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Speaker 1: Hi, everyone, Sophia Bush here. Welcome to Work in Progress,

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Speaker 1: where I talk to people who inspire me about how

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Speaker 1: they got to where they are and where they think

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Speaker 1: they're still going today. On Work in Progress, I am

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Speaker 1: ecstatic to share my conversation with one of the most

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Speaker 1: amazing women that I have come to know. She is

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Speaker 1: massively talented, incredibly principled, and very open about being on

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Speaker 1: an ever evolving journey. Today's guest is Mms Natalie Portman.

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Speaker 1: Natalie is known worldwide as an Academy Award winning actress, director, producer,

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Speaker 1: and activist. Born in Israel, she immigrated to the US

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Speaker 1: with her parents at the age of three and began

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Speaker 1: auditioning when her family moved to New York. After her

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Speaker 1: debut in Leah on the Professional at age twelve, Natalie

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Speaker 1: has gone on to star in over forty films. But

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Speaker 1: Natalie's far more than a talented and successful actress. She's

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Speaker 1: used her platform for extensive advocacy and activism, championing causes

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Speaker 1: like Time's Up and Me Too, animal rights, protecting the environment,

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Speaker 1: all impressive enough, Natalie recently published Natalie Portman's Book of Fables,

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Speaker 1: which retails classic children's fables in a more modern and

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Speaker 1: representative light. This woman can truly do it all. In

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Speaker 1: my conversation with Natalie, we discussed the experience learning to

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Speaker 1: act by acting, what it's like to go to college

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Speaker 1: when you're already a movie star, and the unfortunate observation

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Speaker 1: that the world tends to undervalue professions and skills that

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Speaker 1: are stereotypically female. Natalie also shares how she faces the

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Speaker 1: challenge of being a working mom while still making causes

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Speaker 1: for the time she cares about, and we also get

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Speaker 1: into our mutual involvement in the Angel City FC, the

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Speaker 1: National Women's soccer League franchise of which Natalie is a founder.

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Speaker 1: This conversation was enlightening, fun, and Natalie is a true

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Speaker 1: gem of a human enjoy This has been such a

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Speaker 1: strange year, you know, and and all all of the

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Speaker 1: years of this administration, and and what has simultaneously opened

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Speaker 1: up I think in society during this time has been intense.

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Speaker 1: And then the last year being in the middle of

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Speaker 1: and in terms of caring for people, it is a lot.

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Speaker 1: And I wonder how has that experience been for you?

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Speaker 1: You know, you have a family. How are you guys

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Speaker 1: do doing in the middle of of a global pandemic? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I think it's um absolutely a time that makes you

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Speaker 1: reassess so much of your values and beliefs and of

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Speaker 1: course your lifestyle because it has such a real tangible

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Speaker 1: effect on all of us, UM and brings you closer

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Speaker 1: to people and the fact that you're sharing this experience,

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Speaker 1: you know, I I keep thinking to myself so much.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe this is strange, but my you know,

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Speaker 1: I grew up so much on stories of like my

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Speaker 1: family's experience in the Holocaust and in like the oppression

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Speaker 1: of Europe for Jews. UM. And I kept being like, obviously,

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Speaker 1: this is an extremely different situation, but is there something

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Speaker 1: different about it being like a universal, difficult yeah experience

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Speaker 1: versus like you're targeted because you're in a specific community. Um,

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Speaker 1: and then other people are just like living their lives.

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Speaker 1: Because right now I feel like it's something that almost um,

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Speaker 1: But you also are like, we're all doing this, how

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Speaker 1: how can we take good energy from people? How can

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Speaker 1: we give good energy to people? And and it's it's

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Speaker 1: definitely an interesting thing to have like everyone suffering at once.

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Speaker 1: You know that there's like, uh, an unusual kind of

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Speaker 1: medical community, there's this incredible sort of feeling a phenomenon

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Speaker 1: and and that's the thing that's amazing is that you

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Speaker 1: and healthcare how you know, obviously we haven't prioritized it

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Speaker 1: now it's it's a reality to people that like it

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Speaker 1: how your neighbor's health and your lifestyle if your neighbor

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Speaker 1: has poor health. So like it's it's everybody. We need

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Speaker 1: community solutions for all of this, I wonder, and I

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Speaker 1: think a lot about my parents immigration stories and this

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Speaker 1: wonder for you being born in Israel and then coming

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Speaker 1: what gives you that awareness and that kind of empathy

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Speaker 1: for the world. Well, I I'm sure it has an

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Speaker 1: much when you see people like donating to disaster relief

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Speaker 1: or like you see just like global community coming together

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Speaker 1: it had an impact on me and certainly, UM, I

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Speaker 1: I often feel like it's because they're experiencing it in

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Speaker 1: started working when I was like ten years old, in

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Speaker 1: of big job to get did you because you started

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Speaker 1: you feel like you were learning in real time on sets?

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Speaker 1: I was definitely learning as I worked, which I think

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Speaker 1: just happening, like access to watching people who are really

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Speaker 1: letter from the Female farm Workers Union. There was really

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Speaker 1: a call to action to honor that women experience oppression

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00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:26,399
Speaker 1: and discrimination and harassment and assault at every end of

433
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Speaker 1: the spectrum and in the space between. And you have

434
00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:34,800
Speaker 1: been such a champion for Time's Up and such an

435
00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:40,600
Speaker 1: incredible leader and something. Yeah, I'm always like that, that girl,

436
00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:45,000
Speaker 1: But there was a lot of I've been I've been

437
00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:49,480
Speaker 1: like so just like bolstered by seeing like hundreds of

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00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:53,000
Speaker 1: women who I'm just like at every turn there's someone

439
00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:57,320
Speaker 1: incredible who has completely changed the way I framed the

440
00:28:57,320 --> 00:28:59,880
Speaker 1: world and see the world by the things they say

