1
00:00:01,360 --> 00:00:05,560
Speaker 1: This podcast is presented by Pacific Office Automation, proud partner

2
00:00:05,559 --> 00:00:11,280
Speaker 1: of the Arizona Cardinals. Learn more at Pacificoffice dot com.

3
00:00:11,480 --> 00:00:13,520
Speaker 2: Into the uptime for the touchdown.

4
00:00:13,800 --> 00:00:16,640
Speaker 3: Hollywood Brown has been spectacular.

5
00:00:16,800 --> 00:00:18,600
Speaker 2: Honor to the five and end of the end.

6
00:00:18,600 --> 00:00:19,639
Speaker 3: Zone for the touchdown.

7
00:00:19,840 --> 00:00:24,639
Speaker 1: Welcome to Cardinals Underground, presented by Pacific Office Automation. Visit

8
00:00:24,680 --> 00:00:28,960
Speaker 1: Pacificoffice dot com. Problem solved touchdown Tyler Murray.

9
00:00:29,080 --> 00:00:31,360
Speaker 2: That defender is in multiple pieces.

10
00:00:31,440 --> 00:00:35,040
Speaker 1: All that was nasty right there right The latest news

11
00:00:35,040 --> 00:00:37,520
Speaker 1: and notes from the insiders who cover the team.

12
00:00:37,640 --> 00:00:38,720
Speaker 3: Bring it on, Break it.

13
00:00:38,680 --> 00:00:42,559
Speaker 2: On, tukdown save in. Colin swam to the ground by

14
00:00:42,600 --> 00:00:46,560
Speaker 2: fooda baker like a torpedo. He came flying into the backfield,

15
00:00:46,640 --> 00:00:47,840
Speaker 2: high skirting nobody.

16
00:00:48,040 --> 00:00:49,239
Speaker 1: Here's Paul Calvic.

17
00:00:55,240 --> 00:00:57,160
Speaker 2: Look, there are two kinds of people in this world

18
00:00:57,640 --> 00:00:59,920
Speaker 2: and only two and Danny, I'm not gonna do it again.

19
00:01:00,880 --> 00:01:03,560
Speaker 2: Two I'm not going to do it. Here on Cardinals Underground,

20
00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:06,800
Speaker 2: all brought to you by Pacific Office Automation. There are

21
00:01:06,840 --> 00:01:10,880
Speaker 2: those folks who can change their own tire and those

22
00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:13,959
Speaker 2: who cannot, or maybe those who are willing in those

23
00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:18,040
Speaker 2: who are absolutely refuse to change their own tire, Danny,

24
00:01:18,080 --> 00:01:19,880
Speaker 2: which one would you be the former of the latter.

25
00:01:20,840 --> 00:01:24,839
Speaker 4: I do not know how to change a tire, Paul drives.

26
00:01:24,840 --> 00:01:26,920
Speaker 4: My grandfather nuts that I am driving a car on

27
00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:28,880
Speaker 4: a road without knowing how to change my own tire.

28
00:01:28,959 --> 00:01:31,040
Speaker 2: So your grandfather tried and failed to teach you.

29
00:01:31,040 --> 00:01:32,520
Speaker 4: No, he never tried to teach me. I think he

30
00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:34,039
Speaker 4: wanted my dad to teach me.

31
00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:37,920
Speaker 5: Gotcha, I wanted to know how to change a tire

32
00:01:37,959 --> 00:01:40,680
Speaker 5: when I've got, you know, roadside assistance.

33
00:01:40,319 --> 00:01:42,600
Speaker 2: Right when you got the cell phone. You know, back

34
00:01:42,680 --> 00:01:45,040
Speaker 2: when I was your age, we didn't have this ability,

35
00:01:45,120 --> 00:01:47,640
Speaker 2: right you had to Now you just instantly connect with

36
00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:49,440
Speaker 2: someone and they're out there in a matter of moments.

37
00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:51,480
Speaker 6: So I do know how to change a tire. Quick

38
00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:55,320
Speaker 6: quick story. I was teaching my son, my older son,

39
00:01:55,360 --> 00:01:59,560
Speaker 6: how to drive. Had my my nice MASD six. It

40
00:01:59,640 --> 00:02:01,960
Speaker 6: was only a couple of years old at that time.

41
00:02:02,640 --> 00:02:05,080
Speaker 6: We went to the local high school parking lot.

42
00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:07,000
Speaker 2: Now was this an automatic or manual?

43
00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:09,840
Speaker 6: Automatic? I learned on a manual, but he was automatic.

44
00:02:09,919 --> 00:02:10,440
Speaker 6: Easy psy.

45
00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:13,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, kids don't know how to drive a stick these days, Calvic.

46
00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:17,079
Speaker 6: First time he's ever behind the wheel, I'm like, we're

47
00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:17,680
Speaker 6: gonna take this.

48
00:02:17,760 --> 00:02:19,360
Speaker 3: I just want you to know what.

49
00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:21,920
Speaker 6: It's like, like I don't want you going fast, and

50
00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:24,440
Speaker 6: we're we're in a parking lot with like speed bumps everywhere,

51
00:02:24,720 --> 00:02:27,080
Speaker 6: so it's not like he so we're like moving. I've

52
00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:30,920
Speaker 6: rolled down the windows. It's it's a nice day. We're

53
00:02:30,919 --> 00:02:33,480
Speaker 6: moving at like ten miles an hour, but all the

54
00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:36,640
Speaker 6: windows are down, and somehow.

55
00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:38,120
Speaker 3: He can't keep it quite straight.

56
00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:41,680
Speaker 6: And not only are there speed bumps, but there's also

57
00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:46,240
Speaker 6: like raised curbs where we're driving row and he manages

58
00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:50,680
Speaker 6: to take my front right tire and shred it at

59
00:02:50,919 --> 00:02:53,519
Speaker 6: eight miles an hour us.

60
00:02:53,600 --> 00:02:56,480
Speaker 3: I hear bang and then and then with the windows down, all.

61
00:02:56,400 --> 00:03:00,359
Speaker 6: You could hear was sh with all the the air

62
00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:04,320
Speaker 6: going out. In those days, I didn't keep my temper

63
00:03:04,880 --> 00:03:10,440
Speaker 6: as much as I do now. I never said anything

64
00:03:10,919 --> 00:03:13,360
Speaker 6: like I was like, I was like a volcano that

65
00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:14,720
Speaker 6: wasn't quite going.

66
00:03:14,840 --> 00:03:16,560
Speaker 2: You didn't need the jack. You just lifted the car

67
00:03:16,600 --> 00:03:18,480
Speaker 2: yourself because it was the rage flowing through.

68
00:03:18,520 --> 00:03:24,280
Speaker 3: You called my wife and I'm like out flattened the tire.

69
00:03:24,520 --> 00:03:25,640
Speaker 3: We're going to be a minute.

70
00:03:26,160 --> 00:03:32,720
Speaker 6: He's like scared witless, and all I can remember is saying, well,

71
00:03:33,120 --> 00:03:34,800
Speaker 6: you might as well learn how to change a tire

72
00:03:34,840 --> 00:03:37,720
Speaker 6: while we're doing this. And I got everything out and

73
00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:39,640
Speaker 6: I made him watch me how to change the tire.

74
00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:41,400
Speaker 6: So I'm pretty sure he knows how to change a tire.

75
00:03:41,520 --> 00:03:44,400
Speaker 4: Let's not sure. Stories about first time we were behind

76
00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:44,720
Speaker 4: the wheel.

77
00:03:44,960 --> 00:03:46,960
Speaker 5: One of the first time we were behind the way.

78
00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:50,000
Speaker 2: You needed a ride home? Is that what you're saying?

79
00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:53,280
Speaker 4: No, I when my dad and I like by the

80
00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:57,720
Speaker 4: middle school high school, like the track, the parking lots there,

81
00:03:58,480 --> 00:04:00,600
Speaker 4: the car was parked DA it's been picking me up

82
00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:03,280
Speaker 4: from soccer practice, and was like drive us home five

83
00:04:03,360 --> 00:04:08,040
Speaker 4: minutes max to my house. And the way the parking

84
00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:10,800
Speaker 4: where we were parked was right up against the grass,

85
00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:13,160
Speaker 4: right by the tennis courts. And I thought I had

86
00:04:13,160 --> 00:04:15,080
Speaker 4: put the car in reverse, and turns out I had

87
00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:17,960
Speaker 4: put it in drive. When then I go and I accelerate.

88
00:04:18,880 --> 00:04:21,640
Speaker 4: Thankfully I didn't run into the tennis courts, but my

89
00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:25,040
Speaker 4: dad was not happy about not paying attention to the

90
00:04:25,080 --> 00:04:27,960
Speaker 4: details when putting the car in reverse.

91
00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:32,360
Speaker 2: Buddy mine backed into another buddy of mine's driveway in

92
00:04:32,440 --> 00:04:34,400
Speaker 2: high school to said he was going to leave Bernie

93
00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:37,839
Speaker 2: marks on the guy's driveway. Oh, Jesus didn't put into drive,

94
00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:42,760
Speaker 2: hit the gas something fierce somehow because he had teenage reflexes,

95
00:04:42,920 --> 00:04:44,960
Speaker 2: went from the gas to the brake, skidded to a

96
00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:47,440
Speaker 2: stop a millimeters short of the garage door.

97
00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:48,400
Speaker 3: Oh my goodness.

98
00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:50,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, we were almost in their living room. So that

99
00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:55,000
Speaker 2: was always This is not content for Motor Trend TV.

100
00:04:55,600 --> 00:04:58,200
Speaker 2: This is actually Cardinals Underground once again, just to maybe

101
00:04:58,279 --> 00:05:02,160
Speaker 2: reintroduce the show. We are talking football and uh, well,

102
00:05:02,480 --> 00:05:04,880
Speaker 2: let's see if Grahma got run over by a reindeer.

103
00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:08,120
Speaker 2: The Cardinals run defense got run over by Kyen Williams

104
00:05:08,120 --> 00:05:10,600
Speaker 2: and Royce Freeman. I don't know if that's where you

105
00:05:10,640 --> 00:05:12,720
Speaker 2: guys want to start. It always starts with the run game.

