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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Solid Verbal. I'll that for me. I'm

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Speaker 1: a man, I'm forty.

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Speaker 2: I've heard so many players say, well, I want to

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Speaker 2: be happy.

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Speaker 1: You want to be happy for Dake Edith.

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Speaker 2: State is that woo woom?

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Speaker 1: And Dan and Tye.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to the Solid Verbal, boys and girls. My

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Speaker 2: name is Ty Hildenbrand, joining me as always over there

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Speaker 2: in New York City, my beloved co host and dear friend,

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Speaker 2: the one, the only Dan Rubinstein, Sir, how are you.

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Speaker 1: A little bit tired, a little bit surprised, a little

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Speaker 1: bit worn out from from all sorts of things, but

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Speaker 1: glad to be with you, Ty. How's life with you?

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Speaker 2: Wife? Life is good. Life's a little bit somber. Because

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Speaker 2: college football, the season is now over as of today,

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Speaker 2: officially everyone's undefeated. I love that line.

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Speaker 1: Mm hmm.

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Speaker 2: But we had quite a game last night, Clemson. Congratulations

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Speaker 2: to the Clemson Tigers, forty four to sixteen, your twenty

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Speaker 2: eighteen nineteen national champions A dominating effort from Dabo Sweeney,

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Speaker 2: certainly from Brent venimals from Trevor Lawrence. We're going to

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Speaker 2: go through all of that over the next forty five

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Speaker 2: minutes or so. Clemson, of course, finishes with a mark

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Speaker 2: of fifteen to zero. H Dabo now has as many

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Speaker 2: national championships as Bobby Bowden as Joe Paterno. It was

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Speaker 2: Alabama's worst loss since nineteen ninety eight and the vaunted

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Speaker 2: some nightmares. Yeah, we've got a lot to break down. Dan.

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Speaker 1: Quite a finish here, it was, And bless me really

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Speaker 1: for saying, now, watch Clemson lay the wood after saying

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Speaker 1: that was the least likely outcome, which alter of Dan

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Speaker 1: one hundred percent of the time, am either right or wrong?

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Speaker 1: Alter of Dan, Alter of Dan, that's right. Sure, a

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Speaker 1: sting in college football picking. We both at least took

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Speaker 1: the points. But what we thought this game before does

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Speaker 1: not matter because we have the actual results. And the

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Speaker 1: actual reality is Clemson now has to be in the

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Speaker 1: conversation of best team ever just in terms of sheer,

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Speaker 1: at the top. And I could not believe my eyes

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Speaker 1: in the best possible way the degree to which Clemson

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Speaker 1: in every facet pretty much from Trevor Lawrence and the

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Speaker 1: lines and the defense and the moments that they won

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Speaker 1: on down. To do that against Alabama is you know,

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Speaker 1: the King is dead, long lived the King kind of thing.

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Speaker 2: It's funny you bring that up, because I was texting

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Speaker 2: with friends at halftime and I was keeping an eye

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Speaker 2: on the halftime line. What was the money line for

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Speaker 2: Alabama still winning the game despite being down at that

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Speaker 2: point thirty one to sixteen. We've seen this before with Alabama.

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Speaker 2: We saw that last year in the National Championship.

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Speaker 1: They strike immediately.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they find a way to make a second half adjustment,

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Speaker 2: That was not the case here. We saw a field

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Speaker 2: goal very early on, about fourteen minutes left in the

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Speaker 2: and from that point forward, Dan, they did not score.

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Speaker 2: Clemson went on an incredible run thirty unanswered points between

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Speaker 2: the game by twenty eight points, which is just amazing

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Speaker 1: No, it would not have.

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Speaker 1: There were elements of this game, even with how Clemson

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Speaker 1: there were elements of this game no matter what we

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Speaker 1: Whether it was the defensive line, which we knew was

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Speaker 2: I'm going to start in the first quarter because, as

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Speaker 2: Then Alabama gets the ball back to his very next

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Speaker 2: With that, Clemson gets the ball back a touchdown. Then

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Speaker 2: the end of the first quarter. Everyone's wondering, it's the

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Speaker 1: Taunt out?

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Speaker 2: to at least plausible at this point. But then Bama

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Speaker 2: As we mentioned earlier, from that point forward again, fourteen minutes,

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Speaker 2: minutes in eighteen seconds of the football game, Dan, what

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Speaker 2: Clemson dominated in the manner that they did and what

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Speaker 1: I mean, do you want me to spell out Trevor

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Speaker 1: First of all, the shocker in terms of where Clemson

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Speaker 1: and let's not even try to do something that we've

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Speaker 1: I don't know if it was in the Instagram live

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Speaker 1: commend that entirely, and I on that stage to say,

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Speaker 1: you know, we're not going to be fifty to fifty

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Speaker 2: You mentioned Clemson's offensive line. They created what I would

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Speaker 2: describe as a hermetically sealed pocket. Yeah, around Trevor Lawrence

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Speaker 2: for most of the game. That doesn't mean he didn't

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Speaker 2: take some shots. He took some shots for sure. By

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Speaker 2: He was under duress a lot less than too, it

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Speaker 2: was and much more accurate on the night twenty of

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Speaker 2: That is a legendary performance for any quarterback on that

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Speaker 2: big of a stage. Let alone the fact that this

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Speaker 2: Dan Trevor Lawrence is a freshman. He's nineteen years old.

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Speaker 2: Well now was was a freshman. Yeah, we're going to

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Speaker 2: be talking about him for quite some time, for at

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Speaker 2: least the next two years. He's going to have justin

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Speaker 2: on the college level, if there is any, if he

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Speaker 2: can continue this incredible run with Clemson, but on a

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Speaker 2: more basic level, just as someone who's watched Brandon Wimbush,

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Speaker 2: and I don't care if he's a freshman or a senior.

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Speaker 2: You don't see any of those weird frantic backfoot throws

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Speaker 1: No, he's He did have one really good backfoot throw,

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Speaker 1: but it was not frantic. It was with purpose, I think,

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Speaker 2: You know, you see it a lot in games like this,

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Speaker 2: where an opposing quarterback is overwhelmed by a pass rush

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Speaker 2: whatever else, floats one and they back up. They back

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Speaker 2: maybe they don't, or they float one over the middle

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Speaker 2: trying to make a play. Trevor Lawrence doesn't do that.

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Speaker 2: He doesn't have to do that. And like you said,

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Speaker 2: even when he's throwing off his back foot, it's going somewhere.

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Speaker 2: There's a purpose to it. He's making that throw because

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Speaker 2: that little aspect of his game, to me, is what

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Speaker 2: So do we learn anything now from Tua after seeing

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Speaker 2: He had forty one touchdown passes. But this this was

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Speaker 1: So I can't in good conscious say something like, well,

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Speaker 1: So it was both those interceptions, either directly or indirectly

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Speaker 2: I know it didn't all work out yeah last night,

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Speaker 2: It was the least special special teams formation for Clemson

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Speaker 1: It's been a hell of a last month for botched fakes.

