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Speaker 2: For me, I'm a man, I'm forty. I've heard so

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Speaker 2: many players say, well, I want to be happy. You

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Speaker 1: Is that? Whoo whoom? And Dan and Tie.

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Speaker 2: Dan Rubenstein, Mega March Q and A part.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back.

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Speaker 1: How are you?

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Speaker 2: I'm good? This is nothing to do with March madness, though,

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Speaker 2: I don't think unless you have any Purdue basketball thoughts,

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Speaker 2: which you always seem to, I do not.

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Speaker 1: I have not watched a single minute of college basketball

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Speaker 1: this year.

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Speaker 2: It's been a pretty good season and I don't watch much.

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Speaker 2: But from what I've seen, it like Miami of Ohio

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Speaker 2: is still undefeated, and there's conund thirty. Yeah, the bubble

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Speaker 2: and Miami of Ohio if they lose to whoever in

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Speaker 2: the MAC Championship game. As we record this March in

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Speaker 2: early March. March ninth is when we're recording this. And

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Speaker 2: then I saw there was a huge game here and

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Speaker 2: I watched part of it, Duke Michigan in Chicago with

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Speaker 2: here and looking good. I went to Oregon Northwestern. It

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Speaker 2: was low quality baths.

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Speaker 1: What was that experience like?

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Speaker 2: But it's fun to see basketball in person always, no

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Speaker 2: matter how high or low or medium level it is.

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Speaker 2: So I'm not going to be good for your bracket

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Speaker 2: this year necessarily, But I don't know. I feel like

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Speaker 1: Well, that's cool. And as we're recording this, I guess

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Speaker 1: tournament officially kicks off. At that point, I will have

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Speaker 1: very strong opinions of the teams that are playing in

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Speaker 1: this because I have pools that I need to fill out.

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Speaker 1: So the research has not started yet. The research will commence,

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Speaker 1: I would say, late Sunday evening.

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Speaker 2: I can't wait to hear you all of your thoughts.

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Speaker 2: You know what you have to do. Roger Sherman, that's

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Speaker 2: all you need with his three upset picks. Yeah, you

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Speaker 2: need Roger Sherman doing his deep dive and you just

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Speaker 1: Welcome back one and all. I am tyees Dan. This

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Speaker 1: is solid verbel. This is part two of our Mega

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Speaker 1: episode you can find out at verballers dot com. But

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Speaker 1: to Bob. Bob wants to know what are three surprise

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Speaker 1: teams that could make the playoff next year that no

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Speaker 1: one is tracking right now. Dan, I love this question

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Speaker 2: I have a couple answers. Here can do you? I

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Speaker 1: We should do a mini draft. I think that would

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Speaker 1: so I have some I have some actual opinions on this.

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Speaker 1: I haven't done the full deep dive or anything yet,

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Speaker 2: You're doing it PBT pre blind transfer season PBT.

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Speaker 1: I'm up first. Oklahoma State. Oh man, that really is

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Speaker 1: State new coach Eric Morris. They are basically North Texas,

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Speaker 2: That's Houston.

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Speaker 1: Uh, Washington?

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Speaker 1: Ty I'd say Washington because I like the roster. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I like the roster. I'm not crazy about the schedule.

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Speaker 2: Where's that game being played.

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Speaker 2: By the way, Washington opens this season with the Apple Cup. Yes,

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Speaker 2: I think the G five, G six conversation teams Wazoo

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Speaker 2: It is a not nothing transfer. Okay, redshirt freshman last

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Speaker 1: Okay, who's your pick?

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Speaker 2: My next pick after Houston is Tennessee, which is kind

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Speaker 2: for a bad season. I just think they're super interesting.

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Speaker 2: They bring in a ton on defense, especially in the secondary.

