Speaker 1: Welcome to the Solid Verbal. I'll that for me. I'm
Speaker 1: a man, I'm forty.
Speaker 2: I've heard so many players say, well, I want to
Speaker 2: be happy.
Speaker 1: You want to be happy for Dake Edith.
Speaker 2: State is that woo woom?
Speaker 1: And Dan and Tye.
Speaker 2: Welcome back to the Solid Verbal, boys and girls. My
Speaker 2: name is Ty Hildenbrand, joining me as always over there
Speaker 2: in New York City, my beloved co host and dear friend,
Speaker 2: the one, the only Dan Rubinstein, Sir, how are you.
Speaker 1: A little bit tired, a little bit surprised, a little
Speaker 1: bit worn out from from all sorts of things, but
Speaker 1: glad to be with you, Ty. How's life with you?
Speaker 2: Wife? Life is good. Life's a little bit somber. Because
Speaker 2: college football, the season is now over as of today,
Speaker 2: officially everyone's undefeated. I love that line.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
Speaker 2: But we had quite a game last night, Clemson. Congratulations
Speaker 2: to the Clemson Tigers, forty four to sixteen, your twenty
Speaker 2: eighteen nineteen national champions A dominating effort from Dabo Sweeney,
Speaker 2: certainly from Brent venimals from Trevor Lawrence. We're going to
Speaker 2: go through all of that over the next forty five
Speaker 2: minutes or so. Clemson, of course, finishes with a mark
Speaker 2: of fifteen to zero. H Dabo now has as many
Speaker 2: national championships as Bobby Bowden as Joe Paterno. It was
Speaker 2: Alabama's worst loss since nineteen ninety eight and the vaunted
Speaker 2: Mike Dubo's era, which I'm sure still gives BAMA fans
Speaker 2: some nightmares. Yeah, we've got a lot to break down. Dan.
Speaker 1: Quite a finish here, it was, And bless me really
Speaker 1: for saying, now, watch Clemson lay the wood after saying
Speaker 1: that was the least likely outcome, which alter of Dan
Speaker 1: one hundred percent of the time, am either right or wrong?
Speaker 1: Alter of Dan, Alter of Dan, that's right. Sure, a
Speaker 1: sting in college football picking. We both at least took
Speaker 1: the points. But what we thought this game before does
Speaker 1: not matter because we have the actual results. And the
Speaker 1: actual reality is Clemson now has to be in the
Speaker 1: conversation of best team ever just in terms of sheer,
Speaker 1: dominance and production and the level of team they beat
Speaker 1: at the top. And I could not believe my eyes
Speaker 1: in the best possible way the degree to which Clemson
Speaker 1: in every facet pretty much from Trevor Lawrence and the
Speaker 1: lines and the defense and the moments that they won
Speaker 1: on down. To do that against Alabama is you know,
Speaker 1: the King is dead, long lived the King kind of thing.
Speaker 2: It's funny you bring that up, because I was texting
Speaker 2: with friends at halftime and I was keeping an eye
Speaker 2: on the halftime line. What was the money line for
Speaker 2: Alabama still winning the game despite being down at that
Speaker 2: point thirty one to sixteen. We've seen this before with Alabama.
Speaker 2: We saw that last year in the National Championship.
Speaker 1: They strike immediately.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they find a way to make a second half adjustment,
Speaker 2: they reassemble the robot, and they find a way to win.
Speaker 2: That was not the case here. We saw a field
Speaker 2: goal very early on, about fourteen minutes left in the
Speaker 2: second quarter that gave Alabama the leads sixteen to fourteen,
Speaker 2: and from that point forward, Dan, they did not score.
Speaker 2: Clemson went on an incredible run thirty unanswered points between
Speaker 2: the very start of the second quarter and the very
Speaker 2: end of the game, as they ultimately end up winning
Speaker 2: the game by twenty eight points, which is just amazing
Speaker 2: to me. I'm glad I didn't take that number that
Speaker 2: I saw at halftime, because it would not have worked
Speaker 2: out in my favor.
Speaker 1: No, it would not have.
Speaker 2: There.
Speaker 1: There were elements of this game, even with how Clemson
Speaker 1: and we'll start at the top, I'm sure momentarily, but
Speaker 1: there were elements of this game no matter what we
Speaker 1: had seen for fourteen games. Whether it was the offensive
Speaker 1: line coach by Robbie Caldwell, by the way Turkey and
Speaker 1: eminator to the stars, that's right. Whether it was that
Speaker 1: offensive line, a very experienced offensive line led by I
Speaker 1: guess what Mitch Hyatt started for four years, right, yep,
Speaker 1: Whether it was the defensive line, which we knew was
Speaker 1: with absolute certainty, was going to wreak havoc on anybody
Speaker 1: lined up in front of them, that it was going
Speaker 1: to take them on every play, winning every moment. And
Speaker 1: they outshined even that bar which was which was just incredible,
Speaker 1: especially with the game. The way the game started, we
Speaker 1: were like, oh, shoot, fourteen thirteen after thirty five seconds.
Speaker 1: It wasn't thirty five seconds. We're like, okay, somebody, this
Speaker 1: is TCU Baylor two thousand and whatever. It was fourteen
Speaker 1: where it's just fifty nine to fifty six, last one
Speaker 1: with the ball wins. Turns out last one what the
Speaker 1: ball did win, but just in a very calm victory formation.
Speaker 2: I'm going to start in the first quarter because, as
Speaker 2: you hinted, the first quarter was the most frenetic of
Speaker 2: the game, a lot of back and forth, back and forth,
Speaker 2: back and forth. So first off, if Clemson gets the ball,
Speaker 2: they go three and out. Alabama gets the ball to
Speaker 2: it throws a pick six on their first possession. Twitter
Speaker 2: goes nuts. People are going crazy.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Then Alabama gets the ball back to his very next
Speaker 2: pass three plays into their next drive, a sixty two
Speaker 2: yard strike, a beautiful deep ball to our boy Jerry Judy.
Speaker 2: With that, Clemson gets the ball back a touchdown. Then
Speaker 2: Alabama gets the ball back a touchdown, and then a
Speaker 2: missed extra point. Now we're at fourteen thirteen. We're near
Speaker 2: the end of the first quarter. Everyone's wondering, it's the
Speaker 2: age old line. Will the extra point come back?
Speaker 1: Taunt out?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, six points was the line. Huh. That's interesting
Speaker 2: to at least plausible at this point. But then Bama
Speaker 2: forces a three and out, they get the ball back.
Speaker 2: They put together an eleven place minute drive. It seems
Speaker 2: like they're starting to steady that ship a little bit.
Speaker 2: They kick a field goal at the start of the
Speaker 2: second quarter. That's when they go up sixteen to fourteen.
Speaker 2: As we mentioned earlier, from that point forward again, fourteen minutes,
Speaker 2: eighteen seconds left in the second quarter, all Clemson, All Clemson,
Speaker 2: thirty unanswered points, complete domination for the next forty four
Speaker 2: minutes in eighteen seconds of the football game, Dan, what
Speaker 2: stood out to you as being the main reasons why
Speaker 2: Clemson dominated in the manner that they did and what
Speaker 2: surprised you about what you saw?
