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Speaker 1: a pull question, got a couple of stats of the

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Speaker 1: day as well to bring to your attention. Jay Billis

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Speaker 1: from The Mother's Ship will join us. He was on

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Speaker 1: the call Illinois and Michigan last night. I tuned in,

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Speaker 1: but I quickly tuned out because Illinois dominated Michigan, and

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Speaker 1: Illinois without its best player beating Michigan handling. I did

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Speaker 1: watch West Virginian Baylor. That was a lot of fun

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Speaker 1: in overtime as Baylor picks up the win. We're reaching

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Speaker 1: the end of the regular season in college basketball, and

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Speaker 1: basically it feels like we don't know anything here now.

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Speaker 1: I know Gunzag is really good, I don't know. I

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Speaker 1: expect Michigan to be there at the end. Baylor has

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Speaker 1: been very good, beating a really good West Virginia team,

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Speaker 1: but it feels like it's going to be another topsy

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Speaker 1: turvy moment here for college basketball. The last time we

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Speaker 1: had a Final Four, which sounds strange to say, was

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Speaker 1: twenty nineteen Virginia, Texas Tech Auburn in Michigan State, and

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Speaker 1: the Spartans were the only team we probably expected to

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Speaker 1: be there, although Virginia was the best team in the

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Speaker 1: country for quite some time, and this year you probably

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Speaker 1: could see some wild cards. It feels like it's every

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Speaker 1: seven years, where you're going, hey, anybody, anything could happen.

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Speaker 1: I think when Butler made it to the championship game,

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Speaker 1: that's where you said, and they did it twice. Where

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Speaker 1: you go dare to dream. You have selection Sunday coming up,

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Speaker 1: no easy answers as you try to figure out the

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Speaker 1: direction of college basketball or certainly and more importantly, your brackets.

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Speaker 1: Last hour. At the end of the last hour, Paulie

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Speaker 1: brought up a draft analysis that was turned in by

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Speaker 1: Chris Sims a Pro Football Talk, and he had quarterback

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Speaker 1: rankings here and he's surprised a lot of people. He

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Speaker 1: has Zach Wilson is the best quarterback in this draft,

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Speaker 1: followed by Trevor Lawrence, mac Jones, Kellen mund from Texas

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Speaker 1: A and m Justin Fields and then Trey Lance. Now

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Speaker 1: he's been doing this the last three or four years

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Speaker 1: where he'll rank the quarterbacks. I go back to three

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Speaker 1: years ago today he put out his list and he

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Speaker 1: had Lamar Jackson the number one quarterback, Josh Allen number

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Speaker 1: two quarterback, Baker Mayfield the third best quarterback, then Sam Darnold,

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Speaker 1: and then Josh Rosen. He did pretty well with that

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Speaker 1: list there. Nobody had Lamar Jackson that high No. One,

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Speaker 1: Josh Allen was viewed as maybe a project, and then

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Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield, Heisman Trophy winner Cleveland Browns take him. Sam

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Speaker 1: Darnold was probably considered the second best quarterback in that

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Speaker 1: draft going into the draft. Yeah, M club more first

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Speaker 1: by a lot of people. Right, yeah, yeah, I think so.

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Speaker 1: But Chris Simms will join us on the program tomorrow

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Speaker 1: eight seven seven, three d P show. Email address DP

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Speaker 1: at dan Patrick dot com, Twitter handle at DP show.

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Speaker 1: I still love the fact that David Carr works for

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Speaker 1: the NFL Network and he was on the show and

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Speaker 1: he was asked about the Russell Wilson rumors the teams

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Speaker 1: that he could go to and he said, if I'm

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Speaker 1: one of these four teams, I call the Seahawks about

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Speaker 1: Russell Wilson, and I do it yesterday. David's brother is

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Speaker 1: Derek Carr, who plays for the Raiders, and that's one

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Speaker 1: of the four teams that could be interested in Russell

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Speaker 1: would love to hear that conversation when David and Derek

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Speaker 1: Not much? How about you? Not much? Why did you

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Speaker 1: say something stupid about if you're the Raiders you call

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Speaker 1: up the Sea Hawks? Oh yeah, my bad? Or what if?

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Speaker 1: He says, Look, I'm an analyst, and then your brother

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Speaker 1: and I have to be honest. That's what you want, right,

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Speaker 1: that's what you want. Uh, let's see what else do

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Speaker 1: we have here? So uh, Jay Billis will join us

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Speaker 1: coming up a little bit. By the way, do you

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Speaker 1: know Jay Billis was in an episode of The White Shadow. No.

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Speaker 1: I love that show. Yes, that is is that timeline match?

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Speaker 1: I thought, what are your did Jay Billis graduate high school?

