WEBVTT - Rejecting Perfection (...and the Tariffs) 0:00:00.600 --> 0:00:04.120 The Black Fat Fem Podcast is a production of iHeartRadio 0:00:04.320 --> 0:00:08.399 and Doctor Sean Paul LLC. Hey, everyone, welcome to another 0:00:08.400 --> 0:00:11.840 episode of the Event podcast where all the intersections are Maddy, 0:00:11.880 --> 0:00:14.840 y'all celebrated, and I mean all of them. But I 0:00:14.880 --> 0:00:17.840 am one of your hosts, John also known as doctor 0:00:17.920 --> 0:00:22.319 John Paul, And honestly, I understand why ed Weena was 0:00:22.480 --> 0:00:26.400 always three seconds from yoking me and my brother up, 0:00:26.480 --> 0:00:32.080 because this adult and shit girl, this in this heye 0:00:32.440 --> 0:00:36.680 in this moment of time? Is this moment like I 0:00:36.720 --> 0:00:39.720 knew the nineties was bad and the two thousands was 0:00:39.960 --> 0:00:44.280 was rough. Twenty ten even I was like, ooh girl, 0:00:44.400 --> 0:00:47.200 this is a lot. But twenty twenty two and twenty 0:00:47.800 --> 0:00:50.559 dance to the twenty twenty whatever they called him, now 0:00:50.600 --> 0:00:51.640 the twenty twenty five. 0:00:52.159 --> 0:00:57.400 Get it, bitch? Why are we here? Wh Hawaii? 0:00:57.480 --> 0:00:58.760 Is we here? Anyway? How are you joho? 0:00:59.480 --> 0:01:03.560 Oh? My god, girl, y'all, it's your girl Jordan's Slash show. 0:01:06.000 --> 0:01:10.080 I am in Baltimore the Study of Charm, And tell 0:01:10.120 --> 0:01:14.240 me why it is humid and wet, like, why is 0:01:14.280 --> 0:01:16.600 it raining in a degree weather? And why is it 0:01:16.720 --> 0:01:20.560 warm rain? Why is it warm rain? Like I'm not 0:01:20.720 --> 0:01:23.080 built for this life, and yet here I am. The 0:01:23.120 --> 0:01:26.199 city is cute. Also this morning, tell me about the weather. 0:01:26.280 --> 0:01:29.720 I've said any thunderstorms all week. Today was sunny in 0:01:29.760 --> 0:01:31.600 the morning time and then it was pouring rare in 0:01:31.880 --> 0:01:34.440 the afternoon time, and that it's just thunderstorms. Make up 0:01:34.480 --> 0:01:39.280 your mind, girl, what are you well? I will it's. 0:01:38.160 --> 0:01:40.200 Cold here in California real quick. I just want to 0:01:40.240 --> 0:01:43.560 put that out there. It's like, literally, we've we've swapped weather, 0:01:43.640 --> 0:01:44.440 but go off. 0:01:44.560 --> 0:01:48.960 And I will say, it is so green here, but 0:01:49.040 --> 0:01:51.560 the Baltimore is still all the all the the lush, 0:01:51.560 --> 0:01:53.320 greener red from the work from from the world. 0:01:53.680 --> 0:01:55.000 Why the trees are damn green? 0:01:55.320 --> 0:01:57.560 It's so pretty, like the trees is not just green 0:01:57.600 --> 0:02:00.000 in California, in San Diego, this day in green here 0:02:00.040 --> 0:02:00.720 and I love it. 0:02:01.000 --> 0:02:03.360 But bitch, I am so tired. I am so Also, 0:02:03.440 --> 0:02:08.359 I am a I'm a a. I'm here for a conference. 0:02:09.160 --> 0:02:12.800 Not forget just how much conference is be taking a 0:02:12.840 --> 0:02:13.400 bitch down? 0:02:14.320 --> 0:02:18.280 Yeah, who will do it every time? But every time? 0:02:18.639 --> 0:02:22.920 But I'm I'm still here here and I'm not. 0:02:25.160 --> 0:02:26.360 On that note. Y'all. 0:02:26.520 --> 0:02:28.560 We okay, uch we do every week we give me 0:02:28.919 --> 0:02:31.519 camel her flowers and are still here segment as on 0:02:31.600 --> 0:02:34.240 a side, I've been rewatching my wife and kids and Martin, 0:02:34.600 --> 0:02:36.240 and she really eats up those roles. 0:02:36.280 --> 0:02:38.720 No one gives her her flowers, Campbell that. 0:02:39.160 --> 0:02:42.120 She is the star of that shing is. 0:02:42.639 --> 0:02:45.920 So to demonstrate that we are still here, I want 0:02:45.919 --> 0:02:48.359 to ask you, you know, we ask some questions about 0:02:48.600 --> 0:02:49.800 our girl Bee because. 