441
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:03,880
Speaker 1: himself included, um, and I'm I don't know, it's it

442
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:07,680
Speaker 1: is it is like a new feeling of community, um

443
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:13,120
Speaker 1: that I've found in my life, um unexpectedly, like you know,

444
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:16,360
Speaker 1: as an adult, you don't really expect to like make

445
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:20,240
Speaker 1: new friends by new communities and um and and it's

446
00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:25,280
Speaker 1: really been an incredible, like life changer. Yeah, I've found

447
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:30,960
Speaker 1: that the community I cherish most really has come from

448
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:35,080
Speaker 1: being in spaces doing work like this. You know, I

449
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:36,640
Speaker 1: have a couple of friends I grew up with who

450
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:40,080
Speaker 1: I adore and like my god, will take each other's

451
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:44,000
Speaker 1: embarrassing stories and photos to the grave. But there there

452
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:47,840
Speaker 1: has really been you know a sense of establishing a

453
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:53,480
Speaker 1: place and roots in in the earth and in society

454
00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:56,719
Speaker 1: out of for me that I've found out of the

455
00:29:57,200 --> 00:30:02,800
Speaker 1: friends I've made doing advocacy work. Yeah. No, absolutely, there's

456
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:08,680
Speaker 1: such a sense of um inspiration and like purpose um

457
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:13,280
Speaker 1: by getting to see people committed to really just like

458
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:18,520
Speaker 1: helping people and doing good and doing it together and

459
00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:21,680
Speaker 1: working together and also modeling like the kind of people

460
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:25,040
Speaker 1: the kind of person I want to be. Like I

461
00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:27,520
Speaker 1: look around when I'm like I don't know what I

462
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:29,560
Speaker 1: should do or what am I doing with my life,

463
00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:31,880
Speaker 1: and I'll look to my right and my left and

464
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:36,640
Speaker 1: like you know, see these incredible, incredible people doing incredible things,

465
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:39,320
Speaker 1: and I'm like, Okay, I'm gonna just like follow that

466
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:42,360
Speaker 1: right now while I need like, you know, some guidance

467
00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:45,479
Speaker 1: and I'm going to like go there and this makes sense,

468
00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:49,480
Speaker 1: and um, oh that's possible, Like even just seeing what's possible,

469
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:54,040
Speaker 1: I think, um, by seeing like how much people can

470
00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:57,480
Speaker 1: take on to like so many of the actresses I've

471
00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:03,960
Speaker 1: met through Times Up, actresses and directors and producers and

472
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:10,920
Speaker 1: entrepreneurs and writers and activists and like organized, um, you know,

473
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:14,960
Speaker 1: organized so many of these movements that we've we've seen

474
00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:19,160
Speaker 1: in our mothers and you know, like and you're just like, oh,

475
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:22,960
Speaker 1: it's possible. Like I think that's that's extraordinary and and

476
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:27,040
Speaker 1: so helpful just too when you see someone doing it. Yeah,

477
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:31,000
Speaker 1: I feel that too, And it reminds me that if

478
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:34,920
Speaker 1: we do it, you know, in consort with each other,

479
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:37,280
Speaker 1: it's more of a relay and we can pass more

480
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:42,400
Speaker 1: batons around to accomplish more. And that that's been a

481
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:47,720
Speaker 1: really inspiring, you know kind of learning by doing. I'm curious,

482
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:52,240
Speaker 1: you know when you think about Time's Up, because I

483
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:56,400
Speaker 1: had my own versions of this experience where sure there

484
00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:59,120
Speaker 1: were things I knew I had gone through that were bad,

485
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:01,480
Speaker 1: but there was a lot that I that I had

486
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:04,800
Speaker 1: to come to terms with that I've been almost trained

487
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:08,640
Speaker 1: to ignore because it was easier to exist outside of

488
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:10,480
Speaker 1: the four walls of my own house if I could

489
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:14,360
Speaker 1: just keep moving forward. And you talked about how when

490
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:19,640
Speaker 1: the Me Too movement first took off, you said, I

491
00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:21,400
Speaker 1: don't think I have a story to share, and then

492
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:23,920
Speaker 1: later you said, I realized I have a hundred stories

493
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:27,120
Speaker 1: to share. I've been, you know, conditioned to accept that

494
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:33,920
Speaker 1: kind of behavior as normal this far into movement making,

495
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:38,800
Speaker 1: how do you think we speed up the work of

496
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:44,520
Speaker 1: undoing decades of misogyny and and underrepresentation and sexism, you

497
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:48,080
Speaker 1: know in our industry and really for women everywhere. Yeah,

498
00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:51,560
Speaker 1: I think it's it's an enormous question, I um And

499
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:55,120
Speaker 1: I think that so many people are hitting it from

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00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:57,520
Speaker 1: different angles. And I think that that's what I don't

501
00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:01,520
Speaker 1: think there's it's like a one thing is gonna change it.

502
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:06,720
Speaker 1: It's so many different um uh, so many different methods,

503
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:10,920
Speaker 1: and um uh, I think so much has been done

504
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:16,520
Speaker 1: already just being making people aware of course, um Toronto

505
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:21,040
Speaker 1: Berks movement like really and and all of the incredible

506
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:25,160
Speaker 1: brave people who came forward where but definitely set the

507
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:31,280
Speaker 1: foundation for like collectively making everyone aware that this was happening,

508
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:34,360
Speaker 1: which is like the first step. And then of course

509
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:40,640
Speaker 1: people are putting in different UM, different safety measures, different

510
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:44,520
Speaker 1: UM which is still you know, not quite there, but

511
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:48,240
Speaker 1: I think people are aware that it needs to be

512
00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:53,040
Speaker 1: there at least is step one UM. And and then

513
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:57,200
Speaker 1: I think also just understanding the balance, like the relationship