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Speaker 1: Somebody all are you questioning my research? Not just shocked

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Speaker 1: by it? Well, apparently mclovin is too. Did he play

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Speaker 1: like the opposing rich kid? He was? He was on

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Speaker 1: the White Shadow. He looked he looked boy band hot,

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Speaker 1: kids like to say, Jay Billis on the White Shadow. Yes,

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Speaker 1: mcclem Can I make a confession. I always thought Ken Reeves,

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Speaker 1: was just a tag. Yeah, yeah, Ken Reeves was just

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Speaker 1: an actor. Yeah, Polly Dan, you're absolutely right. I got

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Speaker 1: the clip here. It's Jay Billis in the White Shadow.

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Speaker 1: He's six seven, about one eighty five. He thin, swoopy hair,

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Speaker 1: Why do you question me? I'm not I'm saying this is,

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Speaker 1: but you guys did. We were surprised that I did

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Speaker 1: And I nailed it. He was the star player for

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Speaker 1: the rich Kid team that came into Play Players Championship

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Speaker 1: TPC Sawgrass March eleven through the fourteenth on Golf Channel

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Speaker 1: and NBC. So Jay will join us coming up here

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Speaker 1: in a little bit, poll questioned McLevin from the First Town.

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Speaker 1: I also saw something that mel Kiper draft expert. He

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Speaker 1: was asked, if you combine the twenty twenty and twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty one draft classes, how would you rank the top

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Speaker 1: ten quarterbacks? Have that for you? Coming up here in

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Speaker 1: a moment, I speaking of Kuiper, I'll save it. Wait,

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Speaker 1: I just ask you the poll question. I know, but

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Speaker 1: you you brought up a name that's very sensitive to me.

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Speaker 1: Right now? What is wrong with you? I want? I

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Speaker 1: want to get into mel Kiper. I mean, is what

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Speaker 1: does he know about the drafts? Is he how long

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Speaker 1: morning quarterback on Wednesday? Yeah? I think it's about time.

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Speaker 1: Somebody questions. Yeah, I have an issue with his latest

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Speaker 1: time do you need to rip mel Kiper? I didn't

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Speaker 1: say he's gonna rip him. You said you're gonna get

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Speaker 1: into him sixty seconds. By the way, Paul Result, would

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Speaker 1: you boo James Harden eighty three? Yes, if you're a

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Speaker 1: Rockets fan, yeah, I don't care. Yeah, I really don't.

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Speaker 1: If you want to boo him, and you're one of

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Speaker 1: Like that was a great moment in Houston sports for

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Speaker 1: did they root for Tom Brady? Well? I think there

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Speaker 1: root for Tom Brady. Absolutely, you can still root for

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Speaker 1: know if there's like a thirteen year old there in

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Speaker 1: Houston this morning going, man, I just love the Nets

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Speaker 1: but I have no idea. It's kind of tough sledding

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Speaker 1: way on the escalator. The Rockets, hey, maybe they'll have

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Speaker 1: the number one pick in the draft. There's your positive

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Speaker 1: right there. That's about it. Yeah, McLellan. I think University

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Speaker 1: I don't know if that really matters. Finally, is that

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Speaker 1: I guess because the Rockets, you know, playing the Nets

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Speaker 1: and say goodbye to James Harden. Maybe they didn't get

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Speaker 1: to say goodbye to James Harden. Had a great conversation

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Speaker 1: with Greg Anthony of TNT and NBA TV. Any interview

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Speaker 1: But we went back and forth. He tried to make

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Speaker 1: a case for James Harden, and you know that maybe

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Speaker 1: the Rockets quit on him as well. It's a stretch

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Speaker 1: because in my opinion, James Harden is the one who

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Speaker 1: was orchestrating everything style of play, who they brought in,

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Speaker 1: James Harden's on the list. Elgin Baylor's up there. Elgin

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Speaker 1: great player. Harden's in there as well. Karl Malone went

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Speaker 1: to the postseason, he was average. Yeah. Club, he reminds

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Speaker 1: me a little of Philip Rivers running into the Patriots

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Speaker 1: if Chris Paul wasn't injured, you know, they might have

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Speaker 1: you know, the Bulls overcame the Pistons, the Pistons overcame

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Speaker 1: they're flaws show up in the postseason. It's like the

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Speaker 1: up playing with. His father, Dick Bay, was the head

423
00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:04,520
Speaker 1: coach at Loyal and Merrymount years ago and was a

424
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Speaker 1: technical consultant for the show The White Shadow because of

425
00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:09,560
Speaker 1: his basketball experience that he had been an extra in

426
00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:12,680
Speaker 1: all these you know, great shows back then like Mannix

427
00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:14,880
Speaker 1: and The six Million Dollar Man and all that stuff,

428
00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:17,879
Speaker 1: and so he got us on the show and and

429
00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:19,880
Speaker 1: I just happened to be the one that they picked

430
00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:21,879
Speaker 1: for the coach to yell at. Apparently I had that

431
00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:24,120
Speaker 1: kind of face that, you know, and it was also

432
00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:27,359
Speaker 1: foreshadowing for my college career. That was that was basically

433
00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:30,639
Speaker 1: every halftime and post game of my college career, the

434
00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:33,439
Speaker 1: coach Gay would wear me out. But that that was,