0:02:49.520 --> 0:02:51.920 We we we we. 0:02:51.240 --> 0:02:53.720 We are here for bees is around these parts? Are 0:02:53.760 --> 0:02:56.400 you truly a part of the Beehive? And if so, 0:02:57.400 --> 0:02:59.639 if not, what what what lessons? 0:02:59.680 --> 0:03:01.000 Doug lessons? See what I did? 0:03:01.040 --> 0:03:02.239 There has been? 0:03:03.480 --> 0:03:03.760 What? 0:03:03.760 --> 0:03:04.000 What? 0:03:04.000 --> 0:03:08.760 What? What? What? Dia lessons? What? What? Sorry? I make 0:03:08.840 --> 0:03:11.320 sure my mind is my mind is not working? Who 0:03:11.600 --> 0:03:12.480 what that? What? 0:03:12.480 --> 0:03:12.679 What? 0:03:12.760 --> 0:03:14.400 Lessons have there been? And being in the Beehive. 0:03:14.880 --> 0:03:17.400 We talked a lot about our love for Beyonce around 0:03:17.400 --> 0:03:19.919 the show. We're talking about what but you know about 0:03:19.919 --> 0:03:22.200 being in a fandom and such. I want to know 0:03:22.280 --> 0:03:24.959 more for for us what that means for us? For me, 0:03:25.919 --> 0:03:30.600 I'll say, like, uh, I was I wasn't a Beehive member, 0:03:30.639 --> 0:03:34.320 probably until Lemonade. I always love you like to me 0:03:34.440 --> 0:03:38.400 b Days my favorite albums. Ever, I wasn't like I wouldn't. 0:03:38.520 --> 0:03:40.960 I wouldn't like Bee Hive member, but Lemonade came out 0:03:40.960 --> 0:03:43.040 and I said, like even when people people go crazy 0:03:43.120 --> 0:03:48.200 were self titled, tis not it's not my personal choice. 0:03:48.840 --> 0:03:52.320 When the Lemonade dropped, I said, oh, oh, I'm I'm in. 0:03:55.040 --> 0:03:57.520 It's not it's not not for me vibes, but I 0:03:57.560 --> 0:03:58.280 do love you. 0:03:58.960 --> 0:03:59.520 Do you love me? 0:04:00.320 --> 0:04:03.520 The Lemonade that she is amazing, And so I think 0:04:03.600 --> 0:04:06.720 right by the fandom is that like when people love Beyonce, 0:04:07.000 --> 0:04:08.720 Like I don't know, like I feel like everyoneho loves Beyonce. 0:04:08.920 --> 0:04:12.040 Just free people love Beyonce, you know, Like I feel 0:04:12.040 --> 0:04:13.560 like the people I meet high. 0:04:15.480 --> 0:04:19.320 People who like love me. I see I see a kit. 0:04:22.480 --> 0:04:25.520 I'm sorry that was so funny to me. Go ahead, 0:04:25.600 --> 0:04:27.680 I'm sorry, I'm so sorry that was so funny to me. 0:04:27.760 --> 0:04:32.160 I don't know why. 0:04:28.320 --> 0:04:38.960 That's yeah, Like I feel like that we have just 0:04:39.040 --> 0:04:40.960 like when I seeople want to be have I see 0:04:41.040 --> 0:04:44.479 people who like really love love of expressions, clebation. I 0:04:44.480 --> 0:04:46.880 think especially in the Bee I've now at like post 0:04:46.880 --> 0:04:50.200 Renaissance era and copy Coger, Like I'm seeing like all 0:04:50.320 --> 0:04:52.799 they have members who maybe felt like they were untapped, 0:04:52.880 --> 0:04:55.680 right like the queer folks and and and and and 0:04:56.080 --> 0:04:59.359 cowboy folks, and that just feels like that's just it. 0:04:59.720 --> 0:05:01.800 If the it feels so good, it feels so so 0:05:01.880 --> 0:05:05.200 good now and so much. I love us, I love 0:05:05.279 --> 0:05:12.360 us fun me a fine hot let's yes, yes, so 0:05:12.600 --> 0:05:14.000 I agree. I agree. 0:05:14.080 --> 0:05:17.160 I think being the president and CEO of the Beyonce 0:05:17.440 --> 0:05:20.599 be High Fag Club, I really think the Hive has 0:05:20.600 --> 0:05:23.680 really taught me this idea about why it's so important 0:05:23.720 --> 0:05:26.760 to protect your people, like I see like I'll see 0:05:26.800 --> 0:05:29.719 people say something out of pocket to beyond like about Beyonce, 0:05:30.000 --> 0:05:34.000 and the Hive will work together to not only take 0:05:34.040 --> 0:05:37.400 this person down, but also there's just this camaraderie of 0:05:37.480 --> 0:05:42.760 like we we protect everything Beyonce, her kids, her family. 