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Speaker 1: which is actually pretty importantly by stadium. You know, there's

433
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Speaker 1: always the option that, oh, there's like a bunch of

434
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Speaker 1: sprinklers in the way, there's anyway. So Dabolswoeney comes out

435
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Speaker 1: and his suits. He's a pretty in shape dude, college

436
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Speaker 1: footmore college football player, he's under fifty. It's a pretty

437
00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:32,399
Speaker 1: baggy suit, really, And if he's going to be in

438
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Speaker 1: this position for these next few years with Clemson, as

439
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Speaker 1: I imagine he will be on this big national stage,

440
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Speaker 1: we got to get him a better suit.

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Speaker 2: You think he's going to pull a Rick Vaughan when

442
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Speaker 2: Rick Vaughan got famous and then started wearing suits in

443
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Speaker 2: Major League two.

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Speaker 1: I think, if he's going to have to wear a suit,

445
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Speaker 1: and I appreciate the reference to wild thing, sure because

446
00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:56,600
Speaker 1: in many ways, Taboa is our wild thing. We got

447
00:23:56,680 --> 00:23:58,840
Speaker 1: to get a little bit slimmer of fit going on.

448
00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:02,920
Speaker 1: There was there was some some Tracy McGrady s qualities.

449
00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:06,520
Speaker 1: Oh no to it fit, It fit fine. Tracy mcgrady's

450
00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:08,639
Speaker 1: did not fit, but he could he could stand to

451
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Speaker 1: go to Endochino dot Com for sure.

452
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Speaker 2: How do you feel about this seemingly new trend to

453
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Speaker 2: wear the snow white suit like Morgan Freeman and Bruce Almighty.

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Speaker 1: Well, wasn't he playing god?

455
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Speaker 2: He was playing God, but he was wearing the snow

456
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Speaker 2: white suit.

457
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Speaker 1: So it's a full white suit.

458
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Speaker 2: Yeah. I think Bradley Cooper tried to pull that off

459
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Speaker 2: at the Golden Globes. I've seen a couple of other

460
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Speaker 2: athletes trying to pull that off. You like that, would

461
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Speaker 2: you go snow white?

462
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Speaker 1: When I hear Morgan Freeman and then Bradley Cooper? My

463
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Speaker 1: next name is ty Hildenbrand. Every time, it's right every time,

464
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Speaker 1: So my answer is yes, if and when, like you

465
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Speaker 1: renew your vows, That's what I expected, snow.

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Speaker 2: White suit and you got it Indochino dot com. He's

467
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Speaker 2: a promo code, solid check out, get your suit? All right?

468
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Speaker 2: Where do we want to go next?

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Speaker 1: There?

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Speaker 2: There's a whole lot to cover here. We talked at

471
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Speaker 2: nauseum about what Trevor Lawrence did, what to a tongue

472
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Speaker 2: of iloa had to face in this National championship and

473
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Speaker 2: certainly how Clemson won in the trenches. With any National

474
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Speaker 2: championship game though, and certainly now this this apparatus that

475
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Speaker 2: ESPN has constructed around it, it's a whole experience. When

476
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Speaker 2: you're sitting at home on your couch watching, you've got

477
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Speaker 2: multiple options. So you've got the main broadcast feed, which

478
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Speaker 2: was Chris Fowler, Kirk kurb Street. Yep, we had the

479
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Speaker 2: ESPN two.

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Speaker 1: Feel it was on the field. It was Bernaldi and

481
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Speaker 1: Maria Taylor.

482
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Speaker 2: Maria Taylor and Tom Arnaldi were on the field. Yep,

483
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Speaker 2: did a great job. We had the ESPN two feed,

484
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Speaker 2: which it wasn't the Homer cast as I think we've

485
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Speaker 2: seen before with our friend Adam Ameen. But Adam was

486
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Speaker 2: down on the field alongside Steve Levy. I think they

487
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Speaker 2: had some personalities that they were able to rotate in

488
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Speaker 2: and out. But I caught a big chunk of Jonathan Vilma,

489
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Speaker 2: who did a great job on the field alongside Steve Levy,

490
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Speaker 2: as well as Gene Chiswick, who was doing his part

491
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Speaker 2: to call out some plays alongside Adam Aman earlier in the.

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Speaker 1: Game, alongside Burns. What are we talking?

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Speaker 2: You couldn't see the side Burns because he had he

494
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Speaker 2: had the headset on. Oh and I was desperate for

495
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Speaker 2: him to maybe just scratch his ear or something to

496
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Speaker 2: remove the earphone to see if he had grown any sideburns.

497
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Speaker 2: I'm going to assume that he can't because he never

498
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Speaker 2: has had them. But it really would have been the

499
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Speaker 2: upset of the night if he removed them and we

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Speaker 2: saw some mutton chops there, that.

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Speaker 1: Would have been wonderful. Yeah. I watched a little bit

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Speaker 1: of that on my iPad as I was out. Someday

503
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Speaker 1: I'll tell the story unexpectedly, but but yeah, I watched

504
00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:27,760
Speaker 1: the first half of my iPad and I was going

505
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Speaker 1: through a couple of the different the different feeds definitely interesting.

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Speaker 1: I didn't watch the who is it Greg McElroy and

507
00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:38,359
Speaker 1: who does the host? Show with somebody on the SEC network.

508
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Speaker 1: I did not watch that feed, did not watch the

509
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Speaker 1: Monday night football feed, did not watch the skycam or

510
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Speaker 1: Blimp feed. Whatever they had going on, I appreciate it.

511
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Speaker 1: I think there's a command center feed.

512
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Speaker 2: Yeah, so the commit of a lot of different angles,

513
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Speaker 2: a lot of people on the Instagram chat when we

514
00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:54,600
Speaker 2: were doing our live thing, we're talking up the command

515
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Speaker 2: center feed and I watched it. So what they had

516
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Speaker 2: is in the in the top right corner, they had

517
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Speaker 2: the game feed, if you were watching regular ESPN. I

518
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Speaker 2: think in the top left corner they had the skycam

519
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:10,000
Speaker 2: to the wirecam where you could get that on field view,

520
00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:13,600
Speaker 2: and then in the middle they had statistics running statistics,

521
00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:17,080
Speaker 2: so after each play, that window would update to show

522
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Speaker 2: you the latest statistics. I tried to watch it, and

523
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Speaker 2: it was sensory overload for me.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a lot.

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Speaker 2: I couldn't focus on one, which is weird because it's

526
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Speaker 2: not all that different from when I'm used to watching

527
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Speaker 2: multiple games on a Saturday, But just to have it

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Speaker 2: all on one screen.

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Speaker 1: To me, we have a bunch of text and numbers.

