1 00:00:00,640 --> 00:00:01,280 Speaker 1: And you're here. 2 00:00:01,400 --> 00:00:03,960 Speaker 2: Thanks for choosing the iHeartRadio and Coast to Ghost Day 3 00:00:04,000 --> 00:00:09,200 Speaker 2: and Paranormal Podcast Network. Your quest for podcasts of the paranormal, supernatural, 4 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,320 Speaker 2: and the unexplained ends here. They invite you to enjoy 5 00:00:12,400 --> 00:00:15,120 Speaker 2: all our shows we have on this network, and right now, 6 00:00:15,400 --> 00:00:18,680 Speaker 2: let's start with Chase of the Afterlife with Sandra Champlain. 7 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:25,200 Speaker 1: Welcome to our podcast. Please be aware the thoughts and 8 00:00:25,280 --> 00:00:29,240 Speaker 1: opinions expressed by the host are their thoughts and opinions 9 00:00:29,280 --> 00:00:34,480 Speaker 1: only and do not reflect those of iHeartMedia, iHeartRadio, Coast 10 00:00:34,520 --> 00:00:38,960 Speaker 1: to Coast, am employees of Premiere Networks, or their sponsors 11 00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:42,159 Speaker 1: and associates. We would like to encourage you to do 12 00:00:42,240 --> 00:00:51,320 Speaker 1: your own research and discover the subject matter for yourself. Hi. 13 00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:55,639 Speaker 1: I'm Sandra Champlain. For over twenty five years, I've been 14 00:00:55,680 --> 00:00:59,240 Speaker 1: on a journey to prove the existence of life after death. 15 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:03,960 Speaker 1: Each episode will discuss the reasons we now know that 16 00:01:04,040 --> 00:01:09,360 Speaker 1: our loved ones have survived physical death and so will we. 17 00:01:09,360 --> 00:01:12,440 Speaker 1: Welcome to Shades of the Afterlife. Have you ever had 18 00:01:12,480 --> 00:01:15,600 Speaker 1: a debate with someone about your belief in the afterlife? 19 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:19,280 Speaker 1: I firmly believe we can't push this on anyone. People 20 00:01:19,319 --> 00:01:22,160 Speaker 1: will start asking the questions when they're ready, but they 21 00:01:22,200 --> 00:01:26,640 Speaker 1: certainly won't believe just because we believe. So debating is good, 22 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:34,240 Speaker 1: but sometimes their debates between after life explorers. Here's an example. Recently, 23 00:01:34,319 --> 00:01:37,920 Speaker 1: I received a blog post from one of my closest friends. 24 00:01:38,360 --> 00:01:42,520 Speaker 1: Her name is Roberta Grimes. She is the host of 25 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:46,600 Speaker 1: the Sikh Reality podcast. She's the author of many books, 26 00:01:46,600 --> 00:01:48,440 Speaker 1: including the Fun of Dying. 27 00:01:48,920 --> 00:01:49,400 Speaker 3: She is a. 28 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:53,640 Speaker 1: Lawyer, a researcher, and truly a pioneer in the field 29 00:01:53,960 --> 00:01:58,400 Speaker 1: of the afterlife and afterlife communications. But even best friends 30 00:01:58,400 --> 00:02:02,280 Speaker 1: don't agree on everything. And in her blog post, it 31 00:02:02,360 --> 00:02:05,440 Speaker 1: was simply titled near death, and in it she shared 32 00:02:05,440 --> 00:02:08,600 Speaker 1: a story about her own husband. I want to share 33 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:11,040 Speaker 1: a part of it with you because it touches on 34 00:02:11,120 --> 00:02:14,440 Speaker 1: a secret fear, that fear of what when I die. 35 00:02:14,600 --> 00:02:18,560 Speaker 1: I don't see that light. So Roberta wrote this four 36 00:02:18,639 --> 00:02:23,160 Speaker 1: years ago. My husband had surgery for a minor intestinal issue. 37 00:02:23,440 --> 00:02:27,000 Speaker 1: When he woke up in recovery, my beloved looked stark 38 00:02:27,160 --> 00:02:31,400 Speaker 1: and stricken. He was horrified. He told me, in a 39 00:02:31,400 --> 00:02:35,160 Speaker 1: feeble voice, filled with fear, that he hadn't had a 40 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:39,720 Speaker 1: near death experience while he was under general anesthesia, so 41 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:43,800 Speaker 1: that meant to him that there is no life after death. 42 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:48,080 Speaker 1: He only faced blankness. So let's pause for a second. 43 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:50,840 Speaker 1: Here's a man married to one of the world's leading 44 00:02:51,160 --> 00:02:55,960 Speaker 1: afterlife experts, and yet in the recovery room he is terrified. 45 00:02:56,480 --> 00:03:00,440 Speaker 1: Why because he thought that if the afterlife was real, 46 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:04,280 Speaker 1: he should have seen it while he was under He 47 00:03:04,440 --> 00:03:09,200 Speaker 1: thought that because he experienced blankness, that meant the void 48 00:03:09,600 --> 00:03:12,679 Speaker 1: was all there would ever be for him. Roberta, being 49 00:03:12,720 --> 00:03:16,240 Speaker 1: the incredible researcher she is, tried to comfort him with 50 00:03:16,280 --> 00:03:20,440 Speaker 1: this logic. She explained to him, my dear, most people 51 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:24,920 Speaker 1: who have general anesthesia don't have near death experiences. That 52 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:28,639 Speaker 1: doesn't mean the afterlife isn't there. It just means you 53 00:03:28,680 --> 00:03:31,960 Speaker 1: didn't get there. But then Roberta went on to argue 54 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:35,480 Speaker 1: something fascinating in her blog post, and this is where 55 00:03:35,640 --> 00:03:39,440 Speaker 1: my debate with her begins. She wrote, the plain fact 56 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:43,000 Speaker 1: is most people in their lives will never have a 57 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:48,480 Speaker 1: near death experience. The evidence is overwhelming that death is 58 00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:52,840 Speaker 1: always a one way trip. Anyone who claims otherwise, who 59 00:03:52,880 --> 00:03:56,520 Speaker 1: insists that he died and then came back to life, 60 00:03:56,800 --> 00:04:01,320 Speaker 1: is telling a fabricated story. So that's a pretty strong statement, right. 61 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:05,720 Speaker 1: Roberta believes that if you come back, you didn't die, 62 00:04:05,960 --> 00:04:09,480 Speaker 1: and she bases this on a concept found in the Bible. 63 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:14,440 Speaker 1: It talks about the silver chord. The scripture says, remember 64 00:04:14,520 --> 00:04:17,960 Speaker 1: him before the silver cord is severed and the golden 65 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:21,760 Speaker 1: bowl is broken and the spirit returns to God who 66 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:26,279 Speaker 1: gave it. Roberta argues, and many spiritual traditions agree, that 67 00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:32,800 Speaker 1: this silver cord is a real energetic lifeline. It is bluish, shimmery, 68 00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:37,719 Speaker 1: and an infinitely stretched chord that attaches your eternal spirit 69 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:41,800 Speaker 1: to your physical body. It's like an astronaut's tether during 70 00:04:41,839 --> 00:04:45,800 Speaker 1: a spacewalk. He is still connected to the life support system. 71 00:04:46,279 --> 00:04:49,960 Speaker 1: Roberta's argument is that during a near death experience, that 72 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:55,440 Speaker 1: silver chord stretches. It lets us visit the foyer of 73 00:04:55,480 --> 00:04:58,840 Speaker 1: the afterlife. It lets us see the light and feel 74 00:04:58,880 --> 00:05:03,799 Speaker 1: the love. Because the chord never breaks, we aren't technically dead. 75 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:08,400 Speaker 1: We are just visitors. We are tourists, and therefore, she argues, 76 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:13,240 Speaker 1: NDEs are not proof of what happens when the chord 77 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:17,400 Speaker 1: finally snaps. She believes the only true death is the 78 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:20,279 Speaker 1: one you and I don't come back. From now. I 79 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:23,279 Speaker 1: love Roberta, and I agree with most of this and 80 00:05:23,320 --> 00:05:25,800 Speaker 1: that the silver cord is real, and I do believe 81 00:05:25,880 --> 00:05:28,720 Speaker 1: it is that lifeline that pulls us back when it's 82 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:31,279 Speaker 1: not our time to go. But here is where I 83 00:05:31,560 --> 00:05:36,560 Speaker 1: gently push back. If an ND is just a hallucination 84 00:05:36,839 --> 00:05:40,400 Speaker 1: or a dream caused by a dying brain, or even 85 00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:44,400 Speaker 1: just a spiritual visit that doesn't count as death, then 86 00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:49,719 Speaker 1: how do we explain the evidence? Specifically, how do we 87 00:05:50,080 --> 00:05:55,640 Speaker 1: explain vertical evidence? Veritical is a fancy word for verifiable. 88 00:05:56,160 --> 00:05:59,440 Speaker 1: It means facts. It means things you can prove in 89 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:02,400 Speaker 1: a court of law. If a patient floats out of 90 00:06:02,440 --> 00:06:06,760 Speaker 1: their body with their eyes taped shut and their brains flatlined, 91 00:06:07,080 --> 00:06:10,200 Speaker 1: and they see a hidden object on top of a cabinet, 92 00:06:10,640 --> 00:06:13,279 Speaker 1: or they hear a conversation in a waiting room down 93 00:06:13,320 --> 00:06:16,159 Speaker 1: the hall, or a blind person can see for the 94 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:19,960 Speaker 1: very first time, how is all of that possible? If 95 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:23,520 Speaker 1: the soul can detach from the body and gather intelligence, 96 00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:27,359 Speaker 1: doesn't that prove, regardless of whether the silver cord is 97 00:06:27,360 --> 00:06:31,240 Speaker 1: broken or not, that we are not our bodies. Doesn't 98 00:06:31,240 --> 00:06:35,320 Speaker 1: it prove that consciousness does not need a brain to 99 00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:38,280 Speaker 1: see doesn't it prove that we can think, feel and 100 00:06:38,520 --> 00:06:42,279 Speaker 1: love without a beating heart. So today, for Roberta and 101 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:45,200 Speaker 1: for her husband, and for you and for me, I 102 00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:49,560 Speaker 1: want to present several stories. These are stories of verifiable vision. 103 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:53,799 Speaker 1: Our first witness today is a man named Wayne Caesaro. 104 00:06:54,240 --> 00:06:58,160 Speaker 1: Now Wayne is not a mystic. He is a project manager. 