Speaker 1: Fuck it, We'll do it live. We'll do it live.
Speaker 1: I'm Bill O'Riley and this is the O'Reilly Factor podcast.
Speaker 1: What Sophie, remember beverage in man if I spill it
Speaker 1: during this, I'm gonna be really mad at you. Well,
Speaker 1: everyone's mad at Bill O'Riley because he speaks the truth, Sophie,
Speaker 1: I'm mad at you. Well, that's fair. This is Behind
Speaker 1: the Bastards, a podcast about the worst people in all
Speaker 1: of history, one of whom is in fact, Bill O'Riley. Um.
Speaker 1: But we are we are not talking about Bill O'Riley today.
Speaker 1: We are instead talking about Bobby Fisher. Chess Nazi Um
Speaker 1: also featured in the Hilltop Hood song Cosby Sweater, which
Speaker 1: is not about Bill Cosby's crimes. It's actually a reference
Speaker 1: to Biggie. So it's okay, it's fine, you can enjoy
Speaker 1: the song. Mia. How are you doing doing? Okay, We're
Speaker 1: we're we're heading into the downhill stretch of this this
Speaker 1: Friday afternoon, and also the downhill stretch of the life
Speaker 1: of one Bobby Fisher. So it's good, that's good. I
Speaker 1: am ready for it to be the downhill stretch of
Speaker 1: Bobby Fisher's life. Unfortunately, it gets really bad before it
Speaker 1: gets over. So it hasn't been good yet, so it's
Speaker 1: gonna have we we it's only getting worse out. Okay,
Speaker 1: well let's uh, let's right ruin my Friday afternoon please,
Speaker 1: So all right, when when when we last left, when
Speaker 1: we last left, the hero of American chess, Bobby Fisher
Speaker 1: was the hero of the free world, the chess World champion.
Speaker 1: And also like people are just like like just just
Speaker 1: dropping piles of money on him, and he refuses to
Speaker 1: pick any of it up. He does just no promotions.
Speaker 1: Everyone wants to pay him and he's just like no,
Speaker 1: he does do one thing after this, and that one
Speaker 1: that one offer that he does take is to go
Speaker 1: play a tournament in the Philippines in nineteen seventy three,
Speaker 1: and this is where Fisher gets into the business he's
Speaker 1: going to be in for the rest of his life,
Speaker 1: which is the dictator business. Now, okay, it's important to
Speaker 1: note that this is the year nineteen seventy three, right,
Speaker 1: this is the year after future pod subject Ferdinand Marcos
Speaker 1: Stages military comb became a dictator of the Philippines. Uh.
Speaker 1: He is about to torture while, but he has a
Speaker 1: right torture people. He's going to torture tens of thousands
Speaker 1: of people. He's going to inflict a rate of terror
Speaker 1: or the beleaguer people of the Philippines. And Fisher just
Speaker 1: spends this whole tournament there like hanging out with Marcos
Speaker 1: and his wife. And that sounds like that sounds like
Speaker 1: one of the worst dinners imaginable. Apparently, I'm sure he
Speaker 1: liked it. I'm saying it sounds like one of like
Speaker 1: the dinner conversation. Um just just absolute like trashed here.
Speaker 1: Oh god, yeah, no one is ever well, actually that's
Speaker 1: not true. They did. They did actually accused Bobby Fisher
Speaker 1: of having good taste before he proved them wrong. But
Speaker 1: it's you know, he he like this is one of
Speaker 1: the places that like always sort of sticks with Bobby Fisher,
Speaker 1: like he he he likes the Philippines so much that
Speaker 1: like he's gonna mooove here eventually. And Fisher's reaction to
Speaker 1: you know, the markets statorships like this rules, I love it,
Speaker 1: um And eventually look at Chterman ends he is back
Speaker 1: to the US, and there's good news and bad news.
Speaker 1: The good news is that he breaks with the Church
Speaker 1: of God because their doomsday prophecies keep failing. He's literally
Speaker 1: the only guy to ever Yeah, it really just is like, okay, world,
Speaker 1: the prophecy number four, like none of them are working.
Speaker 1: So he gets So that's the good news. Yeah, he's
Speaker 1: out of the cult. The bad news is that one
Speaker 1: of the first things he does when he comes back
Speaker 1: to California is buy a copy of the Protocols of
Speaker 1: the elms Ion. Oh good, Yeah, no, that's that's that's
Speaker 1: that's great. The great move body. This is going to
Speaker 1: send him in some good directions, I think, because so
Speaker 1: far my main problem with this guy is he's not
Speaker 1: yet key Din enough on esoteric Nazi propagand Okay, so
Speaker 1: the other book that he gets is called Nature's Eternal
Speaker 1: Religion by Ben Klassen. Who Now that's that's that's actually esoteric.
Speaker 1: Very good. Yeah, he's like a weirdo. He's a really
Speaker 1: fanatical like racist nanti Semma. He's one of these guys
Speaker 1: who was like, like Christianity is actually Jewish, so it's
Speaker 1: it's it's not like white enough, so he needs to
Speaker 1: be like not Christians. And he's even he's the founder
Speaker 1: of Okay, So the thing that he founds is the
Speaker 1: World Church of the Creator, which concerns in the creativity movement,
Speaker 1: and they're they're most famous for producing the mass shooter
Speaker 1: Ben Smith. And I need to make a note here.
Speaker 1: This is not the shooter named the mass shooter named
Speaker 1: Ben Smith from Portland from last year. This is a
Speaker 1: completely unrelated mass shooting in Ben Smith from Look, if
Speaker 1: you're listening to this podcast and you're also a Ben Smith,
Speaker 1: your asses, we got an eye on you, motherfucker, be careful.
Speaker 1: Don't do any bad things. Yeah, please God, we don't
Speaker 1: need we don't need a third bend. It was played
Speaker 1: out after the first time, It was played out before
Speaker 1: the first time. One the third time is not the charm.
Speaker 1: Do not enough enough with the Ben Smith anyway, it
Speaker 1: makes Smith just a normal name again. This this Ben
Speaker 1: Smith goes on just like a murderous rampage, shooting black,
Speaker 1: Jewish and Asian people before just like going out like
Speaker 1: a tiny baby in a car chase. And at this one.
Speaker 1: But Bobby is getting like real weird with nanti Semitism.
Speaker 1: He sends this to Jewish friends, a copy of a
Speaker 1: book called The Secret World Government by Oh God. Actually Okay,
Speaker 1: I have confidence I can kind of do this name
Speaker 1: major General, Count Chirrup Spira Danovich, which, by the way, no,
Speaker 1: that's not a name. I'm sorry, I'm sorry you you
Speaker 1: need to walk me through how that fucking thing is spelled,
Speaker 1: because I simply don't believe it's c H E R
Speaker 1: E P dash s P I r I d O
Speaker 1: v I c H What kind of fucking what sorry?
Speaker 1: What kind of places this motherfucker from? This? This this,
Speaker 1: this guy is a Russian white, Russian white will he
Speaker 1: was originally a Russian admiral and then like a Russian
Speaker 1: white army. Yeah, yeah, he's so he's in the fucking prosarist. Yeah. Look,
Speaker 1: you're not gonna hear me stand up for the Bolsheviks
Speaker 1: all that often, but oh my god, that those people suck.
Speaker 1: Like my look, anyone any any culture that's putting out
Speaker 1: names like that, you're gonna have to line some people
Speaker 1: up in a basement. I'm sorry. It's the only thing
Speaker 1: to do with names like that. This is one of
Speaker 1: those guys who like they absolutely should have shot he's not.
Speaker 1: He's like unacceptable name. Yeah. Well, also he's like he's
Speaker 1: like a major guy who's he's he's basically like an
Speaker 1: anti Semitism organizer. So that sounds right for the White army. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So so he writes this book about how a Jewish
Speaker 1: Mongol cabal is running the world. Oh sure, yeah, no,
Speaker 1: they now that honestly. That that's I actually, I'm back
Speaker 1: to having respect for this guy, because that is not
Speaker 1: one I have heard of every kind of Jewish cabal
Speaker 1: except for a Jewish Mongol cabal. That's very good, I think,
Speaker 1: I actually I I okay, my, my, my. My understanding
Speaker 1: of this is that this this is the thing about
Speaker 1: like there are certain kinds of Yeah, there's a like
Speaker 1: kinds of Russian nationalists who are like insane about the Mongolia,
Speaker 1: like the invasions, and there's I mean a big, a
Speaker 1: big part of especially this era of anti I mean
Speaker 1: it it bleeds through to today. But one of the
Speaker 1: big things Hitler would talk about is the idea that
Speaker 1: like all forms of social justice and tolerance are Jewish
Speaker 1: plots and the Mongols, for all of their flaws, we're
Speaker 1: pretty tolerant of other religions rights like that. That was
Speaker 1: like a factor in their governance, like they didn't really care. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean you believed yeah they okay, like they did
Speaker 1: of genocides, but not because it's their their motive genocides.
Speaker 1: Are you a pastoralist or not? Which is a different,
Speaker 1: a very different thing from and stuff. I can see
Speaker 1: someone being like, well, the Mongols were tolerant of other religions,
Speaker 1: and uh so that's part of this, like Judeo Bolshevik
Speaker 1: conspiracy to water down Orthodox Christendom because he thinks the
Speaker 1: Mongols are like still like, it's a it's a it's
Speaker 1: a Mongol Jewish. I don't know if he's he's very weird.
Speaker 1: It's like the Mongol equivalent of the guys who think
Speaker 1: that the Queen of England still secretly rules the world.
Speaker 1: I I don't know. I I didn't read this book
Speaker 1: because I was like, I'm not I can't. I have
Speaker 1: I read so much bullshit for this Episode's like absolutely not.
Speaker 1: Find a find a Mongol and ask them are you
Speaker 1: secretly running the world? I? Well, I have family intermo.
Speaker 1: Do your own research. It's not an actual Mongolia, but
Speaker 1: it's pretty close. I could probably get across the border.
