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Speaker 1: Mother Knows Death starring Nicole and Jemmy and Maria qk Hi.

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Speaker 2: Everyone Welcome The Mother Knows Death. On today's episode, we

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Speaker 2: will be talking about health updates from celebrities like Teddy

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Speaker 2: Mellencamp and Wendy Williams, horrific deaths involving homemade lemicello, and

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Speaker 2: of course a tragedy that occurred at a birthing center

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Speaker 2: and more. So let's get started with the celebrity news.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's start off with Teddy Mellencamp. So yesterday

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Speaker 1: she kind of shocked all of her Instagram followers because

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Speaker 1: she posted that she had been suffering from these severe

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Speaker 1: headaches for the last couple of months and it was

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Speaker 1: so bad that she required hospitalization on Tuesday, and when

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Speaker 1: they did scans, they found tumors on her brain. I

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Speaker 1: hate to say this, but this is really not good

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Speaker 1: news for her, No, especially really bad. She's been having

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Speaker 1: issues with melanoma for the last couple of years that

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Speaker 1: So she's had a bunch of surgeries, at least sixteen

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Speaker 1: surgeries over the past couple of years to remove all

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Speaker 1: this melanoma from her, which is just you would think

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Speaker 1: that it's kind of shocking because she's only forty three

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Speaker 1: years old. But I mean, Chloe Kardashian was diagnosed with

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Speaker 1: melanoma too. You see it in young people. Sometimes you

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Speaker 1: see it in teenagers. It's really scary. But in the

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Speaker 1: world of pathology, this is a general rule. When you

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Speaker 1: see one tumor in an organ, most of the time

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Speaker 1: that could be a primary cancer that originated in that organ.

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Speaker 1: So if you got a scan don and saw that

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Speaker 1: likely tumor that originated from your love as opposed to

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Speaker 1: and you see multiple tumors in one organ, that usually

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Speaker 1: indicates that it's a metastasis. Now that rule is not

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Speaker 1: set in stone. There are times when different things present

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Speaker 1: in different ways, but for the most part, multiple tumors

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Speaker 1: that the melanoma has spread to her brain. I mean,

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Speaker 1: looks like she had to shave all of her hair

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Speaker 1: off yesterday to get this, which is obviously like the

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Speaker 1: least of her problems at this point. But last night

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Speaker 1: she had to go into emergency surgery to get a

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Speaker 1: couple of the tumors removed, and she said the others

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Speaker 2: So one of the reasons that they are removing the

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Speaker 2: of what it is. Because even though, like I just said,

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Speaker 2: have to look at the tissue under the microscope. And

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Speaker 2: in this case, they'll take one of the tumors out,

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Speaker 2: to see if it is a primary because she didn't

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Speaker 2: say it was cancer, but a primary tumor of the

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Speaker 2: brain versus a metastasis. Now, one of the things that

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Speaker 2: she's been having these debilitating headaches for months. I don't

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Speaker 2: know how often she's getting checked, but I would think

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Speaker 2: So I'm not sure if she just hasn't been to

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Speaker 1: Well, so, she's actually been in quite a scandalous situation

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Speaker 2: To me to think that you're that age and you're

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Speaker 2: I hate to say this, but when you have metastasis

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm curious. It seems like she just got surgery

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Speaker 1: and say. I mean, obviously it's really nobody's business what

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Speaker 1: no it is, it's ours because she's putting it out there,

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Speaker 1: so she needs to finish up. You don't give don't

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Speaker 2: I was That's that's my opinion on it.

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Speaker 1: I will say I was surprised when she showed the

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Speaker 2: Good he's a good person, because it is it's very

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Speaker 2: Like this is a big deal. So, I mean, he's

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Speaker 1: I thought she had a pretty good I don't know

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Speaker 1: get into Wendy Williams. So she's been in the news

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Speaker 1: a lot recently. Back in twenty twenty two, a corp

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Speaker 1: had ordered Wendy to be in this legal guardianship via

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Speaker 1: I guess in their inner this is not clear because

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Speaker 2: I think just what happened to Ricky the other day

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Speaker 2: and well Spargo called him right away and was like,

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Speaker 2: You're talking about people that have millions of dollars in

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Speaker 1: So this is another This is another thing I'm confused about.

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Speaker 1: So I guess in this case in New York, they

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Speaker 2: that she was diagnosed with frontal temporal dementia and alcohol

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Speaker 2: getting is what they're telling you it is. And there's

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Speaker 2: probably been many times that you that you or I

435
00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:34,560
Speaker 2: have ingested food or drink that were not one hundred

436
00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:38,040
Speaker 2: percent sure. Did that fall on the floor? Is that

437
00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:41,280
Speaker 2: really the vodka I ordered? You know what I mean?

438
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Speaker 1: Like, I don't know that. That's just that's just the

439
00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:44,600
Speaker 1: thought I have.

440
00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:48,200
Speaker 2: It's just it's scary because you do ingesting something is

441
00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:51,879
Speaker 2: a vulnerability that you give up to people when you

442
00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:52,359
Speaker 2: go out.