105 00:06:58,240 --> 00:07:02,480 Speaker 1: He's an it guy. He's spent his career building infrastructures, 106 00:07:02,720 --> 00:07:07,760 Speaker 1: managing data centers, and creating spreadsheets. He's a man of logic, structure, 107 00:07:07,839 --> 00:07:12,400 Speaker 1: and plans. Wayne's story begins on an ordinary day at 108 00:07:12,400 --> 00:07:15,400 Speaker 1: his home. He had caught a cold from his granddaughter, 109 00:07:15,840 --> 00:07:18,360 Speaker 1: so he wasn't feeling great. But he's a tough guy, 110 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:22,080 Speaker 1: even now in his seventies. He's a certified personal trainer. 111 00:07:22,160 --> 00:07:25,600 Speaker 1: So this guy takes care of himself. So despite the sniffles, 112 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:28,680 Speaker 1: he went outside to split firewood. He was down there 113 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:32,680 Speaker 1: working lifting logs, swinging the axe, but every time he 114 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:36,400 Speaker 1: stood up, he felt a wave of vertigo. He ignored 115 00:07:36,440 --> 00:07:38,960 Speaker 1: it for three or four hours because well, the work 116 00:07:39,040 --> 00:07:42,600 Speaker 1: had to get done. But eventually the vertigo got worse 117 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:46,640 Speaker 1: and he started having trouble breathing. He decided to walk 118 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:49,600 Speaker 1: back up the hill to his house to rest. He 119 00:07:49,680 --> 00:07:52,560 Speaker 1: got into the yard, closed the gate behind him, and 120 00:07:52,600 --> 00:07:56,240 Speaker 1: then wham. He describes it like being hit by a 121 00:07:56,280 --> 00:07:59,920 Speaker 1: mac truck. He fell to his knees. He couldn't breathe, 122 00:08:00,280 --> 00:08:03,200 Speaker 1: he was gasping for air. He tried to stand up, 123 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:07,000 Speaker 1: but he collapsed face first onto the ground. He had 124 00:08:07,040 --> 00:08:10,240 Speaker 1: his phone. He called nine one to one, but because 125 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:13,040 Speaker 1: he lives in the country, the ambulance took a long 126 00:08:13,160 --> 00:08:16,720 Speaker 1: time to arrive. While he was lying there, fading in 127 00:08:16,840 --> 00:08:20,160 Speaker 1: and out, he managed to tell the operator to call 128 00:08:20,200 --> 00:08:24,080 Speaker 1: his daughter. And here's a crucial detail, something that adds 129 00:08:24,080 --> 00:08:28,520 Speaker 1: so much weight to what happens next. Wayne had a DNR, 130 00:08:29,160 --> 00:08:33,000 Speaker 1: a do not Resuscitate order. He had decided long ago 131 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:35,480 Speaker 1: that if it was his time to go, he wanted 132 00:08:35,520 --> 00:08:39,320 Speaker 1: to go. He told the medics that he was ready, 133 00:08:39,760 --> 00:08:42,200 Speaker 1: but when they finally got him to the hospital, he 134 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:45,960 Speaker 1: was gone. He had suffered a massive heart attack and 135 00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:49,880 Speaker 1: respiratory failure. His daughter arrived at the emergency room at 136 00:08:49,880 --> 00:08:53,320 Speaker 1: the exact moment he was dying. She walked into the room, 137 00:08:53,760 --> 00:08:57,560 Speaker 1: saw them losing him, and she made a split second decision. 138 00:08:58,080 --> 00:09:00,560 Speaker 1: She looked at the doctors and said, I am his 139 00:09:00,640 --> 00:09:05,680 Speaker 1: power of attorney, forget the DNR, save him. She disobeyed 140 00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:08,880 Speaker 1: his orders, and thank god she did, because while his 141 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:13,079 Speaker 1: body was lying on that table, intubated and full of steroids, 142 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:16,920 Speaker 1: Wain was gone, but he was on a journey. Waine 143 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:21,480 Speaker 1: describes leaving his body, but what he experienced wasn't chaos, 144 00:09:22,040 --> 00:09:26,080 Speaker 1: it wasn't a dream. As a project manager, his brain 145 00:09:26,360 --> 00:09:33,040 Speaker 1: organized the afterlife into phases. He experienced distinct phases of 146 00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:37,439 Speaker 1: the crossing phase. One was what he calls the white cloud. 147 00:09:37,800 --> 00:09:40,600 Speaker 1: He felt himself popping out of his body. He was 148 00:09:40,640 --> 00:09:44,600 Speaker 1: suddenly floating in a white mist filled with sunlight. He said, 149 00:09:44,640 --> 00:09:47,600 Speaker 1: it wasn't a blinding light, but a very comfortable one. 150 00:09:47,960 --> 00:09:51,760 Speaker 1: And in that light he heard a command. It wasn't 151 00:09:51,800 --> 00:09:54,880 Speaker 1: a voice like a human voice. It was a telepathic 152 00:09:55,000 --> 00:10:00,640 Speaker 1: instruction from the universe itself. It simply said peace at peace, 153 00:10:01,280 --> 00:10:05,880 Speaker 1: and instantly he was. But then came the feelings. Wayne 154 00:10:05,920 --> 00:10:11,200 Speaker 1: said he just didn't feel good. He felt specific, tactile 155 00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:15,520 Speaker 1: memories of love. He said that he felt the sensation 156 00:10:15,880 --> 00:10:18,920 Speaker 1: of sitting on his grandmother's lap as a small child. 157 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:22,160 Speaker 1: He could feel the warmth of her presence. He could 158 00:10:22,160 --> 00:10:25,760 Speaker 1: feel the warm washcloth on his face as she cleaned 159 00:10:25,800 --> 00:10:29,520 Speaker 1: him up after school. It was safety, it was care. 160 00:10:30,120 --> 00:10:33,079 Speaker 1: He felt the sensation of a buddy elbowing him in 161 00:10:33,120 --> 00:10:37,160 Speaker 1: the ribs, joking around. He felt the sensation of standing 162 00:10:37,400 --> 00:10:40,600 Speaker 1: on the deck of a boat under full sail, with 163 00:10:40,760 --> 00:10:44,120 Speaker 1: the wind and spray in his hair. He was being 164 00:10:44,200 --> 00:10:48,319 Speaker 1: bathed in the greatest hits of his life's sensory joy. 165 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:52,839 Speaker 1: Then came phase two, which he calls the presentation. He 166 00:10:52,880 --> 00:10:55,880 Speaker 1: felt like he was in a great hall, and suddenly 167 00:10:56,120 --> 00:10:59,920 Speaker 1: people began to be presented to him, almost like royalty 168 00:11:00,280 --> 00:11:04,160 Speaker 1: being announced at a ball. First he saw his wife. 169 00:11:04,800 --> 00:11:08,800 Speaker 1: She had passed away years ago. He said, she looked beautiful, 170 00:11:09,160 --> 00:11:12,480 Speaker 1: better than she looked forty years ago. She was radiant. 171 00:11:12,880 --> 00:11:18,280 Speaker 1: She was surrounded by animals and what looked like sainted beings. 172 00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:24,400 Speaker 1: She didn't speak, but he felt her love. He felt wholeness, togetherness, 173 00:11:24,880 --> 00:11:31,040 Speaker 1: and serenity. Then others appeared, relatives, friends. But then the 174 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:34,319 Speaker 1: people he didn't get along with showed up. He saw 175 00:11:34,360 --> 00:11:37,080 Speaker 1: a bully from around the seventh grade, a kid named 176 00:11:37,160 --> 00:11:39,640 Speaker 1: Joey who used to push him around on the way 177 00:11:39,640 --> 00:11:43,280 Speaker 1: home from school. He saw old enemies. He saw people 178 00:11:43,559 --> 00:11:46,880 Speaker 1: who had scammed him in business. But here's the miracle. 179 00:11:47,320 --> 00:11:50,240 Speaker 1: In this phase, there was no anger, There was no 180 00:11:50,520 --> 00:11:53,920 Speaker 1: I told you so, there was only harmony. Wayne said, 181 00:11:54,160 --> 00:11:58,119 Speaker 1: we were in complete agreement. We were one, The arguments 182 00:11:58,160 --> 00:12:02,720 Speaker 1: were resolved. It makes you realize that all the walls 183 00:12:02,720 --> 00:12:06,080 Speaker 1: we build, all the grudges we hold, they're just heavy 184 00:12:06,120 --> 00:12:09,320 Speaker 1: coats we wear in the winter. When we cross over 185 00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:12,000 Speaker 1: into the summer land, we take them off and we 186 00:12:12,040 --> 00:12:15,320 Speaker 1: realize we were never really enemies at all. We were 187 00:12:15,360 --> 00:12:18,720 Speaker 1: just actors in a play. So Wayne was in bliss. 188 00:12:19,040 --> 00:12:22,040 Speaker 1: He had peace, he had resolution, and he had his 189 00:12:22,080 --> 00:12:25,000 Speaker 1: wife and friends. But he was about to discover that 190 00:12:25,080 --> 00:12:28,400 Speaker 1: the afterlife isn't just about sitting around and feeling good. 191 00:12:29,040 --> 00:12:33,760 Speaker 1: Suddenly the scene shifted again. The presentation phase was over, 192 00:12:34,320 --> 00:12:37,800 Speaker 1: and Wayne realized that even in heaven, there is work 193 00:12:37,840 --> 00:12:40,360 Speaker 1: to be done. When we come back, we're going to 194 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:44,200 Speaker 1: follow Wayne into phase three, where he discovers the grand 195 00:12:44,400 --> 00:12:47,600 Speaker 1: architecture of reality, and then we'll meet a woman named 196 00:12:47,640 --> 00:12:52,080 Speaker 1: don whose husband crossed over and sent back specific physical 197 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:56,880 Speaker 1: proof that shattered the invisible wall between life and death. 198 00:12:57,320 --> 00:13:01,520 Speaker 1: We'll be right back. You're listening to the Afterlife on 199 00:13:01,600 --> 00:13:19,079 Speaker 1: the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast am Paranormal Podcast Network. 200 00:13:27,600 --> 00:13:30,880 Speaker 1: Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain. 201 00:13:31,280 --> 00:13:34,720 Speaker 1: Before the break, we'd left Wayne Cicero in the midst 202 00:13:34,760 --> 00:13:37,839 Speaker 1: of his near death experience. He had passed through the 203 00:13:37,840 --> 00:13:41,720 Speaker 1: white cloud of peace. He had gone through the presentation 204 00:13:42,120 --> 00:13:45,079 Speaker 1: where he was reunited with his wife and his friends. 205 00:13:45,520 --> 00:13:48,040 Speaker 1: He was in a state of pure harmony. But then 206 00:13:48,200 --> 00:13:52,360 Speaker 1: his project manager brain kicked in. He realized he wasn't 207 00:13:52,360 --> 00:13:57,000 Speaker 1: there just to look around. He entered phase three. Wayne 208 00:13:57,120 --> 00:14:00,840 Speaker 1: calls this the utility phase. He said that it felt 209 00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:03,480 Speaker 1: like working, but not hard work of a nine to 210 00:14:03,520 --> 00:14:07,560 Speaker 1: five job. He felt useful and happy. He felt like 211 00:14:07,640 --> 00:14:11,480 Speaker 1: he was being utilized to his full potential. He compared 212 00:14:11,480 --> 00:14:14,160 Speaker 1: it to the feeling of being in the zone at 213 00:14:14,200 --> 00:14:17,560 Speaker 1: work when you are solving a complex problem and everything 214 00:14:17,640 --> 00:14:21,880 Speaker 1: is firing on all cylinders. He felt purposeful, and that 215 00:14:21,960 --> 00:14:26,440 Speaker 1: led Wayne into the final stage, Phase four, the planning phase. 