Speaker 1: I have always wanted to go. I want to go
Speaker 1: specifically for Nadam, which is like this this big multi
Speaker 1: day everybody goes to the city Ulan Batar and they
Speaker 1: wrestle and do horseback archery and drink heavily, and it
Speaker 1: sounds like exactly the kind of thing that I want
Speaker 1: to do. Yeah, sounds like unfortunately back and things that
Speaker 1: don't rip Fisher like he's just full on, like like
Speaker 1: Entry's Nazi crank phase. Like he well, okay, so I
Speaker 1: point out that book you were talking about. He sends
Speaker 1: that to like a Jewish couple who's been his friends
Speaker 1: since like childhood, and they just stopped talking to him
Speaker 1: because they're like, Bobby, what the fuck. He also like
Speaker 1: people keep trying to write books about him, and he
Speaker 1: keeps trying to sue them because he's like, no one
Speaker 1: can write about me unless they're me. And everyone's like,
Speaker 1: that's that's not how the law works, That's not how
Speaker 1: writing works, Bobby. Yeah, sorry, okay. And you know the
Speaker 1: sort of peak of this is in any in seventy five,
Speaker 1: He's supposed to defend his world championship, right, and Manila
Speaker 1: offers five million dollars to host the events like a
Speaker 1: pr thing for his old buddy, for Marcos, and this
Speaker 1: is this is still this is twenty seven million dollars
Speaker 1: in today's money, which is like and in the night
Speaker 1: seventy five, Like that is a that is a truly
Speaker 1: terrifying amount of money. And Bobby is like, no, I
Speaker 1: will not play this tournament unless you agree to change
Speaker 1: the format of like the championship to this weird format
Speaker 1: where like, okay, so normally the way scoring works in
Speaker 1: chess is if you get to if you have a draw,
Speaker 1: both players get half a point and if you and
Speaker 1: if you win, you get one point. And you're trying
Speaker 1: to get to like a certain number of points. Bobby
Speaker 1: is like, no, no, no draws, no longer give you
Speaker 1: any points. You play an unlimited number of games, you
Speaker 1: get the ten wins, and if they both are at
Speaker 1: nine nine, it's like there's a draw. And Fisher keeps
Speaker 1: being the champion and is like okay, like it sounds
Speaker 1: a little stacked in his favor, like he was complaining
Speaker 1: about the Russians being yeah, yeah, and and Fiene is
Speaker 1: like okay, like whatever, fine, like well we'll we'll, we'll
Speaker 1: let you do this, like thing is kind of a
Speaker 1: normal There have been rules previously where like if the
Speaker 1: score is a tie, the world champion keeps being the
Speaker 1: world champion because they haven't been defeated. But but Feene
Speaker 1: is like, okay, we cannot let you play an infinite
Speaker 1: number of games, because if like you can act, you
Speaker 1: could actually just get an infinite number of games, right,
Speaker 1: because chess draws a lot, and Fine is like, come on, man, like,
Speaker 1: well we'll cap it at thirty six games that that's enough,
Speaker 1: and Fee and Fisher is like, okay, you do this
Speaker 1: or I'm out, and the chess federations like, okay, he's bluffing, right,
Speaker 1: he'll come around eventually. Fisher, instead of doing that, resigns
Speaker 1: his title because he says FIDE won't let me defend it,
Speaker 1: so I'm resigning, which like that he's not what happens Like,
Speaker 1: it's not the Fee didn't let you defend your title,
Speaker 1: it's you refuse to play unless they stacked the rules
Speaker 1: the way you wanted them to be, and then you
Speaker 1: like resigned. Huh. It's very weird. And at this point,
Speaker 1: so the guy he was supposed to play was Anatoly Karpov,
Speaker 1: who's like of the famous castro of Carpov rivalry, and
Speaker 1: car Pov is really pissed. But there's something you can
Speaker 1: do about it, right, Like, you can't. He can't force
Speaker 1: Bobby Fisher to play chess. So Karpov just becomes the
Speaker 1: world champion because Fisher refuses to show up. Well, okay, Bobby,
Speaker 1: good call. I don't think it seems like you're making
Speaker 1: the right move for your career. Yeah, you know at
Speaker 1: this point with Fisher is busy doing other stuff. And
Speaker 1: by doing other stuff, I mean he's turning into like
Speaker 1: a weird fitness bro guy. Awesome. Oh man, is he
Speaker 1: becoming like a fucking like fucking chest influencer? Like is
Speaker 1: he is he going He's doing He's doing the reverse
Speaker 1: Andrew Tate. No. But okan, here's here's the thing that like,
Speaker 1: actually he's just doing and Andrew Tate no, because he's
Speaker 1: not actually becoming an influence. He this next phase of
Speaker 1: his life is he spends twenty years basically in the
Speaker 1: wilderness and not talking to anyone, and so well this
Speaker 1: I support actually yeah, reappearance, which is actually good at chess,
Speaker 1: unlike Andrew Tape. That's true. Although one of my thesis
Speaker 1: of this episodes that Fisher is not actually as good
Speaker 1: as everyone thinks. He is, just that nobody had ever
Speaker 1: seen real chess in the night in like the nineteen seventies.
Speaker 1: Like I will do this rant later, but okay, so here, here, here,
Speaker 1: here is Bobby Fisher. What he's fucking doing? Well, he's
Speaker 1: not playing the World Championship, peop'll see playing. In quote,
Speaker 1: every day he drink one or two pint glasses of
Speaker 1: carrot juice, one right after another. Dozens of bottles of
Speaker 1: vitamin pills, Indian herbal medicines, Mexican rattlesnake pills, lotions, and
Speaker 1: exotic keys were piled on tables and ledges everywhere, all
Speaker 1: to keep him on what he believed was a strict,
Speaker 1: healthful diet and to treat some ailments he had from
Speaker 1: time to time. Uh huh, So he's taking rattlesnake pill.
Speaker 1: He also this is the other thing he likes, very
Speaker 1: very normal man. And so you know he basically like
Speaker 1: locked himself in his apartment and what he spends all
Speaker 1: his time doing is like looking over chess games and
Speaker 1: then yelling about the most people play so loudly that
Speaker 1: like people will walk past his apartment and here's someone
Speaker 1: yelling and be like, what the fund is going on here?
Speaker 1: And The second thing that he's doing, and and this
Speaker 1: is another kind of famous Fisher story, is that he's
Speaker 1: walking around handing out Nazi pamphlets, which okay, yeah, but
Speaker 1: but the thing about this is very and this this
Speaker 1: is okay, this is like fully his crank face, right,
Speaker 1: because if he wanted to be like an actual Nazi propagandist,
Speaker 1: he could have gone to the media that are talking
Speaker 1: about them. But instead, what he's doing is he's literally
Speaker 1: like like standing on the street corner with pamphlets and
Speaker 1: then like putting Nazi pamplets on like people's windshields. Well,
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess I do prefer that. Oh, definitely,
Speaker 1: he's not a dove not well, okay, well we'll get
Speaker 1: to what he is good at. But while this is going,
Speaker 1: he refuses to like take work or like make any
Speaker 1: money from endorsements, which again everyone's trying to pay him.
Speaker 1: He just refused to sign contracts at this point because
Speaker 1: he's so paranoid um And so this means that he
Speaker 1: has no money, right, and he blows through all of
Speaker 1: his original Chess World Championship money, and in order to
Speaker 1: like survive, he starts living off his sister's social security
Speaker 1: checks he like he's doing he's actually doing a reverse
Speaker 1: Hitler here. Yeah, she has fully turned into like at
Speaker 1: a California beach bump. He's like like moving from rented
Speaker 1: room to rented room, like he he At one point
Speaker 1: he moves in with his sister, but like she kicks
Speaker 1: him out of his house for zanti Semitism. Wait, so
Speaker 1: she's she's but the wait is he's stealing the money
Speaker 1: from her she wanted. She just doesn't want him in
Speaker 1: the house. I guess that makes sense because like she
Speaker 1: this is like like but basically until this incident where
Speaker 1: he gets like even till the end of his life,
Speaker 1: really like his mom still keeps in touch with him,
Speaker 1: like they're still talking, but they like have an agree
Speaker 1: and never talked about politics because Fisher will start ranting
Speaker 1: about anti Semitic will conspiracies. Yeah, I mean that's normally Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: very very Yeah. I don't know, I don't know what
Speaker 1: you do with Bobby Fisher. I'm not gonna I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna back Bobby Fisher's mom. Her, she's she's made a
Speaker 1: lot of mistakes, though, I think we can agree on that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I would argue a lot of it isn't
Speaker 1: her fault, like it was like a lot of a
Speaker 1: lot of what happens to Bobby Fisher is literally just like,
Speaker 1: do you know how hard it is to raise two
Speaker 1: children as a single mom who also has also was
Speaker 1: working class in like nineteen nineteen, Like yeah, it's like
Speaker 1: it's it's I don't know. She she she has a
Speaker 1: hard time, but she has like an impossible task and
Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe maybe don't let him go to
Speaker 1: Cuba with the guy were in the swastika pin But
Speaker 1: I don't know the other thing that's going on this period.
Speaker 1: I feel like this was Castro Cuba, right, No, that
Speaker 1: that was that was prey was Yeah, this is Batista Cuba. Okay,
Speaker 1: that makes it. I feel like Castro Cuba probably wouldn't
Speaker 1: let a guy with a swastika pin in, right, that
Speaker 1: has to be one thing to to be fair, to
Speaker 1: be fair, he did really like Franco, So yeah, you
Speaker 1: never know, you never know, Okay, so did the everything
Speaker 1: a body? Fisher like one of his other he's like
Speaker 1: he's just like from the time he wins the World Championship,
Speaker 1: he becomes absolutely convinced the kids are trying to kill him,
Speaker 1: and so he starts walking around with like like basically
Speaker 1: like belts of potions they're supposed to save him, trying
Speaker 1: to poison him. At one point later, she starts wearing
Speaker 1: like the modern equivalent of like like a six hundred
Speaker 1: buff coat. He's wearing this like leather jacket that's like
Speaker 1: like five inches thick, because he's like, if I try
Speaker 1: to stab me, will stop. He's okay, I was. I
Speaker 1: was worried you were going to be like, yeah, he
Speaker 1: started walking them with a bunch of guns and this
Speaker 1: was going to go in a doctor. But potions and
Speaker 1: leather armor is pretty cool. He is. He has kidded
Speaker 1: out like he's heading the Balder's Gate. Yeah, it's yeah,
Speaker 1: Like as a result of this, right, he like it
Speaker 1: gets to the point where nobody even recognizes him as
Speaker 1: Bobby Fisher anymore. Um, there's at one point there's a
Speaker 1: very famous story about him where so okay, he's in California.
