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Speaker 1: I'm Bill O'Riley and this is the O'Reilly Factor podcast.

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Speaker 1: What Sophie, remember beverage in man if I spill it

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Speaker 1: everyone's mad at Bill O'Riley because he speaks the truth, Sophie,

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Speaker 1: I'm mad at you. Well, that's fair. This is Behind

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Speaker 1: the Bastards, a podcast about the worst people in all

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Speaker 1: But we are we are not talking about Bill O'Riley today.

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Speaker 1: We are instead talking about Bobby Fisher. Chess Nazi Um

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Speaker 1: also featured in the Hilltop Hood song Cosby Sweater, which

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Speaker 1: is not about Bill Cosby's crimes. It's actually a reference

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Speaker 1: to Biggie. So it's okay, it's fine, you can enjoy

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Speaker 1: the song. Mia. How are you doing doing? Okay, We're

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Speaker 1: we're we're heading into the downhill stretch of this this

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Speaker 1: Friday afternoon, and also the downhill stretch of the life

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Speaker 1: of one Bobby Fisher. So it's good, that's good. I

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Speaker 1: Bobby Fisher's life. Unfortunately, it gets really bad before it

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Speaker 1: gonna have we we it's only getting worse out. Okay,

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Speaker 1: well let's uh, let's right ruin my Friday afternoon please,

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Speaker 1: So all right, when when when we last left, when

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Speaker 1: And also like people are just like like just just

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Speaker 1: and this is where Fisher gets into the business he's

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Speaker 1: which is the dictator business. Now, okay, it's important to

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Speaker 1: He is about to torture while, but he has a

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Speaker 1: not true. They did. They did actually accused Bobby Fisher

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Speaker 1: I I don't know. I I didn't read this book

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Speaker 1: let's continue. So all right, when the last let's Bobby Fisher, right,

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Speaker 1: he people people are refusing to work with him because

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Speaker 1: he's a Nazi. So okay, what what what? What do you?

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Speaker 1: What is he saying that people are like, this guy's

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Speaker 1: a Nazi. Eventually a he has like a kind of relationship.

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Speaker 1: He's like, how old is he in the nineties, like

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Speaker 1: late forties, has this kind of relationship with like an

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Speaker 1: eighteen year old and he's gonna do this like that.

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Speaker 1: To be fair, it's not great to be fair to

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Speaker 1: Bobby Fisher. I don't I couldn't find any evidence that

446
00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:30,359
Speaker 1: he actually did anything with anyone underage, but he really

447
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Speaker 1: seems to like like eighteen and nineteen year olds. Um.

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Speaker 1: And at one point one of like this, this woman

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Speaker 1: named Kita like gets a talking to him and uh,

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Speaker 1: this this is this is a description of what of

451
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Speaker 1: what he's saying. This is still a night just like

452
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Speaker 1: in like nineteen he told her that the reason he

453
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Speaker 1: wasn't playing like chess was because the Russians cheat, and

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Speaker 1: over the course of future letters and phone calls, he

455
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Speaker 1: elaborated on his theory regarding how the game's played by

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Speaker 1: Kasparov and Karpov had all been pre arranged, and that

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Speaker 1: he believed that Kasparov and Karpov react the Asians of

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Speaker 1: the Russian regime. He asked if she was Jewish, everyone

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Speaker 1: who was Soviet and everyone who is Jewish cannot be trusted,

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Speaker 1: he affirmed, So, all right, on the one hand, we

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Speaker 1: we we got some menti Semitism here um. But I

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Speaker 1: also I also wanted there's two other things I want

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Speaker 1: to focus on. One is that okay, ay, he's still

464
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Speaker 1: mad about those people drawing in a tournament in nineteen

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Speaker 1: seventy It's now nineteen ninety and two. Okay, so like

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Speaker 1: there was kind of collusion going on between some of

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Speaker 1: the Soviet grandmasters the Kasparov and Karpov games, and I

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Speaker 1: kind of emphasize this enough. Are absolutely not being rapped,

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Speaker 1: This is nonsense. Castrov and Karpov, for people who don't know,

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Speaker 1: are like the two best chess Cat Cat Karpov basically

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Speaker 1: from by nine seventy five, and then Castrov comes in

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Speaker 1: in like the mid eighties, and these two are the best,

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Speaker 1: indisputedly the best players in the world. Who aren't Nam

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Speaker 1: Bobby Fisher for like this entire period, And okay, I

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Speaker 1: actually think cast rows better than Fisher, wasn't his height,

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Speaker 1: but castrovver never gets to play him. Um, cast raph

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Speaker 1: and Karpov played like a bunch of World championships against

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Speaker 1: each other, and they fucking hate each other. It's not

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Speaker 1: clear to me if any other two players in the

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Speaker 1: entire history of competitive chests have ever hated each other

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Speaker 1: as much as Casparov and Karpov do. Uh Like, Kasparov

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Speaker 1: like to this day, is a Russian dissident. Karpov is

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Speaker 1: like the Soviet Golden Boys, as best as I could tell,

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Speaker 1: Like to this, this rivalry starts in the eighties. It

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Speaker 1: is now three they still hate each other. Um Karpov

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Speaker 1: is now a Putin loyalist at Kasparov's still I guess

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Speaker 1: the Russian dissident. Like at one point, it gets the

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Speaker 1: point where in one of the World Championship matches both

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Speaker 1: sides have like rivaling groups of like hypnotists and mystics

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Speaker 1: and each like sitting sitting in the room trying to

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Speaker 1: like like hypnotize and counteract the hypnosis. It's it's wild

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Speaker 1: these people just like I kind of amazize enough how

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Speaker 1: much these people just spy each other, and how much

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Speaker 1: Bobby Fisher has just like completely gone off the rails

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Speaker 1: are doing at this whole thing is staged. And for

496
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Speaker 1: Fisher meanwhile, is like he's living in his tiny apartment

497
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Speaker 1: that is just entirely filled with a combination of like

498
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Speaker 1: books and of cassette tapes that he recorded of his

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Speaker 1: anti Semitic conspiracy theories. And I tried to track these

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Speaker 1: down and I couldn't find them. I don't know, maybe

501
00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:20,240
Speaker 1: they exist somewhere, but um from Endgame, apparently they were

502
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Speaker 1: materials for quote a book that would prove how the

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Speaker 1: Soviets cheated in Chess. Now. And the other thing he's

504
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:29,760
Speaker 1: still mad about is Nixon. It turned out actually lied

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Speaker 1: to him when he said he'd come to the White

506
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Speaker 1: House and never let him go to the White House,

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Speaker 1: which I guess is what you get for trusting Richard Nixon. Yeah,

508
00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:40,439
Speaker 1: not not, not ever, gonna be your best bet. And

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Speaker 1: he is still mad about this, like twenty years later,

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Speaker 1: he is like incensed you get to go to the

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Speaker 1: White House. But while all of this is going on

512
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Speaker 1: behind the scenes, that the Cranks are still turning on

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Speaker 1: this sort of like comeback match like Bobby Fisher Boris Spassky,

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Speaker 1: like World Champion jab rematch thing, and eventually they find

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Speaker 1: someone willing to pay five million dollars from a match.

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Speaker 1: That guy's name is oh boy, I I Jeddah's mere

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Speaker 1: velis Vic. He's often just called Gazda Jesda, which is

518
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Speaker 1: roughly means Jesda the boss who is the president of

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Speaker 1: the Judo Scanning Bank and what remains of Yugoslavia. And

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Speaker 1: it is at this point in the career of Bobby Fisher,

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Speaker 1: as he is about to play his first professional match

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Speaker 1: of chess in almost twenty years in the remains of Yugoslavia,

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Speaker 1: that we need to talk about the Bosnian genocide. Oh boy, yeah,

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Speaker 1: not not not. I'm gonna I'm gonna bet he has

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Speaker 1: fun opinions on on Bosnian's Yeah, oh yeah, it's oh boy.

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Speaker 1: So all right, before we go any further, I need

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Speaker 1: to lay out an accusation here, which is that I

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Speaker 1: think that most of the chess accounts of Bobby Fisher's

529
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Speaker 1: actions in this period are at the very least lying

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Speaker 1: to the readers by omission. And I think a lot

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Speaker 1: of them are a definitely engaging in genocide denial by

532
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Speaker 1: not telling their readers, like what he's going on in

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Speaker 1: you like quote unquote Yugoslavia because it's Poslavia at this point. No, No,

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Speaker 1: it's yeah, Serbia and Bosnia and Hena right, um, well,

535
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Speaker 1: and and like you know, and the other thing about this,

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Speaker 1: right is it like the place that yeah, well, so

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Speaker 1: it's set two and like technically speaking, there is a

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Speaker 1: country called Yugoslavia. And when when people write about this

539
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Speaker 1: stuff like, oh, you're playing Yugoslavia, but this is this

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Speaker 1: is not like Yugoslavia in the sense of like the

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Speaker 1: state that had existed up until this point. This is

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Speaker 1: a basically a rump state controlled by genocidal Serbian ethno nationalists.

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Speaker 1: And but by the time Bobby Fisher gets there, and

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Speaker 1: he gets there in late next nty two, right, the

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Speaker 1: siege of Sarajevo has already begun. There's a bunch of

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Speaker 1: peace protesters have already been gunned down by Serbian militias. Uh,

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Speaker 1: the Yugoslav People's RB quote unquote is just fully under

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Speaker 1: control of the sort of Serbiano nationalists. Is shelling the

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Speaker 1: city of Sarajevo, and like, and the other thing that's

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Speaker 1: important to know about important to understand about out when

551
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:04,040
Speaker 1: Fisher gets there, is that the Bosnian genocide has already started,

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Speaker 1: right but Bossians Bosnians are already you know, being Bossian

553
00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:09,760
Speaker 1: Muslims are being routed up and killed by Serbian forces.