106
00:05:12,760 --> 00:05:15,360
Speaker 2: I'm told you have to run the ball and stop

107
00:05:15,400 --> 00:05:18,720
Speaker 2: the run, and Cardinals definitely, well they didn't stop the

108
00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:21,200
Speaker 2: run and it seemed like they went away from the

109
00:05:21,279 --> 00:05:23,159
Speaker 2: run against the Rams.

110
00:05:23,640 --> 00:05:26,760
Speaker 6: Well, Kien Williams is obviously going to want to play

111
00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:28,520
Speaker 6: against the Cardinals every week if possible.

112
00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:30,760
Speaker 2: Yes, there's a reason he came off the injury just

113
00:05:30,880 --> 00:05:32,040
Speaker 2: in time for the Cardinals game.

114
00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:34,760
Speaker 6: But it was kind of strange that they got away

115
00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:36,520
Speaker 6: from the run as much as they did that James

116
00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:40,120
Speaker 6: Connor only had six carries that Kyler Murray only ran

117
00:05:40,160 --> 00:05:42,240
Speaker 6: at one time. Now, I was talking to our good

118
00:05:42,279 --> 00:05:44,720
Speaker 6: friend Craig Rielou about that and we were looking it up.

119
00:05:44,960 --> 00:05:48,240
Speaker 6: It does feel like the Rams are one of those

120
00:05:48,240 --> 00:05:51,360
Speaker 6: teams that does a really nice job of preventing Kyler

121
00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:53,760
Speaker 6: from hurting them with his legs. And if you go

122
00:05:53,839 --> 00:05:56,720
Speaker 6: back and look, I think out of like we were

123
00:05:56,720 --> 00:05:59,599
Speaker 6: looking at like the lowest rushing totals in Kyler's career,

124
00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:03,000
Speaker 6: and out of like the top fifteen lowest, like four

125
00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:05,920
Speaker 6: or five of them were Rams games. And I know

126
00:06:05,960 --> 00:06:07,880
Speaker 6: they play them more often, but I do think that

127
00:06:07,920 --> 00:06:11,560
Speaker 6: they have they they have figured out some way to

128
00:06:11,720 --> 00:06:15,599
Speaker 6: like make sure he stays within the pocket more so

129
00:06:15,760 --> 00:06:17,040
Speaker 6: than I think some other teams.

130
00:06:17,240 --> 00:06:20,360
Speaker 4: James Connor had a season low twenty seven yards, which

131
00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:24,839
Speaker 4: is interesting because typically even when it might not look

132
00:06:25,080 --> 00:06:27,640
Speaker 4: like Connor has a lot of room, he's able to

133
00:06:27,680 --> 00:06:29,839
Speaker 4: push through and get that extra yardage, and that just

134
00:06:29,960 --> 00:06:32,680
Speaker 4: wasn't there. I'm not sure if you put most of

135
00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:37,600
Speaker 4: that blame on blocking, on Connor, on timing, I'm not

136
00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:39,680
Speaker 4: really sure if there was just too much pressure or

137
00:06:39,680 --> 00:06:42,760
Speaker 4: what was going on. La picked up right where they

138
00:06:42,839 --> 00:06:45,080
Speaker 4: left off, though Paul which was running the ball from

139
00:06:45,120 --> 00:06:47,640
Speaker 4: week six. In that first matchup, they had five rushing

140
00:06:47,720 --> 00:06:49,679
Speaker 4: yards in the first half and one hundred and seventy

141
00:06:49,720 --> 00:06:52,240
Speaker 4: four in the second. Kyron Williams had one hundred and

142
00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:54,880
Speaker 4: fifty eight of those, and even though the Cardinals defense

143
00:06:54,960 --> 00:06:58,320
Speaker 4: knew what was coming on Sunday, it wasn't. It's one

144
00:06:58,360 --> 00:07:00,440
Speaker 4: thing to know what's coming, it's another to stop. And

145
00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:05,760
Speaker 4: the defense had their worst rushing performance of how many

146
00:07:05,839 --> 00:07:08,120
Speaker 4: yards were allowed, and they just got run all over.

147
00:07:08,760 --> 00:07:12,040
Speaker 2: So CALVISI consulting the poly Pigskin Division, I'm over my

148
00:07:12,120 --> 00:07:14,960
Speaker 2: skis with a following suggestion that in the off season,

149
00:07:15,920 --> 00:07:19,120
Speaker 2: I think you really need to work on fitting the

150
00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:21,800
Speaker 2: run scheme that you see four times a year between

151
00:07:21,800 --> 00:07:24,960
Speaker 2: the Niners and the Rams. That zone scheme. We saw

152
00:07:25,040 --> 00:07:27,960
Speaker 2: Christian McCaffery in Week four over five yards of carry,

153
00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:31,600
Speaker 2: three rushing touchdowns. You have now seen Kyen Williams twice

154
00:07:31,800 --> 00:07:35,880
Speaker 2: at least three halves of football be dominant against the Cardinals.

155
00:07:35,880 --> 00:07:38,320
Speaker 2: We talked to Lorenzo Alexander on the Red Sea Report

156
00:07:38,680 --> 00:07:42,520
Speaker 2: earlier today just about fitting that run scheme, and a

157
00:07:42,520 --> 00:07:44,200
Speaker 2: lot of it starts with the d line. And if

158
00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:46,880
Speaker 2: you're getting turned like if they're stringing you out laterally

159
00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:49,200
Speaker 2: and your shoulder pads are getting turned perpendicular to the

160
00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:52,560
Speaker 2: line of scrimmage, you're done. You need an ultra aggressive

161
00:07:52,600 --> 00:07:57,360
Speaker 2: defensive line that's getting upfield, getting between double team blocks.

162
00:07:57,400 --> 00:07:59,600
Speaker 2: At least you know one gapping. You can't be two

163
00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:02,120
Speaker 2: gapping and waiting. You have to be aggressive, get up

164
00:08:02,160 --> 00:08:04,800
Speaker 2: the field, force the running back out of a lane

165
00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:07,760
Speaker 2: or his desired route, and make him make a choice

166
00:08:07,760 --> 00:08:10,040
Speaker 2: before he gets the perimeter and he has blockers and

167
00:08:10,080 --> 00:08:12,640
Speaker 2: he's able to stoke it north. And you just saw

168
00:08:12,720 --> 00:08:14,080
Speaker 2: too much of that. And then they brought in the

169
00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:16,840
Speaker 2: heavy hitter, Royce Freeman there in the second half. Here

170
00:08:16,840 --> 00:08:19,760
Speaker 2: comes two hundred and forty pounds downhill. And when your

171
00:08:19,800 --> 00:08:23,080
Speaker 2: top three tacklers are all dbs, when it's Buddha Baker

172
00:08:23,120 --> 00:08:25,560
Speaker 2: and Keith Troll Clark nine apiece and then Jalen Thompson

173
00:08:25,640 --> 00:08:28,680
Speaker 2: right behind him, that's an indication that those running backs

174
00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:29,880
Speaker 2: are getting to the second level.

175
00:08:30,200 --> 00:08:32,760
Speaker 4: La had no reason to throw the ball. Why would

176
00:08:32,800 --> 00:08:34,720
Speaker 4: you put the ball in jeopardy? Why would you put

177
00:08:34,760 --> 00:08:37,360
Speaker 4: that at risk when you can run the ball and

178
00:08:37,400 --> 00:08:40,160
Speaker 4: be as successful as they were. This was a game

179
00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:43,600
Speaker 4: where you really realized what you have in Kaizer White

180
00:08:43,640 --> 00:08:46,880
Speaker 4: as you're linebacker, who is calling the defense, who's out

181
00:08:46,920 --> 00:08:50,600
Speaker 4: on ir with a biceps injury. That's not to knock

182
00:08:50,679 --> 00:08:52,840
Speaker 4: Josh Woods or Chris Barnes in terms of calling the

183
00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:56,280
Speaker 4: defense and echoing the plays. I think you just realized,

184
00:08:56,559 --> 00:08:59,640
Speaker 4: similar to a Buddha Baker, the way that Kaizer flies

185
00:08:59,679 --> 00:09:02,360
Speaker 4: around the field and the power he's able to have

186
00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:05,680
Speaker 4: in those tackles, and how few players get passed him

187
00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:08,400
Speaker 4: to someone like a Buddha Baker. I think that tackling

188
00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:12,960
Speaker 4: was noticeably off without Kaiser White out on the field.

189
00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:16,560
Speaker 2: Because Ramso line dare I say, ain't all that they're

190
00:09:16,559 --> 00:09:19,280
Speaker 2: not two hundred and twenty eight yards worth of rushing?

191
00:09:19,679 --> 00:09:19,839
Speaker 3: Now?

192
00:09:19,880 --> 00:09:23,560
Speaker 2: How much of that was the lack of quote enthusiasm

193
00:09:23,920 --> 00:09:26,680
Speaker 2: by the Cardinals team, especially after things got lopsided. But

194
00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:28,719
Speaker 2: I'll tell you this much, and I said as much

195
00:09:28,760 --> 00:09:32,440
Speaker 2: on Red Sea Report, is it was mid third quarter,

196
00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:34,840
Speaker 2: they kicked the field goal. It's twenty four to eight,

197
00:09:35,280 --> 00:09:37,760
Speaker 2: so technically it's still a two possession game if you

198
00:09:37,800 --> 00:09:40,280
Speaker 2: get a pair of two point conversions, and there was

199
00:09:40,320 --> 00:09:42,520
Speaker 2: a starter for the Cardinals going up and down the sideline,

200
00:09:42,559 --> 00:09:45,080
Speaker 2: let's go, let's act like it's a two possession game,

201
00:09:45,440 --> 00:09:48,959
Speaker 2: because the energy was anything but. And when that game

202
00:09:49,080 --> 00:09:52,760
Speaker 2: kicked off, it was awful quiet down there. And sometimes

203
00:09:52,760 --> 00:09:55,480
Speaker 2: that's a harbinger of things to come, and sometimes it isn't.