Speaker 1: He's like wandering around the streets and there's a there's
Speaker 1: a robbery nearby, and the cops think that he matches
Speaker 1: the description of the of the suspect, so they arrest
Speaker 1: him and then they just keep him there because I
Speaker 1: think he's sketchy, and he after this happens, he writes
Speaker 1: this pamphlet called I was tortured in the Pasadena jail House,
Speaker 1: And I'm going to read a little bit of it
Speaker 1: because I think it gets at what's going on in
Speaker 1: his mind. At this point, I was immediately handcuffed in
Speaker 1: a brutal fashion. The police pushed my hands away way
Speaker 1: up my back and caused me considerable discomfort and pain. Later,
Speaker 1: I saw that the metal had torn into the flush
Speaker 1: of both my wrists. I was put in a police car,
Speaker 1: but it was unable to move far back enough for
Speaker 1: them to close the door because there was some kind
Speaker 1: of hump in the middle of the back seat. After
Speaker 1: several attempts to shut the door by brutally pushing my
Speaker 1: right leg with his left leg, the officer finally seceeded
Speaker 1: in closing the door by pushing my leg in with
Speaker 1: the door itself. That that sentence has been going on
Speaker 1: for like a century. Yeah. Later I saw them my
Speaker 1: right knee head turned black and blue, and like, you know,
Speaker 1: like he the stuff he's talking about. Like he starts talking.
Speaker 1: He talks about how he was like stripped naked and
Speaker 1: like forced to say, in an empty cell with no
Speaker 1: food or water, and like a lot of people kind
Speaker 1: of make fun of this, and I think it's absolutely plausible,
Speaker 1: Like this is all stuff that like you know people
Speaker 1: people who I know have been in jail of like
Speaker 1: had cops do this to you? Because cops. But on
Speaker 1: the other hand, he's like fully in crank but mode
Speaker 1: now and he's fully convinced that like this entire thing
Speaker 1: is a setup and it's been like orchestrated by like
Speaker 1: well the Jews, because he's unbelievably he's metic at this point.
Speaker 1: He's convinced that like this whole thing is like a
Speaker 1: government plot. And you know, this is the thing about this,
Speaker 1: right is if he'd actually gone to like the New
Speaker 1: at times and been like, hey, I got tortured by
Speaker 1: the cops, they would have covered it, right, Like he
Speaker 1: every everyone still wants to talk to him, but instead
Speaker 1: he's fully he's fully a crank now and he just
Speaker 1: like publishes his pamphlet with like a thousand dollars of
Speaker 1: his own money and like walks around handing out copies
Speaker 1: like on the street to people. And meanwhile, like like
Speaker 1: and people are people are like just this is like
Speaker 1: the nine eighties, they're still just throwing money at him, right,
Speaker 1: Like at one point, so people were willing to take
Speaker 1: to spend ten thou dollars literally just take his picture
Speaker 1: and he's like, no, no, you can't take a picture.
Speaker 1: You know, and you know that this is this is
Speaker 1: how he spends the eighties is just sort of like
Speaker 1: another crank, like on the street, screaming about like Jewish conspiracies.
Speaker 1: And I think like if he was in twenty three, right,
Speaker 1: I think he actually would have done great like he
Speaker 1: you know, he he basically would have been He basically
Speaker 1: would have been ye. Right, you have a podcast, you
Speaker 1: have like a giant entourage of like people who kind
Speaker 1: of have their ship together when he were also Nazis.
Speaker 1: But like, you know, part of part of thinking about
Speaker 1: this period is, you know, the nineteen eighties have the
Speaker 1: white power movement, but they don't have the kind of
Speaker 1: like media infrastructure that like someone like Alex Jones or
Speaker 1: for example, happen. No, they're they're just starting to build it.
Speaker 1: You got guys, what years this again? Uh? Well, it's
Speaker 1: it's it's it's like the whole nineteen eighties. I think, Yeah,
Speaker 1: so you've got guys like Tom Metzger and David Duke,
Speaker 1: and they're building media, but most of it is like
Speaker 1: what you'd call zenes and stuff coming at you have
Speaker 1: stuff like the Liberty Lobby, Willis Carto. We're gonna get
Speaker 1: to this out there with a lot more kind of
Speaker 1: a sophisticated stuff, but it is it is not. They
Speaker 1: do not have the kind of media reach that they yeah,
Speaker 1: and and the other thing about this world like, so
Speaker 1: it's not clear to be if any of these guys
Speaker 1: ever tried to contact Fisher. Um. It's possible they did,
Speaker 1: but the problem is he's only port of contact was
Speaker 1: that Jewish family that he sends sent all the anti
Speaker 1: sebody conpiracies too, so no one can actually get in
Speaker 1: contact with him because like his friends to stop talking
Speaker 1: to him because they were like, Okay, you're too much
Speaker 1: of an anti Semite, like I'm Jewish, Like okay. But eventually,
Speaker 1: in Spasky, like I don't I remember exactly how he did,
Speaker 1: he he finally finds some way to like get in
Speaker 1: contact with Fisher about doing like a rematch the World
Speaker 1: championship with like two point five million dollars on the line.
Speaker 1: Um Spasky's original partner like pulls out of this because
Speaker 1: he realizes that Bobby Fisher was a Nazi and these
Speaker 1: were the heavy days when like people occasionally would see
Speaker 1: someone who's a Nazi and be like, I'm not going
Speaker 1: to work with this guy. But you know who will
Speaker 1: wait wait ship, that's oh boy, Um, you know who
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Speaker 1: let's continue. So all right, when the last let's Bobby Fisher, right,
Speaker 1: he people people are refusing to work with him because
Speaker 1: he's a Nazi. So okay, what what what? What do you?
Speaker 1: What is he saying that people are like, this guy's
Speaker 1: a Nazi. Eventually a he has like a kind of relationship.
Speaker 1: He's like, how old is he in the nineties, like
Speaker 1: late forties, has this kind of relationship with like an
Speaker 1: eighteen year old and he's gonna do this like that.
Speaker 1: To be fair, it's not great to be fair to
Speaker 1: Bobby Fisher. I don't I couldn't find any evidence that
Speaker 1: he actually did anything with anyone underage, but he really
Speaker 1: seems to like like eighteen and nineteen year olds. Um.
Speaker 1: And at one point one of like this, this woman
Speaker 1: named Kita like gets a talking to him and uh,
Speaker 1: this this is this is a description of what of
Speaker 1: what he's saying. This is still a night just like
Speaker 1: in like nineteen he told her that the reason he
Speaker 1: wasn't playing like chess was because the Russians cheat, and
Speaker 1: over the course of future letters and phone calls, he
Speaker 1: elaborated on his theory regarding how the game's played by
Speaker 1: Kasparov and Karpov had all been pre arranged, and that
Speaker 1: he believed that Kasparov and Karpov react the Asians of
Speaker 1: the Russian regime. He asked if she was Jewish, everyone
Speaker 1: who was Soviet and everyone who is Jewish cannot be trusted,
Speaker 1: he affirmed, So, all right, on the one hand, we
Speaker 1: we we got some menti Semitism here um. But I
Speaker 1: also I also wanted there's two other things I want
Speaker 1: to focus on. One is that okay, ay, he's still
Speaker 1: mad about those people drawing in a tournament in nineteen
Speaker 1: seventy It's now nineteen ninety and two. Okay, so like
Speaker 1: there was kind of collusion going on between some of
Speaker 1: the Soviet grandmasters the Kasparov and Karpov games, and I
Speaker 1: kind of emphasize this enough. Are absolutely not being rapped,
Speaker 1: This is nonsense. Castrov and Karpov, for people who don't know,
Speaker 1: are like the two best chess Cat Cat Karpov basically
Speaker 1: from by nine seventy five, and then Castrov comes in
Speaker 1: in like the mid eighties, and these two are the best,
Speaker 1: indisputedly the best players in the world. Who aren't Nam
Speaker 1: Bobby Fisher for like this entire period, And okay, I
Speaker 1: actually think cast rows better than Fisher, wasn't his height,
Speaker 1: but castrovver never gets to play him. Um, cast raph
Speaker 1: and Karpov played like a bunch of World championships against
Speaker 1: each other, and they fucking hate each other. It's not
Speaker 1: clear to me if any other two players in the
Speaker 1: entire history of competitive chests have ever hated each other
Speaker 1: as much as Casparov and Karpov do. Uh Like, Kasparov
Speaker 1: like to this day, is a Russian dissident. Karpov is
Speaker 1: like the Soviet Golden Boys, as best as I could tell,
Speaker 1: Like to this, this rivalry starts in the eighties. It
Speaker 1: is now three they still hate each other. Um Karpov
Speaker 1: is now a Putin loyalist at Kasparov's still I guess
Speaker 1: the Russian dissident. Like at one point, it gets the
Speaker 1: point where in one of the World Championship matches both
Speaker 1: sides have like rivaling groups of like hypnotists and mystics
Speaker 1: and each like sitting sitting in the room trying to
Speaker 1: like like hypnotize and counteract the hypnosis. It's it's wild
Speaker 1: these people just like I kind of amazize enough how
Speaker 1: much these people just spy each other, and how much
Speaker 1: Bobby Fisher has just like completely gone off the rails
Speaker 1: are doing at this whole thing is staged. And for
Speaker 1: Fisher meanwhile, is like he's living in his tiny apartment
Speaker 1: that is just entirely filled with a combination of like
Speaker 1: books and of cassette tapes that he recorded of his
Speaker 1: anti Semitic conspiracy theories. And I tried to track these
Speaker 1: down and I couldn't find them. I don't know, maybe
Speaker 1: they exist somewhere, but um from Endgame, apparently they were
Speaker 1: materials for quote a book that would prove how the
Speaker 1: Soviets cheated in Chess. Now. And the other thing he's
Speaker 1: still mad about is Nixon. It turned out actually lied
Speaker 1: to him when he said he'd come to the White
Speaker 1: House and never let him go to the White House,
Speaker 1: which I guess is what you get for trusting Richard Nixon. Yeah,
Speaker 1: not not, not ever, gonna be your best bet. And
Speaker 1: he is still mad about this, like twenty years later,
Speaker 1: he is like incensed you get to go to the
Speaker 1: White House. But while all of this is going on
Speaker 1: behind the scenes, that the Cranks are still turning on
Speaker 1: this sort of like comeback match like Bobby Fisher Boris Spassky,
Speaker 1: like World Champion jab rematch thing, and eventually they find
Speaker 1: someone willing to pay five million dollars from a match.
