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Speaker 1: as sad as it is, I mean it's war, and

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Speaker 1: some of that is inevitable. What do you make of then,

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Speaker 1: and why this intense focus on you know, numbers as

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Speaker 1: opposed to why is Ree's at war? Why is real

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Speaker 1: needs to defend itself and what the ultimate goal should be.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think part of it is a lack of knowledge.

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Speaker 3: What I mean by a lack of knowledge is from

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Speaker 3: a soldier's perspective, war is terrible, and those that have

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Speaker 3: fought in it know how terrible it is. And I

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Speaker 3: remember it used to when I would talk with the

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Speaker 3: president or the vice president, I'd say, you know, before

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Speaker 3: you go in here, you understand people are going to die,

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Speaker 3: a lot of them, and these you know, when you

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Speaker 3: see these distinguished the transfers up at Dover, that's the

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Speaker 3: result of the decision that you will make or not make.

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Speaker 3: And I think they just don't understand how hard it is.

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Speaker 3: But historically speaking, it's a lack of historical knowledge, Lisa,

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Speaker 3: You know I remind people I said, you know, I'll

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Speaker 3: just give you some I'll give you three examples. You know,

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Speaker 3: when ship back in the Third Punic War, back a

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Speaker 3: few days when Sippio Africanus went into Carthage, and they

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Speaker 3: were so mad at the Carthaginians from what they'd done

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Speaker 3: from Hannibal on. They basically destroyed Carthage. The last seventy

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Speaker 3: thousand they took as slaves and they destroyed the city

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Speaker 3: and then tilted under using sand. Fast forward to the

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Speaker 3: Civil War with Ulysses s Grant and he was sent

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Speaker 3: Sherman in his march to the sea and they burned

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Speaker 3: it in Sherman burned Atlanta to the ground no military reason.

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Speaker 3: Just did it. Sent a point World War two when

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Speaker 3: you look at what we did with both resident in

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Speaker 3: Tokyo with Dresden, we just did that deliberately to level

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Speaker 3: a complete German city for no military reason. We're just

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Speaker 3: sending a message. And that's what's going to have to happen.

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Speaker 3: And that's where our war is so hard, and there's

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Speaker 3: there's there is not good accountability. And when you get

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Speaker 3: into a built up area or a city and you're fighting,

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Speaker 3: it gets even worse because inside the rubble there are

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Speaker 3: going to be bodies. There's going to be civilians that

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Speaker 3: are killed. But that is the reason why you never

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Speaker 3: want to get into war. But if you get into

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Speaker 3: the war, you need to prosecute it as hard as

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Speaker 3: you can to limit the damage long term and bring

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Speaker 3: into a conclusion as best you can. And sometimes bringing

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Speaker 3: it to inclusion conclusion is you have to be very

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Speaker 3: very hard. I mean again. I made a comment in

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Speaker 3: you know John Roberts yesterday, I said, this is the

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Speaker 3: time when inside the situation room you need to have

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Speaker 3: people who have nerves of steel and a steel spine,

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Speaker 3: and they need to make those hard calls and afterwards

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Speaker 3: they probably want to go up and you know, throw

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Speaker 3: throw up in the corner, because what they're doing is

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Speaker 3: making sure that people understand this is going to be

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Speaker 3: a very horrific fight and there's going to be civilians

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Speaker 3: that are going to die. We didn't want this fight,

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Speaker 3: but this is the way it's going to be, and

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Speaker 3: you prosecute to its fullest, because if you don't prosecute

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Speaker 3: war to its fullest, then you're going to end up

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Speaker 3: with another Hamas year, two years, five years, ten years

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Speaker 3: down the line with no resolution. And I don't think

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Speaker 3: the Israeli's leads can afford that. I think they've got

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Speaker 3: to eradicate this and they need to start all over again.

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Speaker 3: You know, when we were doing the Abraham Abraham Accords,

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Speaker 3: we actually went to Bahrain and we did Peace through

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Speaker 3: Prosperity where Jared Kushner went there and we wanted to

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Speaker 3: show the Palestinians in a briefing what this could look like.

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Speaker 3: Palestinians would even show up to the meeting, so we

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Speaker 3: never really got to show him what we tried to

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Speaker 3: do economically, because Trump always came at the world from

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Speaker 3: an economic vision first, and then he went to a

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Speaker 3: military version instead of the other way around. Instead of

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Speaker 3: a military or kinetic version, then they're an economic version.

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Speaker 3: It was all is the economic, diplomatic then military, you.

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Speaker 1: Know, and then also we know that you know, obviously

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Speaker 1: Hamas tries to increase those civilian deaths, and then you know,

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Speaker 1: even further, it's you know, I think it's kind of

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Speaker 1: difficult to differentiate between the average Palestinian and Hamas when

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Speaker 1: polls show so many Palestinians support Hamas and have taken

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Speaker 1: part in the attacks, and you know, so there's a

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Speaker 1: lot of great territory in that way.

