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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast.

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Speaker 2: Welcome in Friday edition Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. A

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Speaker 2: little bit of a lovely start there. Appreciate all of

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Speaker 2: you hanging out with us. We are in South Florida,

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Speaker 2: hanging out with a lot of the people here who

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Speaker 2: are helping to make the show run in the South

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Speaker 2: Florida area. We appreciate all of you all over the country,

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Speaker 2: and we hope you're having a good early start to

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Speaker 2: your weekend. Several different stories that are floating around out there.

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Speaker 2: Pressure building in the Senate as Diane Feinstein and John

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Speaker 2: Fetterman's health is becoming more and more of an issue.

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Speaker 3: We'll talk about that a little bit.

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Speaker 2: Elon Musk is going to be on Tucker Carlson Monday

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Speaker 2: and Tuesday of next week, but he weighed in with

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Speaker 2: a strong take on this new trans battleground. We certainly

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Speaker 2: as we finished the show yesterday with you discuss the

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Speaker 2: fact that there was a twenty one year old Air

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Speaker 2: Force guy who was arrested for potentially leaking all of

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Speaker 2: these documents on discord. It effectively looks like he was

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Speaker 2: sharing them with his friends kind of in a way

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Speaker 2: to brag Stephen King under fire, the famous author for

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Speaker 2: saying men can't have babies, which is kind of a

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Speaker 2: reflection of where we are. Carol Markowitz from the New

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Speaker 2: York postal join us at one thirty Brian Dean Wright,

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Speaker 2: we'll be able to break down this information leak and

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Speaker 2: also the latest on Ukraine. One of bucks buddies from

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Speaker 2: the CIA will be.

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Speaker 3: Formally formerly we're both formally of just to be clear.

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Speaker 2: At two thirty, so that should be an interesting conversation.

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Speaker 2: But Buck, I saw this and it's getting a lot

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Speaker 2: of attention online and I'm curious what your analysis of

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Speaker 2: this would be. Elon Musk says he tweeted any parent

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Speaker 2: or doctor who sterilizes a child before they are a

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Speaker 2: consenting adult should go to prison for life. Now the

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Speaker 2: prison for life component, I'm not sure that I believe

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Speaker 2: it should be a life sentence. I actually do agree

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Speaker 2: with him that if you are a parent and you

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Speaker 2: are in any way involved in your child having surgery,

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Speaker 2: which means that child could never have a child him

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Speaker 2: or herself, that should be a crime that should be

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Speaker 2: considered child abuse. And I do think it's evidence that

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Speaker 2: a guy like Elon Musk is weighing in here of

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Speaker 2: how the limits of tolerance as it pertains to the

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Speaker 2: trans agenda are starting to run into a firewall of

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Speaker 2: resistance from somewhat reasonable people nationwide.

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Speaker 3: Look, Elon is doing phenomenal stuff and doesn't have to,

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Speaker 3: so I think there's always a moment we should take

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Speaker 3: to say that people who are on the front lines.

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Speaker 3: He's the richest man on the planet met right, they go.

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Speaker 2: Back and forth depending on where the stock is pretty

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Speaker 2: good place to be in terms of wealth.

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Speaker 3: And he's sleeping on a couch on the seventh floor

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Speaker 3: of the Twitter headquarters so that he can try to

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Speaker 3: actually create a public square. This is really not just

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Speaker 3: even about Twitter and social media. This is about the Internet.

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Speaker 3: This is about setting a standard of we're going to

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Speaker 3: have a place where ideas can be shared freely. Now,

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Speaker 3: it's a struggle, it's a fight, just like the First

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Speaker 3: Amendment is a struggle in a fight, and it's not

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Speaker 3: all clear all the time. But I think Elon deserves

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Speaker 3: a tremendous amount of credit from all of us for

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Speaker 3: what he's trying to do now on the trans policy issue.

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Speaker 3: First off, some of you, I know we have listeners

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Speaker 3: They Washington State Legislature passed SB fifty five ninety nine

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Speaker 3: Senate Bill fifty five ninety nine. Clay, I read that

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Speaker 3: and it needs now that miners. So people who are

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Speaker 3: they can have no parental notification. So you're thirteen or

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Speaker 3: have no parental notification under the following two circumstances. Now,

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Speaker 3: keep in mind they're going to say, well, what about

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Speaker 3: child abuse. Child abuse is already an exceptional law that

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Speaker 3: and abortion. So if you're fourteen year old, you're fifteen

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Speaker 3: a duty to notify the parents of the miner. Now,

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Speaker 3: that is what the bill does in Washington. I want

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Speaker 3: ever to be clear, they are legislating this stuff right now.

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Speaker 3: eleven year old daughter. Eleven year old daughter was encouraged

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Speaker 3: Can we play the audio please of an Aurora mom,

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Speaker 3: Aurora Regino, talking about what happened with her eleven year

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Speaker 4: My daughter was distressed and began questioning her sexuality, so

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Speaker 3: Letting me know what was going on at school.

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Speaker 4: Throughout her transition, my daughter changed very quickly, was bullied,

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Speaker 4: the rest of you. Before this happened to our family,

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Speaker 3: This is policy clay in California. You know that they'll

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Speaker 3: callp and you have kids. I don't, but I know

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Speaker 3: what the policies are because I'll read it it. They'll

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Speaker 3: to give? You know? So and so a tilan All,

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Speaker 3: he's running a fever. I got a headache that there's

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Speaker 3: parental permission. You show up as an eleven year old

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's crazy, it's absolutely insane. And I have gotten

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Speaker 2: can we give some sort of drug that might help

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Speaker 2: out a little bit? You get those notifications. I eleven

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Speaker 2: years old. I think it just brings home and buck

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Speaker 2: the story you're talking about in Washington. What comes to

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Speaker 2: you think that you're a different gender than you actually are,

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Speaker 2: and you can lose your parental rights if that occurs.