Speaker 1: I mean, do you want me to spell out Trevor
Speaker 1: Lawrence as all of the reasons on offense at least? So,
Speaker 1: First of all, the shocker in terms of where Clemson
Speaker 1: went from being down while they were down sixteen to
Speaker 1: fourteen yep to being comfortably up at the half by
Speaker 1: double digits thirty one sixteen is that they were not
Speaker 1: doing it sort of meticulously with perhaps the best running
Speaker 1: back in the country and Travis etn and even when
Speaker 1: he did break loose for a couple of runs, it
Speaker 1: was not game changing.
Speaker 2: Now they used him in a very complimentary role.
Speaker 1: I thought, right, they had a nice screen. I think
Speaker 1: to Tavian Feaster on that drive, that touchdown drive where
Speaker 1: they got to twenty one points. But really it was
Speaker 1: going downfield. And this is something I want to sort
Speaker 1: of bring up later on in the show in terms
Speaker 1: of strategy against Bama whatever. But what looked to me
Speaker 1: as just at least for the offense, because the defense
Speaker 1: is also worth really honing in on, was Trevor Lawrence
Speaker 1: being counted on to not be a freshman on the
Speaker 1: biggest stage where you would understand if he played somewhat
Speaker 1: like a freshman for better or for worse in that
Speaker 1: you know, going in and I was one of these
Speaker 1: people you say, well, is he going to be trusted
Speaker 1: to do more than read half the field? Is he
Speaker 1: going to be trusted to look at, you know, look
Speaker 1: off more than one receiver, go through more than one progression, whatever,
Speaker 1: And repeatedly third and sevens, third and eights, third and
Speaker 1: thirteen's whatever. He was saying, this is the tight window
Speaker 1: I have to throw, and I'm going to look off
Speaker 1: this guy and I'm going to hit Justin Ross here
Speaker 1: along the sideline. And I'm not just specifically talking about
Speaker 1: this in the second quarter, but it was Trevor Lawrence
Speaker 1: having the option to do what needed to be done
Speaker 1: against a very good Alabama defense. The line protecting him
Speaker 1: and them saying we are not going to win this
Speaker 1: game with Tavian Feaster and Travis Etn on the ground,
Speaker 1: and let's not even try to do something that we've
Speaker 1: already determined is not the best course. And we said it.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it was in the Instagram live
Speaker 1: thing we did postgame. Devil Swinney is cutthroat. He may
Speaker 1: come off as aw shucks, but between the Kelly Bryant
Speaker 1: thing and we are not going to feed Travis Etn
Speaker 1: because we like him and we know he's excellent, if
Speaker 1: it's the wrong thing to do against Alabama, and I
Speaker 1: commend that entirely, and I on that stage to say,
Speaker 1: you know, we're not going to be fifty to fifty
Speaker 1: run pass. We are just going to do everything that's
Speaker 1: necessary in every possible moment to win. That's best of
Speaker 1: the best tie. That's just that's all. It is. Stuff,
Speaker 1: that's good stuff.
Speaker 2: You mentioned Clemson's offensive line. They created what I would
Speaker 2: describe as a hermetically sealed pocket. Yeah, around Trevor Lawrence
Speaker 2: for most of the game. That doesn't mean he didn't
Speaker 2: take some shots. He took some shots for sure. By
Speaker 2: a large he had a lot of time to throw.
Speaker 2: He was under duress a lot less than too, it
Speaker 2: was and much more accurate on the night twenty of
Speaker 2: thirty two, three hundred and forty seven yards and three touchdowns.
Speaker 2: That is a legendary performance for any quarterback on that
Speaker 2: big of a stage. Let alone the fact that this
Speaker 2: kid is a freshman. In case he didn't know by now,
Speaker 2: Dan Trevor Lawrence is a freshman. He's nineteen years old.
Speaker 2: Well now was was a freshman. Yeah, we're going to
Speaker 2: be talking about him for quite some time, for at
Speaker 2: least the next two years. He's going to have justin
Speaker 2: Ross with him. He's also going to have some of
Speaker 2: his other targets around next season as well. He is
Speaker 2: a once in a generation talent and it's going to
Speaker 2: be exciting to see what his ceiling ends up being
Speaker 2: on the college level, if there is any, if he
Speaker 2: can continue this incredible run with Clemson, but on a
Speaker 2: more basic level, just as someone who's watched Brandon Wimbush,
Speaker 2: watched Ian Book, and watched a bunch of other quarterbacks
Speaker 2: around college football, what stands out to me about him
Speaker 2: and I don't care if he's a freshman or a senior.
Speaker 2: You don't see any of those weird frantic backfoot throws
Speaker 2: from him.
Speaker 1: No, he's He did have one really good backfoot throw,
Speaker 1: but it was not frantic. It was with purpose, I think,
Speaker 1: on a big third down.
Speaker 2: You know, you see it a lot in games like this,
Speaker 2: where an opposing quarterback is overwhelmed by a pass rush
Speaker 2: or a situation or a bad read or who knows
Speaker 2: whatever else, floats one and they back up. They back
Speaker 2: they back up. They sort of float one trying to
Speaker 2: get it out of bounds. Maybe they get it there,
Speaker 2: maybe they don't, or they float one over the middle
Speaker 2: trying to make a play. Trevor Lawrence doesn't do that.
Speaker 2: He doesn't have to do that. And like you said,
Speaker 2: even when he's throwing off his back foot, it's going somewhere.
Speaker 2: There's a purpose to it. He's making that throw because
Speaker 2: he knows he can complete the pass. That to me,
Speaker 2: that little aspect of his game, to me, is what
Speaker 2: really stands out and puts him head and shoulders above
Speaker 2: so much of the competition.
Speaker 1: It's incredible, by the way, and rightfully so. Eyeballs were
Speaker 1: following the pass itself on that ridiculous justin ross third
Speaker 1: down conversion one hand sideline. Yeah, Trevor Lawrence was absolutely
Speaker 1: pulverized by Isaiah Buggs on that play. Like he broke through.
Speaker 1: He totally beat I think the Clemson right guard, I
Speaker 1: want to say, And to your point, he was not
Speaker 1: backing up and floating that. He stepped in as well
Speaker 1: as he could have on that throw, delivered it to
Speaker 1: the exact window it needed to be delivered too, and
Speaker 1: got busted up, Yeah, and lived to move the chains
Speaker 1: and play another down. And it was that's I mean,
Speaker 1: that's just ridiculous. I mean, how do you be so
Speaker 1: good that we are talking about you in a game
Speaker 1: with Tua, who was arguably the best letterback in the country.
Speaker 2: Let's switch gears a little bit and let's talk about Tua.
Speaker 2: Tua was on the other side of this thing, and
Speaker 2: he was going against that Clemson that vaunted Clemson defensive line,
Speaker 2: you know, the one that was without Dexter Lawrence, which
Speaker 2: is still amazing to me. That line for Clemson changed
Speaker 2: the rhythm for Tua. He had two very uncharacteristic interceptions,
Speaker 2: one very early another one still pretty early in the game.
Speaker 2: In particular, though Clemson's line and its ability to generate
Speaker 2: pressure without actually blitzing is what I thought played such
Speaker 2: a huge role in this game. Whenever you can do
Speaker 2: that again it's a good passing team like Alabama, it's
Speaker 2: a huge advantage. Whenever you do that against any team,
Speaker 2: it's a huge advantage, but especially against Alabama because it's
Speaker 2: not something Bama has to deal with a whole lot.