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Speaker 1: You've ever been in a TV truck for like any

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Speaker 1: sporting events I have?

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Speaker 2: Actually, there's a lot going on, A lot going on

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Speaker 2: in those.

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Speaker 1: I went and did a documentary with old company I

535
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Speaker 1: worked for, and we did a little documentary feature on

536
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Speaker 1: the Fox Sports a Team NFL truck which is three trucks,

537
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Speaker 1: and I was in the booth in the truck for that.

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Speaker 1: That's a lot going You can't imagine what's going on

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Speaker 1: with that. So yeah, Command Centers Rough. I was just

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Speaker 1: happy because we didn't have the coaches, the coaches whatever

541
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Speaker 1: feed film room to watch the main feed with Falor

542
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Speaker 1: and herb Street and the two reporters down on the field.

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Speaker 1: I will say this as it relates to the broadcast

544
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Speaker 1: tie that was as ideal an outcome if it was

545
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Speaker 1: going to be a comfortable win as possible, because you

546
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Speaker 1: had Bama down at the half, but everybody thinking, including you,

547
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Speaker 1: checking the money line, thinking it's only a matter of time.

548
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Speaker 1: I'm going to keep watching. If it were thirty one

549
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Speaker 1: sixteen Alabama, you're thinking this is crock potting. They're trying

550
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Speaker 1: this one forty to twenty one. It's never even going

551
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Speaker 1: to feel that close. But I don't know when it was.

552
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Speaker 1: I mean I had tweeted out at a certain point

553
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Speaker 1: that this one's far from over. In the middle of

554
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Speaker 1: the third quarter, it was over for.

555
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Speaker 2: Sure, Dan, there was an element of disbelief that kept

556
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Speaker 2: a lot of people awake to watch that full game.

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Speaker 1: Yes, and so in terms of ratings, in terms of

558
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Speaker 1: interest and stuff, it's as ideal a comfortable win on

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Speaker 1: a game, in a game like that, in a spot

560
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:09,200
Speaker 1: like this, as probably ESPN could have hoped for. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: I guess if you are in Bristol, good for you. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So the only two final points here that I'll add

563
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Speaker 2: about the broadcast. Yeah, I did catch a little bit

564
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Speaker 2: of the Monday Night Football Feed and I switched it off.

565
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Speaker 2: Not because I was repulsed by Jason Witten or anything, though, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I mean there were just a lot of other options

567
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Speaker 2: that I found a little bit more attractive. I had

568
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Speaker 2: friends watch the Monday Night Football Feed and they texted

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Speaker 2: me and they said that booger McFarland was killing it.

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Speaker 2: He did a great job. Oh good, So you know

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Speaker 2: I didn't. I want to give that it's due. It

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Speaker 2: sounds like that actually went off pretty well. Please write

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Speaker 2: in let me know what you think. I also want

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Speaker 2: to give a shout out to our friend Adam Aman. Now.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure people will hear this and think that we're

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Speaker 2: terribly biased, and to some degree we are.

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Speaker 1: But who doesn't like Adam a meme that says more

578
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Speaker 1: about them than us. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I can't emphasize this enough. To call a game to

580
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Speaker 2: do play by play is extraordinary difficult. Yeah, way harder

581
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Speaker 2: than the DRIVELL we put out there twice. It is

582
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Speaker 2: infinitely more difficult. Good use of DRIVELL for him to

583
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Speaker 2: be able to do that as well as he did.

584
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:17,280
Speaker 2: From the sideline walking around having to avoid footballs being

585
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Speaker 2: thrown at him and people in the way. You could

586
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Speaker 2: see he was carrying his sheet down there. For the

587
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Speaker 2: most part, he was the one commentating that field pass

588
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:29,320
Speaker 2: look that we got on ESPN two, and I just

589
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Speaker 2: thought he did a hell of a job. So I

590
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Speaker 2: don't know if Adam's listening, but good job to use, sir,

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Speaker 2: A good job all college football season long. You were

592
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Speaker 2: you were really a star on that ESPN two field pass.

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Speaker 1: Did you see the tweet from somebody This is definitely

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Speaker 1: not from us. I think it was ahead of an

595
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Speaker 1: NFL playoff game when it was announced that Booger was

596
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Speaker 1: not going to be in the boogermobile. Boogermobile along the

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Speaker 1: sideline which is certainly raised up so he can get

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Speaker 1: a better view, that he was not going to be

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Speaker 1: in the boogermobile, but he was going to be in

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Speaker 1: the booth, and somebody had tweeted out, man, just let

601
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Speaker 1: Booger just attach him to the wirecam and let him

602
00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:08,680
Speaker 1: just swing behind plays. Have the players and punters and

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00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:12,160
Speaker 1: stuff have to avoid him. That's that's a that's a

604
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Speaker 1: tough ask because of his size. A former lineman Adam

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00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:20,160
Speaker 1: Amine is perfectly sized to do the wirecam attachment. So

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Speaker 1: there's that. Let's talk about Alabama's defense for a moment. Yeah,

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00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:29,440
Speaker 1: let's Alabama's defense early on in the season kind of maligned. They're,

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Speaker 1: what replacing five starters in the secondary from last year

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Speaker 1: and the way that they play a lot of times

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Speaker 1: they are there are five guys back there and that

611
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:38,000
Speaker 1: that sort of bass nickel that they are known to run.

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00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:42,160
Speaker 1: They lose Terrell Lewis before the season, arguably their best

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Speaker 1: pass rusher, Christian Miller obviously gets hurt against against Oklahoma,

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Speaker 1: who then becomes their best pass rusher without Terrell Lewis,

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Speaker 1: and still Alabama is in a place where they finish

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Speaker 1: the season either number one or number two defensively in

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Speaker 1: terms of whatever metric you care about, and Clemson just

618
00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:08,720
Speaker 1: doesn't care. They just make every play. They're not necessarily

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Speaker 1: always going out a specific player. Even though it was

620
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:15,160
Speaker 1: he was Justin Ross who ragdall?

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Speaker 2: Was it?

622
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Speaker 1: Saveon Smith on the long touchdown, then got hurt. I

623
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Speaker 1: don't know if he rolled an ankle on that play.

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00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:25,040
Speaker 1: And then obviously Justin Ross you know, goes to the

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Speaker 1: end zone. But it was whether it was you know,

626
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Speaker 1: Mac Wilson maybe overrunning a player two or the defensive

627
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Speaker 1: line just not being able to collapse the pocket with

628
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Speaker 1: any sort of consistency. For what Clemson did against this

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Speaker 1: you know, watching what Clemson did against this Alabama defense,

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Speaker 1: it wasn't we see a weakness here that that's what

631
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Speaker 1: we're going to focus on. It's we're going to play

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Speaker 1: our game and force them to consistently beat us. And

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Speaker 1: that's not something that a lot of teams have done

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Speaker 1: against the best of Alabama defenses. And Clemson you can

635
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Speaker 1: argue for sure a couple of years ago when Deshaun

636
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Speaker 1: Watson wins the National championship, totally fearless, his pants are ripping,

637
00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:08,600
Speaker 1: he's being helicoptered, whatever.

