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Speaker 2: Sure, cif as always, you guys.

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Speaker 1: As always, and TG I T if you're listening to

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Speaker 1: this on Tuesday.

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Speaker 2: And TG I T. Thank god it's tits.

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Speaker 1: You know. I brought up some things before we started

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Speaker 1: recording that I want to dress up top. Oh what,

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Speaker 1: First of all, I'm wearing a hat today, right.

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Speaker 4: About the reading that I didn't do. I was the

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Lauren, which is that you are wearing a

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Speaker 3: I mean, I would be happy for it to rectroactively

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Speaker 3: Just like that is the for me, is like the

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Speaker 3: latest of that. I was like, how can this be

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Speaker 3: the worst show that everyone agrees as the worst show

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Speaker 3: that everyone I mean, I guess it's like a hate watch,

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Speaker 3: but even that is I.

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Speaker 2: Do think as someone who does watch, and just like that,

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Speaker 2: I mean it is sort of like it is not good.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that is more of a hate watch

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Speaker 1: for me, but it's also it's also just like I

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Speaker 1: still can't break the nostalgia of Sex and the City,

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Speaker 1: Like I just love it so much that it's like

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Speaker 1: to know that they are still alive in the TV

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Speaker 1: and I'm not up to date on what they're up to.

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Speaker 1: It hurts me.

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Speaker 2: It's actually distress. It would be disrespectful for me to

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Speaker 2: not watch, and just like that, it would be disrespectful

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Speaker 2: to like where I came from, and it would be

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Speaker 2: disrespectful frankly to the United States of America.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like, okay, so what am I also not

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Speaker 1: going to go home for Christmas? Like you have to

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Speaker 1: you have to see your parents.

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Speaker 3: Like okay, I do, Okay, I feel that, but yeah,

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Speaker 3: I mean, I'm just I love Sex and City so.

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Speaker 2: Much, I like, but you don't watch them just like that.

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Speaker 3: I fell off, like I got I think I actually

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Speaker 3: like got bored, and I was like, that's like the

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Speaker 3: real that's like the actual like disinterest is just like

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Speaker 3: I I'm like, I actually could not I could not

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Speaker 3: keep up. But but yeah, I mean love Sex and

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Speaker 3: City I taught. Speaking of trying to be fun, I

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Speaker 3: taught an episode of Sex and City this this quarter

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Speaker 3: and and and wow anyway, which episode the carrier dates

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Speaker 3: of Bye Guy? Oh classic, just like amazing, amazing brunch

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Speaker 3: table conversation of course, Samantha.

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Speaker 4: You know, well I'm a trisexual. You know.

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Speaker 3: It's just like he'll try anything. It's just like it's

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Speaker 3: so it was as picture perfect.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Wow.

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Speaker 2: Do you feel like the sort of like twenty twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty tens move towards studying pop culture was ultimately detrimental

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Speaker 2: for society because then everyone felt like they were a professor.

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Speaker 3: I mean, in my like grumpiest times, I'm like, yes,

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Speaker 3: if only because no, I'm not gonna go off, but like,

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Speaker 3: like you know, we they're like things like happen in

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Speaker 3: in like legal things will happen in the news, and

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Speaker 3: like the first thing like legal like lawyers will like

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Speaker 3: come on to Twitter and be like very grumpy and like,

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Speaker 3: actually everyone's talking about copyright law and nobody knows anything

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Speaker 3: about you know, will actually like blah blah blah blah.

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Speaker 3: And I kind of feel a little bit like, you know,

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Speaker 3: I'm not telling medical people how to do their medicine.

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Speaker 3: I'm not telling insert other profession that I can't think about.

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Speaker 3: But you know, every profession has some sort of expertise.

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Speaker 3: Right in my like grumpious moments, I'm like, well, you know,

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Speaker 3: being able to look at a film and talk about

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Speaker 3: it competently.

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Speaker 4: Is actually a skill. Yeah, that like some people possess.

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Speaker 3: But then even that is just like also kind of

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Speaker 3: like a really boring complaint because it's like, you know,

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Speaker 3: I don't know that's that seems unequal in some way

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Speaker 3: or like at a prejudice.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's almost the definition of elitism.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, perhaps they have.

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Speaker 5: A word for that.

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Speaker 2: No, but okay, but you're also pointing to again the

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Speaker 2: double bind of the humanity is where you just can't

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Speaker 2: you literally can't win either way, Like you can't win

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Speaker 2: by being, you know, sort of taking on the elitist

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Speaker 2: position because then you're elitist and you also can't win

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Speaker 2: by being like, well everybody can do this, because then

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Speaker 2: it's like, right, then why do they pay you to

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Speaker 2: do it?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, to be fair, I am as critical of you know,

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Speaker 1: English professors as I am of doctors.

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Speaker 4: And that's true egalitarianism.

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Speaker 1: You know, there's doctors they really think they can just

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Speaker 1: tell you anything.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Sam hates doctors.

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Speaker 1: This is my new thing.

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Speaker 4: I love. This is a new thing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well Sam had. Sam was in the hospital recently

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Speaker 2: and he really got to know doctors up close and personal.

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Speaker 2: It's sort of like you know when I was in

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Speaker 2: grad school for two years and then came out being

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Speaker 2: like academics need help. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I've seen doctors up close in action, and I'm

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Speaker 1: sort of like, uh huh. So you guys are also

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Speaker 1: sort of riffing.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so we agree that they like don't do anything right.

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Speaker 1: No, they're horrible.

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Speaker 2: There's maybe like one expert. It's like with doctors, it's

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Speaker 2: like there's one expert in Switzerland who like you want

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Speaker 2: to see because he's the one or she is the

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Speaker 2: one good doctor. But then everyone else is sort of

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Speaker 2: like it's giving adjunct.

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Speaker 1: They also just like actively I think they have like

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Speaker 1: a disdain for their patients in a way where they're like,

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Speaker 1: if you're like I'm feeling this, they're instantly like, honey,

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Speaker 1: you don't know what you're feeling, and it's like, no,

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Speaker 1: I actually do. Like, unfortunately, this is a listening exercise

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Speaker 1: and you have to, you know, take an improv class, sweetie,

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Speaker 1: because it's time of Yes, I am my feelings.

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Speaker 3: I think they're just a little bit too laid back

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Speaker 3: for me to be so.

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Speaker 2: Hair doctors as a whole, doctors.

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Speaker 3: Doctors as a whole, I'll say, I mean, yeah, I

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Speaker 3: think everyone has their like, uh confrontation with the medical

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Speaker 3: industrial complex, as it were. For me, it happened in

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Speaker 3: college when I had MONO and I came in and

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Speaker 3: I I was so sure, speaking of like doubting personal testimony,

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Speaker 3: I was so sure at mono.

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Speaker 4: Of course I had done the web MD thing. My

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Speaker 4: lymph nodes.

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Speaker 3: Were just like my neck was like twice the size

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Speaker 3: of it, and I was like, I feel weak.

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Speaker 4: I'm pretty sure I have MONO.

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Speaker 3: I'm also, you know, I'm in a PhD program, like

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Speaker 3: I you know, I'm not like going to be hysterical

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Speaker 3: about this. And the doctor was like, yeah, I mean maybe,

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Speaker 3: but you know. And I was like, I'm running a

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Speaker 3: marathon in two weeks, Like, I you know, I need

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Speaker 3: to know because I heard it's dangerous to try to exercise.

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Speaker 4: He's like, I don't know. Maybe you have it, maybe

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Speaker 4: you don't. Worst case, maybe you do.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 2: It was just like, yeah, worst case you do, case

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Speaker 2: you don't.

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Speaker 3: I was like, okay, cool, I feel like I could

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Speaker 3: have also made that sort of deduction.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that was like, then test me, like, you know, the.

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Speaker 2: Hardest thing to come by in our culture answers. No

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Speaker 2: one has them. No one has no matter how many

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Speaker 2: degrees you have.

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Speaker 1: I think that actually could be an incredible segue into

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Speaker 1: a first segment, which is all about providing answers.

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Speaker 2: I provide answers and being rated for it.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Lauren, our first segment is called straight Shooters, and

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Speaker 1: in this segment, we will ask you a series of

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Speaker 1: rapidfire questions to gauge your familiarity with and complicity and

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Speaker 1: straight culture. It's basically this thing or this other thing,

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Speaker 1: and the only rule is you can ask any follow

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Speaker 1: up questions or we will get so pissed at you

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Speaker 1: that you're gonna be like.

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Speaker 2: We're going to leave you bad reviews on rate my

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Speaker 2: professors dot com.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no student will ever take your class again. You'll

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Speaker 1: be forced to do a Taylor Swift class.

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Speaker 2: Well, I've happened to know I from following on social media.

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Speaker 2: You are kind of a swifty I am.

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Speaker 3: I am a bit of a swift, ye, though, I

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Speaker 3: do have to say I feel like I had like

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Speaker 3: a tweet the other day that I thought was pretty good. Sorry,

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Speaker 3: that's like obnoxious to say, but I think that like

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Speaker 3: the swifty Overton window has shifted so much that like

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Speaker 3: even my degree of fandom no longer qualifies as a.

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Speaker 4: Swifty totally, because I have a totally.

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Speaker 3: You know, semi unhealthy sort of attachment to her music

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Speaker 3: and her stardom versus whatever it's become now.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, versus being institutionalized in the American horror story asylum. Okay, Sam,

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Speaker 2: take it away?

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Speaker 1: Oh okay, Lauren, killers of the Flower Moon or winners

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Speaker 1: of Name that tune?

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Speaker 4: Name That Tune?

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Speaker 2: Okay Lauren failing a touring test or signing an email.

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Speaker 1: Best oh m best, Okay Lauren saying I have intergenerational trauma,

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Speaker 1: or saying I get it from my mama.

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Speaker 4: I get it from my mama.

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Speaker 2: Okay, updating your iOS or queer baiting with your massive breasts.

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Speaker 4: I'll pick cleer baiting.

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Speaker 1: M Okay, a cultural shift or a Vulture dot com list.

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Speaker 2: Nice, Oh, I.

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Speaker 4: Do love I do love Vulture. I do love a

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Speaker 4: Vulture dot com list.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, the Fast and the Furious or congrats he's

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Speaker 2: by curious.

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Speaker 1: That one spoke to me.

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Speaker 4: Congrats he's by curious.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Okay, May the force be with you, May the

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Speaker 1: odds be ever in your favor, or maybe she's born

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Speaker 1: with it. Maybe it's Maybeleine Nice.

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Speaker 4: May the odds ever be in your or whatever.