0:05:42.920 --> 0:05:45.960 We don't really protect jay Z, which is okay because 0:05:46.000 --> 0:05:47.720 lying really I don't really see it for him like that. 0:05:47.920 --> 0:05:49.640 But I hope that one day she don't ever learn 0:05:49.720 --> 0:05:52.479 that about me. I don't really like your husband, girl. 0:05:53.240 --> 0:05:55.520 Oh and he's cool, but he's not that great anymore, 0:05:55.800 --> 0:05:59.400 very correct, says one of our producers. And so all 0:05:59.400 --> 0:06:01.039 that to be said that I kind of just eh, 0:06:01.160 --> 0:06:03.480 but when it comes to her right, we protect her 0:06:03.800 --> 0:06:06.640 I think for me it's this idea too, that her 0:06:06.680 --> 0:06:08.800 fandom has really taught me, this idea of like what 0:06:08.839 --> 0:06:15.120 it means to protect black joy, black artistry, black like creativity, 0:06:15.560 --> 0:06:19.160 black children, right, like the ways that I see people 0:06:20.160 --> 0:06:23.520 telling other white folks who critique Roomy and Blue to 0:06:23.680 --> 0:06:27.320 knock it off. The ways that I've seen people write 0:06:27.680 --> 0:06:30.120 like really some really good stories about and again we're 0:06:30.120 --> 0:06:32.279 going to get into it in our next segment talking 0:06:32.320 --> 0:06:35.560 about the ways of perfectionism, how people really break all 0:06:35.600 --> 0:06:37.800 of that down. I think for me, the work that 0:06:37.839 --> 0:06:40.640 comes to me is accountability, Like being in the Beehive 0:06:40.720 --> 0:06:43.159 has really taught me how to hold people accountable for 0:06:43.240 --> 0:06:45.560 the things that they say and do, and it really 0:06:45.560 --> 0:06:47.960 has helped me also to really check my misogyny and 0:06:48.000 --> 0:06:51.120 my massogyn the war that I take in because this 0:06:51.200 --> 0:06:54.599 world is trash, and I think it's just it's really 0:06:54.600 --> 0:06:56.920 cool to be a part of a community that really 0:06:57.120 --> 0:06:59.719 not only holds you accountable, but also allows you like 0:06:59.760 --> 0:07:01.760 I was I was telling someone earlier today, like going 0:07:01.760 --> 0:07:03.240 to Cowboy Carter, and I know you're going to be 0:07:03.240 --> 0:07:05.080 going in a couple of days. And by the time 0:07:05.120 --> 0:07:09.040 you all hear this, we have both gone. We're just 0:07:09.200 --> 0:07:10.840 we're kind of putting it out there. We're recording a 0:07:10.880 --> 0:07:13.600 little early this time around, but I was gonna say, 0:07:13.600 --> 0:07:15.880 by the time you all hear this, you know, even 0:07:15.880 --> 0:07:19.000 with Cowboy Carter still being on, it's really cool to 0:07:19.120 --> 0:07:21.960 just see the space that's been created for us to 0:07:22.080 --> 0:07:25.320 cosplay and not feel bad for getting into our our 0:07:25.360 --> 0:07:27.800 best garments and going to the tour and wanting to 0:07:27.840 --> 0:07:29.840 have a really good time. So I don't know, I 0:07:29.920 --> 0:07:31.800 just I feel like the behalf. Like you said, freedom 0:07:31.920 --> 0:07:34.400 is a really good word. Accountability is a really good word, 0:07:34.680 --> 0:07:37.960 and I think both of them, both of those those 0:07:38.000 --> 0:07:40.440 concepts have really helped me kind of evolve into the 0:07:40.440 --> 0:07:46.600 bad bitch that I am. So yes, godness, So all right, y'all. Well, 0:07:46.600 --> 0:07:49.160 with that being said, while I go change my spurs 0:07:49.400 --> 0:07:53.120 and find some more boots and and and my renaissance 0:07:53.120 --> 0:07:54.480 fan chiad, I still don't know where the hell that 0:07:54.560 --> 0:07:59.160 renaissance fan is. We are going to take a quick 0:07:59.160 --> 0:08:02.120 break and come back with the category for this week segment. 