204
00:09:55,960 --> 00:09:58,720
Speaker 2: And we went through that in twenty twenty one and

205
00:09:58,760 --> 00:10:02,280
Speaker 2: twenty two. There were games that lacked effort and just

206
00:10:02,320 --> 00:10:05,880
Speaker 2: didn't quite have the same urgency, intensity and energy. And

207
00:10:05,920 --> 00:10:08,319
Speaker 2: when the Rams went down and scored in nine plays

208
00:10:08,440 --> 00:10:11,120
Speaker 2: right off the bat boom, You're like, row, that was

209
00:10:11,160 --> 00:10:13,320
Speaker 2: a bit of a But then the Cardinals go twelve

210
00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:16,760
Speaker 2: place seventy five yards, So I'm like, okay, yeah, that

211
00:10:16,960 --> 00:10:19,920
Speaker 2: isn't an indication of anything. Well, ultimately it was, and

212
00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:21,160
Speaker 2: it was cited by the head coach.

213
00:10:21,240 --> 00:10:24,080
Speaker 4: It was interesting because when this team has been down

214
00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:27,679
Speaker 4: this year, the effort's always been there, which is what

215
00:10:27,800 --> 00:10:30,520
Speaker 4: Jag said, but the energy has still been there. We've

216
00:10:30,559 --> 00:10:32,880
Speaker 4: talked about seeing the fight from this team, and the

217
00:10:32,920 --> 00:10:36,320
Speaker 4: previous game in Houston is a great example. The Cardinals

218
00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:39,240
Speaker 4: gave up three hundred and thirty three total yards in

219
00:10:39,240 --> 00:10:41,960
Speaker 4: the first half, came out, had a great second half,

220
00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:45,479
Speaker 4: you were down only eleven points at the half, not sixteen.

221
00:10:45,960 --> 00:10:48,439
Speaker 4: So the fact that La came out and was immediately

222
00:10:48,480 --> 00:10:51,280
Speaker 4: dominating in the run game, the fact that we didn't

223
00:10:51,280 --> 00:10:53,680
Speaker 4: see those sort of halftime adjustments, We didn't see the

224
00:10:53,840 --> 00:10:56,400
Speaker 4: energy that we've seen when the Cardinals have been in

225
00:10:56,440 --> 00:11:00,560
Speaker 4: similar positions earlier in the year. That was noticing different.

226
00:11:00,600 --> 00:11:03,240
Speaker 4: I'm not sure why this was the time that was

227
00:11:03,240 --> 00:11:03,679
Speaker 4: the case.

228
00:11:04,360 --> 00:11:06,719
Speaker 6: I do think, and I think this came up in

229
00:11:06,760 --> 00:11:09,079
Speaker 6: the map back. I mean, sometimes sometimes there's going to

230
00:11:09,120 --> 00:11:12,680
Speaker 6: be clunkers. I that doesn't make it okay, and I

231
00:11:12,760 --> 00:11:14,480
Speaker 6: understand why people are frustrated, But.

232
00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:17,000
Speaker 2: The Niners just lost three in a row.

233
00:11:17,080 --> 00:11:19,360
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean you're sometimes you're gonna have a clunker.

234
00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:21,240
Speaker 6: And that's kind of what this felt like a little

235
00:11:21,240 --> 00:11:23,880
Speaker 6: bit all the way around, rightly or wrongly. And I

236
00:11:23,920 --> 00:11:27,840
Speaker 6: can come up, especially home games especially, I feel like Paul,

237
00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:29,520
Speaker 6: you and I have seen a number of them over

238
00:11:29,559 --> 00:11:31,920
Speaker 6: the years where you're like, wait, what what what just

239
00:11:32,080 --> 00:11:33,560
Speaker 6: happened in that game that.

240
00:11:33,760 --> 00:11:36,360
Speaker 2: There was a home loss to Carolina against PJ. Walker?

241
00:11:36,600 --> 00:11:37,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know there was.

242
00:11:37,559 --> 00:11:40,199
Speaker 2: That road loss at Detroit.

243
00:11:40,480 --> 00:11:41,360
Speaker 3: That was twenty two.

244
00:11:41,559 --> 00:11:44,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, where we have jokes for twenty one twenty one,

245
00:11:44,080 --> 00:11:46,240
Speaker 2: you needed to run jumper cables from the team bus

246
00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:48,120
Speaker 2: all the way to the metal bench. Everyone sit down

247
00:11:48,120 --> 00:11:49,079
Speaker 2: and gun the engine back.

248
00:11:49,120 --> 00:11:52,120
Speaker 6: Back in two thousand and eight before the Super Bowl run, yeah,

249
00:11:52,160 --> 00:11:54,920
Speaker 6: they had a home game against the Vikings in Tavares

250
00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:57,080
Speaker 6: Jackson who threw like four touchdown passes.

251
00:11:57,120 --> 00:11:59,080
Speaker 2: And here's my theory on that. Because it happens to

252
00:11:59,120 --> 00:12:02,560
Speaker 2: any team sport, in any season, You're going to get

253
00:12:02,600 --> 00:12:05,520
Speaker 2: that one clunker, as you call it. And here's my theory.

254
00:12:05,559 --> 00:12:09,440
Speaker 2: Why to these professional athletes, this is their job. Show

255
00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:12,680
Speaker 2: a hands who brings it one hundred percent intensity to

256
00:12:12,800 --> 00:12:18,680
Speaker 2: their job every single workday. No, no one, no detection,

257
00:12:18,960 --> 00:12:22,800
Speaker 2: say no detector. Could we get a buzzer in here?

258
00:12:23,160 --> 00:12:25,920
Speaker 2: So to some degree that's the case. Now I will

259
00:12:25,960 --> 00:12:28,080
Speaker 2: say this, and I don't know if I'm going on

260
00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:30,120
Speaker 2: a limb here or not. I think there are two

261
00:12:30,120 --> 00:12:31,959
Speaker 2: things you will not see the rest of the season.

262
00:12:32,040 --> 00:12:33,600
Speaker 2: There are five games to go. You will not see

263
00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:37,520
Speaker 2: the Cardinals ignore James Connor. Again, I think the coaches

264
00:12:37,520 --> 00:12:39,800
Speaker 2: feel like that was a mistake. You got four carries

265
00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:41,559
Speaker 2: on the first drive and to the rest of the game.

266
00:12:41,400 --> 00:12:42,720
Speaker 3: And you want to see counter ingram.

267
00:12:42,840 --> 00:12:45,720
Speaker 2: Wait what you're right, Number thirty, Go ahead.

268
00:12:45,840 --> 00:12:47,400
Speaker 6: No, I was just going to say he got released,

269
00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:49,640
Speaker 6: so you're not going to see him.

270
00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:52,719
Speaker 2: And don't think that doesn't send a message, because there

271
00:12:52,800 --> 00:12:55,920
Speaker 2: is one tried and true way to motivate in professional sports,

272
00:12:55,920 --> 00:12:59,559
Speaker 2: and that's job security. So whether that was going to

273
00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:03,319
Speaker 2: happen or not, never necessarily a bad thing. If you're

274
00:13:03,320 --> 00:13:05,559
Speaker 2: gonna make that move, to make it after a poor

275
00:13:05,679 --> 00:13:09,400
Speaker 2: loss and you send a message that there will be blood. Right,

276
00:13:09,640 --> 00:13:11,199
Speaker 2: here's the only thing. I don't think we're going to

277
00:13:11,280 --> 00:13:13,160
Speaker 2: see a lack thereof the rest of the way, and

278
00:13:13,160 --> 00:13:15,840
Speaker 2: that's that fight you reference. That's what Dennis Gardett called

279
00:13:15,840 --> 00:13:18,240
Speaker 2: it after the game in our postgame radio interview. I'd

280
00:13:18,280 --> 00:13:20,240
Speaker 2: ask him about the energy and he said, well, the fight.

281
00:13:20,520 --> 00:13:23,640
Speaker 2: So I wanted to see more fight. And I think

282
00:13:23,679 --> 00:13:26,760
Speaker 2: that message was delivered to that locker room, and I'm

283
00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:30,200
Speaker 2: guessing gonna I'm gonna surmise that that will be there.

284
00:13:30,200 --> 00:13:32,000
Speaker 2: I don't know if there's gonna be how many more

285
00:13:32,040 --> 00:13:33,400
Speaker 2: wins there are the rest of the way, but I

286
00:13:33,400 --> 00:13:36,000
Speaker 2: don't think you're gonna see that lackluster effort again.

287
00:13:36,960 --> 00:13:37,559
Speaker 3: It's funny.

288
00:13:38,640 --> 00:13:40,880
Speaker 6: Jonathan Gannon when he first came into the press conference

289
00:13:40,920 --> 00:13:44,880
Speaker 6: after the game, talked about missing effort and energy and

290
00:13:44,920 --> 00:13:48,080
Speaker 6: then he quickly dialed it back. Now, this is my theory.

291
00:13:48,320 --> 00:13:50,360
Speaker 6: I have not talked to Jonathan Gannon about this, but

292
00:13:50,400 --> 00:13:54,120
Speaker 6: my theory is is that is what he was thinking. Sure,

293
00:13:54,559 --> 00:13:57,320
Speaker 6: except you don't want to say that publicly and throw

294
00:13:57,400 --> 00:14:00,120
Speaker 6: your players under the bus about effort, because that is

295
00:14:00,520 --> 00:14:04,280
Speaker 6: that is definitely a hot button topic I would think

296
00:14:04,360 --> 00:14:06,840
Speaker 6: among players. But I mean, I think it's.

297
00:14:06,640 --> 00:14:07,160
Speaker 3: Fair to say.

298
00:14:07,200 --> 00:14:09,719
Speaker 6: And the thing is is like, it's really hard when

299
00:14:09,760 --> 00:14:15,079
Speaker 6: you start getting into the weeds of fight and effort

300
00:14:15,480 --> 00:14:18,440
Speaker 6: and energy and I'm like, Okay, exactly how are we

301
00:14:18,640 --> 00:14:21,640
Speaker 6: parsing all these things because they feel like kind of

302
00:14:21,640 --> 00:14:23,040
Speaker 6: the same thing, don't they.