435
00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:36,399
Speaker 1: you know, that was nineteen seventy nine, I think, and

436
00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:39,479
Speaker 1: none of us knew that that was The White Shadow,

437
00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:41,879
Speaker 1: you remember, was one of the most popular shows on television,

438
00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:45,040
Speaker 1: and none of us knew that all the guys in

439
00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:48,440
Speaker 1: that show were like in their thirties and We had

440
00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:51,879
Speaker 1: no idea. We thought Coolidge was our age or Salami

441
00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:54,480
Speaker 1: was our age. We're talking to these guys. They're lighting

442
00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:57,160
Speaker 1: up a cigarette in between takes, and we're going, yeah,

443
00:24:57,200 --> 00:24:59,560
Speaker 1: my mom's picking me up after this. You know, how

444
00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:03,760
Speaker 1: you get? We couldn't Coolidge play. He was the only

445
00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:07,280
Speaker 1: one that could. They had on the sound stage where

446
00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:11,320
Speaker 1: where those games were. The court was really small and

447
00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:15,200
Speaker 1: they would just run the camera on a dolly opposite

448
00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:17,560
Speaker 1: the direction of the team was coming, so it made

449
00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:20,479
Speaker 1: it look like it was a regular, regular court. And

450
00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:22,280
Speaker 1: then they had a ramp for the guys to dunk

451
00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:24,560
Speaker 1: off of. But but Coolidge was really the only guy

452
00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:26,119
Speaker 1: that could play. And then they had a guy that

453
00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:30,280
Speaker 1: would come in named Wolf Perry, who played for Stanford

454
00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:33,359
Speaker 1: and was a great player, but he wasn't, I don't think,

455
00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:35,359
Speaker 1: one of the regulars on the show. But but the

456
00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:39,760
Speaker 1: other guys couldn't couldn't play dead. Did you get Did

457
00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:44,600
Speaker 1: you get paid? I don't remember. I don't think we did. Um.

458
00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:48,520
Speaker 1: I was later remember the Screen Actors Guild because I'd

459
00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:50,639
Speaker 1: done commercial work and then I did a movie. I

460
00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:53,320
Speaker 1: played an alien cop in a movie in the late eighties.

461
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Speaker 1: But I don't remember whether we got paid. It was

462
00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:59,080
Speaker 1: only a couple of days that we did that, and

463
00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:01,840
Speaker 1: we were extras. We might have gotten a few bucks,

464
00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:05,320
Speaker 1: but but I just don't remember. Wasn't the line I

465
00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:09,720
Speaker 1: leave in I go in peace, you I leave in piece,

466
00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:12,520
Speaker 1: you leave in pieces or something like that. Yeah. So

467
00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:15,760
Speaker 1: the movie that this was in the eighties, late eighties. Um,

468
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:17,920
Speaker 1: it was called I Come in Piece. It was originally

469
00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:20,679
Speaker 1: entitled Dark Angel. It was a Dolph Langern movie. And

470
00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:23,720
Speaker 1: I played an alien cop that was chasing around an

471
00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:28,040
Speaker 1: alien drug dealer. So the alien drug dealers line was

472
00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:30,800
Speaker 1: before he killed somebody, was I come in peace. You know,

473
00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:32,879
Speaker 1: he was a lying alien in addition to being a

474
00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:36,520
Speaker 1: drug dealer. Um. And but I my lines were I

475
00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:38,640
Speaker 1: had a death scene in the back of a car

476
00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:43,200
Speaker 1: that really brought tears to everyone's eyes. Just an amazing

477
00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:46,080
Speaker 1: Sir Lawrence Olivier complimented me on it. Thought it was

478
00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:49,080
Speaker 1: better than the death scene in Camille. So it was

479
00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:51,440
Speaker 1: the only bad part is I couldn't couldn't be in

480
00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:54,879
Speaker 1: the sequel. But did you have lines? Oh? Yeah, I

481
00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:57,240
Speaker 1: had a lot of lines. Um, I got I got

482
00:26:57,520 --> 00:26:59,960
Speaker 1: uh Like I think they call it single card credit

483
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:02,480
Speaker 1: back then, and it was it was such a bizarre

484
00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:05,720
Speaker 1: thing for me to have gotten that part in the movie.

485
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:08,800
Speaker 1: And I was so giddy about it, like like you know,

486
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:11,200
Speaker 1: I had been handed this golden ticket type of deal.

487
00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:14,320
Speaker 1: And then I realized afterwards that that movie was a

488
00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:16,800
Speaker 1: big break for a lot of actors that were in

489
00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:20,280
Speaker 1: the film. And uh. And I was early on, I

490
00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:23,280
Speaker 1: was treating this like it was some kind of lark. Uh.

