1 00:00:01,520 --> 00:00:03,720 Speaker 1: And welcome back to Hannity everybody. This is Jay Secue 2 00:00:03,720 --> 00:00:06,520 Speaker 1: along with Jordan Secular. We together run the American Center 3 00:00:06,559 --> 00:00:10,319 Speaker 1: for Law and Justice in ACLJ. We've handled a lot 4 00:00:10,360 --> 00:00:12,480 Speaker 1: of cases you know about, and we are thrilled to 5 00:00:12,520 --> 00:00:16,040 Speaker 1: be sitting in for our friend Sean Hannity. Folks, we've 6 00:00:16,040 --> 00:00:18,320 Speaker 1: been talking about the situation at the border. We've been 7 00:00:18,360 --> 00:00:21,760 Speaker 1: talking about the irs and the first hour of the broadcast. 8 00:00:21,880 --> 00:00:23,479 Speaker 1: I gotta tell you something. We're being joined right now 9 00:00:23,560 --> 00:00:25,880 Speaker 1: by a very good friend of our, Senator Bill Haggard. Jordan, 10 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:28,280 Speaker 1: somebody that we've got to know very well, worked with 11 00:00:28,640 --> 00:00:30,280 Speaker 1: Hanner Thrill that he's with us today. We do. We 12 00:00:30,320 --> 00:00:33,840 Speaker 1: work very closely with Senator Haggerty from Tennessee and his staff, 13 00:00:33,880 --> 00:00:36,680 Speaker 1: who would do an excellent job. And Senator I would 14 00:00:36,680 --> 00:00:39,159 Speaker 1: have started with this. You had legislation because part of 15 00:00:39,440 --> 00:00:43,760 Speaker 1: the border crisis is not just the individuals, the illegal immigrants, 16 00:00:44,040 --> 00:00:46,400 Speaker 1: but it's what they bring with them, what the cartels 17 00:00:46,440 --> 00:00:48,599 Speaker 1: bring with them. We saw today a fourteen year old 18 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:51,720 Speaker 1: that was picked up with two pounds of fitnel by 19 00:00:51,760 --> 00:00:54,280 Speaker 1: border patrol on them. I mean that could kill thousands 20 00:00:54,360 --> 00:00:58,040 Speaker 1: upon thousands of Americans. And you had legislation, the Stop 21 00:00:58,200 --> 00:01:03,160 Speaker 1: Fitnel Border Crossings Act, and Democrats defeated. They actually voted 22 00:01:03,240 --> 00:01:05,760 Speaker 1: against it. It's like it's hard for people to understand 23 00:01:05,760 --> 00:01:09,200 Speaker 1: when they follow this issue center agrity. How can your 24 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:13,000 Speaker 1: colleagues on the other side of the aisle vote against 25 00:01:13,120 --> 00:01:17,920 Speaker 1: legislation to stop fitnyl from flowing into our border? Well, 26 00:01:18,120 --> 00:01:20,520 Speaker 1: Georgian and Jay, it's great to be back on with you. 27 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:23,240 Speaker 1: I love what you do with a CLJ and I 28 00:01:23,319 --> 00:01:25,920 Speaker 1: really am burled that you're helping our friend Sean Hannity 29 00:01:25,959 --> 00:01:29,280 Speaker 1: today on the show. You're right. Not only did they 30 00:01:29,360 --> 00:01:31,840 Speaker 1: vote against it once, they voted against it twice. I 31 00:01:31,959 --> 00:01:34,440 Speaker 1: brought this back to the floor when I learned that 32 00:01:34,520 --> 00:01:39,520 Speaker 1: the district judge had lifted Title forty two, the pandemic 33 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:41,959 Speaker 1: being the reason and the rationale that they were using 34 00:01:41,959 --> 00:01:45,240 Speaker 1: Title forty two. It's help crisis. He lifted that said 35 00:01:45,240 --> 00:01:46,920 Speaker 1: the pandemic is over. We all know that, But I 36 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:49,960 Speaker 1: tell you, the fetnyl crisis is an oath. And we 37 00:01:50,040 --> 00:01:53,480 Speaker 1: have lost more young people between the ages of eighteen 38 00:01:53,480 --> 00:01:55,800 Speaker 1: and forty five to death by overdose here in America 39 00:01:55,800 --> 00:01:57,800 Speaker 1: in the past year than any of the cause. Most 40 00:01:57,840 --> 00:02:00,960 Speaker 1: of it fentnol and coming across that southern border. We've 41 00:02:00,960 --> 00:02:03,160 Speaker 1: got to do something about. If the Democrats are willing 42 00:02:03,240 --> 00:02:06,240 Speaker 1: to block this, they will not do anything to get 43 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:09,800 Speaker 1: in the way of their aim to quote transform America. 44 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:12,600 Speaker 1: They have destroyed the border, their flooding America, and they're 45 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:14,560 Speaker 1: turning every town into a border town. And you've seen 46 00:02:14,600 --> 00:02:17,000 Speaker 1: the news. My home state of Tennessee, our home state 47 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:19,720 Speaker 1: of Tennessee has now been notified that we're going to 48 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:22,679 Speaker 1: have you know, people shipped into our state. Single young 49 00:02:22,919 --> 00:02:26,200 Speaker 1: males shipped into our state. Uh. You know, it's going 50 00:02:26,280 --> 00:02:29,040 Speaker 1: to be interesting to see if they cover this the 51 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:31,880 Speaker 1: same way they covered the shipment of people into Martha's Vineyard. 52 00:02:32,120 --> 00:02:33,799 Speaker 1: I think the mainstream media are going to pick this 53 00:02:33,919 --> 00:02:35,800 Speaker 1: up when it happens to Tennessee the way they did, 54 00:02:36,520 --> 00:02:41,320 Speaker 1: and the liberal hotbed of Martha's Vineyard of freaked out. 55 00:02:41,360 --> 00:02:45,320 Speaker 1: You know, there's even the Martha's Vineyard Migrant crisis is 56 00:02:45,360 --> 00:02:47,360 Speaker 1: a wiki page. It's got its own wiki page. They 57 00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:50,320 Speaker 1: are so upset about this, they've got their own Wikipedia page, 58 00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:52,840 Speaker 1: the Martha's Vineyard Migrant Crisis. I wonder if we'll get 59 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:55,040 Speaker 1: one in Tennessee. Yeah, because the Left doesn't want to 60 00:02:55,520 --> 00:02:57,160 Speaker 1: ever point too. I hate to say it this way. 61 00:02:57,200 --> 00:02:58,639 Speaker 1: They don't never like to point in the evidence of 62 00:02:58,720 --> 00:03:02,200 Speaker 1: what these this is situation does to quote border cities, 63 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:04,840 Speaker 1: which is now every city in the United States, every 64 00:03:04,880 --> 00:03:08,320 Speaker 1: state's a border state. We've been litigating these issues for 65 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:10,800 Speaker 1: decades and the fact of the matter is, I don't know. 66 00:03:11,160 --> 00:03:14,919 Speaker 1: I cannot tell you, Senator, how many families have been 67 00:03:15,480 --> 00:03:20,160 Speaker 1: crushed by Fentnyl and losing loved ones. I mean, it's 68 00:03:20,160 --> 00:03:21,880 Speaker 1: happened in our own family. I mean, we've seen it, 69 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:25,080 Speaker 1: and it's tragic. I mean, I'm thinking about the people 70 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:29,919 Speaker 1: in our teams who've lost loved ones or cousins or nephews. 71 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:32,400 Speaker 1: I mean, it's just it's it's outrageous. And you would 72 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:35,520 Speaker 1: think for a moment that the Left would say, you 73 00:03:35,560 --> 00:03:37,280 Speaker 1: know what, this is a real problem on the border. 