303
00:14:23,520 --> 00:14:28,960
Speaker 2: Yes, Yeah, I mean I know when I throw out energy, intensity, urgency, fight,

304
00:14:29,040 --> 00:14:32,720
Speaker 2: it really just means tenacity, doesn't it. It means eleven

305
00:14:32,760 --> 00:14:34,960
Speaker 2: hats to the football, which I think for the first

306
00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:37,280
Speaker 2: time all year, save a little bit here and there,

307
00:14:37,320 --> 00:14:39,560
Speaker 2: like that first half against Houston, you know, you just

308
00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:41,680
Speaker 2: didn't see it. And then when you brought it, like

309
00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:43,560
Speaker 2: for example, when you brought in Roy Spreeman and he's

310
00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:48,160
Speaker 2: two forty and now he's running through dbs and he's

311
00:14:48,160 --> 00:14:51,840
Speaker 2: getting chunk runs because guess what, there's not eleven hats

312
00:14:51,840 --> 00:14:54,040
Speaker 2: to the ball. There were too many solo tackles to

313
00:14:54,080 --> 00:14:55,800
Speaker 2: begin with, and if you look at some of the

314
00:14:55,840 --> 00:14:58,920
Speaker 2: tackle totals, Buddha and Jalen and Kee Troll Clark had

315
00:14:58,960 --> 00:15:00,840
Speaker 2: a ton of soul tackles.

316
00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:03,120
Speaker 4: I think part of it too, is this was really

317
00:15:03,160 --> 00:15:07,200
Speaker 4: the first game where you were pretty healthy when it

318
00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:09,600
Speaker 4: comes to your starters, and you had this type of performance.

319
00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:11,560
Speaker 4: The other the other game that was similar to this

320
00:15:11,840 --> 00:15:15,120
Speaker 4: was in Cleveland. You had Clayton tun As you're starting quarterback.

321
00:15:15,160 --> 00:15:17,160
Speaker 4: You had just traded Josh Doobbs. You knew that Kyler

322
00:15:17,240 --> 00:15:21,120
Speaker 4: Murray's return was very near at that point. You kind

323
00:15:21,160 --> 00:15:22,960
Speaker 4: of knew what you were going into with that game.

324
00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:25,720
Speaker 4: So the fact that you had a healthy Kyler Murray

325
00:15:25,800 --> 00:15:28,080
Speaker 4: and James Connor and Buddha Baker and Jalen Thompson this

326
00:15:28,160 --> 00:15:30,120
Speaker 4: time around, and this is the performance you had as

327
00:15:30,120 --> 00:15:32,560
Speaker 4: a whole throughout the rest of the season. It's really

328
00:15:32,600 --> 00:15:34,520
Speaker 4: been even if the offense hasn't had a great game,

329
00:15:34,560 --> 00:15:37,720
Speaker 4: the defense has done well. They have gotten to the quarterback,

330
00:15:37,760 --> 00:15:40,720
Speaker 4: they have forced turnovers. They have either stopped the run

331
00:15:40,760 --> 00:15:42,920
Speaker 4: game or the passing game pretty well. So the fact

332
00:15:42,920 --> 00:15:46,600
Speaker 4: that the offense didn't have a good game and the

333
00:15:46,640 --> 00:15:48,720
Speaker 4: defense didn't have a good game really kind of feels

334
00:15:48,800 --> 00:15:52,400
Speaker 4: like the first time again minus Cleveland, that nothing was

335
00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:54,800
Speaker 4: really working. And then on top of that, you're having

336
00:15:54,840 --> 00:15:57,800
Speaker 4: some problems with penalties or missfield goal on special teams,

337
00:15:57,800 --> 00:16:00,000
Speaker 4: which is also an area that this team is really

338
00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:03,560
Speaker 4: consistently made plays with this year and been good on

339
00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:06,800
Speaker 4: that side. It really was all three phases that were

340
00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:08,800
Speaker 4: just off and underperforming.

341
00:16:10,320 --> 00:16:12,920
Speaker 6: I want to give props to Olmes. He was when

342
00:16:12,920 --> 00:16:15,320
Speaker 6: we're talking about clunkers. I mean, let's look at the

343
00:16:15,320 --> 00:16:18,120
Speaker 6: Broncos who are now in the playoff chase. That team

344
00:16:18,240 --> 00:16:20,880
Speaker 6: gave up seventy points one day.

345
00:16:21,160 --> 00:16:24,640
Speaker 2: You wondered advance Joseph was gonna survive this seventy burger

346
00:16:24,680 --> 00:16:25,880
Speaker 2: put on him by Miami.

347
00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:27,840
Speaker 3: Right now, their defense is playing pretty well.

348
00:16:28,360 --> 00:16:32,040
Speaker 2: Look when it turns, it turns. I mean, if you

349
00:16:32,080 --> 00:16:33,600
Speaker 2: get it right, all of a sudden, it will turn

350
00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:36,160
Speaker 2: in hurry. Look at the Diamondbacks. Look at what the

351
00:16:36,200 --> 00:16:38,960
Speaker 2: Suns did once they got Chris Paul right once. I mean,

352
00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:41,280
Speaker 2: you can go from sixty losses to sixty wins in

353
00:16:41,280 --> 00:16:44,160
Speaker 2: the NBA if you just get another player or two.

354
00:16:44,400 --> 00:16:45,840
Speaker 5: So don't get Darren started.

355
00:16:46,400 --> 00:16:49,080
Speaker 2: You know, I think we all agree. They have the

356
00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:52,120
Speaker 2: coaching staff, they have the leadership. There's enough dogs in

357
00:16:52,120 --> 00:16:54,960
Speaker 2: that locker room. This isn't going to be a constant.

358
00:16:55,160 --> 00:16:56,960
Speaker 2: It's just tough when you're on that sideline and hey,

359
00:16:56,960 --> 00:17:00,160
Speaker 2: there's Antonio Hamilton, he's in sweats and he's coaching up

360
00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:03,560
Speaker 2: Key Tarl Clark and Starling Thomas. Hey there's Kaisier White. Oh,

361
00:17:03,600 --> 00:17:06,879
Speaker 2: he's in street close and he's talking to Josh or

362
00:17:06,960 --> 00:17:10,040
Speaker 2: Chris Barnes and Josh Woods. And there's Kevin Strong and

363
00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:12,240
Speaker 2: he's in sweat. I mean, there's a lot of you're

364
00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:14,760
Speaker 2: missing for your top five defensive lineman and missing the

365
00:17:14,800 --> 00:17:19,000
Speaker 2: quarterback of your defense. You know, Marco Wilson isn't getting

366
00:17:19,040 --> 00:17:20,879
Speaker 2: a single snap. You know, there's just a lot of

367
00:17:21,080 --> 00:17:23,600
Speaker 2: a lot of change down there. I don't know how much,

368
00:17:23,680 --> 00:17:25,960
Speaker 2: if anything, that had to do with it, but we

369
00:17:26,040 --> 00:17:28,080
Speaker 2: know in the past, if you go into a game

370
00:17:28,119 --> 00:17:30,920
Speaker 2: without a quarterback and you get down a couple of scores,

371
00:17:31,040 --> 00:17:33,320
Speaker 2: things can get sideways in a hurry because the rest

372
00:17:33,359 --> 00:17:35,439
Speaker 2: of the team doesn't believe you have the capability to

373
00:17:35,440 --> 00:17:38,080
Speaker 2: come back, and as Jonathan Gannon did sight once it

374
00:17:38,119 --> 00:17:41,080
Speaker 2: got lopsided in that scoreboard in the fourth quarter, things

375
00:17:41,080 --> 00:17:41,879
Speaker 2: were a little different.

376
00:17:42,600 --> 00:17:44,840
Speaker 4: It's difficult because on top of having to deal with

377
00:17:44,880 --> 00:17:48,800
Speaker 4: adversity and injuries on this defense, the defensive line, the

378
00:17:48,840 --> 00:17:55,120
Speaker 4: linebackers room, you are just finished Week twelve. Typically that's

379
00:17:55,200 --> 00:17:57,080
Speaker 4: later than you'd like to be going through any sort

380
00:17:57,080 --> 00:18:00,440
Speaker 4: of evaluation process. That's not where the Cardinals find themselves.

381
00:18:00,440 --> 00:18:03,080
Speaker 4: The fact that they're still evaluating on a weekly basis

382
00:18:03,400 --> 00:18:07,800
Speaker 4: who they're starting cornerbacks are going to be. That adds

383
00:18:07,800 --> 00:18:10,640
Speaker 4: an extra layer of challenges because you don't have that

384
00:18:10,800 --> 00:18:13,679
Speaker 4: consistency and what is going on with the veteran like

385
00:18:13,680 --> 00:18:16,200
Speaker 4: Marco Wilson, who threw week seven, played one hundred percent

386
00:18:16,200 --> 00:18:18,560
Speaker 4: of the defensive snaps and then watched them dwindle and

387
00:18:18,560 --> 00:18:21,240
Speaker 4: then only played special teams this year. So now you

388
00:18:21,320 --> 00:18:24,920
Speaker 4: have two rookies in Keetra Clark and Starling Thomas starting.

389
00:18:25,560 --> 00:18:28,040
Speaker 4: What was the most interesting part of that entire scenario

390
00:18:28,080 --> 00:18:29,919
Speaker 4: for me, though, is when Thomas went out with an

391
00:18:29,920 --> 00:18:33,480
Speaker 4: ankle injury and was immediately ruled out Marco Wilson didn't

392
00:18:33,520 --> 00:18:35,639
Speaker 4: go up in his place. It was the rookie Devad

393
00:18:35,680 --> 00:18:38,840
Speaker 4: Wilson who was elevated from the practice squad. So on

394
00:18:38,880 --> 00:18:41,719
Speaker 4: top of the injuries, in adversity, life is just more

395
00:18:41,800 --> 00:18:44,399
Speaker 4: difficult for this defense because they're very clearly still having

396
00:18:44,800 --> 00:18:48,600
Speaker 4: to evaluate, which is partially the expectation of where this

397
00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:51,359
Speaker 4: team stood before the season started. This coaching staff, what

398
00:18:51,359 --> 00:18:53,520
Speaker 4: they're having to figure out. The front office is having

399
00:18:53,520 --> 00:18:55,879
Speaker 4: to figure out a lot of players in contract years

400
00:18:55,920 --> 00:18:58,679
Speaker 4: and obviously when you have so much draft capital. So

401
00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:01,040
Speaker 4: I'm not saying I'm confus used or I'm upset by

402
00:19:01,080 --> 00:19:04,040
Speaker 4: any of this. I'm just saying it's more difficult on

403
00:19:04,119 --> 00:19:06,199
Speaker 4: top of the university you're already facing in a regular

404
00:19:06,240 --> 00:19:09,080
Speaker 4: season to now also still be having to evaluate players

405
00:19:09,119 --> 00:19:11,280
Speaker 4: and who gives you the best chance to win if

406
00:19:11,280 --> 00:19:12,960
Speaker 4: that's changing week after week.