491
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:25,680
Speaker 1: And then I I took it a lot more seriously

492
00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:28,240
Speaker 1: after that, when I realized these guys, this is their

493
00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:30,600
Speaker 1: career and for me, you know, I kind of just

494
00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:35,040
Speaker 1: got lucky. Is that a volleyball over your right shoulder? No,

495
00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:38,359
Speaker 1: it's a basketball. My wife is a professional artist, and

496
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:40,960
Speaker 1: when the pandemic hit, and this is my home studio

497
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:43,000
Speaker 1: where I do you know, sports owner hit stuff like that,

498
00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:45,920
Speaker 1: and uh. And so when I was up here all

499
00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:47,800
Speaker 1: the time, she just decided, if I was going to

500
00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:50,320
Speaker 1: be stranded in my studio, I would have some If

501
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:52,360
Speaker 1: I was going to be like Tom Hanks and castaway,

502
00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:54,600
Speaker 1: I would have some companies. So she painted me my own,

503
00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:57,600
Speaker 1: my own Wilson And yeah, it's a basketball though a

504
00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:04,040
Speaker 1: Patriot's helmet. Yes, there's actually a story behind that. When

505
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:06,200
Speaker 1: I was it was probably about ten to twelve years ago.

506
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:09,800
Speaker 1: I was playing golf with a friend of mine. He

507
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:11,959
Speaker 1: has a mutual friend that happened to be Tom Brady

508
00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:15,680
Speaker 1: and his father, Tom Senior, and we're playing golf in

509
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:20,000
Speaker 1: South Carolina and Tom Brady Senior asked me, Hey, we're

510
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:23,719
Speaker 1: flying out of Charlotte tomorrow. Can you recommend a hotel?

511
00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:26,240
Speaker 1: And I told him, hey, look, why don't you stay

512
00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:28,399
Speaker 1: with me? And we're moving. My wife and family are

513
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:30,760
Speaker 1: out of town. We're moving to a new house soon.

514
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:32,240
Speaker 1: So it's a mess, but I'll take you to the

515
00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:35,119
Speaker 1: airport in the morning. And and so I wound up

516
00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:39,040
Speaker 1: putting Tom Senior in my daughter's room. And then I

517
00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:41,280
Speaker 1: was gonna put you know, the Super Bowl MVP Tom

518
00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:44,840
Speaker 1: Junior in my in our guest room. And he said, no, no,

519
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:47,120
Speaker 1: I don't want to mess it up. And I'm like, dude,

520
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:50,800
Speaker 1: we're moving, it's gonna be messed up tomorrow anyway. And

521
00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:52,680
Speaker 1: he said, no, i'll sleep I'll sleep in this room.

522
00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:54,600
Speaker 1: And he picked my son's room. My son was like

523
00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:58,440
Speaker 1: eleven and he had a twin bed in there. And so, okay,

524
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:00,160
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna argue with him, so he slept in

525
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:02,760
Speaker 1: the bed. The next day, my wife calls and I said,

526
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:06,240
Speaker 1: you won't believe this, but Tom Brady stayed overnight here

527
00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:09,920
Speaker 1: and my son was like, are you kidding me? You know,

528
00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:12,960
Speaker 1: he wasn't there. I wasn't there. So I come home

529
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:15,600
Speaker 1: from work one day, probably a week later, and he's

530
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:17,960
Speaker 1: watching an old rerun of The Brady Bunch, Remember the

531
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:21,560
Speaker 1: Brady Bunch, And he's watching on Nickelodeon and he says

532
00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:24,000
Speaker 1: to me and he's like all mad, and he says,

533
00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:27,040
Speaker 1: everything works out for the Brady Bunch, and I'm like,

534
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:29,400
Speaker 1: what are you talking about? And he goes, Marshall lies

535
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:32,080
Speaker 1: about knowing Davy Jones, and Davy Jones takes her to

536
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:36,080
Speaker 1: the prom. Bobby lies about knowing Joe Namath, and Joe

537
00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:38,760
Speaker 1: Namath comes to his house and he goes, Tom Brady

538
00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:43,000
Speaker 1: slept in my bed, and nobody believes me. And I

539
00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:44,840
Speaker 1: thought that was the funniest thing. And I called this

540
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:47,080
Speaker 1: buddy mine that knew Brady. I told the story. We

541
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:50,080
Speaker 1: got to laugh over it. And about ten days later,

542
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:54,719
Speaker 1: this helmet comes to the house and it's it's signed

543
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:57,120
Speaker 1: to my son Anthony says to Anthony, you have the

544
00:29:57,200 --> 00:30:00,640
Speaker 1: best bed in Charlotte, Tom Brady twelve, and I was like,

545
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:03,560
Speaker 1: that is the coolest thing anybody's ever done for a kid.

546
00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:06,520
Speaker 1: I couldn't believe how nice that was. And anybody says

547
00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:09,520
Speaker 1: anything mean about Brady, I'm always like, no, you can

548
00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:12,000
Speaker 1: dislike him as a player, but that's one that's one

549
00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:14,840
Speaker 1: straight up good dude. He's Jay Billis. We were going

550
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:18,000
Speaker 1: to talk college basketball, and I remember it. You know,

551
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:23,280
Speaker 1: this was This was better because I've watched college basketball

552
00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:26,040
Speaker 1: this year, but I don't know anything about college basketball.