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00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:13,000
Speaker 1: Serbian militias have a ready setup concentration camps that the

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Speaker 1: sort of like the mass rape of Bossian women has started.

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Speaker 1: And you know, we are like by the time Fisher

557
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Speaker 1: is going to this place to to do his first

558
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Speaker 1: public appearance in twenty years, we are like well into

559
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Speaker 1: one of the worst things to happen in Europe in

560
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Speaker 1: a century that saw Europe have some of the worst

561
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Speaker 1: things that's ever happened to two d thousand year history

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Speaker 1: of humanity. And yeah, and so like by the time

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Speaker 1: that by the time the term and has started, like

564
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Speaker 1: there are already fifty thousand people dead in the series

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Speaker 1: of wars that sort of the Serbian ethno nationalists have

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Speaker 1: waged against Croatia and Bosnia. And you know, okay, like

567
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Speaker 1: so you get like to get a sort of sense

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Speaker 1: of how bad things are if you're Bosnian. Right, So

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Speaker 1: the Serbian like ether nationalists have at this point, they

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Speaker 1: have taken control of like one of the world's best

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Speaker 1: equipped armies, right, like you go, Slavia was like a

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Speaker 1: giant arms I mean. For an idea of how good

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Speaker 1: relatively competent the Yugoslavian military was, read Balkan history all

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Speaker 1: the way up to the period where Tito takes over,

575
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Speaker 1: and then read Balkan history for the period where Tito

576
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Speaker 1: was in power, Like yeah, they keep the Balkans for

577
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Speaker 1: quite a while from going to war and no one

578
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Speaker 1: else really does that. Yeah, and you know, and and

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Speaker 1: but the problem is again by this point, like does

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Speaker 1: the serpients have just fully taken over that that way?

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Speaker 1: And like when when when the when the war against

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Speaker 1: when when the creations like trying to like when the

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Speaker 1: creations like leave Yugoslavia because their their alternative is staying

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Speaker 1: in there and being ruled by like Milosavik and these

585
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Speaker 1: sort of like like just absolutely yeah, yeah, Like by

586
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Speaker 1: the time they start this, like the creations are literally

587
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:53,520
Speaker 1: they are like rating their own museums and like going

588
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Speaker 1: to film sets trying to find old world rule two

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Speaker 1: World wards, old World War God, why can I not

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Speaker 1: say World War two cheese Wow hacking a fraud, just

591
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Speaker 1: call it w W two. Yeah. Yeah, they're they're finding

592
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Speaker 1: old w W. That's that's my favorite way to say it. Yeah,

593
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Speaker 1: like like they are, they're they're they're like in film

594
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Speaker 1: sets recovering weapons that were originally like dropped, like dropping

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Speaker 1: the creation by Tito and the Partisans in nine And

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Speaker 1: you know, okay, so the create If you think the

597
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Speaker 1: creations are in bad shape, those are the people the

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Speaker 1: Bosnians are buying weapons from. Are the guys raiding their

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Speaker 1: own museums for World War two errow weapons? Ah, so

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Speaker 1: that's gonna go well yeah, yeah, So Balie Fisher is

601
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Speaker 1: playing in a chess tournament in a country that has

602
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Speaker 1: already committed a genocide. Right there, they are, they're already

603
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:44,040
Speaker 1: doing it. It has already started, and this entire tournament

604
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Speaker 1: is being run as a pr by Gaza Jesda as

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Speaker 1: this you know, the sort of like statement against like

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Speaker 1: the U S and U N like UH sanctions against

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Speaker 1: Serbia and like, you know, we're gonna show the world

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Speaker 1: how ridiculous these like oppressive sanctions are. And you know,

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Speaker 1: you can talk about how much good like Sanctius did

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Speaker 1: or didn't do. I mean, there's one part of it

611
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:05,120
Speaker 1: don't like doesn't get talked about very much, which is

612
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Speaker 1: that so there's a weapons in Bargo, right that's imposed

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Speaker 1: on on Yugoslavia, but it's also Milita. It pushes for

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Speaker 1: it to get imposed on literally everyone, which means that

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00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:19,200
Speaker 1: you know, this represent Bargo is kind of find for like,

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Speaker 1: serve the Serbian army because they already have all these weapons.

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Speaker 1: But you know, the Bosnians can't now like our under

618
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Speaker 1: sanctions and can't buy weapons anymore, and you know, okay,

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Speaker 1: so so in in an effort to stop violence, the

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Speaker 1: international community limited the group of people who already didn't

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Speaker 1: have guns from getting more guns, and then they were

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Speaker 1: victims of a genocide. Good thing that's never happened again, yep,

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Speaker 1: oh god. And you know, and like part part of

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Speaker 1: the other story about this is like the Serbians really think,

625
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:51,920
Speaker 1: and they're right for a lot of the period of

626
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Speaker 1: time is going on, like they think they can get

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Speaker 1: the West under side, because the West will be like, oh,

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Speaker 1: we need them to fight like Islamic extremism. And you

629
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Speaker 1: know that famously never led to anything absolutely horrific happening.

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Speaker 1: Uh then or later. But you know the reason I'm

631
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Speaker 1: talking about all of this is, you know, the economic

632
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Speaker 1: sanctions are still sort of reaching havoc in Serbia, and

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Speaker 1: but bypassing those sanctions are is like one of gozags

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00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:18,920
Speaker 1: like main jobs. So this guy, the guy who's like

635
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:22,000
Speaker 1: paying for this tournament, right, is running like one of

636
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:24,680
Speaker 1: the largest banks that like remains in sort of like

637
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:28,520
Speaker 1: this like shattered like Yugoslavia shell. The problem is it's

638
00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:33,719
Speaker 1: a ponzi scheme um. So he's offering fifteen percent returns

639
00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:37,160
Speaker 1: on deposits. Everyone's like, well, look at look, look like

640
00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:39,480
Speaker 1: how connected he is to like the Serbian political class,

641
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:42,160
Speaker 1: Like would our leaders ever associate with someone crooked? No,

642
00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:45,399
Speaker 1: this must be fine. It must be that he can

643
00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:49,120
Speaker 1: just get returns because he's not greedy. And Okay, So

644
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:53,560
Speaker 1: that's the part that like we can confirm he was doing,

645
00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:57,440
Speaker 1: is is that he's running this ponzi scheme um. Everything

646
00:34:57,480 --> 00:34:59,160
Speaker 1: I feel like it is really murky. There's there's the

647
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:02,360
Speaker 1: like persistent claims that he was smuggling weapons from Israel

648
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:06,279
Speaker 1: to the Serbian army. Um. Yeah, the source of this

649
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:09,320
Speaker 1: is is someone who was the former Serbian Minister of Defense,

650
00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:13,200
Speaker 1: who like testified against BLOCIFIC at the Hague. I don't know,

651
00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:16,799
Speaker 1: I think it's possible. I I'm not gonna like definitively

652
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:22,000
Speaker 1: say it's true, because I couldn't confirm it. But what

653
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:23,759
Speaker 1: what does seem to have been true is that this

654
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:26,440
Speaker 1: bank is part of how the Serbian government is avoiding

655
00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:29,800
Speaker 1: UN sanctions. Um melosivic very quickly like the when you know,

656
00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:31,680
Speaker 1: when when we start start, when he starts all of

657
00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:34,920
Speaker 1: these wars, right, he very quickly seizes like billions of

658
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:37,560
Speaker 1: dollars in foreign deposits in like Serbian banks, in order

659
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:39,640
Speaker 1: to get ahold of the value incredibly valuable U s

660
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:42,880
Speaker 1: dollars they contain. Now, okay, so a little bit of

661
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:45,560
Speaker 1: economics and stuff. You need U s dollars to buy things.

662
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:48,440
Speaker 1: You typically have to be in the four of US dollars.

663
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:50,439
Speaker 1: One of the most important things you need to buy

664
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:53,279
Speaker 1: with that is oil um, which can like it's very

665
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:55,000
Speaker 1: difficult to buy all of us not in U S

666
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:58,080
Speaker 1: dollars um and you know, but by getting people to

667
00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:01,560
Speaker 1: invest like a real American dollars or like German marks

668
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:03,279
Speaker 1: in this ponzi scheme, which you can either buy things

669
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:05,840
Speaker 1: from Germany, you're used to get like dollars, the government's

670
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:09,759
Speaker 1: able to bypass the sanctions, and the bank itself at

671
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:12,319
Speaker 1: very least once and probably other times seems to have

672
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:16,600
Speaker 1: been like directly running oil through the blockade. Now just

673
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:19,319
Speaker 1: to also claims that milosa Vic like forced him to

674
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:23,160
Speaker 1: fund a bunch of paramilitary like death squads, and I

675
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:27,120
Speaker 1: don't know, like the guy's a pathological liar, so who

676
00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:28,799
Speaker 1: knows that that's true. On the other hand, there are

677
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:30,480
Speaker 1: a bunch of death squads in this period that are

678
00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:34,640
Speaker 1: getting funded by partially the Serbian government and partially like

679
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 1: incredible sketchy story, So who knows he might actually be

680
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:41,520
Speaker 1: telling the truth here. It's unclear. But you know, of

681
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:44,120
Speaker 1: course the thing that he's also just stealing an enormous

682
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:46,160
Speaker 1: amount of money, because again this is all a POSEI scheme.