216 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:30,360 Speaker 1: Wayne describes feeling like he was sitting at a computer 217 00:14:30,720 --> 00:14:34,880 Speaker 1: with a massive spreadsheet planning a project. He said, I 218 00:14:34,960 --> 00:14:38,920 Speaker 1: was planning activities. I was assigning tasks. Who is going 219 00:14:38,960 --> 00:14:41,320 Speaker 1: to do what and how long will it take? What 220 00:14:41,480 --> 00:14:45,280 Speaker 1: tools are needed. But he wasn't planning a software update. 221 00:14:45,720 --> 00:14:49,840 Speaker 1: He realized he was planning life on earth. He was 222 00:14:49,920 --> 00:14:54,560 Speaker 1: involved in the architecture of reality. He felt the satisfaction 223 00:14:54,720 --> 00:14:58,400 Speaker 1: of organizing events and outcomes for the world he had 224 00:14:58,480 --> 00:15:02,160 Speaker 1: left behind. I love this detail because it validates what 225 00:15:02,320 --> 00:15:05,200 Speaker 1: so many of us suspect that we have to do 226 00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:09,360 Speaker 1: a job over there. We are active, We are co creators. 227 00:15:09,720 --> 00:15:13,560 Speaker 1: We helped design the synchronicities that happen to our loved 228 00:15:13,560 --> 00:15:18,080 Speaker 1: ones back here. Isn't that exciting? We aren't just watching 229 00:15:18,120 --> 00:15:21,800 Speaker 1: the movie, We are helping write the script. So there 230 00:15:21,880 --> 00:15:24,760 Speaker 1: was Wayne. He was happy, He was peaceful, He was 231 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:28,680 Speaker 1: working on the ultimate spreadsheet in the heavens. He was 232 00:15:28,760 --> 00:15:33,400 Speaker 1: completely content. And then whoosh. He described it like a 233 00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:37,320 Speaker 1: vacuum cleaner sucking up a pile of dust. He was 234 00:15:37,440 --> 00:15:41,640 Speaker 1: yanked out of this beautiful planning phase. And suddenly, right 235 00:15:41,680 --> 00:15:45,600 Speaker 1: there in his face was his uncle Ralphie. Now Uncle 236 00:15:45,680 --> 00:15:48,960 Speaker 1: Ralphie had been dead for ten years, and Uncle Ralphie 237 00:15:49,000 --> 00:15:53,000 Speaker 1: wasn't smiling. He didn't say welcome to Heaven. Wayne. Instead, 238 00:15:53,120 --> 00:15:55,600 Speaker 1: Uncle Ralphie looked him right in the eye with a 239 00:15:55,640 --> 00:16:00,200 Speaker 1: stern face and shouted don't be an idiot, Wayne, tell 240 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:05,240 Speaker 1: your story, and boom. Wayne woke up. He was back 241 00:16:05,280 --> 00:16:09,000 Speaker 1: in his body. He was in the ICU, he was intubated, 242 00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:13,160 Speaker 1: his chest hurt from the defibrillator. His daughter was standing 243 00:16:13,200 --> 00:16:16,560 Speaker 1: there crying. And the first words out of his mouth, 244 00:16:17,200 --> 00:16:20,520 Speaker 1: or the first words he tried to say through the confusion, 245 00:16:20,560 --> 00:16:25,200 Speaker 1: were what happened? What happened? He was devastated to be back, 246 00:16:25,680 --> 00:16:29,800 Speaker 1: he said. The happiness he felt there was hundreds of 247 00:16:29,840 --> 00:16:34,280 Speaker 1: times off the chart. He missed the peace, he missed 248 00:16:34,320 --> 00:16:39,680 Speaker 1: the harmony. But he remembered Uncle Ralphie's order, tell your story, 249 00:16:40,320 --> 00:16:43,440 Speaker 1: and Wayne did exactly that. He wrote a book. He 250 00:16:43,560 --> 00:16:48,760 Speaker 1: changed his life. He realized that his return wasn't a punishment, 251 00:16:49,400 --> 00:16:54,120 Speaker 1: it was an assignment. Skeptics might say, oh, yeah, Wayne 252 00:16:54,320 --> 00:16:59,400 Speaker 1: just hallucinated all of that, but hallucinations are chaotic. Wayne's 253 00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:05,600 Speaker 1: experience was structured, progressive, and it gave him a specific directive. 254 00:17:06,080 --> 00:17:09,920 Speaker 1: Hallucinations don't typically give you the marching orders from your 255 00:17:09,960 --> 00:17:13,240 Speaker 1: dead uncle to write a book that would help the world. 256 00:17:13,880 --> 00:17:18,080 Speaker 1: But if Wayne's structured experience isn't enough to convince the skeptics, 257 00:17:18,520 --> 00:17:22,440 Speaker 1: what happens when the information comes from someone who sent 258 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:26,119 Speaker 1: a message back that was physically impossible for them to 259 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:30,240 Speaker 1: know what happens when the silver cord theory can't explain 260 00:17:30,640 --> 00:17:34,800 Speaker 1: how a dead man knew exactly where his body fell. 261 00:17:35,440 --> 00:17:38,240 Speaker 1: I want to introduce you to our next witness, Don 262 00:17:38,359 --> 00:17:43,960 Speaker 1: Bauman Brunki. Don is an animal communicator. She is used 263 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:48,439 Speaker 1: to tuning into different frequencies, but she never expected to 264 00:17:48,520 --> 00:17:52,640 Speaker 1: have to tune into her husband, Bob. Bob passed away 265 00:17:52,720 --> 00:17:57,560 Speaker 1: suddenly on September eleventh, twenty twenty four. It was unexpected 266 00:17:57,840 --> 00:18:02,000 Speaker 1: and Don was devastated. Three days after he died, she 267 00:18:02,240 --> 00:18:04,800 Speaker 1: was walking near a lake, coming out of a dark 268 00:18:04,880 --> 00:18:09,600 Speaker 1: forest into the sunlight, and she heard him, loud and 269 00:18:09,840 --> 00:18:14,040 Speaker 1: clear as a bell. He said, I am in your heart. 270 00:18:14,720 --> 00:18:18,240 Speaker 1: Bob wasn't done. He began to communicate with her regularly, 271 00:18:18,560 --> 00:18:22,280 Speaker 1: and he started explaining what happened to him in those 272 00:18:22,320 --> 00:18:27,159 Speaker 1: final moments. Bob had died at work. No one was 273 00:18:27,200 --> 00:18:31,639 Speaker 1: with him. Don wasn't there. Bob told her it felt 274 00:18:31,680 --> 00:18:35,639 Speaker 1: like a solar flare to the heart. I went down instantly. 275 00:18:36,480 --> 00:18:40,240 Speaker 1: But then he told her a very strange detail. He said, 276 00:18:40,920 --> 00:18:45,919 Speaker 1: I hit the invisible wall. He kept repeating it, I 277 00:18:46,160 --> 00:18:50,360 Speaker 1: hit the invisible wall. He even made a gesture showing 278 00:18:50,359 --> 00:18:53,960 Speaker 1: his hands hitting something flat right in front of him. 279 00:18:54,680 --> 00:18:57,359 Speaker 1: Don didn't know what that meant. A few months later, 280 00:18:57,400 --> 00:19:00,560 Speaker 1: she was talking to Bob's supervisor at work, trying to 281 00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:04,919 Speaker 1: piece together his final moments. She mentioned, you know, Bob 282 00:19:05,040 --> 00:19:10,840 Speaker 1: keeps saying he hit an invisible wall. The supervisor went silent. Really, 283 00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:15,359 Speaker 1: he told Don where we found him was just past 284 00:19:15,480 --> 00:19:20,280 Speaker 1: a glass doorway. The glass door was open, but Bob 285 00:19:20,359 --> 00:19:24,280 Speaker 1: collapsed right next to it. Bob in spirit was describing 286 00:19:24,320 --> 00:19:29,040 Speaker 1: the physical sensation of his soul or his body interacting 287 00:19:29,119 --> 00:19:32,879 Speaker 1: with that glass space, the invisible wall, at the moment 288 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:37,800 Speaker 1: of his transition. So that's vertical evidence. Dawn didn't know 289 00:19:37,840 --> 00:19:42,080 Speaker 1: about the glass door. Bob sent that information back after 290 00:19:42,160 --> 00:19:45,760 Speaker 1: his silver cord was severed. Now let's pause and look 291 00:19:45,800 --> 00:19:48,760 Speaker 1: at that in the context of our small debate today. 292 00:19:49,400 --> 00:19:53,199 Speaker 1: Roberta argues that if the cord breaks, the connection is cut. 293 00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:56,719 Speaker 1: She believes that once the teather is gone, the line 294 00:19:56,800 --> 00:20:00,000 Speaker 1: is dead. But here is Bob, days after his physical day, 295 00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:05,359 Speaker 1: transmitting a specific physical fact about the exact position of 296 00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:08,760 Speaker 1: his body when he fell. He said, I hit the 297 00:20:08,800 --> 00:20:13,040 Speaker 1: invisible wall. And months later a witness confirmed he fell 298 00:20:13,520 --> 00:20:16,560 Speaker 1: right next to an open glass door. If the line 299 00:20:16,560 --> 00:20:20,240 Speaker 1: was dead, how did the message get through. This suggests 300 00:20:20,440 --> 00:20:23,840 Speaker 1: that the silver cord might be necessary for the body 301 00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:26,840 Speaker 1: to live, but it is certainly not necessary for the 302 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:31,639 Speaker 1: soul to communicate. The soul of love is wireless and 303 00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:34,760 Speaker 1: it doesn't need a chord. And Bob didn't stop there. 304 00:20:35,119 --> 00:20:37,600 Speaker 1: He wasn't just looking back at his death. He was 305 00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:40,840 Speaker 1: moving forward into his new life. And this is where 306 00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:44,560 Speaker 1: Don's story becomes so comforting for those of us who 307 00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:47,200 Speaker 1: loved to learn, and for those of us who worry 308 00:20:47,240 --> 00:20:50,639 Speaker 1: that heaven might just be floating in the clouds. Bob 309 00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:55,840 Speaker 1: told Don that he was visiting what he called immersion libraries. Now, 310 00:20:55,880 --> 00:20:59,000 Speaker 1: you have to understand in life, Bob was not a 311 00:20:59,040 --> 00:21:02,800 Speaker 1: big reader. Don is an author. Bob was the outdoorsman. 312 00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:05,400 Speaker 1: He was a guy who liked to do things, not 313 00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:09,040 Speaker 1: read about them. So when he started talking about libraries, 314 00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:13,760 Speaker 1: Don was surprised, but Bob explained, you don't read the 315 00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:18,480 Speaker 1: books here, you fall into them. He described opening a 316 00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:24,520 Speaker 1: book and suddenly experiencing the author's feelings, tasting what they tasted, 317 00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:29,679 Speaker 1: seeing what they saw. It was an intellectual knowledge. It 318 00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:33,760 Speaker 1: was experiential knowledge. He told her. There were maps of 319 00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:38,040 Speaker 1: the different realms of the afterlife. There were how to books, 320 00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:42,320 Speaker 1: manuals on how to reincarnate or how to shape shift. 