407
00:19:13,640 --> 00:19:16,880
Speaker 2: And don't think the evaluation does not continue right after

408
00:19:16,920 --> 00:19:19,480
Speaker 2: you went through an off season of no allegiances in

409
00:19:19,520 --> 00:19:22,200
Speaker 2: the roster reset, I mean you could have the Seventh

410
00:19:22,240 --> 00:19:24,720
Speaker 2: Purge movie, you know, if you want this off season,

411
00:19:25,280 --> 00:19:26,120
Speaker 2: because really.

412
00:19:26,320 --> 00:19:27,359
Speaker 3: Just when I think it's.

413
00:19:29,359 --> 00:19:31,240
Speaker 5: Where it was, how many are there? There's so there's six.

414
00:19:31,359 --> 00:19:33,119
Speaker 2: Well, I'm glad, Yes, Danny. There's the Purge, there's the

415
00:19:33,160 --> 00:19:36,240
Speaker 2: Purge anarchy. First Purge, Forever Purge, Purge election year, and

416
00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:38,639
Speaker 2: then what we call the big Red Reset Purge this

417
00:19:38,680 --> 00:19:39,240
Speaker 2: past awesome.

418
00:19:39,280 --> 00:19:41,280
Speaker 4: You're really going to become a sponsor. I would never

419
00:19:41,359 --> 00:19:43,119
Speaker 4: watch the movies because I don't like scary movies.

420
00:19:43,320 --> 00:19:45,760
Speaker 3: Would the seventh one called that's a good question.

421
00:19:45,840 --> 00:19:48,560
Speaker 4: You should be sponsored as individually, Paul. It could be

422
00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:50,320
Speaker 4: an influencer for the Purge movie.

423
00:19:50,760 --> 00:19:54,960
Speaker 2: That's right. Uh yeah, PAULI Purge. Well, we'll get on that.

424
00:19:54,960 --> 00:19:59,399
Speaker 2: It'll be good. I mean, you still, you know, unless

425
00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:02,159
Speaker 2: you're a handful of players who are made men in

426
00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:05,280
Speaker 2: this roster, you better put good film out there, because

427
00:20:05,320 --> 00:20:08,840
Speaker 2: to your point, the evaluation does continue. I think the

428
00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:12,560
Speaker 2: big question is at quarterback. You know, where are they

429
00:20:12,560 --> 00:20:16,000
Speaker 2: with Kyler? Where is Kyler? Was that just a hiccup

430
00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:19,600
Speaker 2: in that game? It's still confounding, just like the first

431
00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:23,160
Speaker 2: series versus the rest of the game was perplexing. Right,

432
00:20:23,240 --> 00:20:25,720
Speaker 2: Everything you did in that first series you didn't really

433
00:20:25,760 --> 00:20:28,359
Speaker 2: see again the rest of the game, whether it was

434
00:20:28,440 --> 00:20:32,320
Speaker 2: under center or James Connor. You know, with Kyler Murray,

435
00:20:32,560 --> 00:20:35,280
Speaker 2: what you saw in this game. You didn't see in

436
00:20:35,320 --> 00:20:39,120
Speaker 2: the Atlanta game when he was first game in eleven months.

437
00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:42,280
Speaker 2: So okay, what does that mean. It's almost like you

438
00:20:42,359 --> 00:20:44,359
Speaker 2: watched him like, okay, wait a minute. They're not moving

439
00:20:44,359 --> 00:20:46,359
Speaker 2: the pocket as much as the Atlanta game. He wasn't

440
00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:48,480
Speaker 2: on the move. There weren't the boots, the waggles, the

441
00:20:48,520 --> 00:20:51,440
Speaker 2: half rolls. It's almost like they were. They had tasked

442
00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:54,560
Speaker 2: Kyler with, let's see you from the pocket. Let's see

443
00:20:54,560 --> 00:20:57,000
Speaker 2: you attack a defense from the pocket.

444
00:20:57,119 --> 00:21:00,720
Speaker 3: It's possible. I mean, I'm not going to rule it out.

445
00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:02,160
Speaker 3: It still seems likely.

446
00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:05,080
Speaker 6: Okay, this these are the things we are doing to

447
00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:07,840
Speaker 6: because of the best things we have or whatever. But

448
00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:10,800
Speaker 6: it does feel like there's been some moments there where

449
00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:13,640
Speaker 6: it's like, okay, let's try and run this and and

450
00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:15,760
Speaker 6: Kyler says he can do it, and let's see, let's

451
00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:18,560
Speaker 6: see what it looks like when he's doing it. And

452
00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:21,760
Speaker 6: the only thing that makes me hesitate on that stuff

453
00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:27,920
Speaker 6: is the emotion that the quarterback, especially is wearing after

454
00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:28,840
Speaker 6: these games are over.

455
00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:30,840
Speaker 3: I mean, he doesn't look.

456
00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:33,359
Speaker 6: Like he said the right things after the game, but

457
00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:35,920
Speaker 6: he did not look happy. I mean, he was saying

458
00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:38,240
Speaker 6: he wasn't discouraged. He was saying he was staying positive.

459
00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:42,480
Speaker 6: But and I'm not blaming him for looking down, but

460
00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:44,840
Speaker 6: he looked like he was little.

461
00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:47,439
Speaker 2: Down, no doubt. I mean, he has to look like

462
00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:51,639
Speaker 2: I'll do anything to win, whatever it takes, So you know,

463
00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:54,480
Speaker 2: to surmise him. Maybe they're doing certain things to get

464
00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:58,760
Speaker 2: a look or evaluate. Yeah, that doesn't sound plausible because

465
00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:03,880
Speaker 2: he is definitely seeking the w There's no doubt about that.

466
00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:07,280
Speaker 2: Here's my other just speculation, thinking out loud, little thought

467
00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:11,040
Speaker 2: bubble over here. Okay, if the first drive looks different

468
00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:13,640
Speaker 2: than the rest of the game, what is the difference, Well,

469
00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:18,280
Speaker 2: the first drive is scripted, first fifteen plays are scripted.

470
00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:21,000
Speaker 2: Is the rest of the game then dictated more by

471
00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:23,919
Speaker 2: the quarterback? And is the quarterback changing a lot of

472
00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:26,800
Speaker 2: plays and or calling play especially when they go tempo.

473
00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:28,760
Speaker 2: You saw Matthew Stafford do a lot of that. I

474
00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:31,159
Speaker 2: think that's what I wanted an answer to, is if

475
00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:34,080
Speaker 2: Kaizer White was out there, an experienced middle linebacker against

476
00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:36,880
Speaker 2: Matthew Stafford who seemingly was changing a lot of stuff,

477
00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:39,560
Speaker 2: and Sean McVay has done that for years, get up

478
00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:42,160
Speaker 2: on the ball till there's fifteen seconds on the play clock.

479
00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:45,240
Speaker 2: I can talk into the device and the helmet of

480
00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:48,000
Speaker 2: my quarterback, and then all of a sudden, for example,

481
00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:50,919
Speaker 2: on that Jalen Thompson trail blitz, here's the screen that

482
00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:55,119
Speaker 2: hits for the touchdown. Perfect call. He recognized it. Whereas

483
00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:57,520
Speaker 2: Lorenzo Alexander Tols in the Red Sea report, he thought

484
00:22:57,520 --> 00:23:01,360
Speaker 2: the Rams secondary did an excellent job at disguising when

485
00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:03,800
Speaker 2: they were too high versus one high, and they were,

486
00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:06,960
Speaker 2: you know, post snap getting into different looks, did a

487
00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:10,600
Speaker 2: really good job of disguising and or confusing, you know,

488
00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:13,840
Speaker 2: the Cardinals offense at times. Because there were ten pass

489
00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:18,760
Speaker 2: deflections in the game. That's a lot, so we're receivers

490
00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:20,760
Speaker 2: not in the right spot at the right time. Was

491
00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:24,560
Speaker 2: Kyler maybe a half second slow getting to those spots,

492
00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:27,000
Speaker 2: giving the dbs a chance to recover and get their

493
00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:29,800
Speaker 2: hands in there and break up a pass. It just

494
00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:33,000
Speaker 2: didn't seem like the Cardinals passing game was a step ahead.

495
00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:36,119
Speaker 4: And you're right, Paul, and that didn't feel like for

496
00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:38,399
Speaker 4: the sole fact that you didn't have Michael Wilson, who was.

497
00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:40,920
Speaker 5: Out with his shoulder injury. I'm not sure how much not.

498
00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:42,960
Speaker 4: To say he wouldn't have changed the game in any manner,

499
00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:46,280
Speaker 4: but for the points that you're mentioning of, it didn't

500
00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:50,360
Speaker 4: feel like the passing game was off because of size

501
00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:54,960
Speaker 4: or contested throws. It does feel like the timing. And

502
00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:57,120
Speaker 4: I say that because that's something we have brought up

503
00:23:57,800 --> 00:24:00,640
Speaker 4: at least the last two weeks with Kyler and his receivers.

504
00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:03,480
Speaker 4: And it's not just the struggling connection with Hollywood Brown.

505
00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:08,120
Speaker 4: There's been multiple instances where he struggled to hit Trey McBride,

506
00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:10,720
Speaker 4: and to me, that does seem like a combination. It

507
00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:13,560
Speaker 4: seems like we've seen a combination of communication in terms

508
00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:16,280
Speaker 4: of does he want his receiver sitting in the route?

509
00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:18,760
Speaker 4: Does he want them on the move throwing, you know,

510
00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:20,639
Speaker 4: in front of them. And then there also seems like

511
00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:23,600
Speaker 4: times where Kyler hangs onto the ball for just a

512
00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:26,960
Speaker 4: split second too long. And that's what I think about

513
00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:29,920
Speaker 4: on that fork down with Trey McBride and getting broken up,

514
00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:33,199
Speaker 4: is that that is more what that felt like to me.