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Speaker 2: Out of the portal. They bring in a like a

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Speaker 2: In Jim Nomle. They brought in If he's not the best,

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Speaker 2: he's one of the best. Three defensive line transfers in

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Speaker 2: the sport in chas Coleman. Yep, that's not nothing. Alt's

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Speaker 2: going to fall at quarterback, whether it's Faison Brandon or

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Speaker 2: George McIntyre. Their schedules not horrible. I don't mind Tennessee

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Speaker 2: not as off the conversation as your first pick.

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Speaker 1: I agree, you ready for my next one?

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Speaker 2: I'm ready. Florida also considered Florida here.

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Speaker 1: The schedule is a.

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Speaker 2: Gauntlet mm hm.

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Speaker 1: But they do play Ole Miss, they play Oklahoma. Both

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Speaker 1: of them are at home. I really like the roster.

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Speaker 1: I went up and down this roster before jotting him down.

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Speaker 1: I really like the roster. I really like the coaching staff.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Michigan was on my list.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I share your concern, I really do. I have

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Speaker 2: See. The thing is to me, it's the where in

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Speaker 1: Is that's terrible. That's fair. I'm mixed on how I

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00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:28,480
Speaker 1: feel about that, but I think it's worth a conversation.

437
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Speaker 2: By the way, just sub topic to this, we got

438
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Speaker 2: a question from Michael about who the college football equivalent

439
00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:37,920
Speaker 2: of Mick cronan is. So, I don't think James Franklin

440
00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:40,800
Speaker 2: is publicly that unlikable, but I think there is a

441
00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:43,840
Speaker 2: combative nature to James Franklin that puts him as like

442
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Speaker 2: number four or five for my answer of who college

443
00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:48,080
Speaker 2: football's mc cronan is.

444
00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:50,160
Speaker 1: Who is college football is mccronan.

445
00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:52,280
Speaker 2: So do you know who mc cronan is. I know,

446
00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:55,520
Speaker 2: coach of UCLA, yes, And he's like very combative, you know,

447
00:23:56,000 --> 00:24:01,119
Speaker 2: criticizes players, criticizes officials like isn't really like looked at

448
00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:04,560
Speaker 2: his whiny and unlikable. It's Brian Kelly, but he's not

449
00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:07,400
Speaker 2: an active coach, and then it's Hugh Freeze, but he's

450
00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:10,919
Speaker 2: not an active coach. Sure, so I don't know if

451
00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:14,880
Speaker 2: there's a good active coach who is that vocal and

452
00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:19,119
Speaker 2: kind of pissy about everything all of the time. But

453
00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:22,960
Speaker 2: it was Brian Kelly and to a different extent, Hugh Freeze.

454
00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:25,639
Speaker 2: Is there somebody like that to you? Because James Franklin

455
00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:27,120
Speaker 2: can be combative like.

456
00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:30,560
Speaker 1: That, he can be petty, he can be very petty.

457
00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:36,280
Speaker 2: Petty and combative and I don't know, vindictive.

458
00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:39,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm looking at the list. I need to think

459
00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:40,480
Speaker 1: more about this one.

460
00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:46,639
Speaker 2: But like, who is that outsize coach personality who's just

461
00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:50,040
Speaker 2: like his own teams? Fans are like, yeah, he's good,

462
00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:52,160
Speaker 2: but like, I don't really like him as a human.

463
00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:55,760
Speaker 2: I don't know who that person is without having Brian

464
00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:58,920
Speaker 2: Kelly in the active coaching we need Brian Kelly back

465
00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:00,800
Speaker 2: is what we need. Who is that per I don't know.

466
00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:03,600
Speaker 1: I don't know. He was the most unlikable coach.

467
00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:05,080
Speaker 2: Yeah we can let us know. I don't know.

468
00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:07,080
Speaker 1: Let's go to our next question. Good one, row, Well,

469
00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:10,000
Speaker 1: thank you for that, Craig. Craig wants to know do

470
00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:11,840
Speaker 1: you like college football? As much as he used to.

471
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Speaker 1: Does player movement and nil make the sport more interesting

472
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Speaker 1: to cover or more frustrating? Thank you, Craig.