683
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:51,040
Speaker 1: And hilariously, this this whole whole like show match that

684
00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:52,759
Speaker 1: he's funding is actually like one of the things that

685
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:57,799
Speaker 1: brings down his bank. Because so she just from the

686
00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 1: Washington Post the court act it alleging that the bank

687
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:03,839
Speaker 1: had failed to make promise payments to Private Enterprise, which

688
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:07,719
Speaker 1: is another bank, including those for leasing this sevet Ley

689
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:11,360
Speaker 1: Stephen the resort where Jalstis staged the opening games of

690
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:15,320
Speaker 1: the chess match between Bobby Fisher and Boris Boris Spasky

691
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:20,200
Speaker 1: last September. So he like defaults on like his rent

692
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:24,520
Speaker 1: payment for this resort, and the court seeses like a

693
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:26,160
Speaker 1: bunch of this sort of oil that he was running

694
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 1: through the blockade. And at this point everyone begins to

695
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 1: sort of realize that, wait, hold on, this is a

696
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:36,680
Speaker 1: Ponzi scheme, and he he like flees to uh he

697
00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:39,960
Speaker 1: he flees to Israel. And then later on it is

698
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:41,840
Speaker 1: like sentences tend used for like financial crime, so that

699
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:46,680
Speaker 1: this is the guy who's running the show match. Um,

700
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:48,880
Speaker 1: and okay, here here's from endgame about sort of what

701
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:52,000
Speaker 1: the effect of this show matches. When the match's venue

702
00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:55,520
Speaker 1: was moved to Belgrade, Slabadel Milosovic, the president of Serbia,

703
00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:58,319
Speaker 1: met Bobby and Spassky and asked to be photographed with

704
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:01,480
Speaker 1: the two. He used the Asian to trumpet is propaganda

705
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:05,080
Speaker 1: to the international press, quote, this match is important because

706
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:09,040
Speaker 1: it has played well. Yugoslavia is under unjustified blockade that

707
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:12,280
Speaker 1: in its best ways proves that chess and sports cannot

708
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:15,200
Speaker 1: be limited by politics. Melosavik was later charged with crimes

709
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:18,440
Speaker 1: against humanity by the International Criminal Tribunal in the Hague

710
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:23,319
Speaker 1: and died in prison. He sure did. Yeah, but you know,

711
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:26,320
Speaker 1: the really depressing thing about this is like this pr

712
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:29,680
Speaker 1: effort worked, Right, there are vast swas so sort of

713
00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:33,240
Speaker 1: the international left, including like mainstream progressives you like wouldn't

714
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:38,040
Speaker 1: expect to be, you know, backing a genocidal fascist who

715
00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:40,279
Speaker 1: will to this day hold that like what happened to

716
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:43,120
Speaker 1: Yugoslavia was actually like NATO tow and apart from being socialist.

717
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:45,320
Speaker 1: And you know, like never mind the fact that Milosivik

718
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:47,759
Speaker 1: was a career banker who is like he is the

719
00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:50,239
Speaker 1: guy who like does a bunch of structural adjustments, right,

720
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:53,600
Speaker 1: like he like he became the butcher of the old

721
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:55,840
Speaker 1: social economy before he became the butcher of Bosnia. And

722
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:58,120
Speaker 1: you know, never mind that like his turn to like

723
00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:01,960
Speaker 1: genocidal ethno nationalism is like what the destroyed Yugoslavia. Never

724
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:04,000
Speaker 1: mind that like Serbian fascist carry out a genocide and

725
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:06,799
Speaker 1: I was pulled off another one. Like there are like

726
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:10,080
Speaker 1: enormous numbers of people who today believe that, like what

727
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:13,320
Speaker 1: what happened in this war was like Serb resistance and

728
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:17,759
Speaker 1: NATO imperialism is like okay, like yeah, like NATO sucks. Also,

729
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:19,800
Speaker 1: these people were trying to kill every Muslim in Bosnia

730
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:23,799
Speaker 1: and they almost did it. And this pr thing right,

731
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:27,080
Speaker 1: like the other thing about about the Fisher tournaments, like

732
00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:30,359
Speaker 1: the kind of pryamis this is also a key part

733
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:33,319
Speaker 1: of how of how the Serbian regime is able to

734
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 1: sort of like keep like keep anyone else from getting

735
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:39,800
Speaker 1: involved in this by sort of playing different international powers

736
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:41,200
Speaker 1: off each other so I could get more time to

737
00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:44,360
Speaker 1: seize land and do the genocide. And you know, okay,

738
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:49,040
Speaker 1: So Fisher doesn't care about this ship, like he's like, yeah,

739
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:51,360
Speaker 1: fuck it, like I'll I'll do I'll do Popaganti for blows.

740
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:54,280
Speaker 1: This is fine. Um, the US tries to stop Fisher

741
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:59,120
Speaker 1: from playing the show match. So right before like he's

742
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:04,360
Speaker 1: about to leave for uh for Belgrade, the US Treasury

743
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:07,320
Speaker 1: sends him a letter that's like, do not go. It

744
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:09,319
Speaker 1: is a violation of the sanctions that we put out.

745
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:13,000
Speaker 1: I'm going to read from the letter violations of the

746
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:15,760
Speaker 1: Executive Order, which is the sections are punishable by civil

747
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:18,880
Speaker 1: penalties not exceeding ten tho dollars per violation and by

748
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:22,520
Speaker 1: criminal penalties not exceeding two or dollars per individual, ten

749
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:26,720
Speaker 1: years in prison, or both. You're hereby directed to refrain

750
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:32,120
Speaker 1: from engaging in any of the activities described above, and Fisher.

751
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:36,279
Speaker 1: Fisher's lawyer tells Fisher like, don't play this, like this

752
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:37,919
Speaker 1: is actually gonna go really badly for you, and Bobby

753
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:40,359
Speaker 1: Fishers like that, fuck you, like I'm going to I'm

754
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:42,239
Speaker 1: going to play this charter, but the US government can't

755
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:43,839
Speaker 1: tell me what to do, and so, you know he does,

756
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:46,920
Speaker 1: but you know it is in sort of classic like

757
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:52,120
Speaker 1: Bobby Fisher fashioned. Um. He he throws just another giant

758
00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:55,560
Speaker 1: chess like temper tantrum, his list of demands, continuing to

759
00:40:55,600 --> 00:41:02,120
Speaker 1: create yeah, every single time, every single time, like so consistent, yea,

760
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:04,279
Speaker 1: and every single time so will sets up a chess batter.

761
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:07,480
Speaker 1: They're like, Bobby Fisher will be reasonable those times, like no, no,

762
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:09,480
Speaker 1: you're you are not going to be the person that

763
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:12,080
Speaker 1: make Bobby Fisher behave like a noble human being. He's

764
00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:16,840
Speaker 1: like physically yeah, and then this is this is this

765
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:18,160
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know. I think this might be

766
00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:21,759
Speaker 1: the funniest one of these that he does. His list

767
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:25,000
Speaker 1: of demands continued to grow. Justice strategy of appeasement was

768
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:27,240
Speaker 1: to give him whatever he wanted, even though the item

769
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:30,040
Speaker 1: might not have been mentioned in the contract. Bobby rejected

770
00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:33,400
Speaker 1: six tables as inadequate before asking for one from the

771
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:38,680
Speaker 1: nineteen fifty Chess Olympics and Dubrovnik. Even even that one

772
00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:41,600
Speaker 1: had to be slightly altered by a carpenter to satisfy

773
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:44,560
Speaker 1: his demands. The pieces had to have the right hefton

774
00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:46,440
Speaker 1: color when he shows the same set that had been

775
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:50,680
Speaker 1: played in the Dubrovnik Olympics. He particularly liked the small

776
00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:53,719
Speaker 1: color contrast dome on the bishop's head, which prevented their

777
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:56,759
Speaker 1: being confused with ponds, which like, you're like one of

778
00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:59,360
Speaker 1: the best chess players, Ever, how are you getting confused

779
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:03,080
Speaker 1: between a bishop in a pawn? Like what? Okay, I

780
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:07,360
Speaker 1: don't know, Baffle, It's difficult to believe. But Bobby rejected

781
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:09,960
Speaker 1: one set because the length of the Night's nose was

782
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:13,319
Speaker 1: too long. The anti Semitic symbolism was hardly lost on

783
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:19,600
Speaker 1: those who heard the complaint. Oh my god, oh my god. Yeah,

784
00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:25,080
Speaker 1: come on, come on, man, don't yeah fucking calling your

785
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:32,080
Speaker 1: chest pieces Like yeah, what do you? What do you

786
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:34,000
Speaker 1: even say? To that, what do you say to a

787
00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:38,080
Speaker 1: man who's so racist? He's racist? He scrutinizes his chest

788
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:42,319
Speaker 1: pieces to see if they have Semitic noses, Like what

789
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:46,440
Speaker 1: is well, giving five million dollars, I don't know if

790
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:48,399
Speaker 1: this is what keeps happening. They just ken't just keep

791
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:52,520
Speaker 1: giving him money. So all right, So he shows up

792
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:55,239
Speaker 1: and he plays this match, and a ship tone of

793
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:58,000
Speaker 1: journalist show up to cover this, and literally there were

794
00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:01,080
Speaker 1: people being herded into concentration two and a half hours

795
00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:04,160
Speaker 1: away from where this match is being played, right, and

796
00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:06,759
Speaker 1: the sort of like funk that, like there's a chess

797
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:09,200
Speaker 1: match going on and these people and they never think

798
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:11,480
Speaker 1: about the journalists, right, you know, Okay, it would have

799
00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:15,120
Speaker 1: cost them like zero total dollars right to go cover

800
00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:17,279
Speaker 1: the gender side that was happening. They have to pay

801
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:22,319
Speaker 1: one thousand dollars to cover the event. And while they're

802
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:25,240
Speaker 1: covering the event, they get some classic Bobby Fisher lines.