443
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Speaker 1: Well, didn't Lisa paren say this in her book something

444
00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:58,200
Speaker 1: along I'm paraphrasing, but it was something along the lines

445
00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:01,680
Speaker 1: of where like always one step away from being poisoned

446
00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:04,280
Speaker 1: in a sense, like it's just a difference of dosage.

447
00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:06,359
Speaker 1: It's really it's really true.

448
00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:08,920
Speaker 2: I mean, you just it's it's it's like scary, it's

449
00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:10,760
Speaker 2: really terrifying if you think about it.

450
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Speaker 1: Really, No, it is okay. Medical news, this one is horrible.

451
00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:18,919
Speaker 1: In Arizona, this woman went into labor. She was planning

452
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Speaker 1: to have her baby at a birthing center. So at

453
00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:24,159
Speaker 1: forty two weeks she goes to this birthing center and

454
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Speaker 1: she told the midwives that she was in a lot

455
00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:28,720
Speaker 1: of pain and that she wanted to go to the hospital.

456
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Speaker 1: They kept blowing her off, telling her they were because

457
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Speaker 1: she was overreacting because it was her first kid, even

458
00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:35,720
Speaker 1: though her and her husband.

459
00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:39,119
Speaker 2: Kept all shame listen, listen. I honestly that part of

460
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Speaker 2: it I just completely understand, because I don't think that

461
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Speaker 2: a first a person that's in labor for the first time,

462
00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:51,520
Speaker 2: especially a birthing center with no drugs, realizes quite how

463
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Speaker 2: bad it hurts. And when you say you're in a

464
00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:56,639
Speaker 2: lot of pain, like no, shit, like they she didn't

465
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Speaker 2: understand that she was in a lot of pain because

466
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Speaker 2: it was the first time she was having a baby.

467
00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:05,280
Speaker 2: It's not like, well, this was idiot, like you're the

468
00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:09,080
Speaker 2: only problem. No, obviously there was other problems, but the

469
00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:11,800
Speaker 2: pain part of it and getting blown off because she

470
00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:14,720
Speaker 2: was in pain is not a problem to me, because

471
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Speaker 2: every single person that's a known known right.

472
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Speaker 1: Well, after thirty hours in labor, which is so long,

473
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Speaker 1: they finally realized she's having trouble breathing, they call emergency workers,

474
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Speaker 1: they take her to the hospital, and she had to

475
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Speaker 1: have an emergency c section there and then the baby

476
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Speaker 1: didn't make it.

477
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I don't know how I feel about

478
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Speaker 2: these birthing centers because I know a lot of people

479
00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:42,560
Speaker 2: have great experience with them. I personally say, if I

480
00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:46,000
Speaker 2: ever if I had another kid, I probably would have

481
00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:48,080
Speaker 2: just had it at home or squatted by a tree,

482
00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:50,040
Speaker 2: because I would have had better treatment than I had

483
00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:54,119
Speaker 2: at the actual hospital. So I mean, that's my personal experience.

484
00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:59,160
Speaker 2: Everybody's got a bad experience. And listen, like, unfortunately babies die,

485
00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:01,480
Speaker 2: whether it's in a birthing center out of the hospital,

486
00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:03,320
Speaker 2: because I used to work at a hospital and did

487
00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:08,360
Speaker 2: plenty of autopsies of these same exact similar situations where

488
00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:11,200
Speaker 2: the person was in the hospital. So I don't want

489
00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:14,800
Speaker 2: to necessarily give these birthing centers like a bad name

490
00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:17,879
Speaker 2: because of this, because this happens all the time, and

491
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Speaker 2: I don't really know what the circumstances are around it

492
00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:24,040
Speaker 2: because I didn't get to read all of the notes

493
00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:25,240
Speaker 2: and what happened and what.

494
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Speaker 1: Was the cause of death.

495
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Speaker 2: But I do know that there were midwives there who

496
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:34,560
Speaker 2: for those of you who don't know midwives could be.

497
00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:38,160
Speaker 2: They're healthcare professionals and there's all different kinds of levels

498
00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:40,440
Speaker 2: of what they could do, but they're a person that's

499
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Speaker 2: trained to take care of OBGYN patients, So it's more

500
00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:50,560
Speaker 2: of a holistic approach to taking care of a mother,

501
00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:53,520
Speaker 2: especially that's getting ready to give birth and having a

502
00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:57,600
Speaker 2: more comfortable environment, not so clinical in the hospital. There's

503
00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:01,800
Speaker 2: usually not drugs associated with these births, and you know,

504
00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:04,320
Speaker 2: when you're in all this pain, they're supposed to be

505
00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:06,320
Speaker 2: there help you get through it and to calm you

506
00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:09,560
Speaker 2: down and all that stuff. And I mean, honestly, I

507
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:14,600
Speaker 2: gave birth naturally, and although it definitely did suck, really

508
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:17,919
Speaker 2: really bad as far as the pain goes, the second

509
00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:21,560
Speaker 2: the kid comes out, there's this euphoria that comes over

510
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:23,280
Speaker 2: you and you just feel like you just took the

511
00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:26,679
Speaker 2: biggest xanax of your life and you're just chill. It

512
00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:28,879
Speaker 2: doesn't hurt anymore. And I got up and was like,

513
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:30,400
Speaker 2: I have to go to the bathroom, and I went

514
00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:33,480
Speaker 2: to the bathroom within ten minutes of giving birth. And

515
00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:35,680
Speaker 2: sometimes when you get all these drugs and you get

516
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:38,520
Speaker 2: an epidoral and stuff, you can't you can't walk around

517
00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:41,879
Speaker 2: and it just takes longer to recover afterwards like that.