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00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:10,960
Speaker 2: But it was.

639
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:15,440
Speaker 1: To give up. I mean what it was thirty seven

640
00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:18,000
Speaker 1: points they ultimately gave up because of the pick six.

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Speaker 1: Just it's just Buster Douglas, I mean, except Clemson is

642
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:25,480
Speaker 1: not that kind of underdog.

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Speaker 2: Let's take a look at what Alabama did defensively down

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Speaker 2: the stretch for the most part. So we're not too

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Speaker 2: keen on the total yards stat sure, because that can

646
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Speaker 2: be a bit deceiving, But in terms of yards per play,

647
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Speaker 2: let's look at Alabama's last three games starting first weekend

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Speaker 2: of December, then the bowl game playoff semi final in

649
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:53,160
Speaker 2: the Orange Bowl against Oklahoma and Clemson. Those are the

650
00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:56,400
Speaker 2: three best teams they played all year. LSU might try

651
00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 2: to argue to the contrary, but I would argue that Georgia, Oklahoma,

652
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:05,280
Speaker 2: Clemson are a cut above. Against Georgia five point seventy

653
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:10,040
Speaker 2: five yards per play, against Oklahoma six point eighty three

654
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:16,160
Speaker 2: yards per play, against Clemson seven point six' five yards per.

655
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:19,799
Speaker 2: Play it seemed to get worse as they played better

656
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:24,360
Speaker 2: teams down the. Stretch, certainly not a knock against That alabama.

657
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:27,520
Speaker 2: DEFENSE i would imagine that would happen to most defenses

658
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:29,880
Speaker 2: when you play against better. Offenses, sure but it does

659
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:33,600
Speaker 2: stand to reason that against better teams this defense started

660
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:34,640
Speaker 2: to show a little bit more of its.

661
00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:37,600
Speaker 1: FLAWS i think you can even drill down into a

662
00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:40,240
Speaker 1: more detailed. Level but it's ALSO i think a bigger

663
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:42,920
Speaker 1: picture thing when you look at And alabama has been

664
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:47,080
Speaker 1: the standard defensively since what two thousand and, nine twenty,

665
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:51,239
Speaker 1: ten something like, that And clemson since twenty fifteen when

666
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:53,600
Speaker 1: they really started to build up that. Depth when you

667
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:57,359
Speaker 1: look at the teams to succeed or beat those Those

668
00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:00,680
Speaker 1: alabama teams with these Recent clemson teams think there is something.

669
00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:03,560
Speaker 1: Bigger and first of, all you have to have a

670
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:06,239
Speaker 1: quarterback who is. Fearless if if you look at the

671
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:09,200
Speaker 1: guys who have gotten to like ten plus yards per

672
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:14,200
Speaker 1: attempt in the, pocket wherever it's you, Know Johnny, manziel

673
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:17,960
Speaker 1: It's Chad, kelly It's Bo, Wallace Steven garcia early on

674
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:21,040
Speaker 1: in twenty. Ten they have these big. Receivers we've talked

675
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:23,360
Speaker 1: about this ad. Nauseum you, know whether it was you,

676
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 1: Know Evan ingrin up the, Middle Lakwan, Treadwell, Alshon, jeffrey you,

677
00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:30,960
Speaker 1: Know Zach mettenberger had success against them in twenty. Thirteen

678
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:33,960
Speaker 1: you have like the standout you, know all timers In

679
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:37,800
Speaker 1: Johnny manziel And Cam. Newton to me that at this

680
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:41,719
Speaker 1: point says if you were a program that has and

681
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:46,600
Speaker 1: obviously Against clemson it was weirdly Enough Nate peterman who

682
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:48,600
Speaker 1: didn't get to ten yards per, attempt BUT i think

683
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 1: he had five touchdowns and obviously Tested clemson deep and.

684
00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:59,279
Speaker 1: Succeeded it is not team saying we're going to control

685
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:01,480
Speaker 1: the game on the, ground we're going to play smash mouth.

686
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 1: Football there's few and far between. INSTANCES i Know Trey

687
00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:07,440
Speaker 1: mason had a really good game Against alabama one, year

688
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:11,600
Speaker 1: but that needed to be coupled with the most miraculous

689
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:15,359
Speaker 1: modern play that we've seen in the kick. Six James

690
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:19,880
Speaker 1: connor had a pretty decent game Against. Clemson but a

691
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:21,920
Speaker 1: Thing i'm starting to take, AWAY i don't think this is,

692
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:25,719
Speaker 1: absolute but Something i'm pretty strongly leaning. Towards if you

693
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:28,600
Speaker 1: hire a, coach if you're a team that has designs

694
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:32,000
Speaker 1: on competing, nationally you, know which means winning A power five,

695
00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:34,960
Speaker 1: conference which means being competitive in a playoff. GAME i,

696
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:40,640
Speaker 1: Apologized Hi Notre dame obviously was the better defense Against

697
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:44,400
Speaker 1: clemson in the. Playoff but if you have designs of

698
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:48,040
Speaker 1: that coming in and saying we are going to be

699
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:51,040
Speaker 1: a smash mouth, Team we're going to control the game

700
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:53,399
Speaker 1: on the, Ground we're going to be a power team

701
00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:57,600
Speaker 1: that is telling the world we have a, ceiling and

702
00:36:57,719 --> 00:37:00,279
Speaker 1: that ceiling is we don't want to compete with the

703
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:02,759
Speaker 1: best of the best of the. Best AND i say

704
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:05,520
Speaker 1: that as somebody who roots for a team with a

705
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:08,960
Speaker 1: coach like, that with designs of that with recruiting on that,

706
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:13,600
Speaker 1: level and we saw that With clemson strategy Against alabama last.

707
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:16,680
Speaker 1: Night we've seen that As alabama has evolved to that,

708
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:18,719
Speaker 1: Point they're still going to run the, ball but in

709
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:22,360
Speaker 1: those biggest, games that ball that is going To tua

710
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:25,200
Speaker 1: and is going to, Whoever Calvin, Ridley Jerry, judy.

711
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:29,320
Speaker 2: WHOEVER i think that's true to an. Extent the caveat

712
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:33,839
Speaker 2: here Is clemson In. Alabama you can compete with most

713
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:36,120
Speaker 2: of the other teams in college football if you've got

714
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:39,200
Speaker 2: a really strong, identity if you've got the right personnel

715
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 2: to execute, properly, right, well.