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Speaker 2: The Hunger Games thing is, okay, if you know, you know,

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Speaker 2: if you build it, they will come.

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Speaker 5: Or that one.

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Speaker 1: Wow, I love a multimedia presentation that is amazing.

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Speaker 2: Wow wow Wow. I got so nervous that I had

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Speaker 2: it that I like rehearsed having it pause at the

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Speaker 2: right moment, and I'm literally shaking because I was like,

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Speaker 2: what if it didn't work? Then when I play, you

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Speaker 2: guys looked a little confused because I think the sound

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Speaker 2: was not immediately apparent, and I was like, I fucked

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Speaker 2: it up. I fucked it up.

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Speaker 1: No, I think you completely nailed that, and I think

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Speaker 1: you're pushing the straight shooters game to hire and hire heights.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: So, Lauren, we read our guests on a scale of

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Speaker 1: one to one, zero to one thousand doves, and George,

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Speaker 1: how do you think she did?

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Speaker 2: Okay? I mean the thing is, I do think we

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Speaker 2: have to be even stricter than normal because we are

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Speaker 2: dealing with like an actual sort of professional thinker, which

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Speaker 2: most of our guests are not. So I think if

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Speaker 2: this was like I think, if Lauren was open my comedian,

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Speaker 2: i'd say one thousand doves. But you know, in this

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Speaker 2: day and age, I think it's I think it's gonna

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Speaker 2: have to be like nine to twenty.

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Speaker 4: Okay, wow, so a curve that actually that hurts me.

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah pretty much.

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean one hundred percent agree George is always

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Speaker 1: right and I would never question him.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's still really good.

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Speaker 5: That's amazing.

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Speaker 2: Okay. I do want to get to our topic because

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Speaker 2: I want to before we get into it. I really

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Speaker 2: want to get into the list of topics you sent

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Speaker 2: because I would say it is, in fact, I'm gonna

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Speaker 2: say this confidently the number one best list of topics

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Speaker 2: we have gotten. I mean the most comprehensive broad there's

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Speaker 2: range within it. I mean the PhD jumped.

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Speaker 4: Out, Yes it was, it's a bit much.

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Speaker 2: But the thing is, I think it could be a

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00:33:56,880 --> 00:34:00,040
Speaker 2: bit much if you had like over intellectualized it. But

658
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:02,040
Speaker 2: actually you met us exactly where we are, and all

659
00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:04,040
Speaker 2: of these topics would like make sense on the pot.

660
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:05,320
Speaker 2: It's not like you came in and you were like,

661
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:06,720
Speaker 2: my topic is aphic theory.

662
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:08,759
Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, yeah, that'd be well.

663
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Speaker 3: I like, I just like had a little bit of

664
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:14,960
Speaker 3: anxiety and like the second after I sent them, because

665
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:18,520
Speaker 3: it reminded me of this time when my friends are

666
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:20,880
Speaker 3: having a Halloween party and they were looking for like

667
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:25,880
Speaker 3: playlist suggestions for songs and I literally sent them.

668
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 4: Basically like a fully executed party playlist and they're like, Okay, well,

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Speaker 4: maybe pick a couple.

670
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:38,880
Speaker 3: Of selections from this, but appreciate the enthusiasm.

671
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:44,920
Speaker 1: Wow, I mean, George, should we read the whole thing

672
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:45,640
Speaker 1: or should we pick?

673
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:49,879
Speaker 2: Like, okay, you I maybe I can read the whole

674
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:51,520
Speaker 2: thing from beginning to end, and then maybe we can

675
00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:53,759
Speaker 2: pick a couple to do like one sentence.

676
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:55,040
Speaker 1: About how about that? Okay?

677
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:57,720
Speaker 2: Okay, So I'm just gonna read the whole thing from beginning. Okay,

678
00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:07,919
Speaker 2: cruise control slash identity, nuance, the expression you guys, blackout Wednesday, backpacks,

679
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:13,520
Speaker 2: touch tunes slash digital jukeboxes, happy Hour, creative nonfiction, voting,

680
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:18,400
Speaker 2: Getting Fired Up, book covers, parentheses, the blob, especially philanthropy

681
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:22,960
Speaker 2: slash donating money audiobooks. Remember when Seinfeld Housewives, it's the

682
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:27,240
Speaker 2: thought that counts water parks and amusement parks in general,

683
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:31,040
Speaker 2: going through the motions. That's a favorite of mine. Taylor

684
00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:37,360
Speaker 2: Swift parentheses, Galer's aside running Mimosa's chain hotels, a nude lip,

685
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:40,279
Speaker 2: team sports, and the expression go big or go home.

686
00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:43,239
Speaker 1: Wow. Wow, so comprehensive.

687
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Speaker 2: So at first we were like, my first instinct was

688
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:50,080
Speaker 2: to do identity because I was like, we need to

689
00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:52,400
Speaker 2: have the final word on identity on this podcast.

690
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:55,799
Speaker 1: And then I was like, well, that actually feels like

691
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:59,359
Speaker 1: it might be too nuanced of a conversation to have.

692
00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:02,160
Speaker 2: And Lauren in fact said the opposite, because Lauren, you

693
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:04,719
Speaker 2: were like, no, it's it's so odd.

694
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:06,600
Speaker 4: It's like it's so.

695
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:12,040
Speaker 3: Self evident that, like, you know, straight people have I

696
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:14,200
Speaker 3: have identity.

697
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:18,239
Speaker 2: Have identities and queer people don't, but like.

698
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:21,280
Speaker 3: The idea of like, oh, imagine like a straight person

699
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:25,160
Speaker 3: like holding really steadfast to like how they choose to

700
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:28,839
Speaker 3: think of themselves or how the world sees them.

701
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:29,200
Speaker 4: You know.

702
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:30,960
Speaker 1: Yeah.

703
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:33,719
Speaker 2: Also, my theory for this was going to be like

704
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:38,560
Speaker 2: identity is straight, but action is queer. It's like clinging

705
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:41,880
Speaker 2: onto an identity is a very straight thing, whereas to me,

706
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:46,200
Speaker 2: the queer thing is in fact, enacting that identity in

707
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:47,240
Speaker 2: specific ways.

708
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:51,040
Speaker 1: Yes, so you're saying, you're saying, like, oh you're by well,

709
00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:52,640
Speaker 1: then go hook up with someone of the same stuff.

710
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:56,440
Speaker 2: Literally, that is exactly what I'm saying, And like I.

711
00:36:57,280 --> 00:36:59,760
Speaker 3: Like almost have what I is maybe like a smart

712
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:03,120
Speaker 3: it's just say a smart version of that, But.

713
00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:08,120
Speaker 1: I would be interested to hear. No, George needed to

714
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:08,440
Speaker 1: hear that.

715
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:11,040
Speaker 6: I did need to know, Like I think this like

716
00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:14,200
Speaker 6: actually like does have to do with you know how

717
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 6: like people use the word performative like incorrectly it's a performative,

718
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:21,600
Speaker 6: and that like performativity is actually about like words that

719
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:26,440
Speaker 6: do do things versus like the way he's performative now,

720
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:29,120
Speaker 6: which is like means like fake or like posturing or

721
00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:31,839
Speaker 6: like saying you're an ally and like not actually doing

722
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:36,400
Speaker 6: ally ship. So that's like the yeah, I guess like

723
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:39,759
Speaker 6: citational to what you were saying.

724
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:43,960
Speaker 2: Exactly, and it's sort of like performative. The real performative

725
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:45,920
Speaker 2: is queer and the fake performative is straight.

726
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:49,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, just like just like Butler said.

727
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:53,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Butler, he's always said that.

728
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:56,640
Speaker 1: What's one of them that spoke to me that we're

729
00:37:56,640 --> 00:38:01,440
Speaker 1: not going to do is water parks. I think I

730
00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:04,359
Speaker 1: think that really spoke to me because there is you know,

731
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:07,680
Speaker 1: to me, a water park could easily be LGBTQ plus,

732
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:12,440
Speaker 1: Like there's something so whimsical and you know, clothing clothing

733
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:15,520
Speaker 1: optional about a water park that I'm like, right, this

734
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:18,160
Speaker 1: is a queer space to sort of let your freak

735
00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:21,120
Speaker 1: flag fly. But that actually is never what they are,

736
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:24,520
Speaker 1: and in fact, they're deeply, deeply conservative, and the promise

737
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:27,240
Speaker 1: of the queerness of a water park is what makes

738
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:28,480
Speaker 1: it even straighter.

739
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Speaker 2: I would almost say the promise is not even there.

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Speaker 1: It's it's it's bathing culture, it's it's it's it's beautiful,

741
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:37,600
Speaker 1: it's community.

742
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:40,520
Speaker 2: So sure, I mean you're thinking of like a why yes,

743
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:43,359
Speaker 2: I mean it's also so children like if you're gonna

744
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:45,279
Speaker 2: let your freak flag fly at the water park, you're

745
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:47,920
Speaker 2: gonna get arrested for publican decency.

746
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Speaker 4: And also like I mean water parks to me invoke Wisconsin.

747
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:57,040
Speaker 5: For some reason, and so well the Dells.

748
00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:59,319
Speaker 3: The Dells of course, it also like a lot of

749
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:01,600
Speaker 3: like water park in the Midwest, such as they even

750
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:04,320
Speaker 3: still exist, I feel like they should probably not exist anymore.

751
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:09,000
Speaker 3: Are very like interior, so that also like adds another

752
00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:12,520
Speaker 3: level of like sort of like indoor hotel pool kind

753
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:16,360
Speaker 3: of vibes, which is also I think to me, very family,

754
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:22,920
Speaker 3: very kids, very like chlorine, which is a smell that

755
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:25,200
Speaker 3: I don't dislike to be honest.

756
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:27,480
Speaker 1: But yeah, it actually really speaks to me.

757
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:32,160
Speaker 2: They're also dirty in a non sexual way, like they're

758
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:35,080
Speaker 2: just dirty. You can't be turned on by the kind

759
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:37,520
Speaker 2: of dirty a water park is, whereas you actually can

760
00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:39,239
Speaker 2: be turned on by the kind of dirty like a

761
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:40,719
Speaker 2: locker room shower, right, or a.

762
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:45,640
Speaker 1: Bathroom yeah yeah, or bath yeah yeah, we're like a

763
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:47,040
Speaker 1: toilet filled with ship.

764
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:53,960
Speaker 2: Okay, So then should we get to the topic that way?

765
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:56,160
Speaker 2: I guess we can. Yeah, yeah we can't, Yeah we should.