321 00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:45,960 Speaker 1: Can you imagine that library where you just don't learn history, 322 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:49,480 Speaker 1: you live it. And Bob wasn't just sightseeing. He was 323 00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:52,679 Speaker 1: working on himself. He told Don about his work with 324 00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:57,000 Speaker 1: his inner selves. He described meeting his five year old self. 325 00:21:57,600 --> 00:22:00,880 Speaker 1: He described meeting his eleven year old self, the boy 326 00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:05,119 Speaker 1: who had been traumatized when his mother died. In the afterlife, 327 00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:08,040 Speaker 1: Bob was able to go back to that younger version 328 00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:11,680 Speaker 1: of himself to hold him, to heal that old trauma, 329 00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:16,119 Speaker 1: and to integrate those fragmented parts of his soul. So 330 00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:19,119 Speaker 1: when Bob made it into the afterlife, he wasn't in 331 00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:22,760 Speaker 1: a waiting room or a foyer. He wasn't sleeping. He 332 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:26,560 Speaker 1: was growing, he was learning, he was evolving. He was 333 00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:30,040 Speaker 1: more alive, more active, and more Bob than he had 334 00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:33,400 Speaker 1: ever been. So we've heard from Wayne, who showed us 335 00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:36,920 Speaker 1: the structure of the afterlife, of the phases, the planning 336 00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:40,080 Speaker 1: and the work we helped do on Earth. We've heard 337 00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:44,160 Speaker 1: from Dawn and Bob showing us the connection that even 338 00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:48,440 Speaker 1: sudden death and invisible walls cannot stop the signal of 339 00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:51,960 Speaker 1: love from getting through. But if I was Roberta listening 340 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:55,399 Speaker 1: to this episode, I might think, Okay, Sandra Wayne's story 341 00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:59,200 Speaker 1: is beautiful, but it was subjective. Maybe his project manager 342 00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:03,920 Speaker 1: brain just created a project manager heaven. And Bob's story, well, 343 00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:08,320 Speaker 1: that came through a mediumistic connection with his wife. Is 344 00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:11,760 Speaker 1: there anything more that you can share that stands up? 345 00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:15,280 Speaker 1: Is there a case where the silver cord theory simply 346 00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:18,879 Speaker 1: collapses under the weight of impossible facts? Is there a 347 00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:23,919 Speaker 1: case where a patient was clinically dead, monitored by machines 348 00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:29,679 Speaker 1: with zero brain activity, and still brought back information that 349 00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:34,280 Speaker 1: he physically, biologically, and logically could. 350 00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:34,800 Speaker 3: Not have known. 351 00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:38,600 Speaker 1: The answer is yes. I save this story for our 352 00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:41,639 Speaker 1: next segment because I believe it is a story that 353 00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:45,080 Speaker 1: turns faith into fact. It's the story of a man 354 00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:49,200 Speaker 1: named Rob Genteel. Rob didn't just float above his body. 355 00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:53,480 Speaker 1: He went into the darkness of a massive heart attack, 356 00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:57,080 Speaker 1: a widow maker they call it, that left him dead 357 00:23:57,240 --> 00:24:02,359 Speaker 1: for over twenty minutes, and he brought back three specific things. 358 00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:06,359 Speaker 1: A name he shouldn't have known, a secret about his 359 00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:10,320 Speaker 1: doctor's father, that she had never told a soul, and 360 00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:14,679 Speaker 1: a conversation with a daughter who in this life cannot 361 00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:18,440 Speaker 1: speak a single word. If you have ever doubted that 362 00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:21,760 Speaker 1: your loved ones are real, if you have ever worried 363 00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:25,800 Speaker 1: that blankness is waiting for you, you need to hear what 364 00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:28,879 Speaker 1: Rob saw. When we come back for our next segment, 365 00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:31,719 Speaker 1: I'm going to let Rob tell you himself. We have 366 00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:34,920 Speaker 1: the audio of his incredible testimony, and I want you 367 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:37,760 Speaker 1: to hear the conviction in his voice. We're going to 368 00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:41,240 Speaker 1: hear how a man who was clinically dead brought back 369 00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:45,439 Speaker 1: the code words that healed a family and proved that 370 00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:49,000 Speaker 1: the soul has eyes that do not need a body 371 00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:53,320 Speaker 1: to see. So don't go anywhere. More evidence yet to come. 372 00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:57,639 Speaker 1: You're listening to Shades of the Afterlife on the iHeartRadio 373 00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:23,040 Speaker 1: and Coast to Coast AM Normal Podcast Network. Welcome back 374 00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:26,199 Speaker 1: to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain. We've been 375 00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:29,840 Speaker 1: exploring a friendly debate today. My dear friend ROBERTA. Grime 376 00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:34,960 Speaker 1: suggests that because ND survivors come back, their silver cord 377 00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:38,639 Speaker 1: never broke, so they didn't really die. She worries that 378 00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:42,560 Speaker 1: these experiences might just be visits to a lobby or 379 00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:45,760 Speaker 1: a foyer. But my question is this, if they didn't die, 380 00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:49,240 Speaker 1: how did they learn the secrets of the dead. If 381 00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:52,879 Speaker 1: the lobby or foyer is just a waiting room, how 382 00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:57,520 Speaker 1: does it contain information that it is impossible to physically know. 383 00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:01,800 Speaker 1: I want to introduce you to Rob Genteel. Rob's story 384 00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:05,560 Speaker 1: has got a high credible level of evidence. Rob didn't 385 00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:07,959 Speaker 1: just have a vision of light. He went into the 386 00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:12,280 Speaker 1: hospital for a routine surgery, but complications led to a 387 00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:17,240 Speaker 1: massive heart attack. He flatlined for over twenty minutes. During 388 00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:21,000 Speaker 1: that time, Rob traveled and he brought back three specific 389 00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:25,880 Speaker 1: pieces of evidence that simply cannot be explained as a hallucination. 390 00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:29,240 Speaker 1: The first piece of evidence happened right at the moment 391 00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:32,679 Speaker 1: of death. Rob was lying on the gurney. He was 392 00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:36,480 Speaker 1: about to flatline, and suddenly he sat up something that 393 00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:41,000 Speaker 1: should have been physically impossible in his condition, and he 394 00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:44,800 Speaker 1: screamed a single name. He didn't know why, but that 395 00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:49,080 Speaker 1: name was a code key for his wife. Listen to 396 00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:54,000 Speaker 1: Rob explain what happened when he met his brother in law, Frosty. 397 00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:58,240 Speaker 3: With great force, I sprung forward on the gurney from 398 00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:01,719 Speaker 3: my waist up in. My eye popped wide open and 399 00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:04,960 Speaker 3: I screamed out the name Frosty. I had collapsed backward 400 00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:08,639 Speaker 3: on the gurney and flatlined. Code blue rang out on 401 00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:12,760 Speaker 3: the hospital floor, and in rushed a doctor with her team, 402 00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:16,840 Speaker 3: and my wife turns to this doctor Patel and says, 403 00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:19,040 Speaker 3: you have to save his life. We have a special 404 00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:21,719 Speaker 3: needs child. She's not going to make it without him, 405 00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:24,479 Speaker 3: and I cannot do this alone. So they take my 406 00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:27,040 Speaker 3: wife out of the room and they began working on me. 407 00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:31,439 Speaker 3: They tried DFIB shocks. I was in cardiogenic shock and 408 00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:36,159 Speaker 3: respiratory failure. Another doctor rushed into the room and intubated me, 409 00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:39,040 Speaker 3: shoved the tubes down my throat. I was on the 410 00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:41,560 Speaker 3: vent where I would lay in a four day coma. 411 00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:45,439 Speaker 3: Originally from Pennsylvania, I was raised a Catholic, and my 412 00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:48,480 Speaker 3: oldest brother drove down from Pennsylvania and he called the 413 00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:51,480 Speaker 3: local parish priest. The parish priest comes in, gives me 414 00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:54,959 Speaker 3: my last rites, and during that four day period, several 415 00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:57,359 Speaker 3: neurologists came in to test me to see if I 416 00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:00,719 Speaker 3: were brain dead. Finally, on the fourth day, the doctor 417 00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:03,120 Speaker 3: told my wife, We've got to take out the tubes. 