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Speaker 1: Hey, folks. It is Thursday, November twentieth, and the Miss

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Speaker 1: Universe pageant happening this evening. It has been a scandal

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Speaker 1: ridden Miss Universe pageant already, that's what this episode was

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Speaker 1: supposed to be about. But Robok and I have been

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Speaker 1: watching the Miss Universe pageant, and this episode is going

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Speaker 1: to be about oh so much more. And with that,

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Speaker 1: welcome everybody to a late edition of Amy and TJ Brogs.

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Speaker 1: I have had so much fun watching this pageant, which

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Speaker 1: as we are recording, is still going on. This has

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Speaker 1: been a blast. And my favorite thing you said, that's okay,

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Speaker 1: this episode is going to be different. You said, she

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Speaker 1: has no pores.

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Speaker 2: I mean these women, so the Miss USA pageant. By

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Speaker 2: the way, we're watching it in Spanish, so and there

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Speaker 2: is no English translation or subtitle, so we're just watching.

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Speaker 2: We can't really hear, we don't really know what's going on.

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Speaker 1: We'll given our own commentary, which has been great.

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Speaker 2: So these women, they're all stunning and gorgeous, but they're

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Speaker 2: showing them up close and literally you said that isn't

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Speaker 2: real skin, and that's what I said, she has no pores.

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Speaker 2: It's like we were looking at plastic Barbie doll ai

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Speaker 2: versions of people. Anyway, a lot of them look manufactured.

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Speaker 2: I'm not saying they are, but yes, it's bizarre. We've

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Speaker 2: just been fascinated.

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Speaker 1: Why that was the moment one night for me and

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Speaker 1: do I have right as we sit here, Miss USA

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Speaker 1: did not make the she's the finalist.

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Speaker 2: Oh she didn't make the top twelve.

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Speaker 1: Oh right, So I just realized this Usa is not

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Speaker 1: in the US one of the finalists for Miss Universe.

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Speaker 2: It's a big deal.

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Speaker 1: So that's that we were going to and we plan

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Speaker 1: on doing this earlier. Look the Miss Universe pageant if

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Speaker 1: you've been seeing there's been a lot of headlines coming

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Speaker 1: out of there over the past several weeks that have

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Speaker 1: not been good. The latest one and we can give

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Speaker 1: you an update here Miss Jamaica. If you haven't seen

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Speaker 1: that video, it's been everywhere today. Robe she took one

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Speaker 1: of the nastiest fall. It's the exact fall that anybody

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Speaker 1: who's ever on a stage worries about making. She had

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Speaker 2: And she was in an evening gown and it looked

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Speaker 2: at least like six inch heels. You're walking. She had

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Speaker 2: you get discombobulated when you've got those lights shining up

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Speaker 2: at you. And she just walked right off the stage

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Speaker 2: and took such a tumble she ended up leaving in

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Speaker 2: a stretcher. But they did update everyone today saying she's

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Speaker 2: They're just going to look at her just to make

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Speaker 2: sure everything's okay. But no broken bones. Her family's there

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Speaker 2: with her. She's okay. But what a disappointment. That's that's

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Speaker 2: not how anybody wants this to end.

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Speaker 1: And I'm intioned as well. I know there were preliminary rounds.

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Speaker 1: I didn't know this has been going on for weeks.

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Speaker 1: They have been there and competing for weeks to get

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Speaker 1: whatever order you say better than I came. But essentially,

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Speaker 2: All the preliminary rounds, because actually I don't know, it's

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Speaker 2: like three hundred and something. There are a tremendous amount

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Speaker 2: we were as we're watching the broadcast to the top thirty.

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Speaker 2: So you have to have a lot of preliminary rounds

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Speaker 2: and then the judges step in and pick the top thirty.

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Speaker 1: And so all that has been going on for the

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Speaker 1: past several weeks. And for the past several weeks we

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Speaker 1: have been hearing about the Miss Universe pageant, which robes.

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Speaker 1: I'll be honest, I was interested in tonight because of

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Speaker 1: the scandal, because of the controversy, and they have had

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Speaker 1: several knocks. Well I don't know which order to go

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Speaker 1: but they have had to replace directors, they have had

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Speaker 1: to have had judges quitting. This has been a mess

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Speaker 1: of a Miss Universe. And that was way before the pageant.

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Speaker 2: Every start, that's true. And the two judges that have resigned,

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Speaker 2: one of them alleged fraud and misconduct. The other just

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Speaker 2: We weren't really sure why he walked away. But Omar

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Speaker 2: Harfuch is the one who is a Lebanese French composer.