74 00:03:37,360 --> 00:03:42,240 Speaker 1: That is the vehicle of entry for sex trafficking, the 75 00:03:43,160 --> 00:03:46,360 Speaker 1: vehicle of entranting for the drugs. It is a vehicle 76 00:03:46,440 --> 00:03:50,560 Speaker 1: of entering to put a tremendous stress on our cities 77 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:54,320 Speaker 1: and municipalities. And when you say it's stop Fentyl Border 78 00:03:54,320 --> 00:03:57,360 Speaker 1: Crossing Act, you would think, Senator, that the Left would say, 79 00:03:57,360 --> 00:03:59,680 Speaker 1: and your Democratic colleagues would say, you know what, we 80 00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:03,320 Speaker 1: could all work together to stop ventel. I would certainly 81 00:04:03,320 --> 00:04:06,400 Speaker 1: hope so, but it seems to be inconvenient truth for them. 82 00:04:07,600 --> 00:04:10,640 Speaker 1: They are still so focused on getting people, and I 83 00:04:10,640 --> 00:04:14,200 Speaker 1: think primarily into sanctuary cities where they can have, you know, 84 00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:17,719 Speaker 1: the ability to up the counts, so to speak of humans, 85 00:04:17,760 --> 00:04:20,040 Speaker 1: because you know how the centis works. Wilbur Ross tried 86 00:04:20,080 --> 00:04:21,520 Speaker 1: to change this when he was a Common Secretary to 87 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:24,839 Speaker 1: add the question about citizenship. Know, the number of congressional 88 00:04:24,839 --> 00:04:27,320 Speaker 1: districts and therefore ellectual votes are going to be determined 89 00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:29,680 Speaker 1: by the number of people living in a given area, 90 00:04:29,720 --> 00:04:31,120 Speaker 1: and maybe what they're trying to do in my state 91 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:33,520 Speaker 1: of Tennessee to shift those numbers in their favor as well. 92 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:36,520 Speaker 1: You know, it's interesting because right now pending before the 93 00:04:36,520 --> 00:04:38,320 Speaker 1: Supreme Court, if you're just joining us on Hannity, So 94 00:04:38,520 --> 00:04:41,800 Speaker 1: the Supreme Court Chief Justice Roberts issued last night a 95 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:46,479 Speaker 1: stay in the case involving the application of Title forty two. 96 00:04:46,720 --> 00:04:49,760 Speaker 1: District Court said it can no longer be applied. Court 97 00:04:49,760 --> 00:04:53,080 Speaker 1: of Appeal said the same thing. Chief Justice stopped at 98 00:04:53,160 --> 00:04:55,200 Speaker 1: least temporarily. That temporary by the way, I could expire 99 00:04:55,240 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 1: tonight while the United States responds to in a brief. 100 00:04:58,760 --> 00:05:02,039 Speaker 1: That response, By the way, do about the time we 101 00:05:02,080 --> 00:05:04,360 Speaker 1: conclude the broadcast today so we can get an order 102 00:05:04,360 --> 00:05:06,520 Speaker 1: out of the court tonight tomorrow. I've had him where 103 00:05:06,520 --> 00:05:08,039 Speaker 1: they've gone for an hour. I've had him where they've 104 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:09,720 Speaker 1: gone for four months. I mean, you just don't know. 105 00:05:10,040 --> 00:05:12,120 Speaker 1: But when you look at the problem center in Jordan, 106 00:05:12,120 --> 00:05:14,600 Speaker 1: You've talked about this a lot. Every city has now 107 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:17,200 Speaker 1: become a border city. Have you heard from Senator Haghery. 108 00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:19,440 Speaker 1: This is pretty breaking news. It just came out right 109 00:05:19,440 --> 00:05:23,000 Speaker 1: before he joined us on the Hannity broadcast that Tennessee 110 00:05:23,040 --> 00:05:26,679 Speaker 1: now is going to get this unspecified number, Senator Haggerty 111 00:05:26,839 --> 00:05:31,040 Speaker 1: of single men who are just going to be dropped off. 112 00:05:31,560 --> 00:05:33,640 Speaker 1: Don't know the amount, don't know the number. I don't 113 00:05:33,640 --> 00:05:36,200 Speaker 1: know if we even have the location yet. So now 114 00:05:36,640 --> 00:05:40,400 Speaker 1: Tennesseeans are going to experience. And like you said, is 115 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:43,240 Speaker 1: the national media going to run to Nashville or Memphis, 116 00:05:43,600 --> 00:05:46,799 Speaker 1: or Chattanooga or Knoxville to cover any of these stories? 117 00:05:46,960 --> 00:05:49,479 Speaker 1: I don't think so. So it's up to us to 118 00:05:49,600 --> 00:05:53,120 Speaker 1: tell the stories. Absolutely it is. And I appreciate you're 119 00:05:53,120 --> 00:05:55,880 Speaker 1: giving us an opportunity to do it. You think about this, 120 00:05:57,400 --> 00:05:59,600 Speaker 1: the number of illegal immigrants that have come into the 121 00:05:59,640 --> 00:06:03,000 Speaker 1: country just in the past year, roughly three million. That's 122 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:06,240 Speaker 1: larger than the cities of Nashville, Memphis, massel In, Chattanooga combined. 123 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:08,960 Speaker 1: That doesn't even include the goat away. I mean, this 124 00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:11,880 Speaker 1: is a already a tidal wave of people coming across 125 00:06:11,880 --> 00:06:13,760 Speaker 1: that border. And now the title of forty two is 126 00:06:14,279 --> 00:06:16,400 Speaker 1: in a state position, but as Jay said, it could 127 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:18,760 Speaker 1: be lifted tonight, it could be lifted tomorrow. But once 128 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:21,160 Speaker 1: that state is lifted, this is going to become a 129 00:06:21,200 --> 00:06:25,159 Speaker 1: tsunami of human tragedy coming across that border. And I 130 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:28,040 Speaker 1: tell you, I've taken a group of Tennessee sheriffs and 131 00:06:28,120 --> 00:06:30,400 Speaker 1: mayors down to the border. I've been there on other occasions. 132 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:33,479 Speaker 1: It is an absolute travesty. What's happening. You see the 133 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:35,599 Speaker 1: misery that's occurring in that border. The people that have 134 00:06:35,640 --> 00:06:38,880 Speaker 1: paid their life savings to these coyotes and cartels to 135 00:06:38,920 --> 00:06:40,839 Speaker 1: get up there, to risk their lives to come through 136 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:44,880 Speaker 1: you long, long and dangerous journeys. Then they're bringing finnel 137 00:06:44,960 --> 00:06:47,160 Speaker 1: in along with them. The human traffic that you mentioned 138 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:50,440 Speaker 1: all of this is just a terrible situation from a 139 00:06:50,520 --> 00:06:54,200 Speaker 1: national security standpoint. We have captured or encountered is the 140 00:06:54,240 --> 00:06:57,640 Speaker 1: flight where that the Biden administration uses over one hundred 141 00:06:57,640 --> 00:07:00,760 Speaker 1: and sixty different nationalities at that border. Joe Biden took 142 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:03,839 Speaker 1: office over one hundred and sixty different countries, a number 143 00:07:03,839 --> 00:07:06,320 Speaker 1: of people that are on the terrorist watch list. They're 144 00:07:06,320 --> 00:07:09,560 Speaker 1: only one hundred ninety three countries recognized by the United Nations. 