0:08:02.160 --> 0:08:13.040 We'll be back in a second, okay, y'all. So we 0:08:13.280 --> 0:08:16.160 are black and back, and this week for the category 0:08:16.200 --> 0:08:19.520 of a segment, we are talking about this concept of perfectionism. 0:08:19.600 --> 0:08:21.559 So I want to I want to posit this and say, 0:08:21.840 --> 0:08:23.480 Jordan has not been to the show. I said that 0:08:23.600 --> 0:08:27.320 earlier I have, but a lot of even like, this 0:08:27.400 --> 0:08:31.440 conversation is not specifically about the show. This conversation is 0:08:31.480 --> 0:08:34.280 specifically about the ways that the world has responded to 0:08:34.320 --> 0:08:36.560 the show and specific parts of the show. And so 0:08:36.679 --> 0:08:38.640 I'm pretty sure you've already seen the clips show. You've 0:08:38.640 --> 0:08:42.600 seen the clips of of you know, blue dancing and 0:08:42.640 --> 0:08:45.000 the clip of Roomy being on the stage and people 0:08:45.120 --> 0:08:47.800 just going ham and you know, on the videos and 0:08:47.840 --> 0:08:49.840 on the comments talking really poorly about them, And it 0:08:49.920 --> 0:08:52.280 made me stop as I was as I was reflecting 0:08:52.280 --> 0:08:54.520 on the show. It made me stop and think about 0:08:54.520 --> 0:08:57.640 this notion of how the world participates in the com 0:08:57.920 --> 0:09:00.800 like how the world feeds into the idea that blackness 0:09:01.000 --> 0:09:05.000 has to equal perfectionism, and the different ways that we 0:09:05.080 --> 0:09:08.520 talk about black freedom per se, Like, I feel like 0:09:08.520 --> 0:09:10.640 that word is going to be very salient in this conversation. 0:09:10.679 --> 0:09:13.640 And so this notion of like black excellence and how 0:09:13.960 --> 0:09:17.160 daunting it can be specifically on our bodies and on 0:09:17.160 --> 0:09:19.480 our mental like even hearing people talk about Beyonce not 0:09:19.559 --> 0:09:21.280 dancing as much as she used to on the tour. 0:09:21.960 --> 0:09:25.320 This notion of like why it feels like even when 0:09:26.440 --> 0:09:30.840 our children or black people like do the best or 0:09:30.960 --> 0:09:33.760 or do something really really cool, there's always someone that's like, oh, 0:09:33.800 --> 0:09:37.079 you can one up that more, you can do that better, 0:09:37.400 --> 0:09:39.000 and so it just you know, I just want I 0:09:39.000 --> 0:09:42.120 would love to like engage that conversation around perfectionism and 0:09:42.160 --> 0:09:46.640 how you know, Black excellence has pressed its perfectionist thumb 0:09:46.760 --> 0:09:49.439 up against your head, So what are some ways that 0:09:49.520 --> 0:09:51.680 you feel, like, you know, perfectionism has shown up for 0:09:51.720 --> 0:09:53.520 you and like how do you really deal with that? 0:09:53.920 --> 0:09:55.400 Damn damn? 0:09:56.000 --> 0:10:02.000 Well, all right, it's yeah, you know what we do here. 0:10:02.559 --> 0:10:05.880 I like who I think they're Like there's levels to 0:10:05.960 --> 0:10:08.800 this ship, you know. Like yeah, when I'm like, wh 0:10:08.840 --> 0:10:11.400 I'm thinking of like blue, like blue and roomy, right, 0:10:11.440 --> 0:10:13.240 and like like when I'm thinking about them in the 0:10:13.320 --> 0:10:17.920 terms of how people are reacting to them in the 0:10:17.960 --> 0:10:20.880 show and the da of like black excellence and perfectionism, 0:10:21.400 --> 0:10:24.920 when I think of like first child syndrome, like I'm 0:10:24.920 --> 0:10:28.920 really curious about right, like right, like blue blue for 0:10:28.960 --> 0:10:29.559 so long, like. 0:10:29.880 --> 0:10:31.120 Was Destiny's child? 