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Speaker 2: And I also wonder what sort of care can you

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Speaker 2: get and this is just getting into the nitty gritty

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Speaker 2: having your breast removed, that isn't.

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Speaker 3: A cheap surgery.

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Speaker 2: So what kind of gender affirming care is the state

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Speaker 2: of Washington potentially providing to miners whose parents are clearly

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Speaker 3: In California, Washington, these states, these deep blue states, if

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Speaker 3: somehow the state legislature of Washington has a better sense

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Speaker 3: of whether your minor child should be able to sexually transition, which,

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Speaker 3: as we know, isn't even possible. The word itself, transition

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Speaker 3: is a lie. You don't transition to any other gender.

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Speaker 3: You just change some of your superficial physical characteristics to

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Speaker 3: This woman in California saying that her eleven year old

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Speaker 3: an eleven year old would be what a fifth grader? Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I mean you think of honestly the cowardice among psychia,

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Speaker 2: And if you do, that's the whole concept of a tomboy.

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Speaker 2: That's why I said, fifth graders, how many of you

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Speaker 2: This is absolutely indefensible that this could ever occur.

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Speaker 3: If someone came to you and they were severe you know,

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Speaker 3: severely anorexic, or had severe bulimia, which are effectively anxiety disorders,

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Speaker 3: manifested through obsession with control of food and appearance, and

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Speaker 3: would all understand that that is monstrous malpractice. That person

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Speaker 3: should lose their license and probably go to prison. Right,

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Speaker 3: we would all understand that because people can die from that,

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Speaker 3: as we know people can die from anorexia. Now we

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Speaker 3: have children. I mean, eleven years old is a child, right,

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Speaker 3: I mean, you know, sixteen seventeen, you're an adolescent, and

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Speaker 3: even at sixteen or seventeen, you're still not an adult.

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Speaker 3: Your parents still should be able to weigh in. But

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Speaker 3: at eleven you haven't even started. Pubert, you don't know

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Speaker 3: anything about anything when it comes to you, your body,

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Speaker 2: think there's certainly a danger component because everybody knows weather conditions.

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Speaker 2: Your power gets knocked out in your house, the Internet

436
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Speaker 2: goes down in a hurry everywhere. How many of you

437
00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:07,760
Speaker 2: still have a radio battery power in your house to listen.

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Speaker 3: Every zombie apocalypse move? Yes, that's right. What is the

439
00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:13,240
Speaker 3: one thing? Oh, we've managed to create a safe zone

440
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Speaker 3: are you Are you looking on your Discord channel for that?

441
00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:20,119
Speaker 3: Are you on Facebook Messenger? Does that even exist? Are

442
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Speaker 3: you looking at your emails? No? In the Zombie Apocalypse movie,

443
00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:27,040
Speaker 3: because we all understand how the technology works. It's been

444
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Speaker 3: one of us for so long. It is old school.

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Speaker 3: It might sound a little scratchy for a second, old

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Speaker 3: school radio. So do you want to get to the

447
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Speaker 3: safe zone promised land everybody during a disaster, hopefully not

448
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Speaker 3: a zombie apocalypse. Old school radio. The emergency warning system

449
00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:45,240
Speaker 3: is still the backbone of it is still AM radio,

450
00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:48,120
Speaker 3: and they just want to want to fade this out.

451
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Speaker 3: And you wonder why the infrastructure is all here, So

452
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Speaker 3: many millions of people are still listening on AM radio.

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Speaker 2: The cost is virtually negligible to these car companies to

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Speaker 2: include AM radio. It feels like a something that they

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Speaker 2: are trying to sneak through without it being discussed very widely.

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Speaker 2: And we say it because we're number one in sixteen, seventeen, eighteen,

457
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Speaker 2: whatever it is markets all over the country. Some of

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Speaker 2: those are AM stations and we want you guys to

459
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Speaker 2: always be able to find this. And I understand some

460
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Speaker 2: of you say, well, just go download the podcast. There

461
00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:23,920
Speaker 2: are a lot of people who are not downloading podcast people. Right,

462
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Speaker 2: my dad doesn't have an email address. He's not going

463
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Speaker 2: to be an expert on finding podcasts and downloading him.

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Speaker 3: Now, maybe mom can.

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Speaker 2: She's a little bit more technologically a student in our household.

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Speaker 2: But there are a lot of people out there that

467
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Speaker 2: want to sit down when they get in their car.

468
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Speaker 2: They want to put on their favored station. You want

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Speaker 2: to be able to listen to us there, and as

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Speaker 2: we see older cars coming out of circulation, this is

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Speaker 2: a direct threat upon I would say, buck the marketplace

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Speaker 2: of ideas, and don't mistake that requiring people to buy

473
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Speaker 2: electric vehicles has the benefit of helping to restrict you

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Speaker 2: from being able to hear us.

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Speaker 3: There's so many ways also that conversation and and thought

476
00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:10,960
Speaker 3: can be manipulated on and to be honest, on digital

477
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Speaker 3: platforms that rely on whether it's you know, Facebook or

478
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Speaker 3: these social media companies. I've ex radio's radio. We say

479
00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:21,520
Speaker 3: the words, they go out over the transistors. I'm not

480
00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:23,639
Speaker 3: exactly mcguiver over here, so I don't really know, but

481
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:27,000
Speaker 3: they go out over the airwaves and you hear them,

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Speaker 3: you hear what we say. We are hanging out with

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Speaker 3: you and talking to you. There's not some algorithm that

484
00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:35,919
Speaker 3: is searching through our words to figure out what you

485
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:39,080
Speaker 3: want to hear or see. There's not some uh, you know,

486
00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:43,120
Speaker 3: there's no filter. It is from our mouths to your

487
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:46,800
Speaker 3: ears all across the country thanks to a m radio

488
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Speaker 3: and and so you know, there's even a there's a

489
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Speaker 3: Democrat Congressman Gotttheimer in New Jersey who's saying, look, we

490
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Speaker 3: got it. We need this for the emergency warning system.