Speaker 1: That guy's name is oh boy, I I Jeddah's mere
Speaker 1: velis Vic. He's often just called Gazda Jesda, which is
Speaker 1: roughly means Jesda the boss who is the president of
Speaker 1: the Judo Scanning Bank and what remains of Yugoslavia. And
Speaker 1: it is at this point in the career of Bobby Fisher,
Speaker 1: as he is about to play his first professional match
Speaker 1: of chess in almost twenty years in the remains of Yugoslavia,
Speaker 1: that we need to talk about the Bosnian genocide. Oh boy, yeah,
Speaker 1: not not not. I'm gonna I'm gonna bet he has
Speaker 1: fun opinions on on Bosnian's Yeah, oh yeah, it's oh boy.
Speaker 1: So all right, before we go any further, I need
Speaker 1: to lay out an accusation here, which is that I
Speaker 1: think that most of the chess accounts of Bobby Fisher's
Speaker 1: actions in this period are at the very least lying
Speaker 1: to the readers by omission. And I think a lot
Speaker 1: of them are a definitely engaging in genocide denial by
Speaker 1: not telling their readers, like what he's going on in
Speaker 1: you like quote unquote Yugoslavia because it's Poslavia at this point. No, No,
Speaker 1: it's yeah, Serbia and Bosnia and Hena right, um, well,
Speaker 1: and and like you know, and the other thing about this,
Speaker 1: right is it like the place that yeah, well, so
Speaker 1: it's set two and like technically speaking, there is a
Speaker 1: country called Yugoslavia. And when when people write about this
Speaker 1: stuff like, oh, you're playing Yugoslavia, but this is this
Speaker 1: is not like Yugoslavia in the sense of like the
Speaker 1: state that had existed up until this point. This is
Speaker 1: a basically a rump state controlled by genocidal Serbian ethno nationalists.
Speaker 1: And but by the time Bobby Fisher gets there, and
Speaker 1: he gets there in late next nty two, right, the
Speaker 1: siege of Sarajevo has already begun. There's a bunch of
Speaker 1: peace protesters have already been gunned down by Serbian militias. Uh,
Speaker 1: the Yugoslav People's RB quote unquote is just fully under
Speaker 1: control of the sort of Serbiano nationalists. Is shelling the
Speaker 1: city of Sarajevo, and like, and the other thing that's
Speaker 1: important to know about important to understand about out when
Speaker 1: Fisher gets there, is that the Bosnian genocide has already started,
Speaker 1: right but Bossians Bosnians are already you know, being Bossian
Speaker 1: Muslims are being routed up and killed by Serbian forces.
Speaker 1: Serbian militias have a ready setup concentration camps that the
Speaker 1: sort of like the mass rape of Bossian women has started.
Speaker 1: And you know, we are like by the time Fisher
Speaker 1: is going to this place to to do his first
Speaker 1: public appearance in twenty years, we are like well into
Speaker 1: one of the worst things to happen in Europe in
Speaker 1: a century that saw Europe have some of the worst
Speaker 1: things that's ever happened to two d thousand year history
Speaker 1: of humanity. And yeah, and so like by the time
Speaker 1: that by the time the term and has started, like
Speaker 1: there are already fifty thousand people dead in the series
Speaker 1: of wars that sort of the Serbian ethno nationalists have
Speaker 1: waged against Croatia and Bosnia. And you know, okay, like
Speaker 1: so you get like to get a sort of sense
Speaker 1: of how bad things are if you're Bosnian. Right, So
Speaker 1: the Serbian like ether nationalists have at this point, they
Speaker 1: have taken control of like one of the world's best
Speaker 1: equipped armies, right, like you go, Slavia was like a
Speaker 1: giant arms I mean. For an idea of how good
Speaker 1: relatively competent the Yugoslavian military was, read Balkan history all
Speaker 1: the way up to the period where Tito takes over,
Speaker 1: and then read Balkan history for the period where Tito
Speaker 1: was in power, Like yeah, they keep the Balkans for
Speaker 1: quite a while from going to war and no one
Speaker 1: else really does that. Yeah, and you know, and and
Speaker 1: but the problem is again by this point, like does
Speaker 1: the serpients have just fully taken over that that way?
Speaker 1: And like when when when the when the war against
Speaker 1: when when the creations like trying to like when the
Speaker 1: creations like leave Yugoslavia because their their alternative is staying
Speaker 1: in there and being ruled by like Milosavik and these
Speaker 1: sort of like like just absolutely yeah, yeah, Like by
Speaker 1: the time they start this, like the creations are literally
Speaker 1: they are like rating their own museums and like going
Speaker 1: to film sets trying to find old world rule two
Speaker 1: World wards, old World War God, why can I not
Speaker 1: say World War two cheese Wow hacking a fraud, just
Speaker 1: call it w W two. Yeah. Yeah, they're they're finding
Speaker 1: old w W. That's that's my favorite way to say it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like like they are, they're they're they're like in film
Speaker 1: sets recovering weapons that were originally like dropped, like dropping
Speaker 1: the creation by Tito and the Partisans in nine And
Speaker 1: you know, okay, so the create If you think the
Speaker 1: creations are in bad shape, those are the people the
Speaker 1: Bosnians are buying weapons from. Are the guys raiding their
Speaker 1: own museums for World War two errow weapons? Ah, so
Speaker 1: that's gonna go well yeah, yeah, So Balie Fisher is
Speaker 1: playing in a chess tournament in a country that has
Speaker 1: already committed a genocide. Right there, they are, they're already
Speaker 1: doing it. It has already started, and this entire tournament
Speaker 1: is being run as a pr by Gaza Jesda as
Speaker 1: this you know, the sort of like statement against like
Speaker 1: the U S and U N like UH sanctions against
Speaker 1: Serbia and like, you know, we're gonna show the world
Speaker 1: how ridiculous these like oppressive sanctions are. And you know,
Speaker 1: you can talk about how much good like Sanctius did
Speaker 1: or didn't do. I mean, there's one part of it
Speaker 1: don't like doesn't get talked about very much, which is
Speaker 1: that so there's a weapons in Bargo, right that's imposed
Speaker 1: on on Yugoslavia, but it's also Milita. It pushes for
Speaker 1: it to get imposed on literally everyone, which means that
Speaker 1: you know, this represent Bargo is kind of find for like,
Speaker 1: serve the Serbian army because they already have all these weapons.
Speaker 1: But you know, the Bosnians can't now like our under
Speaker 1: sanctions and can't buy weapons anymore, and you know, okay,
Speaker 1: so so in in an effort to stop violence, the
Speaker 1: international community limited the group of people who already didn't
Speaker 1: have guns from getting more guns, and then they were
Speaker 1: victims of a genocide. Good thing that's never happened again, yep,
Speaker 1: oh god. And you know, and like part part of
Speaker 1: the other story about this is like the Serbians really think,
Speaker 1: and they're right for a lot of the period of
Speaker 1: time is going on, like they think they can get
Speaker 1: the West under side, because the West will be like, oh,
Speaker 1: we need them to fight like Islamic extremism. And you
Speaker 1: know that famously never led to anything absolutely horrific happening.
Speaker 1: Uh then or later. But you know the reason I'm
Speaker 1: talking about all of this is, you know, the economic
Speaker 1: sanctions are still sort of reaching havoc in Serbia, and
Speaker 1: but bypassing those sanctions are is like one of gozags
Speaker 1: like main jobs. So this guy, the guy who's like
Speaker 1: paying for this tournament, right, is running like one of
Speaker 1: the largest banks that like remains in sort of like
Speaker 1: this like shattered like Yugoslavia shell. The problem is it's
Speaker 1: a ponzi scheme um. So he's offering fifteen percent returns
Speaker 1: on deposits. Everyone's like, well, look at look, look like
Speaker 1: how connected he is to like the Serbian political class,
Speaker 1: Like would our leaders ever associate with someone crooked? No,
Speaker 1: this must be fine. It must be that he can
Speaker 1: just get returns because he's not greedy. And Okay, So
Speaker 1: that's the part that like we can confirm he was doing,
Speaker 1: is is that he's running this ponzi scheme um. Everything
Speaker 1: I feel like it is really murky. There's there's the
Speaker 1: like persistent claims that he was smuggling weapons from Israel
Speaker 1: to the Serbian army. Um. Yeah, the source of this
Speaker 1: is is someone who was the former Serbian Minister of Defense,
Speaker 1: who like testified against BLOCIFIC at the Hague. I don't know,
Speaker 1: I think it's possible. I I'm not gonna like definitively
Speaker 1: say it's true, because I couldn't confirm it. But what
Speaker 1: what does seem to have been true is that this
Speaker 1: bank is part of how the Serbian government is avoiding
Speaker 1: UN sanctions. Um melosivic very quickly like the when you know,
Speaker 1: when when we start start, when he starts all of
Speaker 1: these wars, right, he very quickly seizes like billions of
Speaker 1: dollars in foreign deposits in like Serbian banks, in order
Speaker 1: to get ahold of the value incredibly valuable U s
Speaker 1: dollars they contain. Now, okay, so a little bit of
Speaker 1: economics and stuff. You need U s dollars to buy things.