0:10:31.360 --> 0:10:35.880 Right, Like everyone's like like people people anything about It's 0:10:35.920 --> 0:10:37.920 like it's kind of like strange and manning, right, like 0:10:38.120 --> 0:10:41.760 people put a lot of pressure and emphasis on Blue 0:10:42.360 --> 0:10:47.200 like being the child and still do right And and 0:10:47.320 --> 0:10:49.800 you really see in Renaissance that I watched the film 0:10:49.800 --> 0:10:52.080 when it was in theaters, right, how much Being has 0:10:52.200 --> 0:10:53.880 talked about that as well too, like she hasn't had 0:10:53.880 --> 0:10:54.920 a struggle like how I have. 0:10:55.200 --> 0:10:56.480 And I don't want her to. 0:10:58.080 --> 0:11:00.679 R and how she was disappointed when someone had let 0:11:00.760 --> 0:11:03.040 Blue see the comments about her after the first show 0:11:03.080 --> 0:11:06.640 of her choreography, and and yeah that also made her 0:11:06.679 --> 0:11:09.080 like work hard and stuff. But like but you know, 0:11:09.240 --> 0:11:12.199 like oftentimes, right, like the first child takes a brunt 0:11:12.200 --> 0:11:14.280 of the ship from the parents and that and the 0:11:15.040 --> 0:11:18.480 subsequent children get to be more free in some ways, 0:11:18.559 --> 0:11:21.480 you know, And so I think that's that's like that 0:11:21.480 --> 0:11:24.679 that's like one layer. I think, like, you know, innocence 0:11:25.480 --> 0:11:28.959 looks like looks different for for them, right, like like 0:11:28.960 --> 0:11:33.920 like like seeing me looks so innocent does and does 0:11:34.000 --> 0:11:38.200 write but Blue also like but Blue also always came 0:11:38.240 --> 0:11:41.080 out like like I always think of what it was 0:11:41.080 --> 0:11:42.280 like I want to say it was like. 0:11:43.960 --> 0:11:47.120 I don't know, is it the Grammys or something, but 0:11:47.200 --> 0:11:48.920 it is this her parents. 0:11:49.600 --> 0:11:53.319 She's like she puts the hands on them right right, 0:11:53.360 --> 0:11:56.360 Like Blue has also always been manager, always been manager, 0:11:56.720 --> 0:11:59.439 has always been you know, and you know, and I 0:11:59.760 --> 0:12:02.640 also so I also wanted to write like like I 0:12:02.640 --> 0:12:05.160 I forget how how her prendances with Blue was. I 0:12:05.160 --> 0:12:07.920 remember her talking about their her pregnancy with me and sir, 0:12:07.960 --> 0:12:10.839 how challenging was for her right and how and how 0:12:10.880 --> 0:12:13.080 like she as a backmen she was actually was endangered 0:12:13.360 --> 0:12:16.920 still like with the with like lack of proper like 0:12:17.280 --> 0:12:20.840 you know, healthcare and so you know. So I also 0:12:20.920 --> 0:12:23.920 wonder like like like did that impact to her of 0:12:23.960 --> 0:12:26.640 like these kids troubled to even get here, so like 0:12:26.720 --> 0:12:29.080 so I like, like I want them to also feel 0:12:29.080 --> 0:12:31.920 that they'essent right, we see a lot of roomy but 0:12:31.960 --> 0:12:34.080 not a lot of sir, like, like where's certain all this? 0:12:34.160 --> 0:12:37.760 I think I also have questions too, you know, and like 0:12:37.040 --> 0:12:39.880 and I'm not trying to spend as much time talking 0:12:39.920 --> 0:12:41.000 about like people's kids. 0:12:41.000 --> 0:12:42.720 I also was wading to tell people of kids like 0:12:42.720 --> 0:12:43.400 this as well too. 0:12:44.040 --> 0:12:45.560 But I think if we were like like I like, 0:12:45.600 --> 0:12:48.760 I see them as kids, and I think like the 0:12:48.800 --> 0:12:52.760 idea of excellence and perfectionism. People so like people are 0:12:52.760 --> 0:12:54.880 like Blue was so amazing, Blue is so dope, but 0:12:54.960 --> 0:12:56.640 it was also twelve years old. And like, as much 0:12:56.679 --> 0:12:59.360 as I think Blue was amazing, yeah, as much as 0:12:59.360 --> 0:13:01.400 I'm stopped that lose hitting the choreography, much as I'm 0:13:01.400 --> 0:13:04.120 like Blue, like you know, like and one's like in 0:13:04.160 --> 0:13:05.880 two more years, she'll be at her mom's level. 