418 00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:06,160 Speaker 3: He's probably a vegetable, but if he breathes on his own, 419 00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:08,800 Speaker 3: we'll see what we have. They took out the tubes, 420 00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:13,080 Speaker 3: and obviously I started choking and they take me into recovery. 421 00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:16,520 Speaker 3: My arms were paralyzed for the first several days. And 422 00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:19,040 Speaker 3: it was my wife that came into the room first, 423 00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:21,359 Speaker 3: and she said I was talking like a little child, 424 00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:23,680 Speaker 3: and I kept on saying, Melanie, you have to believe me, 425 00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:26,360 Speaker 3: you have to believe me. It was Frosty. Frosty came 426 00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:28,840 Speaker 3: to me and she said, oh, my god, Rob, that 427 00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:30,960 Speaker 3: makes so much sense. And I said, what are you 428 00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:34,639 Speaker 3: talking about? And she said, right before you flatlined, you 429 00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:37,320 Speaker 3: sprang forward on the gurney, your eyes popped open, and 430 00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:40,760 Speaker 3: you screamed out Frosty's name and then collapsed. To give 431 00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:44,280 Speaker 3: you some background, Frosty was my brother in law. He 432 00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:46,760 Speaker 3: was the same age as me, fifty six years old 433 00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:51,120 Speaker 3: when I died that night. Unfortunately, seven weeks prior to 434 00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:55,720 Speaker 3: that night, Frosty had taken his own life. Frosty was 435 00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:58,680 Speaker 3: going through a really bad divorce at the time. He 436 00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:01,040 Speaker 3: had struggled with drugs in the past. He had been 437 00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:03,640 Speaker 3: cleaned for several years, but It was around Christmas and 438 00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:06,440 Speaker 3: he was living in the upstairs bedroom of his parents' house, 439 00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:08,920 Speaker 3: so he had his own business. He was a land surveyor, 440 00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:12,760 Speaker 3: one child, his only daughter in college, paying college bills. 441 00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:15,680 Speaker 3: All the pressure was building up on Frosty and he 442 00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:18,160 Speaker 3: decided to go out one night and try to blow 443 00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:20,600 Speaker 3: off some steam and got a hold of a street 444 00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:23,680 Speaker 3: drug that drove him mad for like forty minutes. About 445 00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:26,320 Speaker 3: five point thirty in the morning, his mother had called 446 00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:28,400 Speaker 3: me and said, could you please come down to the 447 00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:30,959 Speaker 3: house and go up into the bedroom to see if 448 00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:33,400 Speaker 3: you can find some kind of a journal or a 449 00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:36,080 Speaker 3: note or something to tell us why Frosty had done this. 450 00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:39,520 Speaker 3: So I went up into that room seven times and 451 00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:43,000 Speaker 3: picked through a rather gruesome scene. Finally found a journal, 452 00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:44,880 Speaker 3: and I had given it to the family. I know 453 00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:47,440 Speaker 3: the rules have changed now, but at the time, if 454 00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:51,120 Speaker 3: you took your own life, it was considered a mortal sin, 455 00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:54,520 Speaker 3: which means you went straight down. But when my wife 456 00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:58,280 Speaker 3: came to me, she said, tell me exactly what Frosty 457 00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:01,080 Speaker 3: said to you. And Frosty said to me, I've made 458 00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:03,280 Speaker 3: a big mess of things, and you have to go 459 00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:05,960 Speaker 3: back and help clean things up. But Tell my parents, 460 00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:07,200 Speaker 3: I'm in a good place. 461 00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:11,160 Speaker 1: Tell my parents, I'm in a good place. Frosty was 462 00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:14,080 Speaker 1: his brother in law who had taken his own life 463 00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:18,920 Speaker 1: just seven weeks earlier. Rob brought back a message that 464 00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:22,760 Speaker 1: he healed of family's decades of pain. But Rob's journey 465 00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:26,680 Speaker 1: wasn't over. While he was in recovery, hovering between life 466 00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:30,680 Speaker 1: and death, paralyzed and unable to speak, he was visited 467 00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:34,000 Speaker 1: by a spirit. It turned out to be the deceased 468 00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:39,040 Speaker 1: father of his doctor, doctor Patel. This spirit gave Rob 469 00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:43,760 Speaker 1: information about doctor Patel that no stranger could possibly know, 470 00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:49,000 Speaker 1: details about her father, her religion, and her private grief. 471 00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:52,280 Speaker 3: And the second most extraordinary thing that happened to me 472 00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:56,000 Speaker 3: was on the second day, this beautiful Indian woman with 473 00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:59,160 Speaker 3: glistening brown eyes came to me and she pulled the 474 00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:01,920 Speaker 3: chair up beside me my bed. I'm still in recovery, 475 00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:04,840 Speaker 3: and she knew that my arms were paralyzed. She reached down. 476 00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:07,440 Speaker 3: I don't know who she was, obviously I was unconscious, 477 00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:09,480 Speaker 3: and she reached down and she put her hands on 478 00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:12,000 Speaker 3: mine and she began to tell me that I am 479 00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:15,120 Speaker 3: doctor Patel. I was the doctor on call that night 480 00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:17,920 Speaker 3: that kept working on you, and she began to cry, 481 00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:19,880 Speaker 3: and she said, I can't tell you how many times 482 00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:22,680 Speaker 3: almost lost you. And then at that very person, which 483 00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:25,479 Speaker 3: I found peculiar, she began to talk about her father 484 00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:27,840 Speaker 3: and she began to tell me that, you know, my 485 00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:30,040 Speaker 3: father and I were so close. He helped me through 486 00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:33,240 Speaker 3: medical school. We can almost read each other's thoughts. And 487 00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:37,400 Speaker 3: she said, I'm Hindu, a very spiritual person. All my 488 00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:42,360 Speaker 3: father lived for was to see my firstborn child, and 489 00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:45,360 Speaker 3: six months before my son was born, my father passed 490 00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:47,960 Speaker 3: away suddenly from an aneurysm. And she said, you know, 491 00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:51,000 Speaker 3: since then, I've been very bitter. I've kind of lost 492 00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:55,240 Speaker 3: my faith, my spirituality. But seeing you here alive gives 493 00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:59,000 Speaker 3: me hope that maybe, just maybe there's something else out there. 494 00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:03,120 Speaker 3: And in that it was almost like this puzzle unscrambled, 495 00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:05,640 Speaker 3: and it hit me. While she was working on me, 496 00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:09,720 Speaker 3: another male spirit had entered the room and kept on saying, 497 00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:13,680 Speaker 3: over and over again, keep working on him, you can 498 00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:16,920 Speaker 3: save him, don't give up. And it hit me doctor 499 00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:22,360 Speaker 3: Patel's father speaking through me, because something compelled her to 500 00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:24,960 Speaker 3: work on me for more than twenty minutes. I mean, 501 00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:26,920 Speaker 3: she should have called it in the first five minutes. 