145 00:07:09,600 --> 00:07:11,080 Speaker 1: I mean, this gives you an idea of the scope 146 00:07:11,080 --> 00:07:14,520 Speaker 1: of the national security crisis that they have precipitated our border. 147 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:17,840 Speaker 1: It's unprecedented, and everyone, including the mainstream media are looking 148 00:07:17,880 --> 00:07:20,200 Speaker 1: the other way. You know, the minitarian crisis that this 149 00:07:20,280 --> 00:07:22,240 Speaker 1: was created in the border and then in our communities 150 00:07:22,240 --> 00:07:26,080 Speaker 1: and municipalities. Folks. I've represented das in a variety of 151 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:29,600 Speaker 1: states when the easiest used come up, and you know, 152 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:33,560 Speaker 1: it's very it's tragic what's happening to our families and 153 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:35,800 Speaker 1: our communities. It's tragic to what's happening to the people 154 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:39,520 Speaker 1: that are being paying their life savings, as the Senator said, 155 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:41,960 Speaker 1: to be handled by a coyote, and they may or 156 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:44,120 Speaker 1: may not have known they had fentinyl in their backpack. 157 00:07:44,160 --> 00:07:47,080 Speaker 1: Who knows the point is they did and that was 158 00:07:47,120 --> 00:07:48,720 Speaker 1: coming into the United States. Want to I want to 159 00:07:48,760 --> 00:07:51,640 Speaker 1: shoop gears for a moment here Center, because you introduce 160 00:07:51,720 --> 00:07:54,760 Speaker 1: a bill to require the Department of Justice to prioritize 161 00:07:54,960 --> 00:07:59,600 Speaker 1: stopping violent crime and fentinyl trafficking rather than applying the 162 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:03,840 Speaker 1: Free Access to Clinic Entrances Act on abortion protesters, of 163 00:08:03,960 --> 00:08:07,640 Speaker 1: which I've litigated more FACE cases probably than anybody have 164 00:08:07,760 --> 00:08:10,560 Speaker 1: handled three four cases at the Supreme Court dealing with 165 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:13,360 Speaker 1: related issues. And this idea that now, as you said, 166 00:08:13,440 --> 00:08:17,840 Speaker 1: you know, stop persecute, prosecuting ministers and arrest murderers. But 167 00:08:18,200 --> 00:08:21,000 Speaker 1: Department of Justice dusted off the Face Act, which hadn't 168 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:23,800 Speaker 1: been applied in a decade, and all of a sudden, 169 00:08:23,840 --> 00:08:25,760 Speaker 1: they make it a cost thee LEB and they're spending 170 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:28,560 Speaker 1: real resources going after pro life protesters who if they 171 00:08:28,600 --> 00:08:30,680 Speaker 1: wanted to go after him, local munist palties could for 172 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:33,080 Speaker 1: like trespass, but they said, they try to turn it 173 00:08:33,080 --> 00:08:36,360 Speaker 1: into literally a federal criminal case. Now this is where 174 00:08:36,360 --> 00:08:39,240 Speaker 1: the priorities is a Biden administration happened to lie. It's 175 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:41,520 Speaker 1: a war on conservative thought. It's certainly a war on 176 00:08:41,600 --> 00:08:44,880 Speaker 1: pro life and if you think about it, my legislation 177 00:08:44,880 --> 00:08:47,360 Speaker 1: made a tremendous amount of sense not to deploy resources 178 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:50,080 Speaker 1: in that matter, to put them against the hardened criminals 179 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:52,160 Speaker 1: that are here illegally, that have been convicted as felons. 180 00:08:52,520 --> 00:08:54,880 Speaker 1: They won't even do that. They won't even redirect their 181 00:08:54,920 --> 00:08:58,480 Speaker 1: resources to get hardened illegal immigrants who are felons out 182 00:08:58,520 --> 00:09:00,680 Speaker 1: of the country. They'd rather come in it hack Americans, 183 00:09:00,679 --> 00:09:03,560 Speaker 1: whether it's for life clinics or it's parents that are 184 00:09:03,559 --> 00:09:05,920 Speaker 1: attending a school board meeting. You know, they're not going 185 00:09:05,960 --> 00:09:08,679 Speaker 1: to protect Supreme Court justice who's being marched upon in 186 00:09:08,800 --> 00:09:11,360 Speaker 1: violation of federal law, but they're going to do everything 187 00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:14,800 Speaker 1: they can to harass and harangue conservative thinkers here in America. 188 00:09:14,960 --> 00:09:17,959 Speaker 1: It's just a shame. It really a center. We appreciate 189 00:09:18,040 --> 00:09:20,959 Speaker 1: you being representing really all of us, and we've certainly 190 00:09:21,440 --> 00:09:24,280 Speaker 1: appreciated working with you and your team trying to advance 191 00:09:24,320 --> 00:09:27,000 Speaker 1: causes for the country and of course for your state 192 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:29,120 Speaker 1: of Tennessee as well our state at Tendency. But I 193 00:09:29,160 --> 00:09:31,040 Speaker 1: also want to say thank you from all of us 194 00:09:31,240 --> 00:09:33,040 Speaker 1: for all of the hard work you're doing. I know 195 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:36,520 Speaker 1: this is great challenges ahead, but We're just glad you're there. 196 00:09:36,559 --> 00:09:39,160 Speaker 1: Thanks Center, but thank you, thank you very much both. 197 00:09:39,240 --> 00:09:41,000 Speaker 1: J Jordan, thank you for what you do. You know, 198 00:09:41,040 --> 00:09:43,320 Speaker 1: I wanted to say and appreciate it Center that you know, 199 00:09:43,640 --> 00:09:46,439 Speaker 1: we so far every issue we've hit at the American 200 00:09:46,520 --> 00:09:48,240 Speaker 1: Center for Law and Justice, we've been front and center 201 00:09:48,520 --> 00:09:50,320 Speaker 1: on all of these cases. A lot of these are 202 00:09:50,360 --> 00:09:52,600 Speaker 1: coming back up again. So what you said, dusting off 203 00:09:52,640 --> 00:09:55,800 Speaker 1: the Face Act and reprioritizing at the DOJ in a 204 00:09:55,840 --> 00:09:58,840 Speaker 1: way that even the Obama administration wasn't doing. This kind 205 00:09:58,840 --> 00:10:03,320 Speaker 1: of left focus on pro life protesters and ministers like 206 00:10:03,360 --> 00:10:06,679 Speaker 1: Senator Haggerty was talking about instead of the drug traffickers, 207 00:10:06,920 --> 00:10:10,200 Speaker 1: instead of the violent criminals. So they talk about defunding 208 00:10:10,200 --> 00:10:12,400 Speaker 1: the police, and they ran away from defunding the police closer. 209 00:10:12,440 --> 00:10:15,320 Speaker 1: That didn't work out so well. No, but but it's 210 00:10:15,320 --> 00:10:18,080 Speaker 1: not like they refunded the police. That needs to be 211 00:10:18,120 --> 00:10:20,760 Speaker 1: pointed out. All of this legislation that we've talked about 212 00:10:20,800 --> 00:10:25,400 Speaker 1: today is about refunding law enforcement to do the right thing. 213 00:10:25,640 --> 00:10:27,680 Speaker 1: They tried to make us out as considers to be 214 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:30,800 Speaker 1: anti law enforcement. We're not anti law enforcement. We are 215 00:10:30,920 --> 00:10:33,680 Speaker 1: pro law enforcement. We just want their priorities to be 216 00:10:33,760 --> 00:10:36,559 Speaker 1: set right from Washington, DC, especially if we're talking about 217 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:39,199 Speaker 1: federal law enforcement agencies. Now, you're right, and the Department 218 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:41,319 Speaker 1: of Justice has a lot of flexibility and they are 219 00:10:41,400 --> 00:10:46,000 Speaker 1: exercising that flexibility, folks. 