803
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:27,800
Speaker 1: So there's the thing things he says to the press. Quote,

804
00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:31,360
Speaker 1: Soviet communism is basically a mask for Bolshevism, which is

805
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:36,200
Speaker 1: a mask for Judaism. Okay, I mean that's pretty basic stuff. Yeah,

806
00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:38,200
Speaker 1: But but the thing that tarts about the right. It's like, okay,

807
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:40,040
Speaker 1: so there's like modern versions of it, right, but like

808
00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:42,920
Speaker 1: normally they have like the Democratic parties and mask bullshist,

809
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:45,719
Speaker 1: But like, what do you mean Soviet communism is a

810
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:48,960
Speaker 1: mask for Bolshevism. It's the same thing, like, yeah, yeah,

811
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:51,640
Speaker 1: it is weird to say that Soviet Communism is a

812
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:54,960
Speaker 1: mask for Bolshevists. I don't even think about that, but yes,

813
00:43:55,000 --> 00:44:00,400
Speaker 1: that is deeply peculiar. He hasn't like saying these eos

814
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:05,920
Speaker 1: are disguising themselves as capitalists. Well they're not really. The

815
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:07,880
Speaker 1: other thing is funny about this is like when when

816
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:10,439
Speaker 1: you Rea sa boy fish, like you will constantly hear

817
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:12,480
Speaker 1: people like screaming about how he has a hundred and

818
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:15,040
Speaker 1: eight i Q and it's like he's just saying ship

819
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:19,000
Speaker 1: like like he can't even keep his anti Semitism into

820
00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:22,960
Speaker 1: like coherent anti Semitic steps like a normal Nazi can.

821
00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:27,040
Speaker 1: He's just saying this stuff. Um. He also pulls like

822
00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:29,320
Speaker 1: another classic of the anti Semite genre and does the

823
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:31,600
Speaker 1: like I'm not an anti Semite because Jews are Semites,

824
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:33,440
Speaker 1: and I'm sorry because Arabs are Semites and I'm not

825
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:36,640
Speaker 1: anti Arab, which is like, you know, he he's really

826
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:39,880
Speaker 1: so he's developing the repertoire of what will become like

827
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:43,279
Speaker 1: the modern anti Semitic stuff. Um, he has another lion bree.

828
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:45,320
Speaker 1: He says. Someone asked him how he's doing in chess,

829
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:47,800
Speaker 1: and he says, I think I'm doing quite well considering

830
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:51,400
Speaker 1: I've been blacklisted for the last twenty years by World Jewelry,

831
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:54,680
Speaker 1: which is just like, you know, he's just saying this

832
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:56,520
Speaker 1: to like a bunch of reporters, and then they all

833
00:44:56,560 --> 00:44:59,239
Speaker 1: immediately forget about this, and you know, the genocide that

834
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:01,279
Speaker 1: is going on two hour is away, and you know,

835
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:04,360
Speaker 1: everyone's back to just comparing him to Picasso and Mozart

836
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:06,000
Speaker 1: and being like, oh my god, I can't believe I

837
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:10,800
Speaker 1: got a witness like Bobby Fisher playing again. And you know, okay,

838
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:12,480
Speaker 1: So I think there's two things going on here. One

839
00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:14,600
Speaker 1: is that like a huge just like this is true

840
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:17,440
Speaker 1: of the press basically forever, is that a huge portion

841
00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:19,440
Speaker 1: of the press corps are made up of just like

842
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:24,200
Speaker 1: absolute hacks who just don't give a ship and in

843
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:26,840
Speaker 1: this case also just like perfect islamophobes, so they just

844
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:29,640
Speaker 1: you know, don't care about the genocide happening outside the window.

845
00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:32,480
Speaker 1: And the second part about it is that they're sort

846
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:34,399
Speaker 1: of like bewitched by this chess, right, and I think,

847
00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:37,359
Speaker 1: like we we have a better perspective on this than

848
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:40,840
Speaker 1: they do, because you know, this is the year I

849
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:44,160
Speaker 1: have seen god played chess. I have watched ALFA zero

850
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:48,160
Speaker 1: and AI program like tear a thirty six hundred rated

851
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:50,480
Speaker 1: bought apart like tissue paper in a game that like

852
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:53,919
Speaker 1: only bears like a tenuous resemblance to anything you would

853
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:57,319
Speaker 1: called chess. Right, Like, I can log into YouTube right

854
00:45:57,360 --> 00:46:00,640
Speaker 1: now and watch like Magnus carlsoner like dingly it rand

855
00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:03,680
Speaker 1: on cork like the six shif anyone's ever seen, and

856
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:05,320
Speaker 1: you know, and like and part of all these countries,

857
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:06,920
Speaker 1: like people just better at chess now than they used

858
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:09,440
Speaker 1: to be, right, all these people who are like causing,

859
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:12,439
Speaker 1: who are just like calling belly Fisher Pacassa. It's like, yeah, okay,

860
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:14,640
Speaker 1: like we we we have games of chess, so you

861
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:16,080
Speaker 1: can look at right now that would have made every

862
00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:18,920
Speaker 1: single one of these people's brains explode. Like no nobody

863
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:21,319
Speaker 1: nobody writes about Magnus Carlson like he's Picasso, even though

864
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:24,239
Speaker 1: again Carlson is is better than Fisher is like it's

865
00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:26,680
Speaker 1: it's basically like indisputedly is better than Fisher is, and

866
00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:30,600
Speaker 1: nobody calls him this like we we we no longer

867
00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:33,759
Speaker 1: have to respect Bubby Fisher's chest. It is the year three.

868
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:36,959
Speaker 1: My dishwasher can beat him, not a joke, Actually could

869
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:39,400
Speaker 1: My My dishwasher has enough computing power. And it's a

870
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:41,000
Speaker 1: piece of ship, but it has enough computing power to

871
00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:43,600
Speaker 1: run a program powerful love to beat Bobby Fisher. And

872
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:47,759
Speaker 1: I'm sick and tired of pretending that, like that's not

873
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:49,800
Speaker 1: true anymore. And you know, you know, you know what

874
00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:55,600
Speaker 1: your dishwasher couldn't do. It's fucking take me on at

875
00:46:55,640 --> 00:47:00,800
Speaker 1: at warhammer. That's true. It actually probably points of orcs

876
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:03,760
Speaker 1: versus two thousand points of whatever you want to pick.

877
00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:07,239
Speaker 1: I'll throw your ass down. Come on, dishwasher, you can't

878
00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:09,479
Speaker 1: even paint. You're not gonna be able to get three

879
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:11,719
Speaker 1: colors in a base on those models. So I win

880
00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:16,000
Speaker 1: by default. Dishwasher, you can because because you you just

881
00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:21,480
Speaker 1: you might be able to make that work. Yeah, but

882
00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:24,080
Speaker 1: you know, okay, like back to what's happening here, right,

883
00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:26,360
Speaker 1: is even even in the nineties, right, it's been twenty

884
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:28,680
Speaker 1: years as he did this. The Cold War is basically over,

885
00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:32,120
Speaker 1: but the sort of mythos of Fisher is like still

886
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:36,319
Speaker 1: powerful enough that like all of these people are are

887
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:39,240
Speaker 1: just sitting there while the genocide is happening two hours

888
00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:41,200
Speaker 1: away and are being like, oh hey, look it's Bobby Fisher.

889
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:44,920
Speaker 1: He's playing all the chess again. And you know this, this,

890
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:48,400
Speaker 1: this all is an enormous like pr success for militia

891
00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:50,759
Speaker 1: Vick is almost pr success for everyone involved in this

892
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:54,160
Speaker 1: or genocide, and Bobby Fishers like, okay, I can I

893
00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:57,520
Speaker 1: can parlay this into getting a chess car beer back. Um.

894
00:47:57,560 --> 00:48:01,759
Speaker 1: The problem is that in December of two he gets

895
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:04,560
Speaker 1: an indictment from a grand jury for violating the sanctions

896
00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:07,400
Speaker 1: in the US. So instead of trying to rechart a

897
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:11,040
Speaker 1: chef's career, he's like desperately scrambling across Europe with like

898
00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:13,560
Speaker 1: some members of people who I think are like part

899
00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:15,880
Speaker 1: of like the Hungarian royal family or something, trying to

900
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:19,960
Speaker 1: like desperately not get like arrested for being a wanted

901
00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:23,239
Speaker 1: criminal for breaking these sanctions. But you know who's not

902
00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:28,080
Speaker 1: a wanted criminal for breaking sanctions. I don't know if

903
00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:35,120
Speaker 1: we can promise that it's roughly fifty percent of our sponsors.

904
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:38,879
Speaker 1: I feel confident that it's somewhere around half of them

905
00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:43,520
Speaker 1: we can prove have never been forced. Okay, you know, um,

906
00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:52,520
Speaker 1: just just roll the ads. We're back. Uh and wow,

907
00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:58,320
Speaker 1: I really enjoyed those ads for the Hungarian royal family. Uh. Hey, look,

908
00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:03,600
Speaker 1: the current president of Hungary not great. Why not have

909
00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:06,880
Speaker 1: a king again? It went great the last time Austro

910
00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:11,080
Speaker 1: Hungary had a king, everything went swimmingly. He made good

911
00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:15,360
Speaker 1: decisions and that's why everyone was. They were so happy

912
00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:17,840
Speaker 1: with their king that they were like, let's try a

913
00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:22,200
Speaker 1: completely different series of forms of government. Yeah, it was great. Look, look,

914
00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:27,480
Speaker 1: the First World War, as we all know, started, there

915
00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:30,479
Speaker 1: was no war before that. Every every because because Austro

916
00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:32,759
Speaker 1: Hungary was it was it was Yeah, it's because their

917
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:36,480
Speaker 1: king went on vacation. He just wasn't watching. Yeah. So

918
00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:38,879
Speaker 1: all right. Well one of the one of the things

919
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:44,200
Speaker 1: that so okay at this point, like the press, the

920
00:49:44,200 --> 00:49:46,400
Speaker 1: press is finally started to notice that bebby Fishers and

921
00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:49,560
Speaker 1: anti semit and their immediate thing is like, oh, it's

922
00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:54,960
Speaker 1: because he's mentally ill. Yeah, like people like that. They

923
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:57,359
Speaker 1: were they were like chess psychologists brought in too, like

924
00:49:57,440 --> 00:50:00,560
Speaker 1: diagnose him? What is the chess psychology? Just how do

925
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:03,560
Speaker 1: you are they are they diagnosing him based on how

926
00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:08,160
Speaker 1: he chesses did that? Because that seems like a shift,

927
00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:11,480
Speaker 1: that seems like there were so many chess psychologists in

928
00:50:11,560 --> 00:50:13,200
Speaker 1: this story. It is I didn't I didn't know this

929
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:16,680
Speaker 1: existed until, like I, I read a lot of chess books.

