1: to just show someone. I can't do it, but it's

1597
01:28:00,439 --> 01:28:03,599
Speaker 1: gonna be amazing. It's really, really, really a wonderful experience.

1598
01:28:03,640 --> 01:28:07,080
Speaker 1: I'm blessed. One of the great things on Barack. You

1599
01:28:07,160 --> 01:28:10,880
Speaker 1: couldn't promote, but you could promote. Dolomite is my name?

1600
01:28:11,680 --> 01:28:14,240
Speaker 1: I'm watching Jimmy Kimmel because they were saw a promotion,

1601
01:28:14,320 --> 01:28:16,840
Speaker 1: said Lunelle, pre promoted that you was going to be

1602
01:28:16,920 --> 01:28:19,639
Speaker 1: on the show. And when you came, when he introduced

1603
01:28:19,720 --> 01:28:23,960
Speaker 1: you and you came out that beautiful dress, what ran

1604
01:28:24,000 --> 01:28:26,680
Speaker 1: through your mind? Because you know, I've been I have

1605
01:28:26,800 --> 01:28:29,080
Speaker 1: come out on stage, I've been introduced like that, never

1606
01:28:29,160 --> 01:28:31,839
Speaker 1: at the level that you was introduced. Because you introduced

1607
01:28:31,880 --> 01:28:35,960
Speaker 1: as a star on a major late night television successful show,

1608
01:28:38,040 --> 01:28:41,720
Speaker 1: talk walkers through those steps emotionally. Um uh. And when

1609
01:28:41,800 --> 01:28:43,880
Speaker 1: you sat down and did the interview in the crowd

1610
01:28:43,960 --> 01:28:49,960
Speaker 1: reacting to your lunell, well, you know I had also

1611
01:28:51,080 --> 01:28:54,400
Speaker 1: prior to the interview on Kimmel, I had been lucky

1612
01:28:54,520 --> 01:28:58,240
Speaker 1: enough to obtain a residency at his comedy club in

1613
01:28:58,320 --> 01:29:01,000
Speaker 1: Las Vegas. Absolutely some of the forgot a chance to

1614
01:29:01,120 --> 01:29:05,519
Speaker 1: see me before the shutdown. Um I was at Jimmy

1615
01:29:05,600 --> 01:29:09,960
Speaker 1: Kimmel's comedy club in Las Vegas every Sunday night at

1616
01:29:10,000 --> 01:29:13,920
Speaker 1: ten o'clock. So we had been talking to them about

1617
01:29:14,040 --> 01:29:17,439
Speaker 1: the fact that Yo, I'm Jimmy's resident, Like I'm here

1618
01:29:17,560 --> 01:29:19,640
Speaker 1: every week. You know, most people would come in, they

1619
01:29:19,720 --> 01:29:22,679
Speaker 1: may do a weekend, they may go somewhere or something

1620
01:29:22,800 --> 01:29:26,120
Speaker 1: like that. But they I was there every Sunday, every

1621
01:29:26,160 --> 01:29:29,560
Speaker 1: Sunday at ten pm. So when it came through to

1622
01:29:29,680 --> 01:29:31,800
Speaker 1: my agent said yeah, we're gonna be able. You know

1623
01:29:31,880 --> 01:29:34,479
Speaker 1: you're gonna be able to do the show, I was

1624
01:29:34,840 --> 01:29:39,240
Speaker 1: elated because I've always pictured myself kitting at the desk.

1625
01:29:39,360 --> 01:29:41,240
Speaker 1: You know, if it wasn't Carson, and I thought it'd

1626
01:29:41,280 --> 01:29:43,640
Speaker 1: be the Winnow it wasn't Leno's, and I thought it'd

1627
01:29:43,640 --> 01:29:45,439
Speaker 1: be a letterman. If it wasn't a letterman, I didn't

1628
01:29:45,439 --> 01:29:48,080
Speaker 1: know what was gonna happen. But I did get a

1629
01:29:48,240 --> 01:29:52,360
Speaker 1: chance to walk out there from behind the curtain in

1630
01:29:52,439 --> 01:29:55,479
Speaker 1: the outfit that I was very proud to wear by

1631
01:29:55,520 --> 01:29:59,400
Speaker 1: a black designer named Angela dene I was able to,

1632
01:30:00,280 --> 01:30:03,040
Speaker 1: you know, be my witty self. I didn't have to

1633
01:30:03,160 --> 01:30:07,040
Speaker 1: do stand up. I just was able to sit there

1634
01:30:07,200 --> 01:30:11,920
Speaker 1: and you know, be me, and um, it was great.

1635
01:30:12,120 --> 01:30:15,559
Speaker 1: You know, Jimmy's very kind, He's a very kind person,

1636
01:30:16,320 --> 01:30:19,760
Speaker 1: and um, he was very into me. He makes you

1637
01:30:19,840 --> 01:30:23,240
Speaker 1: feel very important, you know. I was low key flirting

1638
01:30:23,360 --> 01:30:26,599
Speaker 1: like I always do. Very cute at it, very cute

1639
01:30:26,640 --> 01:30:31,639
Speaker 1: at it, showing those nails, showing those nails, yeah, all

1640
01:30:31,720 --> 01:30:37,120
Speaker 1: that stuff. So it was it was a wonderful, wonderful experience,

1641
01:30:37,200 --> 01:30:39,920
Speaker 1: and I'm glad that I have the tape. You know

1642
01:30:40,080 --> 01:30:44,000
Speaker 1: that my daughter was there with me. I had, uh

1643
01:30:44,400 --> 01:30:48,960
Speaker 1: my crew that day was my agent, my manager, my stylast,

1644
01:30:49,160 --> 01:30:55,559
Speaker 1: my daughter, and um Glodine White, the late very White White,

1645
01:30:55,640 --> 01:30:58,679
Speaker 1: she's not very dear friend. So she was backstage where

1646
01:30:58,760 --> 01:31:03,320
Speaker 1: her sister Lindau and um, yeah, and a couple of

1647
01:31:03,400 --> 01:31:06,000
Speaker 1: more people that I loved. And so I did have

1648
01:31:06,120 --> 01:31:08,560
Speaker 1: a crew, and it was it was great. You know,

1649
01:31:08,680 --> 01:31:12,000
Speaker 1: we celebrated after we went to Yamaha Olds back when

1650
01:31:12,040 --> 01:31:18,200
Speaker 1: you could find dying and stuff like that, and and uh,

1651
01:31:18,439 --> 01:31:20,960
Speaker 1: it was you know, it was a dream come true,

1652
01:31:21,520 --> 01:31:25,280
Speaker 1: you know, and that's why that's why I was excited

1653
01:31:25,280 --> 01:31:27,280
Speaker 1: about it. You know, when you when you came out there,

1654
01:31:27,479 --> 01:31:30,000
Speaker 1: so people standing for you, assuming there might have been

1655
01:31:30,040 --> 01:31:33,559
Speaker 1: some of your crew members said good your daddy, your daddy,

1656
01:31:33,680 --> 01:31:36,760
Speaker 1: your dad, and then you're sitting down like a star

1657
01:31:36,960 --> 01:31:39,479
Speaker 1: like you you belong there. You belong there. And I

1658
01:31:39,560 --> 01:31:41,720
Speaker 1: noticed and I'm not this is not the end of

1659
01:31:41,760 --> 01:31:44,679
Speaker 1: your journey. It's the start of an even bigger journey.