Speaker 2: They were just four of thirteen on third downs here
Speaker 2: on the flip side, Clempton was something like ten or fifteen.
Speaker 2: It felt like they were converting every big third down play.
Speaker 2: Alabama could not get it going because Clemson was able
Speaker 2: to play pass coverage and yet still generates so much
Speaker 2: pressure with they're front.
Speaker 1: For Did you read, by the way, Pete Thammill, I
Speaker 1: believe from Yahoo did like the anonymous coaching scouting report
Speaker 1: ahead of this guy.
Speaker 2: I didn't see that. No, so he did that, and
Speaker 2: I listen, I am such a sucker.
Speaker 1: Listen, listen less, I am such a sucker for that
Speaker 1: like blind item, like it happens a lot in like
Speaker 1: preview magazines. Oh yeah, like anonymous coaches break down because
Speaker 1: you get a certain amount of honesty.
Speaker 2: Athlon does like a whole page perpose on that Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's great.
Speaker 1: I understand the trepidation about anonymous source and whatever, but
Speaker 1: I appreciate the honesty in those situation because it's something.
Speaker 1: They're the ones watching the games with with a finer
Speaker 1: tooth comb than any of us. And the big one
Speaker 1: of the big notes that caused a minor stir was
Speaker 1: Alabama's offensive line is good but not great, and this
Speaker 1: is still an offensive line with a ton of talent.
Speaker 1: Jonah Williams might be the first He's gonna be the first, yeah,
Speaker 1: off the board in the NFL draft. We'll see what happens,
Speaker 1: but he's on that level. And I saw some pushback
Speaker 1: with that, especially with our pal and curling teammate Cole
Speaker 1: Kubltz from ESPN SEC Olympian. Yeah, does radio down in Alabama,
Speaker 1: and he was like, this is madness, this is insane
Speaker 1: to say this about this Alabama offensive line. And he's
Speaker 1: somebody who watches a ton of tape. And I don't
Speaker 1: know if it was him short selling Clemson or him,
Speaker 1: you know, just not understanding that what Clemson is capable of,
Speaker 1: and I of course believe he is, but that was
Speaker 1: what caused a stir and Alabama's off fensive line. We
Speaker 1: saw it running plays and they ran the ball all
Speaker 1: right at times, but protecting to I know on a
Speaker 1: fourth and goal they ran like to a left right
Speaker 1: it was just a QB run to the left off
Speaker 1: tackle and I believe it was Cleveland Virule who just
Speaker 1: almost went untouched and destroyed the play behind the line
Speaker 1: of scrimmage. And they just they won the moments. That's
Speaker 1: what I'm gonna keep harping on. It's what they did
Speaker 1: on third down to keep Alabama away from moving the chains,
Speaker 1: what they did on fourth down. Alabama finished what three
Speaker 1: of six The Alabama had to go for six fourth downs.
Speaker 1: That's just and it's not just the defensive line. It's
Speaker 1: Kendall Joseph in the linebacking corps everywhere. It's the secondary
Speaker 1: weathering an injury. I think it was a cramp in
Speaker 1: the second half. And Mark Fields, I believe was the
Speaker 1: guy who came in. He was making plays. It was
Speaker 1: challenging balls at the top of their the whatever the
Speaker 1: passing arc it was. It was just a total every
Speaker 1: down efforts. And yes, I do think it started with
Speaker 1: the line just making life hell for the Alabama offense.
Speaker 2: So do we learn anything now from Tua after seeing
Speaker 2: him go up against a really good Clemson team. Again,
Speaker 2: we saw Tua burst onto the scene sure win the
Speaker 2: national championship against Georgia year ago in overtime. That was
Speaker 2: a great game. Clearly, Tua has had an amazing year.
Speaker 2: He had forty one touchdown passes. But this this was
Speaker 2: fundamentally and much different.
Speaker 1: Without a lot of second halves. Yeah, without a lot
Speaker 1: of second halves. He's an incredible college football talent and
Speaker 1: will continue to be so, at least for one more
Speaker 1: year on the college stage. But this was a different
Speaker 1: too that we saw.
Speaker 2: And I don't know if you can put it all
Speaker 2: on him, because again that line really did win the
Speaker 2: point of attack against Alabama's front. But to see Tua
Speaker 2: kind of on his back foot at times frantic that
Speaker 2: this was a different side of him. Every quarterback is
Speaker 2: going to see this over the course of their career,
Speaker 2: there are no exceptions. But it was just a much,
Speaker 2: much different stage for him in this setting now to
Speaker 2: see him kind of frankly where a lot of Alabama's
Speaker 2: opponents are on the offensive side.
Speaker 1: So I can't in good conscious say something like, well,
Speaker 1: Tua on the big stage or Tua like didn't play
Speaker 1: up to the moment, because you can't say that that
Speaker 1: is that is taking away a ton from what this
Speaker 1: all time Clemson defense was able to accomplish. And I
Speaker 1: think that was it. I mean, the first interception was uncharacteristic.
Speaker 1: He was throwing to the wide sizes under the field side.
Speaker 1: The pass was behind the receiver, and it was just
Speaker 1: easy pick six. It was just bad pass, bad read,
Speaker 1: bad execution, blah blah blah. His second interception, he saw
Speaker 1: something that wasn't there. And would you say he was
Speaker 1: seeing ghosts. I don't even know if he was seeing ghosts.
Speaker 1: He just went into the house. What is the ghostbusters?
Speaker 1: You know the pack? Oh, the proton pack, the proton pack.
Speaker 1: Thank you, it's been a while. He just went into
Speaker 1: a house firing. He didn't see ghosts. He was just
Speaker 1: like it was a heat check moment. When he went
Speaker 1: deep on that pass, I think he saw man coverage.
Speaker 1: Perhaps maybe that was the ghost he saw. They were
Speaker 1: in some variation it looked like to me of cover three.
Speaker 1: So it was Travion Mullen who made plays all over
Speaker 1: the place. He was also the one who got home
Speaker 1: against on a corner blitz. So he had that left
Speaker 1: side of the field and he was just playing the
Speaker 1: left side of the field and he was just running
Speaker 1: alongside a receiver while somebody else was underneath, and it
Speaker 1: was just a really it was a bad pass, it
Speaker 1: was a bad read, and it was I think that
Speaker 1: led to a touchdown, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So it was both those interceptions, either directly or indirectly
Speaker 1: led to points, and that is Clemson. That is Clemson
Speaker 1: perhaps making to his sea ghosts, but it was a
Speaker 1: terrific game plan. It was forcing to it to be perfect,
Speaker 1: and at times he looked like he was I mean,
Speaker 1: the third of Jerry Judy Early was still.
Speaker 2: Throws to his ear a hell of a deep ball.
Speaker 2: I know it didn't all work out yeah last night,
Speaker 2: but it'd be silly to taunt to at this point
Speaker 2: after he's done so many great things already and say, wow,
Speaker 2: you know he's not a big game player.
Speaker 1: Yes, and they ran the ball decently enough early, but
Speaker 1: they were just there was a team that made mistakes small, medium, large.
Speaker 1: I still remember that fake field goal. Oh yeah, I
Speaker 1: just took a screen grab rewatching and that wide shot.