473
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Speaker 2: Okay, two different questions with like kind of different angles

474
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Speaker 2: to view the question.

475
00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:28,000
Speaker 1: I think the closer you get to anything, the easier

476
00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:31,199
Speaker 1: it is to get cynical. I'm definitely more of a

477
00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:33,080
Speaker 1: cynic now than I was when we started this thing

478
00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:35,879
Speaker 1: in eight Okay, but I don't think that means I

479
00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:42,040
Speaker 1: like college football anyways. College football is different, for sure,

480
00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:46,879
Speaker 1: and I think people are right to chime in and

481
00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:50,119
Speaker 1: send us feedback and tell us why. Yeah, like, we

482
00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:53,080
Speaker 1: appreciate that. That actually is very helpful for you and

483
00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:55,800
Speaker 1: I to get that kind of feedback from people. But

484
00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:58,359
Speaker 1: I was just I was thinking about this, and I was,

485
00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:02,720
Speaker 1: as I said before, it's early March. I'm putting preview

486
00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:05,800
Speaker 1: content together, and I'm getting excited about him good, you know,

487
00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:07,720
Speaker 1: and he can't fake good thing. You can't fake that.

488
00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:10,679
Speaker 1: You're either into it or you're not. And so I

489
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:13,920
Speaker 1: get excited about thinking about a new season. I'm under

490
00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:18,919
Speaker 1: no illusions in thinking that college football is fixed and

491
00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:20,760
Speaker 1: perfect in any way, shape or form. We know it

492
00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:25,440
Speaker 1: is not. But I don't think I like it any less.

493
00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:27,800
Speaker 1: There are elements of it that are caused for pause,

494
00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:31,359
Speaker 1: our favorite pet charity, But on the whole, I still

495
00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:33,960
Speaker 1: love it. That's why we're still doing this. And to

496
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:37,040
Speaker 1: the second part of his question, where he says nil

497
00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:39,640
Speaker 1: and player movement, does it make it more interesting or

498
00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:43,320
Speaker 1: more frustrating? The answer to both is yes. The answer

499
00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:45,640
Speaker 1: to both is yes, it does make it more interesting.

500
00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:51,080
Speaker 1: But I would say the level of difficulty for two people,

501
00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:55,520
Speaker 1: just two people to track all of this and try

502
00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:58,119
Speaker 1: to put order to it and organize it and speak

503
00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:02,520
Speaker 1: about it in any kind of intelligent way. Maybe I'm biased.

504
00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:05,280
Speaker 1: We're still we're so aiming for that first show and

505
00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:07,760
Speaker 1: we can do it. We're still having for the first time.

506
00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:10,720
Speaker 1: We could do it. Yeah, Yeah, it is impossibly difficult

507
00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:13,520
Speaker 1: to take track of all this stuff. That's why most

508
00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:16,359
Speaker 1: of our competitors in this world, or our colleagues, I'll say,

509
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:18,360
Speaker 1: have a bunch of other people that are helping out

510
00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:20,679
Speaker 1: because it's hard. It is hard to keep track of

511
00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:23,199
Speaker 1: all this stuff. And there is nothing more frustrated than

512
00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:25,760
Speaker 1: when you get a basic thing wrong that one fan

513
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:28,760
Speaker 1: base knows that that goes under the radar because we're

514
00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:32,439
Speaker 1: trying to like, eat the whole elephant here. So it

515
00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:35,240
Speaker 1: does make it interesting. It also makes it frustrating. But

516
00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:38,840
Speaker 1: I don't feel any less about college football. I love

517
00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:39,240
Speaker 1: the sport.

518
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:42,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it makes it more difficult for everybody. Right,

519
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:44,400
Speaker 2: you want to latch onto players you love, You want

520
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:48,120
Speaker 2: to latch onto schedule you're used to. Right, it's more

521
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:52,840
Speaker 2: difficult to look at college football as a familiar escape

522
00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:57,600
Speaker 2: because player names are changing, coaches move around. It seems well,

523
00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:00,439
Speaker 2: the coaching movement seems to have slowed some times. There

524
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:03,240
Speaker 2: are some cycles where it seems to slow more than usual.