766
00:39:56,239 --> 00:40:01,160
Speaker 2: We should get to it. The Blob book covers Blob

767
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:05,160
Speaker 2: is also fun, but we can't we can't get into it. Yeah, okay,

768
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:08,879
Speaker 2: So the topic we decided on is happy hour, which

769
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:11,920
Speaker 2: I actually think is a it is broad enough to

770
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:14,720
Speaker 2: really encapsulate a lot of stuff we want to talk about.

771
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:18,200
Speaker 2: So I guess, Lauren, like in a few sentences like

772
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Speaker 2: what inspired you about happy hour? And what do you

773
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:21,840
Speaker 2: think makes it straight?

774
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:26,200
Speaker 3: There's a lot of points of entry here. So, first

775
00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:30,879
Speaker 3: of all, happy hour completely exists within the constellation of

776
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:35,040
Speaker 3: like work wife, work husband, which to me is just

777
00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:39,960
Speaker 3: like the straightest configuration of a work relationship. Like literally

778
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:43,320
Speaker 3: we cannot think of a colleague relationship outside of the

779
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:48,399
Speaker 3: kind of marriage for and like that is is very

780
00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:50,600
Speaker 3: you know, all of that is like very present in

781
00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:54,600
Speaker 3: happy hour. It's like this idea of a of a

782
00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:59,040
Speaker 3: kind of faux community. It's not real. It's having drinks

783
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:00,680
Speaker 3: with literally people you work with.

784
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:03,520
Speaker 4: It's very uh I was.

785
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:06,680
Speaker 3: Gonna say, very alcoholic. I mean, but it also is

786
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:10,719
Speaker 3: it's it's permission to kind of like fuck off the

787
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:13,560
Speaker 3: end of the workday and just like hang out with

788
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:17,480
Speaker 3: these people who you maybe like but like don't like,

789
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:19,000
Speaker 3: and it's and you're in.

790
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:23,399
Speaker 4: Your work clothes and at like I don't know.

791
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:28,360
Speaker 3: Like a sports bar hub and no one's dancing, but

792
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:34,320
Speaker 3: people are getting like progressively drunker and more like rowdy.

793
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:36,360
Speaker 2: I will say totally.

794
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:42,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think this really does speak to me. This

795
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:45,320
Speaker 1: one really jumped out to me. I think, like because

796
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:47,239
Speaker 1: I think when I was like when I first moved

797
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:49,719
Speaker 1: to New York City, there was something I really romanticized

798
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:51,719
Speaker 1: about the happy hour. Or I was like, damn, when

799
00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:53,439
Speaker 1: you were going to the happy hour, your life must

800
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:55,920
Speaker 1: be so together. You go to work, you go to

801
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:57,920
Speaker 1: happy hour, you go home, you go to sleep, you

802
00:41:57,960 --> 00:41:59,719
Speaker 1: do it all over again. And I was like that

803
00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:02,439
Speaker 1: really sounds like nice. But then I was like, that's

804
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:05,840
Speaker 1: like it is almost fantasizing about the traditional family. Like

805
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:08,440
Speaker 1: you're like, like media has told me I want this,

806
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:12,080
Speaker 1: and I actually don't want this. Like what I actually

807
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:14,400
Speaker 1: want is like to go out to dinner with a

808
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:17,960
Speaker 1: friend and like have like a meaningful moment or like

809
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:21,399
Speaker 1: like or like there's an assumption with a happy hour

810
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:24,799
Speaker 1: that like you're not doing anything that night, and like

811
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:27,960
Speaker 1: this is the final stop. This is your hour of

812
00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:32,280
Speaker 1: you know, socializing before you go back to your rules. Yeah,

813
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:35,520
Speaker 1: and yeah, I don't think we we tie ourselves down

814
00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:37,680
Speaker 1: in such a way.

815
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:41,160
Speaker 2: The way that it is so regimented and built into

816
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:44,000
Speaker 2: a day that is assumed to be a certain way,

817
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:48,040
Speaker 2: like the way it assumes conformity is very straight. It

818
00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:51,400
Speaker 2: is also sort of like recess or nap time for adults.

819
00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:54,399
Speaker 2: Like there's something very infantalizing about it. Even the name

820
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:57,960
Speaker 2: happy hour actually sounds like something out of orwell, like

821
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 2: it's like there's a fascistic government and they are allowed

822
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:04,759
Speaker 2: one one hour of happiness every day and if you

823
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:08,000
Speaker 2: go even one minute past that, you will get shot

824
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:11,480
Speaker 2: on the street. And so there's like that there, there's

825
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:14,800
Speaker 2: a sort of like it's very the lady doth protest

826
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:17,880
Speaker 2: too much like happy hour? Are you sure is that happy?

827
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:18,759
Speaker 1: Because it actually.

828
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:21,040
Speaker 2: Sounds kind of sad the concept of a happy hour.

829
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:27,919
Speaker 2: And also, okay, the deals are never that good. No,

830
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:30,640
Speaker 2: actually sometimes they are, but often they are not.

831
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:32,800
Speaker 4: They are, but they're not.

832
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:34,960
Speaker 2: Like they'll be like yeah, it's like two dollars off

833
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:37,319
Speaker 2: of well drinks, right, or like.

834
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:40,759
Speaker 3: The good happy hour deals are not actually at the

835
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:45,640
Speaker 3: places where happy hour takes place. Yeah, So like the

836
00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:50,760
Speaker 3: like in Chicago, like the downtown, in the Loop around

837
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:53,680
Speaker 3: the Loop, like those kinds of places where people go

838
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:57,359
Speaker 3: for happy hour at least used to pre pandemic, and

839
00:43:57,400 --> 00:44:00,759
Speaker 3: but like those places are already overpriced. So it's like

840
00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:05,000
Speaker 3: your happy hour is paying maybe what is like close

841
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:08,960
Speaker 3: to a humane price for like a draft beer or whatever.

842
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:11,399
Speaker 3: And I also am saying all this as someone who

843
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:13,560
Speaker 3: like adorees happy hour.

844
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:19,920
Speaker 2: Oh of course it needs to be said. It needs Yeah. Well,

845
00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:25,719
Speaker 2: also like this the how finite it is, like there's

846
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:28,120
Speaker 2: this sort of scarcity mindset where the entire time, you're

847
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:30,440
Speaker 2: like the clock is chicking, when are we gonna get

848
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:33,280
Speaker 2: that final drink because it's about to be two dollars

849
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:34,040
Speaker 2: more expensive.

850
00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:39,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, the scarcity mindset does stress me out. I also

851
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:43,239
Speaker 1: like when you get to a bar and you look

852
00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:45,800
Speaker 1: at the menu and you see the happy hour prices

853
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:47,919
Speaker 1: and you see what you're about to pay, it does

854
00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:50,120
Speaker 1: hurt my feelings. Like there is an element of me

855
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:51,640
Speaker 1: where it's like, you know what, I'm going to come

856
00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:54,399
Speaker 1: back here one day on happy hour and I'm they're

857
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:56,000
Speaker 1: not going to get away with what they're about to

858
00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:58,360
Speaker 1: do to me, like I'm getting their deal and I

859
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:00,640
Speaker 1: never ever do, but I do fantasy about it. And

860
00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:03,359
Speaker 1: it's cool that they show you what you could be having, right, And.

861
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:06,080
Speaker 3: Have you ever had the situation where you know you're

862
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:09,360
Speaker 3: meeting someone up for happy hour and it's like the

863
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:11,480
Speaker 3: clock I mean speaking of a clock, like the clock

864
00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:15,240
Speaker 3: is ticking and they get there with maybe ten minutes

865
00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:16,879
Speaker 3: to spare, and you're just like you.

866
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:19,920
Speaker 4: Got to order as though, like the as though, like.

867
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:24,759
Speaker 3: The drinks become just like astronomically more expensive, and or

868
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:27,279
Speaker 3: you were going to get tossed out and you're like

869
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:28,319
Speaker 3: should we double fist?

870
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:29,359
Speaker 4: Should you be triple fis?

871
00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:29,759
Speaker 3: Like what?

872
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:30,799
Speaker 5: You know?

873
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:34,080
Speaker 3: That kind of that kind of urgency around happy hour

874
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:36,840
Speaker 3: also makes it somewhat of a manic atmosphere.

875
00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:38,120
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.

876
00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:41,360
Speaker 1: Absolutely when you're like two minutes after happy hour and

877
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:44,759
Speaker 1: the bartender's like actually flexible and he's like you know what,

878
00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:47,040
Speaker 1: You're like, I'll give you the happy hour deal. Still,

879
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:50,320
Speaker 1: I the way that I'm just like you have saved

880
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:54,000
Speaker 1: my life, and like I was like, what's your address?

881
00:45:54,040 --> 00:45:55,360
Speaker 1: I'm sending you a Christmas present?

882
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:56,120
Speaker 7: Like what?

883
00:45:57,280 --> 00:46:00,600
Speaker 1: It's weird how that like small gesture seems like the

884
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:01,720
Speaker 1: biggest stretchure on earth.

885
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:07,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm like there's something about the specific ho it's

886
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:11,840
Speaker 2: meant to be obviously the hour between work and dinner, presumably,

887
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:15,400
Speaker 2: And there is something about that hour that actually, like

888
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:18,880
Speaker 2: almost it is a scary time because you're in this

889
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:21,200
Speaker 2: liminal space where you are not sure what to do.

890
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:23,239
Speaker 2: And there's something about the concept of a happy hour

891
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:25,120
Speaker 2: that it's like it's almost like the government being like,

892
00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:28,479
Speaker 2: here's your bottle, don't question it. Like in that hour,

893
00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:31,839
Speaker 2: if we actually liberated ourselves in that hour, we could

894
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:35,080
Speaker 2: actually like come up, we could actually collectively organize that.

895
00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:39,120
Speaker 3: Actually like brings to mind a question, is that is

896
00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:42,640
Speaker 3: that like the idea behind happy hour, Like the presumption

897
00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:45,799
Speaker 3: is that you have you have dinner plans, and you

898
00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:49,160
Speaker 3: have dinner plans in a part of the city that

899
00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:51,319
Speaker 3: would make it not make sense for you to go

900
00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:55,600
Speaker 3: all the way home, change or whatever and like come back.

901
00:46:56,120 --> 00:46:58,960
Speaker 3: Because I actually don't know if I've ever been in

902
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:03,000
Speaker 3: a happy hour situation where I had like an evening

903
00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:05,600
Speaker 3: to get to like that, this was like a like

904
00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:09,400
Speaker 3: a way station. It's like happy hour swallows the evening,

905
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:10,880
Speaker 3: like it becomes the evening.