514
00:33:57,280 --> 00:34:01,840
Speaker 1: between the balance of power and the abuse that happens

515
00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:06,719
Speaker 1: has been really well linked UM, so that people are

516
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:14,719
Speaker 1: understanding that having more UM more representative cruise, having more

517
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:19,319
Speaker 1: representative workplaces reflective of the world, which is not just

518
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:22,000
Speaker 1: a gender thing, but it is also you know, on

519
00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:26,480
Speaker 1: every level of categorization that we put people into that

520
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:30,400
Speaker 1: when we have our workplaces reflect the world more that

521
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:34,759
Speaker 1: the balance and at every level of power UM, the

522
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:41,360
Speaker 1: workplace has become more safe for all people because, yeah,

523
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:43,200
Speaker 1: the power and balance is like I think that was

524
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:45,719
Speaker 1: one of the most shocking things to me that I

525
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:50,680
Speaker 1: had taken for granted was that I was really usually

526
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:54,120
Speaker 1: the only female on set except for like usually hair

527
00:34:54,160 --> 00:35:00,959
Speaker 1: and makeup and wardrobe UM, and I was completely used

528
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:03,560
Speaker 1: to that and took it for like as a normal

529
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:08,680
Speaker 1: um and that that I was like, whoa that was?

530
00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:13,359
Speaker 1: I had like internalized that that was okay UM and

531
00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:16,400
Speaker 1: had become comfortable with it or had like figured out

532
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:19,480
Speaker 1: coping mechanisms of being comfortable with it, and that is

533
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:25,879
Speaker 1: was completely um like an internal change for sure. Yeah.

534
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:28,080
Speaker 1: I had to do much of the same and and

535
00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:31,799
Speaker 1: realize the same that we're often the only ones and

536
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:34,640
Speaker 1: so then we have to learn to take a joke

537
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:38,200
Speaker 1: or ignore a comment so that we can just continue

538
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:41,080
Speaker 1: to do our jobs. And and most of the men

539
00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:43,759
Speaker 1: in the room don't experience that, so they don't know

540
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:47,960
Speaker 1: what it feels like. And this idea that as we

541
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:53,239
Speaker 1: create more diverse and inclusive spaces, there will be more

542
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:58,160
Speaker 1: people who are aware of different things simply and and

543
00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:02,600
Speaker 1: and that changes the culture that those exciting. And I

544
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:06,480
Speaker 1: think there's an assumption and in our world off often

545
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:11,759
Speaker 1: that it's you know, super progressive, and it's not. You know,

546
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:16,839
Speaker 1: I I loved I was cheering at home when you

547
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:20,120
Speaker 1: were announcing was it the nominees for the Academy Awards

548
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:23,640
Speaker 1: and you said, and the all male nominees are Yeah,

549
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:26,720
Speaker 1: it was the globes and it was just so good

550
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:31,120
Speaker 1: and and and it highlighted that, you know, regardless of

551
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:34,720
Speaker 1: the incredible work that women directors are doing in our industry,

552
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:39,239
Speaker 1: they're often just not even considered worthy of being in

553
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:42,880
Speaker 1: those rooms. And you know, you showed up with names

554
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:45,560
Speaker 1: of directors sewn on to the you know, the cape

555
00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:48,120
Speaker 1: of your dress. And I know that there's people out

556
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:49,960
Speaker 1: there who think, like, what's the point of making a

557
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:52,160
Speaker 1: political statement on a red carpet? And it's like, because

558
00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:56,719
Speaker 1: you're talking about it now, that's the point, Like, yeah, yeah,

559
00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 1: I mean that's the thing is that I think we

560
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:04,000
Speaker 1: always have to be aware of what we can do

561
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:09,719
Speaker 1: to bring it into conversation and um, and those hopefully

562
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:12,680
Speaker 1: do make culture shifts, you know, hopefully does put pressure

563
00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:16,880
Speaker 1: on and yeah, and it's been incredible to get to see,

564
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:21,319
Speaker 1: you know, peers of ours speak so eloquently and bring

565
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:23,799
Speaker 1: things up and bring things to light, whether you know,

566
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:30,000
Speaker 1: remember um, uh Michelle Williams talking about pay disparity or um,

567
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:35,279
Speaker 1: you know them who was it who said the inclusion

568
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:37,919
Speaker 1: writer for the first time And everyone was like, oh

569
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:43,040
Speaker 1: my god, it was Um Francis mcdormant, of course was

570
00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:47,359
Speaker 1: Francis mcdormant, who mentioned the inclusion writer when she I mean,

571
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:49,800
Speaker 1: those are moments that a lot of people are watching,

572
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:53,600
Speaker 1: a lot of people are talking about, and when they

573
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:58,879
Speaker 1: bring those things out into light, it creates, it does

574
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:02,839
Speaker 1: shift culture whole fully, and I love it. There are

575
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 1: so many ways to spend the privilege of a platform

576
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:10,719
Speaker 1: and to carry other women and other people into the

577
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:14,640
Speaker 1: rooms that we have fought our way into. And I

578
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:24,400
Speaker 1: I think there's this exciting recipe at work of you know, revolution, policy, advocacy, activism, education,

579
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:28,680
Speaker 1: because even even just letting people know how pervasive a

580
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:31,360
Speaker 1: problem is or or who gets left out of a space,

581
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:38,440
Speaker 1: that kind of awareness begins to create a shift. Oh yeah,

582
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:41,239
Speaker 1: I mean one of the things that was really um

583
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:45,640
Speaker 1: so interesting to me was that I like learned about

584
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:47,919
Speaker 1: three times up was we of course we're talking about

585
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:50,839
Speaker 1: paid disparities and treatment and women, and they were like, well,

586
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:56,040
Speaker 1: there's also certain professions they call it, like I think

587
00:38:56,040 --> 00:39:00,320
Speaker 1: they call it occupational segregation, where there are certain professions