518
00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:47,200
Speaker 2: So I am a fan of the of having birth naturally,

519
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:50,280
Speaker 2: and these midwives help millions of women a year get

520
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:50,639
Speaker 2: through this.

521
00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:53,679
Speaker 1: But well, I don't think the problem is with the

522
00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:57,080
Speaker 1: birthing center in general. I think the problem was they

523
00:27:57,080 --> 00:27:59,960
Speaker 1: did an investigation at this particular place and they found

524
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:03,879
Speaker 1: the midwives there were not necessarily following a good protocol.

525
00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:06,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I don't know what the level of them was.

526
00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:10,160
Speaker 2: So a midwife usually isn't a doctor. They usually work

527
00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:13,200
Speaker 2: along with an obg wyan. But some of them can

528
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:16,119
Speaker 2: be nurses with a master's level. They could even have

529
00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:19,159
Speaker 2: doctorate's actually, so I don't know if it was a

530
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:23,280
Speaker 2: highly trained nurse midwife or just person that was just

531
00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:25,840
Speaker 2: another kind of healthcare professional doing it. I don't know

532
00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:28,040
Speaker 2: what the deal is. But yeah, when they did an

533
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:30,960
Speaker 2: investigation over the court, because this happened a year ago,

534
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:36,080
Speaker 2: that they discovered that they weren't taking the fetal vitals

535
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:38,240
Speaker 2: often enough as they should, and they weren't taking the

536
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:40,560
Speaker 2: mother's vitals as well, like her blood pressure and things

537
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:42,600
Speaker 2: like that. I think they said they were supposed to

538
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:45,800
Speaker 2: do it every fifteen minutes or whatever it was, and

539
00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:49,520
Speaker 2: they weren't following the protocol with that. So I mean

540
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:51,560
Speaker 2: this could have I don't, like I said, I don't

541
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:54,480
Speaker 2: really know what the pathology involved was, but this could

542
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:56,880
Speaker 2: have been really bad and they could have lost her

543
00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:58,160
Speaker 2: as well.

544
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so they said one of them wives was fined

545
00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:04,080
Speaker 1: nine thousand dollars, but if she paid that fine within

546
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:06,640
Speaker 1: ten days, she only had to pay two hundred of

547
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:09,640
Speaker 1: the nine thousand dollars, which I think is just further

548
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:10,800
Speaker 1: pissing people off.

549
00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:13,800
Speaker 2: But I wonder, though, how do you know if you're

550
00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:17,000
Speaker 2: a so that is that place seems like it's still open,

551
00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:19,240
Speaker 2: right if you're and you don't know about this story.

552
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:22,600
Speaker 2: So say you're a person that's looking into doing this,

553
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:27,360
Speaker 2: how do you find out that there was this event there?

554
00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:31,960
Speaker 1: Well, I guess because this happened in late twenty twenty three,

555
00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:36,360
Speaker 1: So I want to say they filed the complaint against

556
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:39,200
Speaker 1: them pretty shortly after. And I think if you just

557
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:42,040
Speaker 1: google the name of the facility, it's gonna come up.

558
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:46,840
Speaker 2: I don't know too much about the whole Obgyn situation.

559
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:48,960
Speaker 2: I actually have a friend that I should have texted

560
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:53,440
Speaker 2: prior to this, but I'm pretty sure that she's saying

561
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:55,640
Speaker 2: she was forty two weeks. I'm pretty sure that they

562
00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:59,160
Speaker 2: don't want you going that much further over your due

563
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:02,040
Speaker 2: date because of increase risk of complications. So I was

564
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:05,800
Speaker 2: that was kind of striking to me in the beginning

565
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:08,200
Speaker 2: that they that they did that, but that might not

566
00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:12,200
Speaker 2: be a thing. That's just something that I've personally experienced,

567
00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:14,640
Speaker 2: like if I was due and didn't have that because

568
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:17,680
Speaker 2: I went over with you and with the two other

569
00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:21,440
Speaker 2: my two other daughters, and every time it was just

570
00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:23,880
Speaker 2: like your due date happens, and if that baby doesn't

571
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:27,040
Speaker 2: come by forty one weeks, like your schedule to come

572
00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:29,800
Speaker 2: in that day. And I was always told that it

573
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Speaker 2: was because there was just an increased risk of complications.

574
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Speaker 1: But maybe.

575
00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:38,280
Speaker 2: I could text my friend and ask her if that's true,

576
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:42,479
Speaker 2: Like I said, I mean, you do want to know

577
00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:45,200
Speaker 2: that this happened, but you can't be naive to think

578
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:46,800
Speaker 2: that this just doesn't happen.