930
00:50:16,719 --> 00:50:18,440
Speaker 1: Like I, I played chess for years. I didn't know

931
00:50:18,520 --> 00:50:21,160
Speaker 1: chess psychology existed until I opened these books, and suddenly

932
00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:23,960
Speaker 1: there was like seventeen chess psychologists trying to figure out

933
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:26,680
Speaker 1: I probably Fisher is okay, no, no, it's I. I

934
00:50:26,719 --> 00:50:29,600
Speaker 1: get parts of this because, like I think a psychologist

935
00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:31,719
Speaker 1: could tell a lot of people about how they play Warhammer.

936
00:50:31,719 --> 00:50:35,319
Speaker 1: For example, Dark Elder player probably shouldn't be allowed to

937
00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:41,120
Speaker 1: own guns. Reasonable, but you know, okay, like all these

938
00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:43,799
Speaker 1: people are like making a lot of Warhammer jokes for

939
00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:48,640
Speaker 1: about about six percent of the audience. You know, it's

940
00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:50,799
Speaker 1: probably higher for that, it's probably like eight percent at

941
00:50:50,840 --> 00:50:56,239
Speaker 1: least maybe nine that that seems good, you know, And

942
00:50:56,320 --> 00:50:58,839
Speaker 1: like I I think what's happening with this whole short

943
00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:01,640
Speaker 1: brobably Fisher like mentally ill thing is just that like, well,

944
00:51:01,640 --> 00:51:03,799
Speaker 1: these two things. One is that they're they're they're treating

945
00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:05,840
Speaker 1: him in the template of like, oh, there's like the

946
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:09,080
Speaker 1: like the mad genius who's like so smart that he

947
00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:11,759
Speaker 1: like like goes insane in the end. It's like no,

948
00:51:12,120 --> 00:51:15,560
Speaker 1: like he's not actually that smart. A and B Like

949
00:51:15,680 --> 00:51:17,520
Speaker 1: he he's like it's not that he's man deal, he's

950
00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:21,239
Speaker 1: just a Nazi. And people just like cannot get over

951
00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:23,359
Speaker 1: that this person who had been the like personal hero

952
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:25,480
Speaker 1: against the Soviets is like, you know, if you could

953
00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:27,520
Speaker 1: just be like a completely run of the mill Nazi,

954
00:51:27,560 --> 00:51:29,880
Speaker 1: not even like a particularly good Nazi propagandist, just like

955
00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:32,760
Speaker 1: a completely run of the mill Nazi yelling about people

956
00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:38,080
Speaker 1: on the street. Now, okay, there are a couple of

957
00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:41,359
Speaker 1: things that Bobby Fisher does later in life that are

958
00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:45,359
Speaker 1: like relatively famous. One of his biggest claims of fames

959
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:48,479
Speaker 1: is he invents this game called Fisher Random Chess, which

960
00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:52,120
Speaker 1: is his chest variant were like the Fish. Fisher has

961
00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:54,799
Speaker 1: this theory that like, like the recent Chess sucks, everyone

962
00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:56,520
Speaker 1: has to learn openings, which is true, you have to

963
00:51:56,560 --> 00:51:58,440
Speaker 1: learn like a million moons of opening And there's all

964
00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:01,799
Speaker 1: this theory and it's very annoying because people someone will

965
00:52:01,840 --> 00:52:05,239
Speaker 1: just come in like having spent the last like seventeen

966
00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:08,960
Speaker 1: years studying exactly one move order. And so he's like, okay,

967
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:10,840
Speaker 1: well what what what if he randomized the pieces on

968
00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:12,160
Speaker 1: the back of the like on the back of the

969
00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:14,920
Speaker 1: board's location, so that you can't like plan what you're

970
00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:18,960
Speaker 1: gonna do. Um, And this is a very this is supposedly,

971
00:52:19,040 --> 00:52:21,879
Speaker 1: very famously a thing that Value Fisher invented. I'm gonna

972
00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:25,960
Speaker 1: read this passage from Endgame. Eventually Bobby shifted his monologues

973
00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:29,200
Speaker 1: from hatred of Jews to chess. He became angry, however,

974
00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:31,719
Speaker 1: when Laslow showed him a book published in nineteen ten

975
00:52:32,160 --> 00:52:35,760
Speaker 1: by the Croatian writer ezeld Or Gross. This book described

976
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:38,000
Speaker 1: a variat of chess that seemed to be the forerunner

977
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:41,640
Speaker 1: of Fisher random with the exact same rules. Muttering something

978
00:52:41,640 --> 00:52:44,440
Speaker 1: about Gross being Jewish, Bobby went to change the rules

979
00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:50,240
Speaker 1: of his variation to make it different from Grosses. So yeah,

980
00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:52,959
Speaker 1: he also this is also the period where he starts

981
00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:55,960
Speaker 1: getting obsessed with like preserving his genius by having a

982
00:52:56,080 --> 00:52:59,360
Speaker 1: child and like preserving his gene pool. So he starts

983
00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:06,360
Speaker 1: putting out like ads in the newspaper for like a girlfriend. Um,

984
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:10,919
Speaker 1: he's there's description of its quote they must be one

985
00:53:11,120 --> 00:53:14,479
Speaker 1: blonde and blue eyed, two young, three beautiful, and four

986
00:53:14,520 --> 00:53:18,960
Speaker 1: a serious chess player. And stunningly this doesn't work for

987
00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:22,560
Speaker 1: reasons that are in fact in cape like well, we'll

988
00:53:22,560 --> 00:53:27,680
Speaker 1: never understand why this failed, etcetera, etcetera. Um, he also

989
00:53:27,840 --> 00:53:33,160
Speaker 1: starts getting like he gets progressively more into like like

990
00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:36,960
Speaker 1: he he starts reading what's his name, David L. Hogan,

991
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:40,240
Speaker 1: who's one of like the most world's mold like probably

992
00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:44,239
Speaker 1: most influential Holocaust deniers, and you know, and but by

993
00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:46,920
Speaker 1: by by the end of the nineties, he started doing

994
00:53:47,600 --> 00:53:51,960
Speaker 1: radio interviews again. But the interviews are just like him

995
00:53:52,080 --> 00:53:55,800
Speaker 1: doing anti Semitic rants. Like there's there's one where he

996
00:53:55,960 --> 00:53:58,360
Speaker 1: just like he he gets on this interview and it

997
00:53:58,440 --> 00:54:01,680
Speaker 1: starts and then copletely out of nowhere, she just he's like,

998
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:03,320
Speaker 1: let me say a few words about the Jews, and

999
00:54:03,320 --> 00:54:07,239
Speaker 1: it starts ranking about the Holocaust, and you know, and

1000
00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:11,200
Speaker 1: she also does the like yeah, and the host is like, wait,

1001
00:54:11,239 --> 00:54:14,080
Speaker 1: aren't you Jewish? And Bobby does does the thing again

1002
00:54:14,200 --> 00:54:15,960
Speaker 1: where he was like, I will I will go to

1003
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:17,879
Speaker 1: the little boy's room and like with my dick out

1004
00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:21,879
Speaker 1: and it was just like Bobby Man, like I mean

1005
00:54:22,120 --> 00:54:24,839
Speaker 1: is the title of his episode. At least he's consistent.

1006
00:54:25,040 --> 00:54:28,239
Speaker 1: At least he's consistent. You know, you got to respect

1007
00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:33,799
Speaker 1: that respect is the wrong word. Yeah. Yeah, And this

1008
00:54:33,880 --> 00:54:35,879
Speaker 1: is not even like the most semitic anti Semitic thing

1009
00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:37,600
Speaker 1: he says in Radio Interess. In his proo, he also

1010
00:54:37,719 --> 00:54:41,400
Speaker 1: is getting like very very hardcore anti American, but like

1011
00:54:41,480 --> 00:54:44,600
Speaker 1: from the from the anti Semiti direction. And there's a

1012
00:54:44,600 --> 00:54:46,800
Speaker 1: story about so he's in Japan. He lives in Japan

1013
00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:49,600
Speaker 1: for a little bit, and he has a story where

1014
00:54:50,120 --> 00:54:52,200
Speaker 1: he goes to like he goes to a movie theater

1015
00:54:52,840 --> 00:54:54,440
Speaker 1: to like walk. I forget what the name of the

1016
00:54:54,480 --> 00:54:56,759
Speaker 1: movie is, but it's it's it's some movie about Pearl

1017
00:54:56,800 --> 00:54:59,719
Speaker 1: Harbor and when when when when like Pearl Harbor starts

1018
00:54:59,719 --> 00:55:04,440
Speaker 1: like maybe I don't remember, I don't know if it

1019
00:55:04,520 --> 00:55:06,279
Speaker 1: ever said what it was, but he like like so

1020
00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:09,400
Speaker 1: that which is also, by the way, the best Pearl

1021
00:55:09,440 --> 00:55:12,960
Speaker 1: Harbor movie. No, seriously, it was amazing. It was made

1022
00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:17,640
Speaker 1: with both like Japanese and American film cruise. It's a

1023
00:55:18,120 --> 00:55:21,520
Speaker 1: incredible movie. Yeah, yeah, check it out. Yeah, it came

1024
00:55:21,520 --> 00:55:25,000
Speaker 1: out in yeah, so you might. But he's like, so

1025
00:55:25,040 --> 00:55:26,719
Speaker 1: you guess the part where like they're they're doing the

1026
00:55:26,719 --> 00:55:29,920
Speaker 1: comic they're doing like the raids on Battleship Row, and