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Speaker 2: Can Israel go it alone?

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Speaker 1: You know, if they continue to face this pushback from

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Speaker 1: the Biden administration, from the international community, should they go

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Speaker 1: it alone?

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Speaker 2: Can they go it alone?

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Speaker 3: I think if you're looking at Hamash and Hesblah, I

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Speaker 3: think right now they can contain it. But if it

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Speaker 3: starts being involved with outside actors Iran, they cannot then

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Speaker 3: I think my concern then is you go to a

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Speaker 3: real escalation phase and the Israelis are not afraid to escalate,

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Speaker 3: and who knows where that will take them, but they

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Speaker 3: are not willing. And I said earlier these historical references

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Speaker 3: are very important biblical references because they really mean never again,

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Speaker 3: and if they have to, they will use an ultimate weapon,

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Speaker 3: and that means within the region. And I really believe that.

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Speaker 3: So right now, I think we need to support them.

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Speaker 3: They can handle Hamas. I don't think HESBLA really wants

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Speaker 3: to get involved because so they're now more of a

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Speaker 3: political party than a military party in Lebanon. But I

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Speaker 3: think they're going to be okay. But if they don't

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Speaker 3: have our support, it's going to be a really really

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Speaker 3: hard slog form. And what I mean by our support,

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Speaker 3: the President needs to say, hey, BB dude, eradicate Hamas

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Speaker 3: over to you, instead of saying, well, we need to

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Speaker 3: worry about the prisoners, we need to worry about the

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Speaker 3: use of force, which to me is an insult to

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Speaker 3: the Israelis when we start talking to them about the

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Speaker 3: rules of war when the other side hasn't even acknowledged

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Speaker 3: them at all. I said guys. You know, if anybody's

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Speaker 3: been following the rules of war warfare is the Israeli

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Speaker 3: and not Hamas. So I think they can contain it,

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Speaker 3: but they need to finish the job. But they need

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Speaker 3: our support to do it. And I think everybody's waiting

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Speaker 3: in the world waiting how the United States is going

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Speaker 3: to react to this. There's a lot of countries waiting

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Speaker 3: on the sidelines right now. Are they going to weigh in?

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Speaker 3: And I don't think they're going to weigh in until

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Speaker 3: they have firm commitment and confidence in President Joe Biden

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Speaker 3: that he's going to do the right thing. I think

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Speaker 3: they're just going to stand back and watch, which.

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Speaker 1: Is a sad state of the fairs because you know,

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Speaker 1: I don't have confidence in this president to do the

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Speaker 1: right thing, you know, particularly when all of a sudden

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Speaker 1: the issue is Islamophobia. After he pulls with seventeen percent

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Speaker 1: of Arab Americans, you know, a cle clear political move

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Speaker 1: on his behalf, and instead of just doing the right thing,

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Speaker 1: General Keith Kellogg, I've learned so much from you today.

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Speaker 2: Is there anything you'd like to leave us with before

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Speaker 2: we go?

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Speaker 3: I actually go back to J. R. R. Tolkien you

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Speaker 3: know who wrote The Lord of the Rings since deceased,

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Speaker 3: and he said there's a great comment he made. He said,

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Speaker 3: there's a lot of good in this world and it's

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Speaker 3: worth fighting for. And I really believe that, and I

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Speaker 3: think this is the time when you have to support

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Speaker 3: people who want to fight, regardless of where they're at,

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Speaker 3: for good in the world. And I think if we

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Speaker 3: don't fight for good in the world, I don't care

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Speaker 3: if it's economically, I don't care if it's politically, I

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Speaker 3: don't care if it's militarily it can be all those

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Speaker 3: things are one of those things, then I think we

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Speaker 3: need a huge mistake, and I think people need to

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Speaker 3: sit back and really think real hard, think about history

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Speaker 3: and think about how we got here and how we're

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Speaker 3: kind of a blessed nation and what that means, and

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Speaker 3: put everybody pull together. I don't think this administration is

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Speaker 3: can do it for us. I think we have to

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Speaker 3: do it on our own.

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Speaker 1: Jeneral Kellogg, I appreciate your wisdom and bringing this information

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Speaker 1: to my audience and taking the time to join us today.

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Speaker 2: It's an honor. I really do appreciate your time, sir.

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Speaker 3: Thanks Lisa, thanks for having me.

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Speaker 2: That was General Pete Kellogg.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate him taking the time to come on the

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Speaker 1: show learn so much from him. I hope you guys

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Speaker 1: did too. I appreciate you for listening every Monday and

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Speaker 1: his debut. You can listen throughout the week. I want

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Speaker 1: to thank John Cassio and my producer for putting the

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Speaker 1: show together.

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Speaker 2: Until next time,