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Speaker 2: He stepped down. There were eight members of this judging panel. Basically,

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Speaker 2: and he said he's considering filing a lawsuit. He said

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Speaker 2: And then he went on to say that a member

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Speaker 2: want to hear. You've got these young women who have

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Speaker 2: spent a lot of time, whatever you think of pageants,

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Speaker 2: a lot of preparation to get ready for this. To

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Speaker 2: think that it's rigged, to think that there are people

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Speaker 2: who are in panels and positions of power sleeping with contestants,

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Speaker 2: I mean, you don't want to hear that. That's terrible, and.

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Speaker 1: What you say, you don't want to hear it. But well,

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Speaker 1: we talk about athletic competition. It's the worst thing you

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Speaker 1: can hear. If the integrity of the game, If anyone

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Speaker 1: suggests that this thing I'm watching is rigged, nobody exactly.

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Speaker 1: That's the worst thing that can happen. Now, I know

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Speaker 1: the pageant tried to defend itself against all of this stuff,

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Speaker 1: and you you know, you know I won't let you.

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Speaker 1: You can tell what it is and then I'll let

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Speaker 1: you give your opinion, because you did have an opinion

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Speaker 2: Yes, okay, So the Miss Universe they put out a

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Speaker 2: statement that said, the organization reiterates that all judging procedures

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Speaker 2: for the seventy fourth Miss Universe Competition remain official, transparent,

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Speaker 2: and fully governed by MUO protocols Miss Universe Organization Protocols.

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Speaker 2: So here's what they went on to directly discuss what

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Speaker 2: Harfuch was claiming, and he said that They said that

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Speaker 2: he was confused, that he was mistaking the judges panel

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Speaker 2: selection committee for a separate social impact initiative, and so

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Speaker 2: it was two different committees and he was just conflating

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Speaker 2: and it didn't seem to necessarily make me feel any better.

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Speaker 2: It was almost like it was intentionally confusing.

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Speaker 1: And how do you like Miss Chile's dress?

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Speaker 2: Missus Chile is stunning gorgeous. So she is in the

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Speaker 2: top twelve. Should we say? Look, so we're watching it

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Speaker 2: right now? We can This is a spoiler if you

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Speaker 2: haven't watched it, But then again, it's fairly certain you

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Speaker 2: have to watch it live. I couldn't even pause it.

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Speaker 2: see something you miss She looks great. Okay, So Chile

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Speaker 2: is in there, Cuba, Guadaloupe, Mexico, Puerto Rico, Venezuela, China, Philippines, Thailand,

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Speaker 2: home country there, Malta, Ivory Coast, and called Columbia.

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Speaker 1: Who do we like? Who is our favorite?

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Speaker 2: I think we really like Chile. Do you like China?

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Speaker 1: Like China? No? No, no, no, no, no, you remember there

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Speaker 1: was yeah, but then they rolled the video and there

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Speaker 2: No, wait, you like Malta? Right?

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Speaker 1: No, you know I don't like Malta. That's not funny,

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Speaker 1: you know I didn't like Malta. I can't remember which

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Speaker 2: Speaking of Mexico made the top twelve. She was also

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Speaker 1: Of his pageant.

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Speaker 2: So you all probably have heard about this, but will

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Speaker 1: Is this is when controversy started. This was when I

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Speaker 2: Yes, so they're basically arriving in Bangkok, all of the

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Speaker 2: he called her dumb. And he was all caught on

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Speaker 2: so several of the contestants got up and walked out

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Speaker 2: no denying it. He was absolutely inappropriate, completely disrespectful to

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Speaker 1: This is the guy they ended up dumping. He was

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Speaker 2: Really bad pr moment for them, and they thought that

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Speaker 2: so you've got the first judge stepping down, absolutely pointing

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Speaker 2: there's fraud going on, there's inappropriate relationships going on. And

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Speaker 2: then a second judge steps down. Do you know I'm

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Speaker 2: terrible with French names, but French soccer star Claude mckel mckelle. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: This was I didn't see the name. I'm assuming it's.

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Speaker 2: Not okay, but you know what, let me tell.

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Speaker 1: You you were singing it.

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Speaker 2: It was just okay, I've never so many like accents.

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Speaker 1: Okay, actually you all, I stay corrected. She is one

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Speaker 1: hundred percent correct. That is his name, one hundred percent.

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Speaker 1: You I am one hundred percent. She is right there.

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Speaker 2: There is actually E L E L E. And they

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Speaker 1: E Oh no, I don't know, don't know, all right, Well.