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Speaker 3: So he's speaking out and right happy to see that.

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00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:03,880
Speaker 3: We know a lot of congressional staffs and others listen

493
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:06,800
Speaker 3: to this show, and it's really straightforward. You've got to

494
00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:11,760
Speaker 3: tell the car companies guys, for safety purposes, if nothing else,

495
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Speaker 3: in an emergency situation, people need to have that AM

496
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:18,920
Speaker 3: band still. And you know that's the that's the reason

497
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:21,640
Speaker 3: that I think there's no counter argument too. Realistically. Yes,

498
00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:23,720
Speaker 3: And then for us, obviously we sit here as guys

499
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Speaker 3: who are on a huge AM platform all across America

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Speaker 3: thanks to premier networks. You know, it feels like, oh,

501
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:34,639
Speaker 3: all of a sudden, this is being you know, this

502
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:38,200
Speaker 3: is under some pressure from the car makers. Has nothing

503
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:40,720
Speaker 3: to do with the policy does anyone think that if

504
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:43,440
Speaker 3: this was a medium that was dominated by far left

505
00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:47,000
Speaker 3: voices and the Democrats could completely, you know, run the

506
00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:50,000
Speaker 3: table on there wouldn't be efforts to make sure that

507
00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:54,040
Speaker 3: that was perpetuated. Obviously, it's more of a target from

508
00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:56,640
Speaker 3: what does anyone think that some of these now with Elon?

509
00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:59,240
Speaker 3: I do think it's just technology based because of the Tesla.

510
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:01,560
Speaker 3: I've bet he hasn't even thought about it. Yeah, I

511
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:03,800
Speaker 3: mean he's got looking, he's got big problems to, you know,

512
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:06,560
Speaker 3: bigger things to in his mind tackle. I'm sure for

513
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:09,280
Speaker 3: the future of the country, but put this one on

514
00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:12,520
Speaker 3: the list, Elon. We need to have am in those cars,

515
00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:15,479
Speaker 3: and I'm sure technologically there's a way to do it.

516
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:19,080
Speaker 3: And I think that it's important for everybody to, you know,

517
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Speaker 3: let it be known that this technology still serves both

518
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Speaker 3: safety and dialogue purposes that we need in this country no.

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Speaker 2: Doubt, and all of you out there need to be

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Speaker 2: aware of it. We just want to make sure that

521
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Speaker 2: you're all able to hear thankfully, this marketplace of ideas,

522
00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:42,280
Speaker 2: where every single day it feels like more and more

523
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Speaker 2: of our national conversation is getting curtailed and held to

524
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Speaker 2: be unacceptable. When we saw the Supreme Court overturn Roe v.

525
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Speaker 2: Wade last June, we knew the debate over abortion was

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527
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Speaker 1: Making Sense in an Insane World. Clay Travis and Buck Sexton.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. Okay, let's

551
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Speaker 2: talk a little bit about the rest of the Air

552
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:24,040
Speaker 2: Force leaker. This twenty one year old I think it's

553
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Speaker 2: still fair to call somebody in that age a kid.

554
00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:28,000
Speaker 2: I understand some of you out there are going to say, oh,

555
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:29,440
Speaker 2: he's too old to be called a kid, but twenty

556
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:33,160
Speaker 2: one year old kid effectively, in my opinion, not very

557
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:38,840
Speaker 2: highly placed inside of the United States military. And he

558
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:43,840
Speaker 2: got caught months after he did it for posting classified

559
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:48,160
Speaker 2: documents on a discord server that he and buddies were

560
00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:50,840
Speaker 2: interacting on. And I was doing some research or reading

561
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:54,920
Speaker 2: on this this morning, Buck, and it sounds like these

562
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:58,280
Speaker 2: were just kind of guys who found themselves together online

563
00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:01,480
Speaker 2: where they would share funny meme they would share a

564
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:05,400
Speaker 2: variety of different sort of topical interaction and it really

565
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:07,960
Speaker 2: kind of took off during COVID because all of them

566
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:12,080
Speaker 2: felt isolated. They weren't able to have normal interactions as

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Speaker 2: they generally would. And I don't know when And I'm

568
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Speaker 2: curious if you would agree with this. When I read

569
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Speaker 2: about what this kid was doing, it doesn't feel like

570
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:25,320
Speaker 2: this was some grand expose where he has a strong

571
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Speaker 2: opinion on what's going on with the war in Ukraine

572
00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:31,880
Speaker 2: or Russia relations or anything else. And maybe I'm looking

573
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Speaker 2: at it from the perspective of a dad who has

574
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Speaker 2: a fifteen year old who is active on discord and

575
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:40,640
Speaker 2: he's on there with his teenage buddies and they just

576
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:43,960
Speaker 2: kind of interact during the course of the day and

577
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:45,920
Speaker 2: when they get home and they share funny things with

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Speaker 2: each other. And for people out there who don't really

579
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Speaker 2: understand this Discord as I understand it based on seeing

580
00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:54,160
Speaker 2: the way my kid uses it is basically your own

581
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Speaker 2: private message board that you can control who comes in

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Speaker 2: and out.

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Speaker 3: You have to approve somebody. It's like a private Reddit.