553
00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:30,719
Speaker 1: I know I know Gonzaga and Baylor, Michigan, but then

554
00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:33,520
Speaker 1: I thought I knew Michigan. I watched Illinois without their

555
00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:36,600
Speaker 1: best player dominate them. So if you were going to

556
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:39,360
Speaker 1: give the cliff Notes version to somebody right now, a

557
00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:43,000
Speaker 1: couple of weeks before selection Sunday, what would you say.

558
00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:47,479
Speaker 1: I would say that Gonzaga and Baylor and Michigan are

559
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:49,880
Speaker 1: the three best teams. But they're the three best teams

560
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:52,240
Speaker 1: because they're not only really good and can win the

561
00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:55,760
Speaker 1: whole thing, but they're the highest level consistent. I absent

562
00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:58,480
Speaker 1: that performance last night by by Michigan where they just

563
00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:01,680
Speaker 1: weren't prepared for a fight and a Big Ten team.

564
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:03,720
Speaker 1: The Big Ten is the best conference. They've got the

565
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:07,160
Speaker 1: most depth of teams that can make a final four,

566
00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:13,320
Speaker 1: but teams like Florida State UH can certainly do some damage. Um,

567
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:16,719
Speaker 1: you know, Houston's pretty good and can do some damage

568
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:18,760
Speaker 1: in the tournament. The one thing Dan that I would

569
00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:21,520
Speaker 1: I would caution sounds like the wrong word, but that

570
00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:24,600
Speaker 1: I would remind people is because of the pandemic, we

571
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:28,240
Speaker 1: didn't have non conference games where the little guy could

572
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 1: show how good they are, and so we're going to

573
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:34,280
Speaker 1: have some seeds in this thing where the little guy's

574
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:37,040
Speaker 1: way better than we think. And because they we have,

575
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:39,280
Speaker 1: we don't have the data of those games against the

576
00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:42,680
Speaker 1: big shots, and so it seems like they're not as good.

577
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:45,440
Speaker 1: But I'm not convinced that's true. I think we're going

578
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:48,240
Speaker 1: to have some volatility in this tournament that's going to

579
00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:50,800
Speaker 1: come from us just not having seen the data of

580
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:53,400
Speaker 1: early season games where the little guy got to take

581
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:56,240
Speaker 1: a swing at the big guy, and that's maybe that's

582
00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:58,840
Speaker 1: going to be delicious and wonderful, or maybe it's going

583
00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:00,680
Speaker 1: to really piss us off. I don't know what's going

584
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:04,880
Speaker 1: to happen. But I'm also wondering, you know, people rail

585
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:08,720
Speaker 1: against Duke or Kentucky or Indiana or well Duke in Kentucky,

586
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:12,280
Speaker 1: but if they're not in the tournament, or Michigan State's

587
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:14,320
Speaker 1: not in there, Like, is it a better tournament if

588
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:17,920
Speaker 1: other teams get an opportunity to be on center stage

589
00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:21,280
Speaker 1: as opposed to the normal blue bloods. I would I

590
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:24,000
Speaker 1: would say, I mean there's a yes and no to

591
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:26,480
Speaker 1: that question. I mean, I think more people. It's almost

592
00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:29,120
Speaker 1: like if you have a if you have a World

593
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:31,880
Speaker 1: Series where you have two small market teams playing in

594
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:34,720
Speaker 1: the World Series and the ratings are really low. It's

595
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:37,240
Speaker 1: great to see that those teams compete, but at the

596
00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:40,560
Speaker 1: same time, not as many people are interested. So without

597
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:43,640
Speaker 1: Duke Kentucky, if Michigan State doesn't keep winning, maybe Michigan

598
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:47,040
Speaker 1: State doesn't make it. Kansas is firmly in the field,

599
00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:49,560
Speaker 1: but but Kansas isn't as good as they've been in

600
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:51,920
Speaker 1: the past. They didn't win the Big twelve. Baylor won it,

601
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:56,160
Speaker 1: So I think the tournament will be diminished in a way.

602
00:32:57,160 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 1: But you know, it's kind of like I like in

603
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:02,800
Speaker 1: it when Tiger Woods shot eighty one in the in

604
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:06,360
Speaker 1: the British Open in that horrible weather that one year. Um,

605
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:10,120
Speaker 1: there was it was compelling. It was compelling to watch that,

606
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:12,320
Speaker 1: and I think it would be compelling even to watch

607
00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:16,120
Speaker 1: these teams struggle if they're not as good. Um. But

608
00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:17,640
Speaker 1: but I don't think we're gonna yeah, I mean, we're

609
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:19,680
Speaker 1: clearly not gonna have Kentucky. There's no way they're gonna

610
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:22,320
Speaker 1: they're gonna win their tournament to pull this out. Uh.

611
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:26,360
Speaker 1: And we're probably it's fifty fifty whether we have Duke.