716
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:44,320
Speaker 1: That's not everything goes through. Them so you are competing

717
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:49,279
Speaker 1: regionally unless you have a quarterback who can dramatically alter

718
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:55,560
Speaker 1: a game going downfield with big targets and not sort

719
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:59,640
Speaker 1: of trying to adhere to an older. Ethos we've seen

720
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:03,400
Speaker 1: it With, Michigan we've seen it with, WHOEVER Usc, Stanford

721
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:06,600
Speaker 1: we've seen it across college. Football now we've seen it With,

722
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:10,120
Speaker 1: washington you, know really struggling in the playoff Against. Alabama

723
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:12,279
Speaker 1: we see a year in and year, Out Michigan, state

724
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:17,520
Speaker 1: wisconslyof right that you can win ten games with that

725
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:20,560
Speaker 1: sort of identity and That i'm not going to tell

726
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:23,680
Speaker 1: you not. To and if you're a program that really

727
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:26,319
Speaker 1: realistically is not going to have that. Chance if you're

728
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:31,120
Speaker 1: cal if You're, minnesota if you are, Whoever. Baylor this

729
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:32,960
Speaker 1: is not to look down on any of these, programs

730
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:36,400
Speaker 1: but they're just not ever going to most likely compete

731
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:40,080
Speaker 1: on this. Level do, whatever do whatever it needs to

732
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:42,719
Speaker 1: win a bunch of, games beat, rivals get to eight nine,

733
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:47,040
Speaker 1: wins that's considered a. Success but if this, goal if

734
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:50,680
Speaker 1: you're spending, money if you're hiring, coaches if you're recruiting

735
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:53,440
Speaker 1: on the level that says we want to win eleven

736
00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:57,680
Speaker 1: games and play IN nfl stadiums In, january Late, December

737
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:01,359
Speaker 1: i'm not saying you have to go air. Raid i'm

738
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:04,719
Speaker 1: saying you have to realize what football is in twenty,

739
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:10,040
Speaker 1: eighteen twenty, nineteen twenty, twenty and you know jumbo packages

740
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:13,359
Speaker 1: all the, Time that ain't. It AND i think that's

741
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 1: what we have gotten to with the evolution Of, alabama

742
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:20,879
Speaker 1: with what we saw From, clemson and WHAT i think

743
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:23,239
Speaker 1: is go it's going to take AND i believe it

744
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 1: will happen With Ohio state With Ryan day running the.

745
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:27,520
Speaker 1: SHOW i don't think they're going to be nearly as stubborn.

746
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:30,680
Speaker 1: OFFENSIVELY i think there is going to have to be

747
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:34,040
Speaker 1: a come To jesus or whoever your chosen deity is

748
00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:37,359
Speaker 1: moment For, michigan because those are the teams that could

749
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:41,600
Speaker 1: potentially recruit on that level and put together defenses on

750
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:44,399
Speaker 1: a huge level and just need to figure out how

751
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:47,280
Speaker 1: they can get the ball to speed in an open

752
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:49,719
Speaker 1: area well as often as a big part of, that,

753
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 1: though is, depth and those are the teams that can

754
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:55,239
Speaker 1: build that that. State, whoever the teams that can build

755
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:59,279
Speaker 1: that depth are the ones that are best suited to

756
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:02,600
Speaker 1: run more the System i'll call it that you're describing

757
00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:06,840
Speaker 1: one that's not truly a system defined by, identity but

758
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:10,080
Speaker 1: one defined by, depth one defined by putting your personnel

759
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:13,080
Speaker 1: in the best position to, succeed much the way we

760
00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:16,840
Speaker 1: saw With, dabosweeney like you described, earlier he wasn't so

761
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:19,200
Speaker 1: much Giving travis et and the ball because he had.

762
00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:21,759
Speaker 2: To he was doing so when it made. Sense, sure

763
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:25,120
Speaker 2: maybe that's more of the model moving forward now as

764
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:27,919
Speaker 2: we go against these teams that have just so much

765
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:30,000
Speaker 2: depth that they can beat you a variety of different.

766
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:32,280
Speaker 2: WAYS i don't. Know it's a tall mountain to climb

767
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:35,040
Speaker 2: if you're on the outside looking, in if you're a

768
00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:37,480
Speaker 2: team like A Notre dame or a team even like

769
00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:40,040
Speaker 2: In oklahoma that's got a lot of talent that got

770
00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:42,799
Speaker 2: to the, playoff that did their best against two, buzzsaws

771
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:46,360
Speaker 2: two respective buzz saws In alabama And. Clemson there is

772
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:49,120
Speaker 2: still a bit of a gap, though between where those

773
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:51,320
Speaker 2: teams are at and WHERE i think they need to

774
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:52,440
Speaker 2: get to if they truly want to.

775
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:55,440
Speaker 1: Compete by the, WAY i don't Think oklahoma stylistically is

776
00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:58,040
Speaker 1: off from WHAT i just. Described they were a matter of,

777
00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:01,440
Speaker 1: DEFENSE i Think Notre dame would stand to build up

778
00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:03,920
Speaker 1: the depth of speed and passing.

779
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:06,799
Speaker 2: AGGRESSION i think THAT'S i think that's. FAIR i think that's.

780
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:10,000
Speaker 2: Fair there is a depth on defense that we see

781
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:13,080
Speaker 2: With alabama And clemson that does not exist on The oklahoma,

782
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:15,640
Speaker 2: side and perhaps that will get better now they've Hired

783
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:18,520
Speaker 2: alex grinch away From Ohio. State we'll see what he's

784
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:18,840
Speaker 2: able to.

785
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:22,000
Speaker 1: Do, annoyment BUT i Saw Pete quitkowski From washington was

786
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:25,879
Speaker 1: rumored For, yeah codc, linebackers, murderers Bro.

787
00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:29,640
Speaker 2: As we look forward, now into twenty. Nineteen throughout the

788
00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:31,560
Speaker 2: course of this, week over the span of the next

789
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:33,960
Speaker 2: couple of, weeks you're going to start seeing these way too.

790
00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:36,200
Speaker 2: Early top twenty. Five we're not going to break down

791
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:39,520
Speaker 2: the top, ten but with these two teams in, Mind,

792
00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:43,680
Speaker 2: dan it's going to be one two again next, year,

793
00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:45,560
Speaker 2: two isn't? IT i?

794
00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:48,960
Speaker 1: IMAGINE i, Mean clemson loses so much along the lines

795
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:51,280
Speaker 1: on both sides of the, ball not that they haven't recruited,

796
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:53,080
Speaker 1: there not that they haven't worked in you, know the

797
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:56,520
Speaker 1: twos to get a ton of, snaps but it's hard

798
00:41:56,600 --> 00:41:59,840
Speaker 1: to imagine with the offensive skill and the way That

799
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:04,480
Speaker 1: clemson has recruited and the offensive skill even with, SO

800
00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:07,120
Speaker 1: i Think alabama loses a lot upfront to do both

801
00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:10,600
Speaker 1: sides the ball as. WELL i can't imagine there is

802
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:12,880
Speaker 1: a strong. CASE i, mean who are the other cases.