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Speaker 3: That would be a good way to write. Yeah, So

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Speaker 3: you know, look, I know the laws about classification because

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Speaker 3: I had to abide by them when I was in

587
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Speaker 3: the CIA, and actually you have to keep abiding by

588
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Speaker 3: them once you leave. You sign a very substantial and

589
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:18,520
Speaker 3: very scary looking NDA, and you know there's prison terms

590
00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:21,760
Speaker 3: attached to a lot of things. I understand that there

591
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Speaker 3: are some people, some conservatives, particularly right now, who I

592
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:29,560
Speaker 3: respect a lot, like a lot and think do great work,

593
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:33,480
Speaker 3: who are already saying that this is a snowd in

594
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:39,840
Speaker 3: like situation. He's a heroic whistleblower, and he's effectively what

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Speaker 3: I laid out yesterday was there is a threshold for

596
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:47,680
Speaker 3: which letting people know the truth can you can argue

597
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Speaker 3: supersedes your obligation to protect classified information. You can argue it.

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Speaker 3: It gets to be very tough, right because it's also

599
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Speaker 3: all right, well did you really now, let's go through

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Speaker 3: that for a second, because that's the claim that being made.

601
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Speaker 3: Did this guy redact things that have nothing to do

602
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Speaker 3: nothing to do with whether the government's lying about Did

603
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:11,440
Speaker 3: he redact sources and methods? Did he redact maybe something

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Speaker 3: that might indicate where we're getting information, say either from

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Speaker 3: within the Russian intelligence services, which is I mean, people

606
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:20,879
Speaker 3: can die because of this stuff individuals can lose their

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Speaker 3: lives because of this. I saw somebody you know earlier today,

608
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Speaker 3: I think it was the former DNI Ratcliffe on Fox

609
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Speaker 3: and he was saying, well, this is in the same

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Speaker 3: line as he named all these leakers, And I said,

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Speaker 3: hold on a second. The Snowden leak is different from

612
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Speaker 3: the Hansen leak or the aldrich Ames leak. Right, these

613
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Speaker 3: are different individuals selling names of people who are sources

614
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Speaker 3: for the federal government to the Soviets at the time,

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Speaker 3: who will then execute these people. That you're basically murdering

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Speaker 3: people for money. Right, That's different than letting people know

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Speaker 3: about as Snowden did a massive dragnet surveillance operation that

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Speaker 3: the government was lined the American people about. These things

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Speaker 3: should not be all put in the same bucket and

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Speaker 3: treated the same way. There are distinctions here. So then

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Speaker 3: that brings me to this, Jack, how do you tech, Sarah?

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Speaker 3: And I may be mispronouncing that because I'm clearly not

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Speaker 3: the expert on So that brings me to let's just

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Speaker 3: say to Jack here and what he did to people

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Speaker 3: who are saying now the only way that what I'm

626
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Speaker 3: telling you right now is wrong, and it may be

627
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:28,439
Speaker 3: wrong is if there's additional information we don't know, which

628
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:30,879
Speaker 3: is always the case with an early situation like this,

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Speaker 3: and or the Washington Post the New York Times are

630
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Speaker 3: entirely fabricating narratives around this from other sources and everything else.

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Speaker 3: But I mean, all I can do is go on

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Speaker 3: with the reporting is that has been presented so far.

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Speaker 3: Based on the reporting so far, what you said, this

634
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Speaker 3: looks like a young guy who had access to super

635
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Speaker 3: sensitive material, who was sharing that material with his friends.

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Speaker 3: That seems like he essentially was just trying to do like, hey,

637
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Speaker 3: look at this cool stuff. At no point did he

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Speaker 3: make an effort to take it to anybody in Congress,

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Speaker 3: his chain of command or wide period. He didn't decide

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Speaker 3: to distribute this to everybody. Okay, So if we want

641
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Speaker 3: to talk about a heroic leaker narrative, you'd want to

642
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Speaker 3: find out, Okay, well, who's the person that looked at

643
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Speaker 3: this and said, oh my god. The American people need

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Speaker 3: to know because based on what we're told, I understand

645
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Speaker 3: this could be New York Times, you know, deep state

646
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Speaker 3: Washington Post stuff, But based on what we know so far,

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Speaker 3: there's no basis to believe that he even thought he

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Speaker 3: was doing some public service with this. What it seems

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Speaker 3: like is he's a young guy who was working really

650
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Speaker 3: on the IT side, not an analyst, not a high

651
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Speaker 3: level policy guy even the military intelligence circles at all.

652
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Speaker 3: I mean, he's, you know, twenty one years old. He

653
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:53,200
Speaker 3: saw stuff that was marked super secret that had to

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Speaker 3: do with Ukraine that would be interesting, and he allegedly

655
00:36:56,760 --> 00:37:00,640
Speaker 3: put it in unsecured forums, went through the process of

656
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Speaker 3: photographing and everything else. So I understand that because we

657
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:08,759
Speaker 3: are being lied to about Ukraine, okay, and the Ukrainians

658
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:11,480
Speaker 3: are not winning the war also true. I mean I've

659
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:12,799
Speaker 3: known that. I've been saying this to you and on

660
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Speaker 3: the show for a long time. Ukrainians are not winning

661
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:18,080
Speaker 3: this war. People look at this guy and immediately say,

662
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:22,600
Speaker 3: I think he's a leaker. Sorry, I think he's a whistleblower. Right.