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There's a lot of folks that we're 254 00:12:28,640 --> 00:12:31,680 Speaker 1: going to be talking to on the broadcast, especially this 255 00:12:32,040 --> 00:12:34,800 Speaker 1: third at the second and third hour are actually team 256 00:12:34,840 --> 00:12:37,520 Speaker 1: members of the ACLJ. So they're not just people we 257 00:12:37,559 --> 00:12:39,880 Speaker 1: talked to on broadcast, but there are people that we 258 00:12:40,080 --> 00:12:42,520 Speaker 1: work with behind the scenes as well, and one of 259 00:12:42,559 --> 00:12:45,360 Speaker 1: those is the former Secretary of State Mike Pompeo. So 260 00:12:45,360 --> 00:12:48,319 Speaker 1: you can imagine whether we're talking about the border because 261 00:12:48,320 --> 00:12:50,920 Speaker 1: of course all the negotiations that take place with like 262 00:12:51,040 --> 00:12:54,000 Speaker 1: remain in Mexico and the Northern Triangle countries, with the 263 00:12:54,080 --> 00:12:57,360 Speaker 1: Latin American countries with terrorism, and as a former Secretary 264 00:12:57,360 --> 00:12:59,400 Speaker 1: of State, as a former CIA director of former Member 265 00:12:59,440 --> 00:13:02,520 Speaker 1: of Congress West Point Grad, all of those things combined, 266 00:13:02,760 --> 00:13:04,920 Speaker 1: and he's able to assist us at the a c 267 00:13:05,080 --> 00:13:07,720 Speaker 1: l J DAD when we are when sometimes we're outside 268 00:13:07,760 --> 00:13:10,840 Speaker 1: the government, outside the executive branch, but we're pushing the 269 00:13:10,840 --> 00:13:14,319 Speaker 1: executive branch. We're pushing legislation, pushing for a request and 270 00:13:14,360 --> 00:13:17,040 Speaker 1: information like that. Well, you know, it's interesting because with 271 00:13:17,600 --> 00:13:20,560 Speaker 1: the former Secretary of State Mike Pompeio, like as Jordan said, 272 00:13:20,559 --> 00:13:24,600 Speaker 1: as our senior Council of Global Affairs, we operate internationally. 273 00:13:24,640 --> 00:13:28,080 Speaker 1: We have offices throughout the world, including in Strasburg, France, 274 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:30,800 Speaker 1: where the European Parliament sits in the European Court of 275 00:13:30,840 --> 00:13:34,679 Speaker 1: Human Rights, but also we have offices in Jerusalem that 276 00:13:34,720 --> 00:13:37,040 Speaker 1: are very active. I've been to in Jordan has as 277 00:13:37,040 --> 00:13:39,280 Speaker 1: well to the International Criminal Court in the EGG where 278 00:13:39,320 --> 00:13:43,800 Speaker 1: we've defended the US interests. We've defended Israel's interests at 279 00:13:43,800 --> 00:13:46,760 Speaker 1: the UN. But what's interesting here is when we talk 280 00:13:46,840 --> 00:13:49,520 Speaker 1: to the Secretary of State, I want to ask him 281 00:13:49,600 --> 00:13:53,320 Speaker 1: about China, because Jim Jordan's also coming up in this 282 00:13:53,360 --> 00:13:56,199 Speaker 1: broadcast and he's going to be heading up the Judiciary Committee. 283 00:13:56,840 --> 00:13:58,520 Speaker 1: A lot of us would like to know what happened. 284 00:13:58,920 --> 00:14:01,880 Speaker 1: How did the Wuhan lab if that's where it originated 285 00:14:01,920 --> 00:14:04,920 Speaker 1: from it and apparently that is where it originated from, 286 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:07,079 Speaker 1: how did they get funding, including from the United States, 287 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:09,760 Speaker 1: maybe indirectly through a third party, but from the United States. 288 00:14:10,080 --> 00:14:11,680 Speaker 1: I lost a brother to COVID, So I take it 289 00:14:11,800 --> 00:14:15,280 Speaker 1: very personally, and I'm going to tell you something. When 290 00:14:15,320 --> 00:14:17,400 Speaker 1: you have people like Jim Jordan now heading up committees, 291 00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:19,280 Speaker 1: this is is gonna be a different world we're living in 292 00:14:19,280 --> 00:14:23,840 Speaker 1: in about a week and a half, very different world. Now. 293 00:14:24,040 --> 00:14:26,680 Speaker 1: You got a divided government, you got the Senate controlled 294 00:14:26,720 --> 00:14:29,600 Speaker 1: by the Democrats, you got that Republicans controlling the House, 295 00:14:29,960 --> 00:14:32,600 Speaker 1: and of course the White House with our commander in 296 00:14:32,640 --> 00:14:36,640 Speaker 1: chief as he's called Joe Biden, and a commander in 297 00:14:36,680 --> 00:14:38,280 Speaker 1: chief that won't go down to the border where the 298 00:14:38,280 --> 00:14:41,000 Speaker 1: crisis is, a commander in chief that will not address 299 00:14:41,040 --> 00:14:43,320 Speaker 1: the issues that are the most concerned the American people, 300 00:14:43,520 --> 00:14:46,840 Speaker 1: including inflation which is still out of control, and including 301 00:14:46,840 --> 00:14:49,840 Speaker 1: a situation with China. So we're gonna ask Mike Pompey 302 00:14:49,880 --> 00:14:51,400 Speaker 1: about all those But as Jordan said, you know, we 303 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:53,520 Speaker 1: get to work with people like this. By the way, 304 00:14:53,560 --> 00:14:55,680 Speaker 1: coming up later in the next hour the broadcast, when 305 00:14:55,680 --> 00:14:58,760 Speaker 1: we joined by former Director of Natural Intelligence Rick Rannell, 306 00:14:59,040 --> 00:15:02,840 Speaker 1: Senior Advisor to the a CLJ on issues of international security, 307 00:15:02,880 --> 00:15:05,560 Speaker 1: I've got to ask him questions. By the way, there's 308 00:15:05,560 --> 00:15:08,080 Speaker 1: a report that's out right now that the Department of 309 00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:10,360 Speaker 1: Justice during the Muller probe, and we know a little 310 00:15:10,400 --> 00:15:12,760 Speaker 1: bit about that, since we represented the former president during 311 00:15:12,800 --> 00:15:18,600 Speaker 1: that was having warrants and subpoenas issued on members ready 312 00:15:18,600 --> 00:15:24,840 Speaker 1: for this, on members of the Intelligence Committee's senior staff. 313 00:15:25,560 --> 00:15:30,640 Speaker 1: The Department of Justice monitoring the Congress, which is, by 314 00:15:30,640 --> 00:15:34,160 Speaker 1: the way, not the way it's supposed to be. And 315 00:15:34,240 --> 00:15:36,440 Speaker 1: that's why we file freedom of information acts at the 316 00:15:36,480 --> 00:15:38,560 Speaker 1: a c l J and go to court to find 317 00:15:38,560 --> 00:15:41,200 Speaker 1: out what's going on. 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You may 344 00:17:22,119 --> 00:17:25,400 Speaker 1: know him best as the former Secretary of State, Mike Pompeo. 345 00:17:25,680 --> 00:17:28,400 Speaker 1: Mister Secretary's great to be with you on Shaun's broadcast. 