525
00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:07,240
Speaker 2: The nil thing is weird just because in other sports

526
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:11,000
Speaker 2: you understand how the business of player payment works. It's

527
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:14,360
Speaker 2: a pretty direct thing where it's like, this sport has

528
00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:17,000
Speaker 2: a salary cap, this is what a max contract is.

529
00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:20,240
Speaker 2: Right that there's at least some transparency if you're interested

530
00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:23,080
Speaker 2: in learning about how those things work. There's not with

531
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:26,480
Speaker 2: college football. So that makes it more difficult to understand

532
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:30,040
Speaker 2: the sport on a certain level. For me personally, I

533
00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:33,040
Speaker 2: don't like being a college football fan as much as

534
00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:35,960
Speaker 2: I used to, not because of anything that the sport

535
00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:40,400
Speaker 2: has done, but because I watch the games by myself,

536
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:44,360
Speaker 2: because the people I watch games with in California when

537
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:47,640
Speaker 2: I live there don't live where I live. The people

538
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:50,280
Speaker 2: I watch games with in New York, and these are

539
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:53,719
Speaker 2: sports media people at this point, don't live here. And

540
00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:57,600
Speaker 2: so the friends that I have here are also parents

541
00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:00,280
Speaker 2: of young children who can't just come over or for

542
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:03,400
Speaker 2: nine hours and watch a bunch of college football. So

543
00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:07,120
Speaker 2: that makes it more difficult to look at college football

544
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:09,880
Speaker 2: as a social experience in the way that it was before.

545
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:13,520
Speaker 2: Now this might just be a dip for me, because

546
00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:17,520
Speaker 2: if God willing, my kids continue to be sports fans

547
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:20,320
Speaker 2: like they are now when they are eleven and nine,

548
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:21,400
Speaker 2: thirteen and eleven or.

549
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:22,520
Speaker 1: There going to be all that into it.

550
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:25,240
Speaker 2: That could be very cool to watch and go to

551
00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:27,640
Speaker 2: games with them. So then suddenly we're going to have

552
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:30,480
Speaker 2: a lift to the experience where I can hang out

553
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:32,920
Speaker 2: with my kids or hang out with their friends or

554
00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:35,280
Speaker 2: their friends parents, and like it'll be like a communal

555
00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:36,920
Speaker 2: thing in the way that it used to be in

556
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:41,040
Speaker 2: a different way. So that in that regard, college football

557
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:43,920
Speaker 2: fandom is not as cool as it used to be.

558
00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:47,479
Speaker 2: But yeah, I think the one thing that it does

559
00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:50,160
Speaker 2: the nil thing and portal thing doesn't bother me as much.

560
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:53,440
Speaker 2: The conversation being rooted like in what we do and

561
00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:57,840
Speaker 2: have to pay attention to stuff like realignment and TV

562
00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:03,440
Speaker 2: deals like that conversation is nowhere near as fun as

563
00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:08,000
Speaker 2: arguing about the third best team in the BCS era. Like,

564
00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:09,840
Speaker 2: I like that kind of thing. I liked arguing about

565
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:15,480
Speaker 2: schedules and performances and computer I liked that. I didn't

566
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:19,000
Speaker 2: feel like that was nearly as toxic and personal in

567
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:23,600
Speaker 2: a lot of ways as realignment and congress. Getting involved

568
00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:28,440
Speaker 2: and you know injunctions like that stuff is not fun

569
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:33,239
Speaker 2: conversation so that we have to do that as much

570
00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:36,200
Speaker 2: or as little as we do is not fun. But

571
00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:41,160
Speaker 2: everything changes, everything evolves, and excited to see where we go.