803
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:15,000
Speaker 1: For we don't know What oklahoma is going to look

804
00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:18,920
Speaker 1: like personnel wise on offense or. Defensively Notre Dame, georgia,

805
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:21,600
Speaker 1: Look Notre dame loses a lot on, defense, Right, yeah,

806
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:24,760
Speaker 1: Yeah Georgia georgia should be in a terrific. Position.

807
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:27,759
Speaker 2: Yeah Ohio, state you Through Ohio state in. There although

808
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:29,239
Speaker 2: there's going to be some turnover.

809
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:31,400
Speaker 1: At the, Top Dwayne haskins Declared Dwayne.

810
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:33,440
Speaker 2: Haskins, Declaring Ryan day taking. Over, sure.

811
00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:39,960
Speaker 1: There is not clear examples of you, know there's nobody

812
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:42,279
Speaker 1: in The pac twelve right. NOW i, Mean washington's still

813
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:45,360
Speaker 1: probably considered the, favorite But oregon returns Justin Herbert washington

814
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:51,080
Speaker 1: loses a ton on, defense and then you, Know michigan

815
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:54,239
Speaker 1: appears to have a ceiling even Though Shaye patterson is.

816
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:56,520
Speaker 1: Back they lose, obviously we've seen what they've lost on

817
00:42:56,560 --> 00:43:00,279
Speaker 1: the defensive side of the. Ball and there is you,

818
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:02,880
Speaker 1: Know florida And Florida. State you, know we expect. Improvements

819
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:06,360
Speaker 1: florida obviously finished the season in impressive. Fashion but to,

820
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:08,840
Speaker 1: me they right, now the way their offense operates is

821
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:11,360
Speaker 1: still having a little bit of The Battering graham mentality

822
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:14,000
Speaker 1: with the, quarterback and That Dan mullen offense really. Good

823
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:17,279
Speaker 1: might have a, ceiling might have a ceiling in twenty

824
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:20,400
Speaker 1: nineteen if you are not able To If Felipe franks

825
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:23,800
Speaker 1: is the one counted on to win huge games with

826
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:27,520
Speaker 1: his arm right, now with the evidence we, have feels

827
00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:31,520
Speaker 1: like a. Ceiling, yeah all, Right, Dan well there you.

828
00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:35,239
Speaker 2: Go forty four to sixteen is your final score At

829
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:39,480
Speaker 2: clemson again finishes the year fifteen to oh one of

830
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:42,440
Speaker 2: the best teams in the history of college, football undoubtedly

831
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:46,800
Speaker 2: the way that they Dismantled, Alabama congratulations to. Them congratulations

832
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:51,840
Speaker 2: To alabama on an incredible. Season congratulations to all the

833
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:54,239
Speaker 2: teams that made the, playoffs all the teams that won bowl,

834
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:59,600
Speaker 2: games and more, Specifically, dan congratulations TO rvor. Bowlers let's

835
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:04,359
Speaker 2: give out of applause to the listeners this dumb show

836
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:07,240
Speaker 2: who hung with us all throughout the college football, season

837
00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:12,640
Speaker 2: enjoyed our stupid banter and our appreciation for college. Football

838
00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:15,279
Speaker 2: it's been a hell of a ride. Here as we

839
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:19,959
Speaker 2: move into our off, season, Now, dan can you wet

840
00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:22,879
Speaker 2: the appetite of some new verballers who might be listening

841
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:25,960
Speaker 2: for the first. Time maybe they started The instagram live

842
00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:28,719
Speaker 2: feed and decided to tune into the. Show maybe they

843
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:31,160
Speaker 2: just picked us up midstream here throughout the course of

844
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:34,440
Speaker 2: the twenty eighteen. Season what can folks expect now as

845
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:37,279
Speaker 2: we switch up to once a week Every wednesday is

846
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:39,640
Speaker 2: where we're going to start dropping shows from this point

847
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:41,800
Speaker 2: until the start of the new. Season what kind of

848
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:43,200
Speaker 2: stuff are we going to be putting out.

849
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:45,160
Speaker 1: There so we'll be doing MORE q And a's will

850
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:47,600
Speaker 1: be doing what we call a scheme theme that generally

851
00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:51,800
Speaker 1: happens in the, spring where we talk to specific types

852
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:56,440
Speaker 1: of nerdy experts and coaches about elements of college football

853
00:44:56,520 --> 00:45:00,480
Speaker 1: strategy that have evolved that are new and just, like,

854
00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:03,560
Speaker 1: okay what is it THAT tcu does on defense to COMBAT?

855
00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:06,439
Speaker 1: Rpo something like. That we talked last year With CHRIS.

856
00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:10,320
Speaker 1: B brown Aka Chrispy brown frisbe about communication and signaling

857
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:16,320
Speaker 1: and language verbiage involved with with getting plays off and executing.

858
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:20,000
Speaker 1: Whatever and so we do have a time of year

859
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:21,759
Speaker 1: where we nerd out like. That we will talk to

860
00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:25,759
Speaker 1: coaches sometimes new, coaches and we just do random like

861
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:27,840
Speaker 1: we In. August we have a thing we, do The

862
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:32,320
Speaker 1: Fantasy Things, draft where we draft narratives instead of players

863
00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:34,920
Speaker 1: because fantasy college for there were something that has ever

864
00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:35,680
Speaker 1: really there.

865
00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:37,560
Speaker 2: Were some narratives that came out of this one last, Night,

866
00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:40,160
Speaker 2: yes there. Were i'm very excited about twenty nineteen and

867
00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:41,120
Speaker 2: what this has in store for.

868
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:45,040
Speaker 1: Us, yeah we keep going and so we will you,

869
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:49,480
Speaker 1: know shine spotlights on specific teams or conferences or you,

870
00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:53,000
Speaker 1: know storylines to be. Followed you, know we have what

871
00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:56,359
Speaker 1: we have another signing day to discuss in a few.

872
00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:59,759
Speaker 1: Weeks we, have you, know probably the coaching carousel will

873
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:05,200
Speaker 1: spend a couple more, times you, know WITH nfl perhaps hiring.

874
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:07,640
Speaker 1: COACHES i, Know Matt ruhle and The jets are hot

875
00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:10,240
Speaker 1: and heavy at the time we're recording, this And Cliff

876
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:13,080
Speaker 1: kingsbury might be a head coach or an offensive. Coordinator

877
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:15,319
Speaker 1: so we Will we'll try to dig deep with new

878
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:20,080
Speaker 1: coaches and their fits at their new, places and just

879
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:24,799
Speaker 1: generally try to, unearth turn over every rock and nerd

880
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:28,719
Speaker 1: out over what college football has to offer between now

881
00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:32,399
Speaker 1: and when do we start previewing Late july Late. July,

882
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:36,880
Speaker 1: yeah we're not going. Anywhere at the very, least we

883
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:40,120
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887
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889
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Speaker 1: Do we'll surprise you. Sometimes but the best way to

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910
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911
00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:00,400
Speaker 2: we stop. Podcasting we're going to be with you all

912
00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:04,320
Speaker 2: throughout the dol drums that are the college football, offseason.