346 00:17:28,440 --> 00:17:31,400 Speaker 1: You're with us on our program often a couple times 347 00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:33,159 Speaker 1: a week, but it's great having you on here. I 348 00:17:33,200 --> 00:17:36,280 Speaker 1: wanted to start with the border question because, as I 349 00:17:36,720 --> 00:17:39,640 Speaker 1: mentioned the beginning of the program today, title forty two 350 00:17:39,720 --> 00:17:41,600 Speaker 1: up before the Supreme Court in the United States, John 351 00:17:41,680 --> 00:17:44,400 Speaker 1: Roberts issued an administrative stay so that it could still 352 00:17:44,400 --> 00:17:47,199 Speaker 1: be utilized today by our border patrolled. May not be 353 00:17:47,240 --> 00:17:48,879 Speaker 1: the case by the time we're off the air. I mean, 354 00:17:48,880 --> 00:17:51,040 Speaker 1: the government has to respond. Basically, when we're done with 355 00:17:51,040 --> 00:17:54,560 Speaker 1: the broadcast today around five o'clock and then you could. 356 00:17:54,760 --> 00:17:57,719 Speaker 1: I've had these stays last an hour. I've had him 357 00:17:57,840 --> 00:18:00,760 Speaker 1: last you know, four months. But your sense of what 358 00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:06,280 Speaker 1: lifting title forty two could do and we'll do to 359 00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:09,600 Speaker 1: the American people because of the border crisis, it will 360 00:18:09,640 --> 00:18:14,400 Speaker 1: help exacerbate. Jay Jordan, thanks for having me on Sean Show. 361 00:18:14,920 --> 00:18:17,480 Speaker 1: It's great to be with you again. Look, lifting title 362 00:18:17,520 --> 00:18:19,919 Speaker 1: forty two, we don't have to guess about what that 363 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:23,040 Speaker 1: means for America. You can see it with your own eye. 364 00:18:23,600 --> 00:18:25,879 Speaker 1: The left can try to gaslight us, but make no mistake, 365 00:18:25,920 --> 00:18:27,720 Speaker 1: you can see the thousands of people who are going 366 00:18:27,760 --> 00:18:31,560 Speaker 1: to come across. Even the administrations estimated maybe as many 367 00:18:31,560 --> 00:18:34,920 Speaker 1: as seven thousand people a day, fourteen thousand people, I mean, 368 00:18:35,359 --> 00:18:39,760 Speaker 1: numbers that just staggered boggle the mind. I'm I'm from Kansas, 369 00:18:39,960 --> 00:18:42,439 Speaker 1: you know, fourteen thousand people is a reasonably good sized 370 00:18:42,560 --> 00:18:46,840 Speaker 1: town every day coming across the southern border unlawfully bringing 371 00:18:46,960 --> 00:18:51,680 Speaker 1: with them goodness knows what, fentanol, chemicals, drugs. We've had 372 00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:54,560 Speaker 1: dozens and dozens of people there, watch lists come across. 373 00:18:54,560 --> 00:18:57,280 Speaker 1: Who knows who knows how many we haven't caught. So 374 00:18:57,440 --> 00:19:00,639 Speaker 1: this will be devastatingly bad for the United States. Tattle 375 00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:03,359 Speaker 1: forty two and the administration left the state come and 376 00:19:03,440 --> 00:19:06,560 Speaker 1: did nothing to tell you exactly about their intentions with 377 00:19:06,720 --> 00:19:08,520 Speaker 1: respect to the border. They're not going to do a thing. 378 00:19:09,040 --> 00:19:11,399 Speaker 1: I mean, we're starting to see Secretary of Pompeio finally 379 00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:14,000 Speaker 1: Mary Adams in New York. I mean, he's complaining over 380 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:17,680 Speaker 1: thirty thousand people. It's New York City. And you've got 381 00:19:17,680 --> 00:19:21,320 Speaker 1: the Governor Newsom in California, that's a state that actually 382 00:19:21,320 --> 00:19:24,080 Speaker 1: has a wall speaking out about how this is just 383 00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:27,119 Speaker 1: a total crisis and coming out of control. But it 384 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:30,320 Speaker 1: seems like, as you said, the Biden administration Kreen Jean 385 00:19:30,359 --> 00:19:32,840 Speaker 1: Pierre and their press conferences is going to continue to 386 00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:35,440 Speaker 1: gaslight us. They're going to continue to say, like Secretary 387 00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:39,000 Speaker 1: of Americas, the borders secure, We're doing everything we can. 388 00:19:39,160 --> 00:19:42,439 Speaker 1: It's the Republican's fault somehow. It's the party that's in 389 00:19:42,440 --> 00:19:45,360 Speaker 1: the minority currently in both the House and the Senate 390 00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:48,320 Speaker 1: and the White House. It's their fault that the border 391 00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:51,760 Speaker 1: is like this. And we've talked about this before, but 392 00:19:51,920 --> 00:19:54,119 Speaker 1: all the policies you were putting in place under the 393 00:19:54,119 --> 00:19:58,239 Speaker 1: Trump administration, it's like they can't stomach utilizing any of 394 00:19:58,240 --> 00:20:01,359 Speaker 1: them just because it happened to be something done under 395 00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:06,440 Speaker 1: the Trump administration. During your point, this isn't a Republican 396 00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:09,119 Speaker 1: problem or a Democrat problem. This is an American problem. 397 00:20:09,400 --> 00:20:11,720 Speaker 1: You're gonna have big city mayors all across America to 398 00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:14,160 Speaker 1: say what Mayor Adams said in New York City. Help, 399 00:20:14,600 --> 00:20:17,080 Speaker 1: we have a crisis. Now. Even the leadership in El 400 00:20:17,119 --> 00:20:19,320 Speaker 1: Paso right that didn't want to say it now realized 401 00:20:19,359 --> 00:20:22,480 Speaker 1: they've got an emergency on their hand and it is deeply, 402 00:20:23,040 --> 00:20:25,080 Speaker 1: deeply dangerous to the people who are going to be 403 00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:27,200 Speaker 1: sleeping on the streets. Tens of thousands of people sleeping 404 00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:29,400 Speaker 1: on the streets and the cities along the border. That's 405 00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:32,639 Speaker 1: not a humanitarian And you know you're to your final 406 00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:35,439 Speaker 1: thought there. It took us a little bit, but we 407 00:20:35,640 --> 00:20:38,840 Speaker 1: finally figured it out. We've figured out how to stop 408 00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:40,800 Speaker 1: precisely what you're seeing today at the border. We had 409 00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:44,479 Speaker 1: flowed illegal immigration to a trickle. I promise you we 410 00:20:44,520 --> 00:20:46,679 Speaker 1: would have all been fired if we had seven thousand 411 00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:48,880 Speaker 1: people come and discross the border on any one day, 412 00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:50,640 Speaker 1: and we would have been right to have been fired. 