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Speaker 2: Anyway, he stepped down. This is just on Tuesday, so

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Speaker 2: just a few days before the big final moment here tonight,

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Speaker 2: for unforeseen personal reasons. Oh yeah, so we don't really

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Speaker 2: on the heels of our food stepping down and making

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Speaker 2: all of those bold statements. So it didn't look good

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Speaker 2: that you have two of eight judges leaving the week

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Speaker 2: that the finals going on, and right before the actual

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Speaker 1: You know what it did, though, was make me want

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Speaker 1: to watch. I had no idea that was happening tonight

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Speaker 1: other than the controversies. She's fell off of stage, the

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Speaker 1: guys talking bad to a contestant, judges are quitting. Oh,

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Speaker 1: I'll watch, And so I'm watching for the first time,

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Speaker 1: and I am we have had a blast watching, And

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Speaker 1: I still you had to get me squared away here.

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Speaker 1: I didn't miss America, miss USA. Two different, very different

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Speaker 1: two okay, very different, very different? Okay, what makes them

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Speaker 1: so very different? Please make the distinction for me once again,

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Speaker 1: because you've told me this five times in the past hour.

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Speaker 2: So and I will say this and full disclosure. I

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Speaker 2: was in the Miss Georgia pageant. I was only a

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Speaker 2: runner up to Miss Georgia. But that feeds into the

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Speaker 2: Miss America program. It is a scholarship based pageant system.

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Speaker 2: So you get a lot of young women Miss America.

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Speaker 2: You get a lot of young women who are going

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Speaker 2: to basically going through the pageant system to fund their education.

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Speaker 1: Okay, what's the focus of Miss Years.

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Speaker 2: It's the looks, Yes, the hotter, the better.

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Speaker 2: No, it really is young women who are looking to

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Speaker 2: I'm saying Miss America does not have that same look.

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Speaker 1: But the Miss USA organization does not put themselves out

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Speaker 1: I did not know this at all.

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Speaker 2: Yes, so you have, yes, the study.

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Speaker 2: It don't look real like. Yes, they're models, they're all

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Speaker 2: It's my favorite part Miss America. There absolutely is. In fact,

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Speaker 2: That was thirty percent of your score, and your interview

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Speaker 1: welcome back to this late edition of Amy and DJ.

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Speaker 1: We continue to watch the Miss Universe pageant. What is

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Speaker 2: I mean, her dress is stunning.

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Speaker 1: That that's a good smile. She has a great smile.

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Speaker 2: It was a stole, like a big pole tli like

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Speaker 1: I've never heard of that. Like it's a a scarf.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's more than a scarf. It's a big it's

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Speaker 2: It's a first dole. That is what it looked like

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Speaker 1: I learned so much from you. I've never heard of

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Speaker 2: Well you just saw one and there it is sitting

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Speaker 2: And Miss America you get college scholarship line. Yes, so

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Speaker 2: it's very different.

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Speaker 1: So I'm watching one of the stories you told me earlier,

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Speaker 1: and folks don't know. Let's get it right. You were

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Speaker 2: So I was Miss Gwinnett County and I was missed

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Speaker 1: Pageants where the scholarship ones.

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Speaker 1: was your talent?

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Speaker 2: I sang? And I sang Orange Colored Sky? What is

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Speaker 2: that from? Not King Cole?

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Speaker 1: Orange colored skot? Oh? I don't know that, not King Cole? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Why because well I won the talent in the whole pageants.

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Speaker 1: No, I'm saying why that song?

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Speaker 2: Because I love that song?

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Speaker 1: Oh enough?

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Speaker 1: Did you all have to do a swimsuit? Yeah, con

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Speaker 1: vision I did. Now, this is what you were telling

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Speaker 2: So when I told you this, you started laughing because

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Speaker 2: So no two pieces, only a one piece bathing suit,

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Speaker 2: So of course, like that's so terrible though, like you're

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Speaker 2: And now you can't put your legs and heels, which

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Speaker 2: And yet we were in swimsuits.

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Speaker 1: And your athleticism is judged and based on your physical appearance.

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Speaker 2: Correct, Okay, and so what.

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Speaker 1: Tell me what then, is the point of the bathing

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Speaker 2: Well, I would just say it's, yeah, it's how hot

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Speaker 2: to be a model, you have to be able to Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Then how am I judging that? If I'm a judge

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Speaker 2: It's how they're selling the bathing suit they're wearing in

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Speaker 1: Okay, so you sang the same song in both pet

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Speaker 2: And then when I actually went to Miss Georgia, I

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Speaker 2: It's from the musical Brigadoon?

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Speaker 2: I mean, all I can tell you is the above.

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Speaker 2: It is a song from a musical called Brigadoon. Okay,

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Speaker 1: Why actually pick that one?

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Speaker 2: I think my mom like really thought I should sing it?

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Speaker 1: We're kind of invested.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 1: We're going to continue to watch probably the Miss Universe

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Speaker 2: And yeah, I'll stay up with you. Let's see how

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Speaker 2: long I last. But no, it's been a blast, and

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Speaker 2: this might be a tradition, an annual tradition. And thank

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Speaker 2: made me robock alongside TJ. Holmes. We will talk to

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