913
00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:06,279
Speaker 1: Ty where do you put this is going to, be

914
00:48:06,680 --> 00:48:09,400
Speaker 1: this is our engaging into the show the. CLIFFS i

915
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:12,879
Speaker 1: don't have my answer yet and maybe you. Won't where

916
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:16,800
Speaker 1: do you? Put just in solid verbal? History so since

917
00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:19,319
Speaker 1: the two thousand and eight, SEASON i want to, say,

918
00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:23,479
Speaker 1: sure where does This clemson team fall of the last

919
00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:25,680
Speaker 1: ten national? Champions WHO i have in front of me

920
00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:32,319
Speaker 1: in terms of just pure, dominance in terms of how

921
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:35,600
Speaker 1: impressed you? Are you, know it's not to, say, okay

922
00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:37,560
Speaker 1: if this team played the two thousand and Eight florida

923
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:40,040
Speaker 1: team on a Neutral, no, no, No let's just tell

924
00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:44,680
Speaker 1: me where who is definitively ahead of This clemson. Team

925
00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:47,960
Speaker 1: last Year's alabama, Team so that's too a coming in

926
00:48:48,239 --> 00:48:53,640
Speaker 1: at the end in, relief really good Team, Clemson Deshaun.

927
00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:57,200
Speaker 1: Watson so that's two years. Ago so it's a lot of.

928
00:48:57,280 --> 00:48:59,120
Speaker 1: It there's a lot of overlap in the way these

929
00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:03,280
Speaker 1: two teams have played and our built personnel. Wise twenty Fifteen,

930
00:49:03,560 --> 00:49:06,000
Speaker 1: alabama which was that Big Derrick henry.

931
00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:06,959
Speaker 2: Year it Was Dereck henry.

932
00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:09,759
Speaker 1: Year sure that was an impressive, year but that was

933
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:11,799
Speaker 1: that Was Jake, coker who was, Fine it Was Lane,

934
00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:17,120
Speaker 1: Kiffin Derek Derek, Coker Jake, Coker Dereck. HENRY i want

935
00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:21,759
Speaker 1: to say who is their leading receiver that? Year, Oh

936
00:49:21,880 --> 00:49:27,120
Speaker 1: Calvin Ridley, ridley That Ohio State Zeke, Elliott Cardelle jones

937
00:49:27,160 --> 00:49:30,640
Speaker 1: Beating oregon In. TEXAS i was. There that was a

938
00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:33,600
Speaker 1: really good. Effect that Was Darren lee on the defensive

939
00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:35,360
Speaker 1: side of the. BALL a lot of talent on That

940
00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:38,800
Speaker 1: Ohio state. Team that what they lose to is that

941
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:40,440
Speaker 1: the year they lost To Virginia tech to start the

942
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:43,480
Speaker 1: season in The National. Championship, yep you have The Jamis

943
00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:46,600
Speaker 1: redschirt freshman Year Florida, state which basically everybody on That

944
00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:50,080
Speaker 1: Florida state team went to THE. Nfl yeah that one, Twelve,

945
00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:55,160
Speaker 1: yeah twenty Twelve, bama which WAS i think The Johnny

946
00:49:55,239 --> 00:49:59,359
Speaker 1: manzell lost they. Lose THAT'S aj, McCarron Eddie. Lacy that's

947
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:02,560
Speaker 1: they beat notre name in The National. Championship. Wow twenty

948
00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:05,279
Speaker 1: eleven is WHAT i think is considered to be the

949
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:09,160
Speaker 1: all Time alabama. Defense, right that's where they have EVERYONE

950
00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:13,239
Speaker 1: rg three wins The. Heisman That's Trent richardson And Eddie.

951
00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:17,680
Speaker 1: LACY A j mccheron is is throwing the passes but

952
00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:20,920
Speaker 1: still that defense is. Stupid twenty Ten Cam Newton auburn

953
00:50:21,080 --> 00:50:23,400
Speaker 1: not a great, defense but an all timer at. Quarterback

954
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:27,520
Speaker 1: two thousand and Nine alabama is the one the team

955
00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:30,440
Speaker 1: that Beat texas in The National, championship and that IS

956
00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:35,000
Speaker 1: i think a McElroy, team Mark Ingram Trent richardson and

957
00:50:35,120 --> 00:50:38,640
Speaker 1: another you, know just stupid Defense Hovey, Arenas orlando. McClain

958
00:50:38,680 --> 00:50:42,160
Speaker 1: i'm just naming, players just Naming and then finally that

959
00:50:42,239 --> 00:50:44,960
Speaker 1: two thousand and Eight, Florida florida that was that Was

960
00:50:45,040 --> 00:50:48,480
Speaker 1: tebow's as a, starter not as like The Chris leak

961
00:50:48,600 --> 00:50:52,920
Speaker 1: Relief Chris, Rainey Percy, Harvin Manual. Moody, Wow i've not

962
00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:56,080
Speaker 1: said that name in a long long, time but you,

963
00:50:56,200 --> 00:51:00,600
Speaker 1: know just a ridiculous, defense all sorts of Speed URBAN. Myerso,

964
00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:03,680
Speaker 1: see you're asking Me clemson's fit in that.

965
00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:07,840
Speaker 2: Roster, well we've had the pleasure throughout the course of

966
00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:11,239
Speaker 2: this run to look at some great college. Quarterbacks and,

967
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:14,320
Speaker 2: again college doesn't always translate to THE. Nfl it didn't For,

968
00:51:14,440 --> 00:51:17,560
Speaker 2: tebow But tebow was a transcendent player on the college

969
00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:21,680
Speaker 2: stage and fit that system, really really. Well we've seen

970
00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:25,640
Speaker 2: the likes Of Cam, Newton we've seen the likes Of Jameis.

971
00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:28,920
Speaker 2: Winston i'm having a hard, time and perhaps it's just

972
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:32,880
Speaker 2: because this game happened last, night finding other teams on

973
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:37,360
Speaker 2: this list that felt as dominating both on defense and

974
00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:40,279
Speaker 2: offense the way we saw against another really good, team

975
00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:41,200
Speaker 2: like we, see.

976
00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:42,719
Speaker 1: It's the complete element Of.

977
00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:45,040
Speaker 2: Clemson that's not to say some of these other teams

978
00:51:45,120 --> 00:51:47,120
Speaker 2: couldn't go toe to toe with This clemson. Team, sure

979
00:51:47,239 --> 00:51:49,279
Speaker 2: you mentioned that Great alabama. DEFENSE i would love to

980
00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:52,360
Speaker 2: see what they could have done against This clemson offensive.