0:13:06.280 --> 0:13:08.439 In two more years, should be fourteen. I do not 0:13:08.520 --> 0:13:10.120 want her to be I want it. 0:13:10.640 --> 0:13:11.160 She shouldn't be. 0:13:11.320 --> 0:13:12.280 She wants too good for her. 0:13:12.280 --> 0:13:14.320 I'm happy for her, like I want Blue to also 0:13:14.480 --> 0:13:15.760 just to be a kid, Like I want Blue to 0:13:15.840 --> 0:13:18.640 like not feel the pressure to do that either, and 0:13:18.800 --> 0:13:21.440 like right on their upholding the idea of like a 0:13:21.480 --> 0:13:24.960 black child should be like right, blush out of the 0:13:24.960 --> 0:13:29.600 most arguably powerful person in the world culturally is more 0:13:29.640 --> 0:13:32.800 held to the standard of like having to be perfectionism. 0:13:32.920 --> 0:13:33.839 Yep, yep, yep, yep. 0:13:34.520 --> 0:13:36.800 You know so I think about it, right, So you know, 0:13:36.840 --> 0:13:38.760 we if you've listened to our show or if you've 0:13:38.760 --> 0:13:41.839 been following our show, we did a conversation. I forget 0:13:41.840 --> 0:13:44.360 what episode it was, but we talked about Cowboy Carter 0:13:44.440 --> 0:13:45.760 and one of the things we did is we did 0:13:45.920 --> 0:13:47.840 kind of a breakdown of each of the songs, and 0:13:47.880 --> 0:13:50.120 even with sixteen carriages, right as as I listened to 0:13:50.160 --> 0:13:52.360 sixteen characters, like, there's a part of me that's like, 0:13:52.800 --> 0:13:54.679 I hear what Beyonce is sang in that song, and 0:13:54.760 --> 0:13:57.760 I feel it so much, And I pray that her 0:13:57.840 --> 0:13:59.920 kids never have to feel that right like I never. 0:14:00.120 --> 0:14:02.840 I pray, I actually pray for all black kids to 0:14:02.920 --> 0:14:05.760 never have to feel that song per se right, to 0:14:05.800 --> 0:14:07.600 feel like they had to give up so much of 0:14:07.640 --> 0:14:11.080 their youngness and their youth, you know, to be to 0:14:11.200 --> 0:14:13.960 work right like Beyonce is sanging that song right Like, 0:14:14.040 --> 0:14:17.160 I'm basically on the road helping my family. I'm helping 0:14:17.160 --> 0:14:20.160 my family get out you know, I'm gonna say get 0:14:20.160 --> 0:14:21.920 out of poverty. Because we know that Beyonce didn't come 0:14:21.920 --> 0:14:25.840 from poverty. But we also know that Beyonce's parents, you know, 0:14:26.080 --> 0:14:28.120 her mother gave up persal on, her father gave up 0:14:28.160 --> 0:14:30.280 his job. I think he was an insurance broker something 0:14:30.320 --> 0:14:33.840 like that. And literally they basically said, we're gonna pour 0:14:33.880 --> 0:14:35.920 all of our energy into Beyonce. And yes, they were 0:14:35.920 --> 0:14:38.560 in a privileged place, but the reality of the matter 0:14:38.680 --> 0:14:41.120 was like in order for Beyonce felt like there was 0:14:41.200 --> 0:14:44.200 this thing on her at the age of like fourteen 0:14:44.240 --> 0:14:47.040 fifteen years old that she had to be perfect and 0:14:47.160 --> 0:14:50.000 be good at it all so that way she could 0:14:50.000 --> 0:14:52.840 help her parents and lift her her family up. That 0:14:52.960 --> 0:14:54.960 pressure is something that we all feel. And so I 0:14:55.320 --> 0:14:58.440 that's the reason why I positive this right as a 0:14:58.960 --> 0:15:02.440 talking point for us our show, because I see how 0:15:02.480 --> 0:15:05.120 we do that to black kids. I see how we 0:15:05.200 --> 0:15:09.680 do that to black youth specifically and making them feel 0:15:09.720 --> 0:15:12.440 like and again, and it's not just a black issue, right, 0:15:12.440 --> 0:15:14.200 I'm just you know, obviously this is a black ass show, 0:15:14.240 --> 0:15:15.840 so we're going to talk about it from the black person. 