1660
01:31:45,439 --> 01:31:47,360
Speaker 1: How are you dealing with this pandemic. Now, my friend,

1661
01:31:47,479 --> 01:31:51,920
Speaker 1: before we get out of here, I was made for quarantine.

1662
01:31:52,040 --> 01:31:56,200
Speaker 1: Trust me, I haven't. I haven't had three, you know,

1663
01:31:56,360 --> 01:31:59,840
Speaker 1: almost three months to get anywhere. And the thirty years

1664
01:32:00,000 --> 01:32:02,960
Speaker 1: that I've been doing stand up and I haven't even

1665
01:32:03,040 --> 01:32:05,240
Speaker 1: had this much time to lay around at home with

1666
01:32:05,360 --> 01:32:09,559
Speaker 1: my husband because I was always working. From the time

1667
01:32:09,680 --> 01:32:13,519
Speaker 1: that you know, I started doing the stand up in

1668
01:32:13,680 --> 01:32:16,360
Speaker 1: Long Beach and they went back to Oakland, where I'm from,

1669
01:32:16,520 --> 01:32:19,280
Speaker 1: and was working on the Soul be Television Network, and

1670
01:32:19,360 --> 01:32:21,720
Speaker 1: then came back out to l A and get more

1671
01:32:21,760 --> 01:32:23,840
Speaker 1: to stand up, and went on tour with Captain, started

1672
01:32:23,880 --> 01:32:26,120
Speaker 1: my own tour and got the rid of that. We

1673
01:32:26,200 --> 01:32:29,679
Speaker 1: don't get ninety days, ninety days to lay at home.

1674
01:32:30,160 --> 01:32:32,439
Speaker 1: It's not like I'm laying on the beaches of Tahiti.

1675
01:32:32,960 --> 01:32:36,599
Speaker 1: You know, I'm at home. And uh, you know, we've

1676
01:32:36,600 --> 01:32:40,679
Speaker 1: gotten real creative. I started my YouTube show. For anybody

1677
01:32:40,760 --> 01:32:43,600
Speaker 1: out there who's interested in YouTube or has my Instagram

1678
01:32:43,680 --> 01:32:45,920
Speaker 1: me to click the link in the bio. It's called

1679
01:32:46,000 --> 01:32:49,560
Speaker 1: heylu now h E y l U E N E

1680
01:32:49,960 --> 01:32:54,000
Speaker 1: l L. It comes on live every Wednesday from three

1681
01:32:54,080 --> 01:32:57,600
Speaker 1: to four Pacific time. And um, so you know, you

1682
01:32:57,680 --> 01:33:00,080
Speaker 1: get creative when you're at the house and I'm and

1683
01:33:00,160 --> 01:33:03,240
Speaker 1: cooking and doing the mommy thing and doing the white thing.

1684
01:33:03,680 --> 01:33:06,479
Speaker 1: I taught my husband the other day, I said, I

1685
01:33:06,600 --> 01:33:08,559
Speaker 1: will be going back to one, so enjoy it us.

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Speaker 1: Why you can't do them movie style? While I love it.

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Speaker 1: She is the original bad girl of comedy. You've seen it, Dolderney,

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Speaker 1: to you, little Nell and your resume. Now, when when

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Speaker 1: when coming to America? Come back out in the fall.

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Speaker 1: Can I get you back on the show? Oh you

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Speaker 1: will want to, Yes, absolutely, And then I'll tell you

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Speaker 1: some of the back story about some stulfcause we have

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Speaker 1: some real, real, real um memorable memorable times. I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: bring you back. Thank you for doing my show, and

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Speaker 1: I know that I consider your blessing. I consider you

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Speaker 1: a gift and I and a hard worker, and that's

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Speaker 1: why I wanted to bring you on my show. Money

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Speaker 1: the thing that you call your dream. Thank you, thank

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Speaker 1: thank you, h thanks that. I hope, I hope, but

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Speaker 1: of Health and Human Services, Administration for Children and Families,

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Speaker 1: and the ad Council. Our friend, my next guest. He's

1735
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Speaker 1: on the phone. Kicked off his career portraying n y

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Speaker 1: p D Blue Detective Baldwin Jones on the ABC police

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Speaker 1: drama n y p D Blue from two thousands and

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Speaker 1: two thousand five. His other television credits include Raven Wood, Reckless,

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Speaker 1: Common Law, Let's Stay Together, Raising the Bar, c I

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Speaker 1: S Miami and The Cleaner, and films like No Good Deed,

1741
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Speaker 1: mcdilla's Family Reunion. Now I'm a fanatic. Just let everybody

1742
01:36:14,479 --> 01:36:17,920
Speaker 1: know about Marvel Cinema Universe, so lately I've been able

1743
01:36:17,920 --> 01:36:20,719
Speaker 1: to see him play the role of Agent Alfonso Matt

1744
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Speaker 1: McKenzie on ABC's Marvel's Agents of Shields. Please welcome to

1745
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Speaker 1: money making Conversations, my man, Henry Simmons. Hey, thank you,

1746
01:36:30,439 --> 01:36:34,280
Speaker 1: Thank you, Henry. First of all, you know I saw

1747
01:36:34,360 --> 01:36:36,080
Speaker 1: the premier so and I know the series. So I

1748
01:36:36,080 --> 01:36:37,600
Speaker 1: saw the premier, so we can talk about that. We

1749
01:36:37,640 --> 01:36:39,360
Speaker 1: want to talk about that, but I want to just

1750
01:36:39,400 --> 01:36:41,720
Speaker 1: talk about your career a little bit here. First of all,

1751
01:36:42,240 --> 01:36:45,360
Speaker 1: how much time do you do you stay keep standing

1752
01:36:45,360 --> 01:36:47,160
Speaker 1: in shape? Because you're in shape last now, I saw

1753
01:36:47,200 --> 01:36:49,840
Speaker 1: you on the premiere and you're looking good, my man.

1754
01:36:49,960 --> 01:36:52,120
Speaker 1: The arms they let you show the arms off some

1755
01:36:52,240 --> 01:36:55,080
Speaker 1: the guns. So how much time you in the gym? Man?

1756
01:36:55,080 --> 01:36:57,320
Speaker 1: I just wanted because I know I don't look like that.

1757
01:36:57,600 --> 01:37:00,640
Speaker 1: I don't. I can't look Someone was next, and I

1758
01:37:00,680 --> 01:37:01,960
Speaker 1: know you're working on that. I know some of this

1759
01:37:02,080 --> 01:37:04,240
Speaker 1: God gave it to you, but you're keeping it in shape.

1760
01:37:04,280 --> 01:37:07,040
Speaker 1: How's that working out for you? Let me tell you something.

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01:37:07,080 --> 01:37:08,960
Speaker 1: It's it's it's hard work. I'm not gonna lie to you,

1762
01:37:09,120 --> 01:37:12,360
Speaker 1: you know, especially for this role right here. I uh,

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01:37:12,960 --> 01:37:14,960
Speaker 1: I worked out more I was working on six days

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01:37:14,960 --> 01:37:18,240
Speaker 1: a week, and I didn't take any shortcuts like you know,

1765
01:37:18,400 --> 01:37:22,439
Speaker 1: some of these actors out here doing uh these synthetic drugs.

1766
01:37:24,080 --> 01:37:27,840
Speaker 1: Don't do that stuff. It's all hard work, um, But

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01:37:27,960 --> 01:37:30,880
Speaker 1: I tell you it's hard because you get up at

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01:37:31,200 --> 01:37:33,760
Speaker 1: you know, five o'clock in the morning, you start working

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01:37:33,880 --> 01:37:35,840
Speaker 1: six o'clock, you get done at eight, you get home

1770
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Speaker 1: at nine, nine thirty, you spend time with your family.