502 00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:29,960 Speaker 3: Then it was a year later that I brought her 503 00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:33,720 Speaker 3: a dozen roses. And now every year on her father's birthday, 504 00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:36,400 Speaker 3: we talk about her father and how he never really 505 00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:38,320 Speaker 3: left her and he's always by her side in the 506 00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:41,720 Speaker 3: operating room. So it was extraordinary. After that, it was 507 00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:44,400 Speaker 3: doctor Patel that told me my heart was destroyed and 508 00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:47,200 Speaker 3: the only way that I could survive was to get 509 00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:48,240 Speaker 3: a heart transplant. 510 00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:51,680 Speaker 1: Can you imagine being that doctor hearing a patient tell 511 00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:54,960 Speaker 1: you about your own father that he learned while he 512 00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:58,440 Speaker 1: was dead. But Rob didn't just stay in the hospital room. 513 00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:02,760 Speaker 1: He was pulled forther out into the deepest architecture of 514 00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:07,880 Speaker 1: the universe. He saw what he calls the web of lights, 515 00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:12,200 Speaker 1: and it was from this web, this connection of all souls, 516 00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:15,960 Speaker 1: that he had the most emotional reunion of his life. 517 00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:20,840 Speaker 1: Rob had a daughter named Maria. In this life, Maria 518 00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:25,200 Speaker 1: has special needs. She has ret syndrome. She cannot walk, 519 00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:29,680 Speaker 1: she cannot feed herself, and she cannot speak. But listen 520 00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:33,040 Speaker 1: to what happens when a father leaves his body and 521 00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:35,760 Speaker 1: meets his daughter's soul in the light. 522 00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:39,920 Speaker 3: And it was then that one of the most extraordinary 523 00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:45,440 Speaker 3: things happened I saw and became part of this gigantic 524 00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:49,160 Speaker 3: web made of twiggling lights. The best way to describe 525 00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:52,440 Speaker 3: this web is that in science class, we all remember 526 00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:55,560 Speaker 3: what a neuron looks like. So a neuron has a nucleus, 527 00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:58,800 Speaker 3: and it has tentacles and dendrites, and they connect with 528 00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:01,520 Speaker 3: one another, just like in your brain or a solar 529 00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:05,520 Speaker 3: system or a plant. Inside each one of these little 530 00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:09,719 Speaker 3: nucleuses was a spark or a quark of light. And 531 00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:14,799 Speaker 3: it was this magnificent web made of trillions and trillions 532 00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:19,160 Speaker 3: and trillions of these twinkling, sparkling quarks of light. This 533 00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:23,200 Speaker 3: beautiful tapestry was woven together and it was stretched into 534 00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:26,240 Speaker 3: infinity and just hanging on the ceiling of the universe. 535 00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:29,719 Speaker 3: It was shown to me that these quarks or sparks 536 00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:34,160 Speaker 3: of light are made of a variety of different quarks 537 00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:39,480 Speaker 3: that combine to create infinite possibilities in the universe. And 538 00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:43,640 Speaker 3: they're made of light. These quarks combined to create a planet, 539 00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:47,160 Speaker 3: a person, a tree, or a dog. It doesn't matter. 540 00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:50,560 Speaker 3: All things are one. We're all made of the same 541 00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:55,080 Speaker 3: stuff and inanimate objects, we just manifest differently. And it 542 00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:59,240 Speaker 3: was shown to me that God uses light to create, 543 00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:03,520 Speaker 3: heel and transform us. While I was part of this web, 544 00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:07,239 Speaker 3: I realized that I was connected to everything, and being 545 00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:10,400 Speaker 3: connected to everything, I knew in that moment that loneliness 546 00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:13,280 Speaker 3: is just an illusion. I thought, while I was connected 547 00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:16,839 Speaker 3: to everything and I was just one spark of light 548 00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:20,560 Speaker 3: in this beautiful, divine web of consciousness, that if I 549 00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:23,920 Speaker 3: hurt myself, I hurt everything connected to me. But if 550 00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:27,000 Speaker 3: I love, the light was spread. You know, this gets 551 00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:30,360 Speaker 3: very personal. But I've mentioned my daughter Maria. She's twenty 552 00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:32,319 Speaker 3: eight now. When I had died that night, she was 553 00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:35,640 Speaker 3: twenty and I've never had a conversation with Maria, very 554 00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:39,680 Speaker 3: painful because she doesn't have language. It was there coming 555 00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:42,920 Speaker 3: out of that web, that Maria came out of the web, 556 00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:46,240 Speaker 3: and there she was standing in the middle of nowhere. 557 00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:49,960 Speaker 3: She was perfect in whole. She had this light emanating 558 00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:52,560 Speaker 3: through her eyes, not the kind of light that you 559 00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:55,759 Speaker 3: and I see in the natural world, but that's spiritual light. 560 00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:59,440 Speaker 3: That were all made of that spiritual light that animates 561 00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:03,160 Speaker 3: all life. I said to her, Maria, in this unspoken 562 00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:06,160 Speaker 3: language of the ethereal, I've never heard your voice. I 563 00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:08,480 Speaker 3: have never heard you say I love you. Dady your 564 00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:11,360 Speaker 3: mother and I. We've taken you everywhere to find a 565 00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:14,879 Speaker 3: cure to ease your suffering. Please just tell me, tell 566 00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:16,799 Speaker 3: me what it is that I could do for you. 567 00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:20,400 Speaker 3: And she said three words that transformed my life. She 568 00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:23,800 Speaker 3: said just love me. And when she said just love me, 569 00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:27,839 Speaker 3: I cried out into that infinite expanse that I never 570 00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:29,040 Speaker 3: want to leave this place. 571 00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:33,480 Speaker 1: Just love me. If a near death experience is is 572 00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:37,240 Speaker 1: just a foyer or a lobby, why does it contain 573 00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:41,840 Speaker 1: such profound healing? Why does it allow father to finally 574 00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:46,880 Speaker 1: hear his daughter's voice. Rob's story proves that our consciousness, 575 00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:51,440 Speaker 1: our ability to love, to know, to communicate, is not 576 00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:56,160 Speaker 1: trapped in our human biology. I have more stories for you, 577 00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:59,400 Speaker 1: pieces of evidence that I think will settle our debate 578 00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:03,320 Speaker 1: once in for all, because sometimes the best proof doesn't 579 00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:07,120 Speaker 1: come from a human. Sometimes it comes from a dog. 580 00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:10,319 Speaker 1: When we come back for our final segment, I'm going 581 00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:13,440 Speaker 1: to share with you the story of Omar Perez. He 582 00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:18,040 Speaker 1: crossed the veil, saw his daughter and was greeted by 583 00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:21,320 Speaker 1: the family dog. He thought it was just a sweet 584 00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:26,640 Speaker 1: reunion until he woke up and realized the impossible truth. 585 00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:30,440 Speaker 1: We'll be right back you're listening to Shades of the 586 00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:35,480 Speaker 1: Afterlife on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal 587 00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:59,680 Speaker 1: Podcast Network. Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm 588 00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:03,600 Speaker 1: Sam Champlaine. We started this episode with a very specific, 589 00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:07,560 Speaker 1: very human fear. My dear friend Roberta shared the story 590 00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:11,719 Speaker 1: of her husband who woke up from surgery terrified he 591 00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:15,200 Speaker 1: had been under general anesthesia. He worried that because he 592 00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:18,480 Speaker 1: didn't see the light while he was under the light 593 00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:22,279 Speaker 1: must not exist. It's a valid fear. But before we 594 00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:25,440 Speaker 1: get to our final verdict on the silver Cord, I 595 00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:27,960 Speaker 1: want to share with you a story that directly answers 596 00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:32,719 Speaker 1: that fear. It proves that just because one person sees blankness, 597 00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:37,160 Speaker 1: it doesn't mean the light isn't there. Sometimes anesthesia doesn't 598 00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:41,120 Speaker 1: block the view, sometimes it acts as a doorway. Let 599 00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:44,400 Speaker 1: me tell you about Casein. Casin is just a teenager, 600 00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:48,080 Speaker 1: a typical kid who loves skateboarding. About a year after 601 00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:51,400 Speaker 1: his father passed away from a brutal battle with cancer, 602 00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:55,160 Speaker 1: Cason had a terrible accident. He broke his arm badly 603 00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:58,360 Speaker 1: while skating and had to be rushed into surgery. He 604 00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:03,520 Speaker 1: was put under general anesthea, still groggy, still heavily medicated. 605 00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:08,240 Speaker 1: His mother started filming, and what she captured went viral 606 00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:13,000 Speaker 1: on YouTube for a reason. In the video, Cason isn't 607 00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:16,080 Speaker 1: looking at his mom. He isn't looking at the nurse. 608 00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:20,759 Speaker 1: He is staring intently at the ceiling, his eyes glassy 609 00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:24,360 Speaker 1: and focused on something no one else can see. He 610 00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:28,520 Speaker 1: starts apologizing. He says, I'm sorry, I'm a bad kid. 611 00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:32,960 Speaker 1: I cause trouble. But then his face changes. He looks 612 00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:37,400 Speaker 1: up with pure awe smiles and said, Hi Jesus, you 613 00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:40,880 Speaker 1: are so beautiful. Oh my gosh. And then a visitor 614 00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:46,120 Speaker 1: arrives case and says, Dad, Hi Dad, I miss you. 615 00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:49,719 Speaker 1: You are so pretty. And he starts having a conversation 616 00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:53,520 Speaker 1: with his father, who has been dead for over a year. 617 00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:58,160 Speaker 1: He asks, Dad, do you see me skateboarding? But here's 618 00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:00,920 Speaker 1: the piece of evidence that changes every thing. At the 619 00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:04,640 Speaker 1: very beginning of the experience, even before he started talking 620 00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:07,839 Speaker 1: to his dad, Casin looked up at the light and 621 00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:12,600 Speaker 1: said something strange. He said, I can't see it's too bright. 622 00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:17,200 Speaker 1: When his mother heard those words, she froze because those 623 00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:21,520 Speaker 1: weren't just random words. I can't see it's too bright. 624 00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:27,319 Speaker 1: Those were the exact last words of her husband that 625 00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:32,720 Speaker 1: he spoke on his deathbed before he passed away. Cason's father, 626 00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:36,560 Speaker 1: in his final moments had looked up and been blinded 627 00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:39,880 Speaker 1: by the light of the afterlife, and now his son, 628 00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:43,719 Speaker 1: under anesthesia was seeing that same light and using those 629 00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:47,800 Speaker 1: exact same words. So this is vertical evidence. It proves 630 00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:52,360 Speaker 1: that the blankness of anesthesia is just a variable. For 631 00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:55,240 Speaker 1: some it's sleep, but for Cason it was a window. 632 00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:59,120 Speaker 1: So we know the view is there, But does the 633 00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:03,840 Speaker 1: silver core prevent us from seeing the truth? Roberta argues 634 00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:07,640 Speaker 1: that because we come back, we are just tourists. Well, 635 00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:10,840 Speaker 1: if we are just tourists, we bring back some pretty 636 00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:16,880 Speaker 1: incredible souvenirs. Meet Omar Perez. He wasn't a believer. He 637 00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:20,320 Speaker 1: was a man who had been broken by life. In 638 00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:24,240 Speaker 1: late twenty twenty, Omar's life was perfect until it wasn't. 639 00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:28,080 Speaker 1: His fraternal twin daughters were the light of his life, 640 00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:32,520 Speaker 1: but one of them, little Chloe, suddenly became ill. It 641 00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:35,360 Speaker 1: seemed like jesse a virus, but it spiraled out of 642 00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:39,040 Speaker 1: control within a span of just six hours. At the hospital, 643 00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:43,359 Speaker 1: Chloe went into cardiac arrest. Omar held his three year 644 00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:47,320 Speaker 1: old daughter as she took her last breath. When Chloe died, 645 00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:52,120 Speaker 1: Omar's faith died with her. He said, I lost all 646 00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:56,640 Speaker 1: my faith in God. It just completely destroyed me. Omar 647 00:41:56,800 --> 00:42:00,799 Speaker 1: was angry, he was empty. Years past, the family moved 648 00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:03,799 Speaker 1: to South Carolina because they couldn't bear to live in 649 00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:07,360 Speaker 1: the house where Chloe had lived. They tried to move on, 650 00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:11,399 Speaker 1: but in December of twenty twenty four, the darkness came 651 00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:15,600 Speaker 1: for Omar. He caught what he thought was pneumonia, but 652 00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:20,600 Speaker 1: like his daughter, his condition spiraled. He developed sepsis. His 653 00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:24,759 Speaker 1: lungs collapsed one after the other. He was rushed to 654 00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:29,560 Speaker 1: the hospital, intubated and put on life support. The doctors 655 00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:33,839 Speaker 1: gave him a ten percent chance of survival. Omar fell 656 00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:38,400 Speaker 1: into a deep, dark coma. His wife was preparing for 657 00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:41,920 Speaker 1: a second funeral, but Omar wasn't. In the hospital. He 658 00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:46,799 Speaker 1: had left. He found himself standing on a beautiful, winding pathway. 659 00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:50,319 Speaker 1: It wasn't the blinding white light that Cason saw. It 660 00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:54,160 Speaker 1: was a soft, bluish gray fog. He said, it was calm, 661 00:42:54,520 --> 00:42:57,960 Speaker 1: It was peaceful. As he walked down this path, he 662 00:42:58,120 --> 00:43:01,360 Speaker 1: looked to his right and saw visions of his life 663 00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:06,040 Speaker 1: playing out like his wedding day, the birth of his children. 664 00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:11,080 Speaker 1: To the left, he saw people socializing, smiling and at peace. 665 00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:15,240 Speaker 1: But then he saw something that terrified him. He saw 666 00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:18,280 Speaker 1: a vision of his own living room back on earth. 667 00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:23,560 Speaker 1: He saw his wife crying on the couch, consoling their son, 668 00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:28,800 Speaker 1: and on the coffee table he saw two urns. One 669 00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:33,400 Speaker 1: was the butterfly shaped urn that held Chloe's ashes, the 670 00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:37,160 Speaker 1: other was a new urn. He realized that the second 671 00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:41,400 Speaker 1: urn was for him. He blinked and the scene vanished. 672 00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:45,000 Speaker 1: He was now sitting in a vast open space, and 673 00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:49,600 Speaker 1: out of the fog, walking toward him came a little girl. 674 00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:53,319 Speaker 1: It was his daughter, Chloe, but she wasn't the sick 675 00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:57,320 Speaker 1: toddler he had held in the hospital. She was older. 