579
00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:49,720
Speaker 1: Though, no, you definitely get I think. I think the

580
00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:53,760
Speaker 1: bottom line is, like you're you know, one of your

581
00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:57,040
Speaker 1: best friends died what we consider a really good hospital

582
00:30:57,120 --> 00:31:01,120
Speaker 1: right due to like a freak thing. So I think

583
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:02,080
Speaker 1: in it was.

584
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:04,239
Speaker 2: It was it wasn't really a freak thing, though it

585
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:07,760
Speaker 2: was a hand a handful of negligent things that ended

586
00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:11,440
Speaker 2: up being that caused her to die. It's not like

587
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:15,040
Speaker 2: it was a medical reason. It was just a handful

588
00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:19,440
Speaker 2: of missed things and and and not following protocols and

589
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:19,920
Speaker 2: things like.

590
00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:21,240
Speaker 1: That that caused her to die.

591
00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:25,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, So it's a terrible thing for anyone, your friends,

592
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:28,760
Speaker 2: your family, the people going through it. The whole entire

593
00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:30,920
Speaker 2: thing is just a terrible thing for all involved to

594
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:31,680
Speaker 2: have to go through.

595
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:36,760
Speaker 1: I just think before giving birth, and obviously sometimes you're

596
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:39,440
Speaker 1: in like a situation where you just you know, you

597
00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:41,520
Speaker 1: have to give birth in a Krispy Kream parking lot,

598
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:41,960
Speaker 1: or like.

599
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:45,240
Speaker 2: Your you had to name your baby Glaze.

600
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:47,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, like or you just have to you know, you

601
00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:50,400
Speaker 1: don't have control. But if you're planning on giving birth

602
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:52,760
Speaker 1: at a specific place, it is certainly up to you

603
00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:55,400
Speaker 1: as the patient to do as much research as possible

604
00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:58,720
Speaker 1: and look into it before you commit to that. And obviously,

605
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:02,240
Speaker 1: like bad happen sometimes, but you got to look into

606
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:06,719
Speaker 1: the reasons why, and that's what matters the most. So

607
00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:09,560
Speaker 1: this is just like really sad and you obviously don't

608
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:12,320
Speaker 1: want anybody going through this, but hopefully it just doesn't

609
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:16,480
Speaker 1: happen again. I Mean, another thing, unfortunately is I've seen

610
00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:19,120
Speaker 1: with all the autopsies that I've done in situations like

611
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:22,120
Speaker 1: that that you could just look over it in hindsight

612
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:24,000
Speaker 1: and say they should have done this, they should have

613
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:28,160
Speaker 1: done this, This wouldn't have happened. I mean, how terrible

614
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:30,600
Speaker 1: is it that you go into the hospital to give

615
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:33,680
Speaker 1: birth and your fetus is alive and then you leave

616
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:35,080
Speaker 1: with the baby.

617
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:39,560
Speaker 2: Not coming home with you. It's just it's so unacceptable.

618
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:42,440
Speaker 2: And if it's the same thing we could talk about

619
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:45,959
Speaker 2: though with plane accidents. It's just like you have so

620
00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:49,360
Speaker 2: many flights every single day and there's a plane accident

621
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:52,760
Speaker 2: and then everybody gets scared of it. Well, there's millions

622
00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:55,280
Speaker 2: and millions of babies being born every day and not

623
00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:58,120
Speaker 2: and then when you hear of one death, it scares

624
00:32:58,120 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 2: the shit out of you. But like it's just not

625
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:00,480
Speaker 2: that common.

626
00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:05,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right. We have some church controversy, So the

627
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:08,320
Speaker 1: Church of England has ruled that non alcoholic wine and

628
00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:11,640
Speaker 1: gluten free bread cannot be used during Holy Communion anymore.

629
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Speaker 2: This is the one story that's going to make me

630
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:19,640
Speaker 2: go on a rant about my feelings about the religion,

631
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:24,720
Speaker 2: and specifically the Catholic religion. A lot of people ask

632
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:27,440
Speaker 2: me all the time, what religion are you and I

633
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:30,320
Speaker 2: just kind of stay out of it. But I'm like,

634
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:32,440
Speaker 2: this is the time to speak up about this and

635
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:37,440
Speaker 2: why I got so burned by Catholicism and because I

636
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:40,160
Speaker 2: think that I think that there's a lot of hypocrisy

637
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:45,120
Speaker 2: in it and it really just it really it really

638
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:46,920
Speaker 2: drives me nuts and I don't want to be a

639
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:47,480
Speaker 2: part of it.

640
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:48,680
Speaker 1: Like this.

641
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:53,960
Speaker 2: There's been priests, right that were molesting children and sent

642
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:58,480
Speaker 2: to other churches so they could just skate free and

643
00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:00,720
Speaker 2: get out of it, and then they were allowed to

644
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 2: take communion at their new jobs. Right, But you're not

645
00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:08,239
Speaker 2: letting people who eat gluten or don't eat gluten and

646
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:11,080
Speaker 2: don't want to drink alcohol do it. It just seems

647
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:14,200
Speaker 2: it seems so outrageous, you know what I mean?