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01:37:40,240 --> 01:37:42,679
Speaker 1: It's about thirty eleven o'clock. That's when I would start

1772
01:37:42,720 --> 01:37:46,599
Speaker 1: working out. Start working out eleven o'clock at night, get

1773
01:37:47,360 --> 01:37:51,320
Speaker 1: about twelve twelve thirty, study for the next day, go

1774
01:37:51,479 --> 01:37:53,320
Speaker 1: to sleep, and get ready to do it all again.

1775
01:37:53,640 --> 01:37:56,040
Speaker 1: Because that's your that's your career, that's your brand, that's

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01:37:56,080 --> 01:37:58,719
Speaker 1: your look. So you can't show up for an audition

1777
01:37:58,800 --> 01:38:04,200
Speaker 1: with a pot ballet. That's that's not no, not right now.

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01:38:04,280 --> 01:38:06,920
Speaker 1: Even if I wasn't uh an actor, I would never

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01:38:07,000 --> 01:38:08,800
Speaker 1: look that happen. I couldn't do it. I could do it,

1780
01:38:08,920 --> 01:38:11,040
Speaker 1: could do it because that's part of your brand. And

1781
01:38:11,080 --> 01:38:13,880
Speaker 1: I always tell people that you know your brand, your model.

1782
01:38:13,960 --> 01:38:16,360
Speaker 1: People have a certain expectation. They see a headshot, that

1783
01:38:16,400 --> 01:38:18,439
Speaker 1: see your body of work. When you come in for

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Speaker 1: an audition or they give your role because sometimes you're

1785
01:38:21,120 --> 01:38:23,720
Speaker 1: blessed like that because they've seen your body of work

1786
01:38:24,000 --> 01:38:26,040
Speaker 1: when you walk through that door. That's what they're expecting,

1787
01:38:26,160 --> 01:38:29,720
Speaker 1: that that commitment, that same effort, that same consistency. How

1788
01:38:29,880 --> 01:38:32,840
Speaker 1: has it been when you you your estimation, we're looking

1789
01:38:32,880 --> 01:38:35,160
Speaker 1: at your career and you have a great body of work.

1790
01:38:35,600 --> 01:38:38,800
Speaker 1: What has been the difficulties of maintaining that consistency of

1791
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Speaker 1: getting the opportunity to stay in front of the person

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Speaker 1: who does the decision makers of Hollywood, the casting directors. Well,

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Speaker 1: you know, here's the thing. Uh, I'm old school. I'm

1794
01:38:50,200 --> 01:38:52,120
Speaker 1: gonna tell you right now. I'm old school. And the

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01:38:52,160 --> 01:38:56,960
Speaker 1: way I approached my uh career, now that that's good

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Speaker 1: and bad. Right. A lot of funds a lot of

1797
01:38:59,240 --> 01:39:05,960
Speaker 1: people nowadays social media day involved their personalized the families media.

1798
01:39:06,840 --> 01:39:09,559
Speaker 1: They're showing so many, so many aspects of their lives

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Speaker 1: and that gives them so many followers, and that does

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Speaker 1: help them, uh to some degree in terms of getting jobs. Now,

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01:39:18,680 --> 01:39:21,000
Speaker 1: those aren't THEO jobs I want. If if someone if

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01:39:21,040 --> 01:39:23,960
Speaker 1: the casting director, if a directors looking at my social

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01:39:24,120 --> 01:39:28,439
Speaker 1: media account and seeing, oh he's popular, therefore, I'm going

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01:39:28,479 --> 01:39:30,000
Speaker 1: to give him a job that's not the job. I

1805
01:39:30,479 --> 01:39:34,639
Speaker 1: want a job that is based on artistry. And so therefore,

1806
01:39:34,720 --> 01:39:37,360
Speaker 1: and I'm a person I believe in privacy. I believe

1807
01:39:37,400 --> 01:39:41,280
Speaker 1: in the old school way of having not not showing,

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01:39:41,760 --> 01:39:45,040
Speaker 1: Like if you go to my um uh Instagram account,

1809
01:39:45,240 --> 01:39:48,400
Speaker 1: you won't see pictures of my kids and pictures house

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01:39:48,560 --> 01:39:52,080
Speaker 1: and you know all stuff and and uh. And also

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01:39:52,520 --> 01:39:54,800
Speaker 1: I try to do things with integrity. Thank you. And

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01:39:55,040 --> 01:39:58,080
Speaker 1: that's what I started. I said, are two things that

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Speaker 1: I want in this business. I want longevity obviously, because

1814
01:40:02,640 --> 01:40:09,160
Speaker 1: longevity is equivalent to success. Uh. It's longevity and integrity.

1815
01:40:09,960 --> 01:40:13,080
Speaker 1: I don't want to start doing things just to be

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01:40:13,240 --> 01:40:17,040
Speaker 1: doing them, and when I look back on it, I

1817
01:40:17,200 --> 01:40:19,479
Speaker 1: question why I did it or humiliated by it. I

1818
01:40:19,520 --> 01:40:22,799
Speaker 1: don't want that. But to tell you, when you operate

1819
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Speaker 1: with integrity, that means your journey, your journey is going

1820
01:40:27,600 --> 01:40:29,479
Speaker 1: to have a little bit more ups and downs are

1821
01:40:29,479 --> 01:40:32,479
Speaker 1: gonna be a little bit longer on the road. You're

1822
01:40:32,520 --> 01:40:36,000
Speaker 1: not taking everything that's you're throwing at you right right,

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01:40:36,280 --> 01:40:38,200
Speaker 1: you know, and I believe that, you know, I've looked

1824
01:40:38,200 --> 01:40:40,640
Speaker 1: at this. Relationships are key to and that then then

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01:40:40,720 --> 01:40:43,599
Speaker 1: the integrity comes with that. If you have integrity, you're

1826
01:40:43,600 --> 01:40:46,400
Speaker 1: gonna have relationships. And if you have relationships, when people

1827
01:40:46,520 --> 01:40:48,559
Speaker 1: need you, they know your body of work. And that's

1828
01:40:48,560 --> 01:40:50,920
Speaker 1: how you're saying, you said rashand look, you can have

1829
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Speaker 1: the followers, but if you don't have the body of

1830
01:40:52,680 --> 01:40:54,920
Speaker 1: the work, that can bite you in the butt, because

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01:40:55,040 --> 01:40:57,120
Speaker 1: when you get on that set, you know, and you

1832
01:40:57,320 --> 01:41:00,920
Speaker 1: and sometimes you're challenged by talent, terrific talent, you know,

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01:41:00,960 --> 01:41:03,439
Speaker 1: because and sometimes you're not the biggest star on the set.

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01:41:03,520 --> 01:41:07,000
Speaker 1: Sometimes you're in a great ensemble and you have to assemble,

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01:41:07,120 --> 01:41:08,760
Speaker 1: which is kind of like what you have to deal

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01:41:08,840 --> 01:41:11,879
Speaker 1: with with Marvel's Ages of Shells. That's a great ensemble

1837
01:41:11,960 --> 01:41:13,640
Speaker 1: that you have to deal with and you have to

1838
01:41:13,760 --> 01:41:18,120
Speaker 1: mess your talent inside of them, and everything feels relatable, organic,

1839
01:41:18,479 --> 01:41:20,719
Speaker 1: And that's why, you know, just watching on that series,

1840
01:41:20,760 --> 01:41:23,840
Speaker 1: it's been a blessing to me because you're a black superhero.