906
00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:14,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess that is. I mean, I mean when

907
00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:17,520
Speaker 2: I was visiting Sam's parents, they do cocktail hour every

908
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:21,080
Speaker 2: afternoon or like yeah, like sort of post work, which

909
00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:23,759
Speaker 2: I did not grow up with in my family. And

910
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:26,120
Speaker 2: I was like, what, so this is the point of

911
00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:28,719
Speaker 2: a happy hour. Actually it's to have a cocktail before

912
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:29,600
Speaker 2: it's time for dinner.

913
00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:30,480
Speaker 1: Yeah.

914
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:33,959
Speaker 4: Oh I love, I love, I love cocktail hour.

915
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:36,960
Speaker 1: I mean it's very chic. There can be something very

916
00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:41,600
Speaker 1: chic about it. I'm trying to think, like it's like

917
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:44,040
Speaker 1: fun to rail against happy hour. Of course there's a

918
00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:47,640
Speaker 1: million things to rail against. But I'm also like, in

919
00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:52,600
Speaker 1: like a healthy like labor market, we do get to

920
00:47:52,719 --> 00:47:55,440
Speaker 1: have a hat, Like there is something where it's like, no,

921
00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:58,319
Speaker 1: we actually have to fight for happy hour. We have

922
00:47:58,360 --> 00:47:59,960
Speaker 1: to fight for five pm we are out of the

923
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:02,279
Speaker 1: office and we are able to go to a bar.

924
00:48:02,719 --> 00:48:05,520
Speaker 2: Sure, yeah, because it.

925
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:08,840
Speaker 3: Does allow because otherwise, I guess otherwise you might just

926
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:11,480
Speaker 3: continue working, especially if it's like a happy hour on

927
00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:12,920
Speaker 3: like a Thursday.

928
00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:17,480
Speaker 4: A Thursday happy hour is something I think that's a

929
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:18,160
Speaker 4: little special.

930
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:23,839
Speaker 2: Thursday happy hour is queer. Well, there's a happy hour.

931
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:26,600
Speaker 1: I mean there is the magical moment when you're like okay,

932
00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:28,399
Speaker 1: I'll go to happy hour and you have like two

933
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:31,200
Speaker 1: drinks and then you're like all in and you're like, Okay,

934
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:33,240
Speaker 1: actually we're going and we're going to have an amazing

935
00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:35,680
Speaker 1: night now and we're not going to stop until it's

936
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:39,040
Speaker 1: nine pm. You're like, that is a magical feeling.

937
00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:44,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean okay. So happy hour is embedded within

938
00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:50,239
Speaker 2: a sort of like downtown office culture inherently, like as

939
00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:53,160
Speaker 2: you were saying, Lauren, like the places that have happy

940
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:56,280
Speaker 2: hours are the overpriced places that cater to a business

941
00:48:56,320 --> 00:49:00,920
Speaker 2: casual crowd. So in that sense it's so neoliberal, it's

942
00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:03,799
Speaker 2: so capitalist, blah blah. But in the other sense, a

943
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:06,560
Speaker 2: happy hour is so worker friendly because it's not the

944
00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:09,240
Speaker 2: CEO is not going to happy hour. So a happy

945
00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:13,960
Speaker 2: hour is actually a place where the proletariat can congregate

946
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:17,320
Speaker 2: and actually organize and potentially found a new political party

947
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:19,600
Speaker 2: centered around equality and justice for all.

948
00:49:20,239 --> 00:49:23,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, like I'm imagining you know, you're planning the revolution

949
00:49:23,600 --> 00:49:25,680
Speaker 3: around like a like a in a big beer.

950
00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:30,239
Speaker 2: Hall, right exactly. Yeah, even in aparol sprits and it's

951
00:49:30,280 --> 00:49:32,200
Speaker 2: three dollars off, which does.

952
00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:36,360
Speaker 4: I mean that's like, uh, it does occur to me.

953
00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:40,000
Speaker 3: Also that you know, the dream of happy hour was

954
00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:45,200
Speaker 3: also for me largely a dream for like a good

955
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:47,960
Speaker 3: portion of my twenties. It became like the way that

956
00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:51,280
Speaker 3: I could like have us shared language with my friends

957
00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:54,760
Speaker 3: who like had real jobs while I was in grad school.

958
00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:59,040
Speaker 3: So like, for me, totally happy hour was Actually it

959
00:49:59,080 --> 00:50:02,359
Speaker 3: wasn't actual like russing up event because I would be

960
00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:05,120
Speaker 3: in I would be in my apartment all day, so

961
00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:07,600
Speaker 3: I'm just like, let me know when to meet you guys,

962
00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:09,200
Speaker 3: and I would like put on my little outfit and

963
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:11,879
Speaker 3: like do my makeup and whatever, and everyone talks about

964
00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:16,719
Speaker 3: their jobs and I'm like nodding and not not really participating,

965
00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:20,520
Speaker 3: but there was I think something about I think also

966
00:50:20,560 --> 00:50:24,160
Speaker 3: the fantasy of happy hour is like the fantasy of

967
00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:25,680
Speaker 3: living in a city.

968
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:27,640
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, well it's sex and the city.

969
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:30,880
Speaker 1: Yes, it's sex and the city. It's even friends. I

970
00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:33,040
Speaker 1: would argue, it's got it all.

971
00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:37,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I okay. It's so evocative what you're saying, learn

972
00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:39,520
Speaker 2: about like being the one person who doesn't have a

973
00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:41,719
Speaker 2: traditional job or who is a freelancer or who is

974
00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:45,000
Speaker 2: between jobs, or who like has a job that is

975
00:50:45,040 --> 00:50:47,080
Speaker 2: not an office job or whatever you have to like

976
00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:50,520
Speaker 2: you almost feel like you're living a lie to be like, well,

977
00:50:50,520 --> 00:50:53,759
Speaker 2: I'm getting dressed up in my home at three pm,

978
00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:55,719
Speaker 2: Like I'm taking a shower at three pm in order

979
00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:58,359
Speaker 2: to make this happy hour at five pm. And I

980
00:50:58,360 --> 00:51:00,920
Speaker 2: guess I have this dirty secret that I wasn't in

981
00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:03,120
Speaker 2: an office all day, but everyone else was, right.

982
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:06,480
Speaker 3: Because you also because you can't. I think the clothes

983
00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:10,480
Speaker 3: features so heavily in that, because the idea is you're

984
00:51:10,520 --> 00:51:14,320
Speaker 3: coming straight from work, so everyone's in their business casual.

985
00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:17,680
Speaker 3: But then it's like, what is what is business casual?

986
00:51:17,719 --> 00:51:19,040
Speaker 2: But what are you going to do? Where a bit

987
00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:21,399
Speaker 2: like put on business casual so that you can fit

988
00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:23,160
Speaker 2: in with the people that don't even want to be

989
00:51:23,160 --> 00:51:23,920
Speaker 2: in business casual.

990
00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:31,319
Speaker 3: No, that's absurd, right, yeah, yeah.

991
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:34,160
Speaker 4: It's also I also want to sorry. I'll also say.

992
00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:38,319
Speaker 3: The sort of like additional portion of the fantasy is

993
00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:41,799
Speaker 3: like the going from day to night of it all.

994
00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:46,319
Speaker 3: I don't know if this was a familiar part of

995
00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:50,560
Speaker 3: your upbringing, but like in magazines like seventeen in Cosmo,

996
00:51:50,920 --> 00:51:53,840
Speaker 3: there's like always this like how to take a look.

997
00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:54,680
Speaker 4: From day to night.

998
00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:57,080
Speaker 3: Here's what you do to your makeup that you put

999
00:51:57,160 --> 00:51:59,960
Speaker 3: on this morning so that it's fit to be seen

1000
00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:05,120
Speaker 3: by like the night life folk or whatever. And much

1001
00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:08,239
Speaker 3: like quicksand I just thought this would feature so much

1002
00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:12,120
Speaker 3: heavily in my like day to day as an adult

1003
00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:15,359
Speaker 3: than it actually has, because it turns out, you know,

1004
00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:19,520
Speaker 3: when people go out for happy hour, like they don't care,

1005
00:52:19,719 --> 00:52:21,600
Speaker 3: like they're not actually looking for you to turn into

1006
00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:23,400
Speaker 3: a fashionista or something.

1007
00:52:24,040 --> 00:52:27,600
Speaker 1: You know. The only day to night I have to

1008
00:52:27,640 --> 00:52:30,640
Speaker 1: deal with in my current life is like in the summer,

1009
00:52:31,160 --> 00:52:33,480
Speaker 1: when it's like going from day to night, where like

1010
00:52:33,719 --> 00:52:37,120
Speaker 1: day gay guy is like little shorts, little tank top,

1011
00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:40,600
Speaker 1: and you're like, you know, dressed like a like a

1012
00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:44,000
Speaker 1: bartender at a gay bar. And then like it's like

1013
00:52:44,120 --> 00:52:46,000
Speaker 1: nighttime and you're like going to meet up with friends

1014
00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:50,120
Speaker 1: somewhere normal, and you're like, wait, I actually I need

1015
00:52:50,160 --> 00:52:52,759
Speaker 1: to dress down a little bit, like I'm dressed so

1016
00:52:53,400 --> 00:52:59,239
Speaker 1: like yeah, like a farm boy who's like sexuality.

1017
00:52:59,320 --> 00:53:01,680
Speaker 2: I almost feel like it's funny, Like I feel like

1018
00:53:01,719 --> 00:53:06,080
Speaker 2: what in seventeen or Cosmo or whatever. I would assume

1019
00:53:06,080 --> 00:53:10,040
Speaker 2: what women are told is to find an office appropriate

1020
00:53:10,080 --> 00:53:13,120
Speaker 2: look that can potentially translate well to the nighttime, whereas

1021
00:53:13,120 --> 00:53:16,080
Speaker 2: I think gay guys, especially now, the solution is actually

1022
00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:19,520
Speaker 2: just show up to work in a club outfit, like

1023
00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:22,080
Speaker 2: it's the opposite where rather than being like, how can

1024
00:53:22,120 --> 00:53:23,960
Speaker 2: I find a business casual outfit that I can wear

1025
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:26,759
Speaker 2: to the club, it's literally like, well, which of these

1026
00:53:26,840 --> 00:53:30,239
Speaker 2: like jockstraps can I actually wear on its own to

1027
00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:32,840
Speaker 2: you know my job at Deutsche Bank.