572
00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:44,040
Speaker 2: But yeah, it's you know, I like everything. It changes

573
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:45,040
Speaker 2: with the times.

574
00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:47,280
Speaker 1: Change with the times. I mean, I'm into the portally,

575
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:49,880
Speaker 1: you know this, I'm into the portal. I really enjoy

576
00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:53,520
Speaker 1: tracking that side of it. I enjoy that side of

577
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:55,920
Speaker 1: it much more than I enjoy the high school recruiting

578
00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:58,960
Speaker 1: side of it. Fair if only because it's players that

579
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:02,400
Speaker 1: we know in many cases, and there's a near constant

580
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:04,480
Speaker 1: source of intrigue about some of the big names. Are

581
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:06,120
Speaker 1: they going to stay? Are they going to go? I

582
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:10,200
Speaker 1: understand it's not always healthy to be a fan in

583
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:12,960
Speaker 1: this type of climate where you're wondering if your best

584
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:16,120
Speaker 1: players have any allegiance to your school. That part of it,

585
00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:19,760
Speaker 1: for sure is frustrating. And it's extremely frustrating when we

586
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:22,360
Speaker 1: try to put together all of our preview stuff at

587
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:23,880
Speaker 1: the beginning of the year and you have to relearn

588
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:28,840
Speaker 1: every roster every single season. It's really hard. But yeah,

589
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:31,320
Speaker 1: it is interesting, right, It's.

590
00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:33,280
Speaker 2: Also hard in a like not real life way.

591
00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:36,239
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I don't need anyone's sympathy for this, but

592
00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:38,360
Speaker 1: you understand what it It's difficult. It's hard to do

593
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:41,959
Speaker 1: when it gets frustrating. Speaking of which, we did get

594
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 1: a question here from Jeremy. You mentioned Congress. Let's talk Congress,

595
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:50,840
Speaker 1: Dan Well, I can't wait. Jeremy wants to know when

596
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:54,920
Speaker 1: will the NCAA stop begging Congress for help? Would making

597
00:31:55,360 --> 00:32:02,400
Speaker 1: players employees solve more problems than it creates. So here's

598
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:05,160
Speaker 1: the short answer, Jeremy, I don't believe the NCUBA will

599
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:08,440
Speaker 1: ever stop begging Congress for help because it needs Congress's

600
00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:11,280
Speaker 1: help so that they don't get sued r This is

601
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:14,280
Speaker 1: the problem. This is where the NCAA finds itself right now.

602
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:16,520
Speaker 1: It had rules for an eternity. Most of those have

603
00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:20,000
Speaker 1: been overthrown. They have lost nearly every lawsuit they have

604
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:22,960
Speaker 1: been a part of, and so they need some sort

605
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:27,000
Speaker 1: of umbrella legislature that can give them an out, that

606
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:29,760
Speaker 1: can allow them to enforce the rules without them being

607
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:32,840
Speaker 1: on the hook to be sued if somebody disagrees. That

608
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:35,520
Speaker 1: is what the NCAA needs more than anything. That's why

609
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:39,080
Speaker 1: they brought in a former governor of a state to

610
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:42,760
Speaker 1: run it. They needed a politician to try and talk

611
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:45,640
Speaker 1: to other politicians, to speak that language and maybe give

612
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:48,680
Speaker 1: them something of a safety net. So if you're waiting

613
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 1: for that moment to come or we stop having this

614
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:53,800
Speaker 1: conversation about Congress, that may happen at some point in

615
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:55,320
Speaker 1: the future, but I don't think it's going to be

616
00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:57,960
Speaker 1: anytime soon, because they need the help any way they

617
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:01,720
Speaker 1: can get it. Yeah, dispute on that, Dan, you you're

618
00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:02,440
Speaker 1: with me on that one.

619
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:03,520
Speaker 2: No, that's all reasonable.

620
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:06,960
Speaker 1: Yep. Now the broader question, though, is if you made

621
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:11,880
Speaker 1: players employees, is it creating more problems than it is

622
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:15,800
Speaker 1: providing answers. Yeah, I mean, I think it's both solving

623
00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:17,880
Speaker 1: problems and creating problems. Right.