Speaker 1: I think it was the wirecam shot of what Clemson's
Speaker 1: defense was in and what after the game Alabama's I
Speaker 1: don't know if it was the kicker or the holder said,
Speaker 1: you know, we knew they might be in that look,
Speaker 1: and we still liked it.
Speaker 2: It was a base four to three or.
Speaker 1: So, I mean it was there was I could bring
Speaker 1: up the screenshot. This is you know, definitely a visual medium.
Speaker 1: But as you look at it, there's four down linemen,
Speaker 1: there's a standing like edge rush or whatever. It would
Speaker 1: be a four to five two I guess technically, and
Speaker 1: they are just all facing looking at each other and saying,
Speaker 1: you know what to do if and when they fake it?
Speaker 1: And Alabama's kicker is staring directly into this, and the
Speaker 1: holder is looking directly into this and saying, yep, fourth
Speaker 1: and six, iy, we got this, and spoiler alerts, they
Speaker 1: did not.
Speaker 2: It was the least special special teams formation for Clemson
Speaker 2: in that moment.
Speaker 1: It's been a hell of a last month for botched fakes.
Speaker 1: Between Oh my God, Georgia, the Oregon Red Box Bowl
Speaker 1: disaster fiasco with the fake and this, it's been it's
Speaker 1: been rough for creativity, execution, actual deciding to go through
Speaker 1: with it. Miss and Alabama wasn't going to I guess
Speaker 1: call a time out, thinking, Okay, we're still down fifteen
Speaker 1: with ten minutes left in the third quarter. Let's not
Speaker 1: waste a time out here. If this is not indeed
Speaker 1: the full field goal unit we won on the field.
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Speaker 2: Actually, I know.
Speaker 1: Well, Saban always comes out in a dude you see that,
Speaker 1: you know, entering the stadium stuff, Dabo walked out on
Speaker 1: the field a little bit. I think after Nick Saban
Speaker 1: to just like get a sense how's the turf moving tonight,
Speaker 1: which is actually pretty importantly by stadium. You know, there's
Speaker 1: always the option that, oh, there's like a bunch of
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Speaker 1: footmore college football player, he's under fifty. It's a pretty
Speaker 1: baggy suit, really, And if he's going to be in
Speaker 1: this position for these next few years with Clemson, as
Speaker 1: I imagine he will be on this big national stage,
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Speaker 1: Well, wasn't he playing god?
Speaker 2: He was playing God, but he was wearing the snow
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Speaker 1: So it's a full white suit.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think Bradley Cooper tried to pull that off
Speaker 2: at the Golden Globes. I've seen a couple of other
Speaker 2: athletes trying to pull that off. You like that, would
Speaker 2: you go snow white?
Speaker 1: When I hear Morgan Freeman and then Bradley Cooper? My
Speaker 1: next name is ty Hildenbrand. Every time, it's right every time,
Speaker 1: So my answer is yes, if and when, like you
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Speaker 2: Where do we want to go next?
Speaker 1: There?
Speaker 2: There's a whole lot to cover here. We talked at
Speaker 2: nauseum about what Trevor Lawrence did, what to a tongue
Speaker 2: of iloa had to face in this National championship and
Speaker 2: certainly how Clemson won in the trenches. With any National
Speaker 2: championship game though, and certainly now this this apparatus that
Speaker 2: ESPN has constructed around it, it's a whole experience. When
Speaker 2: you're sitting at home on your couch watching, you've got
Speaker 2: multiple options. So you've got the main broadcast feed, which
Speaker 2: was Chris Fowler, Kirk kurb Street. Yep, we had the
Speaker 2: ESPN two.
Speaker 1: Feel it was on the field. It was Bernaldi and
Speaker 1: Maria Taylor.
Speaker 2: Maria Taylor and Tom Arnaldi were on the field. Yep,
Speaker 2: did a great job. We had the ESPN two feed,
Speaker 2: which it wasn't the Homer cast as I think we've
Speaker 2: seen before with our friend Adam Ameen. But Adam was
Speaker 2: down on the field alongside Steve Levy. I think they
Speaker 2: had some personalities that they were able to rotate in
Speaker 2: and out. But I caught a big chunk of Jonathan Vilma,
Speaker 2: who did a great job on the field alongside Steve Levy,
Speaker 2: as well as Gene Chiswick, who was doing his part
Speaker 2: to call out some plays alongside Adam Aman earlier in the.
Speaker 1: Game, alongside Burns. What are we talking?
Speaker 2: You couldn't see the side Burns because he had he
Speaker 2: had the headset on. Oh and I was desperate for
Speaker 2: him to maybe just scratch his ear or something to
Speaker 2: remove the earphone to see if he had grown any sideburns.
Speaker 2: I'm going to assume that he can't because he never
Speaker 2: has had them. But it really would have been the
Speaker 2: upset of the night if he removed them and we
Speaker 2: saw some mutton chops there, that.
Speaker 1: Would have been wonderful. Yeah. I watched a little bit
Speaker 1: of that on my iPad as I was out. Someday
Speaker 1: I'll tell the story unexpectedly, but but yeah, I watched
Speaker 1: the first half of my iPad and I was going
Speaker 1: through a couple of the different the different feeds definitely interesting.
Speaker 1: I didn't watch the who is it Greg McElroy and
Speaker 1: who does the host? Show with somebody on the SEC network.
Speaker 1: I did not watch that feed, did not watch the
Speaker 1: Monday night football feed, did not watch the skycam or
Speaker 1: Blimp feed. Whatever they had going on, I appreciate it.
Speaker 1: I think there's a command center feed.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so the commit of a lot of different angles,
Speaker 2: a lot of people on the Instagram chat when we
Speaker 2: were doing our live thing, we're talking up the command
Speaker 2: center feed and I watched it. So what they had
Speaker 2: is in the in the top right corner, they had
Speaker 2: the game feed, if you were watching regular ESPN. I
Speaker 2: think in the top left corner they had the skycam
Speaker 2: to the wirecam where you could get that on field view,
Speaker 2: and then in the middle they had statistics running statistics,
Speaker 2: so after each play, that window would update to show
Speaker 2: you the latest statistics. I tried to watch it, and
Speaker 2: it was sensory overload for me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a lot.
Speaker 2: I couldn't focus on one, which is weird because it's
Speaker 2: not all that different from when I'm used to watching
Speaker 2: multiple games on a Saturday, But just to have it
Speaker 2: all on one screen.
Speaker 1: To me, we have a bunch of text and numbers.
Speaker 1: You've ever been in a TV truck for like any
Speaker 1: sporting events I have?
Speaker 2: Actually, there's a lot going on, A lot going on
Speaker 2: in those.
Speaker 1: I went and did a documentary with old company I
Speaker 1: worked for, and we did a little documentary feature on
Speaker 1: the Fox Sports a Team NFL truck which is three trucks,
Speaker 1: and I was in the booth in the truck for that.
Speaker 1: That's a lot going You can't imagine what's going on
Speaker 1: with that. So yeah, Command Centers Rough. I was just
Speaker 1: happy because we didn't have the coaches, the coaches whatever
Speaker 1: feed film room to watch the main feed with Falor
Speaker 1: and herb Street and the two reporters down on the field.
Speaker 1: I will say this as it relates to the broadcast
Speaker 1: tie that was as ideal an outcome if it was
Speaker 1: going to be a comfortable win as possible, because you
Speaker 1: had Bama down at the half, but everybody thinking, including you,
Speaker 1: checking the money line, thinking it's only a matter of time.