648
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:19,359
Speaker 1: Well, it is because I just think it's bullshit, because like,

649
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:22,160
Speaker 1: if you, if you really want to boil it down,

650
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:26,760
Speaker 1: it should be fucking blood of a human and flesh

651
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:29,960
Speaker 1: of a human, not a not a rice cracker and

652
00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 1: wine right, so like who it.

653
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:35,640
Speaker 2: Says it needs to be made of wheat flour and

654
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:39,800
Speaker 2: the wine must be fermented grape juice. I just think, listen,

655
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:43,480
Speaker 2: you know how I told you I follow this Orthodox

656
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:46,319
Speaker 2: Jew influencer. You don't know, I don't know what her

657
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:50,480
Speaker 2: name is, but she's she's awesome and she answers questions

658
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:53,359
Speaker 2: like this. One of the things I love about her

659
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:58,520
Speaker 2: religion is that they can just make exceptions for things

660
00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:02,960
Speaker 2: that are practical in a lot of situations. So, for example,

661
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:06,399
Speaker 2: I feel like if you brought this up and said, hey,

662
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:09,840
Speaker 2: we I know they don't do communion and stuff, but

663
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:12,040
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, for an example, like if you brought

664
00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:15,359
Speaker 2: this up, they would say, Okay, well, we want everybody

665
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:19,120
Speaker 2: to have the wheat flour and the fermented grape juice,

666
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:21,880
Speaker 2: but in the exception of a person that's having a

667
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:26,960
Speaker 2: health issue, we'll make exceptions for that. That it seems

668
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:29,360
Speaker 2: like they do that in a lot of situations because

669
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:33,319
Speaker 2: they ultimately want people to live their best life and

670
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:37,080
Speaker 2: to be healthy while doing it right. What is the

671
00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:42,560
Speaker 2: problem you have children that can't have gluten? I mean,

672
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:48,920
Speaker 2: it just it just sounds so ridiculous. And I don't know,

673
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:51,560
Speaker 2: I mean, and my whole I have a whole bias

674
00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:53,720
Speaker 2: because and this is what I'm going to tell you guys,

675
00:35:54,160 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 2: my story. So I was I was going to Catholics

676
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:03,360
Speaker 2: school in ninth grade when I got pregnant with Maria,

677
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:07,720
Speaker 2: right and I got pregnant with her, and they told

678
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:11,200
Speaker 2: and Maria's dad also went to high school with me

679
00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:14,120
Speaker 2: and was in my grade. They told my mother that

680
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:17,440
Speaker 2: I couldn't. I was not allowed to get an abortion

681
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:20,120
Speaker 2: because that went against the Catholic Church. But I wasn't

682
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:23,520
Speaker 2: allowed to stay in school being pregnant. But Maria's dad

683
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:25,840
Speaker 2: was allowed to stay in school. I wasn't, So I

684
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:28,520
Speaker 2: got essentially kicked out of school in ninth grade. He

685
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:32,080
Speaker 2: graduated from He graduated from there too, exactly, which is

686
00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:34,960
Speaker 2: awesome because he had no involvement and it was just

687
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:39,000
Speaker 2: my problem. So I got kicked out of school. And

688
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:43,440
Speaker 2: then when we went to baptize Maria, it was this

689
00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:47,520
Speaker 2: huge thing. They wouldn't let us baptize her in church

690
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:50,400
Speaker 2: because they thought that that would be inappropriate, so we

691
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:54,440
Speaker 2: had to go baptize her in the rectory behind closed doors.

692
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:57,560
Speaker 2: And that was when my mom was finally like, fuck

693
00:36:57,640 --> 00:36:59,680
Speaker 2: this religion. I'm over it, because we used to go

694
00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:02,520
Speaker 2: to church every week and good members of the church

695
00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:04,319
Speaker 2: and everything like that, and I think that my mom,

696
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:08,279
Speaker 2: just my mom finally was like, Okay, I've had enough

697
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:10,719
Speaker 2: here because of the way that we got treated in

698
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:15,719
Speaker 2: that situation. And you would think that you have a

699
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:19,759
Speaker 2: child that I was fifteen years old, that had an

700
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:23,880
Speaker 2: unfortunate situation fall upon me, that they would be supportive

701
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:26,759
Speaker 2: because I was choosing life for my child, which is

702
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:30,680
Speaker 2: what they want, right, but not at all, not helping

703
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:33,040
Speaker 2: at all, not I don't know the whole thing. I

704
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:37,640
Speaker 2: just kind of been like over Catholicism since since you

705
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:40,760
Speaker 2: basically but what.

706
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:44,399
Speaker 1: No, I just I also find it hypocritical that they

707
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:47,399
Speaker 1: find it problematic that a fifteen year old gives birth

708
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:50,200
Speaker 1: to a kid, but they got no problem sexualizing children

709
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:53,400
Speaker 1: over and over and over again and not punishing the

710
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:54,319
Speaker 1: offenders for it.

711
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:57,279
Speaker 2: So yeah, which is interesting because that was all going

712
00:37:57,360 --> 00:38:00,160
Speaker 2: down around the same time. So just all of that

713
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:04,280
Speaker 2: and it's just whatever, Like, if you do it, that's fine.