413 00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:52,400 Speaker 1: It would have been the right thing. This is possible 414 00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:54,200 Speaker 1: to stop. We don't need to go to root causes 415 00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:57,160 Speaker 1: and dream about funding Al Savador and Honduras and gut 416 00:20:57,200 --> 00:20:59,720 Speaker 1: of all. We need to do the things that America 417 00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:02,520 Speaker 1: could do. We can demand that the Mexican government do 418 00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:04,600 Speaker 1: it's part. And when we do, when we get that right, 419 00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:06,919 Speaker 1: when we turn the magnet off here, just like remain 420 00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:10,840 Speaker 1: in Mexico, that simple policy did you can slow down 421 00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:12,800 Speaker 1: illegal of a grating to a level that we can 422 00:21:12,840 --> 00:21:15,840 Speaker 1: protect our sovereignty, to protect our borders. The American people 423 00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:19,040 Speaker 1: will demand this and they certainly deserve it. Let me 424 00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:21,200 Speaker 1: ask you this, mister Secretary. I want to go over 425 00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:24,000 Speaker 1: to the situation in China. You've talked on our broadcast 426 00:21:24,080 --> 00:21:29,280 Speaker 1: on Seculo often about the situation, the danger that China poses. 427 00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:32,919 Speaker 1: But I think for those listening today, I want to 428 00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:35,040 Speaker 1: recap that, so to speak, and that is when you 429 00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:37,399 Speaker 1: look at the global threats that the US is facing, 430 00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:40,399 Speaker 1: how do you rate the Chinese threat right now? The 431 00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:43,320 Speaker 1: Chinese govern not the people of China, the Chinese government, 432 00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:46,080 Speaker 1: the Communist Party of China's threat to the United States 433 00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:50,280 Speaker 1: Jay It's number one. As external threats goes, people from 434 00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:52,639 Speaker 1: outside trying to impact us here at home, changing the 435 00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:55,360 Speaker 1: lives the way we live in America. The Chinese Communist 436 00:21:55,359 --> 00:21:58,679 Speaker 1: parties number one. So then when you take it to 437 00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:02,000 Speaker 1: when we talked about this, also, the universities are being 438 00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:07,520 Speaker 1: infiltrated by the Chinese Communist Party, even in the America's 439 00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:12,520 Speaker 1: leading universities. I saw this when I was Secondary of State. 440 00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:17,919 Speaker 1: Our biggest research universities doing high end work are all 441 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:21,320 Speaker 1: dependent on the Chinese Communist Party, and it's money money 442 00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:24,560 Speaker 1: for their research. Students that come to schools they pay, 443 00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:26,320 Speaker 1: you know, they pay full rate. They don't get a 444 00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:30,800 Speaker 1: discounted rate. Their pension systems now are often that the 445 00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:33,960 Speaker 1: college pensions, state university systems are all tied to the 446 00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:37,000 Speaker 1: Chinese Communist Party though they have infiltrated. I talk about 447 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:40,400 Speaker 1: the Chinese Communist Party as being inside the gates impacting 448 00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:43,720 Speaker 1: ordinary Americans every single day. This isn't a foreign policy issue. 449 00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:46,520 Speaker 1: This is an American issue that impacts us here at 450 00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:49,360 Speaker 1: home every day, and the Biden administration has shown no 451 00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:52,399 Speaker 1: willingness to actually confront it. You know, there was a 452 00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:55,359 Speaker 1: move on TikTok, and we may explain it for people. 453 00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:58,919 Speaker 1: For a second Secretary Pompeo first to TikTok and the 454 00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:02,479 Speaker 1: US say, you know, this should be banned from government 455 00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:04,760 Speaker 1: employees's phones. That's you know. They're not yet going to 456 00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:07,399 Speaker 1: the fact of banning it from all Americans phone, but 457 00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:10,399 Speaker 1: from federal government employee's phones. And yet the House has 458 00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:13,200 Speaker 1: not yet taken up the legislation. This passed the Democrat 459 00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:17,000 Speaker 1: controlled US Senate. We've talked about the dangers of TikTok. 460 00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:19,880 Speaker 1: People said, get this off your phone. This is a 461 00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:23,679 Speaker 1: sparring tool by the Chinese Communist Party. How serious I 462 00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:25,720 Speaker 1: mean the TikTok threat. There's a lot of people listen 463 00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:28,320 Speaker 1: to broadcast right now. They may not use TikTok, but 464 00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:31,960 Speaker 1: their kids and grandkids do. Tell your kids to get 465 00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:36,000 Speaker 1: TikTok off their phone. That's my that is my guidance, 466 00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:39,840 Speaker 1: because I care about your family, your kids, your security, 467 00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:43,160 Speaker 1: your privacy. It has been pushed by the Chinese Communist 468 00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:46,480 Speaker 1: Party both to collect information from our kids, but also 469 00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:50,240 Speaker 1: to propagandize them, to push information to them so that 470 00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:53,480 Speaker 1: they'll think about America as being exceptional, and about China 471 00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:56,800 Speaker 1: and Chinese Communist Party and being normal and decent. We 472 00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:59,320 Speaker 1: know how perverse and how wrong. That is now we 473 00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:02,240 Speaker 1: should not own to get it our federal phones. Imagine 474 00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:04,920 Speaker 1: Jordan just for a second, that we asked the Chinese 475 00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:08,280 Speaker 1: military to put on a US that was spine on 476 00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:10,639 Speaker 1: them on their phones. But it's not going to happen. 