588
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:04,120
Speaker 1: that are like solely women are almost only women, like

589
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:09,160
Speaker 1: teachers or like you know, nurses or um and and

590
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:12,240
Speaker 1: those are the ones that of course they're the whole

591
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:15,480
Speaker 1: profession is just paid less than they would be if

592
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:19,839
Speaker 1: they were more um you know, gender integrated um and

593
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:24,920
Speaker 1: it's um uh. And that it was really eye opening

594
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:26,440
Speaker 1: to me because I was like, oh, yeah, of course

595
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:32,720
Speaker 1: these you know, women's jobs are typically stereotypically women's jobs

596
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:37,600
Speaker 1: are so undervalued. M caregiving, Like you know, the people

597
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:41,320
Speaker 1: who that are It's like if you asked me who's

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00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:45,200
Speaker 1: the most important person in your life, it's like that

599
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:48,919
Speaker 1: you that you employ. It's like, obviously the people who

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00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:52,120
Speaker 1: care for my children and their teachers, you know, their

601
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:56,719
Speaker 1: nannies and their teachers, and um, you're like, and so

602
00:39:57,080 --> 00:40:00,560
Speaker 1: why are they paid so differently than like my lawyer,

603
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:04,960
Speaker 1: my accountant, who they're great. I appreciate their work, but like,

604
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:09,360
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's definitely we we undervalue things that

605
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:14,279
Speaker 1: are like stereotypically female female jobs so much, and hopefully

606
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:20,400
Speaker 1: I think this pandemic um also gives us understanding of

607
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:22,799
Speaker 1: that because so many of our essential workers that are

608
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:27,279
Speaker 1: like overwhelmingly female. Yeah, it's so cool to think about

609
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:32,640
Speaker 1: it that way. One of the things that geeked me

610
00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:36,839
Speaker 1: out that you did, which is so relevant to this conversation,

611
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:41,319
Speaker 1: is you even used working with Marvel to create a

612
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:45,560
Speaker 1: whole space for young women in STEM and getting women

613
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:50,480
Speaker 1: into STEM education is something that I'm so passionate about.

614
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:52,600
Speaker 1: And it was so cool. I was I can't I

615
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:54,880
Speaker 1: honestly couldn't believe I hadn't heard about it. I was like,

616
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:57,799
Speaker 1: she wrote a contest for Reeve in science. How did

617
00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:02,319
Speaker 1: I not know this? How how did you approach, you know,

618
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:05,640
Speaker 1: a studio that was that large and say this is

619
00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:10,680
Speaker 1: what I want to do with this story. Well they

620
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:14,280
Speaker 1: were actually really incredible, and um, I think they even

621
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:19,799
Speaker 1: generated the idea. UM. I wanted to do Thor initially

622
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:23,120
Speaker 1: because I was like, it will be amazing to have

623
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:27,520
Speaker 1: a character who's a female astrophysicist in the center of

624
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:30,840
Speaker 1: this big Marvel movie that you know, like everyone goes

625
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:35,000
Speaker 1: to see UM And so that was definitely the draw

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00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:38,560
Speaker 1: for me making it. UM. And then they they brought

627
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:41,520
Speaker 1: it to UM, they said, would you be interested in

628
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:44,439
Speaker 1: in doing this? So, UM, I have to give them

629
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Speaker 1: their their do UM. I think the Marvel guys are

630
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:52,759
Speaker 1: like very I shouldn't just say guys, there's there's some

631
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:58,040
Speaker 1: women there too. The Marvel people are are quite um,

632
00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:05,640
Speaker 1: genuinely committed to to um, you know, being being positive

633
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:10,600
Speaker 1: influences in the world and um have done, have done

634
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:12,439
Speaker 1: some cool things. And that was that was a really

635
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:16,160
Speaker 1: exciting one because I was like definitely a science nerd

636
00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:19,440
Speaker 1: in high school and like entering the competitions and stuff.

637
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:22,759
Speaker 1: So I'm super interested in how you got, um, how

638
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:25,280
Speaker 1: you were wanting to be a heart surgeon. That's so specific,

639
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:29,680
Speaker 1: Like what what was that from? I don't really know.

640
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:33,760
Speaker 1: I remember so my favorite biology teacher was my teacher, Mr. Hallman,

641
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:38,360
Speaker 1: and we did uh it's so hard you know where

642
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:41,480
Speaker 1: where add because he abrout the environment and sort of

643
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:45,919
Speaker 1: medical science research research overlap, UM and knowing how hard

644
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:47,520
Speaker 1: you work, I'm like, this is the worst story I

645
00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:49,279
Speaker 1: could tell you, but it was eye opening for me

646
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:51,560
Speaker 1: as a kid. Um. It was the year that we

647
00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:57,320
Speaker 1: did the dissections of fetal pigs in school and learning

648
00:42:57,360 --> 00:43:02,840
Speaker 1: about the systems. I asked my favorite professor if he

649
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:05,200
Speaker 1: would stay with me through lunch and we could go

650
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:08,840
Speaker 1: onto the next sort of lesson and he was like,

651
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:12,680
Speaker 1: you are a weird, nerdy kid, but okay, And and

652
00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:15,680
Speaker 1: so there is a small group of us who stayed

653
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:19,839
Speaker 1: and and I really wanted to understand I'd always been

654
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:23,919
Speaker 1: fascinated with medicine and especially pediatric science. You know, how

655
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:26,720
Speaker 1: how do these doctors learn to work on miniature humans?