1028
00:53:33,120 --> 00:53:35,080
Speaker 4: Throw like just throw a blazer on it.

1029
00:53:36,239 --> 00:53:37,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.

1030
00:53:37,840 --> 00:53:39,319
Speaker 1: I did work at J Crew when I first sim

1031
00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:41,560
Speaker 1: to New York, and I love telling people like, oh

1032
00:53:41,560 --> 00:53:44,520
Speaker 1: and it's perfect for day tonight. Like I just be

1033
00:53:44,560 --> 00:53:47,640
Speaker 1: able to say that was so fun. It felt like

1034
00:53:47,719 --> 00:53:49,360
Speaker 1: so informed when it really meant nothing.

1035
00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:53,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it does mean something, is the thing that's

1036
00:53:53,120 --> 00:53:55,880
Speaker 2: true because you don't want to be wearing khakis at

1037
00:53:56,080 --> 00:54:00,920
Speaker 2: like at the big party, the big party.

1038
00:54:00,800 --> 00:54:04,120
Speaker 1: At the big party that we're all going to. Well

1039
00:54:04,239 --> 00:54:06,160
Speaker 1: in the same way that like, I know that I

1040
00:54:06,200 --> 00:54:09,560
Speaker 1: can fantasize about fast casual food because I'm like, you know,

1041
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:13,080
Speaker 1: office people eat this every day, but I you know,

1042
00:54:13,120 --> 00:54:15,560
Speaker 1: I haven't had like an office job, a traditional like

1043
00:54:15,680 --> 00:54:18,800
Speaker 1: long term office job, so I don't eat it that often.

1044
00:54:18,840 --> 00:54:20,680
Speaker 1: Like when I eat it's because I'm going to midtown

1045
00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:23,200
Speaker 1: for something on purpose, and so it feels kind of

1046
00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:25,520
Speaker 1: novel and happy. Aur feels that way to me too,

1047
00:54:25,719 --> 00:54:28,920
Speaker 1: I wonder if you are like an office person and

1048
00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:31,720
Speaker 1: your life will be in an office, do you get

1049
00:54:31,760 --> 00:54:33,960
Speaker 1: sick of happy hour or does it become a chore?

1050
00:54:34,680 --> 00:54:36,200
Speaker 1: Is it something you don't like?

1051
00:54:36,719 --> 00:54:41,759
Speaker 4: Unfortunately? I mean I am not qualified to because I

1052
00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:43,480
Speaker 4: still don't have a normal job.

1053
00:54:46,280 --> 00:54:49,920
Speaker 2: I feel like it depends on, like, okay, a lot

1054
00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:52,680
Speaker 2: of things depend on this. It depends on how inherently depressing,

1055
00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:57,200
Speaker 2: how inherently depressing you find day to day life, you

1056
00:54:57,280 --> 00:54:59,320
Speaker 2: know what I mean? Like, I actually think if you

1057
00:54:59,520 --> 00:55:02,920
Speaker 2: just are a little are not super critical, and are

1058
00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:07,120
Speaker 2: just like enjoying your job at the big online digital company,

1059
00:55:07,680 --> 00:55:09,840
Speaker 2: and you are going to happy, You're like, how fun?

1060
00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:13,160
Speaker 2: I worked so hard today. I absolutely slayed that presentation.

1061
00:55:13,719 --> 00:55:16,799
Speaker 2: I got a really good mid year review. Yeah, I'm

1062
00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:20,520
Speaker 2: gonna go like have a Campari sprits, which I read

1063
00:55:20,560 --> 00:55:23,520
Speaker 2: on you know, eater is better than an apparel sprits

1064
00:55:23,640 --> 00:55:26,319
Speaker 2: at my job? Whoopsies, don't tell anyone I'm reading Eater

1065
00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:29,400
Speaker 2: at my job. I'm so crazy. My name's Natalie and

1066
00:55:29,480 --> 00:55:33,240
Speaker 2: so and so. For her, I think it never gets suppressing.

1067
00:55:33,280 --> 00:55:36,560
Speaker 2: But for someone who like already hates their coworkers and

1068
00:55:36,719 --> 00:55:38,880
Speaker 2: is just like so sick of their job, They're like,

1069
00:55:38,920 --> 00:55:40,640
Speaker 2: are you fucking kidding me? I have to go and

1070
00:55:40,760 --> 00:55:43,920
Speaker 2: also drink with them, right, Because it's also like everything,

1071
00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:45,640
Speaker 2: it's sort of it's it's.

1072
00:55:45,400 --> 00:55:47,600
Speaker 4: It's compulsory a bit, right.

1073
00:55:47,719 --> 00:55:52,040
Speaker 3: It's that like part of like the the intangibles of

1074
00:55:52,120 --> 00:55:56,040
Speaker 3: like fit and culture and like soft skills, where like

1075
00:55:56,080 --> 00:55:59,080
Speaker 3: if you don't go to the routine happy hours, it's like,

1076
00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:01,959
Speaker 3: are you going to be a team player on this

1077
00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:07,200
Speaker 3: like project to I don't know, do something probably destructive

1078
00:56:07,360 --> 00:56:08,719
Speaker 3: to the planet, you know.

1079
00:56:08,840 --> 00:56:11,759
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, I mean it's like the fridge full of

1080
00:56:11,800 --> 00:56:14,399
Speaker 2: free snacks, Like, yeah, I like the free No one

1081
00:56:14,440 --> 00:56:16,720
Speaker 2: can say, I know, I don't like the free snacks,

1082
00:56:16,760 --> 00:56:17,880
Speaker 2: but I hate what they represent.

1083
00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:25,640
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, the the the other I'm not sure if

1084
00:56:25,640 --> 00:56:28,760
Speaker 7: it's even sort of like more interesting aspects of happy

1085
00:56:28,760 --> 00:56:32,200
Speaker 7: hour is I do wonder what what happy hour in

1086
00:56:32,280 --> 00:56:34,680
Speaker 7: the suburbs is, Like, I mean, I don't I don't

1087
00:56:34,680 --> 00:56:38,240
Speaker 7: really wonder, but it is it's kind of a black

1088
00:56:38,280 --> 00:56:40,399
Speaker 7: box to me, I don't know what goes on there,

1089
00:56:40,440 --> 00:56:43,360
Speaker 7: but I do know that like the Applebee's and the

1090
00:56:43,480 --> 00:56:47,520
Speaker 7: Chili's have a lot of happy hour and like type deals,

1091
00:56:48,120 --> 00:56:49,120
Speaker 7: which is always.

1092
00:56:49,560 --> 00:56:51,080
Speaker 1: Like Dollar Market, right, which is.

1093
00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:55,480
Speaker 3: Always confounding because the parking lot is bigger than the restaurant.

1094
00:56:55,520 --> 00:56:57,080
Speaker 4: So I'm like, what do we do?

1095
00:56:58,760 --> 00:57:05,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, well everyone is having extramarital affs at a suburban Applebee's.

1096
00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:07,959
Speaker 1: Well that's where it gets LGBTQ plus again.

1097
00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:11,719
Speaker 2: I kind of agree, like, yeah, there's actually something more

1098
00:57:11,800 --> 00:57:16,640
Speaker 2: sexy about a midwestern Applebee's than about like a like

1099
00:57:16,640 --> 00:57:19,240
Speaker 2: a sort of mediocre Manhattan bar.

1100
00:57:19,800 --> 00:57:23,200
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, Well it's such a rebellion in the suburbs.

1101
00:57:23,240 --> 00:57:26,320
Speaker 1: I feel like you are, like you're you're pretty much

1102
00:57:26,840 --> 00:57:29,680
Speaker 1: Iggy Pop, you know, exactly going to the to the bar,

1103
00:57:29,840 --> 00:57:33,320
Speaker 1: to Applebee's for a happy hour. Damn damn. And not

1104
00:57:33,400 --> 00:57:36,439
Speaker 1: to mention you're Iggy Popp, you're also rebellious. And since

1105
00:57:36,440 --> 00:57:40,439
Speaker 1: that you are drunk driving home, doesn't get more rebellious

1106
00:57:40,120 --> 00:57:40,760
Speaker 1: to the great.

1107
00:57:40,800 --> 00:57:46,520
Speaker 3: That's the great unsaid about suburban totally.

1108
00:57:46,760 --> 00:57:49,480
Speaker 1: I mean the way that this is always confused me,

1109
00:57:49,600 --> 00:57:52,080
Speaker 1: Like whenever I think about, you know, so many people

1110
00:57:52,120 --> 00:57:55,240
Speaker 1: live in places where they are driving everywhere, and I'm like, okay,

1111
00:57:55,240 --> 00:57:57,560
Speaker 1: but what do you do? Bars still exists there, what

1112
00:57:57,600 --> 00:58:01,000
Speaker 1: do you do? And they're like shy, no one's gonna

1113
00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:02,840
Speaker 1: say it. No one's gonna say what you do.

1114
00:58:03,320 --> 00:58:05,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, never ask a woman her age, a man his salary,

1115
00:58:05,840 --> 00:58:07,920
Speaker 2: or someone who lives in the Midwest. If they drive drunk,

1116
00:58:10,360 --> 00:58:10,840
Speaker 2: it is.

1117
00:58:11,000 --> 00:58:13,520
Speaker 1: Crazy to me. Somebody's got to wake it up.

1118
00:58:14,280 --> 00:58:17,640
Speaker 2: Do we think happy hour is more or less straight

1119
00:58:17,720 --> 00:58:20,440
Speaker 2: than brunch because I feel like they occupy a similar

1120
00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:23,960
Speaker 2: space in the popular imagination as like things that are

1121
00:58:24,040 --> 00:58:27,520
Speaker 2: so forcefully meant to be fun that if you're a

1122
00:58:27,560 --> 00:58:30,000
Speaker 2: quote unquote actually cool, you rebel against them.

1123
00:58:30,280 --> 00:58:33,400
Speaker 1: I think it's more straight because there is the work element.

1124
00:58:33,440 --> 00:58:35,680
Speaker 1: I think brunch, whether you have a job or not,

1125
00:58:35,880 --> 00:58:36,760
Speaker 1: you can go to brunch.

1126
00:58:38,320 --> 00:58:38,840
Speaker 2: That's true.

1127
00:58:39,320 --> 00:58:42,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, brunch, I think I will say this. I think

1128
00:58:42,720 --> 00:58:45,360
Speaker 3: brunch is getting straighter.

1129
00:58:45,760 --> 00:58:47,480
Speaker 4: Is that like a one?