663
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:25,960
Speaker 3: I look at this, and I say, you're creating motive

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Speaker 3: for him by saying that that is not yet, not

665
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:31,600
Speaker 3: yet rooted. In fact, if we have more, if it

666
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:33,799
Speaker 3: comes out, if there are court filings that show us

667
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:36,759
Speaker 3: that actually he thought that we're heading toward nuclear war,

668
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Speaker 3: and I will come back and I'll say, all right,

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Speaker 3: you know there's something else here. Based on the people

670
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:45,400
Speaker 3: around him and his own actions, it looks like he

671
00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:47,279
Speaker 3: just thought this was cool stuff to share and it

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Speaker 3: got out there. And I haven't looked at and I

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00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:53,160
Speaker 3: haven't been able to see Clay what exactly was in

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Speaker 3: this stuff. But there are some things the government should

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Speaker 3: keep secret. Actually, I know this sounds like, Oh, I

676
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:00,880
Speaker 3: was in the CIA, and there are some things that

677
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:02,839
Speaker 3: if you just put it out there, people are gonna die. Yeah,

678
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:05,000
Speaker 3: you're not helping anybody, You're not helping transparency.

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Speaker 2: The motive is to me fairly significant in many ways here.

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Speaker 2: I also wonder whether his lawyers are ultimately going to

681
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Speaker 2: decide what is his best defense, because if you are

682
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Speaker 2: some person who believes that the government the Edward Snowden angle,

683
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Speaker 2: and as you mentioned the Hansen scenario, if I remember correctly,

684
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Speaker 2: that was a guy who was giving away spies to

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Speaker 2: fit essentially be executerect.

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Speaker 3: So his motivation was he's murder for hire, except he was,

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Speaker 3: you know, he wasn't. He was just getting money from.

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Speaker 2: The russ Can you remember a classified document scandal where

689
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:47,680
Speaker 2: the motivation was I'm just trying to impress my buddies. No,

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Speaker 2: That doesn't mean that it hasn't happened.

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Speaker 3: But has it has I will say it has happened,

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Speaker 3: but it has usually happened at a at a very

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Speaker 3: low level. And actually at point you know, there was

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Speaker 3: a guy who he was actually pardoned I'm leave by Trump,

695
00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:03,719
Speaker 3: who took a photo on a submarine deleted it from

696
00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:05,400
Speaker 3: his phone immediately, but he just thought like, oh, this

697
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:06,719
Speaker 3: is cool, like I might want to show this to

698
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:08,880
Speaker 3: somebody and realize, oh wait, I shouldn't be taking this photo.

699
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Speaker 3: And I think they sent them away for eighteen months

700
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Speaker 3: something like that. There have been people who just like

701
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:18,319
Speaker 3: to run their mouth about classified stuff and share things

702
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:21,600
Speaker 3: they shouldn't have told journalists things. Usually when they tell

703
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:24,239
Speaker 3: a journalist to classified stuff, it's not because they want

704
00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:26,040
Speaker 3: to be some whistle. It's because they want to feel important.

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Speaker 3: It's because the New York Times, who, by the way,

706
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Speaker 3: some of these big journalistic enterprises totally burden their sources

707
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Speaker 3: on this stuff. People end up going to prison for

708
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Speaker 3: talking to them. So it's a horrible idea to do.

709
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:40,880
Speaker 3: And there's a balance here. It's not as straightforward as everything.

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Speaker 3: There are some things I will repeat, there are some

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Speaker 3: things that if a government is going to fight wars,

712
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Speaker 3: and if for government is going to have intelligence agencies,

713
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:49,799
Speaker 3: it needs to keep secret. That's not to say they

714
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:52,360
Speaker 3: aren't using that as an excuse to cover up a

715
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:55,120
Speaker 3: lot of bad activity. They aren't overclassifying. I know all

716
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Speaker 3: this stuff in detail, but to just like throw stuff

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00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 3: out there about the Ukraine, I mean, according to the

718
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Speaker 3: New York Times, Clay, there's something about collection. This is,

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Speaker 3: according to New York Times, reporting on a collection about

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Speaker 3: Russian intelligence services that we have that's not you don't

721
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Speaker 3: that shouldn't be out there. There's no base. That's not

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Speaker 3: helping the American people. That's just making it harder for

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Speaker 3: us to know what the Russians are doing.

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Speaker 2: To me, it seems like he was just trying to

725
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Speaker 2: impress his buddies. Again based on my knowledge of discord

726
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:26,560
Speaker 2: and also the fact that it took months to even

727
00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:29,960
Speaker 2: realize that this was out there. So he posted it,

728
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Speaker 2: I think initially in December of twenty twenty two or

729
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:37,440
Speaker 2: something like that, if I believe, and then it took

730
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Speaker 2: months for it to finally circulate around for somebody to say, hey,

731
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Speaker 2: look at this. The one thing I'm nervous about Buck

732
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Speaker 2: is the Biden administration is one hundred percent going to

733
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Speaker 2: use this as a reason to spy.

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Speaker 3: On even already said we come back to they're already

735
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Speaker 3: talking to this. But I would just say for anybody,

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Speaker 3: I know some people, people have had clearances, and there's

737
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Speaker 3: a lot of you whore listening. Now you know what

738
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Speaker 3: I'm talking about. Okay, you know what I mean by

739
00:40:57,480 --> 00:41:00,200
Speaker 3: some things. Otherwise it's sit here and say, okay, So

740
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Speaker 3: if somebody finds out, like in the Pentagon, what our

741
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Speaker 3: response plan is in detail to a Chinese invasion of Taiwan,

742
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:09,840
Speaker 3: can they just you know, throw that up on Facebook

743
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:13,479
Speaker 3: because they're a whistleblower. Man, they're a whistleblower really, because

744
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:15,880
Speaker 3: we're gonna have our guys flying in you know, F

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00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:18,520
Speaker 3: eighteen's and F twenty two's and whatever trying to deal

746
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:21,160
Speaker 3: with this. You want the Chinese to know. I mean,

747
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:23,640
Speaker 3: this is no my things need to be secret. Everybody.

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00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:24,960
Speaker 3: I think people have gotten on the right have gotten

749
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:27,279
Speaker 3: a little too like oh, it's like all right, we

750
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:30,200
Speaker 3: need to be very clear about what we're talking about here,

751
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Speaker 3: what was released and for what purpose?