1841
01:41:25,240 --> 01:41:27,760
Speaker 1: And I'm gonna just telling you know, and people need

1842
01:41:27,800 --> 01:41:30,479
Speaker 1: to understand that why Black Panther was so popular, because

1843
01:41:30,960 --> 01:41:33,760
Speaker 1: you know, we all need to feel that we in

1844
01:41:33,800 --> 01:41:36,200
Speaker 1: that in that fantasy world that we are part of

1845
01:41:36,280 --> 01:41:39,320
Speaker 1: that part of the equation. And I'm gonna tell you so, man.

1846
01:41:39,680 --> 01:41:41,439
Speaker 1: You know, I know you were on the second season,

1847
01:41:41,680 --> 01:41:44,400
Speaker 1: you were like a recurring character. And when they made you,

1848
01:41:44,439 --> 01:41:47,479
Speaker 1: i think the third season, when they made you a regular,

1849
01:41:48,080 --> 01:41:52,320
Speaker 1: I smiled, Henry, I smiled, brother, thank you, thank you

1850
01:41:52,479 --> 01:41:55,760
Speaker 1: so much, thank you. You know you know I look,

1851
01:41:55,840 --> 01:41:58,840
Speaker 1: I also I do how I think there's a responsibility

1852
01:41:58,880 --> 01:42:01,920
Speaker 1: to my artistry, but I do also recognize as a

1853
01:42:01,960 --> 01:42:07,080
Speaker 1: responsibility on being a black man in this business because

1854
01:42:07,160 --> 01:42:10,400
Speaker 1: I know, I know, at least I'm trying to be

1855
01:42:10,520 --> 01:42:14,080
Speaker 1: cognizant of what I represent. And I mean not only

1856
01:42:14,160 --> 01:42:17,120
Speaker 1: to to other uh people of color, but also my

1857
01:42:17,520 --> 01:42:20,759
Speaker 1: children and and also that's why I want to operate

1858
01:42:20,800 --> 01:42:25,320
Speaker 1: and integrity. And you know, uh when when I hear

1859
01:42:25,400 --> 01:42:28,479
Speaker 1: people say things like that ptasely about Marvels Agents of Shield,

1860
01:42:28,520 --> 01:42:32,760
Speaker 1: when they say, wow, they see this guy and he's inspiring,

1861
01:42:33,479 --> 01:42:36,719
Speaker 1: you know, because he's a black man. And I'm gonna

1862
01:42:36,720 --> 01:42:42,360
Speaker 1: tell you like this, I was so surprised, number one,

1863
01:42:43,720 --> 01:42:46,120
Speaker 1: that what was surprised the fact that they made me

1864
01:42:46,280 --> 01:42:52,080
Speaker 1: director right right right? You don't see particularly in that position.

1865
01:42:52,560 --> 01:42:59,439
Speaker 1: I I I wouldn't think that, uh, that they would

1866
01:42:59,600 --> 01:43:04,920
Speaker 1: make a black man, the leader of that squad. I

1867
01:43:05,000 --> 01:43:08,880
Speaker 1: thought it would be someone else, but volumes into the

1868
01:43:08,960 --> 01:43:12,360
Speaker 1: writers and producers that I work with, right right, you know,

1869
01:43:12,439 --> 01:43:15,000
Speaker 1: and that and that that's that's important because you know,

1870
01:43:15,160 --> 01:43:17,320
Speaker 1: first of all, you know, you're not just an ardiner.

1871
01:43:17,400 --> 01:43:19,760
Speaker 1: You're You're a big black man. And I say that

1872
01:43:19,800 --> 01:43:21,439
Speaker 1: in a good way. When when you're walk in the room,

1873
01:43:21,560 --> 01:43:23,439
Speaker 1: you feel a room, you know, they go, wow, that

1874
01:43:23,520 --> 01:43:26,040
Speaker 1: God looks good, he's in shape. Who is that guy

1875
01:43:26,120 --> 01:43:28,439
Speaker 1: you you're here? Who is that guy type of person

1876
01:43:28,520 --> 01:43:32,000
Speaker 1: who walks in the room? And that that's really good.

1877
01:43:32,080 --> 01:43:34,760
Speaker 1: But that's a responsibility that comes with that, and so

1878
01:43:35,280 --> 01:43:36,800
Speaker 1: and so when I look at it with this now,

1879
01:43:36,840 --> 01:43:38,240
Speaker 1: when I say that, when they when they made you

1880
01:43:38,320 --> 01:43:41,439
Speaker 1: that recurring character, then they made you the regular and

1881
01:43:41,560 --> 01:43:45,840
Speaker 1: made it legitimately a level of responsibility that I can

1882
01:43:46,040 --> 01:43:49,400
Speaker 1: be engaged into this show because I see a part

1883
01:43:49,479 --> 01:43:51,400
Speaker 1: of me, My kids see a part of me, My

1884
01:43:51,560 --> 01:43:54,040
Speaker 1: friends see a part of me in that show that

1885
01:43:54,160 --> 01:43:56,880
Speaker 1: looks like me. Because guess what, in the fantasy world,

1886
01:43:57,280 --> 01:44:00,240
Speaker 1: we are heroes too, and you are a hero. And

1887
01:44:00,320 --> 01:44:04,240
Speaker 1: that's mentoring other people because you know, I grew up watching,

1888
01:44:04,320 --> 01:44:08,240
Speaker 1: you know, buying the whole combined. Captain America and then

1889
01:44:08,320 --> 01:44:11,400
Speaker 1: were my fantasies now. And that's a good fantasy to have,

1890
01:44:11,600 --> 01:44:14,400
Speaker 1: because that's a wish, that's a dream. And to see

1891
01:44:14,479 --> 01:44:18,120
Speaker 1: a black man who looks, who looks statueous, who looks

1892
01:44:18,160 --> 01:44:21,760
Speaker 1: in shape, who looks good, that's a blessing, man, And

1893
01:44:21,840 --> 01:44:25,120
Speaker 1: that's a blessing for it not only for people of color,

1894
01:44:25,439 --> 01:44:27,720
Speaker 1: but for white America to see you as well as

1895
01:44:27,760 --> 01:44:32,240
Speaker 1: a leader, as a guy of thor that's important. Man.

1896
01:44:32,320 --> 01:44:33,960
Speaker 1: I just wanted to live. That's why I was excited

1897
01:44:34,000 --> 01:44:36,439
Speaker 1: about interviewing you today here because you know, a lot

1898
01:44:36,479 --> 01:44:38,040
Speaker 1: of times, you know, as an actor, we get in

1899
01:44:38,080 --> 01:44:40,280
Speaker 1: these vacuums and we just do the best job we

1900
01:44:40,360 --> 01:44:43,559
Speaker 1: can do. But when you step out into my world,

1901
01:44:43,720 --> 01:44:46,639
Speaker 1: you know, the the you know, the the Golden Corral world,

1902
01:44:46,960 --> 01:44:49,799
Speaker 1: the Kroger world of regular people just shopping the rafts,

1903
01:44:49,960 --> 01:44:52,640
Speaker 1: you know, that's that's the people that that look at

1904
01:44:52,680 --> 01:44:54,800
Speaker 1: you and go, you go, why is he looking at me? Like? Wait?