1130
00:58:48,320 --> 00:58:51,840
Speaker 3: It's almost like it it's like, uh, you know, circling

1131
00:58:51,920 --> 00:58:55,480
Speaker 3: back where you know the idea of brunch, Not that

1132
00:58:55,560 --> 00:58:59,560
Speaker 3: I know anything about the origins of this meal seem

1133
00:58:59,640 --> 00:59:04,560
Speaker 3: like they originate in like a very straight like hetero

1134
00:59:04,960 --> 00:59:10,040
Speaker 3: plays country clubs, country club yes, like Lenen and like

1135
00:59:10,880 --> 00:59:15,680
Speaker 3: Chanel whatever, and then you know became I mean like

1136
00:59:16,080 --> 00:59:21,000
Speaker 3: brunch on sex and the city is like that is queer, right, yes,

1137
00:59:21,040 --> 00:59:24,600
Speaker 3: But then now like like the drag brunch of it all,

1138
00:59:24,680 --> 00:59:27,800
Speaker 3: which like you would think would be clear, is actually

1139
00:59:27,800 --> 00:59:29,400
Speaker 3: like one of the straightest things you can do.

1140
00:59:30,080 --> 00:59:33,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's I mean, I'm sorry to use this archetype,

1141
00:59:33,760 --> 00:59:39,400
Speaker 2: but it's very almost Karen like brunch now is like

1142
00:59:39,680 --> 00:59:40,640
Speaker 2: Republican white women.

1143
00:59:40,840 --> 00:59:47,120
Speaker 3: Yes, it's for it's for that, like distinctly for that demographic,

1144
00:59:48,200 --> 00:59:50,720
Speaker 3: for the you know, the fans.

1145
00:59:50,440 --> 00:59:52,480
Speaker 4: Of of of well.

1146
00:59:52,320 --> 00:59:56,000
Speaker 3: Fans of Beyonce who you know, listen to single ladies

1147
00:59:56,000 --> 00:59:57,400
Speaker 3: and like nothing else.

1148
00:59:59,320 --> 00:59:59,760
Speaker 2: Totally.

1149
01:00:00,360 --> 01:00:03,640
Speaker 1: The happy hour and brunch binary is interesting because I

1150
01:00:03,640 --> 01:00:07,320
Speaker 1: do think brunch is for you know, discussing in the

1151
01:00:07,360 --> 01:00:09,400
Speaker 1: sex and the city sense. It's for discussing sex. It's

1152
01:00:09,400 --> 01:00:12,480
Speaker 1: for discussing you know, how wild your night was, how

1153
01:00:12,480 --> 01:00:17,720
Speaker 1: wild your weekend is going. And a happy hour is

1154
01:00:17,920 --> 01:00:20,760
Speaker 1: a way is not about you are not discussing sex.

1155
01:00:20,800 --> 01:00:24,840
Speaker 1: You are discussing work. But it does get there is

1156
01:00:24,880 --> 01:00:28,400
Speaker 1: the trope of it getting sexy, like it blurs a lot,

1157
01:00:28,480 --> 01:00:32,320
Speaker 1: like you like enter real personality again within happy hour

1158
01:00:32,600 --> 01:00:34,640
Speaker 1: and sometimes too rapidly and try to hook up with

1159
01:00:34,640 --> 01:00:36,280
Speaker 1: your coworker exactly.

1160
01:00:36,360 --> 01:00:40,480
Speaker 3: It's like it's you're like slowly you know, watching like

1161
01:00:40,520 --> 01:00:46,240
Speaker 3: the evolution of like work personality to real life personality

1162
01:00:46,360 --> 01:00:50,080
Speaker 3: or like night life personality, and the you know, not

1163
01:00:50,200 --> 01:00:50,760
Speaker 3: to rely.

1164
01:00:50,600 --> 01:00:52,920
Speaker 4: On cliches, but like the ties get loosened.

1165
01:00:52,920 --> 01:00:55,040
Speaker 3: I mean, no one even wears ties anymore, but the

1166
01:00:55,120 --> 01:00:59,040
Speaker 3: like proverbial tie, and like the blazer, which again I

1167
01:00:59,040 --> 01:00:59,960
Speaker 3: don't think people wear.

1168
01:01:00,560 --> 01:01:08,160
Speaker 2: Like pagonia vest is getting unzipped. Yeah yeah, like yeah,

1169
01:01:08,240 --> 01:01:10,600
Speaker 2: I mean I almost am like does that make it

1170
01:01:10,680 --> 01:01:14,640
Speaker 2: more queer in that it's this like it's a spectru

1171
01:01:14,680 --> 01:01:18,680
Speaker 2: It's it's this halfway point on the spectrum where one

1172
01:01:18,760 --> 01:01:20,840
Speaker 2: end is professional and one end is you know, your

1173
01:01:20,840 --> 01:01:24,360
Speaker 2: private life, your your personal life. Like it is, there's

1174
01:01:24,400 --> 01:01:28,280
Speaker 2: a sort of like almost like uh, you know, eighties

1175
01:01:28,360 --> 01:01:32,040
Speaker 2: nineties erotic thriller excitement to a happy hour?

1176
01:01:32,080 --> 01:01:34,280
Speaker 1: Happy hour? Is cruising a happy hour? Is it's the

1177
01:01:34,320 --> 01:01:37,120
Speaker 1: seventies and you are cruising Central Park like.

1178
01:01:38,440 --> 01:01:40,840
Speaker 2: Because well maybe it's that that's the promise of it,

1179
01:01:40,960 --> 01:01:44,120
Speaker 2: but then the reality of it is so not that

1180
01:01:44,120 --> 01:01:46,360
Speaker 2: that that is what makes it straight Like it it's

1181
01:01:46,400 --> 01:01:48,680
Speaker 2: supposed to have all this possibility, I mean it's literally

1182
01:01:48,840 --> 01:01:51,520
Speaker 2: happy hour, and then you get there and you're just

1183
01:01:51,560 --> 01:01:56,680
Speaker 2: sort of like okay, like maybe next time, I guess

1184
01:01:56,720 --> 01:01:58,960
Speaker 2: I'm not hooking up with Brian again or you know

1185
01:01:59,280 --> 01:02:00,800
Speaker 2: this this Tuesday.

1186
01:02:01,320 --> 01:02:03,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I think, yeah, okay, the spectrum thing

1187
01:02:03,680 --> 01:02:06,840
Speaker 3: I think has has has some legs. Like if we

1188
01:02:06,880 --> 01:02:12,360
Speaker 3: think about like the most like uh like archetypical, Like

1189
01:02:13,720 --> 01:02:15,880
Speaker 3: I was gonna say like don Draper, but that that's

1190
01:02:15,920 --> 01:02:17,640
Speaker 3: not even like because that's not happy hour.

1191
01:02:17,720 --> 01:02:22,040
Speaker 2: That's like that's like what what lunch?

1192
01:02:22,120 --> 01:02:25,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, But if we think about like a man who

1193
01:02:25,880 --> 01:02:31,400
Speaker 3: has a job and a family, which totally many of

1194
01:02:31,440 --> 01:02:36,960
Speaker 3: them existing, right, It's like he he leaves work, so

1195
01:02:37,000 --> 01:02:41,960
Speaker 3: he is no longer like he's no longer like employee, coworker, whatever.

1196
01:02:42,520 --> 01:02:46,200
Speaker 3: He's not yet home, right, so he's not dad. He's

1197
01:02:46,240 --> 01:02:49,440
Speaker 3: still not dad. He's still not father, he's still not husband.

1198
01:02:50,280 --> 01:02:51,640
Speaker 3: It's like, what is he doing?

1199
01:02:51,760 --> 01:02:52,280
Speaker 4: Happy hour?

1200
01:02:52,360 --> 01:02:53,080
Speaker 1: Wow?

1201
01:02:53,760 --> 01:02:54,360
Speaker 4: Something else?

1202
01:02:55,560 --> 01:02:58,040
Speaker 2: You know? Happy hour is where he can just be Brian.

1203
01:02:59,400 --> 01:03:03,400
Speaker 1: That is so powerful. Actually yeah, now I really say

1204
01:03:03,480 --> 01:03:05,200
Speaker 1: happy hours. We need it now we'll Yeah.

1205
01:03:05,520 --> 01:03:07,480
Speaker 2: Happy hours is sort of I mean it's a it's

1206
01:03:07,480 --> 01:03:11,840
Speaker 2: a place for straight people to do identity play, like

1207
01:03:11,880 --> 01:03:13,360
Speaker 2: they can just be anyone they want.

1208
01:03:16,040 --> 01:03:18,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean we talk about like you know, like

1209
01:03:18,840 --> 01:03:20,680
Speaker 1: queer people have to be like, you know, in the clubs,

1210
01:03:20,680 --> 01:03:22,840
Speaker 1: I found myself and I was able to be like

1211
01:03:23,120 --> 01:03:25,360
Speaker 1: to express myself in this way and like, yes, I

1212
01:03:25,400 --> 01:03:27,000
Speaker 1: was fucked up, but it was like honest and it

1213
01:03:27,040 --> 01:03:29,880
Speaker 1: was real. And it's like that's happy Hour for Brian.

1214
01:03:30,920 --> 01:03:32,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I love that for him.

1215
01:03:33,360 --> 01:03:33,960
Speaker 4: He needs it.

1216
01:03:35,360 --> 01:03:39,200
Speaker 1: He needs it just as much as anybody else. Wow.

1217
01:03:39,400 --> 01:03:40,440
Speaker 1: Well that was powerful.

1218
01:03:43,320 --> 01:03:44,960
Speaker 2: This is like a quintus. I feel like this is

1219
01:03:44,960 --> 01:03:48,080
Speaker 2: such a quintessential straight topic. Yeah, Like I'm like, talk

1220
01:03:48,120 --> 01:03:52,680
Speaker 2: about a great prompt for some theorizing somewhere out there.

1221
01:03:53,000 --> 01:03:57,240
Speaker 2: You know, all the apic theorists are shaking in their

1222
01:03:57,240 --> 01:04:00,960
Speaker 2: boots and their affected little boots and they're little booths.

1223
01:04:03,480 --> 01:04:07,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, we're the poptimists of happy Hour. I love it.

1224
01:04:07,560 --> 01:04:10,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, there we go. We always get there in the end.

1225
01:04:10,640 --> 01:04:11,240
Speaker 1: We do.

1226
01:04:16,480 --> 01:04:19,200
Speaker 2: Should we do our final segment? Yeah, I'm trying to think.