0:15:16.480 --> 0:15:19.400 But I think marginalized kids in general we have this 0:15:19.600 --> 0:15:23.880 onus of feeling like we have to always excel in 0:15:24.040 --> 0:15:27.400 every single thing that we do because the white eye, 0:15:27.440 --> 0:15:29.360 like the white people are looking at us, the white 0:15:29.400 --> 0:15:32.440 people are going to critique us if we show up 0:15:32.560 --> 0:15:34.720 half as good to it. And so that's you know, 0:15:34.800 --> 0:15:36.440 that's just like I said, I think there's two things 0:15:36.440 --> 0:15:40.200 that are here. The expectation that we put on black creators, children, artists, 0:15:40.280 --> 0:15:43.480 all those things because we know that we're better than 0:15:43.480 --> 0:15:46.280 the oppressor. And knowing that the oppressor will never be 0:15:46.320 --> 0:15:49.400 able to touch us with a ten football. And then 0:15:49.560 --> 0:15:52.720 we have this thing of how they constantly how youth 0:15:52.800 --> 0:15:56.120 black youth are constantly being told that nothing they do 0:15:56.160 --> 0:15:57.920 will ever be good enough, so you have to work 0:15:57.960 --> 0:16:00.320 twice as hard just to get as far. Even at 0:16:00.320 --> 0:16:02.520 my big age of forty, I still feel that, right like, 0:16:02.560 --> 0:16:06.120 even looking at our podcast numbers pressure that means you 0:16:06.200 --> 0:16:10.320 have talked about off air of often sure that are 0:16:10.440 --> 0:16:11.960 you know, we've got to get the awards and we 0:16:11.960 --> 0:16:13.240 got to get our numbers up it. We got to 0:16:13.240 --> 0:16:16.240 do this. And I know that that's not coming from 0:16:16.720 --> 0:16:18.720 I want to make that very clear in case you 0:16:18.720 --> 0:16:20.600 know our team is listening, right, I want to make 0:16:20.600 --> 0:16:22.640 it very clear that this is not coming from iHeart 0:16:22.680 --> 0:16:27.200 per se. But there is still this idea of when 0:16:27.200 --> 0:16:29.440 we came into this, right like, if your show is 0:16:29.520 --> 0:16:32.520 not good enough, it can be canceled. And it didn't 0:16:32.520 --> 0:16:35.760 come from our team. It just comes from the world 0:16:35.880 --> 0:16:38.680 that we live in as black people and black people 0:16:38.680 --> 0:16:41.160 that if your show is not quote unquote the best 0:16:41.200 --> 0:16:44.880 show ever, or it's not the most the most awarded show, 0:16:45.280 --> 0:16:48.240 it's not a good show, you know, And so I 0:16:48.400 --> 0:16:52.960 just you know, I hate that we're here. I hate 0:16:52.960 --> 0:16:56.640 that we're here. I hate that the world keeps projecting 0:16:56.920 --> 0:17:00.400 their insecurities onto a seven year old than an eight 0:17:00.480 --> 0:17:02.680 year old and a twelve year old child, you know. 0:17:04.240 --> 0:17:05.800 And I want to be clear too, the reason why 0:17:05.800 --> 0:17:07.520 we don't see Sir, I want to make that also 0:17:07.600 --> 0:17:09.560 very clear. It's no shade. The reason why we don't 0:17:09.560 --> 0:17:12.679 see Sir is because Sir doesn't like the attention. And 0:17:12.720 --> 0:17:14.800 I think that's the reason why we don't see him. 0:17:14.960 --> 0:17:17.479 It is because for whatever reason, we don't know what 0:17:17.520 --> 0:17:20.840 the full reason is. But Beyonce has said, Sir is 0:17:20.880 --> 0:17:24.040 not roomy or Blue. Sir does not like the attention, 0:17:24.160 --> 0:17:27.080 and they honor that, and I love for that. 0:17:27.480 --> 0:17:30.520 Which I think is I mean, like like lately greate parenting. 