Speaker 1: I'm going to keep watching. If it were thirty one
Speaker 1: sixteen Alabama, you're thinking this is crock potting. They're trying
Speaker 1: this one forty to twenty one. It's never even going
Speaker 1: to feel that close. But I don't know when it was.
Speaker 1: I mean I had tweeted out at a certain point
Speaker 1: that this one's far from over. In the middle of
Speaker 1: the third quarter, it was over for.
Speaker 2: Sure, Dan, there was an element of disbelief that kept
Speaker 2: a lot of people awake to watch that full game.
Speaker 1: Yes, and so in terms of ratings, in terms of
Speaker 1: interest and stuff, it's as ideal a comfortable win on
Speaker 1: a game, in a game like that, in a spot
Speaker 1: like this, as probably ESPN could have hoped for. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I guess if you are in Bristol, good for you. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So the only two final points here that I'll add
Speaker 2: about the broadcast. Yeah, I did catch a little bit
Speaker 2: of the Monday Night Football Feed and I switched it off.
Speaker 2: Not because I was repulsed by Jason Witten or anything, though, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean there were just a lot of other options
Speaker 2: that I found a little bit more attractive. I had
Speaker 2: friends watch the Monday Night Football Feed and they texted
Speaker 2: me and they said that booger McFarland was killing it.
Speaker 2: He did a great job. Oh good, So you know
Speaker 2: I didn't. I want to give that it's due. It
Speaker 2: sounds like that actually went off pretty well. Please write
Speaker 2: in let me know what you think. I also want
Speaker 2: to give a shout out to our friend Adam Aman. Now.
Speaker 2: I'm sure people will hear this and think that we're
Speaker 2: terribly biased, and to some degree we are.
Speaker 1: But who doesn't like Adam a meme that says more
Speaker 1: about them than us. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I can't emphasize this enough. To call a game to
Speaker 2: do play by play is extraordinary difficult. Yeah, way harder
Speaker 2: than the DRIVELL we put out there twice. It is
Speaker 2: infinitely more difficult. Good use of DRIVELL for him to
Speaker 2: be able to do that as well as he did.
Speaker 2: From the sideline walking around having to avoid footballs being
Speaker 2: thrown at him and people in the way. You could
Speaker 2: see he was carrying his sheet down there. For the
Speaker 2: most part, he was the one commentating that field pass
Speaker 2: look that we got on ESPN two, and I just
Speaker 2: thought he did a hell of a job. So I
Speaker 2: don't know if Adam's listening, but good job to use, sir,
Speaker 2: A good job all college football season long. You were
Speaker 2: you were really a star on that ESPN two field pass.
Speaker 1: Did you see the tweet from somebody This is definitely
Speaker 1: not from us. I think it was ahead of an
Speaker 1: NFL playoff game when it was announced that Booger was
Speaker 1: not going to be in the boogermobile. Boogermobile along the
Speaker 1: sideline which is certainly raised up so he can get
Speaker 1: a better view, that he was not going to be
Speaker 1: in the boogermobile, but he was going to be in
Speaker 1: the booth, and somebody had tweeted out, man, just let
Speaker 1: Booger just attach him to the wirecam and let him
Speaker 1: just swing behind plays. Have the players and punters and
Speaker 1: stuff have to avoid him. That's that's a that's a
Speaker 1: tough ask because of his size. A former lineman Adam
Speaker 1: Amine is perfectly sized to do the wirecam attachment. So
Speaker 1: there's that. Let's talk about Alabama's defense for a moment. Yeah,
Speaker 1: let's Alabama's defense early on in the season kind of maligned. They're,
Speaker 1: what replacing five starters in the secondary from last year
Speaker 1: and the way that they play a lot of times
Speaker 1: they are there are five guys back there and that
Speaker 1: that sort of bass nickel that they are known to run.
Speaker 1: They lose Terrell Lewis before the season, arguably their best
Speaker 1: pass rusher, Christian Miller obviously gets hurt against against Oklahoma,
Speaker 1: who then becomes their best pass rusher without Terrell Lewis,
Speaker 1: and still Alabama is in a place where they finish
Speaker 1: the season either number one or number two defensively in
Speaker 1: terms of whatever metric you care about, and Clemson just
Speaker 1: doesn't care. They just make every play. They're not necessarily
Speaker 1: always going out a specific player. Even though it was
Speaker 1: he was Justin Ross who ragdall?
Speaker 2: Was it?
Speaker 1: Saveon Smith on the long touchdown, then got hurt. I
Speaker 1: don't know if he rolled an ankle on that play.
Speaker 1: And then obviously Justin Ross you know, goes to the
Speaker 1: end zone. But it was whether it was you know,
Speaker 1: Mac Wilson maybe overrunning a player two or the defensive
Speaker 1: line just not being able to collapse the pocket with
Speaker 1: any sort of consistency. For what Clemson did against this
Speaker 1: you know, watching what Clemson did against this Alabama defense,
Speaker 1: it wasn't we see a weakness here that that's what
Speaker 1: we're going to focus on. It's we're going to play
Speaker 1: our game and force them to consistently beat us. And
Speaker 1: that's not something that a lot of teams have done
Speaker 1: against the best of Alabama defenses. And Clemson you can
Speaker 1: argue for sure a couple of years ago when Deshaun
Speaker 1: Watson wins the National championship, totally fearless, his pants are ripping,
Speaker 1: he's being helicoptered, whatever.
Speaker 2: But it was.
Speaker 1: To give up. I mean what it was thirty seven
Speaker 1: points they ultimately gave up because of the pick six.
Speaker 1: Just it's just Buster Douglas, I mean, except Clemson is
Speaker 1: not that kind of underdog.
Speaker 2: Let's take a look at what Alabama did defensively down
Speaker 2: the stretch for the most part. So we're not too
Speaker 2: keen on the total yards stat sure, because that can
Speaker 2: be a bit deceiving, But in terms of yards per play,
Speaker 2: let's look at Alabama's last three games starting first weekend
Speaker 2: of December, then the bowl game playoff semi final in
Speaker 2: the Orange Bowl against Oklahoma and Clemson. Those are the
Speaker 2: three best teams they played all year. LSU might try
Speaker 2: to argue to the contrary, but I would argue that Georgia, Oklahoma,
Speaker 2: Clemson are a cut above. Against Georgia five point seventy
Speaker 2: five yards per play, against Oklahoma six point eighty three
Speaker 2: yards per play, against Clemson seven point six' five yards per.
Speaker 2: Play it seemed to get worse as they played better
Speaker 2: teams down the. Stretch, certainly not a knock against That alabama.
Speaker 2: DEFENSE i would imagine that would happen to most defenses
Speaker 2: when you play against better. Offenses, sure but it does
Speaker 2: stand to reason that against better teams this defense started
Speaker 2: to show a little bit more of its.
Speaker 1: FLAWS i think you can even drill down into a
Speaker 1: more detailed. Level but it's ALSO i think a bigger
Speaker 1: picture thing when you look at And alabama has been
Speaker 1: the standard defensively since what two thousand and, nine twenty,
Speaker 1: ten something like, that And clemson since twenty fifteen when
Speaker 1: they really started to build up that. Depth when you
Speaker 1: look at the teams to succeed or beat those Those
Speaker 1: alabama teams with these Recent clemson teams think there is something.