612
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:29,040
Speaker 1: I think Michigan State will probably make it. I know

613
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:31,160
Speaker 1: Kansas will make it. But but it's been a really

614
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:34,520
Speaker 1: odd year. Um, what kind of pros are we looking

615
00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:39,080
Speaker 1: at in the tournament? While we've got some really good

616
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:41,520
Speaker 1: ones like Kate Cunningham. Oklahoma State, I think they're going

617
00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:44,800
Speaker 1: to make it, even though they're they're under a one

618
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:48,440
Speaker 1: year postseason ban. Um, it's really bizarre from that whole

619
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:52,720
Speaker 1: FBI thing, the most minimal of issues got them a

620
00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:56,240
Speaker 1: postseason ban. But it's under appeal, and if the is

621
00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:58,800
Speaker 1: odd as it sounds, if the appeals Committee doesn't here

622
00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:01,040
Speaker 1: and rule on the appeal by the tournament, Oklahoma State

623
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:03,040
Speaker 1: is going to play. Kate Cunningham is going to be

624
00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:05,240
Speaker 1: the first pick. He had forty the other night in

625
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:08,399
Speaker 1: a game against Oklahoma. He's the real deal. He's really good.

626
00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:12,920
Speaker 1: Jalen Sugs of Gonzaga another sort of one and done player. Um,

627
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 1: and everybody seems to be okay with one and done

628
00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 1: when it's a Gonzaga they just don't like dude, like

629
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:22,160
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's so weird, like you know, he

630
00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:24,200
Speaker 1: goes and he's a great kid. But some of these

631
00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:27,920
Speaker 1: other guys. But but you know, Gonzaga, it's not an issue.

632
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:30,439
Speaker 1: But but it's an issue at Kentucky and dude that's

633
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 1: being blamed for Kentucky Duke's problems this year as if

634
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:35,680
Speaker 1: the last ten years didn't exist. And you know, this

635
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:38,360
Speaker 1: is the only data point we have of one and done.

636
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:41,120
Speaker 1: But there they are a bunch of really good, really

637
00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:43,799
Speaker 1: good pros that we're gonna have. And Corey Kisberg at

638
00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:46,120
Speaker 1: at Gonzagi, even though he's a senior, I think is

639
00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:50,680
Speaker 1: a lottery pick and is probably under valued as a

640
00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:54,200
Speaker 1: as a truly great player in basketball that I think

641
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:56,560
Speaker 1: he's going to play if he stays healthy ten twelve

642
00:34:56,640 --> 00:34:58,560
Speaker 1: years in the league and be a be an a

643
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:03,200
Speaker 1: Sandy player. Is Garza at Iowa's he uh, Jeff Rulin

644
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:08,239
Speaker 1: two point zero different? Um, you know back you know

645
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:10,920
Speaker 1: how different the game was back then. I think Luca

646
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:13,440
Speaker 1: Garz is going to play in the NBA. UM his

647
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:16,680
Speaker 1: limitations are real though, Like he's not he's not a defender,

648
00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:19,080
Speaker 1: he doesn't play above the rim, he doesn't finish above

649
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:21,719
Speaker 1: the rim. Um, but he can step away and knock

650
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:24,680
Speaker 1: down shots and uh, and he's a really good player.

651
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:26,919
Speaker 1: But it's kind of like a Tyler Hansbro type thing.

652
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:29,759
Speaker 1: Like Handsbro was a great college player, Luca Garza is

653
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:34,759
Speaker 1: a great college player. Handsbro was a serviceable pro. And

654
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:38,160
Speaker 1: I think that that Garza will be better as a

655
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:40,000
Speaker 1: pro because he could step away and knock down on

656
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:44,120
Speaker 1: NBA three, which Handsbro was not proficient at. Um. But

657
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:46,040
Speaker 1: he doesn't. He doesn't get up and down the floor

658
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:49,640
Speaker 1: the way you would hope he could. And and he's not.

659
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:52,960
Speaker 1: He's not a shot blocker, he's not a high volume rebounder.

660
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:55,600
Speaker 1: And in pick and roll situations he's gonna get he's

661
00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:58,120
Speaker 1: gonna get attacked. But it doesn't mean he can't play

662
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:00,640
Speaker 1: it just it just means it's to be an issue

663
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:02,959
Speaker 1: for him in being a great player at that level.

664
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:06,960
Speaker 1: There's a poll out, well it's a list. I hate list,

665
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:10,839
Speaker 1: but I still read them. This is sp Nation had

666
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:14,200
Speaker 1: the top fifty college basketball teams of all time what

667
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:20,120
Speaker 1: they did in that individual season, and North Carolina State

668
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:23,080
Speaker 1: is the fifth best with David Thompson nineteen seventy four.