1227
01:04:19,240 --> 01:04:21,800
Speaker 2: I was sort of. I had one moment where I

1228
01:04:21,840 --> 01:04:25,200
Speaker 2: was like dissociating because I realized I didn't have anything

1229
01:04:25,200 --> 01:04:26,120
Speaker 2: for a final segment.

1230
01:04:26,600 --> 01:04:29,360
Speaker 1: But yeah, I don't have anything either, But let me

1231
01:04:29,400 --> 01:04:30,280
Speaker 1: think for one second.

1232
01:04:30,680 --> 01:04:32,800
Speaker 2: I'll explain what it is. So Laura and our final segment,

1233
01:04:32,840 --> 01:04:35,040
Speaker 2: as you know, is called shout outs, and we pay

1234
01:04:35,080 --> 01:04:38,280
Speaker 2: homage to the radio shout out, the classic straight oral

1235
01:04:38,360 --> 01:04:42,480
Speaker 2: tradition that has been passed down from generations from Brian

1236
01:04:42,560 --> 01:04:46,440
Speaker 2: to Brian all the way to us today. And you know,

1237
01:04:46,720 --> 01:04:48,600
Speaker 2: traditionally we do think of it on the spot, and

1238
01:04:48,640 --> 01:04:54,840
Speaker 2: sometimes that is easier than others. Sam, do you have one.

1239
01:04:55,320 --> 01:04:57,240
Speaker 1: I can do it. I can do what I mean?

1240
01:04:57,840 --> 01:04:58,640
Speaker 2: Are you sure?

1241
01:04:59,080 --> 01:05:04,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's it's it's mid but we'll try it. Okay, okay,

1242
01:05:04,560 --> 01:05:09,040
Speaker 1: go ahead, Okay, what's up everybody? Good morning, good afternoon,

1243
01:05:09,080 --> 01:05:11,560
Speaker 1: and good night. I want to give a huge shout

1244
01:05:11,600 --> 01:05:15,720
Speaker 1: out to tea. That's right, I SIPs tea. I'm drinking

1245
01:05:15,760 --> 01:05:19,920
Speaker 1: tea these days. You know, since I have had my

1246
01:05:20,200 --> 01:05:22,920
Speaker 1: medical issues, I think my blood is still not back

1247
01:05:22,920 --> 01:05:25,680
Speaker 1: to normal, to be quite honest. So I have had

1248
01:05:25,720 --> 01:05:28,560
Speaker 1: coffee and it makes me so anxious now and immediately

1249
01:05:28,640 --> 01:05:31,280
Speaker 1: fucks my whole self up. So I'm drinking tea and

1250
01:05:31,320 --> 01:05:34,400
Speaker 1: it's much easier on my body. No, I don't feel

1251
01:05:34,400 --> 01:05:38,280
Speaker 1: the rush shout out choice devon, but I do feel,

1252
01:05:38,520 --> 01:05:41,760
Speaker 1: you know, there's something about doing a little bit less.

1253
01:05:42,200 --> 01:05:42,360
Speaker 7: You know.

1254
01:05:42,600 --> 01:05:44,960
Speaker 1: I'm I'm in a scaling back era and sort of

1255
01:05:44,960 --> 01:05:46,880
Speaker 1: being like, you know, maybe I don't need to go

1256
01:05:47,080 --> 01:05:49,400
Speaker 1: buck wild on a cold brew. Maybe I can just

1257
01:05:49,480 --> 01:05:52,800
Speaker 1: have seven teas throughout the day maintain sort of a

1258
01:05:52,840 --> 01:05:57,800
Speaker 1: calm buzz and that is enough. I'm I'm I'm pulling

1259
01:05:57,840 --> 01:06:01,200
Speaker 1: back in every way, shape and form. I'm sort of

1260
01:06:01,240 --> 01:06:08,880
Speaker 1: living my post I don't know, post something lifestyle and

1261
01:06:09,120 --> 01:06:12,280
Speaker 1: it's weird and it's a little bit disappointing, but I

1262
01:06:12,320 --> 01:06:15,320
Speaker 1: do I am enjoying the tea element. So shout out

1263
01:06:15,360 --> 01:06:20,880
Speaker 1: to tea and needless to say, I spilled xoxo Sam.

1264
01:06:21,000 --> 01:06:23,160
Speaker 2: Wow, that's great.

1265
01:06:24,000 --> 01:06:29,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, well it's confusing, I do. Miss I'm I

1266
01:06:29,960 --> 01:06:33,200
Speaker 1: am in a transitional era in this. Yeah, my medical

1267
01:06:33,200 --> 01:06:37,560
Speaker 1: issue whatever whatever it is, has like you know, physically

1268
01:06:37,640 --> 01:06:40,280
Speaker 1: changed me a little bit, and I'm like, I want

1269
01:06:40,320 --> 01:06:42,520
Speaker 1: to get back to who I was, But right now

1270
01:06:42,520 --> 01:06:46,800
Speaker 1: I'm a little bit like cautious in every way, in

1271
01:06:46,840 --> 01:06:50,600
Speaker 1: a way that I don't enjoy actively, but it is

1272
01:06:50,640 --> 01:06:55,680
Speaker 1: like an interesting thing to perceive myself through.

1273
01:06:56,080 --> 01:06:58,160
Speaker 4: There are worse things than becoming a tea person.

1274
01:06:58,960 --> 01:07:01,200
Speaker 2: People are greatly.

1275
01:07:01,640 --> 01:07:04,360
Speaker 1: Some, but some tea people are so annoying.

1276
01:07:06,040 --> 01:07:09,320
Speaker 2: Tea I have to say, like tea is very grad

1277
01:07:09,480 --> 01:07:10,480
Speaker 2: school coded to me.

1278
01:07:11,160 --> 01:07:15,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's yeah, well because it's not well not to

1279
01:07:16,120 --> 01:07:20,200
Speaker 3: admit my my coffee preferences, but it's like tea is

1280
01:07:20,240 --> 01:07:22,760
Speaker 3: like not, it's not real. It's like it's not a

1281
01:07:22,800 --> 01:07:28,200
Speaker 3: real caffeinated beverage. Right, Oh, don't drink you know, black

1282
01:07:28,240 --> 01:07:30,080
Speaker 3: tea at night? You know black tea has I'm like,

1283
01:07:30,320 --> 01:07:33,520
Speaker 3: come on, come on, yeah, let's get real.

1284
01:07:33,640 --> 01:07:35,440
Speaker 1: Let's get real. I can absolutely drink black tea at

1285
01:07:35,480 --> 01:07:35,840
Speaker 1: night and.

1286
01:07:35,800 --> 01:07:39,200
Speaker 2: Go yeah, talk about snowflake vibes. People saying you can't

1287
01:07:39,280 --> 01:07:42,080
Speaker 2: drink black tea at night. It's like, how about try

1288
01:07:42,200 --> 01:07:44,000
Speaker 2: actually entering the real world for a second.

1289
01:07:44,480 --> 01:07:47,760
Speaker 1: There's something about tea. Also, like someone holding a tea

1290
01:07:47,800 --> 01:07:50,640
Speaker 1: cup and like dipping their little tea bag. I'm like,

1291
01:07:50,840 --> 01:07:53,000
Speaker 1: so you're judging me. There's an element. I'm like, so

1292
01:07:53,080 --> 01:07:53,920
Speaker 1: you think you're better than me?

1293
01:07:54,120 --> 01:07:56,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, literally SIPs tea.

1294
01:07:56,240 --> 01:07:58,720
Speaker 4: But also like admit, like that, what does that do?

1295
01:07:58,840 --> 01:07:59,360
Speaker 4: That doesn't do?

1296
01:08:00,160 --> 01:08:03,160
Speaker 3: You're either has to steep. What does like bouncing up

1297
01:08:04,000 --> 01:08:05,440
Speaker 3: up and down? Does that do anything?

1298
01:08:05,760 --> 01:08:06,680
Speaker 2: People need to do?

1299
01:08:06,840 --> 01:08:07,560
Speaker 1: Bounce in it?

1300
01:08:07,680 --> 01:08:12,360
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah please, yeah, no, you're totally right.

1301
01:08:12,560 --> 01:08:14,840
Speaker 1: Wow, I'm glad we brought this up. Actually, don't shout

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Speaker 1: out stea, fuck tea and if you drink tea, in

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Speaker 1: the words of our friends Pat and Kat, seek treatment. SI.

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Speaker 2: Okay, all right, I really do need to I really

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Speaker 2: do need to. Okay, I can, I can, I can

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Speaker 2: do a shout out. Okay, what's up, readers, that's right,

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Speaker 2: I'm getting back into books. People, you know, fans at

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01:08:37,800 --> 01:08:39,960
Speaker 2: home might know that I have been reading the book

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Speaker 2: The Beast Thing by Paul Murray. It is like if

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Speaker 2: Jonathan Franzen was irish and also not annoying, and I

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01:08:47,400 --> 01:08:48,880
Speaker 2: am enjoying the hell out of it. But let me

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Speaker 2: tell you something. There is a full on one hundred

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Speaker 2: and fifty page section that has no punctuation, and it

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01:08:55,120 --> 01:08:57,000
Speaker 2: is meant to represent that the woman who is doing

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01:08:57,040 --> 01:09:00,640
Speaker 2: the narrator narrating is so like stressed and anxious and

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01:09:00,800 --> 01:09:02,880
Speaker 2: everything is going in my limited that you can't even

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Speaker 2: pause to put a comment in a period. And while

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Speaker 2: I do appreciate the formal experimentation as a reader, I

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01:09:11,000 --> 01:09:14,080
Speaker 2: did not enjoy that. And so basically my shout out

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Speaker 2: is to me last night finishing that section, which again

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Speaker 2: was almost two hundred pages of no punctuation in a

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Speaker 2: feminist way, because it's narrated by a woman. So shout

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Speaker 2: out to punctuation. I've just changed my shoutout. Actually it's

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01:09:27,200 --> 01:09:30,360
Speaker 2: not the book. Shout out to punctuation, the way we

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Speaker 2: know how to read something. You know, as Joni Mitchell

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01:09:33,640 --> 01:09:35,720
Speaker 2: was once said, you don't know what you got till

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01:09:35,800 --> 01:09:39,400
Speaker 2: it's gone. And in the sample from that Janet Jackson song,

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Speaker 2: and so basically shout out to punctuation. You actually can

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01:09:43,400 --> 01:09:45,679
Speaker 2: do so much with it. I'm talking commas, Sammy Colan's,

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01:09:45,720 --> 01:09:50,800
Speaker 2: Colon's even periods, question marks, exclamation points, and you know,

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01:09:50,840 --> 01:09:52,960
Speaker 2: when you're trying to be cool by being all lowercase

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Speaker 2: and no punctuation over text, check your privilege, because punctuation

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01:09:56,320 --> 01:10:01,080
Speaker 2: is important, and punctuation is is how we know how

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01:10:01,120 --> 01:10:04,120
Speaker 2: to read something. And so we need to get past

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01:10:04,200 --> 01:10:06,479
Speaker 2: this like post meaning world we're all living in. Get

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Speaker 2: back to real punctuation. And everyone needs to write texts

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01:10:09,800 --> 01:10:11,759
Speaker 2: that are written as though they're going to be published

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Speaker 2: on the New Yorker dot com. Wow, So shout out

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01:10:14,560 --> 01:10:16,759
Speaker 2: to punctuation, Shout out to the written word, which actually

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01:10:16,760 --> 01:10:19,719
Speaker 2: needs to make a comeback. And honestly, shout out to Emmelda,

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01:10:19,800 --> 01:10:22,080
Speaker 2: the character in my book that doesn't use punctuation, because

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Speaker 2: I get where you're coming from, girl, and I totally

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01:10:24,400 --> 01:10:26,080
Speaker 2: understand it. It's just as a reader, I was not

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01:10:26,120 --> 01:10:26,759
Speaker 2: able to relate.