656
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:31,239
Speaker 1: And I just got obsessed with this idea that you

657
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:34,640
Speaker 1: could repair a heart, you know, whether for a baby

658
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:38,359
Speaker 1: or a child or an adult, how transplants work. And

659
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:41,520
Speaker 1: the irony is that I'm in pre COVID. Now I'm

660
00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:43,279
Speaker 1: just sort of sitting at home waiting for this to

661
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:45,959
Speaker 1: be over. But I was in training to go play

662
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:49,640
Speaker 1: a cardiovascular surgeon. When I was scrubbing in in the

663
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:54,200
Speaker 1: o R in real heart surgeries, people, patients and their

664
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:57,399
Speaker 1: families were giving me permission to be there with these

665
00:43:57,440 --> 00:44:02,480
Speaker 1: incredible teams of doctors, and it's just the it's the

666
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:07,359
Speaker 1: coolest thing in my life. I'm I'm so obsessed and

667
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:10,319
Speaker 1: so in a way, I feel like it's a really amazing. Yeah,

668
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:13,200
Speaker 1: it's like this full circle moment where that dream. Have

669
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:16,040
Speaker 1: you done that yet? Are you doing it? After? I

670
00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:21,120
Speaker 1: think we're gonna We're now looking at March. Okay, so

671
00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:24,399
Speaker 1: I think I can. I know, I think I get

672
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:26,520
Speaker 1: to start going back into the o R in January.

673
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:33,120
Speaker 1: So fingers crossed him. Thrilled, thrilled, um, But yeah, It's

674
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:36,440
Speaker 1: interesting how things that we loved as kids really can

675
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:40,400
Speaker 1: stay with us for our whole lives. And that is

676
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:43,080
Speaker 1: actually the most perfect moment to talk to you about

677
00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:46,440
Speaker 1: this book, which I literally have sitting at my desk.

678
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:51,799
Speaker 1: I love this, Thank you, I appreciate that. How did

679
00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:56,080
Speaker 1: how did this come up? Because the idea that you've

680
00:44:56,120 --> 00:45:01,719
Speaker 1: reimagined these classic children's fables, it's just so cool to me.

681
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:04,440
Speaker 1: And and I wonder where they your favorite stories as

682
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:07,120
Speaker 1: a kid, or are they now your kid's favorite stories?

683
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:10,959
Speaker 1: Where did this all come from? Well? I did love

684
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:14,839
Speaker 1: the fables and and sort of those classics, all those

685
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:18,120
Speaker 1: classic stories growing up, and I didn't really pay attention

686
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:24,600
Speaker 1: to the fact that all the characters we're male standardly um,

687
00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:27,880
Speaker 1: until I started reading to my little girl, who's no.

688
00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:31,360
Speaker 1: Three and a half, and I realized that that was

689
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:38,200
Speaker 1: problematic in terms of who were saying are valued stories

690
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:40,879
Speaker 1: to be hearing? Um, And also just in a way

691
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:44,839
Speaker 1: of like reflecting the world that, um, you know, we're

692
00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:50,120
Speaker 1: we're telling boys and girls that you know, first of all,

693
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:52,680
Speaker 1: that there's more males in the world than females because

694
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:56,240
Speaker 1: they're animals, and you're obviously not reflecting the animal kingdom

695
00:45:56,440 --> 00:46:01,200
Speaker 1: accurately UM. And then also that UM, you know that

696
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:05,880
Speaker 1: that whose hearts and minds should we be imagining because

697
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:10,560
Speaker 1: that's what storytelling is. Is you're telling kids to relate

698
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:13,719
Speaker 1: to characters, to feel for them, to be excited when

699
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:18,000
Speaker 1: the tortoise wins the race, and you know, to be

700
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:21,200
Speaker 1: scared for the pigs when the wolf comes to blow

701
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:24,280
Speaker 1: their house down. And so we're feeling for these characters.

702
00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:28,760
Speaker 1: And if you're asking all children to relate to mainly

703
00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:32,560
Speaker 1: male characters, what does that do for them? What is

704
00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:35,960
Speaker 1: that instill in them? Because it feels very early with

705
00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:39,160
Speaker 1: like you know, toddler age, early reader age to actually

706
00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:42,440
Speaker 1: talk about like gender issues. But I think the way

707
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:45,799
Speaker 1: we just build their world through the stories we tell

708
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:52,719
Speaker 1: UM needs to have those basic um, basic values in

709
00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:57,040
Speaker 1: them that we're reflecting everyone and not just one particular

710
00:46:57,120 --> 00:46:59,480
Speaker 1: group that we're like, you should really pay attention to

711
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:02,759
Speaker 1: these characters and how they feel, UM. And so I

712
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:07,120
Speaker 1: wanted to keep the stories relatively classic because I don't

713
00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:09,759
Speaker 1: think you need to throw away these things that have

714
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:13,840
Speaker 1: been passed down from generation to generation. Necessarily if the

715
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:19,040
Speaker 1: values of the story feel relevant still UM, but just

716
00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:22,279
Speaker 1: make them reflect the world. So um, I redid the

717
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:25,360
Speaker 1: tortoise and the hair with three little pigs and country

718
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:28,880
Speaker 1: mass and city mouse, and um updated them just to

719
00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:33,360
Speaker 1: really reflect the world we live in. I love that.

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00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:38,359
Speaker 1: It really makes me think to your point that yes,

721
00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:40,919
Speaker 1: it's an early age to you know, sit your kids

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00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:43,000
Speaker 1: down and teach them about gender studies and who law

723
00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:48,080
Speaker 1: assynem was, but that there is a real reality we

724
00:47:48,120 --> 00:47:51,840
Speaker 1: need to consider about their brain development and the patterning

725
00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:54,960
Speaker 1: that they're learning. And if kids are only hearing stories

726
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:58,839
Speaker 1: about one kind of person, then they're learning, whether it's

727
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:01,120
Speaker 1: overly or subconscious, see that there's only one kind of

728
00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:04,680
Speaker 1: person who deserves a seat at the table. And when

729
00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:08,680
Speaker 1: we as adults and as women are bringing our experiences

730
00:48:08,719 --> 00:48:10,440
Speaker 1: into the room and talking about how we need to