Speaker 1: Bigger and first of, all you have to have a
Speaker 1: quarterback who is. Fearless if if you look at the
Speaker 1: guys who have gotten to like ten plus yards per
Speaker 1: attempt in the, pocket wherever it's you, Know Johnny, manziel
Speaker 1: It's Chad, kelly It's Bo, Wallace Steven garcia early on
Speaker 1: in twenty. Ten they have these big. Receivers we've talked
Speaker 1: about this ad. Nauseum you, know whether it was you,
Speaker 1: Know Evan ingrin up the, Middle Lakwan, Treadwell, Alshon, jeffrey you,
Speaker 1: Know Zach mettenberger had success against them in twenty. Thirteen
Speaker 1: you have like the standout you, know all timers In
Speaker 1: Johnny manziel And Cam. Newton to me that at this
Speaker 1: point says if you were a program that has and
Speaker 1: obviously Against clemson it was weirdly Enough Nate peterman who
Speaker 1: didn't get to ten yards per, attempt BUT i think
Speaker 1: he had five touchdowns and obviously Tested clemson deep and.
Speaker 1: Succeeded it is not team saying we're going to control
Speaker 1: the game on the, ground we're going to play smash mouth.
Speaker 1: Football there's few and far between. INSTANCES i Know Trey
Speaker 1: mason had a really good game Against alabama one, year
Speaker 1: but that needed to be coupled with the most miraculous
Speaker 1: modern play that we've seen in the kick. Six James
Speaker 1: connor had a pretty decent game Against. Clemson but a
Speaker 1: Thing i'm starting to take, AWAY i don't think this is,
Speaker 1: absolute but Something i'm pretty strongly leaning. Towards if you
Speaker 1: hire a, coach if you're a team that has designs
Speaker 1: on competing, nationally you, know which means winning A power five,
Speaker 1: conference which means being competitive in a playoff. GAME i,
Speaker 1: Apologized Hi Notre dame obviously was the better defense Against
Speaker 1: clemson in the. Playoff but if you have designs of
Speaker 1: that coming in and saying we are going to be
Speaker 1: a smash mouth, Team we're going to control the game
Speaker 1: on the, Ground we're going to be a power team
Speaker 1: that is telling the world we have a, ceiling and
Speaker 1: that ceiling is we don't want to compete with the
Speaker 1: best of the best of the. Best AND i say
Speaker 1: that as somebody who roots for a team with a
Speaker 1: coach like, that with designs of that with recruiting on that,
Speaker 1: level and we saw that With clemson strategy Against alabama last.
Speaker 1: Night we've seen that As alabama has evolved to that,
Speaker 1: Point they're still going to run the, ball but in
Speaker 1: those biggest, games that ball that is going To tua
Speaker 1: and is going to, Whoever Calvin, Ridley Jerry, judy.
Speaker 2: WHOEVER i think that's true to an. Extent the caveat
Speaker 2: here Is clemson In. Alabama you can compete with most
Speaker 2: of the other teams in college football if you've got
Speaker 2: a really strong, identity if you've got the right personnel
Speaker 2: to execute, properly, right, well.
Speaker 1: That's not everything goes through. Them so you are competing
Speaker 1: regionally unless you have a quarterback who can dramatically alter
Speaker 1: a game going downfield with big targets and not sort
Speaker 1: of trying to adhere to an older. Ethos we've seen
Speaker 1: it With, Michigan we've seen it with, WHOEVER Usc, Stanford
Speaker 1: we've seen it across college. Football now we've seen it With,
Speaker 1: washington you, know really struggling in the playoff Against. Alabama
Speaker 1: we see a year in and year, Out Michigan, state
Speaker 1: wisconslyof right that you can win ten games with that
Speaker 1: sort of identity and That i'm not going to tell
Speaker 1: you not. To and if you're a program that really
Speaker 1: realistically is not going to have that. Chance if you're
Speaker 1: cal if You're, minnesota if you are, Whoever. Baylor this
Speaker 1: is not to look down on any of these, programs
Speaker 1: but they're just not ever going to most likely compete
Speaker 1: on this. Level do, whatever do whatever it needs to
Speaker 1: win a bunch of, games beat, rivals get to eight nine,
Speaker 1: wins that's considered a. Success but if this, goal if
Speaker 1: you're spending, money if you're hiring, coaches if you're recruiting
Speaker 1: on the level that says we want to win eleven
Speaker 1: games and play IN nfl stadiums In, january Late, December
Speaker 1: i'm not saying you have to go air. Raid i'm
Speaker 1: saying you have to realize what football is in twenty,
Speaker 1: eighteen twenty, nineteen twenty, twenty and you know jumbo packages
Speaker 1: all the, Time that ain't. It AND i think that's
Speaker 1: what we have gotten to with the evolution Of, alabama
Speaker 1: with what we saw From, clemson and WHAT i think
Speaker 1: is go it's going to take AND i believe it
Speaker 1: will happen With Ohio state With Ryan day running the.
Speaker 1: SHOW i don't think they're going to be nearly as stubborn.
Speaker 1: OFFENSIVELY i think there is going to have to be
Speaker 1: a come To jesus or whoever your chosen deity is
Speaker 1: moment For, michigan because those are the teams that could
Speaker 1: potentially recruit on that level and put together defenses on
Speaker 1: a huge level and just need to figure out how
Speaker 1: they can get the ball to speed in an open
Speaker 1: area well as often as a big part of, that,
Speaker 1: though is, depth and those are the teams that can
Speaker 1: build that that. State, whoever the teams that can build
Speaker 1: that depth are the ones that are best suited to
Speaker 1: run more the System i'll call it that you're describing
Speaker 1: one that's not truly a system defined by, identity but
Speaker 1: one defined by, depth one defined by putting your personnel
Speaker 1: in the best position to, succeed much the way we
Speaker 1: saw With, dabosweeney like you described, earlier he wasn't so
Speaker 1: much Giving travis et and the ball because he had.
Speaker 2: To he was doing so when it made. Sense, sure
Speaker 2: maybe that's more of the model moving forward now as
Speaker 2: we go against these teams that have just so much
Speaker 2: depth that they can beat you a variety of different.
Speaker 2: WAYS i don't. Know it's a tall mountain to climb
Speaker 2: if you're on the outside looking, in if you're a
Speaker 2: team like A Notre dame or a team even like
Speaker 2: In oklahoma that's got a lot of talent that got
Speaker 2: to the, playoff that did their best against two, buzzsaws
Speaker 2: two respective buzz saws In alabama And. Clemson there is
Speaker 2: still a bit of a gap, though between where those
Speaker 2: teams are at and WHERE i think they need to
Speaker 2: get to if they truly want to.
Speaker 1: Compete by the, WAY i don't Think oklahoma stylistically is
Speaker 1: off from WHAT i just. Described they were a matter of,
Speaker 1: DEFENSE i Think Notre dame would stand to build up
Speaker 1: the depth of speed and passing.
Speaker 2: AGGRESSION i think THAT'S i think that's. FAIR i think that's.
Speaker 2: Fair there is a depth on defense that we see
Speaker 2: With alabama And clemson that does not exist on The oklahoma,
Speaker 2: side and perhaps that will get better now they've Hired
Speaker 2: alex grinch away From Ohio. State we'll see what he's
Speaker 2: able to.