1027
00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:33,520
Speaker 1: like he he like jumps up and starts clapping, and

1028
00:55:33,600 --> 00:55:35,759
Speaker 1: he's like every everyone else in the theater is like

1029
00:55:35,760 --> 00:55:37,920
Speaker 1: a ram Japanese pirs, like why is this dude clapping

1030
00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:42,000
Speaker 1: at Pearl Harbor And he's just like incredibly confused. Why

1031
00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:49,359
Speaker 1: no one else it's like sitting there clapping. It's it's

1032
00:55:49,440 --> 00:55:53,160
Speaker 1: it's it's the whole thing. She also there's another thing,

1033
00:55:53,200 --> 00:55:54,360
Speaker 1: what do you every thing. He's obsessed with the end

1034
00:55:54,360 --> 00:55:56,720
Speaker 1: of his life. So he has this like storage locker

1035
00:55:57,880 --> 00:56:01,279
Speaker 1: that he put like some it was annotated chess games in,

1036
00:56:01,560 --> 00:56:04,360
Speaker 1: but he doesn't He never pays the deposits, and so

1037
00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:07,160
Speaker 1: eventually they like still hold his stuff even until they

1038
00:56:07,239 --> 00:56:09,400
Speaker 1: changes the deposits. But then the company gets brought by

1039
00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:11,239
Speaker 1: another company. They're like looking through their books, You're like, Okay,

1040
00:56:11,239 --> 00:56:13,000
Speaker 1: we have the storage locker full of crap that's not

1041
00:56:13,040 --> 00:56:15,879
Speaker 1: being paid for, so we're gonna auction it off. And

1042
00:56:16,920 --> 00:56:20,320
Speaker 1: Bobby Fisher like someone someone buys all of the stuff

1043
00:56:20,320 --> 00:56:22,440
Speaker 1: in the box and gives it to him. But for

1044
00:56:22,440 --> 00:56:24,440
Speaker 1: the rest of his life he he has this giant

1045
00:56:24,520 --> 00:56:26,560
Speaker 1: rant he goes on anytime someone interviews him about how

1046
00:56:26,560 --> 00:56:28,400
Speaker 1: he got robbed and how the rebellions of dollars and

1047
00:56:28,440 --> 00:56:30,759
Speaker 1: merchandise in it, and how there was like a giant

1048
00:56:30,840 --> 00:56:33,960
Speaker 1: Jewish conspiracy, and about how like Bill Clinton was secretly

1049
00:56:34,040 --> 00:56:37,200
Speaker 1: Jewish and like was conspiring to take the ship that's

1050
00:56:37,200 --> 00:56:43,120
Speaker 1: like like holding container from him. It's I don't know,

1051
00:56:43,520 --> 00:56:48,560
Speaker 1: it's it's incredibly strange and and all of this culminates

1052
00:56:48,800 --> 00:56:52,799
Speaker 1: in this radio interview that he gives in the Philippines

1053
00:56:52,800 --> 00:56:55,880
Speaker 1: on nine eleven. Like literally this is like like like

1054
00:56:56,040 --> 00:56:59,040
Speaker 1: several hours after the towers have gone down. So I

1055
00:56:59,080 --> 00:57:00,840
Speaker 1: just want to play a little bit of like you

1056
00:57:00,840 --> 00:57:02,760
Speaker 1: can get a sense of like what Bobby Fisher sounds

1057
00:57:02,840 --> 00:57:05,560
Speaker 1: like when on this this thing that his interview is

1058
00:57:05,600 --> 00:57:08,879
Speaker 1: giving a nine eleven to a Filipino radio stations are

1059
00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:11,960
Speaker 1: wonderful time for them in the US to get that

1060
00:57:12,360 --> 00:57:23,920
Speaker 1: kick in say the Jews, the Jews are a criminal people. Thing.

1061
00:57:23,960 --> 00:57:29,560
Speaker 1: You don't get children, criminal ying factors they made up.

1062
00:57:31,880 --> 00:57:36,880
Speaker 1: He was increasingly yeah that oh oh boy, yeah, okay,

1063
00:57:36,880 --> 00:57:42,800
Speaker 1: So like it's a trip. There's like you there's interesting

1064
00:57:42,840 --> 00:57:44,520
Speaker 1: parts of it which like you can see where sort

1065
00:57:44,560 --> 00:57:46,680
Speaker 1: of like a like a lot of modern American political

1066
00:57:46,680 --> 00:57:48,280
Speaker 1: culture is going like that. You will hear a lot

1067
00:57:48,280 --> 00:57:50,440
Speaker 1: of people say ship that sounds like that, right, Like

1068
00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:55,160
Speaker 1: he's just combining it in a kind of weird way. Um,

1069
00:57:55,200 --> 00:57:57,560
Speaker 1: there's other things I saw I played like a there's

1070
00:57:57,600 --> 00:58:00,200
Speaker 1: like this interview is like pretty long. He there's just

1071
00:58:00,240 --> 00:58:02,360
Speaker 1: something like there's kind of this like Trumpian stuff in

1072
00:58:02,400 --> 00:58:05,160
Speaker 1: it too. He has this whole rants about like nobody

1073
00:58:05,200 --> 00:58:07,520
Speaker 1: has single handedly done more for the U S than me.

1074
00:58:07,600 --> 00:58:12,880
Speaker 1: I really believe this. I mean, man, you yeah, like

1075
00:58:12,920 --> 00:58:16,080
Speaker 1: you played it. You played a game. You played a

1076
00:58:16,160 --> 00:58:20,320
Speaker 1: move plastic pieces around the board like like like senior

1077
00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:23,600
Speaker 1: like the like like two of the most powerful American

1078
00:58:23,640 --> 00:58:27,000
Speaker 1: politicians who have ever lived had to like call you

1079
00:58:27,200 --> 00:58:30,800
Speaker 1: in order to get you to play the game. And

1080
00:58:31,000 --> 00:58:34,120
Speaker 1: you know, so the most famous part of and somehow

1081
00:58:34,120 --> 00:58:37,920
Speaker 1: we like Okay. So as this interview goes on, it

1082
00:58:37,960 --> 00:58:41,520
Speaker 1: gets progressively more anti semitic, and he goes on this

1083
00:58:41,720 --> 00:58:43,919
Speaker 1: rant about how he's hoping that like the country will

1084
00:58:43,920 --> 00:58:46,840
Speaker 1: be taken over by the army and they're like the

1085
00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:49,200
Speaker 1: they'll like close all the synagogues down and then like

1086
00:58:49,240 --> 00:58:54,200
Speaker 1: start arresting everyone is Jewish and like executing them. Yeah yeah,

1087
00:58:54,520 --> 00:58:58,480
Speaker 1: and and you know this, this finally does not go

1088
00:58:58,600 --> 00:59:04,200
Speaker 1: well for Bobby Fisher. And I think, like you know Fisher,

1089
00:59:04,280 --> 00:59:07,920
Speaker 1: Fisher's kind of Nazism, I think is it's something that

1090
00:59:08,120 --> 00:59:10,240
Speaker 1: kind of could have worked in the modern US. But

1091
00:59:10,280 --> 00:59:12,280
Speaker 1: the problem is, like he hasn't. He's gotten to a

1092
00:59:12,320 --> 00:59:14,280
Speaker 1: point where she just has no ability to sort of

1093
00:59:14,320 --> 00:59:17,000
Speaker 1: like like quote unquote hide his power over like all

1094
00:59:17,080 --> 00:59:19,280
Speaker 1: the modern American Nazis believe this ship. It's just that

1095
00:59:19,360 --> 00:59:22,439
Speaker 1: like they're they're slightly smarter than he Isn't don't say

1096
00:59:22,440 --> 00:59:25,680
Speaker 1: it out loud, but you know, he's a couple of

1097
00:59:25,720 --> 00:59:28,400
Speaker 1: moves behind. You might say, yeah, yeah, and like but

1098
00:59:28,480 --> 00:59:31,320
Speaker 1: like but you know, he's also he's also simultaneously like

1099
00:59:31,360 --> 00:59:33,040
Speaker 1: a bunch of moves ahead, right, because if you look

1100
00:59:33,040 --> 00:59:35,240
Speaker 1: at the lines that he's taking, right, it's like pro

1101
00:59:35,360 --> 00:59:37,960
Speaker 1: Serbia and the Bosnian genocide, like being against the Iraq

1102
00:59:38,120 --> 00:59:41,000
Speaker 1: war but also being anti Semitic, Like these are all

1103
00:59:41,240 --> 00:59:45,080
Speaker 1: coherent political positions in the US. After he dies, it's

1104
00:59:45,120 --> 00:59:47,240
Speaker 1: just that, like he even has a rant about how

1105
00:59:47,320 --> 00:59:50,360
Speaker 1: he like like appreciates the cultural purity of Islam because

1106
00:59:50,360 --> 00:59:52,840
Speaker 1: they're not like degenerating ship, which like could have been

1107
00:59:52,920 --> 00:59:57,960
Speaker 1: a ye, yet another similarity between Yeah, it's just that

1108
00:59:58,040 --> 01:00:02,600
Speaker 1: like he he just wasn't like good at doing the

1109
01:00:02,640 --> 01:00:08,720
Speaker 1: press and this finally Bobby Fisher, like finally after literally

1110
01:00:08,800 --> 01:00:10,920
Speaker 1: decades of him saying ship like this. And there's a

1111
01:00:10,920 --> 01:00:12,880
Speaker 1: bunch of other interviews before this that he's given where

1112
01:00:12,880 --> 01:00:16,479
Speaker 1: he says stuff like this, like finally, you know again

1113
01:00:16,480 --> 01:00:18,280
Speaker 1: and he said he's saying ship like this, like in

1114
01:00:18,320 --> 01:00:20,920
Speaker 1: a press conference in Belgrade. Well, the genocide is going