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Speaker 2: If he had gone to The New York Times in

753
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Speaker 2: the Washington Post, to want to release these documents. To

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Speaker 2: your point, they might have given him up, but it

755
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:43,040
Speaker 2: would certainly aid in a bet the argument that he's

756
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Speaker 2: a hero. I also question, because it challenges some of

757
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Speaker 2: the conventional narrative associated with what's going on with Ukraine

758
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Speaker 2: and Russia, whether the New York Times in the Washington

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Speaker 2: Post would have even been willing to publish it, I.

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Speaker 3: Mean back in the day, so that would be a

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Speaker 3: fascinating and I agree with you. I'm not sure sure.

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Speaker 3: I think they might have when it hurt. It all depends.

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Speaker 3: As you know, folks, Leaks that hurt the American administration

764
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Speaker 3: when it's a Republican are always by the big media

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Speaker 3: companies like New York Times Washington Posts always to be celebrated.

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Speaker 3: Leaks that would hurt the Obama administration, the Biden administration,

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Speaker 3: those are national suit run those are national security threats.

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Speaker 3: We can't do that. We're Americans. First, they would say, well,

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Speaker 3: it actually wouldn't say that, but you know, they would

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Speaker 3: By the way, any of you who have had a clearance,

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Speaker 2: Clay Travis Buck Sexton show in studio with us right now,

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Speaker 2: as we teased as we went to break, I'm still alive.

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Speaker 2: But if I disappear, you know who to look at

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Speaker 2: two as the potential suspects.

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Speaker 3: We have a very particular set of Yeah, I know,

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Speaker 3: I know.

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Speaker 2: We got a couple of former CIA guys and here

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Speaker 2: Brian Dean Wright is with us. His podcast is the

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Speaker 2: Right Report. Encourage all of you to check that out.

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Speaker 2: So I just want to start with this question because

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Speaker 2: I'm curious. I don't know how did you guys meet?

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Speaker 3: Well, we can see is as a smaller world. I mean,

809
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Speaker 3: there aren't many of us. Your MIC's not we gotta

810
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:22,440
Speaker 3: get his mic on. Actually, hold on a second, I

811
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Speaker 3: think it's on. Now we got you take this question.

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Speaker 3: This is he's in studio. I'm just gonna say the

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Speaker 3: analyst over here, mister, mister former operations guys, do all

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Speaker 3: the text out.

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Speaker 5: I'm just a knucklebregger.

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Speaker 2: Come on, now Mike is still not all right. I'll

817
00:44:37,719 --> 00:44:40,400
Speaker 2: keep talking while Buck figures this out. This is u

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Speaker 2: an an incredible uh situation here. We got two brilliant

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Speaker 2: CIA agents and the two of them combined. Can I

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Speaker 2: This is like when you ask the question how many

821
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:52,880
Speaker 2: CIA agents does it take to change a light bulb?

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Speaker 3: Two and somebody else to hire them. I'm literally I

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Speaker 3: love my CI brothers so much that as co hosts,

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Speaker 3: I'm handing over my Mike to him so he can

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Speaker 3: answer your question.

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Speaker 2: Go ahead, So where did you guys initially meet? That's

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Speaker 2: the question that I just asked.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so look, the Intel community is very small, and

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Speaker 5: I think those of us who leave, we typically go

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Speaker 5: in the shadows.

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Speaker 3: But I think there are some of us who.

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Speaker 5: I think feel cold to continue to inform the world

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Speaker 5: about what's going on in our country, yes, domestic affairs,

834
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Speaker 5: but also internationally. And I think obviously my brother here

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Speaker 5: has done that. And so I'm proud to say I

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Speaker 5: know this guy. He's a good man.

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Speaker 3: I said this Buck to you once before.

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Speaker 2: I was at the Alabama Texas A and M game

839
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Speaker 2: and the game had just ended and this guy came down.

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Speaker 2: He shook my hand and said, tell Buck. I knew

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00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:37,399
Speaker 2: him in the agency, and I was like, well, where

842
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:39,160
Speaker 2: did this guy come from? You know, I'm just standing

843
00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:40,720
Speaker 2: in the middle of Brian Denny Stadium.

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Speaker 3: They someone's going to teach you the Superman shake. I know,

845
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Speaker 3: I'm jealous.

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Speaker 2: So when you guys see now, Buck like the way

847
00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:50,279
Speaker 2: that the agency has changed since you left. We were

848
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:52,360
Speaker 2: just talking about this off air, but I think a

849
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:55,279
Speaker 2: lot of people will be super curious about this what

850
00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:56,920
Speaker 2: has happened inside the CIA.

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Speaker 5: Back when Buck and I worked there, it was centrally

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00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:05,560
Speaker 5: focused on the mission right putting in ensuring that America

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00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:07,920
Speaker 5: was protected. That was the only reason we were hired.

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Speaker 5: And I'm sure Buck can talk about this as well.

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Speaker 5: It was Post on eleven, we had just been attacked.

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00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:16,080
Speaker 5: Everybody was focused on ensuring that the country was safe.

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Speaker 5: Now things have changed, so I have lots of stories.

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Speaker 5: I'm sure Buck knows these as well. But we've got

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Speaker 5: officers who are there who talk very proudfully about the

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Speaker 5: fact that they are, for instance, black, and they want

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Speaker 5: to create black only groups where you have to be

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00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:31,520
Speaker 5: a black officer. I'm not sure how they prove that

863
00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:33,920
Speaker 5: when you walk in like what skin culture you have exactly.

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Speaker 5: But the point is that we have that We've got

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Speaker 5: transgender folks who talk about violence when they see Trump

866
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Speaker 5: bumper stickers, and they wanted to have those not only

867
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Speaker 5: those stickers out, but those those other employees removed from

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Speaker 5: the agency.