714
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:07,680
Speaker 2: I don't care what religion people are. I'm interested in

715
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:13,600
Speaker 2: learning about it. I still love Catholicism for its uh.

716
00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:16,279
Speaker 2: I Like I love the way churches look, and I

717
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:18,719
Speaker 2: love the art, and I love I love a lot

718
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:21,040
Speaker 2: of the history behind it. But at the same time,

719
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:24,040
Speaker 2: it's just the rules. And this one just triggered me

720
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:27,759
Speaker 2: today when I read it, that just it's just like,

721
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:30,640
Speaker 2: why are you standing firm on this right now? It's

722
00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:31,440
Speaker 2: just weird.

723
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:35,680
Speaker 1: I think church is like a really awesome community that

724
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:39,279
Speaker 1: I find hard to mimic in other type of environments.

725
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:42,319
Speaker 1: You know, you have a set day, everybody goes. They

726
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:44,120
Speaker 1: most people, if you go to the same place, know

727
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:47,640
Speaker 1: each other, and most people are also really willing to

728
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:49,960
Speaker 1: help each other out when you're in need, but you

729
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:53,319
Speaker 1: know they're just is constant hypocrisy. I often find that

730
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:56,320
Speaker 1: the most Christian people I know.

731
00:38:56,400 --> 00:39:01,560
Speaker 2: Are they're the worst. Exactly. It's it's you're you're one

732
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:03,840
Speaker 2: hundred percent right, And I could give you real world

733
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:05,240
Speaker 2: examples of that happening.

734
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:08,200
Speaker 1: So and that's not everybody, but I'm just saying I

735
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:11,080
Speaker 1: have often found that the people that are the most

736
00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:14,320
Speaker 1: religious are truly terrible people.

737
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:19,280
Speaker 2: Yes, so I agree, no values at all, so whatever.

738
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:22,400
Speaker 2: I didn't want to get into this whole like anti

739
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:25,799
Speaker 2: religion thing, Like listen, my closest family members go to

740
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:29,799
Speaker 2: church every Sunday and they're all up in it. But

741
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:32,000
Speaker 2: I just for me, I was kind of like, yet, no,

742
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:34,840
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't really, I don't really find the

743
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:36,160
Speaker 2: need in my life for that.

744
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:39,719
Speaker 1: So I do problem with religion. You know.

745
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:42,840
Speaker 2: It does suck, though, because I do like the idea

746
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:49,080
Speaker 2: of a like a community of having, you know, people

747
00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 2: that you want your children around, that they're all they're

748
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:56,480
Speaker 2: all kind of on the same wavelength as far as well,

749
00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:00,600
Speaker 2: I mean they're supposed to be, as far as and

750
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:05,080
Speaker 2: rules and things like that. I mean, the culture of

751
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:07,640
Speaker 2: it and the group of it is a nice thing

752
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:11,440
Speaker 2: that I would like, but I just can't do certain

753
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:12,680
Speaker 2: aspects of it like that.

754
00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:16,080
Speaker 1: No, all right, let's move on to questions of the day.

755
00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:18,760
Speaker 1: Every Friday on the at mother Nose Death Instagram account,

756
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:20,600
Speaker 1: we put up a question box and you guys could

757
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 1: ask us whatever you want. First, what are some common

758
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:26,520
Speaker 1: mistakes you see on celebrity autopsy reports.

759
00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:34,840
Speaker 2: Oh, that's a good one. I see labeling errors, which

760
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:38,160
Speaker 2: is because sometimes with the autopsy reports you also get

761
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:40,799
Speaker 2: other reports toxicology and stuff like that. And there's been

762
00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:43,360
Speaker 2: times where I see the wrong date of birth, the

763
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:46,239
Speaker 2: wrong name, the wrong body site, and things like that,

764
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:49,360
Speaker 2: which is a huge problem. But that happens in the

765
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:51,160
Speaker 2: real world too, so I guess I'm glad to see

766
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:56,040
Speaker 2: it happens with celebrities too a lot of times too.

767
00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:57,960
Speaker 2: I don't know if I've ever talked about this, but

768
00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:01,200
Speaker 2: when we do an autopsy, sometimes people have a template,

769
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:05,160
Speaker 2: which is it just basically goes through every single body

770
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:09,239
Speaker 2: system and it'll say GI system and then it'll say

771
00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:12,719
Speaker 2: large bell, small bell, appendix s gallbladder, and it has

772
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:15,040
Speaker 2: this pre written stuff in it, which when you go

773
00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:18,400
Speaker 2: through the autopsy, you should change every single thing on

774
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:22,200
Speaker 2: there to fit the autopsy that you just did. So

775
00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:25,000
Speaker 2: sometimes the standard autopsy and this is this is a

776
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:28,000
Speaker 2: simple mistake that's done commonly, which is why I'm kind

777
00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:31,600
Speaker 2: of anti template. But a common one is it'll say, oh,

778
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:35,600
Speaker 2: the appendix is present and it's unremarkable, and you know

779
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:39,360
Speaker 2: there's no pathology scene. But then you learn from the

780
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:42,440
Speaker 2: patient that you were examining they actually had an ependectomy.