1115
01:00:20,960 --> 01:00:24,560
Speaker 1: on and nobody cared. But he made a mistake, which

1116
01:00:24,560 --> 01:00:27,720
Speaker 1: is that he said it on nine eleven and yeah,

1117
01:00:27,800 --> 01:00:30,120
Speaker 1: that's not going to go well. And he he is

1118
01:00:30,160 --> 01:00:32,640
Speaker 1: the first person on earth to learn that the line

1119
01:00:32,680 --> 01:00:37,560
Speaker 1: is nine eleven, right right before, right before Gilbert Godfried. Yeah,

1120
01:00:37,720 --> 01:00:44,680
Speaker 1: he even gave that's what Robert's favorite thinks. I I

1121
01:00:44,760 --> 01:00:51,400
Speaker 1: love Gilbert Godfried's nine eleven jokes. It's yeah, but like

1122
01:00:51,480 --> 01:00:53,760
Speaker 1: Fisher like, Okay, well, what are the what are the

1123
01:00:53,840 --> 01:00:56,400
Speaker 1: enduring legacies of this story? When people write about this, right,

1124
01:00:56,440 --> 01:00:59,840
Speaker 1: like the part they're the most horrified about tends to

1125
01:01:00,040 --> 01:01:02,360
Speaker 1: be the celebrating nine eleven, and they tend to downplay

1126
01:01:02,400 --> 01:01:03,960
Speaker 1: the part where he says he wants every jew in

1127
01:01:03,960 --> 01:01:07,000
Speaker 1: the US round it up and killed, like you know,

1128
01:01:07,040 --> 01:01:09,480
Speaker 1: because like again it's like the thing that he violated

1129
01:01:09,520 --> 01:01:10,920
Speaker 1: was like what's going to become the sort of sacred

1130
01:01:10,920 --> 01:01:16,600
Speaker 1: tableau of like nine eleven. But you know, and this

1131
01:01:16,640 --> 01:01:18,760
Speaker 1: is this is finally the moment where like the chess

1132
01:01:18,760 --> 01:01:20,880
Speaker 1: community turns on him. He gets kicked out of Fidel,

1133
01:01:20,920 --> 01:01:24,920
Speaker 1: so they let him back in later on, which is okay,

1134
01:01:24,960 --> 01:01:28,920
Speaker 1: feed a like sure choice, yeah, but like you know,

1135
01:01:29,320 --> 01:01:32,120
Speaker 1: like yeah, this is this is where we get to

1136
01:01:32,280 --> 01:01:34,680
Speaker 1: one of the things that I'm I'm optimistic about the

1137
01:01:34,720 --> 01:01:38,160
Speaker 1: Zoomers for because you really can't exaggerate the degree to

1138
01:01:38,200 --> 01:01:42,000
Speaker 1: which nine eleven was a religion for Americans for a

1139
01:01:42,240 --> 01:01:45,760
Speaker 1: very like most of the time that I was like,

1140
01:01:46,000 --> 01:01:51,600
Speaker 1: uh an adolescent um to young adult, and now Zoomer

1141
01:01:51,680 --> 01:01:55,640
Speaker 1: kids will like, I don't know, photoshop in fucking Burton

1142
01:01:55,800 --> 01:01:58,360
Speaker 1: Ernie as the tip twin Towers and like think nothing

1143
01:01:58,400 --> 01:02:01,640
Speaker 1: of it, Like there is it is has been desacralized

1144
01:02:01,840 --> 01:02:04,880
Speaker 1: to such an extent because of how fucking far we

1145
01:02:04,920 --> 01:02:08,200
Speaker 1: went in the other direction, and that's probably an accessary.

1146
01:02:08,640 --> 01:02:10,560
Speaker 1: I will say this, I like Fisher, I think is

1147
01:02:10,560 --> 01:02:12,280
Speaker 1: the is one of the few people who's ever done

1148
01:02:12,320 --> 01:02:14,800
Speaker 1: and I leventhing who genuinely deserves to be canceled for it,

1149
01:02:14,880 --> 01:02:18,560
Speaker 1: like it actually deserved to be canceled a long time

1150
01:02:18,600 --> 01:02:22,040
Speaker 1: before this. This is what she has been saying all

1151
01:02:22,080 --> 01:02:25,400
Speaker 1: of this ship basically for thirty years, right, I mean

1152
01:02:25,400 --> 01:02:27,560
Speaker 1: actually forty years because he gave his first interview. Were

1153
01:02:27,600 --> 01:02:30,080
Speaker 1: you talking about like hitting the Jews and like fucking

1154
01:02:30,240 --> 01:02:35,840
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty six? Look, I think I think on behalf

1155
01:02:35,840 --> 01:02:38,840
Speaker 1: of cool zone media, in behalf of the United States,

1156
01:02:39,000 --> 01:02:42,240
Speaker 1: I'd like to say, thank you Osama bin Laden for

1157
01:02:42,400 --> 01:02:45,920
Speaker 1: canceling getting Bobby Fisher canceled for all of us. Thank you,

1158
01:02:47,880 --> 01:02:52,120
Speaker 1: Yet yet another dub. What what I really like having

1159
01:02:52,200 --> 01:02:57,480
Speaker 1: health insurance? So shut up. Yeah, you can't get canceled

1160
01:02:57,480 --> 01:03:01,160
Speaker 1: for that kind of thing anymore, Sophie, you can't, Okay,

1161
01:03:01,160 --> 01:03:05,360
Speaker 1: So you know it's like you know, I I think

1162
01:03:05,400 --> 01:03:08,120
Speaker 1: I think a big part about this also was like

1163
01:03:08,320 --> 01:03:10,320
Speaker 1: the fact that everyone put up with this for so long,

1164
01:03:10,400 --> 01:03:13,120
Speaker 1: was this was a side I think sort of incredible

1165
01:03:13,200 --> 01:03:17,520
Speaker 1: amount of times. Yeah, people were like this is a

1166
01:03:17,560 --> 01:03:21,320
Speaker 1: period where it's a man from Saudi Arabia stepped up

1167
01:03:21,360 --> 01:03:26,080
Speaker 1: to this is this isn't I wonder who would win

1168
01:03:26,200 --> 01:03:29,800
Speaker 1: in a bin Laden Bobby Fisher anti Semitism off. That

1169
01:03:29,800 --> 01:03:34,280
Speaker 1: would have been a I don't know, pretty pretty pretty

1170
01:03:34,280 --> 01:03:37,800
Speaker 1: pretty pretty clear that that's an aliens versus predator situation

1171
01:03:37,800 --> 01:03:40,120
Speaker 1: I've ever heard one, But like, you know, okay, like

1172
01:03:40,120 --> 01:03:42,640
Speaker 1: like this is like like I guess I might say

1173
01:03:43,160 --> 01:03:47,160
Speaker 1: Laden did win, so that's true. Yeah, he he lived

1174
01:03:47,160 --> 01:03:50,760
Speaker 1: longer than Fisher did, so yeah, I'd be like, you know, okay,

1175
01:03:50,840 --> 01:03:54,280
Speaker 1: like like Bobbie Fisher like this was the US is

1176
01:03:54,360 --> 01:03:56,160
Speaker 1: guy in the could room, where like he he was

1177
01:03:56,200 --> 01:03:57,880
Speaker 1: America's hero, and like this is this is this is

1178
01:03:57,920 --> 01:04:00,600
Speaker 1: the guy that he is. But it's interesting Fisher is

1179
01:04:00,640 --> 01:04:03,560
Speaker 1: smart enough to recognize that he was just like nobody

1180
01:04:03,600 --> 01:04:06,000
Speaker 1: actually cared about him, right, he was just a sort

1181
01:04:06,000 --> 01:04:09,560
Speaker 1: of like a tool of like like the American Cold

1182
01:04:09,600 --> 01:04:12,360
Speaker 1: War machine. But he's a neo Nazi. So the conclusion

1183
01:04:12,360 --> 01:04:15,200
Speaker 1: he draws from this is just like more neo Nazium

1184
01:04:15,520 --> 01:04:20,000
Speaker 1: the Nazism. But on the other hands, after nine eleven,

1185
01:04:20,160 --> 01:04:24,040
Speaker 1: the US actually like starts playing to go after him

1186
01:04:24,120 --> 01:04:26,320
Speaker 1: and in two thousand three of the Justice Department, in

1187
01:04:26,360 --> 01:04:29,640
Speaker 1: a move that is defined by the Bush administrations and

1188
01:04:30,080 --> 01:04:35,680
Speaker 1: incredibly questionable grasp on legality, like revokes Fisher's passport without

1189
01:04:35,680 --> 01:04:40,520
Speaker 1: telling him. Now, they can't actually do this. It's funny,

1190
01:04:40,680 --> 01:04:45,640
Speaker 1: but yeah, like you know, the Bush administration versus Bobby

1191
01:04:45,680 --> 01:04:49,320
Speaker 1: Fisher is another one of those sort of alien predator things,

1192
01:04:49,400 --> 01:04:54,880
Speaker 1: like it's not good. Um. In two tho four, Bobby

1193
01:04:54,920 --> 01:04:58,160
Speaker 1: Fisher is in he's in Japan. He's trying to like

1194
01:04:58,600 --> 01:05:02,560
Speaker 1: fly home to the Philippe and he gets arrested. Now,

1195
01:05:03,360 --> 01:05:05,600
Speaker 1: this is kind of funny in that like Bobby Fisher

1196
01:05:05,640 --> 01:05:08,160
Speaker 1: getting rested in Japan is like he he like he

1197
01:05:08,240 --> 01:05:10,880
Speaker 1: really went to Japan thinking these guys were like his boys.