624
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:21,520
Speaker 2: It doesn't mean they shouldn't do it because.

625
00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:23,440
Speaker 1: Longer term, I think it solves a lot of problems.

626
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:27,240
Speaker 1: But in the shorter term, probably need a player's union.

627
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:27,920
Speaker 1: Who's running that?

628
00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:29,000
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.

629
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:31,640
Speaker 1: I mean there is some structure now for it, but

630
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:35,360
Speaker 1: who you need something like that to negotiate on behalf

631
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:38,880
Speaker 1: of the players. The union needs to negotiate with somebody,

632
00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:42,280
Speaker 1: So you probably need a commissioner or some sort of

633
00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:45,800
Speaker 1: governing body to work with. I don't know who that

634
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:51,400
Speaker 1: person is. Just that in and of itself, I think

635
00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:56,239
Speaker 1: is a huge problem because this is a sport that

636
00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:57,800
Speaker 1: no one's in charge of right now. It's a bunch

637
00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:02,680
Speaker 1: of conference commissioners. So you're talking fundamentally about the structure

638
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:05,800
Speaker 1: of the sport, and I think at least initially, there

639
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:08,840
Speaker 1: would be some big time wrinkles that need to be

640
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:12,000
Speaker 1: sorted out with respect to that. How do you get

641
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:14,719
Speaker 1: past that? You got to alter the structure of how

642
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:17,560
Speaker 1: this thing is run in order to get to that point. Right.

643
00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:20,440
Speaker 1: That is one of any number of problems that I

644
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:22,000
Speaker 1: could find with it in the short term. Again, I'm

645
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:24,279
Speaker 1: not saying don't do it. Longer term, I think it's

646
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:27,480
Speaker 1: probably the only answer that makes sense, but in the

647
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:30,080
Speaker 1: short term it would definitely create more problems.

648
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:32,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, everything's going to both create and solve problems at

649
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:36,640
Speaker 2: this point, and it's going to it's playing whack a mole.

650
00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:40,640
Speaker 2: It's plugging one leak and opening up another. Yeah, it's Look,

651
00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:42,919
Speaker 2: if you are going to be employed, who is your employer? Okay,

652
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:45,400
Speaker 2: the school is your employer. And who regulates the schools

653
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Speaker 2: and who standardizes the contracts? Is it conferences? Is it

654
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:51,839
Speaker 2: some sort of new umbrella institution that is you know

655
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:53,240
Speaker 2: college football.

656
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:55,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's create another one. What was the thing they

657
00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:57,640
Speaker 1: had for nil, Let's create another one of those, and

658
00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:00,680
Speaker 1: then that'll run the schools. Yeah, it's it's.

659
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:04,080
Speaker 2: Open clearinghouses and right, you're going to involve more lawyers,

660
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:06,200
Speaker 2: you know, as always you know Bill Blauer's or the

661
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:11,000
Speaker 2: winner here. Yeah, if you're looking to standardize contracts, if

662
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:13,239
Speaker 2: you're looking to standardize revenue sharing, if you're looking to

663
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:17,680
Speaker 2: standardize player commitments to schools and school commitments to players,

664
00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:20,840
Speaker 2: it is a good thing. Now, there's always you know,

665
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:24,400
Speaker 2: the law of unintended consequences and like okay, as a

666
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:27,200
Speaker 2: school no longer on the hook for certain amounts of

667
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:30,640
Speaker 2: insurance that they were before, or medical attention. You know,

668
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:34,600
Speaker 2: there's certain things that need to be negotiated. To your point,

669
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:37,640
Speaker 2: who is doing the negotiating? And there is the obvious

670
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:42,840
Speaker 2: wrinkle of in professional sports leagues, the top of those leagues,

671
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:46,200
Speaker 2: be it baseball, basketball, football, These guys around for fifteen

672
00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:49,880
Speaker 2: twenty years, right, these are the same people in these

673
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 2: rooms with their representatives, their player representatives and their official representatives.