515
00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:38,160
Speaker 2: You know, we speculated that Kyler might actually go through

516
00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:42,320
Speaker 2: us reads a lot better minus DeAndre Hopkins, because it

517
00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:44,439
Speaker 2: wasn't a cumbent upon him or he didn't feel pressure

518
00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:47,000
Speaker 2: to get d Hop his dozen targets per game, and

519
00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:48,920
Speaker 2: maybe in the past he was looking for d Hop

520
00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:51,280
Speaker 2: a little too much and then forcing the ball d

521
00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:53,840
Speaker 2: Hops away. So I was taking a look here, Marquise

522
00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:57,760
Speaker 2: Hollywood Brown had look at it a dozen targets because

523
00:24:57,760 --> 00:24:59,440
Speaker 2: there were times on the game where I'll be honest,

524
00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:00,240
Speaker 2: I'm on the selling going.

525
00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:00,359
Speaker 5: Man.

526
00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:03,520
Speaker 2: I wonder if he's forced in a little too much, Hollywood.

527
00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:05,000
Speaker 3: But I would love to know when those times.

528
00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:07,119
Speaker 6: I felt like about six of those targets were in

529
00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:08,960
Speaker 6: the like the last ten minutes of the game.

530
00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:11,600
Speaker 2: And someone did ask Hollywood at his locker just watching

531
00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:13,119
Speaker 2: the video back, and I know you guys were in

532
00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:15,640
Speaker 2: the locker room, but there was a question to Hollywood about, oh,

533
00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:18,400
Speaker 2: maybe you discovered, you know, some chemistry and a connection

534
00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:22,040
Speaker 2: in this game, and and and Hollywood dismissed the question.

535
00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:24,720
Speaker 2: So I no, we were just playing catch up towards

536
00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:27,400
Speaker 2: the end, like game was already decided. When I got some.

537
00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:28,800
Speaker 3: Catchage time, yeah it was gone.

538
00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:30,960
Speaker 6: And Kyler basically said the same thing when I asked

539
00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:32,760
Speaker 6: him about working with Hollywood.

540
00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:34,040
Speaker 3: Gotcha, that was just the game.

541
00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:36,280
Speaker 2: So I don't, okay, So there's still there's still ground

542
00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:37,880
Speaker 2: to make up, there's still progress to be made.

543
00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:39,080
Speaker 3: Feels like that, yes, But I.

544
00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:40,800
Speaker 4: Will say I do like the fact that neither of

545
00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:43,200
Speaker 4: them are saying I need to get him the ball more,

546
00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:44,360
Speaker 4: I need to force the ball to him.

547
00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:44,520
Speaker 1: Now.

548
00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:47,240
Speaker 4: Of course both of them would like those things to happen,

549
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:53,560
Speaker 4: But Hollywood Brown feels very different than not just DeAndre Hopkins.

550
00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:56,040
Speaker 4: But I think a lot of those, you know, receivers

551
00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:57,800
Speaker 4: who have been the number one receiver for a long

552
00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:00,480
Speaker 4: time in their career. Hollywood is not out here when

553
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:02,560
Speaker 4: he's talking to the media with or without a camera

554
00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:05,600
Speaker 4: in his face. He's not having this demeanor, and he's

555
00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:08,119
Speaker 4: not saying things like I need the ball. You know

556
00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:10,080
Speaker 4: I'm a top receiver. I you know I can make

557
00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:12,960
Speaker 4: every catch. He's not saying those things He's and Kyler's

558
00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:15,400
Speaker 4: not saying I need to get him the ball because

559
00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:18,080
Speaker 4: you know, I know he can make those catches and

560
00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:20,640
Speaker 4: all that stuff. The two of them seem to really

561
00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:23,280
Speaker 4: have the same mindset of it's fluid, it's going to

562
00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:25,720
Speaker 4: be natural. If it works great, If there are better

563
00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:28,480
Speaker 4: reads out there, that's what Kyler's going to target. And

564
00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:31,439
Speaker 4: I will say if you're not having that connection, at

565
00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:34,399
Speaker 4: least the two of them aren't going to that to

566
00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:37,160
Speaker 4: say those types of things, which is good.

567
00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:40,320
Speaker 3: I agree with everything, So I guess there's really nothing for.

568
00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:41,520
Speaker 5: Me to say, Wow, clip that Amo.

569
00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:45,240
Speaker 2: Well, it was mid second quarter, it was the first

570
00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:49,160
Speaker 2: play of a possession and Kyler missed Hollywood deep underthrow

571
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:51,560
Speaker 2: it and immediately pointed to himself. But that was a

572
00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:54,320
Speaker 2: ball that came out once again, what Kyler called last

573
00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:58,680
Speaker 2: week goofy just came out weird, awkward to Wobbler slash

574
00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:01,320
Speaker 2: a duck. And then he immediately came to the sideline

575
00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:04,520
Speaker 2: after that series and started talking to the equipment guys,

576
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:09,240
Speaker 2: which was interesting. So don't know exactly what was going

577
00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:11,600
Speaker 2: on there. I'm guessing someone's gonna ask Kyler about that

578
00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:13,800
Speaker 2: this week as to whether, you know, I don't know,

579
00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:15,440
Speaker 2: do they need to put the footballs in the humid

580
00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:17,720
Speaker 2: or or something. I don't know exactly. I know the

581
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:20,720
Speaker 2: roof was open. Did that change the conditions? You know,

582
00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:23,399
Speaker 2: it wasn't no. Eighty to ninety degrees in there. No,

583
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:25,840
Speaker 2: it was absolutely beautiful, But did that make the football

584
00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:26,760
Speaker 2: a little more slick?

585
00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:27,280
Speaker 3: Maybe?

586
00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:31,160
Speaker 2: I don't know. Was enough time, then I wasn't as hot.

587
00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:33,800
Speaker 4: I would recommend that Kyler pulls the same maneuver you do,

588
00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:36,040
Speaker 4: which is not look at the weather forecast until Friday

589
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:36,640
Speaker 4: this week.

590
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:37,200
Speaker 5: If that's a.

591
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:40,400
Speaker 2: Concern, don't look at that part, or more importantly, look

592
00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:42,640
Speaker 2: at the you know, don't trust your eyes in these

593
00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:44,840
Speaker 2: weather reports until you get to Friday. Okay, I know

594
00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:47,080
Speaker 2: you know that the coach likes say trust your eyes. No,

595
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:50,320
Speaker 2: not until we get to Friday. These meteorologists, you kidding me.

596
00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:52,760
Speaker 2: You have spent thirty years in a newsroom with these meteorologists.

597
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:54,960
Speaker 2: Nobody gets away with being wrong more often than the

598
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:56,119
Speaker 2: weather people. Kidd me.

599
00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:57,879
Speaker 5: Anyway, just pear pa.

600
00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:01,240
Speaker 2: Maybe Kyler needs to go. Kyler needs to go. And

601
00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:04,720
Speaker 2: now I'm thrown with the Kurt Warner the whole glove approach.

602
00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:06,560
Speaker 2: You know what if Kyler shows up with the glove

603
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:07,360
Speaker 2: like the glove one.

604
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:11,160
Speaker 6: Speaking of Kurt, I've noticed there was a weather game.

605
00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:15,280
Speaker 6: Somebody made comment of the was it Iowa State?

606
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:16,960
Speaker 3: Somebody? Kansas State?

607
00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:17,440
Speaker 2: K state?

608
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:19,680
Speaker 6: Iowa State was playing in the snow this weekend, And

609
00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:23,000
Speaker 6: yes they were, And Kurt chimed in and and God

610
00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:27,959
Speaker 6: bless Kurt. He continues to go with the domes for everybody,

611
00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:32,800
Speaker 6: and he will not give that up. He wants indoor sports,

612
00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:36,160
Speaker 6: indoor football all the time, regardless.

613
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:38,720
Speaker 2: Spoken like a great former Arena league quarterback, right.

614
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:43,800
Speaker 6: That doesn't want the that wants the true football to

615
00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:45,880
Speaker 6: be seen and not be impacted by the weather.

616
00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:49,200
Speaker 2: Danny, do you want to switch the whole Pittsburgh in Chicago?

617
00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:51,120
Speaker 2: Maybe you can take the Pittsburgh game.

618
00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:52,800
Speaker 4: And yeah, I'm not sure Chicago is going to be

619
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:55,080
Speaker 4: much better, Paul, you still might be getting the better

620
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:55,720
Speaker 4: end yours.

621
00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:58,000
Speaker 2: Let's make a deal. You know, maybe I'll stick with

622
00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:00,840
Speaker 2: Curtin number one and not traded for curtain number two. Maybe.

623
00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:05,120
Speaker 2: Oh boy. Okay, So here's somebody explain this to me.

624
00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:08,200
Speaker 2: The Cardinals have won the turnover battle in six games

625
00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:12,120
Speaker 2: and they're one to five. That is a winning stat

626
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:17,840
Speaker 2: winning the turnover battle. Yet points off takeaways in those

627
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:21,360
Speaker 2: six games sixteen points.

628
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:22,320
Speaker 5: That's the kicker for me.

629
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:24,720
Speaker 4: It's one thing to say win or lose, because there's

630
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:27,800
Speaker 4: so much more that goes into a game. Now, turnover

631
00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:31,320
Speaker 4: battle absolutely increases your chances, right, momentum and getting the

632
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:33,360
Speaker 4: ball back and all of those things are scoring off

633
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:36,200
Speaker 4: a turnover but that's my problem is you have all

634
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:39,440
Speaker 4: of these turnovers and you're getting maybe three points, not

635
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:43,160
Speaker 4: even consistently, because this offense hasn't been able to find rhythm.

636
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:46,600
Speaker 4: They can't string downs together. It's get on the field,

637
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:48,760
Speaker 4: get off the field, and that is difficult for the

638
00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:51,040
Speaker 4: offense to find rhythm. It's difficult for the defense to

639
00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:54,520
Speaker 4: catch their breath. That's the problem is you're not putting

640
00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:57,800
Speaker 4: points on the board after turnovers. You're not playing complimentary football.