731
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:13,680
Speaker 1: build bigger tables that too many people have been left out,

732
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:19,040
Speaker 1: this feels like a really important way to start. Oh absolutely,

733
00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:24,320
Speaker 1: And I think that, um, you know, when we're all

734
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:30,759
Speaker 1: kind of um practiced overpracticed and imagining male minds, which

735
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:33,920
Speaker 1: is what when you're trying to empathize with male characters,

736
00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:39,920
Speaker 1: whether it's in a film or TV or UM or books. Um,

737
00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:42,640
Speaker 1: you know, we first of all have a harder time

738
00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:46,040
Speaker 1: understanding how does the female think? UM. So for boys,

739
00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:48,959
Speaker 1: I think you know, that can be problematic if they're

740
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:53,399
Speaker 1: not as as as as practiced at being like, how

741
00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:56,279
Speaker 1: does this make her feel? What do I when I

742
00:48:56,320 --> 00:48:59,600
Speaker 1: do this? How does she react? What is she feeling inside?

743
00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:03,200
Speaker 1: She comfortable? Is she happy? And and and then girls often

744
00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:07,000
Speaker 1: have a problem recognizing their own feelings because they're so

745
00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:09,839
Speaker 1: focused on does he think I'm nice? Does he think

746
00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:11,719
Speaker 1: I'm pretty? Does he think I'm sweet? Does he find

747
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:14,560
Speaker 1: me annoying? What does he want to have for dinner?

748
00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:18,960
Speaker 1: What does he you know? And the overpracticing effects all

749
00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:23,839
Speaker 1: all people. I think, UM, when we're overpracticing imagining male

750
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:28,640
Speaker 1: minds UM, and so I think just like simply being

751
00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:33,239
Speaker 1: aware like of that UM and simply just making characters

752
00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:39,959
Speaker 1: reflective of you know, the animal kingdom, human reality UM,

753
00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:46,200
Speaker 1: that real life gender balance UM. I think is just

754
00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:50,640
Speaker 1: the earliest way to introduce it to kids. M I

755
00:49:50,719 --> 00:49:56,640
Speaker 1: love that, and it it feels across the sort of

756
00:49:56,800 --> 00:50:00,920
Speaker 1: spectrum of how we build more inclusive face says I. I

757
00:50:00,560 --> 00:50:03,120
Speaker 1: I feel like there's a huge tie between the book

758
00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:08,440
Speaker 1: and Angel City. I want to talk about our team,

759
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:12,279
Speaker 1: the Angel City Football Club, I mean you you did

760
00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:17,200
Speaker 1: the greatest service truly for me, because I've been shouting

761
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:19,759
Speaker 1: from what felt like the rooftops forever that you know,

762
00:50:20,239 --> 00:50:22,759
Speaker 1: l A needed a women's team. Uh. And I'm the

763
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:24,360
Speaker 1: crazy person who will get up at four in the

764
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:27,919
Speaker 1: morning to watch our our women in the World Cup.

765
00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:32,040
Speaker 1: And I'm just like an utter lunatic over a soccer game.

766
00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:38,040
Speaker 1: And you took that feeling and then did your incredible

767
00:50:38,680 --> 00:50:42,240
Speaker 1: what you're incredibly gifted at and followed through and helped

768
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:48,960
Speaker 1: organize a team, tell the audience everything. Well, thank you

769
00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:54,840
Speaker 1: for being such a an awesome partner in this venture,

770
00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:59,000
Speaker 1: which we're all so excited about. Um And it really

771
00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:02,320
Speaker 1: did have similar our origins, I have to say, because

772
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:08,120
Speaker 1: a lot of it is figuring out how to what

773
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:11,080
Speaker 1: I can present my son honestly, Like we talk all

774
00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:15,759
Speaker 1: the time about what we need to provide girls. But

775
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:21,120
Speaker 1: I'm like, girls know their power. Like I it's wonderful

776
00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:25,279
Speaker 1: for us to like have our our heroes and our

777
00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:29,920
Speaker 1: you know, and be celebrated. But like, and obviously this

778
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:33,120
Speaker 1: is for the girls, Like obviously, but I think the

779
00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:35,759
Speaker 1: undersung part of it is like, how are we going

780
00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:39,040
Speaker 1: to change the boys? And when I saw my son

781
00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:45,240
Speaker 1: watching the Women's World Cup and being so excited about

782
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:47,680
Speaker 1: the female players in the same way he was excited

783
00:51:47,719 --> 00:51:52,480
Speaker 1: about the male players and not really noticing, like he

784
00:51:52,680 --> 00:51:55,840
Speaker 1: was just like, Oh, these are awesome soccer players. I

785
00:51:55,920 --> 00:51:59,760
Speaker 1: was like, Oh, this is a key to shifting culture,

786
00:51:59,840 --> 00:52:03,560
Speaker 1: because like he and his friends would go into the

787
00:52:03,640 --> 00:52:06,800
Speaker 1: Nike store and be like, you, guys, wear's the Megan

788
00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:09,920
Speaker 1: Rapino shirt and they wouldn't have it there, and they

789
00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:12,359
Speaker 1: wanted to wear Rapino shirts. They wanted to wear out

790
00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:15,040
Speaker 1: Its Morgan shirts, and the same way they want to

791
00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:19,480
Speaker 1: wear like messy shirts and Ronaldo's shirts. And it was

792
00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:23,360
Speaker 1: just like, Oh, this is how we get boys to

793
00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:27,359
Speaker 1: grow up looking at women and females as humans and

794
00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:31,399
Speaker 1: looking at their accomplishments and their talents before seeing them

795
00:52:31,560 --> 00:52:37,480
Speaker 1: in like any sort of categorized way. And it was

796
00:52:37,560 --> 00:52:39,640
Speaker 1: just so powerful to me. So that I think is