781
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:47,319
Speaker 2: So imagine your child dies or your husband dies, and

782
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:50,160
Speaker 2: you get the autopsy report knowing that your husband had

783
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:53,839
Speaker 2: his appendix removed and it's saying that his appendix was fine, Well,

784
00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:56,160
Speaker 2: how do you trust the rest of the autopsy report

785
00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:58,439
Speaker 2: if they got that wrong, because they should have looked

786
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:02,040
Speaker 2: to make sure it was missing. And that's like simple

787
00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:04,920
Speaker 2: mistakes like that and a lot of it too. Is

788
00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:07,279
Speaker 2: is just this thing I talk about all the time

789
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:11,680
Speaker 2: with celebrity autopsies, is that they just don't follow protocol

790
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:14,839
Speaker 2: one hundred percent all the time because they're famous, and

791
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:17,279
Speaker 2: and that's how things can get messed up sometimes.

792
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:21,120
Speaker 1: All right, have you ever thought about milling your own

793
00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:25,120
Speaker 1: wheat to help with gluten intolerance? I was just talking

794
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:27,759
Speaker 1: to somebody about this at an engagement party a couple

795
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:31,720
Speaker 1: of weeks ago. Actually, But here's the thing.

796
00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:35,120
Speaker 2: I am, how does how does that help it?

797
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:37,839
Speaker 1: Because it's like all organic and you have like full

798
00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:40,640
Speaker 1: control of the soil and everything like that. I guess,

799
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:43,080
Speaker 1: So you'd have to you'd have to actually grow it

800
00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:47,560
Speaker 1: and everything. Yeah, here's the thing. I am interested, But

801
00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:51,759
Speaker 1: like I have very small, very small property, and I

802
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:55,920
Speaker 1: just can't see my little tidy backyard growing wheat and

803
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:59,799
Speaker 1: then like having any space to process it at all.

804
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:04,439
Speaker 1: So probably not for me right now. I don't think

805
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:08,520
Speaker 1: she's saying growing it though, like milling, like that's getting

806
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:13,160
Speaker 1: the grain and doing it yourself, I guess. But don't

807
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:15,760
Speaker 1: you think you're more in control if you're actually growing

808
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:18,400
Speaker 1: it yourself and then doing it. I don't know.

809
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:21,239
Speaker 2: I would, I wouldn't do any of it. There's there's

810
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:24,600
Speaker 2: different kinds of flowers. I don't have a problem actually

811
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:27,440
Speaker 2: with gluten free at all. When I cook, I cook

812
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:31,240
Speaker 2: for my entire family gluten free all the time. I don't.

813
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:33,640
Speaker 1: The only flower I have in my house is like

814
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:36,000
Speaker 1: goldfish crackers and stuff that.

815
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:39,400
Speaker 2: My kids want. Sometimes. I don't use it ever in baking,

816
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:44,080
Speaker 2: cooking or anything, and I think my stuff tastes good.

817
00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:47,160
Speaker 2: I'm making pizza tonight. The last crust I made was banging.

818
00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:50,279
Speaker 2: The only problem I have with gluten free stuff is

819
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:54,279
Speaker 2: when I go out, it's terrible. Well, I mean at home.

820
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:57,120
Speaker 1: At home, it's fine, all the flowers and everything. Yeah,

821
00:43:57,160 --> 00:43:59,160
Speaker 1: when you make your own stuff, it's totally fine. But

822
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:01,439
Speaker 1: I agree with you. When you're out, it's horrible. And

823
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:04,719
Speaker 1: the things I really think are hard to mimic is

824
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:12,320
Speaker 1: donuts and begels, which donuts begels and like really philly

825
00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:15,040
Speaker 1: soft pretzels is one that just I want so bad

826
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:19,680
Speaker 1: and I love that place around. It's okay, but it's not.

827
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:24,880
Speaker 2: It doesn't have the same consistency, and that's part of

828
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:27,640
Speaker 2: the deliciousness of it. And I've never tried to make

829
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:28,400
Speaker 2: them myself.

830
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:31,680
Speaker 1: And Annie Anne's pretzel those are so good and it's

831
00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:33,200
Speaker 1: torturous at them all when you.

832
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:37,560
Speaker 2: Smell them, or cinnabony cinna freaking torture all that.

833
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:40,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, But I will say I have not tried to

834
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:42,960
Speaker 1: make my own begels or pretzels or anything. But I

835
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:45,319
Speaker 1: have made my own glute and free cinnamon rolls, and

836
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:48,399
Speaker 1: you can make those pretty good. And that bakery near

837
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:53,359
Speaker 1: us also makes pretty good cinnamon rolls, you know the

838
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:58,400
Speaker 1: one in the one in Oakland. Oh, yeah, that place

839
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:00,919
Speaker 1: is pretty good. Yeah, that place is really so.

840
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:04,959
Speaker 2: Ours not good. I business itself not good.

841
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:07,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, that that's I will say. Her bake goods are

842
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:10,920
Speaker 1: pretty delicious, like most of the ones. Yeah, that pretty

843
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:11,400
Speaker 1: much everything.