981
00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:55,520
Speaker 2: Line and certainly there were moments along the way That

982
00:51:55,719 --> 00:51:59,160
Speaker 2: Cam newton team, that as you know full, well there

983
00:51:59,560 --> 00:52:01,600
Speaker 2: was an l them into that team that felt almost

984
00:52:01,640 --> 00:52:02,279
Speaker 2: untouchable on.

985
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:04,160
Speaker 1: Offense, sure but.

986
00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:10,239
Speaker 2: The complete package is certainly here With, clemson and far

987
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:12,399
Speaker 2: be it from me to rule them out against any

988
00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:15,160
Speaker 2: of these, teams just the way they came, together the

989
00:52:15,200 --> 00:52:17,920
Speaker 2: way that system could jeal down the stretch After, september

990
00:52:18,360 --> 00:52:21,520
Speaker 2: When Trevor lawrence got a little bit more, Comfortable it's

991
00:52:21,600 --> 00:52:24,880
Speaker 2: tough to look at this roster here and say that

992
00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:27,359
Speaker 2: This clemson team couldn't have at least given a, game

993
00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:30,440
Speaker 2: if not have beaten most of the other schools that we've,

994
00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:31,600
Speaker 2: listed SO.

995
00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:35,080
Speaker 1: I, would without thinking a lot about, IT i would

996
00:52:35,120 --> 00:52:39,040
Speaker 1: have them ahead of twenty Seventeen. Alabama, yeah for, sure

997
00:52:39,320 --> 00:52:41,759
Speaker 1: The Jalen hurts. Team for. SURE i would have them

998
00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:44,120
Speaker 1: ahead of twenty Fifteen alabama.

999
00:52:45,120 --> 00:52:45,160
Speaker 2: But.

1000
00:52:45,719 --> 00:52:48,480
Speaker 1: Close but The Jake koker thing scares me a little.

1001
00:52:48,520 --> 00:52:51,120
Speaker 1: Bit But Lane kiffin certainly did a terrific job with

1002
00:52:51,160 --> 00:52:52,919
Speaker 1: That alabama. OFFENSE i THINK i would have them ahead

1003
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:56,160
Speaker 1: of twenty Fourteen Ohio states because what did they turned

1004
00:52:56,160 --> 00:52:59,040
Speaker 1: the ball over four times Against. OREGON i just don't

1005
00:52:59,040 --> 00:53:01,400
Speaker 1: think they're weathering a performance like that against.

1006
00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:04,480
Speaker 2: It AND i have a hard time WHEN i try

1007
00:53:04,560 --> 00:53:08,040
Speaker 2: to think about twenty thirteen for That Florida state team Is,

1008
00:53:08,440 --> 00:53:11,120
Speaker 2: yeah that's the one to me that that job that's

1009
00:53:11,200 --> 00:53:13,919
Speaker 2: on that complete, level that's right with how much talent

1010
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:14,840
Speaker 2: was on both sides of the.

1011
00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:17,279
Speaker 1: Ball twenty eleven is really tough for me because that

1012
00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:19,960
Speaker 1: is probably the best modern defense if it's not this

1013
00:53:20,120 --> 00:53:22,880
Speaker 1: Year's clemson, team just because they had to prove it so.

1014
00:53:23,040 --> 00:53:27,799
Speaker 1: Often twenty Twelve alabama we can talk. ABOUT i would

1015
00:53:27,840 --> 00:53:30,600
Speaker 1: Probably i'd probably have them ahead of twenty Ten auburn

1016
00:53:30,719 --> 00:53:33,440
Speaker 1: and two thousand and Nine. Bama not because the starters

1017
00:53:33,560 --> 00:53:37,000
Speaker 1: on two thousand and Nine bama were anything short of really.

1018
00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:39,400
Speaker 1: Good they just didn't have the, depth because that was

1019
00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:40,640
Speaker 1: What satan's third.

1020
00:53:40,760 --> 00:53:43,239
Speaker 2: YEAR i. Think for, me IT'S i Think Florida state

1021
00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:45,000
Speaker 2: and twenty thirteen is the one THAT i have the

1022
00:53:45,120 --> 00:53:47,960
Speaker 2: most difficulty. With that's WHY i hedge a, bit yeah

1023
00:53:48,040 --> 00:53:49,960
Speaker 2: in Putting clemson at the very, top because THAT i

1024
00:53:50,040 --> 00:53:52,799
Speaker 2: think that's. Right That Florida state team was. Loaded, yeah

1025
00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:55,200
Speaker 2: and the other teams were obviously very very good as,

1026
00:53:55,239 --> 00:53:57,960
Speaker 2: well but That Florida state, team to, me really jumps. Out.

1027
00:53:58,320 --> 00:54:00,680
Speaker 1: Yeah SO i would say out of those, TEN i

1028
00:54:00,719 --> 00:54:04,920
Speaker 1: think this Year's clemson team is probably at worst second

1029
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:09,640
Speaker 1: or third top. Three. Yeah so that's given the talent

1030
00:54:10,040 --> 00:54:13,440
Speaker 1: and success and production of all of those. Teams what

1031
00:54:13,560 --> 00:54:15,440
Speaker 1: an Absurd clemson. Team believe this was.

1032
00:54:15,640 --> 00:54:18,279
Speaker 2: Unbelievable what a job By Dabo, Sweeney what a job

1033
00:54:18,280 --> 00:54:21,080
Speaker 2: By Nick Saban that we're here. Again it Was Clemson

1034
00:54:21,120 --> 00:54:24,719
Speaker 2: Alabama part four over the last four. Years perhaps there

1035
00:54:24,760 --> 00:54:25,919
Speaker 2: will be a part. Five.

1036
00:54:26,120 --> 00:54:27,759
Speaker 1: Yeah and by the, way we should, say in terms

1037
00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:32,399
Speaker 1: of complete teams and, performances This alabama team this year

1038
00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:33,640
Speaker 1: is ahead of a lot of.

1039
00:54:33,719 --> 00:54:34,200
Speaker 2: These oh my.

1040
00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:37,440
Speaker 1: God, yeah because it is the clear most Complete alabama

1041
00:54:37,520 --> 00:54:39,760
Speaker 1: team of the last Dec they were, Incredible, Yeah.

1042
00:54:39,560 --> 00:54:42,600
Speaker 2: Brandon buzz all, right, well thank you for bearing with

1043
00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:46,480
Speaker 2: us over the last hour or. So we will be

1044
00:54:46,719 --> 00:54:50,360
Speaker 2: back in the near. Future, yes talking more college. Football

1045
00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:52,719
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1052
00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:16,319
Speaker 2: verbal dot. Com one more, Time Congratulations, clemson you are

1053
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:20,560
Speaker 2: the college football national. Champions for my good friend over

1054
00:55:20,600 --> 00:55:23,239
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1055
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1056
00:55:27,200 --> 00:55:29,160
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