797
00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:43,359
Speaker 1: really similar to the impetus for for doing the book too,

798
00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:45,680
Speaker 1: because for the book was also I was like, I

799
00:52:45,680 --> 00:52:48,000
Speaker 1: don't want to make a feminist book for girls, like

800
00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:50,879
Speaker 1: we get it so much and the girls are getting

801
00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:53,640
Speaker 1: in so much. It's the boys who, like, we need

802
00:52:53,680 --> 00:52:56,080
Speaker 1: the next generation of boys to be different, and so

803
00:52:56,120 --> 00:52:58,480
Speaker 1: we need to put it in all the books, the

804
00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:00,719
Speaker 1: books that are aimed at boys, books that are aimed

805
00:53:00,719 --> 00:53:04,160
Speaker 1: at like all kids. Um, along with of course the

806
00:53:04,239 --> 00:53:08,480
Speaker 1: girls stuff like help girls of course, like feel even

807
00:53:08,600 --> 00:53:12,280
Speaker 1: stronger in in their self knowledge and in their self

808
00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:16,759
Speaker 1: um you know, belief. Um. It was just an incredible

809
00:53:17,080 --> 00:53:19,600
Speaker 1: group that came together, Julie Erman who's leading us in,

810
00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:25,800
Speaker 1: Kara Norman who is another founder alongside um, alongside me, Um,

811
00:53:25,880 --> 00:53:30,560
Speaker 1: we have Yeah, I been working hard. And then Alexis

812
00:53:30,600 --> 00:53:33,600
Speaker 1: Orhanian and Serena Williams came on and that was just

813
00:53:33,719 --> 00:53:37,799
Speaker 1: like the real turning point for us because they're so

814
00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:42,200
Speaker 1: incredible and are so deeply um rooted in this. And

815
00:53:42,239 --> 00:53:44,240
Speaker 1: then we just like, now we have the coolest group

816
00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:47,200
Speaker 1: of people, like all of these amazing athletes, with all

817
00:53:47,239 --> 00:53:50,520
Speaker 1: these former U S national team players and Billy Jing

818
00:53:50,719 --> 00:53:55,400
Speaker 1: King and Abby Wamback Glennon and like, and then of

819
00:53:55,440 --> 00:53:58,480
Speaker 1: course all the actresses who have been so amazing Jazz

820
00:53:58,560 --> 00:54:02,920
Speaker 1: Testing and America a for and Ego Loongorians and Duba

821
00:54:03,080 --> 00:54:06,560
Speaker 1: and Jenn Garner. It's like and yourself and I mean

822
00:54:06,600 --> 00:54:09,400
Speaker 1: this is like it's just a dream team of people

823
00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:15,240
Speaker 1: and I couldn't be more excited for when we watch

824
00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:20,200
Speaker 1: I can't wait. I can't wait. And it's funny because

825
00:54:20,440 --> 00:54:22,879
Speaker 1: you know, talking about all of these things that you're

826
00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:26,040
Speaker 1: working on and doing and advocating for it, it takes

827
00:54:26,040 --> 00:54:27,719
Speaker 1: me back to what you were saying earlier when you

828
00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:30,600
Speaker 1: look around in those rooms and think, how are these

829
00:54:30,600 --> 00:54:33,480
Speaker 1: women doing it all? I think that when I hear

830
00:54:33,480 --> 00:54:36,680
Speaker 1: you talk about everything you're working on, I'm like, how

831
00:54:36,719 --> 00:54:40,239
Speaker 1: are you managing to do this and make, you know,

832
00:54:40,320 --> 00:54:42,520
Speaker 1: a movie in Australia and be a mom to two

833
00:54:42,600 --> 00:54:45,120
Speaker 1: kids and you know you have so much going on?

834
00:54:45,560 --> 00:54:50,799
Speaker 1: How do you feel like you have learned to you know,

835
00:54:50,920 --> 00:54:55,399
Speaker 1: prioritize time. Yeah. I mean, first of all, i feel

836
00:54:55,440 --> 00:55:01,000
Speaker 1: like I've reiterate that I've gotten so much energy from

837
00:55:01,080 --> 00:55:08,600
Speaker 1: watching peers, like whether it's America or yourself or Eva

838
00:55:08,800 --> 00:55:13,520
Speaker 1: or Carrie Washington or Reese Witherspoon, like looking around and

839
00:55:13,560 --> 00:55:16,600
Speaker 1: I'm like, they're all doing so much and it inspires

840
00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:19,799
Speaker 1: me like every second because I'm like, Okay, it's possible,

841
00:55:19,840 --> 00:55:24,000
Speaker 1: it's possible, it's possible. Um. And then the second thing,

842
00:55:24,040 --> 00:55:27,040
Speaker 1: I think, like the biggest thing is just um uh

843
00:55:28,040 --> 00:55:31,600
Speaker 1: being okay. With like not doing everything really well because

844
00:55:31,719 --> 00:55:35,200
Speaker 1: like I think you have to kind of like be

845
00:55:35,320 --> 00:55:40,560
Speaker 1: okay with like okay, good enough sometimes like with them.

846
00:55:40,640 --> 00:55:44,319
Speaker 1: You know. That's kind of my like with being a mom.

847
00:55:44,440 --> 00:55:47,239
Speaker 1: It's like you get if you get too perfectionists, like

848
00:55:47,320 --> 00:55:51,320
Speaker 1: you just have to Like I think every mother, working

849
00:55:51,400 --> 00:55:54,759
Speaker 1: mother knows it that you're like you've got to like

850
00:55:55,800 --> 00:56:00,719
Speaker 1: really just get it done, like done, not perfect. Has

851
00:56:00,800 --> 00:56:04,399
Speaker 1: to be like the mantra. And then if you do that,

852
00:56:04,560 --> 00:56:08,840
Speaker 1: it's like all this time kind of opens up. And

853
00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:12,000
Speaker 1: I've also started waking up very early and going to

854
00:56:12,040 --> 00:56:14,440
Speaker 1: sleep very early, which is like changed my life. I've

855
00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:17,560
Speaker 1: always been like a night person my whole life, and

856
00:56:18,920 --> 00:56:22,359
Speaker 1: I've I've started waking up at like five because those

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Speaker 1: are the hours that like are really mine, mine alone.