669
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:27,799
Speaker 1: North Carolina with Michael and Perkins and Worthy that's for

670
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:32,800
Speaker 1: Duke in nineteen ninety two. Indiana Undefeated is number two

671
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:36,280
Speaker 1: on that list nineteen seventy six, and then Bill Walton's

672
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:39,239
Speaker 1: first year as a starter at UCLA nineteen seventy two

673
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:43,240
Speaker 1: is the number one team of all time. Any issues

674
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:48,400
Speaker 1: with that? How could you not have a UCLA team

675
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:51,839
Speaker 1: with Leu Alsender not on that list of at least

676
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:54,640
Speaker 1: the top five. I mean, I find that laughably absurd.

677
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:57,560
Speaker 1: You know, when the pandemic started, we did at ESPN

678
00:36:57,600 --> 00:36:59,759
Speaker 1: the you know, the greatest college basketball player of all

679
00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:01,960
Speaker 1: time Brackett, and they had men and women, and I

680
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:04,920
Speaker 1: did all that with this Jay I was angry, and

681
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:09,200
Speaker 1: I even I was though not the Kareem is the

682
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:14,200
Speaker 1: best player of all time. It's not close. It's not

683
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:18,640
Speaker 1: any metric you want to use. It's not close. And look,

684
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:20,600
Speaker 1: I get it when fans vote on that stuff, but

685
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:23,440
Speaker 1: but but give me a break. I mean, and and

686
00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:26,640
Speaker 1: if we're going to do these lists, like the truth

687
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:30,759
Speaker 1: is UCLA would be the top eight or you know,

688
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:34,520
Speaker 1: they were so dominant and so good and having having

689
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:38,160
Speaker 1: back to back. I remember one time that that somebody,

690
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:41,440
Speaker 1: it was somebody at Duke Frankly that that, And it

691
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:44,239
Speaker 1: was while Laytner and Grant Hill and Bobby Hurley and

692
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:46,759
Speaker 1: Thomas Hill were there. I was a grad assistant, and

693
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:51,080
Speaker 1: somebody had said something about UCLA about you know, well,

694
00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:53,880
Speaker 1: of course wouldn't won somebody he had Alsander and Walton,

695
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:56,920
Speaker 1: and I go, okay, that's five he won five others

696
00:37:57,640 --> 00:38:00,600
Speaker 1: and without those guys. And you know, I was really

697
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:02,880
Speaker 1: sensitive because I grew up in Los Angeles and and

698
00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:06,200
Speaker 1: people always said stuff like that to put down UCLA,

699
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:08,640
Speaker 1: like wow, you know the West Coast back then, you know,

700
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:10,279
Speaker 1: they didn't have to beat anybody to get to the

701
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:12,680
Speaker 1: final four, and like, well nobody beat him once they

702
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:15,560
Speaker 1: got there, Like how did that not happen? And he

703
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:18,200
Speaker 1: won a title with maybe the smallest lineup to ever

704
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:21,719
Speaker 1: win a title in sixty four, you talk out, Yeah, yeah,

705
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:24,480
Speaker 1: I did it in sixty four. Then then after al

706
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:28,399
Speaker 1: Sinder left, he won, He won in seventy and seventy one.

707
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:33,760
Speaker 1: Steveson got there, Yes, Curtis Rose, Sidney Wicks, all those guys.

708
00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:38,080
Speaker 1: I mean, that was an extraordinary run. But but al

709
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:41,200
Speaker 1: Sinder was the best player, and those teams, like, I

710
00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:44,080
Speaker 1: don't care what you know. Mike Warren was was the

711
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:49,279
Speaker 1: point guard for Alsinder's teams. And and you're telling me like,

712
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:51,759
Speaker 1: like with Alsinder out there that they couldn't have beat

713
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:54,080
Speaker 1: some of the teams on that list, they absolutely would

714
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:56,040
Speaker 1: have done. And it wasn't that much. It wasn't that

715
00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:59,360
Speaker 1: far removed from when Indiana won at seventy six that

716
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:02,160
Speaker 1: we couldn't pair of those teams we could. Great to

717
00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:04,200
Speaker 1: talk to you is always Jay. We appreciate your time,

718
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:05,960
Speaker 1: thanks for joining us, and hopefully we'll talk to you

719
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:08,400
Speaker 1: here real soon. Yeah, if you want any more stories

720
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:10,160
Speaker 1: about some of the other helmets, I can waste all

721
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:12,040
Speaker 1: your time with it. I like it though, I like

722
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:14,840
Speaker 1: it's great for radio. People on radio really appreciate that

723
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:17,200
Speaker 1: when you talk about something visual, Jay, as only you

724
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:20,080
Speaker 1: can thank you budd, We'll take a break. We're back

725
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 1: after this mclove and I guess rips mel Kiper coming

726
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:26,600
Speaker 1: up next hour. Well, would you put it like that? Yes,

727
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:31,200
Speaker 1: it better pay off, it won't. I want mel Kiper

728
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:33,440
Speaker 1: to react to this. That's how much I want you

729
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:35,920
Speaker 1: to rip mel Kiper. He's definitely not on Twitter, so

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Speaker 1: I was going to mention this with Mel Kuiper, because

747
00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:44,960
Speaker 1: Mel is combining the last two drafts, not this year,

748
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:48,000
Speaker 1: but the two previous ones. And where were those quarterbacks rank.