1905
01:44:54,840 --> 01:44:59,719
Speaker 1: Because guess what you are doing? You mean something to us, Henry,

1906
01:45:00,960 --> 01:45:02,280
Speaker 1: I want to go break up here. I don't know

1907
01:45:02,280 --> 01:45:04,800
Speaker 1: what you're talking about. Yeah, I'm I'm a regular guy, though,

1908
01:45:04,800 --> 01:45:08,200
Speaker 1: I'm a regular guy, but I appreciate that. Oh yeah,

1909
01:45:08,280 --> 01:45:11,559
Speaker 1: you know, I Faso Mac. Now, yeah, I'm taking something Faso.

1910
01:45:11,920 --> 01:45:14,320
Speaker 1: You know your character on the Sholf Now you know,

1911
01:45:14,720 --> 01:45:17,200
Speaker 1: because I I'm not shaped like you, but I got

1912
01:45:17,280 --> 01:45:19,120
Speaker 1: a ball head and a beer to you know, kind

1913
01:45:19,160 --> 01:45:22,040
Speaker 1: of keep it close up. So I would just let

1914
01:45:22,120 --> 01:45:24,280
Speaker 1: you know. I I fade in that lane that you

1915
01:45:24,479 --> 01:45:29,400
Speaker 1: live in. Okay, now, okay, Now, now you're the director,

1916
01:45:29,479 --> 01:45:32,080
Speaker 1: which like Nick Fury and the Marvel movies, he was

1917
01:45:32,160 --> 01:45:34,080
Speaker 1: the director, So you're kind of like the Nick Fury

1918
01:45:34,280 --> 01:45:38,320
Speaker 1: character on the television series Marvel's Agents of Shields. Because

1919
01:45:38,400 --> 01:45:41,080
Speaker 1: my man Colson he's called he's like a robot this

1920
01:45:41,160 --> 01:45:43,280
Speaker 1: season or something. He probably he was brought back from

1921
01:45:43,320 --> 01:45:45,040
Speaker 1: the dead. Can you can you feel us in on

1922
01:45:45,120 --> 01:45:47,800
Speaker 1: the details because I saw the premier and uh and

1923
01:45:47,880 --> 01:45:52,560
Speaker 1: we'll talking about it. Yeah. He the thing is he

1924
01:45:53,000 --> 01:45:57,080
Speaker 1: uh he died right and he was and then there

1925
01:45:57,160 --> 01:46:00,760
Speaker 1: was another character at last season, season six at quite

1926
01:46:00,760 --> 01:46:02,920
Speaker 1: a bit like him, and I guess he was infused

1927
01:46:03,000 --> 01:46:08,600
Speaker 1: with in another dimension he were a person. Uh, but

1928
01:46:08,800 --> 01:46:13,879
Speaker 1: when he died. Um, there's these androids called chronic comms

1929
01:46:14,560 --> 01:46:19,880
Speaker 1: and uh, Simmons the Simmons character was able to infuse

1930
01:46:20,040 --> 01:46:25,719
Speaker 1: all of Colson's stocks and feelings and memories everything into

1931
01:46:26,120 --> 01:46:29,720
Speaker 1: this chronic Colm. So she created Coulson in a way,

1932
01:46:29,800 --> 01:46:34,600
Speaker 1: although he is an android, he is like Colson in

1933
01:46:35,040 --> 01:46:38,960
Speaker 1: in the way he thinks and moves and fields. So

1934
01:46:39,200 --> 01:46:41,600
Speaker 1: that's the way they were. The writers were brilliant and

1935
01:46:41,680 --> 01:46:46,160
Speaker 1: being able to bring him back that way. Um uh

1936
01:46:46,640 --> 01:46:50,400
Speaker 1: so now he's back, and he his position is different

1937
01:46:50,439 --> 01:46:54,640
Speaker 1: because he's an agent. And also he's different because he

1938
01:46:54,760 --> 01:46:58,000
Speaker 1: has this, uh, he has strength. He's kind of as

1939
01:46:58,000 --> 01:47:00,960
Speaker 1: a superhero now right right, like like Quake. Quake really

1940
01:47:01,040 --> 01:47:03,920
Speaker 1: has the big power out there because she'd throw people.

1941
01:47:04,320 --> 01:47:05,680
Speaker 1: You know, you come close to her, you know, she

1942
01:47:05,720 --> 01:47:09,040
Speaker 1: can just blast your way. But but but but now

1943
01:47:09,160 --> 01:47:11,680
Speaker 1: he has this an amazing strength. He can move real

1944
01:47:11,840 --> 01:47:15,439
Speaker 1: quick and so so it's really ironic because you know,

1945
01:47:15,960 --> 01:47:18,559
Speaker 1: you know, he he was first introducing too the Marvel

1946
01:47:18,640 --> 01:47:21,080
Speaker 1: series in the movie Thor and of course we all

1947
01:47:21,240 --> 01:47:23,760
Speaker 1: saw him die in the Avenger movies and then he

1948
01:47:23,920 --> 01:47:26,800
Speaker 1: somehow brought back to life for the television series, which

1949
01:47:26,880 --> 01:47:29,360
Speaker 1: was a great gift for us. So him dying in

1950
01:47:29,479 --> 01:47:32,080
Speaker 1: front of us, we're kind of used to him dying

1951
01:47:32,120 --> 01:47:36,479
Speaker 1: and coming back, Harry, that wasn't a stressed you know what.

1952
01:47:36,800 --> 01:47:39,479
Speaker 1: It wasn't a stretched though. Oh he's back. Okay, come okay,

1953
01:47:39,520 --> 01:47:42,040
Speaker 1: come okay, come okay, okay. Well let's let's get this

1954
01:47:42,120 --> 01:47:45,320
Speaker 1: little brain transfer straight, the situation straight. So we're gonna

1955
01:47:45,400 --> 01:47:48,360
Speaker 1: get on with the show because Carson cannot die. He's

1956
01:47:48,400 --> 01:47:55,800
Speaker 1: the vampire of this way. If he could keep coming back,

1957
01:47:56,040 --> 01:48:01,240
Speaker 1: they could resurrect Captain America. Uh but all right, man,

1958
01:48:01,320 --> 01:48:05,280
Speaker 1: everybody can get young again, okay if Coles keep coming back,

1959
01:48:05,360 --> 01:48:08,519
Speaker 1: because yeah, never had the superpower. So tell us about

1960
01:48:08,560 --> 01:48:11,360
Speaker 1: your character. You know, we talked about you being the director,

1961
01:48:11,400 --> 01:48:14,200
Speaker 1: but tell about tell us about the hold of you know,

1962
01:48:14,400 --> 01:48:17,600
Speaker 1: because your characters has had certain levels of evolution in

1963
01:48:17,720 --> 01:48:20,920
Speaker 1: this series and different roles and different leaps and different

1964
01:48:20,960 --> 01:48:24,320
Speaker 1: transitions different models. Talk about it when he was introduced

1965
01:48:24,360 --> 01:48:28,519
Speaker 1: into the show, and bring us forward. Okay, sure, Well,

1966
01:48:29,000 --> 01:48:33,280
Speaker 1: initially I went on just a simple audition and uh,

1967
01:48:34,400 --> 01:48:36,200
Speaker 1: you know, about two weeks later they asked me to

1968
01:48:36,800 --> 01:48:40,559
Speaker 1: come aboard and I'm sure. But the problem was, at

1969
01:48:40,640 --> 01:48:44,080
Speaker 1: the time the first season was not on Netflix. I

1970
01:48:44,160 --> 01:48:48,040
Speaker 1: didn't have I didn't I didn't know what I was

1971
01:48:48,080 --> 01:48:50,240
Speaker 1: stepping into I mean I had an idea because I

1972
01:48:50,280 --> 01:48:51,640
Speaker 1: had seen a little bit of the show, but I

1973
01:48:51,720 --> 01:48:55,519
Speaker 1: didn't I didn't know my first day there, it was

1974
01:48:55,600 --> 01:48:57,880
Speaker 1: just it was everything I thought it would be and more.