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Speaker 1: I'm in the attempt in transition from going to from

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Speaker 1: being a night person to being an early morning person,

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Speaker 1: and it's killing me. It's really hard. You really have

861
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Speaker 1: to be committed to going to sleep at like nine

862
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Speaker 1: or nine thirty, which is like so lame. It's like

863
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Speaker 1: kind of an admission that you're like for me that

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Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, I'm old. I'm like it's here. I'm

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Speaker 1: going to sleep at nine and it feels great, you know,

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Speaker 1: But it also feels great to be like have a

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Speaker 1: couple of hours in the morning before anyone wakes up

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Speaker 1: where you can do anything, you know, um, because it's

869
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Speaker 1: definitely important to have time for yourself. I love that. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna ask you my favorite thing that I ask

871
00:57:15,440 --> 00:57:17,959
Speaker 1: everybody who comes on the show. The podcast is called

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00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:20,840
Speaker 1: work in progress really because it's meant to be an

873
00:57:20,840 --> 00:57:24,800
Speaker 1: exploration of what we're figuring out and where we're taking

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Speaker 1: it all. So what for you and your life feels

875
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Speaker 1: like a work in progress right now? Oh? My goodness,

876
00:57:32,200 --> 00:57:40,760
Speaker 1: everything everything, um uh let me be more specific. UM.

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Speaker 1: I mean there's some very like tangible things that are

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Speaker 1: like not so um deep um, Like I'm actually I'm

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Speaker 1: trying to I'm starting this like fitness thing for thor,

880
00:57:55,200 --> 00:58:01,560
Speaker 1: which is big work in progress because yeah, I'm right

881
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Speaker 1: at the beginning. So hopefully next time you see me,

882
00:58:04,400 --> 00:58:11,760
Speaker 1: I'll be like jacked and um. More like internally, um,

883
00:58:11,880 --> 00:58:22,560
Speaker 1: it's definitely um um, I think figuring out how to um.

884
00:58:22,600 --> 00:58:25,640
Speaker 1: I think really be like focused and attentive with my kids.

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Speaker 1: I think when you are doing a lot I think

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Speaker 1: it's really UM. I think it's like the most crucial

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Speaker 1: thing for children, UM to have like very like blinders

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Speaker 1: on intense focus and when you're doing a lot that's

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00:58:43,720 --> 00:58:46,560
Speaker 1: really hard. Like I think that's another thing of like

890
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Speaker 1: working moms as we there's like always like a running

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Speaker 1: list of everything you have to get done in your

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Speaker 1: head and UM, so definitely trying to figure out how

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Speaker 1: to um to do that. And that's actually a line

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Speaker 1: in the fables that I think I wrote almost to

895
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Speaker 1: myself so that I would read it over and over again.

896
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Speaker 1: UM is in the tortoise and the hair when it's

897
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Speaker 1: like honey moved slowly and it is the sweetest. A

898
00:59:13,480 --> 00:59:17,000
Speaker 1: life lived attentively is the completest. And that was like

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Speaker 1: that was like for myself almost more than anything. I

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Speaker 1: was like, I need to really, you know, look my

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Speaker 1: kids in the eye and be a hundred percent with them, um,

902
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Speaker 1: which happens almost none of the time, I think, I

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Speaker 1: have to admit, but is an intention and UM, you know,

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Speaker 1: definitely part of the part of the work. I had

905
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Speaker 1: a I had a SWAT team leader on a job

906
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Speaker 1: who was teaching us to do really insane things, and

907
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Speaker 1: he would always say slow as fast. Yes, that you know,

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00:59:52,360 --> 00:59:55,520
Speaker 1: this slow intentional movement was actually a way to get

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Speaker 1: into a space and assess it safely. H far more

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Speaker 1: than running into any room. And I think about that

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Speaker 1: at least one today. I hear his voice in my head.

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Speaker 1: Slow is fast, and I just put put that thing down,

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Speaker 1: calm down for one moment. That's Yeah, that's a really

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Speaker 1: good Um, that's a really good like mantra. I will

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Speaker 1: hold on to that. Yeah, you you reminded me, And

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Speaker 1: now I'm I'm going to commit because you've inspired me

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Speaker 1: to try to commit again. No, but it really, I

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Speaker 1: mean I feel like the longer rum around, the more

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Speaker 1: I realized like that, it's like that is love is

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Speaker 1: like attentiveness, Like that is really more than anything. It's

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01:00:41,320 --> 01:00:46,480
Speaker 1: like a series of small acts of intense attention and

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Speaker 1: paying attention. Um and and it's and it's not easy.

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Speaker 1: It's like needs to be cultivated and and uh not love.

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Speaker 1: Love is love is easy. Attention is especially in the

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Speaker 1: times we live in, I think, needs to be cultivated. Yeah, almost,

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Speaker 1: love the feeling is easy to have, but love as

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Speaker 1: an action ver herb has to has to be chosen repeatedly.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely mm hmm, absolutely, thank you. This has been so fun.

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Speaker 1: I know. Let's do this again more often with wine

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Speaker 1: guys exactly. This show is executive produced by Me, Sophia Bush,

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Speaker 1: and sim Sarna. Our associate producer is Kate Linlee, our

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Speaker 1: editor is Josh Wendish, and our music was written by

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Speaker 1: Jack Garrett and produced by Mark Foster. This show is

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Speaker 1: brought to you by clin Brilliant Anatomy m