641
00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:01,800
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go, oh, glass maybe not half full.

642
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:03,000
Speaker 2: WHOA.

643
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:07,440
Speaker 6: They are doing a good, fairly good job taking care

644
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:08,440
Speaker 6: of the football this year.

645
00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:10,280
Speaker 3: They are ye and they.

646
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:12,680
Speaker 6: And while they don't get all the turnovers all the time,

647
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:16,240
Speaker 6: they do take care of the football. Now again, if

648
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:17,560
Speaker 6: you don't have the rest of it, if you're not

649
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:20,560
Speaker 6: scoring off the turnovers you have, or if one of

650
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:22,440
Speaker 6: the reasons you're not turning the ball over is because

651
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:24,640
Speaker 6: you're having too many three and outs on offense and

652
00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:26,360
Speaker 6: you just don't have the ball to turn it over,

653
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:27,640
Speaker 6: that's not good.

654
00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:30,120
Speaker 2: Or you're not going downfield with the ball like this

655
00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:33,040
Speaker 2: Chicago Bears the Monday Night football where half their plays

656
00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:35,680
Speaker 2: literally we're behind the line of scrimmage. That's really that

657
00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:38,680
Speaker 2: got really frustrated that it was very tedious. Yeah, get

658
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:40,960
Speaker 2: ready for that game in Chicago if they're running that offense.

659
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:43,960
Speaker 3: Wow, well, especially when it's snowing, and.

660
00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:46,160
Speaker 5: Keep it coming, Darren.

661
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:50,520
Speaker 2: The uh don't speak, Harry, Chris met No, don't speak

662
00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:51,520
Speaker 2: it into existence.

663
00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:54,760
Speaker 4: So have you ever thought about getting a heated vest, Paul,

664
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:56,560
Speaker 4: That's a serious question.

665
00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:57,680
Speaker 5: I thought about that, right.

666
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:00,400
Speaker 2: I don't. Do they make heated vest?

667
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:00,880
Speaker 5: They do?

668
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:02,720
Speaker 2: What is powering the heat in vest? Is this like

669
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:04,480
Speaker 2: an iron is just like an iron man thing, and

670
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:05,440
Speaker 2: there's like a nuclear reac.

671
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:10,400
Speaker 4: They're supposedly pretty thin and it's a battery pack that

672
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:12,320
Speaker 4: you just charge and then you put it on.

673
00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:13,440
Speaker 5: It's supposed to keep you warm.

674
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:16,960
Speaker 2: Well, you probably won't encounter this sort of physicality that

675
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:20,040
Speaker 2: I've encountered, Danny. Hopefully you don't. But there have been

676
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:22,960
Speaker 2: times in snow games where I've tried to get near

677
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:25,960
Speaker 2: the heat blower and I'll get a stiff farm. Dudes

678
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:28,960
Speaker 2: will just shove me away like players only CALVC and

679
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:31,680
Speaker 2: they'll shove me away, and I'm like, come on, can't

680
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:33,080
Speaker 2: you make room over here a little bit?

681
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:34,800
Speaker 4: A little bit maybe we can go in on a

682
00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:37,120
Speaker 4: heated vest and we can rotate between the games.

683
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:39,600
Speaker 2: You're right, you know, let's just expensive. Our boss, the

684
00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:41,040
Speaker 2: VP Tim Delaney, won't.

685
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:42,120
Speaker 3: You're just gonna share one.

686
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:44,479
Speaker 2: I mean, Cardl's on ground has a budget. Darren, we're

687
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:46,080
Speaker 2: gonna we're gonna submit an invoice.

688
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:47,560
Speaker 3: Well, you guys are kind of the same size.

689
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:51,080
Speaker 2: Here we go. Well it's just a matter of time,

690
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:52,720
Speaker 2: just a matter of time for that blew up in

691
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:55,040
Speaker 2: my face. So I get from being the snarky guy

692
00:31:55,080 --> 00:32:00,560
Speaker 2: over here. Uh okay, So Steelers, here's my recommendation, went

693
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:03,640
Speaker 2: in doubt. Just steal someone else's game plan somehow. The

694
00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:06,360
Speaker 2: Steelers are seven and four and they're leading the AFC

695
00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:09,360
Speaker 2: wildcard chase, and they just played the first game where

696
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:13,000
Speaker 2: they out gained an opponent their first time in fifty

697
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:16,280
Speaker 2: nine games where they gained more than four hundred yards.

698
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:17,600
Speaker 2: Think about that.

699
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:21,880
Speaker 3: So we're catching them on a hot streaks.

700
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:22,720
Speaker 5: After firing their offensive coordinator.

701
00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:25,000
Speaker 2: Who says you need a stinking QB one. Kenny Pickett

702
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:28,840
Speaker 2: has two touchdown passes since Week four, yet he hasn't

703
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:30,600
Speaker 2: thrown a pick in seven straight games.

704
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:33,040
Speaker 6: Should we have Kyle DRONI come on and talk about

705
00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:35,640
Speaker 6: his boy, Kenny Pickett. They played high school football together.

706
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 2: I mean one in the sam name of Trent Dilfer

707
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:40,720
Speaker 2: is going on here in terms of being a game manager. Right.

708
00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:45,000
Speaker 2: He's letting this Steelers defense cook, and they're running the

709
00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:47,640
Speaker 2: ball with a pair of running backs Najie Harris, and

710
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:51,000
Speaker 2: it's working. And of course they have a head coach

711
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:54,920
Speaker 2: who hasn't experienced a losing season in seventeen NFL campaigns.

712
00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:55,840
Speaker 2: That is ridiculous.

713
00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:57,400
Speaker 3: Pretty sure he's not gonna this year either.

714
00:32:57,480 --> 00:32:57,960
Speaker 4: Yeah.

715
00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:01,840
Speaker 2: So, even though they play in the toughest division in

716
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:05,120
Speaker 2: the NFL, it's it's quite remarkable to see what the

717
00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:05,880
Speaker 2: Steelers are doing.

718
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:08,640
Speaker 6: I saw a fine, fine stat today, Paul.

719
00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:10,240
Speaker 2: Here we go.

720
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:14,840
Speaker 3: Since the moon landing.

721
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:22,160
Speaker 6: Sixty nine the Carolina Panthers have had Since the moon landing,

722
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:25,400
Speaker 6: the Steelers have had half the number of coaches that

723
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:28,000
Speaker 6: the Panthers have had since David Tepper took over.

724
00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:31,080
Speaker 2: If goodness, Wow.

725
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:34,120
Speaker 6: They've had three coaches. The Panthers have had six since

726
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:35,400
Speaker 6: David Tepper bought his team.

727
00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:37,920
Speaker 2: Okay, I don't want to be the Topper guy, but

728
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:39,960
Speaker 2: here's one. Danny, tell me you think of this one

729
00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:46,440
Speaker 2: and in season firing for the Steelers is the ultimate rarity, right,

730
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:50,320
Speaker 2: this is the first time they've fired in season a

731
00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:54,600
Speaker 2: head coach or coordinator since World War Two nineteen forty one.

732
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:58,520
Speaker 5: How old were you then, Darren Okay?

733
00:33:58,640 --> 00:33:59,240
Speaker 3: I deserve that.

734
00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:05,440
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I enjoyed. Uh So, it's not the Steelers way.

735
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:09,000
Speaker 2: That's just not what they do. But you know, when

736
00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:12,279
Speaker 2: when you have crowds at the Pittsburgh Penguins hockey game

737
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:15,520
Speaker 2: channing fire Canada, it just got a little got a

738
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:19,000
Speaker 2: little extreme, and so Matt Canada was relieved of his

739
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:22,360
Speaker 2: duties as offensive coordinator and they split it. They split

740
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:25,279
Speaker 2: it between Mike Sullivan, he's the play caller, and then

741
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:27,480
Speaker 2: the running backs coach whose name is asam front. Oh

742
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:30,560
Speaker 2: here it is Eddie Faulkner, right, So he's the innermost see,

743
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:32,840
Speaker 2: he's the guy holding the meetings and game planning. But

744
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:36,200
Speaker 2: then Mike Sullivan, the quarterbacks coach, is calling plays. I

745
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:38,799
Speaker 2: asked someone about that. They said, theoretically because probably Kenny

746
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:40,840
Speaker 2: Pickett is used to hearing the voice of Mike Sullivan,

747
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:43,239
Speaker 2: the quarterbacks coach, so he's the one actually calling the

748
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:47,080
Speaker 2: place into the helmet. Okay, whatever, They've topped one hundred

749
00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:49,240
Speaker 2: and fifty yards rushing in each of the last four games.

750
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:52,880
Speaker 2: That's where you need to be concerned. Considering what just

751
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:54,000
Speaker 2: happened against the Rams.

752
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:57,680
Speaker 4: I would imagine that's the very first part of Pittsburgh's

753
00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:00,960
Speaker 4: game plan coming off the week that the Cardinals just had,

754
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:04,600
Speaker 4: trying to stop the Rams and Rams and being unsuccessful,

755
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:09,560
Speaker 4: especially in a weather game like this, where sure some

756
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:12,320
Speaker 4: of the players might have experienced that either earlier points

757
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:14,799
Speaker 4: in their career or in college or where they grew up,

758
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:18,920
Speaker 4: but it's different when you're not consistently practicing in cold

759
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:22,960
Speaker 4: or rainy or snowy weather. I don't necessarily think it's

760
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:26,239
Speaker 4: a huge disadvantage for the Cardinals, but I don't think

761
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:29,680
Speaker 4: it necessarily helps them with the situation they're going into.

762
00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:33,919
Speaker 6: I think the running first is always the Steelers first

763
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:36,120
Speaker 6: game plan. It doesn't matter who they're playing or what

764
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:39,800
Speaker 6: decade they're playing in. I mean, didn't didn't one of

765
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:42,200
Speaker 6: the didn't They have issues with Bruce arians right before

766
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:44,759
Speaker 6: he left because he always throwing the ball to much.