749
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:50,799
Speaker 1: He's got Trevor Lawrence at number one, Joe Burrow two two,

750
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:54,560
Speaker 1: a Tongue of Eloh at three, Justin Herbert at four,

751
00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:58,759
Speaker 1: Zach Wilson five, Justin Field six, Mac Jones seven, Trey

752
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:02,919
Speaker 1: Lance eight, Ordon Love nine, and tenth on his list

753
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:10,440
Speaker 1: is Jacob Eason and Jalen Hurts. Look, it's it's Mel's

754
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:12,799
Speaker 1: opinion on these guys, and this is what he does

755
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:15,360
Speaker 1: for a living, So I mean I may not agree

756
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:19,080
Speaker 1: with those. If I was looking at that list, I

757
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:21,560
Speaker 1: would put Justin Herbert over to a tongue of Violo.

758
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:24,520
Speaker 1: But these are pre draft grades, in fairness to Mel,

759
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:30,480
Speaker 1: pre draft grades. But Trevor Lawrence and Joe Burrow, and

760
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:33,279
Speaker 1: then you had two and Justin Herbert. Obviously he would

761
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:35,800
Speaker 1: change that now that you would put Justin Herbert, and

762
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:39,120
Speaker 1: you might even put him two over Joe Burrow. But

763
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:41,840
Speaker 1: Zack Wilson's getting a lot of love, and so is

764
00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:45,040
Speaker 1: Mac Jones. Yeah, point Trevor Lawrence, maybe Andrew Luck, but

765
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:48,160
Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence is probably the only NFL prospect, a quarterback

766
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:50,960
Speaker 1: that can never remember with zero criticism. I haven't heard

767
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:53,759
Speaker 1: anyone say anything specific. You know, I still't know what

768
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:56,520
Speaker 1: what simms is saying that he does wrong or doesn't

769
00:41:56,520 --> 00:41:57,960
Speaker 1: do as good as Kyle wasn't. But I haven't heard

770
00:41:57,960 --> 00:41:59,560
Speaker 1: anyone say he, well, he doesn't make this pass, he

771
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:01,640
Speaker 1: doesn't do this thing, he doesn't run well. There's been

772
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:05,160
Speaker 1: zero criticism in his career as far as as a

773
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:07,799
Speaker 1: pro prospect. It's it's almost surreal. Well, we'll find out

774
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:10,719
Speaker 1: tomorrow when Chris Sims joinses, but we'll find out why

775
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:14,839
Speaker 1: he loves Zach Wilson more than Trevor Lawrence. I don't

776
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:18,760
Speaker 1: think he's alone. I think that people are probably hesitant

777
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:21,400
Speaker 1: to put that out there, And even the person who

778
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:24,520
Speaker 1: put it out was it's an anonymous scout I believe

779
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:28,919
Speaker 1: who said that his draft board that his team had

780
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:34,680
Speaker 1: Zack Wilson higher than Trevor Lawrence. Man. But stay tuned

781
00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:39,840
Speaker 1: next how mcloven rips Mel Kiper. It's the possible criticism

782
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:42,120
Speaker 1: of Trevor Lawrence. Could he be too tall? I know

783
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:44,799
Speaker 1: that sounds weird, but like remember that six sixth line.

784
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:48,279
Speaker 1: We did that bit where if you're six six in above, Yeah,

785
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:49,800
Speaker 1: you don't want to be six six, you want to

786
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:52,360
Speaker 1: be six five. Yeah. I don't know what Lawrence is.

787
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:56,080
Speaker 1: He's right around there, yeah, like kind of tall, kind

788
00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:58,239
Speaker 1: of stiff maybe, I don't know. The only thing I

789
00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:01,160
Speaker 1: heard it wasn't criticism of him. It was more criticism

790
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:04,759
Speaker 1: of Dabo Sweeney. In the offense they rarely threw over

791
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:08,360
Speaker 1: the middle, and that he would throw on the sides

792
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:11,399
Speaker 1: but you know, outside the numbers. But he didn't throw

793
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:13,759
Speaker 1: over the middle and in the NFL you got to

794
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:15,759
Speaker 1: throw over the middle. But that that was the only

795
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:19,320
Speaker 1: real criticism, but that was really their offensive strategy. Yeah, mclub.

796
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:22,120
Speaker 1: I've also heard, you know he lost, that he looked

797
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:24,359
Speaker 1: kind of bad and all the losses in the final

798
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:29,880
Speaker 1: fours not bad, but I think that's unfair. Yeah. And

799
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:34,759
Speaker 1: also his replacement looked good when DJ came in when

800
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:38,880
Speaker 1: Trevor was out. Some you know that supporting cast that

801
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:42,520
Speaker 1: he has never quite sure. It's what makes it even

802
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:46,480
Speaker 1: harder to assess the talent, certainly at the quarterbacking position. Mclovin,

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