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Speaker 3: So if that's true and.

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Speaker 5: We have that degree of politics now within our operators

871
00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:55,800
Speaker 5: and our analysts, that's a big problem just generally speaking,

872
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Speaker 5: but moreover, what's happening into the analysis is that being

873
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Speaker 5: politicized as well.

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Speaker 3: Yes, that's a bad deal. The answer is definitely yes.

875
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Speaker 3: I want to ask you, you know, we started out

876
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Speaker 3: in the first hour of the show talking about the

877
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Speaker 3: leak of this information, and I tried to lay it

878
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Speaker 3: out yesterday for everybody that it seemed to me like

879
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:17,840
Speaker 3: this was someone who was trying to show off to

880
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Speaker 3: his friends. Some people on the right, including some of

881
00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:23,200
Speaker 3: my favorite people on the right in the commentary space,

882
00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:26,920
Speaker 3: are saying that this guy is a whistleblower. I'm open

883
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Speaker 3: to if there's more information or proof of that, fine,

884
00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:33,040
Speaker 3: But sharing a bunch of super secret stuff with your

885
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:35,839
Speaker 3: buddies on a chat and nobody else, and then they

886
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Speaker 3: share it with someone, and then they share it with someone,

887
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Speaker 3: Those are not the actions as I can see it

888
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Speaker 3: of a whistleblower? Am I missing something? And what do

889
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:44,719
Speaker 3: you say to people? Say, oh, two CIA stooges see

890
00:47:44,719 --> 00:47:46,600
Speaker 3: it the same way, what a shocker glowing?

891
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Speaker 5: The show is glowing today is very fetty. Look, I

892
00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:52,279
Speaker 5: think you're right to say, we don't yet know. I

893
00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:55,520
Speaker 5: think where people are coming from on that is so

894
00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:58,680
Speaker 5: many folks don't trust the intelligence community for good reason,

895
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Speaker 5: and they don't trust the current resident for a good reason,

896
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Speaker 5: and so when they see something like this, the reflex is, hey,

897
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Speaker 5: I bet they're just targeting this guy because he's a whistleblower.

898
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Speaker 5: And that's not necessarily an unreasonable place to want to

899
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Speaker 5: start off, because of the history of the last couple

900
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Speaker 5: of years. But I do think that we have to

901
00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:15,480
Speaker 5: just take a little bit of a pause to say,

902
00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:18,440
Speaker 5: all right, we don't have enough information and we know

903
00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:20,400
Speaker 5: you know some yet, which would suggest that he was

904
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Speaker 5: just a guy bragging, which, by the way, Buck, you

905
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Speaker 5: and I both know inside the CIA you're not even

906
00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:27,160
Speaker 5: supposed to do that with your friends. We compartment our

907
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:29,080
Speaker 5: operations and we don't talk about it enough. If I'm

908
00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:31,040
Speaker 5: working on Cuba stuff and you're working on Russia stuff.

909
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Speaker 3: We don't tell Eachi. It's a big to call it

910
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:36,239
Speaker 3: a faux pause, too, gentle. You're not supposed to do

911
00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:36,640
Speaker 3: that at all.

912
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Speaker 5: Yeah, but it does occasionally happen, and if it does,

913
00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:41,480
Speaker 5: like you get in by big trouble. But the point

914
00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:44,080
Speaker 5: is there is this sort of itch amongst some folks

915
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Speaker 5: in the Intel community to do that, to share, and

916
00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:48,680
Speaker 5: I get it. But now we have this very young

917
00:48:48,719 --> 00:48:52,160
Speaker 5: man who isn't necessarily baptized in the fires yet. He's

918
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Speaker 5: twenty twenty one to twenty two, whatever he is. He's

919
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:56,520
Speaker 5: a young man, and people do stupid things when they're young,

920
00:48:57,080 --> 00:48:59,640
Speaker 5: generally speaking, and this kid's not gonna be an exception.

921
00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:02,520
Speaker 3: Probably is he's got access to a bunch of information

922
00:49:02,600 --> 00:49:04,759
Speaker 3: that they've got we shouldn't have been. People keep asking me,

923
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Speaker 3: we're speaking of Brian Dean, right, former CI operations officer.

924
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Speaker 3: I'm Buck Sexton, former CIA analysis officer, and this is

925
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Speaker 3: Klay Travis, who is wearing a Hawaiian shirt, and I'll

926
00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:18,840
Speaker 3: just say, you know, people keep asking me, how is

927
00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:20,719
Speaker 3: it that he could have this access. I'm like, once

928
00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:22,920
Speaker 3: you get the clearance, that's the clearance, right, there's not

929
00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:26,600
Speaker 3: a special I'm over forty ts clearance, so wisdom does

930
00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:29,600
Speaker 3: not necessarily come along with the clearance level. But a

931
00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:31,080
Speaker 3: lot of people I know are looking at this and

932
00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:34,359
Speaker 3: they're saying, well, hold on a second. The information here

933
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Speaker 3: about the Ukraine War, some of it is very important

934
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Speaker 3: for the American people to know, notably that it's not

935
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Speaker 3: going as well for Ukraine as the media is leading

936
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Speaker 3: us to believe. What is your assessment of that, both

937
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:49,960
Speaker 3: in terms of the impact here in America of us

938
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Speaker 3: knowing and what's actually happening on the ground in Ukraine.

939
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Speaker 3: I know you follow this closely. Yeah, well, look, let's

940
00:49:54,520 --> 00:49:54,960
Speaker 3: be honest.