767
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:47,479
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, no, you're right, yeah, and too many chunk

768
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:50,480
Speaker 2: throws the whole No biscuit. No, no risk of no

769
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:52,880
Speaker 2: biscuit thing. They were not down with that. That was

770
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:57,000
Speaker 2: not the Steeler way either, absolutely not so when he

771
00:35:57,040 --> 00:36:01,080
Speaker 2: got refired right and hired by the Cardinals and subsequently

772
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:03,160
Speaker 2: he turns out he did not retire.

773
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:04,600
Speaker 5: Can't Wolf talk to.

774
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:07,080
Speaker 4: His brother and get some sort of scoop on Pittsburgh's

775
00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:07,960
Speaker 4: game plan or something?

776
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:09,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good one, you're right.

777
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:12,000
Speaker 5: So he does play by player color for them.

778
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:14,760
Speaker 2: He's the color analyst, Craig Wolfley. He was a former

779
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:18,840
Speaker 2: offensive lineman for twelve years for the Steelers. So we

780
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:23,040
Speaker 2: might see Craig on Saturday. Hopefully we do. And yeah,

781
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:24,799
Speaker 2: like you know, I went on wolf Show earlier, and

782
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:28,120
Speaker 2: as I tweeted out at Paul calpc, why can't I

783
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:31,200
Speaker 2: go on Craig's radio show? You know, I'm sicking tired

784
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:33,319
Speaker 2: of going on Ron's radio show. Can I please go

785
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:35,200
Speaker 2: on Craig's radio show and we can talk ourselves some

786
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:37,480
Speaker 2: real football around here. But it is amazing they have

787
00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:39,520
Speaker 2: the same voice, they have the same wrestling.

788
00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 4: Voice, and have multiple I mean, I was their brothers,

789
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:45,240
Speaker 4: but to have multiple people with that unique voice is cool.

790
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:48,520
Speaker 2: So and Big Max Starks will be on the sideline.

791
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:50,520
Speaker 2: You can't miss him because he's six foot eight. So

792
00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:54,120
Speaker 2: he's down on the sideline doing the radio sideline reporter

793
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:57,200
Speaker 2: gig down there. So yeah, if we have in clement weather,

794
00:36:57,320 --> 00:36:59,080
Speaker 2: maybe I'll just stand next to Big Max and he

795
00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:02,279
Speaker 2: can he can my tarp of sorts down there.

796
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:04,480
Speaker 4: Are we giving a shout out to the Jags today

797
00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:07,480
Speaker 4: because they beat the Texans?

798
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:10,399
Speaker 2: Oh, you're right. I just looked at that. So right

799
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:13,400
Speaker 2: now the Texans would pick seventeenth, that would be the

800
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:16,080
Speaker 2: Cardinals pick. It went from twenty to seventeenth.

801
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:19,160
Speaker 6: I like that every week and go down three. Then

802
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:21,080
Speaker 6: we're cooking by the end of the season.

803
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:24,040
Speaker 2: In fact, I called it up here. Here's the remaining games,

804
00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:28,879
Speaker 2: the final six for the Houston Texans Broncos that I'm

805
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:32,480
Speaker 2: just gonna okay, let's just say against the Broncos loss.

806
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:33,920
Speaker 3: Where is that game?

807
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:38,399
Speaker 2: It's home against the Broncos. At the Jets win. At

808
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:41,120
Speaker 2: the Titans, I'm gonna say lost. The Titans are four

809
00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:43,040
Speaker 2: to oh at home. It's they're only four wins all

810
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:46,359
Speaker 2: at home. They're undefeated. That's a division game. And then

811
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:50,840
Speaker 2: they're home against the Browns. Quarterback issues home against the Titans,

812
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 2: that'll be a dub. And then at the Colts. Colts

813
00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:56,480
Speaker 2: are the most perplexing team in the NFL right now?

814
00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:59,360
Speaker 2: How do they have a winning record with Gardner Minshew

815
00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:01,680
Speaker 2: out out to Shane Stichen right and what he's done

816
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:05,399
Speaker 2: in Indianapolis? I don't know. But anyway, that's that's where

817
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:08,399
Speaker 2: that stands. Maybe, just maybe, if the Cardinals are lucky,

818
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:11,440
Speaker 2: c J. Stroud will hit the rookie wall el grande

819
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:13,200
Speaker 2: and then all of a sudden his play will fall

820
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:16,200
Speaker 2: off significantly. I don't think so, probably not gonna happen.

821
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:20,160
Speaker 2: It's called wishful thinking over there. Okay, uh so anything

822
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:23,799
Speaker 2: else I'm missing? Anything sticking in your crass from that

823
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:24,479
Speaker 2: Rams game?

824
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:28,760
Speaker 4: Oh no, no, okay, Darren? How is your Thanksgiving brunch

825
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:29,440
Speaker 4: that you cooked?

826
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:31,000
Speaker 3: It was okay?

827
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:35,839
Speaker 6: Oh my my little French toast cast role thing didn't

828
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:37,759
Speaker 6: turn out quite the way I wanted it to. It

829
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:41,840
Speaker 6: was edible, it was edible, okay, but it wasn't.

830
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:45,160
Speaker 2: How how so how does a French toast castrole not

831
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:45,879
Speaker 2: turn out?

832
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:48,560
Speaker 6: I just it was one of those things where you

833
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:51,040
Speaker 6: know how you like take the recipe and you're like, okay,

834
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:53,279
Speaker 6: I'm gonna do the math here to increase it for

835
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:54,200
Speaker 6: all the people we're having.

836
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:56,640
Speaker 3: And I don't think that quite math to the way

837
00:38:57,160 --> 00:38:57,480
Speaker 3: it too.

838
00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:01,600
Speaker 2: This wasn't the first time you made the French host dish, okay.

839
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:03,240
Speaker 3: I think it was the I'm sure that was there.

840
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:06,000
Speaker 6: It was there and again very edible. A lot of

841
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:08,560
Speaker 6: people ate it. It was still very good. If you

842
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:09,680
Speaker 6: didn't care what it looked like.

843
00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 2: Well, maybe have a future is like an army cook,

844
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:14,880
Speaker 2: you know, just cooked for the masses.

845
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:17,160
Speaker 6: There you go, you know, or probably not now maybe

846
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:20,440
Speaker 6: I'll let somebody else do that discerning, but it was

847
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 6: it was good. We want We had some family over

848
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:24,840
Speaker 6: in the morning. My oldest son went to work. My

849
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:27,960
Speaker 6: younger son, who's the head freshman basketball coach at Corona,

850
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:30,040
Speaker 6: said I'm gonna go shoot some baskets over at the

851
00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:31,719
Speaker 6: high school. So I went with them and we shot

852
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:32,880
Speaker 6: baskets on Thanksgiving.

853
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:35,480
Speaker 2: I've noticed, though, Danny, that you've asked a lot of

854
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:37,560
Speaker 2: other people how their Thanksgiving went, but we haven't heard

855
00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:38,920
Speaker 2: anything about your Thanksgiving.

856
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:40,960
Speaker 3: She made some pretty good mac and cheese, I see

857
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:42,440
Speaker 3: I did for well.

858
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:46,800
Speaker 4: On actual Thanksgiving, I was with my friend and her family,

859
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:49,919
Speaker 4: which was nice. And then we had friends Giving, which

860
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:52,160
Speaker 4: I had to explain to Craig what what that was.

861
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:53,360
Speaker 3: Because he doesn't have any friends.

862
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:55,560
Speaker 4: You keep saying that, I'm not the one saying that.

863
00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:59,000
Speaker 4: And I made baked mac and cheese for friends Giving.

864
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:01,359
Speaker 4: I made two pounds worth apasta. There was a lot

865
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:03,600
Speaker 4: of baked mac and cheese, which was a big hit.

866
00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:05,640
Speaker 5: It was. It was pretty good, if I do say

867
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:07,200
Speaker 5: so myself good.

868
00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:09,640
Speaker 2: She's like Kyler, a lot a lot of confidence in

869
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:12,560
Speaker 2: a lot of confidence in the cooking. You know, I dabble,

870
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:17,320
Speaker 2: but he's speaking of big Max, Start's former offensive lineman

871
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:18,960
Speaker 2: who had a cup of coffee with the Cardinals once

872
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:21,560
Speaker 2: upon a time. You know. I said to Max, I said,

873
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:24,239
Speaker 2: you know, you don't ask women and former offensive lineman

874
00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:26,759
Speaker 2: their current weight. But he's a large man. I said,

875
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:28,960
Speaker 2: what kind of damage can you do at the Thanksgiving table?

876
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:30,879
Speaker 2: And he said, well, I get a sidecar the mac

877
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:33,439
Speaker 2: and cheese from my wife. Never heard that turn before.

878
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:35,960
Speaker 2: So there's a side dish and then there's a side car.

879
00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:38,279
Speaker 2: So he got he gets the side car all to

880
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:42,000
Speaker 2: himself of the mac and cheese on Thanksgiving Day.

881
00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:43,960
Speaker 3: That's a lot of food, Yes, a lot.

882
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:47,160
Speaker 2: There's a lot of Max starks, Yes there is, so

883
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:50,120
Speaker 2: put it that way. Okay, all right, there you go.

884
00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:52,399
Speaker 2: That'll do it for this edition of By the way,

885
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:55,040
Speaker 2: who's going to uh Primanny Brothers. I know Jim A.

886
00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:57,880
Speaker 2: Mahundro is going to go over there for the sandwiches

887
00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:01,840
Speaker 2: with the fries included in the sandwich is the signature aspect.

888
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:03,560
Speaker 5: I also learned.

889
00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:06,360
Speaker 4: That they put Pittsburgh puts fries in their salad because

890
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:09,320
Speaker 4: we had that at lunch of the facility, and apparently

891
00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:10,680
Speaker 4: that's called the Pittsburgh salad.

892
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:12,320
Speaker 2: All right, well.

893
00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:15,279
Speaker 6: Pretty much French fried foods and whatever.

894
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:17,520
Speaker 3: With your vegetables, with your salad.

895
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:23,040
Speaker 2: With your ballance, Darren, YenS will learn yeens will learn

896
00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:25,560
Speaker 2: that Pittsburgh ways by the end of the week. That'll

897
00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:27,440
Speaker 2: do it for this edition of Cardinals Underground. Brought to

898
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:28,920
Speaker 2: you by Pacific Office Automation