1975
01:48:58,160 --> 01:49:02,320
Speaker 1: I mean there were if the technology you walk on set,

1976
01:49:02,400 --> 01:49:04,559
Speaker 1: there's there's still were like twenty people at the time.

1977
01:49:05,320 --> 01:49:08,040
Speaker 1: Uh all this this weapon read the names of all

1978
01:49:08,120 --> 01:49:12,760
Speaker 1: these guns, that the aircraft and and uh all the

1979
01:49:13,240 --> 01:49:16,840
Speaker 1: technical language and the levels this all that, and it

1980
01:49:17,000 --> 01:49:18,720
Speaker 1: was a whole new world. I knew right away that

1981
01:49:18,840 --> 01:49:22,080
Speaker 1: this is what I want to be a part of. Yeah,

1982
01:49:22,160 --> 01:49:25,360
Speaker 1: I'm telling you. Uh, here's the thing. My first season,

1983
01:49:25,720 --> 01:49:28,640
Speaker 1: I was recurring, and I was advised not to do

1984
01:49:28,800 --> 01:49:32,559
Speaker 1: it because people people were like, you know, don't don't

1985
01:49:32,640 --> 01:49:34,880
Speaker 1: do that. You know, don't don't recur to the whole

1986
01:49:34,880 --> 01:49:37,120
Speaker 1: season because then they can drop you at the end.

1987
01:49:37,600 --> 01:49:40,160
Speaker 1: But here's my thing. I know, once I get in,

1988
01:49:41,320 --> 01:49:45,240
Speaker 1: I believe in my talent. I know how hard I work,

1989
01:49:45,400 --> 01:49:48,760
Speaker 1: and I bet on me and I bet on God.

1990
01:49:50,360 --> 01:49:54,840
Speaker 1: So yeah, that's that's my number one. Uh So I knew.

1991
01:49:54,880 --> 01:49:56,240
Speaker 1: I said, no, No, I'm not worried about I know

1992
01:49:56,280 --> 01:49:58,160
Speaker 1: I'm gonna recur. I'm gonna recur and I know they're

1993
01:49:58,160 --> 01:50:00,519
Speaker 1: gonna there's no doubt in my mind. And that's what happened,

1994
01:50:00,920 --> 01:50:04,960
Speaker 1: and then they helped me to uh series regular. But

1995
01:50:05,520 --> 01:50:09,599
Speaker 1: the trend the way Mac came about. Initially, I don't

1996
01:50:09,600 --> 01:50:11,960
Speaker 1: know if you remember, he was so reluctant to fight.

1997
01:50:12,040 --> 01:50:14,639
Speaker 1: He didn't want to fight the man of people. Yeah,

1998
01:50:15,520 --> 01:50:17,360
Speaker 1: there was no way in the world he was gonna fight.

1999
01:50:17,880 --> 01:50:20,439
Speaker 1: And he Colston said, look, I need you to get

2000
01:50:20,439 --> 01:50:22,960
Speaker 1: out there. So finally he got out there, and and

2001
01:50:23,120 --> 01:50:26,920
Speaker 1: he was doing everything he could to maintain the fight

2002
01:50:27,160 --> 01:50:29,479
Speaker 1: but not kill anyone and just do what would need

2003
01:50:29,520 --> 01:50:31,120
Speaker 1: to be done. A matter of fact, he tried to

2004
01:50:31,240 --> 01:50:35,200
Speaker 1: leave in the first I'm not cut out for this

2005
01:50:36,360 --> 01:50:41,000
Speaker 1: um But as things progressed, there were times that Colson

2006
01:50:41,120 --> 01:50:42,840
Speaker 1: had to leave. Like I think there was one time

2007
01:50:42,880 --> 01:50:46,080
Speaker 1: when he had the cree blood in him and he

2008
01:50:46,720 --> 01:50:50,560
Speaker 1: needed to explore that. And and the one thing I

2009
01:50:50,680 --> 01:50:54,000
Speaker 1: liked is that right off the bat they had um

2010
01:50:54,560 --> 01:51:00,519
Speaker 1: my character Mac, but in Headsworth Colson, because Colston was

2011
01:51:00,640 --> 01:51:06,759
Speaker 1: using Shields for his own, uh, his own needs instead

2012
01:51:06,800 --> 01:51:09,519
Speaker 1: of using it for the greater good, and Mac was

2013
01:51:09,560 --> 01:51:11,560
Speaker 1: against that. And Mac was right, He's like, look you

2014
01:51:11,760 --> 01:51:14,120
Speaker 1: can't be using it to find out all about this creed.

2015
01:51:14,200 --> 01:51:17,360
Speaker 1: But this is about saving the world. This is about

2016
01:51:17,360 --> 01:51:19,759
Speaker 1: doing it the bigger picture, not just the A picture.

2017
01:51:20,200 --> 01:51:22,439
Speaker 1: And he was I was the one that was vocal

2018
01:51:22,520 --> 01:51:26,960
Speaker 1: against Colson. I like that, but we had mutual respect

2019
01:51:27,000 --> 01:51:28,720
Speaker 1: and you noticed when Colston would me, he would put

2020
01:51:28,760 --> 01:51:33,040
Speaker 1: me in charge. So eventually you know, I was out

2021
01:51:33,080 --> 01:51:34,880
Speaker 1: in the field. They gave me the shotgun acts and

2022
01:51:34,920 --> 01:51:37,200
Speaker 1: the fighting and all that. So when we get down

2023
01:51:37,280 --> 01:51:40,560
Speaker 1: to UH season I think it was five and the

2024
01:51:40,680 --> 01:51:45,679
Speaker 1: five where they decide who's going to be the director

2025
01:51:46,680 --> 01:51:49,599
Speaker 1: after Colson dies, I thought for sure it was gonna

2026
01:51:49,640 --> 01:51:53,880
Speaker 1: be either Quake or there wasn't in the comics, or

2027
01:51:54,160 --> 01:51:58,759
Speaker 1: May uh May. And when they gave me the mantle,

2028
01:51:58,880 --> 01:52:04,439
Speaker 1: I was UH. I was extremely flattered. I'm not gonna lie,

2029
01:52:04,600 --> 01:52:08,599
Speaker 1: extremely flatter because it says two things. It says something

2030
01:52:08,640 --> 01:52:12,840
Speaker 1: about me personally write an actor. They know that I

2031
01:52:12,960 --> 01:52:19,360
Speaker 1: have the authority the UH, the characteristics of leadership and integrity,

2032
01:52:19,520 --> 01:52:24,000
Speaker 1: thank you, and as an actor the strength to carry

2033
01:52:24,320 --> 01:52:28,879
Speaker 1: that mantel and leave. And as a as the character

2034
01:52:29,680 --> 01:52:34,400
Speaker 1: of Mac they see through his progression that he has UH,

2035
01:52:34,800 --> 01:52:38,200
Speaker 1: that I've infused him with those qualities as well. Absolutely,

2036
01:52:38,200 --> 01:52:40,760
Speaker 1: and and they believed in me. And that's that was

2037
01:52:40,840 --> 01:52:42,640
Speaker 1: something that meant. It meant so much for me. I

2038
01:52:43,080 --> 01:52:45,040
Speaker 1: just I'm not a line. Well, I guess what meant

2039
01:52:45,120 --> 01:52:47,880
Speaker 1: something to me too, Okay, mental to a lot of

2040
01:52:48,040 --> 01:52:52,120
Speaker 1: people out there of color, to see you an authority,

2041
01:52:52,200 --> 01:52:55,000
Speaker 1: an authority figure. When Nick Ferry comes on the screen

2042
01:52:55,080 --> 01:52:58,400
Speaker 1: and Ardor and the Avengers around, I feel good, order

2043
01:52:58,439 --> 01:53:01,960
Speaker 1: in Spider manner. I feel good because you go wow,

2044
01:53:02,240 --> 01:53:05,639
Speaker 1: because we all know that could have been a white character. Okay,

2045
01:53:06,479 --> 01:53:08,600
Speaker 1: it could have been a white character. So but they

2046
01:53:08,720 --> 01:53:11,920
Speaker 1: made a decision that based on your talents, color didn't matter.