1198
01:05:11,440 --> 01:05:14,800
Speaker 1: And then they hold him an airport jail, which is

1199
01:05:14,800 --> 01:05:17,760
Speaker 1: apparently a thing that exists, and then move him to

1200
01:05:17,880 --> 01:05:21,800
Speaker 1: a maximum security like immigrant attention facility because he just

1201
01:05:21,880 --> 01:05:24,200
Speaker 1: keeps on like complaining and getting in fights with the

1202
01:05:24,240 --> 01:05:29,120
Speaker 1: guards and okay, so like yeah, like it's it's like

1203
01:05:29,800 --> 01:05:32,040
Speaker 1: at one point he starts complaining that his soft boiled

1204
01:05:32,040 --> 01:05:34,959
Speaker 1: a's were actually hard boiled and this this this leads

1205
01:05:34,960 --> 01:05:38,520
Speaker 1: to him getting into a fight with his prison guards. Um, Like,

1206
01:05:39,200 --> 01:05:42,120
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean there's a really big difference there,

1207
01:05:43,680 --> 01:05:47,720
Speaker 1: that's true. I'm like, and then this is like, you know,

1208
01:05:48,000 --> 01:05:51,600
Speaker 1: solidarity on the egg issue. Yeah, I mean it also

1209
01:05:51,720 --> 01:05:53,600
Speaker 1: like Bobbie Fisher is not a good guy, right, But

1210
01:05:53,680 --> 01:05:56,200
Speaker 1: it's also worth noting that like every single Japanese police

1211
01:05:56,240 --> 01:05:59,080
Speaker 1: officer is at all times two bad days away from

1212
01:05:59,160 --> 01:06:01,480
Speaker 1: like horse in the Rising Sun flag and hunting down

1213
01:06:01,520 --> 01:06:04,000
Speaker 1: every Korean in a three mile radius. So this this

1214
01:06:04,040 --> 01:06:08,400
Speaker 1: is another they both suck situation. Yeah, like you said,

1215
01:06:08,440 --> 01:06:13,720
Speaker 1: alien predator versus predator. And at this point, so Bobby

1216
01:06:13,880 --> 01:06:17,400
Speaker 1: like is really trying to fight getting extradited into the

1217
01:06:17,440 --> 01:06:19,200
Speaker 1: US because if they send it back to the US,

1218
01:06:19,440 --> 01:06:21,800
Speaker 1: the Bush administration will just put his ass in prison

1219
01:06:21,840 --> 01:06:25,080
Speaker 1: for like a decade. And so she tries to renounce

1220
01:06:25,080 --> 01:06:27,000
Speaker 1: his US citizenship so he gets to put in somewhere else.

1221
01:06:27,000 --> 01:06:30,480
Speaker 1: Except the problem is to renounce your citizenship like formally,

1222
01:06:30,760 --> 01:06:32,560
Speaker 1: someone from the embassy has to show up and see

1223
01:06:32,600 --> 01:06:34,760
Speaker 1: you do it, and the EMPISSOE refuses to send anyone.

1224
01:06:35,280 --> 01:06:41,360
Speaker 1: So just hand even and renounce your citizenship, right just

1225
01:06:41,520 --> 01:06:47,040
Speaker 1: read very tries to get asylum. Oh my god, so funny.

1226
01:06:47,160 --> 01:06:49,880
Speaker 1: So yeah, okay, so so for the rest of his life. Right.

1227
01:06:50,120 --> 01:06:52,040
Speaker 1: He claims that he's not a US citizen, and the

1228
01:06:52,080 --> 01:06:53,840
Speaker 1: U s citizen, and the US claims that he is

1229
01:06:53,880 --> 01:06:56,280
Speaker 1: still a US citizen. So she tries to get asylum

1230
01:06:56,280 --> 01:07:04,240
Speaker 1: and wait, wait for this, wait, it's I I am here. Germany, Cuba,

1231
01:07:04,360 --> 01:07:08,640
Speaker 1: North Korea, Libya, Iran, Venezuela, Switzerland, and Montenegro, all of

1232
01:07:08,680 --> 01:07:12,480
Speaker 1: whom are like, no funk off, wow, Olibya wouldn't even

1233
01:07:12,520 --> 01:07:19,320
Speaker 1: take him when Momar Kadafi won't take you, like you

1234
01:07:19,320 --> 01:07:21,920
Speaker 1: you fair to be fair to bout your fishing here.

1235
01:07:21,920 --> 01:07:23,920
Speaker 1: This is two thousand three more Margaret Daffi, who's like

1236
01:07:23,920 --> 01:07:27,160
Speaker 1: posing up to the Bush administration. So this is this

1237
01:07:27,200 --> 01:07:30,200
Speaker 1: is the worst time to business, is the worst time.

1238
01:07:30,280 --> 01:07:35,120
Speaker 1: But he is also but still it's it's North Korea.

1239
01:07:35,200 --> 01:07:37,800
Speaker 1: They love taking people and if it they'll piss off

1240
01:07:37,840 --> 01:07:40,840
Speaker 1: the United States. Yeah, and even they're like, I don't

1241
01:07:40,840 --> 01:07:44,920
Speaker 1: know about this guy, Like we don't need Korea doesn't

1242
01:07:44,960 --> 01:07:51,280
Speaker 1: need this press, you know. So all right, and well,

1243
01:07:51,400 --> 01:07:57,400
Speaker 1: while he's in like immigration prison, I don't know how

1244
01:07:57,400 --> 01:07:59,920
Speaker 1: to preface this, so I'm just gonna read it. Fisher

1245
01:08:00,000 --> 01:08:02,840
Speaker 1: then announced that he was gonna marry Mayoko what Tai,

1246
01:08:03,000 --> 01:08:06,280
Speaker 1: his longtime companion. I could be a pawn sacrifice, he

1247
01:08:06,320 --> 01:08:08,720
Speaker 1: said to the press. But in Chester is such a

1248
01:08:08,800 --> 01:08:11,400
Speaker 1: thing as pawn promotion when a pawn could become a queen.

1249
01:08:11,840 --> 01:08:14,520
Speaker 1: Bobby Son is my king, and I will become his queen.

1250
01:08:17,320 --> 01:08:22,720
Speaker 1: I got nothing. I don't know he So they get

1251
01:08:22,760 --> 01:08:25,120
Speaker 1: married and after nine months, but Bobby is able to

1252
01:08:25,160 --> 01:08:28,479
Speaker 1: assemble like an incredibly elite team of random guys from Iceland.

1253
01:08:29,120 --> 01:08:31,479
Speaker 1: And because there's only seven people in Icelands, like these

1254
01:08:31,560 --> 01:08:33,719
Speaker 1: random guys in Iceland were able to convince the Icelandic

1255
01:08:33,760 --> 01:08:36,760
Speaker 1: parliament to like give him citizenship, and so he's able

1256
01:08:36,800 --> 01:08:39,759
Speaker 1: to get like I think what he wound up getting

1257
01:08:39,760 --> 01:08:42,200
Speaker 1: a good one? How the fund did that happen? Well,

1258
01:08:42,200 --> 01:08:45,000
Speaker 1: here's the thing, though, he hates Iceland. Well, okay, I

1259
01:08:45,000 --> 01:08:49,240
Speaker 1: guess that's that'sships to true. Yeah, that's a good one.

1260
01:08:49,280 --> 01:08:52,960
Speaker 1: But I don't know. He's some help and angles. This

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Speaker 1: Icelandic politics is a joke a bit didn't look Iceland.

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Speaker 1: If you're out there, give me citizenship. You'll get all

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Speaker 1: of the benefits of having Robert Evans as a citizen.

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Speaker 1: I I assure you there's some Yeah, we will. We

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Speaker 1: will be compiling a list which will get after you

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Speaker 1: give him citizenship. Oh yeah, no, we'll have a long list.

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Speaker 1: It's gonna You're gonna everyone will be doing real well

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Speaker 1: when I'm a citizen. I'm gonna bring pride to Iceland.

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Speaker 1: So Bobby, the other hand, he hate he hates Iceland.

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Speaker 1: He spends the rest of his life just like pissing

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Speaker 1: off all of his friends. And by by the time

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Speaker 1: he dies in a hospital. Okay, so he doesn't even

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Speaker 1: want to be taken to a hospital, but he's like

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Speaker 1: so fucked up that like his like two remaining friends

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Speaker 1: are like, okay, we'll bring drops will he dies there

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Speaker 1: and by this time he has like very little left

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Speaker 1: and okay, this would be the end of the story

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Speaker 1: of Bobby Fisher, except three years after he died. Sorry

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Speaker 1: I said it fucking ought to be. Yeah, but it's not,

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Speaker 1: because he three years after he dies, they have to

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Speaker 1: dig up his body to settle a egle fight about

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Speaker 1: who would get all his money, which I think that

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Speaker 1: well because okay, so he does the whole thing where

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Speaker 1: he was like with several people and I forget which

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Speaker 1: of his like wives kind of or people he was

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Speaker 1: with like claimed that someone like their son was his son,

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Speaker 1: but it turned out that that son was actually another

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Speaker 1: person's son. So I had to do that. They had

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Speaker 1: to dig up his grave. Well, yeah, that is that

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Speaker 1: that That is the story of Bobby Fisher Chestnut least

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Speaker 1: it is. Yeah, he I don't I don't know if

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Speaker 1: getting to live out the rest of his life in

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Speaker 1: Iceland is like what he deserved. But he was miserable,

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Speaker 1: so sometimes that's all you can hope for. Yeah, he

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Speaker 1: died very sad. Well that's that's mostly what I wanted

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Speaker 1: for Bobby, was for him to die sad because don't

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Speaker 1: like him. Do you have any plug a bus for us? Mia? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I I do a podcast called take It Happen Here

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Speaker 1: And yeah I'm I'm on Twitter at a c h

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Speaker 1: R three and you can find me. They're doing stuff

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Speaker 1: cool hell Yeah, Well that's gonna do it for all

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Speaker 1: of us here at whatever. This is the podcasting emporium

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Speaker 1: of Mr magorium Um until next week. Don't Play Chess.

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