477 00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:13,919 Speaker 1: We've been naive, We've been silly. We could fix this. 478 00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:16,639 Speaker 1: Other countries have banned TikTok. We tried to do it 479 00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:20,280 Speaker 1: the Trump administration. Frankly, we didn't get it done. There 480 00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:21,800 Speaker 1: was some hope that we could figure out a way 481 00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:25,080 Speaker 1: to disconnect TikTok from the Chinese government. I don't believe 482 00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:27,760 Speaker 1: that's possible. We simply need to ban it and everyone 483 00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:29,840 Speaker 1: needs to take the app off their phones. You know, 484 00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:31,359 Speaker 1: one of the things that you worked on. I'm going 485 00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:33,879 Speaker 1: to move us to the Middle East at the American 486 00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:35,840 Speaker 1: Center for Law and Justice. As you know, mister Secretary, 487 00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:38,800 Speaker 1: We've got an office, very active office in Jerusalem and 488 00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:41,080 Speaker 1: handles a lot of issues throughout the Middle East, Internet 489 00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:43,320 Speaker 1: issues involving the International Criminal Court in the Hague, where 490 00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:48,720 Speaker 1: I've appeared multiple times. Interestingly, though, the Bine administration was 491 00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:53,000 Speaker 1: pursuing aggressively a re engagement in the Iran nuclear deal, 492 00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:55,800 Speaker 1: as it's called Now. When you were Secretary of State, 493 00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:58,680 Speaker 1: you led the charge to get us out of that deal, 494 00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:00,600 Speaker 1: which was horrible because there was no deal at all. 495 00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:05,960 Speaker 1: I notice in the last three weeks silence from the administrator. 496 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:09,000 Speaker 1: They were pushing and pushing and pushing. It about December first, 497 00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:12,600 Speaker 1: it kind of stopped. What's your sense of what the 498 00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:14,879 Speaker 1: administration was trying to accomplish? What any think happen here? 499 00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:16,280 Speaker 1: I know it's you know, it's hard to read the 500 00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:18,479 Speaker 1: tea leaves sometimes, but you would know it better than 501 00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:22,800 Speaker 1: anybody else. Yeah, my sense, Jay, as reality hit them 502 00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:25,720 Speaker 1: in the faith, the reality of the reigning regime and 503 00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:29,119 Speaker 1: what they're doing to women and ordinary citizens who are 504 00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:30,920 Speaker 1: just trying to do simple things and live their lives. 505 00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:33,680 Speaker 1: And I think that reality became so clear. And then 506 00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:37,119 Speaker 1: I think the Iranians kept asking for stopping, and we 507 00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:39,639 Speaker 1: kept giving it to them, and they kept telling them, no, 508 00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:42,280 Speaker 1: that's not enough. And so I think the administration finally 509 00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:44,320 Speaker 1: has not reached a point where they have come to 510 00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:46,679 Speaker 1: recognize they can't get that deal done. I don't think 511 00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:50,240 Speaker 1: it changes their view. They have been acting in a 512 00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:52,560 Speaker 1: way that cuddles the United States up way too close 513 00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:54,520 Speaker 1: to a rot I don't think that's going to change. 514 00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:56,560 Speaker 1: But boy, if you see what the Kingdom of Saudi 515 00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:59,200 Speaker 1: Arabia and the Emirates are doing and edging their vests 516 00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:02,600 Speaker 1: with China, if you watch the Israelis do the same thing, 517 00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:05,440 Speaker 1: that shows a disconnectedness from the reality of Middle East 518 00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:09,080 Speaker 1: that we delivered, real prosperity, real peace less risk. Our 519 00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:11,159 Speaker 1: kids would have to go fight and die in the 520 00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:13,040 Speaker 1: Middle East because of the work that we did for 521 00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:16,200 Speaker 1: four years and the five administrations, much like we began. Jay, 522 00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:18,760 Speaker 1: you talked about the just if Trump and Pompeo did 523 00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:20,439 Speaker 1: if they can't do it, I think you're seeing the 524 00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:22,720 Speaker 1: same thing here in the Middle East as well. You know, 525 00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:26,000 Speaker 1: it's interesting because one of the last things that happened 526 00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:29,400 Speaker 1: was of course the Abraham Accord, which had a gigantic 527 00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:32,480 Speaker 1: impact and reshape really and we've been involved in the 528 00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:36,840 Speaker 1: Middle East for forty years. It reshaped, Mike, the trajectory 529 00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:41,560 Speaker 1: of Middle East relations. It did. I'm really I'm really 530 00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:44,520 Speaker 1: proud of all the people who made that happen, including 531 00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:48,040 Speaker 1: the people of those countries, amazing leaders like Mohammed bin 532 00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:51,640 Speaker 1: Zaad and Mohammed bin Salman, the leaders in Bahrain, President Trump, 533 00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:54,240 Speaker 1: Prime Minister Nanya, who these leaders came together and said, 534 00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:57,800 Speaker 1: enough of this nonsense, of this historic misunderstanding of what 535 00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:01,359 Speaker 1: it really takes to get peace. We changed the course 536 00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:04,560 Speaker 1: of history. People in the Gulf arap States will be 537 00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:06,480 Speaker 1: better or as really friends will be better off, but 538 00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:09,480 Speaker 1: most importantly, American young men and women will be far 539 00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:13,320 Speaker 1: better off as a result of what we achieved. One 540 00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:16,159 Speaker 1: more question for you, and that is we've got a 541 00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:18,040 Speaker 1: new Congress starting in just a few days. You served 542 00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:20,560 Speaker 1: in Congress for a number of years. We're gonna be 543 00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:24,159 Speaker 1: joined by jim Jordan later in the broadcast. Do you 544 00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:27,280 Speaker 1: think now that Republicans are going to have control of 545 00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:31,399 Speaker 1: the House barely but control of the House, that we 546 00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:34,320 Speaker 1: could see some real oversight of what this administration is doing. 