Speaker 1: You typically have to be in the four of US dollars.
Speaker 1: One of the most important things you need to buy
Speaker 1: with that is oil um, which can like it's very
Speaker 1: difficult to buy all of us not in U S
Speaker 1: dollars um and you know, but by getting people to
Speaker 1: invest like a real American dollars or like German marks
Speaker 1: in this ponzi scheme, which you can either buy things
Speaker 1: from Germany, you're used to get like dollars, the government's
Speaker 1: able to bypass the sanctions, and the bank itself at
Speaker 1: very least once and probably other times seems to have
Speaker 1: been like directly running oil through the blockade. Now just
Speaker 1: to also claims that milosa Vic like forced him to
Speaker 1: fund a bunch of paramilitary like death squads, and I
Speaker 1: don't know, like the guy's a pathological liar, so who
Speaker 1: knows that that's true. On the other hand, there are
Speaker 1: a bunch of death squads in this period that are
Speaker 1: getting funded by partially the Serbian government and partially like
Speaker 1: incredible sketchy story, So who knows he might actually be
Speaker 1: telling the truth here. It's unclear. But you know, of
Speaker 1: course the thing that he's also just stealing an enormous
Speaker 1: amount of money, because again this is all a POSEI scheme.
Speaker 1: And hilariously, this this whole whole like show match that
Speaker 1: he's funding is actually like one of the things that
Speaker 1: brings down his bank. Because so she just from the
Speaker 1: Washington Post the court act it alleging that the bank
Speaker 1: had failed to make promise payments to Private Enterprise, which
Speaker 1: is another bank, including those for leasing this sevet Ley
Speaker 1: Stephen the resort where Jalstis staged the opening games of
Speaker 1: the chess match between Bobby Fisher and Boris Boris Spasky
Speaker 1: last September. So he like defaults on like his rent
Speaker 1: payment for this resort, and the court seeses like a
Speaker 1: bunch of this sort of oil that he was running
Speaker 1: through the blockade. And at this point everyone begins to
Speaker 1: sort of realize that, wait, hold on, this is a
Speaker 1: Ponzi scheme, and he he like flees to uh he
Speaker 1: he flees to Israel. And then later on it is
Speaker 1: like sentences tend used for like financial crime, so that
Speaker 1: this is the guy who's running the show match. Um,
Speaker 1: and okay, here here's from endgame about sort of what
Speaker 1: the effect of this show matches. When the match's venue
Speaker 1: was moved to Belgrade, Slabadel Milosovic, the president of Serbia,
Speaker 1: met Bobby and Spassky and asked to be photographed with
Speaker 1: the two. He used the Asian to trumpet is propaganda
Speaker 1: to the international press, quote, this match is important because
Speaker 1: it has played well. Yugoslavia is under unjustified blockade that
Speaker 1: in its best ways proves that chess and sports cannot
Speaker 1: be limited by politics. Melosavik was later charged with crimes
Speaker 1: against humanity by the International Criminal Tribunal in the Hague
Speaker 1: and died in prison. He sure did. Yeah, but you know,
Speaker 1: the really depressing thing about this is like this pr
Speaker 1: effort worked, Right, there are vast swas so sort of
Speaker 1: the international left, including like mainstream progressives you like wouldn't
Speaker 1: expect to be, you know, backing a genocidal fascist who
Speaker 1: will to this day hold that like what happened to
Speaker 1: Yugoslavia was actually like NATO tow and apart from being socialist.
Speaker 1: And you know, like never mind the fact that Milosivik
Speaker 1: was a career banker who is like he is the
Speaker 1: guy who like does a bunch of structural adjustments, right,
Speaker 1: like he like he became the butcher of the old
Speaker 1: social economy before he became the butcher of Bosnia. And
Speaker 1: you know, never mind that like his turn to like
Speaker 1: genocidal ethno nationalism is like what the destroyed Yugoslavia. Never
Speaker 1: mind that like Serbian fascist carry out a genocide and
Speaker 1: I was pulled off another one. Like there are like
Speaker 1: enormous numbers of people who today believe that, like what
Speaker 1: what happened in this war was like Serb resistance and
Speaker 1: NATO imperialism is like okay, like yeah, like NATO sucks. Also,
Speaker 1: these people were trying to kill every Muslim in Bosnia
Speaker 1: and they almost did it. And this pr thing right,
Speaker 1: like the other thing about about the Fisher tournaments, like
Speaker 1: the kind of pryamis this is also a key part
Speaker 1: of how of how the Serbian regime is able to
Speaker 1: sort of like keep like keep anyone else from getting
Speaker 1: involved in this by sort of playing different international powers
Speaker 1: off each other so I could get more time to
Speaker 1: seize land and do the genocide. And you know, okay,
Speaker 1: So Fisher doesn't care about this ship, like he's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: fuck it, like I'll I'll do I'll do Popaganti for blows.
Speaker 1: This is fine. Um, the US tries to stop Fisher
Speaker 1: from playing the show match. So right before like he's
Speaker 1: about to leave for uh for Belgrade, the US Treasury
Speaker 1: sends him a letter that's like, do not go. It
Speaker 1: is a violation of the sanctions that we put out.
Speaker 1: I'm going to read from the letter violations of the
Speaker 1: Executive Order, which is the sections are punishable by civil
Speaker 1: penalties not exceeding ten tho dollars per violation and by
Speaker 1: criminal penalties not exceeding two or dollars per individual, ten
Speaker 1: years in prison, or both. You're hereby directed to refrain
Speaker 1: from engaging in any of the activities described above, and Fisher.
Speaker 1: Fisher's lawyer tells Fisher like, don't play this, like this
Speaker 1: is actually gonna go really badly for you, and Bobby
Speaker 1: Fishers like that, fuck you, like I'm going to I'm
Speaker 1: going to play this charter, but the US government can't
Speaker 1: tell me what to do, and so, you know he does,
Speaker 1: but you know it is in sort of classic like
Speaker 1: Bobby Fisher fashioned. Um. He he throws just another giant
Speaker 1: chess like temper tantrum, his list of demands, continuing to
Speaker 1: create yeah, every single time, every single time, like so consistent, yea,
Speaker 1: and every single time so will sets up a chess batter.
Speaker 1: They're like, Bobby Fisher will be reasonable those times, like no, no,
Speaker 1: you're you are not going to be the person that
Speaker 1: make Bobby Fisher behave like a noble human being. He's
Speaker 1: like physically yeah, and then this is this is this
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know. I think this might be
Speaker 1: the funniest one of these that he does. His list
Speaker 1: of demands continued to grow. Justice strategy of appeasement was
Speaker 1: to give him whatever he wanted, even though the item
Speaker 1: might not have been mentioned in the contract. Bobby rejected
Speaker 1: six tables as inadequate before asking for one from the
Speaker 1: nineteen fifty Chess Olympics and Dubrovnik. Even even that one
Speaker 1: had to be slightly altered by a carpenter to satisfy
Speaker 1: his demands. The pieces had to have the right hefton
Speaker 1: color when he shows the same set that had been
Speaker 1: played in the Dubrovnik Olympics. He particularly liked the small
Speaker 1: color contrast dome on the bishop's head, which prevented their
Speaker 1: being confused with ponds, which like, you're like one of
Speaker 1: the best chess players, Ever, how are you getting confused
Speaker 1: between a bishop in a pawn? Like what? Okay, I
Speaker 1: don't know, Baffle, It's difficult to believe. But Bobby rejected
Speaker 1: one set because the length of the Night's nose was
Speaker 1: too long. The anti Semitic symbolism was hardly lost on
Speaker 1: those who heard the complaint. Oh my god, oh my god. Yeah,
Speaker 1: come on, come on, man, don't yeah fucking calling your
Speaker 1: chest pieces Like yeah, what do you? What do you
Speaker 1: even say? To that, what do you say to a
Speaker 1: man who's so racist? He's racist? He scrutinizes his chest
Speaker 1: pieces to see if they have Semitic noses, Like what
Speaker 1: is well, giving five million dollars, I don't know if
Speaker 1: this is what keeps happening. They just ken't just keep
Speaker 1: giving him money. So all right, So he shows up
Speaker 1: and he plays this match, and a ship tone of
Speaker 1: journalist show up to cover this, and literally there were
Speaker 1: people being herded into concentration two and a half hours
Speaker 1: away from where this match is being played, right, and
Speaker 1: the sort of like funk that, like there's a chess
Speaker 1: match going on and these people and they never think
Speaker 1: about the journalists, right, you know, Okay, it would have
Speaker 1: cost them like zero total dollars right to go cover
Speaker 1: the gender side that was happening. They have to pay
Speaker 1: one thousand dollars to cover the event. And while they're
Speaker 1: covering the event, they get some classic Bobby Fisher lines.
Speaker 1: So there's the thing things he says to the press. Quote,
Speaker 1: Soviet communism is basically a mask for Bolshevism, which is
Speaker 1: a mask for Judaism. Okay, I mean that's pretty basic stuff. Yeah,
Speaker 1: But but the thing that tarts about the right. It's like, okay,
Speaker 1: so there's like modern versions of it, right, but like
Speaker 1: normally they have like the Democratic parties and mask bullshist,
Speaker 1: But like, what do you mean Soviet communism is a
Speaker 1: mask for Bolshevism. It's the same thing, like, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it is weird to say that Soviet Communism is a
Speaker 1: mask for Bolshevists. I don't even think about that, but yes,
Speaker 1: that is deeply peculiar. He hasn't like saying these eos
Speaker 1: are disguising themselves as capitalists. Well they're not really. The
Speaker 1: other thing is funny about this is like when when
Speaker 1: you Rea sa boy fish, like you will constantly hear
Speaker 1: people like screaming about how he has a hundred and
Speaker 1: eight i Q and it's like he's just saying ship
Speaker 1: like like he can't even keep his anti Semitism into
Speaker 1: like coherent anti Semitic steps like a normal Nazi can.