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Speaker 1: Whoo. I love that. I actually punctuation is an interesting

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01:10:31,640 --> 01:10:35,160
Speaker 1: thing because I obviously I do stand punctuation. I think

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01:10:35,200 --> 01:10:39,240
Speaker 1: it does help, but I actually don't stand punctuation rules.

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Speaker 1: I'm sort of like, no, no, no, like as long

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Speaker 1: as you're like making it make sense, I actually do stand.

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Speaker 2: I do stand punctuation.

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Speaker 1: Rules because I'm like, I've to me, you know, affect theory.

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01:10:50,479 --> 01:10:52,600
Speaker 1: That's how I feel about punctuation. I'm like, does it

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Speaker 1: make me feel like I'm understanding the sentence?

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Speaker 3: So like a comma splice like do not recognize it?

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Speaker 1: Or rather encouraging, like when there's like when you're like,

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Speaker 1: oh is it a semi colon or a colon that

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01:11:05,720 --> 01:11:08,400
Speaker 1: goes here? It's like, babe, whatever you want, Like, I'll

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Speaker 1: get it. I think the sentence won't make sense whether

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01:11:10,760 --> 01:11:12,280
Speaker 1: whether or not it's a colon or semi colon.

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Speaker 2: I would say to me, A like a carefully placed

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01:11:15,600 --> 01:11:19,160
Speaker 2: com I can almost be like passive aggressive, it can

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01:11:19,240 --> 01:11:21,920
Speaker 2: be like it can it can be a wink.

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Speaker 1: Well that I don't disagree with. I more mean like

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Speaker 1: the if.

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Speaker 2: Oh you mean like someone being like that's wrong? Yeah,

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01:11:29,320 --> 01:11:31,720
Speaker 2: oh totally No, of course it's it's a mode of

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01:11:31,720 --> 01:11:33,439
Speaker 2: self expression like anything else. Exactly.

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Speaker 4: I love a semi that's my favorite me too, I would.

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Speaker 1: Say, yeah, colonist.

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Speaker 2: Talk about queer semi colon is probably the most queer punctuation.

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Speaker 1: I mean quite literally.

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Speaker 2: Okay, you're ready, you have a shout out?

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Speaker 4: I guess I do.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 4: Is there like a time thing?

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01:11:56,560 --> 01:11:58,200
Speaker 1: No, just go for as long as you want. Okay,

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Speaker 1: we put a little soundtrack under it.

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Speaker 3: Okay, this is probably going to be a little bit sure,

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01:12:04,280 --> 01:12:08,800
Speaker 3: but I will go for it. Hey, everyone out there, Hey,

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01:12:09,760 --> 01:12:12,720
Speaker 3: just wanted to shout out the young gentleman who was

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Speaker 3: sitting next to me on the plane ride that I

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Speaker 3: took yesterday evening.

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01:12:18,360 --> 01:12:21,840
Speaker 4: I was wanting to read my book, a book of poetry.

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01:12:21,920 --> 01:12:24,240
Speaker 4: Actually I very rarely read.

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Speaker 3: Poetry, and I want to go click the little light

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01:12:27,439 --> 01:12:30,559
Speaker 3: on top of the reef of the plane, and mine

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01:12:30,600 --> 01:12:33,920
Speaker 3: was working and his was working, and despite it being dark,

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01:12:34,000 --> 01:12:37,320
Speaker 3: in him sort of being curled up with his good

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01:12:37,360 --> 01:12:40,439
Speaker 3: movie that I actually didn't pay attention to whatever it was.

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01:12:40,920 --> 01:12:43,280
Speaker 3: He turned his lane on and shown it in my

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01:12:43,320 --> 01:12:46,120
Speaker 3: direction and said that it did not bother him at all,

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Speaker 3: that it was the only light that was shining in

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Speaker 3: the completely dark plane, allowing me to continue to very

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01:12:51,640 --> 01:12:55,880
Speaker 3: obnoxiously read my poetry on like a little puddle jumper

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Speaker 3: from North Carolina to Chicago. So shout out to that man,

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01:13:00,280 --> 01:13:03,320
Speaker 3: who I'm sure it is a very chill person chill

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01:13:03,360 --> 01:13:07,120
Speaker 3: personality wherever you are, if you're listening to this, which

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01:13:07,160 --> 01:13:09,280
Speaker 3: I obviously know that you are because we had a

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Speaker 3: very long conversation.

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Speaker 4: You know, we didn't talk at all, So shout out

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01:13:12,960 --> 01:13:13,280
Speaker 4: to him.

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01:13:13,479 --> 01:13:16,839
Speaker 3: Shout out to reading reading on planes, but not to

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01:13:16,920 --> 01:13:20,679
Speaker 3: change mid shout out. But also reading on planes does

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01:13:20,760 --> 01:13:24,240
Speaker 3: make the time go faster, not slower, And it's very

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01:13:24,280 --> 01:13:26,760
Speaker 3: good if you have any flight anxiety, like I do

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01:13:27,040 --> 01:13:28,920
Speaker 3: a little bit, because you can just focus on the

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01:13:28,960 --> 01:13:30,880
Speaker 3: word and the word will get you through.

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01:13:31,680 --> 01:13:33,080
Speaker 4: And so that's that's my shout out.

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01:13:33,120 --> 01:13:37,519
Speaker 1: Wow woo wow, I mean that's incredible. You know, remember

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01:13:37,520 --> 01:13:41,439
Speaker 1: when John Krasinski had that show in the Pandemic that

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Speaker 1: was like some good news I actually think, which was

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01:13:44,720 --> 01:13:47,360
Speaker 1: obviously horrible, But I think we need that for like

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01:13:47,479 --> 01:13:51,400
Speaker 1: travel viral videos, because all travel viral videos are people

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01:13:51,439 --> 01:13:53,679
Speaker 1: like screaming and fighting in each other. I may see

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01:13:53,720 --> 01:13:55,519
Speaker 1: viral video where a man turns on a light for

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Speaker 1: the woman next to him who is reading a book.

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Speaker 2: I mean, we've literally gotten to the point where you

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Speaker 2: and I are basically desperate for upworthy, Like that is

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01:14:03,040 --> 01:14:06,599
Speaker 2: what it is. Talk about, talk about true horseshoe theory.

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01:14:06,720 --> 01:14:11,080
Speaker 2: Like everything is so annoying that actually, at this point,

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01:14:11,080 --> 01:14:13,479
Speaker 2: I would literally go to the to the good news

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01:14:13,479 --> 01:14:16,639
Speaker 2: section of the Huffington Post and just scroll the.

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01:14:16,560 --> 01:14:22,080
Speaker 3: Actually good news, not like teacher walked five miles to

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01:14:22,120 --> 01:14:24,160
Speaker 3: make sure their student could have a marker or what

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01:14:24,280 --> 01:14:25,920
Speaker 3: exactly right?

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01:14:26,000 --> 01:14:29,120
Speaker 2: Right, It's like this teacher like didn't get surgery so

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Speaker 2: she could afford to get school supplies. Right, it has

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01:14:34,200 --> 01:14:36,280
Speaker 2: to be it has to be top down. It has

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01:14:36,280 --> 01:14:39,479
Speaker 2: to be like yeah, it has to be like yeah, it.

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01:14:39,400 --> 01:14:42,479
Speaker 1: Has to be like these these employees like lied about

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01:14:42,479 --> 01:14:44,160
Speaker 1: how long they were at work and the boss didn't

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01:14:44,160 --> 01:14:45,960
Speaker 1: find out, Like yeah, I.

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01:14:46,000 --> 01:14:49,400
Speaker 4: Was thinking, like Ceo walks into the ocean or something.

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01:14:50,280 --> 01:14:53,720
Speaker 1: Totally yeah, CEO decides I'm going to give up into

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01:14:53,760 --> 01:14:54,160
Speaker 1: the ocean.

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01:14:57,800 --> 01:15:00,479
Speaker 2: Are like finally some good news. This guy that it sucks.

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01:15:02,640 --> 01:15:06,960
Speaker 1: That would be amazing. Wow, Lauren, thank you so much

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01:15:07,000 --> 01:15:08,840
Speaker 1: for doing the podcast. This is a real treat.

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01:15:08,920 --> 01:15:10,639
Speaker 2: Thank you, Thank you so much, Laurence.

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01:15:10,680 --> 01:15:13,639
Speaker 1: I think many people will think this is a happy hour.

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01:15:14,640 --> 01:15:15,519
Speaker 4: And there we have it.

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01:15:17,080 --> 01:15:21,200
Speaker 1: There we have it. Damn Well.

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01:15:21,560 --> 01:15:24,960
Speaker 2: If you're a student at Northwestern take Lauren's class, that's

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01:15:25,000 --> 01:15:26,360
Speaker 2: me trying to promote your work.

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01:15:27,600 --> 01:15:29,200
Speaker 4: Every little bit counts.

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01:15:29,760 --> 01:15:30,839
Speaker 2: Every little bit counts.

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01:15:30,880 --> 01:15:31,439
Speaker 1: So true.

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01:15:32,120 --> 01:15:32,559
Speaker 2: Amazing.

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01:15:32,640 --> 01:15:34,800
Speaker 1: Okay, cool, bye.

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01:15:35,960 --> 01:15:40,240
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01:15:47,320 --> 01:15:49,920
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