547 00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:37,480 Speaker 1: Because they never hesitated bringing you all up before Capitol Hill, 548 00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:40,600 Speaker 1: do you think we could start seeing some real oversight here? 549 00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:43,879 Speaker 1: I'm counting on it, and folks like Jimmy Jordan are 550 00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:46,760 Speaker 1: going to lead it. These are great Americans who are 551 00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:48,560 Speaker 1: going to go work really hard to get answers for 552 00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:50,960 Speaker 1: the American people. I'm convinced they will do good work 553 00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:54,560 Speaker 1: on oversight the administration will resist, they will fight, make 554 00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:57,520 Speaker 1: no mistake about that. But there are lots of important 555 00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:00,520 Speaker 1: things things about how this virus was foisted upon America. 556 00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:02,919 Speaker 1: The list is long. I know they're going to do 557 00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:05,879 Speaker 1: these this oversight work, and I prayed that they do 558 00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:09,560 Speaker 1: it well and just simply present back to the American people. 559 00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:13,880 Speaker 1: That will be sufficient. Absolutely right. We appreciate it, mister Secretary. 560 00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:18,760 Speaker 1: And again, folks, great time to understand the scope of 561 00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:20,680 Speaker 1: nature what we do with the a c LJ. When 562 00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:23,320 Speaker 1: you got Mike Pumpei, a former Secretary State who serves 563 00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:26,280 Speaker 1: as a Senior Council for Global Affairs, Merry Christmas, Mikes, 564 00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:29,760 Speaker 1: you and your family, And I guess I want to 565 00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:32,639 Speaker 1: say this Jordan, for those that are new to hearing 566 00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:35,359 Speaker 1: us in this context, and I'm thrilled to be hosting. 567 00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:38,680 Speaker 1: We're both world to be hosting Sean's program. We have 568 00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:40,880 Speaker 1: people like Mike Pumpey you're gonna hear later from Riquineut 569 00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:42,880 Speaker 1: who's also part of our team. These are these were 570 00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:47,320 Speaker 1: cabinet members of the previous administration serving in leadership capacities 571 00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:49,440 Speaker 1: within the A c l J. Yeah, so it's expanded 572 00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:53,360 Speaker 1: our expertise into a world of obviously the legal world, 573 00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:56,200 Speaker 1: the free speech world, the constitutional rights world, but then 574 00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:59,200 Speaker 1: into the intelligence world, in the world of national security, 575 00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:01,120 Speaker 1: in the world of the Omissy. We have offices all 576 00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:03,960 Speaker 1: around the world. We had them before Secretary Pompeo joined 577 00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:05,960 Speaker 1: the team, but that's because that's why we were a 578 00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:09,400 Speaker 1: good fit for Secretary Pompeo. We have international offices. We 579 00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:12,840 Speaker 1: do work at the United Nations, We work in Pakistan, 580 00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:15,280 Speaker 1: We work in very tough countries. You mentioned our office 581 00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:18,240 Speaker 1: in Israel. We have an office in Pakistan right now 582 00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:23,560 Speaker 1: handling a death penalty is where a young Pakistani Christian Mayo, 583 00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:25,360 Speaker 1: who was a teenager at the time he was in 584 00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:28,240 Speaker 1: prison for blasphemy, has been sentenced to death by hanging. 585 00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:30,960 Speaker 1: And that's that's a case we're we are doing directly. 586 00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:34,200 Speaker 1: We represent that family. We're litigating that one, but we're 587 00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:37,240 Speaker 1: litigating that in Pakistan. We're litigating it also at the 588 00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:40,080 Speaker 1: United Nations, where our European Center for Law Injustice, our 589 00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:43,600 Speaker 1: affiliate has NGEO status that means full status to be 590 00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:47,840 Speaker 1: able to appear before and what they call an intervention 591 00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:51,440 Speaker 1: at the United Nations. So again kind of a unique 592 00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:53,440 Speaker 1: aspect of what we do at the a c l J. 593 00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:55,040 Speaker 1: If you want more information about what we do, we 594 00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:59,080 Speaker 1: encourage you to go to ACLJ dot org. That's ACLJ 595 00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:01,960 Speaker 1: dot organ American Center for lawng Justice website. A lot 596 00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:04,680 Speaker 1: of information there, that's right. 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