Speaker 1: He's just saying this stuff. Um. He also pulls like
Speaker 1: another classic of the anti Semite genre and does the
Speaker 1: like I'm not an anti Semite because Jews are Semites,
Speaker 1: and I'm sorry because Arabs are Semites and I'm not
Speaker 1: anti Arab, which is like, you know, he he's really
Speaker 1: so he's developing the repertoire of what will become like
Speaker 1: the modern anti Semitic stuff. Um, he has another lion bree.
Speaker 1: He says. Someone asked him how he's doing in chess,
Speaker 1: and he says, I think I'm doing quite well considering
Speaker 1: I've been blacklisted for the last twenty years by World Jewelry,
Speaker 1: which is just like, you know, he's just saying this
Speaker 1: to like a bunch of reporters, and then they all
Speaker 1: immediately forget about this, and you know, the genocide that
Speaker 1: is going on two hour is away, and you know,
Speaker 1: everyone's back to just comparing him to Picasso and Mozart
Speaker 1: and being like, oh my god, I can't believe I
Speaker 1: got a witness like Bobby Fisher playing again. And you know, okay,
Speaker 1: So I think there's two things going on here. One
Speaker 1: is that like a huge just like this is true
Speaker 1: of the press basically forever, is that a huge portion
Speaker 1: of the press corps are made up of just like
Speaker 1: absolute hacks who just don't give a ship and in
Speaker 1: this case also just like perfect islamophobes, so they just
Speaker 1: you know, don't care about the genocide happening outside the window.
Speaker 1: And the second part about it is that they're sort
Speaker 1: of like bewitched by this chess, right, and I think,
Speaker 1: like we we have a better perspective on this than
Speaker 1: they do, because you know, this is the year I
Speaker 1: have seen god played chess. I have watched ALFA zero
Speaker 1: and AI program like tear a thirty six hundred rated
Speaker 1: bought apart like tissue paper in a game that like
Speaker 1: only bears like a tenuous resemblance to anything you would
Speaker 1: called chess. Right, Like, I can log into YouTube right
Speaker 1: now and watch like Magnus carlsoner like dingly it rand
Speaker 1: on cork like the six shif anyone's ever seen, and
Speaker 1: you know, and like and part of all these countries,
Speaker 1: like people just better at chess now than they used
Speaker 1: to be, right, all these people who are like causing,
Speaker 1: who are just like calling belly Fisher Pacassa. It's like, yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: like we we we have games of chess, so you
Speaker 1: can look at right now that would have made every
Speaker 1: single one of these people's brains explode. Like no nobody
Speaker 1: nobody writes about Magnus Carlson like he's Picasso, even though
Speaker 1: again Carlson is is better than Fisher is like it's
Speaker 1: it's basically like indisputedly is better than Fisher is, and
Speaker 1: nobody calls him this like we we we no longer
Speaker 1: have to respect Bubby Fisher's chest. It is the year three.
Speaker 1: My dishwasher can beat him, not a joke, Actually could
Speaker 1: My My dishwasher has enough computing power. And it's a
Speaker 1: piece of ship, but it has enough computing power to
Speaker 1: run a program powerful love to beat Bobby Fisher. And
Speaker 1: I'm sick and tired of pretending that, like that's not
Speaker 1: true anymore. And you know, you know, you know what
Speaker 1: your dishwasher couldn't do. It's fucking take me on at
Speaker 1: at warhammer. That's true. It actually probably points of orcs
Speaker 1: versus two thousand points of whatever you want to pick.
Speaker 1: I'll throw your ass down. Come on, dishwasher, you can't
Speaker 1: even paint. You're not gonna be able to get three
Speaker 1: colors in a base on those models. So I win
Speaker 1: by default. Dishwasher, you can because because you you just
Speaker 1: you might be able to make that work. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: you know, okay, like back to what's happening here, right,
Speaker 1: is even even in the nineties, right, it's been twenty
Speaker 1: years as he did this. The Cold War is basically over,
Speaker 1: but the sort of mythos of Fisher is like still
Speaker 1: powerful enough that like all of these people are are
Speaker 1: just sitting there while the genocide is happening two hours
Speaker 1: away and are being like, oh hey, look it's Bobby Fisher.
Speaker 1: He's playing all the chess again. And you know this, this,
Speaker 1: this all is an enormous like pr success for militia
Speaker 1: Vick is almost pr success for everyone involved in this
Speaker 1: or genocide, and Bobby Fishers like, okay, I can I
Speaker 1: can parlay this into getting a chess car beer back. Um.
Speaker 1: The problem is that in December of two he gets
Speaker 1: an indictment from a grand jury for violating the sanctions
Speaker 1: in the US. So instead of trying to rechart a
Speaker 1: chef's career, he's like desperately scrambling across Europe with like
Speaker 1: some members of people who I think are like part
Speaker 1: of like the Hungarian royal family or something, trying to
Speaker 1: like desperately not get like arrested for being a wanted
Speaker 1: criminal for breaking these sanctions. But you know who's not
Speaker 1: a wanted criminal for breaking sanctions. I don't know if
Speaker 1: we can promise that it's roughly fifty percent of our sponsors.
Speaker 1: I feel confident that it's somewhere around half of them
Speaker 1: we can prove have never been forced. Okay, you know, um,
Speaker 1: just just roll the ads. We're back. Uh and wow,
Speaker 1: I really enjoyed those ads for the Hungarian royal family. Uh. Hey, look,
Speaker 1: the current president of Hungary not great. Why not have
Speaker 1: a king again? It went great the last time Austro
Speaker 1: Hungary had a king, everything went swimmingly. He made good
Speaker 1: decisions and that's why everyone was. They were so happy
Speaker 1: with their king that they were like, let's try a
Speaker 1: completely different series of forms of government. Yeah, it was great. Look, look,
Speaker 1: the First World War, as we all know, started, there
Speaker 1: was no war before that. Every every because because Austro
Speaker 1: Hungary was it was it was Yeah, it's because their
Speaker 1: king went on vacation. He just wasn't watching. Yeah. So
Speaker 1: all right. Well one of the one of the things
Speaker 1: that so okay at this point, like the press, the
Speaker 1: press is finally started to notice that bebby Fishers and
Speaker 1: anti semit and their immediate thing is like, oh, it's
Speaker 1: because he's mentally ill. Yeah, like people like that. They
Speaker 1: were they were like chess psychologists brought in too, like
Speaker 1: diagnose him? What is the chess psychology? Just how do
Speaker 1: you are they are they diagnosing him based on how
Speaker 1: he chesses did that? Because that seems like a shift,
Speaker 1: that seems like there were so many chess psychologists in
Speaker 1: this story. It is I didn't I didn't know this
Speaker 1: existed until, like I, I read a lot of chess books.
Speaker 1: Like I, I played chess for years. I didn't know
Speaker 1: chess psychology existed until I opened these books, and suddenly
Speaker 1: there was like seventeen chess psychologists trying to figure out
Speaker 1: I probably Fisher is okay, no, no, it's I. I
Speaker 1: get parts of this because, like I think a psychologist
Speaker 1: could tell a lot of people about how they play Warhammer.
Speaker 1: For example, Dark Elder player probably shouldn't be allowed to
Speaker 1: own guns. Reasonable, but you know, okay, like all these
Speaker 1: people are like making a lot of Warhammer jokes for
Speaker 1: about about six percent of the audience. You know, it's
Speaker 1: probably higher for that, it's probably like eight percent at
Speaker 1: least maybe nine that that seems good, you know, And
Speaker 1: like I I think what's happening with this whole short
Speaker 1: brobably Fisher like mentally ill thing is just that like, well,
Speaker 1: these two things. One is that they're they're they're treating
Speaker 1: him in the template of like, oh, there's like the
Speaker 1: like the mad genius who's like so smart that he
Speaker 1: like like goes insane in the end. It's like no,
Speaker 1: like he's not actually that smart. A and B Like
Speaker 1: he he's like it's not that he's man deal, he's
Speaker 1: just a Nazi. And people just like cannot get over
Speaker 1: that this person who had been the like personal hero
Speaker 1: against the Soviets is like, you know, if you could
Speaker 1: just be like a completely run of the mill Nazi,
Speaker 1: not even like a particularly good Nazi propagandist, just like
Speaker 1: a completely run of the mill Nazi yelling about people
Speaker 1: on the street. Now, okay, there are a couple of
Speaker 1: things that Bobby Fisher does later in life that are
Speaker 1: like relatively famous. One of his biggest claims of fames
Speaker 1: is he invents this game called Fisher Random Chess, which
Speaker 1: is his chest variant were like the Fish. Fisher has
Speaker 1: this theory that like, like the recent Chess sucks, everyone
Speaker 1: has to learn openings, which is true, you have to
Speaker 1: learn like a million moons of opening And there's all
Speaker 1: this theory and it's very annoying because people someone will
Speaker 1: just come in like having spent the last like seventeen
Speaker 1: years studying exactly one move order. And so he's like, okay,
Speaker 1: well what what what if he randomized the pieces on
Speaker 1: the back of the like on the back of the
Speaker 1: board's location, so that you can't like plan what you're
Speaker 1: gonna do. Um, And this is a very this is supposedly,
Speaker 1: very famously a thing that Value Fisher invented. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: read this passage from Endgame. Eventually Bobby shifted his monologues
Speaker 1: from hatred of Jews to chess. He became angry, however,
Speaker 1: when Laslow showed him a book published in nineteen ten
Speaker 1: by the Croatian writer ezeld Or Gross. This book described
Speaker 1: a variat of chess that seemed to be the forerunner
Speaker 1: of Fisher random with the exact same rules. Muttering something
Speaker 1: about Gross being Jewish, Bobby went to change the rules
Speaker 1: of his variation to make it different from Grosses. So yeah,
Speaker 1: he also this is also the period where he starts
Speaker 1: getting obsessed with like preserving his genius by having a
Speaker 1: child and like preserving his gene pool. So he starts
Speaker 1: putting out like ads in the newspaper for like a girlfriend. Um,
Speaker 1: he's there's description of its quote they must be one
Speaker 1: blonde and blue eyed, two young, three beautiful, and four
Speaker 1: a serious chess player. And stunningly this doesn't work for
Speaker 1: reasons that are in fact in cape like well, we'll
Speaker 1: never understand why this failed, etcetera, etcetera. Um, he also
Speaker 1: starts getting like he gets progressively more into like like
Speaker 1: he he starts reading what's his name, David L. Hogan,
Speaker 1: who's one of like the most world's mold like probably
Speaker 1: most influential Holocaust deniers, and you know, and but by
Speaker 1: by by the end of the nineties, he started doing
Speaker 1: radio interviews again. But the interviews are just like him
Speaker 1: doing anti Semitic rants. Like there's there's one where he
Speaker 1: just like he he gets on this interview and it
Speaker 1: starts and then copletely out of nowhere, she just he's like,
Speaker 1: let me say a few words about the Jews, and
Speaker 1: it starts ranking about the Holocaust, and you know, and
Speaker 1: she also does the like yeah, and the host is like, wait,
Speaker 1: aren't you Jewish? And Bobby does does the thing again
Speaker 1: where he was like, I will I will go to
Speaker 1: the little boy's room and like with my dick out
Speaker 1: and it was just like Bobby Man, like I mean
Speaker 1: is the title of his episode. At least he's consistent.