Speaker 1: Do, annoyment BUT i Saw Pete quitkowski From washington was
Speaker 1: rumored For, yeah codc, linebackers, murderers Bro.
Speaker 2: As we look forward, now into twenty. Nineteen throughout the
Speaker 2: course of this, week over the span of the next
Speaker 2: couple of, weeks you're going to start seeing these way too.
Speaker 2: Early top twenty. Five we're not going to break down
Speaker 2: the top, ten but with these two teams in, Mind,
Speaker 2: dan it's going to be one two again next, year,
Speaker 2: two isn't? IT i?
Speaker 1: IMAGINE i, Mean clemson loses so much along the lines
Speaker 1: on both sides of the, ball not that they haven't recruited,
Speaker 1: there not that they haven't worked in you, know the
Speaker 1: twos to get a ton of, snaps but it's hard
Speaker 1: to imagine with the offensive skill and the way That
Speaker 1: clemson has recruited and the offensive skill even with, SO
Speaker 1: i Think alabama loses a lot upfront to do both
Speaker 1: sides the ball as. WELL i can't imagine there is
Speaker 1: a strong. CASE i, mean who are the other cases.
Speaker 1: For we don't know What oklahoma is going to look
Speaker 1: like personnel wise on offense or. Defensively Notre Dame, georgia,
Speaker 1: Look Notre dame loses a lot on, defense, Right, yeah,
Speaker 1: Yeah Georgia georgia should be in a terrific. Position.
Speaker 2: Yeah Ohio, state you Through Ohio state in. There although
Speaker 2: there's going to be some turnover.
Speaker 1: At the, Top Dwayne haskins Declared Dwayne.
Speaker 2: Haskins, Declaring Ryan day taking. Over, sure.
Speaker 1: There is not clear examples of you, know there's nobody
Speaker 1: in The pac twelve right. NOW i, Mean washington's still
Speaker 1: probably considered the, favorite But oregon returns Justin Herbert washington
Speaker 1: loses a ton on, defense and then you, Know michigan
Speaker 1: appears to have a ceiling even Though Shaye patterson is.
Speaker 1: Back they lose, obviously we've seen what they've lost on
Speaker 1: the defensive side of the. Ball and there is you,
Speaker 1: Know florida And Florida. State you, know we expect. Improvements
Speaker 1: florida obviously finished the season in impressive. Fashion but to,
Speaker 1: me they right, now the way their offense operates is
Speaker 1: still having a little bit of The Battering graham mentality
Speaker 1: with the, quarterback and That Dan mullen offense really. Good
Speaker 1: might have a, ceiling might have a ceiling in twenty
Speaker 1: nineteen if you are not able To If Felipe franks
Speaker 1: is the one counted on to win huge games with
Speaker 1: his arm right, now with the evidence we, have feels
Speaker 1: like a. Ceiling, yeah all, Right, Dan well there you.
Speaker 2: Go forty four to sixteen is your final score At
Speaker 2: clemson again finishes the year fifteen to oh one of
Speaker 2: the best teams in the history of college, football undoubtedly
Speaker 2: the way that they Dismantled, Alabama congratulations to. Them congratulations
Speaker 2: To alabama on an incredible. Season congratulations to all the
Speaker 2: teams that made the, playoffs all the teams that won bowl,
Speaker 2: games and more, Specifically, dan congratulations TO rvor. Bowlers let's
Speaker 2: give out of applause to the listeners this dumb show
Speaker 2: who hung with us all throughout the college football, season
Speaker 2: enjoyed our stupid banter and our appreciation for college. Football
Speaker 2: it's been a hell of a ride. Here as we
Speaker 2: move into our off, season, Now, dan can you wet
Speaker 2: the appetite of some new verballers who might be listening
Speaker 2: for the first. Time maybe they started The instagram live
Speaker 2: feed and decided to tune into the. Show maybe they
Speaker 2: just picked us up midstream here throughout the course of
Speaker 2: the twenty eighteen. Season what can folks expect now as
Speaker 2: we switch up to once a week Every wednesday is
Speaker 2: where we're going to start dropping shows from this point
Speaker 2: until the start of the new. Season what kind of
Speaker 2: stuff are we going to be putting out.
Speaker 1: There so we'll be doing MORE q And a's will
Speaker 1: be doing what we call a scheme theme that generally
Speaker 1: happens in the, spring where we talk to specific types
Speaker 1: of nerdy experts and coaches about elements of college football
Speaker 1: strategy that have evolved that are new and just, like,
Speaker 1: okay what is it THAT tcu does on defense to COMBAT?
Speaker 1: Rpo something like. That we talked last year With CHRIS.
Speaker 1: B brown Aka Chrispy brown frisbe about communication and signaling
Speaker 1: and language verbiage involved with with getting plays off and executing.
Speaker 1: Whatever and so we do have a time of year
Speaker 1: where we nerd out like. That we will talk to
Speaker 1: coaches sometimes new, coaches and we just do random like
Speaker 1: we In. August we have a thing we, do The
Speaker 1: Fantasy Things, draft where we draft narratives instead of players
Speaker 1: because fantasy college for there were something that has ever
Speaker 1: really there.
Speaker 2: Were some narratives that came out of this one last, Night,
Speaker 2: yes there. Were i'm very excited about twenty nineteen and
Speaker 2: what this has in store for.
Speaker 1: Us, yeah we keep going and so we will you,
Speaker 1: know shine spotlights on specific teams or conferences or you,
Speaker 1: know storylines to be. Followed you, know we have what
Speaker 1: we have another signing day to discuss in a few.
Speaker 1: Weeks we, have you, know probably the coaching carousel will
Speaker 1: spend a couple more, times you, know WITH nfl perhaps hiring.
Speaker 1: COACHES i, Know Matt ruhle and The jets are hot
Speaker 1: and heavy at the time we're recording, this And Cliff
Speaker 1: kingsbury might be a head coach or an offensive. Coordinator
Speaker 1: so we Will we'll try to dig deep with new
Speaker 1: coaches and their fits at their new, places and just
Speaker 1: generally try to, unearth turn over every rock and nerd
Speaker 1: out over what college football has to offer between now
Speaker 1: and when do we start previewing Late july Late. July,
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Speaker 2: Nineteen just because this season is over does not mean
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Speaker 1: Ty where do you put this is going to, be
Speaker 1: this is our engaging into the show the. CLIFFS i
Speaker 1: don't have my answer yet and maybe you. Won't where
Speaker 1: do you? Put just in solid verbal? History so since
Speaker 1: the two thousand and eight, SEASON i want to, say,
Speaker 1: sure where does This clemson team fall of the last
Speaker 1: ten national? Champions WHO i have in front of me
Speaker 1: in terms of just pure, dominance in terms of how
Speaker 1: impressed you? Are you, know it's not to, say, okay
Speaker 1: if this team played the two thousand and Eight florida
Speaker 1: team on a Neutral, no, no, No let's just tell
Speaker 1: me where who is definitively ahead of This clemson. Team
Speaker 1: last Year's alabama, Team so that's too a coming in
Speaker 1: at the end in, relief really good Team, Clemson Deshaun.
Speaker 1: Watson so that's two years. Ago so it's a lot of.