2047
01:53:12,760 --> 01:53:17,720
Speaker 1: You're the load. Yeah, it didn't didn't it didn't matter.

2048
01:53:18,000 --> 01:53:20,680
Speaker 1: And because now this is why we're gonna go to

2049
01:53:20,760 --> 01:53:24,639
Speaker 1: the series. Now this is the final mission. Okay, watching

2050
01:53:24,680 --> 01:53:28,280
Speaker 1: the premiere episode last night, you guys are transported back

2051
01:53:28,320 --> 01:53:30,840
Speaker 1: to nineteen thirty one. Now, this is why this is

2052
01:53:30,920 --> 01:53:33,560
Speaker 1: important to me. First of all, you were wearing a

2053
01:53:33,600 --> 01:53:35,360
Speaker 1: fly suit. Okay, I just want to let you know

2054
01:53:35,479 --> 01:53:40,160
Speaker 1: that brother wanted that you know, you were you were

2055
01:53:40,200 --> 01:53:42,519
Speaker 1: looking at you were wearing something I definitely were put

2056
01:53:42,560 --> 01:53:44,400
Speaker 1: on because I'm a Taylor made guy him er. You know,

2057
01:53:44,920 --> 01:53:51,240
Speaker 1: I'm just let you know. That's you know you didn't

2058
01:53:51,240 --> 01:53:52,920
Speaker 1: you didn't let me get to the hat. Come on, now,

2059
01:53:53,680 --> 01:53:56,000
Speaker 1: this food Look at this fool got this hack coctor

2060
01:53:56,080 --> 01:54:02,920
Speaker 1: the side a brother one. You're gonna fo here every week.

2061
01:54:03,560 --> 01:54:05,719
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get on your about that hat. I can't

2062
01:54:05,720 --> 01:54:10,360
Speaker 1: believe this food got these brown shoes on. Okay, signed

2063
01:54:10,479 --> 01:54:12,880
Speaker 1: up walking down here with these white folks with his

2064
01:54:13,000 --> 01:54:16,040
Speaker 1: hat cocked to the side and the one you know

2065
01:54:16,360 --> 01:54:22,600
Speaker 1: that can't happen, right, We're gonna do We're gonna do it.

2066
01:54:22,840 --> 01:54:25,960
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Oh my god. Because you know, it

2067
01:54:26,080 --> 01:54:28,760
Speaker 1: was really interesting because of the fact that this is

2068
01:54:28,800 --> 01:54:32,160
Speaker 1: where it gets interesting, because of the fact that it's

2069
01:54:32,960 --> 01:54:37,560
Speaker 1: one and we know the racial situation. It's thirty one,

2070
01:54:37,800 --> 01:54:41,840
Speaker 1: We know how women were treated in ninety one, and

2071
01:54:42,200 --> 01:54:47,960
Speaker 1: here you are a man of authority, the boss of

2072
01:54:48,120 --> 01:54:50,320
Speaker 1: these white people. Because we gotta talk like this, because

2073
01:54:50,720 --> 01:54:54,880
Speaker 1: because I think that had to be thought out when

2074
01:54:55,000 --> 01:55:00,560
Speaker 1: that time period was picked. They did, do know, talk

2075
01:55:00,640 --> 01:55:03,240
Speaker 1: us through that whole process, because you knew that time

2076
01:55:03,320 --> 01:55:05,800
Speaker 1: period that you couldn't walk around just giving them orders

2077
01:55:05,840 --> 01:55:09,000
Speaker 1: out in public because that would draw attention. And also

2078
01:55:09,120 --> 01:55:11,600
Speaker 1: when people came to you negative because I've seen in

2079
01:55:11,640 --> 01:55:13,960
Speaker 1: the in the premier where somebody came to you negative

2080
01:55:13,960 --> 01:55:16,880
Speaker 1: because negative because you were a person of color. You

2081
01:55:17,000 --> 01:55:19,920
Speaker 1: react and you go, oh, don't make no ripples, don't

2082
01:55:20,280 --> 01:55:23,520
Speaker 1: don't make no ripples. You know. I think that was

2083
01:55:23,640 --> 01:55:26,800
Speaker 1: really and then uh, I think Chloe's character, you know,

2084
01:55:27,240 --> 01:55:30,240
Speaker 1: when she was walking into the bar area. Uh, that

2085
01:55:30,360 --> 01:55:33,160
Speaker 1: that that that just got treated like she was a

2086
01:55:33,720 --> 01:55:36,240
Speaker 1: stupid female in his eyes, you know, while you're at home,

2087
01:55:36,560 --> 01:55:38,680
Speaker 1: you know, taking care of babies, and she reacted to that.

2088
01:55:39,160 --> 01:55:41,480
Speaker 1: I think that is so clever because of the fact

2089
01:55:41,560 --> 01:55:45,560
Speaker 1: that it allows us to see, you know, how how

2090
01:55:45,840 --> 01:55:48,840
Speaker 1: how time has changed, but if you go back to

2091
01:55:48,920 --> 01:55:51,480
Speaker 1: that time, it's still the same. But you guys got

2092
01:55:51,600 --> 01:55:54,560
Speaker 1: to play out your roles and the characters that we

2093
01:55:54,680 --> 01:55:58,240
Speaker 1: believe that you are in a period that's not conducive

2094
01:55:58,280 --> 01:56:03,840
Speaker 1: to that particular particular the uh social economical social stylings

2095
01:56:04,280 --> 01:56:05,840
Speaker 1: talk to us about that. When the script was being

2096
01:56:05,840 --> 01:56:07,360
Speaker 1: put in front of you guys, how what did y'all

2097
01:56:07,400 --> 01:56:09,560
Speaker 1: think about it? Did you have any questions when you

2098
01:56:09,680 --> 01:56:13,320
Speaker 1: are developing that period of ninety one? Well, that was

2099
01:56:13,440 --> 01:56:16,320
Speaker 1: my first question. That was my first question about race,

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Speaker 1: because uh, look, you know you you can't deny that

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Speaker 1: I'm a six foot four, two time black man walking

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Speaker 1: down the street. You can't deny it. And the thing

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Speaker 1: is that I said to them, Now, I don't know

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Speaker 1: what they had in motion, but I asked him, I said,

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Speaker 1: what what how are you going to address the And

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Speaker 1: one of the executives said, oh, we might say something

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Speaker 1: where uh where someone says, oh, you know, hey, you

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Speaker 1: gotta walk through the back or something like that. And

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Speaker 1: and again I don't know how much further they were

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Speaker 1: gonna go, but I mean when we first, when they

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Speaker 1: first started talking about I said, listen, I would like

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Speaker 1: you to address that. I would like you to address

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Speaker 1: it more than just something like that, because it wasn't

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Speaker 1: something that one person might itself. Everybody felt a certain

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Speaker 1: way about uh, black people. Everybody that was what a

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Speaker 1: certain way about black people during the time. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you know, uh, I'm not saying that body was racist,

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Speaker 1: but I'm saying that some things were acceptable and some

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Speaker 1: things were not. A black man walking amongst white people

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Speaker 1: and giving orders and walking in and walking with us

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Speaker 1: in his authority and in his power was not accepted

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Speaker 1: now as a character. There's no way I was going

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Speaker 1: to back down from that. There's no way I was

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Speaker 1: going to I'm not gonna walk into a situation. And

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Speaker 1: because now, look, if it was a different time period,

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Speaker 1: if I was playing a movie where I was born

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Speaker 1: that time and it not not, it might be different.