844
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:13,799
Speaker 2: Her zones are good and stuff. You know what, I'm

845
00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:16,239
Speaker 2: gonna ask Lynn to try to make us Philly soft

846
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:19,719
Speaker 2: pretzels because she's the ultimate gluten fie breaker. But she

847
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:21,960
Speaker 2: will never open a business. But it's nice to have

848
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:25,040
Speaker 2: a person that's like, really good at it and willing

849
00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:26,280
Speaker 2: to try different things.

850
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:28,400
Speaker 1: So I'll ask her and she may be the best

851
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:31,360
Speaker 1: wedding cake of all time. That was so delicious.

852
00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:35,920
Speaker 2: No, remember at your wedding that somebody So Maria had

853
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:40,560
Speaker 2: a canoli cake for her wedding, and somebody so the

854
00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:43,040
Speaker 2: way that Lynn Lynn is one of our friends and

855
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:46,480
Speaker 2: she's also has Celiac, so she bakes really amazing things

856
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:51,720
Speaker 2: with a canoli cake. She had like little canolis around

857
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:56,000
Speaker 2: the bottom of the cake. And before Maria and Ricky

858
00:45:56,120 --> 00:45:58,319
Speaker 2: cut the cake and did the whole smash in your

859
00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:02,120
Speaker 2: face thing, someone ate the canolis off of the cake

860
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:05,680
Speaker 2: at the wedding and we couldn't believe it, and we

861
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:06,560
Speaker 2: have no idea.

862
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:06,840
Speaker 1: Who it was.

863
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:09,279
Speaker 2: So of course, who's the first person we thought that

864
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:12,759
Speaker 2: did it was Pop Up and we go up to

865
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:15,480
Speaker 2: him and we're like, Dad, you didn't like pick the

866
00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:17,520
Speaker 2: canolis off? You know what I just thought of? It

867
00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:18,720
Speaker 2: was probably fucking Gabe.

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Speaker 1: That's a gay.

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Speaker 2: He does that shit. Like I'll put something out and

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Speaker 2: then all of a sudden I see his like teethmarks

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Speaker 2: in something that he shouldn't be eating right away because

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Speaker 2: it's like not ready yet, or like I bring my

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Speaker 2: lunch over and fast up to that because that shit's

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Speaker 2: been bothering me, Like I'm mad about it. It's kind

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Speaker 2: of funny in hindsight, but I'm like.

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Speaker 1: Who did it.

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Speaker 2: It's it's like, that's like the main attraction is the

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Speaker 2: wedding cake in the center of the pictures.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's kind of weird. There's another there's another story

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00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:51,520
Speaker 1: too from my wedding. Another mystery where you know my

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Speaker 1: dearest Kane cousin, Devin Kane said she got in a

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Speaker 1: fight with somebody at the wedding and she has no

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Speaker 1: idea who it was, and she is the person in

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Speaker 1: the world. Wait what she said? She was arguing with

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Speaker 1: somebody and I'm like, well, who wasn't She doesn't look

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Speaker 1: like she doesn't remember what. So it's this great mystery.

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Speaker 1: Who did Devin yeller the wedding? I'm still I still

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Speaker 1: don't know.

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Speaker 2: I know who it was.

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Speaker 1: I won't say here tell you all. I'll tell you

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Speaker 1: all air All right. Last question. Does Maria do all

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Speaker 1: the graphic designing for the podcast, advertisements, media, et cetera.

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Speaker 1: In a way like our artwork on our website, I

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Speaker 1: did not do. We had a really awesome design graphic

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Speaker 1: designer Amanda do them, and then the skulls on the

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Speaker 1: banner were done by the chick that made the banners.

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Speaker 1: But I did the podcast cover artwork of course, we

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Speaker 1: got professional photos taken and then I turned it into

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Speaker 1: the cover artwork and then yeah, I'll do like if

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Speaker 1: we when we do ads with crime con and stuff,

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Speaker 1: I do that. I do all your presentation stuff like that. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so it's not really exciting.

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Speaker 2: I don't really, I do not say I have no

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Speaker 2: idea how to even whatever she does. Actually, the little

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Speaker 2: girls know how to do more on those programs than

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Speaker 2: I do.

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Speaker 1: Well, I do. You know, I do have this expensive

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00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:23,319
Speaker 1: art degree that I'm not really using elsewhere, so I

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00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:26,520
Speaker 1: guess I should use it in some capacity. But you know,

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Speaker 1: I can't really draw, so I can put things together

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Speaker 1: I think in a decent way. But it's not the

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Speaker 1: most professional. But it works, so it is what it is,

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Speaker 2: Thank you for listening to Mother Knows Death. As a reminder,

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Speaker 2: my training is as a pathologist assistant. I have a

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Speaker 2: master's level education and specialize in anatomy and pathology. Education.

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Speaker 2: or treated anyone dead or alive without the assistance of

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Speaker 2: a licensed medical doctor. This show, my website, and social

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Speaker 2: media accounts are designed to educate and inform people based

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Speaker 2: on my experience working in pathology, so they can make

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Speaker 2: healthier decisions regarding their life and well being. Always remember

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Speaker 2: in this episode are based on my knowledge of those

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Speaker 2: subjects at the time of publication. If you are having

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Speaker 2: care center, emergency room, or hospital.

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