Speaker 1: It there's a lot of overlap in the way these
Speaker 1: two teams have played and our built personnel. Wise twenty Fifteen,
Speaker 1: alabama which was that Big Derrick henry.
Speaker 2: Year it Was Dereck henry.
Speaker 1: Year sure that was an impressive, year but that was
Speaker 1: that Was Jake, coker who was, Fine it Was Lane,
Speaker 1: Kiffin Derek Derek, Coker Jake, Coker Dereck. HENRY i want
Speaker 1: to say who is their leading receiver that? Year, Oh
Speaker 1: Calvin Ridley, ridley That Ohio State Zeke, Elliott Cardelle jones
Speaker 1: Beating oregon In. TEXAS i was. There that was a
Speaker 1: really good. Effect that Was Darren lee on the defensive
Speaker 1: side of the. BALL a lot of talent on That
Speaker 1: Ohio state. Team that what they lose to is that
Speaker 1: the year they lost To Virginia tech to start the
Speaker 1: season in The National. Championship, yep you have The Jamis
Speaker 1: redschirt freshman Year Florida, state which basically everybody on That
Speaker 1: Florida state team went to THE. Nfl yeah that one, Twelve,
Speaker 1: yeah twenty Twelve, bama which WAS i think The Johnny
Speaker 1: manzell lost they. Lose THAT'S aj, McCarron Eddie. Lacy that's
Speaker 1: they beat notre name in The National. Championship. Wow twenty
Speaker 1: eleven is WHAT i think is considered to be the
Speaker 1: all Time alabama. Defense, right that's where they have EVERYONE
Speaker 1: rg three wins The. Heisman That's Trent richardson And Eddie.
Speaker 1: LACY A j mccheron is is throwing the passes but
Speaker 1: still that defense is. Stupid twenty Ten Cam Newton auburn
Speaker 1: not a great, defense but an all timer at. Quarterback
Speaker 1: two thousand and Nine alabama is the one the team
Speaker 1: that Beat texas in The National, championship and that IS
Speaker 1: i think a McElroy, team Mark Ingram Trent richardson and
Speaker 1: another you, know just stupid Defense Hovey, Arenas orlando. McClain
Speaker 1: i'm just naming, players just Naming and then finally that
Speaker 1: two thousand and Eight, Florida florida that was that Was
Speaker 1: tebow's as a, starter not as like The Chris leak
Speaker 1: Relief Chris, Rainey Percy, Harvin Manual. Moody, Wow i've not
Speaker 1: said that name in a long long, time but you,
Speaker 1: know just a ridiculous, defense all sorts of Speed URBAN. Myerso,
Speaker 1: see you're asking Me clemson's fit in that.
Speaker 2: Roster, well we've had the pleasure throughout the course of
Speaker 2: this run to look at some great college. Quarterbacks and,
Speaker 2: again college doesn't always translate to THE. Nfl it didn't For,
Speaker 2: tebow But tebow was a transcendent player on the college
Speaker 2: stage and fit that system, really really. Well we've seen
Speaker 2: the likes Of Cam, Newton we've seen the likes Of Jameis.
Speaker 2: Winston i'm having a hard, time and perhaps it's just
Speaker 2: because this game happened last, night finding other teams on
Speaker 2: this list that felt as dominating both on defense and
Speaker 2: offense the way we saw against another really good, team
Speaker 2: like we, see.
Speaker 1: It's the complete element Of.
Speaker 2: Clemson that's not to say some of these other teams
Speaker 2: couldn't go toe to toe with This clemson. Team, sure
Speaker 2: you mentioned that Great alabama. DEFENSE i would love to
Speaker 2: see what they could have done against This clemson offensive.
Speaker 2: Line and certainly there were moments along the way That
Speaker 2: Cam newton team, that as you know full, well there
Speaker 2: was an l them into that team that felt almost
Speaker 2: untouchable on.
Speaker 1: Offense, sure but.
Speaker 2: The complete package is certainly here With, clemson and far
Speaker 2: be it from me to rule them out against any
Speaker 2: of these, teams just the way they came, together the
Speaker 2: way that system could jeal down the stretch After, september
Speaker 2: When Trevor lawrence got a little bit more, Comfortable it's
Speaker 2: tough to look at this roster here and say that
Speaker 2: This clemson team couldn't have at least given a, game
Speaker 2: if not have beaten most of the other schools that we've,
Speaker 2: listed SO.
Speaker 1: I, would without thinking a lot about, IT i would
Speaker 1: have them ahead of twenty Seventeen. Alabama, yeah for, sure
Speaker 1: The Jalen hurts. Team for. SURE i would have them
Speaker 1: ahead of twenty Fifteen alabama.
Speaker 2: But.
Speaker 1: Close but The Jake koker thing scares me a little.
Speaker 1: Bit But Lane kiffin certainly did a terrific job with
Speaker 1: That alabama. OFFENSE i THINK i would have them ahead
Speaker 1: of twenty Fourteen Ohio states because what did they turned
Speaker 1: the ball over four times Against. OREGON i just don't
Speaker 1: think they're weathering a performance like that against.
Speaker 2: It AND i have a hard time WHEN i try
Speaker 2: to think about twenty thirteen for That Florida state team Is,
Speaker 2: yeah that's the one to me that that job that's
Speaker 2: on that complete, level that's right with how much talent
Speaker 2: was on both sides of the.
Speaker 1: Ball twenty eleven is really tough for me because that
Speaker 1: is probably the best modern defense if it's not this
Speaker 1: Year's clemson, team just because they had to prove it so.
Speaker 1: Often twenty Twelve alabama we can talk. ABOUT i would
Speaker 1: Probably i'd probably have them ahead of twenty Ten auburn
Speaker 1: and two thousand and Nine. Bama not because the starters
Speaker 1: on two thousand and Nine bama were anything short of really.
Speaker 1: Good they just didn't have the, depth because that was
Speaker 1: What satan's third.
Speaker 2: YEAR i. Think for, me IT'S i Think Florida state
Speaker 2: and twenty thirteen is the one THAT i have the
Speaker 2: most difficulty. With that's WHY i hedge a, bit yeah
Speaker 2: in Putting clemson at the very, top because THAT i
Speaker 2: think that's. Right That Florida state team was. Loaded, yeah
Speaker 2: and the other teams were obviously very very good as,
Speaker 2: well but That Florida state, team to, me really jumps. Out.
Speaker 1: Yeah SO i would say out of those, TEN i
Speaker 1: think this Year's clemson team is probably at worst second
Speaker 1: or third top. Three. Yeah so that's given the talent
Speaker 1: and success and production of all of those. Teams what
Speaker 1: an Absurd clemson. Team believe this was.
Speaker 2: Unbelievable what a job By Dabo, Sweeney what a job
Speaker 2: By Nick Saban that we're here. Again it Was Clemson
Speaker 2: Alabama part four over the last four. Years perhaps there
Speaker 2: will be a part. Five.
Speaker 1: Yeah and by the, way we should, say in terms
Speaker 1: of complete teams and, performances This alabama team this year
Speaker 1: is ahead of a lot of.
Speaker 2: These oh my.
Speaker 1: God, yeah because it is the clear most Complete alabama
Speaker 1: team of the last Dec they were, Incredible, Yeah.
Speaker 2: Brandon buzz all, right, well thank you for bearing with
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