0:17:30.560 --> 0:17:33.560 Like again, if you watch Renaissance, right like Blue was 0:17:33.600 --> 0:17:35.520 asking to be on stage and Beyonce was like no, 0:17:35.600 --> 0:17:38.119 like I don't want you to be on stage. And 0:17:38.200 --> 0:17:41.560 then and then Blue was like, let's negotiate, girl, I 0:17:41.560 --> 0:17:44.120 want to be on stage, and Beyonce said like if 0:17:44.119 --> 0:17:46.159 you want to do this, and you can do this, 0:17:46.240 --> 0:17:47.639 and like then like okay, girl, do it, and like 0:17:47.680 --> 0:17:50.120 see what happens right and like and the and then 0:17:50.119 --> 0:17:52.960 obviously when people coming from Blue Beyonce was like, I 0:17:53.000 --> 0:17:54.840 hate that you saw this and I always sing but 0:17:54.880 --> 0:17:57.560 Blue Blue was like, Noga, I got this and it 0:17:57.560 --> 0:17:59.920 has come out and slayed the game every single time, 0:18:00.000 --> 0:18:02.240 which I think is like super super dope. But I think, 0:18:02.640 --> 0:18:05.920 you know, like like I appreciate the parenting that they're 0:18:05.920 --> 0:18:09.360 giving of saying but because like it'd be so easy 0:18:10.240 --> 0:18:13.720 as famous parents to then try and profit off their 0:18:13.840 --> 0:18:17.120 kids as well, which I which I love, because they're 0:18:17.160 --> 0:18:17.960 saying like like. 0:18:18.040 --> 0:18:19.760 We don't need a profit off of our kids. 0:18:19.760 --> 0:18:22.040 Like they're like we profitable already, we don't need to 0:18:22.040 --> 0:18:24.480 make more off of our kids, and we refuse to 0:18:24.560 --> 0:18:27.680 make them. We've refused to make them perform and let's 0:18:27.680 --> 0:18:31.480 be honest, perform for the white gays like like they 0:18:31.600 --> 0:18:34.080 just don't just make make make a book right like 0:18:34.080 --> 0:18:37.600 like she like like she she she she even said 0:18:38.000 --> 0:18:40.760 she went said in her song, Boss, my great grandchildren 0:18:40.760 --> 0:18:42.280 already rich. That's a lot of it was a lot 0:18:42.280 --> 0:18:46.199 of children on your Forbes list, like she like she 0:18:46.320 --> 0:18:48.560 is like I taken care of my my my family, 0:18:48.560 --> 0:18:52.640 fat family for generations. Now they need to do what 0:18:52.720 --> 0:18:55.320 they want to do and not what they have to do, 0:18:55.359 --> 0:18:58.080 which I think is have to really really really really politial, 0:18:58.359 --> 0:18:59.600 you know, which does. 0:18:59.520 --> 0:19:02.639 Like leading to another question as well. 0:19:02.640 --> 0:19:04.120 But but also why we walk back to your point 0:19:04.119 --> 0:19:06.320 about right, right, like like us as blot folks having 0:19:06.359 --> 0:19:08.800 if like we have to meet our numbers, right, Like 0:19:08.880 --> 0:19:10.919 we know that the country we live and exists in 0:19:11.560 --> 0:19:14.080 runs off of meeting your metrics. It runs off of metrics, 0:19:14.080 --> 0:19:15.879 it runs off of the impact, runs off evaluation, it 0:19:15.960 --> 0:19:18.360 runs off of us mediur numbers, and so like, yeah, 0:19:18.359 --> 0:19:22.240 it's a very real thing that we weekly are like, hey, what. 0:19:22.119 --> 0:19:24.240 Can we do to people, to people to be people 0:19:24.280 --> 0:19:25.159 to be more engaged with us? 0:19:25.240 --> 0:19:28.359 Right, even though our quality of engagement is so good, 0:19:28.760 --> 0:19:30.480 so many we have like amazing people who listen to 0:19:30.520 --> 0:19:33.399