941
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Speaker 5: So on my podcast, The Right Report, we talked about

942
00:49:57,880 --> 00:50:00,520
Speaker 5: domestic stuff, but a lot of international stuff has been

943
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Speaker 5: the huge, huge focus. And I will tell you what

944
00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:08,160
Speaker 5: everything indicates is that Ukraine is not doing as well publicly, right,

945
00:50:08,160 --> 00:50:10,120
Speaker 5: that we actually do have some some signals out there

946
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Speaker 5: that says that Ukraine is suffering dramatically. In fact, there

947
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Speaker 5: was one Brigger general I believe, who acknowledged that he

948
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Speaker 5: had a unit with one hundred percent losses, right, so

949
00:50:20,120 --> 00:50:22,279
Speaker 5: one hundred percent of the men have had to be replaced.

950
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Speaker 5: So we're seeing that in lots of places throughout Ukraine.

951
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Speaker 5: The issue fundamentally is Russia's got more people to pull

952
00:50:27,160 --> 00:50:30,640
Speaker 5: from back in their home country. So that's the first part,

953
00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:32,560
Speaker 5: and in the second, we are dumping a whole bunch

954
00:50:32,600 --> 00:50:35,120
Speaker 5: of money into this war, one hundred and thirteen billion

955
00:50:35,160 --> 00:50:38,640
Speaker 5: plus now committed. Russia will not walk away from this

956
00:50:38,680 --> 00:50:41,000
Speaker 5: because Putin knows that he's dead. All the guys around

957
00:50:41,040 --> 00:50:43,000
Speaker 5: him are dead to if they lose this. So this

958
00:50:43,080 --> 00:50:45,560
Speaker 5: is an all in proposition. What I think that the

959
00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:48,840
Speaker 5: leaks show, and that if folks out there are watching this,

960
00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:52,440
Speaker 5: we are at war with Russia. That's the truth. We

961
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Speaker 5: have boots on the ground and I will tell you

962
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Speaker 5: I'm sure you all know this as well. Our special

963
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Speaker 5: forces operators have been there for a long time doing

964
00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:01,799
Speaker 5: lots of squarel things. So in other words, we are

965
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Speaker 5: going to have some body bags coming home from Ukraine.

966
00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:06,560
Speaker 5: We probably already have. And I think it's important for

967
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Speaker 5: us to debate that, to talk about it. To hide

968
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Speaker 5: that I think is wrong. Now, let's see what happens

969
00:51:12,719 --> 00:51:15,759
Speaker 5: with these leaks and see to what extented forces a conversation.

970
00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:18,640
Speaker 5: But things are not going well in Ukraine. For the

971
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Speaker 5: Ukraine Ukrainian people, the horses and the West US.

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Speaker 2: I would like to hear from both of you guys

973
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Speaker 2: on this. And we're talking to Brian Dean Wright, formerly

974
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Speaker 2: with the CIA, in studio with US here in South Florida.

975
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Speaker 2: You talked about how the culture has changed. You've talked

976
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Speaker 2: for a while Buck about how the CIA culture has

977
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Speaker 2: changed compared to when you joined to try to go

978
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Speaker 2: get bin Laden after nine to eleven. How do you

979
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Speaker 2: fix a broken culture in the CIA? I'll let you start, Brian,

980
00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:49,680
Speaker 2: like what in your mind to make the country safer

981
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Speaker 2: and fix the culture that exists there now that is

982
00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:56,240
Speaker 2: generationally I think it's fair to say declined. What should happen?

983
00:51:56,239 --> 00:51:57,080
Speaker 2: How would you fix it?

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Speaker 5: You have to have a different president who understands the problem,

985
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Speaker 5: who then appoints a different CIA director who takes a

986
00:52:03,120 --> 00:52:07,799
Speaker 5: blowtorch to that place and just starts firing people. You

987
00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:10,440
Speaker 5: start with the HR departments. You work all the way

988
00:52:10,440 --> 00:52:13,399
Speaker 5: through the Department of Analysis. A lot of the folks,

989
00:52:13,719 --> 00:52:15,879
Speaker 5: a lot of the politics I've seen in that area.

990
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Speaker 5: B can speak to that. I'll tell you the operators

991
00:52:18,600 --> 00:52:21,080
Speaker 5: are becoming increasingly pulit a sized as well. You start

992
00:52:21,120 --> 00:52:23,880
Speaker 5: just firing people. And there's a lot of internal documents,

993
00:52:23,880 --> 00:52:25,720
Speaker 5: by the way, that you can scan through very quickly,

994
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:29,040
Speaker 5: through emails and such that show that degree of bias.

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Speaker 3: You can clean the place up. The bigger question is

996
00:52:31,560 --> 00:52:31,879
Speaker 3: do we.

997
00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:34,239
Speaker 5: Want to to what extent does the ICY or the

998
00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:37,760
Speaker 5: intelligence community actually provide value? Completely blue it in Afghanist

999
00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:40,760
Speaker 5: in terms of that assessment, but different leadership is bottom line.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna seize the mic back from my friend here

1001
00:52:43,120 --> 00:52:46,640
Speaker 3: to say that was an excellent answer and I entirely

1002
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Speaker 3: co sign on it. Good job Operations officer. What they

1003
00:52:49,719 --> 00:52:51,680
Speaker 3: say about you guys with the not so much reading,

1004
00:52:51,840 --> 00:52:54,600
Speaker 3: not true, Not true. You guys do a lot of

1005
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Speaker 3: the reading. This is what the analysis nerds. There's a

1006
00:52:57,880 --> 00:53:01,919
Speaker 3: lot of interagency smack talking for those of you who

1007
00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:05,040
Speaker 3: don't know that upfront. Brian Dean Right, everybody, Brian, where

1008
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Speaker 3: should they go for the podcast? To check it out?

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Speaker 3: It's the right the WRGHT Okay, the right report, Go

1010
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