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Speaker 1: But because I'm a man of this age going back

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Speaker 1: in time, I'm going to keep the authority in the

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Speaker 1: power in which I walk in because I'm not diminishing

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Speaker 1: the story. What I'm saying, Well, that's why I loved it.

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Speaker 1: That's why I thought, you know, and looking at the

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Speaker 1: thirty one soon as they said that time for you

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Speaker 1: and I read that, I said, Wow, this is gonna

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Speaker 1: be interested in watching your character because you're not gonna

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Speaker 1: become five for seven okay, and you know you're still

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Speaker 1: gotta be six ft four. That's why you caught that

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Speaker 1: hat and with stride, because when you're walk in the room,

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Speaker 1: like I said, when you're walking the room, even today,

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Speaker 1: you are a room changer because of how you look

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Speaker 1: and your physicality. And so one you walk into that bar,

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Speaker 1: immediately everybody looked at you. Okay, you know, because they're going, okay,

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Speaker 1: we got them being in here wise that big black

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Speaker 1: dude in here, and who let him in? You know,

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Speaker 1: and and and that's just that's just to me. It's

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Speaker 1: fine with me because that storytelling. But the storytelling that

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Speaker 1: we could not have is that you bowing down or

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Speaker 1: you being talked too badly and not reacting to it.

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Speaker 1: That is what I appreciated about last night. And thank you. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and the same years. If you notice each time someone

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Speaker 1: like one guy, I think he said shadow and the

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Speaker 1: implication me was racial. Now you know, it might have

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Speaker 1: been something different, but the implication for me was racial.

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Speaker 1: And in the bar when the guy started, uh, he

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Speaker 1: started to call me a racial derogatory word and and

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Speaker 1: and yeah, I said, I stepped to him both. I said,

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Speaker 1: what do you say? You know? Yes, you know nothing.

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Speaker 1: I preached that I'm not you know, look, I'm you know,

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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna blow my cover. But the thing is

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Speaker 1: is that a man in this age and this this

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Speaker 1: this latent time, uh has a certain sense can walk

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Speaker 1: in his authority, can walk in his power. And and

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Speaker 1: that's something that is ingrained in us. So that was

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Speaker 1: a re actionary thing for mac back Man when he

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Speaker 1: was he was in the third it was beautiful. It

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Speaker 1: was beautiful, you know, I just wanted to everybody know

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Speaker 1: it's a great series premier and but I thought that,

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Speaker 1: But that's an underlying tone, especially how women were treated

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Speaker 1: in the thirty one and how people of color when

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Speaker 1: treated in nineteen thirty one is going to be played

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Speaker 1: out through the period while they're standing down. And I

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Speaker 1: think it's really cool because the writers heated your thoughts

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Speaker 1: and and a lot of respect, because you can't do

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Speaker 1: a great series and you can't send little underlying messages

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Speaker 1: that respect is always the bottom of bottom line we're

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Speaker 1: all trying to achieve. And in this final mission, which

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Speaker 1: is the seventh season of Marvels Agents of Shields, it's

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Speaker 1: really especial because of the fact that you're the director.

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Speaker 1: Women have power, women are fighters, women are not subservient,

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Speaker 1: and they're on a mission to save the world. Tell

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Speaker 1: us about this this final mission and let us know

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Speaker 1: the direction and what can we expect the season. Henry, Well,

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Speaker 1: you can expect us too. I think it's already been

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Speaker 1: told that we are we don't remain in this time

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Speaker 1: we go to different time period. Absolutely, I think that's

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Speaker 1: already been said. So I'm not giving anything um. And

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Speaker 1: the the one thing I could say is that, uh,

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Speaker 1: the mission, I'm trying to say something without giving away

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Speaker 1: the wishing the mission. It becomes more complicated because, as

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Speaker 1: you know, if you go back in time, it's a

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Speaker 1: butterfly effect. If you do something, it changes the future.

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Speaker 1: And then maybe if you change the future, then maybe

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Speaker 1: you have to go back to another time to try

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Speaker 1: to impress something so it doesn't happen in the present time.

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Speaker 1: So it's it's a thing where and where you were

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Speaker 1: trying to trying to put out fires and trying to

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Speaker 1: do what's necessary, uh to stop these chronic colms from

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Speaker 1: taking over. But but the thing is is um, like

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Speaker 1: I said, along the way, you just have to read.

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Speaker 1: You know, there's gonna be some things where it's gonna

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Speaker 1: affect people's lives and look and look like this. Because

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Speaker 1: we're moving through time, right there are other people that

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Speaker 1: are gonna come that could possibly come back that we've

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Speaker 1: seen before. That's awesome. That's Henry. I don't want to

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Speaker 1: hold you any longer, man, I just want to I

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Speaker 1: just want to have an honest conversation with somebody I respect,

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Speaker 1: a person I consider a mentor. For a lot of

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Speaker 1: young people of all colors in this country, but more

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Speaker 1: importantly in the in the era that we live today.

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Speaker 1: You know, we all need to look up and see

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Speaker 1: somebody that's doing something different and doing the impossible. And

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Speaker 1: you do it. Every Wednesday at ten pm Eastern and

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Speaker 1: nine pm Central on ABC Marvel Agents of Shields. You're

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Speaker 1: the director, the director, Mr Mac the Return of the

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Speaker 1: mat Turn of the May. Keep that hat cock, baby,

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Speaker 1: and keep that tide, man, And I love your brother.

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Speaker 1: I love you, man, and I want to thank you

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Speaker 1: for calling much make conversation. But I hope you appreciated

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Speaker 1: the conversation we had, man, because it was an honest

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Speaker 1: one about you as a talent. Man. And sometimes you

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Speaker 1: need to be told, man, you special man, that you're

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Speaker 1: making a difference, not only when you go to work

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Speaker 1: and take care of your family and you have your

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Speaker 1: faith in God, but you're affecting people out there, man,

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Speaker 1: because you go to work, you take care of your family,

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Speaker 1: and you have a respect for God, Your special man.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna for you that, uh. And I appreciate that

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Speaker 1: I've had a bunch of auditions, I'm sorry, a bunch

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Speaker 1: of interviews this week, and I'm Honestly, this was the

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Speaker 1: best one. The questions that you've asked, UH are meanful

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Speaker 1: and insightful. Not sense for me, but I think for

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Speaker 1: other people hopefully, Sir. I appreciate you, thank you, thank

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Speaker 1: you for what you're doing. What you're doing is making

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Speaker 1: a difference. Whether you realize or not, you are making

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Speaker 1: a difference. And I appreciate you. Thank you, thank you. Hey,

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Speaker 1: my man, you keep winning out there. And you know,

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