Speaker 1: At least he's consistent. You know, you got to respect
Speaker 1: that respect is the wrong word. Yeah. Yeah, And this
Speaker 1: is not even like the most semitic anti Semitic thing
Speaker 1: he says in Radio Interess. In his proo, he also
Speaker 1: is getting like very very hardcore anti American, but like
Speaker 1: from the from the anti Semiti direction. And there's a
Speaker 1: story about so he's in Japan. He lives in Japan
Speaker 1: for a little bit, and he has a story where
Speaker 1: he goes to like he goes to a movie theater
Speaker 1: to like walk. I forget what the name of the
Speaker 1: movie is, but it's it's it's some movie about Pearl
Speaker 1: Harbor and when when when when like Pearl Harbor starts
Speaker 1: like maybe I don't remember, I don't know if it
Speaker 1: ever said what it was, but he like like so
Speaker 1: that which is also, by the way, the best Pearl
Speaker 1: Harbor movie. No, seriously, it was amazing. It was made
Speaker 1: with both like Japanese and American film cruise. It's a
Speaker 1: incredible movie. Yeah, yeah, check it out. Yeah, it came
Speaker 1: out in yeah, so you might. But he's like, so
Speaker 1: you guess the part where like they're they're doing the
Speaker 1: comic they're doing like the raids on Battleship Row, and
Speaker 1: like he he like jumps up and starts clapping, and
Speaker 1: he's like every everyone else in the theater is like
Speaker 1: a ram Japanese pirs, like why is this dude clapping
Speaker 1: at Pearl Harbor And he's just like incredibly confused. Why
Speaker 1: no one else it's like sitting there clapping. It's it's
Speaker 1: it's it's the whole thing. She also there's another thing,
Speaker 1: what do you every thing. He's obsessed with the end
Speaker 1: of his life. So he has this like storage locker
Speaker 1: that he put like some it was annotated chess games in,
Speaker 1: but he doesn't He never pays the deposits, and so
Speaker 1: eventually they like still hold his stuff even until they
Speaker 1: changes the deposits. But then the company gets brought by
Speaker 1: another company. They're like looking through their books, You're like, Okay,
Speaker 1: we have the storage locker full of crap that's not
Speaker 1: being paid for, so we're gonna auction it off. And
Speaker 1: Bobby Fisher like someone someone buys all of the stuff
Speaker 1: in the box and gives it to him. But for
Speaker 1: the rest of his life he he has this giant
Speaker 1: rant he goes on anytime someone interviews him about how
Speaker 1: he got robbed and how the rebellions of dollars and
Speaker 1: merchandise in it, and how there was like a giant
Speaker 1: Jewish conspiracy, and about how like Bill Clinton was secretly
Speaker 1: Jewish and like was conspiring to take the ship that's
Speaker 1: like like holding container from him. It's I don't know,
Speaker 1: it's it's incredibly strange and and all of this culminates
Speaker 1: in this radio interview that he gives in the Philippines
Speaker 1: on nine eleven. Like literally this is like like like
Speaker 1: several hours after the towers have gone down. So I
Speaker 1: just want to play a little bit of like you
Speaker 1: can get a sense of like what Bobby Fisher sounds
Speaker 1: like when on this this thing that his interview is
Speaker 1: giving a nine eleven to a Filipino radio stations are
Speaker 1: wonderful time for them in the US to get that
Speaker 1: kick in say the Jews, the Jews are a criminal people. Thing.
Speaker 1: You don't get children, criminal ying factors they made up.
Speaker 1: He was increasingly yeah that oh oh boy, yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: So like it's a trip. There's like you there's interesting
Speaker 1: parts of it which like you can see where sort
Speaker 1: of like a like a lot of modern American political
Speaker 1: culture is going like that. You will hear a lot
Speaker 1: of people say ship that sounds like that, right, Like
Speaker 1: he's just combining it in a kind of weird way. Um,
Speaker 1: there's other things I saw I played like a there's
Speaker 1: like this interview is like pretty long. He there's just
Speaker 1: something like there's kind of this like Trumpian stuff in
Speaker 1: it too. He has this whole rants about like nobody
Speaker 1: has single handedly done more for the U S than me.
Speaker 1: I really believe this. I mean, man, you yeah, like
Speaker 1: you played it. You played a game. You played a
Speaker 1: move plastic pieces around the board like like like senior
Speaker 1: like the like like two of the most powerful American
Speaker 1: politicians who have ever lived had to like call you
Speaker 1: in order to get you to play the game. And
Speaker 1: you know, so the most famous part of and somehow
Speaker 1: we like Okay. So as this interview goes on, it
Speaker 1: gets progressively more anti semitic, and he goes on this
Speaker 1: rant about how he's hoping that like the country will
Speaker 1: be taken over by the army and they're like the
Speaker 1: they'll like close all the synagogues down and then like
Speaker 1: start arresting everyone is Jewish and like executing them. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: and and you know this, this finally does not go
Speaker 1: well for Bobby Fisher. And I think, like you know Fisher,
Speaker 1: Fisher's kind of Nazism, I think is it's something that
Speaker 1: kind of could have worked in the modern US. But
Speaker 1: the problem is, like he hasn't. He's gotten to a
Speaker 1: point where she just has no ability to sort of
Speaker 1: like like quote unquote hide his power over like all
Speaker 1: the modern American Nazis believe this ship. It's just that
Speaker 1: like they're they're slightly smarter than he Isn't don't say
Speaker 1: it out loud, but you know, he's a couple of
Speaker 1: moves behind. You might say, yeah, yeah, and like but
Speaker 1: like but you know, he's also he's also simultaneously like
Speaker 1: a bunch of moves ahead, right, because if you look
Speaker 1: at the lines that he's taking, right, it's like pro
Speaker 1: Serbia and the Bosnian genocide, like being against the Iraq
Speaker 1: war but also being anti Semitic, Like these are all
Speaker 1: coherent political positions in the US. After he dies, it's
Speaker 1: just that, like he even has a rant about how
Speaker 1: he like like appreciates the cultural purity of Islam because
Speaker 1: they're not like degenerating ship, which like could have been
Speaker 1: a ye, yet another similarity between Yeah, it's just that
Speaker 1: like he he just wasn't like good at doing the
Speaker 1: press and this finally Bobby Fisher, like finally after literally
Speaker 1: decades of him saying ship like this. And there's a
Speaker 1: bunch of other interviews before this that he's given where
Speaker 1: he says stuff like this, like finally, you know again
Speaker 1: and he said he's saying ship like this, like in
Speaker 1: a press conference in Belgrade. Well, the genocide is going
Speaker 1: on and nobody cared. But he made a mistake, which
Speaker 1: is that he said it on nine eleven and yeah,
Speaker 1: that's not going to go well. And he he is
Speaker 1: the first person on earth to learn that the line
Speaker 1: is nine eleven, right right before, right before Gilbert Godfried. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he even gave that's what Robert's favorite thinks. I I
Speaker 1: love Gilbert Godfried's nine eleven jokes. It's yeah, but like
Speaker 1: Fisher like, Okay, well, what are the what are the
Speaker 1: enduring legacies of this story? When people write about this, right,
Speaker 1: like the part they're the most horrified about tends to
Speaker 1: be the celebrating nine eleven, and they tend to downplay
Speaker 1: the part where he says he wants every jew in
Speaker 1: the US round it up and killed, like you know,
Speaker 1: because like again it's like the thing that he violated
Speaker 1: was like what's going to become the sort of sacred
Speaker 1: tableau of like nine eleven. But you know, and this
Speaker 1: is this is finally the moment where like the chess
Speaker 1: community turns on him. He gets kicked out of Fidel,
Speaker 1: so they let him back in later on, which is okay,
Speaker 1: feed a like sure choice, yeah, but like you know,
Speaker 1: like yeah, this is this is where we get to
Speaker 1: one of the things that I'm I'm optimistic about the
Speaker 1: Zoomers for because you really can't exaggerate the degree to
Speaker 1: which nine eleven was a religion for Americans for a
Speaker 1: very like most of the time that I was like,
Speaker 1: uh an adolescent um to young adult, and now Zoomer
Speaker 1: kids will like, I don't know, photoshop in fucking Burton
Speaker 1: Ernie as the tip twin Towers and like think nothing
Speaker 1: of it, Like there is it is has been desacralized
Speaker 1: to such an extent because of how fucking far we
Speaker 1: went in the other direction, and that's probably an accessary.