676 00:43:57,719 --> 00:44:00,959 Speaker 1: She looked about six years old now, Her curly hair 677 00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:04,480 Speaker 1: was long and healthy. She was wearing a favorite red 678 00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:08,239 Speaker 1: shirt with two gold hearts, and on her feet she 679 00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:11,920 Speaker 1: was wearing a pair of little gold sandals. Omar instantly 680 00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:15,400 Speaker 1: recognized them. They were the specific gold sandals he had 681 00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:19,120 Speaker 1: put on her feet for her funeral. Chloe ran up 682 00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:22,560 Speaker 1: to him. He held her. He smelled the scent of 683 00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:26,719 Speaker 1: her hair. It was real. They didn't speak with words, 684 00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:31,040 Speaker 1: They spoke mind to mind, and Chloe gave him the 685 00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:36,400 Speaker 1: validation he had needed for four years. She said, Daddy, 686 00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:39,719 Speaker 1: I did a good job. Now that might sound like 687 00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:43,319 Speaker 1: a simple sentence, but it was a code. Omar and 688 00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:46,680 Speaker 1: his wife had always joked that Chloe was an old 689 00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:51,520 Speaker 1: soul who had come here just to guide her twin sister, Sophia. 690 00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:54,680 Speaker 1: When she said I did a good job, she was 691 00:44:54,719 --> 00:44:57,840 Speaker 1: confirming that her mission was complete. It was the most 692 00:44:57,920 --> 00:45:01,759 Speaker 1: beautiful reunion a father could ask. But here is the 693 00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:06,239 Speaker 1: moment that ends the silver Cord debate. As Omar was 694 00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:09,920 Speaker 1: getting ready to leave, he saw a blur of motion. 695 00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:16,200 Speaker 1: It was a dog. Specifically, it was Layla, their family dog. 696 00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:20,560 Speaker 1: Layla had been Chloe's protector in life. They had a 697 00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:26,120 Speaker 1: special bond. Omar saw Layla running, happy and healthy. He 698 00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:29,959 Speaker 1: saw Chloe take the dog's leash. He watched the two 699 00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:34,080 Speaker 1: of them, his daughter and his dog, walk away into 700 00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:38,120 Speaker 1: the bluish mist Omar thought, that's nice. Chloe has a 701 00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:42,080 Speaker 1: spirit dog that looks like Layla to keep her company. 702 00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:47,520 Speaker 1: Because in Omar's mind, Layla was alive. So on Christmas Day, 703 00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:52,040 Speaker 1: Omar miraculously woke up. He couldn't speak because of the 704 00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:56,759 Speaker 1: ventilator tubes, so he gestured frantically for a pen. His 705 00:45:56,840 --> 00:46:02,280 Speaker 1: son handed him a whiteboard about Chloe. He wrote about 706 00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:05,960 Speaker 1: the gold Sandals, and he wrote, I saw a dog 707 00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:10,880 Speaker 1: like Layla. She is with Chloe. He expected his wife 708 00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:14,800 Speaker 1: to smile. Instead, she burst into tears. She sat on 709 00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:17,440 Speaker 1: the edge of his bed and told him the truth 710 00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:21,200 Speaker 1: while Omar was in the coma. While he was lying 711 00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:25,480 Speaker 1: in that hospital bed, completely unaware of the outside world, 712 00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:30,480 Speaker 1: Layla had suddenly become very ill. She had started having seizures. 713 00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:34,840 Speaker 1: The vet couldn't save her. His wife had been forced 714 00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:38,600 Speaker 1: to put the dog to sleep on Christmas Eve, just 715 00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:42,759 Speaker 1: hours before Omar woke up. Omar had no way of 716 00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:46,879 Speaker 1: knowing their dog had died. No phone calls were made 717 00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:50,680 Speaker 1: in his room. He was komatose. So he saw the 718 00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:55,400 Speaker 1: dog in the afterlife because Layla, the dog was in 719 00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:59,960 Speaker 1: the afterlife. So what's the verdict? We started this episode 720 00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:03,440 Speaker 1: the friendly debate roberta Grime's worries that if the silver 721 00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:07,560 Speaker 1: cord doesn't break, we aren't truly dead and therefore our 722 00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:12,759 Speaker 1: experience isn't real proof of a final destination but Omar's 723 00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:18,919 Speaker 1: story and Rob's and Don's and Casson's proves something undeniable. 724 00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:23,040 Speaker 1: Even if we are just visiting the lobby or the foyer, 725 00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:27,160 Speaker 1: it has a window, and that window looks directly into 726 00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:31,160 Speaker 1: the truth. Omar's silver cord didn't break. He came back, 727 00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:35,160 Speaker 1: but Layla's cord did break. She didn't come back, and 728 00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:38,440 Speaker 1: yet they were in the same place. This proves that 729 00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:43,120 Speaker 1: the near death world and the real death world are 730 00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:47,000 Speaker 1: not two different places. They are the same room, or 731 00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:51,080 Speaker 1: they're connected to the same building. The only difference is 732 00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:55,160 Speaker 1: whether you stay or whether you return. So Roberta's husband 733 00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:58,239 Speaker 1: and anyone listening who has ever closed their eyes for 734 00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:02,800 Speaker 1: surgery and seen on blankness, please don't be afraid. The 735 00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:06,400 Speaker 1: blankness is just a dreamless sleep for the body. It 736 00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:09,160 Speaker 1: isn't the end of the soul. The reality is what 737 00:48:09,239 --> 00:48:12,520 Speaker 1: Cason saw, a light so bright it matches the one 738 00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:16,120 Speaker 1: his father saw. The reality is what Rob saw, a 739 00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:19,920 Speaker 1: place where his nonverbal daughter could finally say I love you. 740 00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:23,840 Speaker 1: The reality is what Wayne saw, a place where we 741 00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:26,400 Speaker 1: have work to do and plans to make. And the 742 00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:29,840 Speaker 1: reality is what Omar saw, a place where our dogs 743 00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:33,080 Speaker 1: come running to greet us young and healthy again, guided 744 00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:36,239 Speaker 1: by the children we thought we had lost. I do 745 00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:39,920 Speaker 1: believe that some of our human consciousness can come with 746 00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:43,120 Speaker 1: us into these near death experiences. So there can be 747 00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:46,920 Speaker 1: the weird, the comforting, and some often from induced comas, 748 00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:50,600 Speaker 1: can be frightening. But whether the silver cord breaks or not, 749 00:48:51,239 --> 00:48:54,640 Speaker 1: the love is real and the life is eternal. I 750 00:48:54,719 --> 00:48:59,560 Speaker 1: invite you to check out ROBERTA. Grime's wonderful podcast, Seek Reality. 751 00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:03,600 Speaker 1: She's had me on as guest twenty times. We meet 752 00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:07,600 Speaker 1: for lunch every opportunity. She comes to my area, usually 753 00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:10,520 Speaker 1: two or three times a year. But friends, we need 754 00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:14,160 Speaker 1: to be skeptics, because every time we challenge the afterlife, 755 00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:17,120 Speaker 1: it may surprise us. If you have a story of 756 00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:21,680 Speaker 1: verritical evidence, something you saw or heard when you shouldn't have, 757 00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:26,080 Speaker 1: I want to hear it, even stories of deathbed visitations, 758 00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:29,759 Speaker 1: near death experiences signs from your loved ones. You can 759 00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:34,480 Speaker 1: always email me Sandra Champlain at gmail dot com. I 760 00:49:34,520 --> 00:49:37,080 Speaker 1: want to remind you my home base is We Don't 761 00:49:37,080 --> 00:49:39,799 Speaker 1: Die dot com. At the bottom of the page, you 762 00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:43,040 Speaker 1: can enter your name and email address, join my email list, 763 00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:45,880 Speaker 1: and you get a free copy of my book plus 764 00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:48,600 Speaker 1: other goodies. I invite you to come to our free 765 00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:53,400 Speaker 1: Sunday Gathering inspirational service on Zoom. There's a medium demonstration 766 00:49:53,600 --> 00:49:57,400 Speaker 1: included in each and everyone. I'll give you everything I've 767 00:49:57,440 --> 00:50:00,360 Speaker 1: got so that you know you are a divine and 768 00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:05,719 Speaker 1: very loved eternal soul having a human experience. I'm Sandra Champlain. 769 00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:09,840 Speaker 1: Thanks so much for listening to Shades of the Afterlife 770 00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:15,480 Speaker 1: on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. 771 00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:25,399 Speaker 2: Thanks for listening to the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast 772 00:50:25,480 --> 00:50:28,479 Speaker 2: A and Paranormal Podcast Network. Make sure and check out 773 00:50:28,520 --> 00:50:31,759 Speaker 2: all our shows on the iHeartRadio app or by going 774 00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:38,239 Speaker 2: to iHeartRadio dot com.