Speaker 1: I will say this, I like Fisher, I think is
Speaker 1: the is one of the few people who's ever done
Speaker 1: and I leventhing who genuinely deserves to be canceled for it,
Speaker 1: like it actually deserved to be canceled a long time
Speaker 1: before this. This is what she has been saying all
Speaker 1: of this ship basically for thirty years, right, I mean
Speaker 1: actually forty years because he gave his first interview. Were
Speaker 1: you talking about like hitting the Jews and like fucking
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty six? Look, I think I think on behalf
Speaker 1: of cool zone media, in behalf of the United States,
Speaker 1: I'd like to say, thank you Osama bin Laden for
Speaker 1: canceling getting Bobby Fisher canceled for all of us. Thank you,
Speaker 1: Yet yet another dub. What what I really like having
Speaker 1: health insurance? So shut up. Yeah, you can't get canceled
Speaker 1: for that kind of thing anymore, Sophie, you can't, Okay,
Speaker 1: So you know it's like you know, I I think
Speaker 1: I think a big part about this also was like
Speaker 1: the fact that everyone put up with this for so long,
Speaker 1: was this was a side I think sort of incredible
Speaker 1: amount of times. Yeah, people were like this is a
Speaker 1: period where it's a man from Saudi Arabia stepped up
Speaker 1: to this is this isn't I wonder who would win
Speaker 1: in a bin Laden Bobby Fisher anti Semitism off. That
Speaker 1: would have been a I don't know, pretty pretty pretty
Speaker 1: pretty pretty clear that that's an aliens versus predator situation
Speaker 1: I've ever heard one, But like, you know, okay, like
Speaker 1: like this is like like I guess I might say
Speaker 1: Laden did win, so that's true. Yeah, he he lived
Speaker 1: longer than Fisher did, so yeah, I'd be like, you know, okay,
Speaker 1: like like Bobbie Fisher like this was the US is
Speaker 1: guy in the could room, where like he he was
Speaker 1: America's hero, and like this is this is this is
Speaker 1: the guy that he is. But it's interesting Fisher is
Speaker 1: smart enough to recognize that he was just like nobody
Speaker 1: actually cared about him, right, he was just a sort
Speaker 1: of like a tool of like like the American Cold
Speaker 1: War machine. But he's a neo Nazi. So the conclusion
Speaker 1: he draws from this is just like more neo Nazium
Speaker 1: the Nazism. But on the other hands, after nine eleven,
Speaker 1: the US actually like starts playing to go after him
Speaker 1: and in two thousand three of the Justice Department, in
Speaker 1: a move that is defined by the Bush administrations and
Speaker 1: incredibly questionable grasp on legality, like revokes Fisher's passport without
Speaker 1: telling him. Now, they can't actually do this. It's funny,
Speaker 1: but yeah, like you know, the Bush administration versus Bobby
Speaker 1: Fisher is another one of those sort of alien predator things,
Speaker 1: like it's not good. Um. In two tho four, Bobby
Speaker 1: Fisher is in he's in Japan. He's trying to like
Speaker 1: fly home to the Philippe and he gets arrested. Now,
Speaker 1: this is kind of funny in that like Bobby Fisher
Speaker 1: getting rested in Japan is like he he like he
Speaker 1: really went to Japan thinking these guys were like his boys.
Speaker 1: And then they hold him an airport jail, which is
Speaker 1: apparently a thing that exists, and then move him to
Speaker 1: a maximum security like immigrant attention facility because he just
Speaker 1: keeps on like complaining and getting in fights with the
Speaker 1: guards and okay, so like yeah, like it's it's like
Speaker 1: at one point he starts complaining that his soft boiled
Speaker 1: a's were actually hard boiled and this this this leads
Speaker 1: to him getting into a fight with his prison guards. Um, Like,
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean there's a really big difference there,
Speaker 1: that's true. I'm like, and then this is like, you know,
Speaker 1: solidarity on the egg issue. Yeah, I mean it also
Speaker 1: like Bobbie Fisher is not a good guy, right, But
Speaker 1: it's also worth noting that like every single Japanese police
Speaker 1: officer is at all times two bad days away from
Speaker 1: like horse in the Rising Sun flag and hunting down
Speaker 1: every Korean in a three mile radius. So this this
Speaker 1: is another they both suck situation. Yeah, like you said,
Speaker 1: alien predator versus predator. And at this point, so Bobby
Speaker 1: like is really trying to fight getting extradited into the
Speaker 1: US because if they send it back to the US,
Speaker 1: the Bush administration will just put his ass in prison
Speaker 1: for like a decade. And so she tries to renounce
Speaker 1: his US citizenship so he gets to put in somewhere else.
Speaker 1: Except the problem is to renounce your citizenship like formally,
Speaker 1: someone from the embassy has to show up and see
Speaker 1: you do it, and the EMPISSOE refuses to send anyone.
Speaker 1: So just hand even and renounce your citizenship, right just
Speaker 1: read very tries to get asylum. Oh my god, so funny.
Speaker 1: So yeah, okay, so so for the rest of his life. Right.
Speaker 1: He claims that he's not a US citizen, and the
Speaker 1: U s citizen, and the US claims that he is
Speaker 1: still a US citizen. So she tries to get asylum
Speaker 1: and wait, wait for this, wait, it's I I am here. Germany, Cuba,
Speaker 1: North Korea, Libya, Iran, Venezuela, Switzerland, and Montenegro, all of
Speaker 1: whom are like, no funk off, wow, Olibya wouldn't even
Speaker 1: take him when Momar Kadafi won't take you, like you
Speaker 1: you fair to be fair to bout your fishing here.
Speaker 1: This is two thousand three more Margaret Daffi, who's like
Speaker 1: posing up to the Bush administration. So this is this
Speaker 1: is the worst time to business, is the worst time.
Speaker 1: But he is also but still it's it's North Korea.
Speaker 1: They love taking people and if it they'll piss off
Speaker 1: the United States. Yeah, and even they're like, I don't
Speaker 1: know about this guy, Like we don't need Korea doesn't
Speaker 1: need this press, you know. So all right, and well,
Speaker 1: while he's in like immigration prison, I don't know how
Speaker 1: to preface this, so I'm just gonna read it. Fisher
Speaker 1: then announced that he was gonna marry Mayoko what Tai,
Speaker 1: his longtime companion. I could be a pawn sacrifice, he
Speaker 1: said to the press. But in Chester is such a
Speaker 1: thing as pawn promotion when a pawn could become a queen.
Speaker 1: Bobby Son is my king, and I will become his queen.
Speaker 1: I got nothing. I don't know he So they get
Speaker 1: married and after nine months, but Bobby is able to
Speaker 1: assemble like an incredibly elite team of random guys from Iceland.
Speaker 1: And because there's only seven people in Icelands, like these
Speaker 1: random guys in Iceland were able to convince the Icelandic
Speaker 1: parliament to like give him citizenship, and so he's able
Speaker 1: to get like I think what he wound up getting
Speaker 1: a good one? How the fund did that happen? Well,
Speaker 1: here's the thing, though, he hates Iceland. Well, okay, I
Speaker 1: guess that's that'sships to true. Yeah, that's a good one.
Speaker 1: But I don't know. He's some help and angles. This
Speaker 1: Icelandic politics is a joke a bit didn't look Iceland.
Speaker 1: If you're out there, give me citizenship. You'll get all
Speaker 1: of the benefits of having Robert Evans as a citizen.
Speaker 1: I I assure you there's some Yeah, we will. We
Speaker 1: will be compiling a list which will get after you
Speaker 1: give him citizenship. Oh yeah, no, we'll have a long list.
Speaker 1: It's gonna You're gonna everyone will be doing real well
Speaker 1: when I'm a citizen. I'm gonna bring pride to Iceland.
Speaker 1: So Bobby, the other hand, he hate he hates Iceland.
Speaker 1: He spends the rest of his life just like pissing
Speaker 1: off all of his friends. And by by the time
Speaker 1: he dies in a hospital. Okay, so he doesn't even
Speaker 1: want to be taken to a hospital, but he's like
Speaker 1: so fucked up that like his like two remaining friends
Speaker 1: are like, okay, we'll bring drops will he dies there
Speaker 1: and by this time he has like very little left
Speaker 1: and okay, this would be the end of the story
Speaker 1: of Bobby Fisher, except three years after he died. Sorry
Speaker 1: I said it fucking ought to be. Yeah, but it's not,
Speaker 1: because he three years after he dies, they have to
Speaker 1: dig up his body to settle a egle fight about
Speaker 1: who would get all his money, which I think that
Speaker 1: well because okay, so he does the whole thing where
Speaker 1: he was like with several people and I forget which
Speaker 1: of his like wives kind of or people he was
Speaker 1: with like claimed that someone like their son was his son,
Speaker 1: but it turned out that that son was actually another
Speaker 1: person's son. So I had to do that. They had
Speaker 1: to dig up his grave. Well, yeah, that is that
Speaker 1: that That is the story of Bobby Fisher Chestnut least
Speaker 1: it is. Yeah, he I don't I don't know if
Speaker 1: getting to live out the rest of his life in
Speaker 1: Iceland is like what he deserved. But he was miserable,
Speaker 1: so sometimes that's all you can hope for. Yeah, he
Speaker 1: died very sad. Well that's that's mostly what I wanted
Speaker 1: for Bobby, was for him to die sad because don't
Speaker 1: like him. Do you have any plug a bus for us? Mia? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I I do a podcast called take It Happen Here
Speaker 1: And yeah I'm I'm on Twitter at a c h
Speaker 1: R three and you can find me. They're doing stuff
Speaker 1: cool hell Yeah, Well that's gonna do it for all
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