674
00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:58,320
Speaker 2: How do the players find someone that they can trust

675
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:01,120
Speaker 2: that isn't a stooge for the other side or something

676
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:04,560
Speaker 2: like that. And when the players turn over so quickly,

677
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:09,480
Speaker 2: where is their consistency of vision and message. When suddenly

678
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:12,759
Speaker 2: this quarterback who had like a really good head on

679
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:15,520
Speaker 2: his shoulders about how players should be compensated and how

680
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:19,000
Speaker 2: contracts should protect players, he's off to the NFL, This

681
00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:22,480
Speaker 2: inside linebacker, this whatever whoever like assumes some kind of

682
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:28,160
Speaker 2: leadership position. You're asking for these minds from nineteen year olds,

683
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:32,200
Speaker 2: twenty year olds, which isn't necessarily fair. And so how

684
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:35,960
Speaker 2: do you find that person who exclusively has the best

685
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:41,680
Speaker 2: interests of you know his constituents in mind, when his

686
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Speaker 2: constituents basically change every two weeks.

687
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Speaker 1: Every two weeks, Yeah, yep.

688
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:50,319
Speaker 2: I think it would be nice to standardize. I'm not

689
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:52,960
Speaker 2: saying to put a salary cap on or anything like that.

690
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:58,759
Speaker 2: I'm saying it's nice to standardize expectations, punishments, eligibilities if

691
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:01,120
Speaker 2: the NCAA can enforce if they don't have, you know,

692
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:06,920
Speaker 2: congressional umbrellas to help things along. I don't know. I

693
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:08,920
Speaker 2: think you need to get more things down on paper.

694
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:14,040
Speaker 2: And it sounds boring, but I think the sport is

695
00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:16,640
Speaker 2: craving a lot more consistency than it has right now.

696
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:19,560
Speaker 2: And I don't know. I think you need to be

697
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:22,920
Speaker 2: player forward, but at the same time maintaining organization. I

698
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:25,560
Speaker 2: know this all sounds vague, but well, it has to

699
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:27,640
Speaker 2: be vague. It kind of has to be vague.

700
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:29,840
Speaker 1: It has to be vague because nobody has an answer.

701
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:32,040
Speaker 1: I mean, there are a number of ideas out there,

702
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:36,719
Speaker 1: but nobody has the one specific, silver bullet of an

703
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:38,840
Speaker 1: answer that's going to fix all of this stuff. But

704
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:42,160
Speaker 1: I just think the point stands. We're talking billions with

705
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:45,399
Speaker 1: a b right of dollars that are being pumped into

706
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:49,319
Speaker 1: the sport right now, the fan base is growing year

707
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:55,279
Speaker 1: over year. College football has definitely entered into and continues

708
00:37:55,320 --> 00:38:00,400
Speaker 1: on in this moment of real growth. And that stends

709
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:02,680
Speaker 1: to not just the fan base, but just the money

710
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:05,319
Speaker 1: side of it as well. The money isn't really going

711
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:08,720
Speaker 1: away anytime soon. Anytime you're talking about that much money,

712
00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:11,880
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. You need to standardize a little bit. We

713
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:15,640
Speaker 1: need something that sort of puts the toothpaste back in

714
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:20,600
Speaker 1: the too, not necessarily to the extent that has been proposed,

715
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Speaker 1: let's say, on the federal level, because there are some

716
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:26,120
Speaker 1: things you can undo and other things you cannot. But

717
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:29,320
Speaker 1: I do think there is a real need and desire

718
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:34,160
Speaker 1: at this point for some guardrails here. I agree Kyle

719
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:38,520
Speaker 1: wants to know who is your favorite big back of

720
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:40,680
Speaker 1: all time? A big back?

721
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Speaker 2: Well, there's you could answer this saying like who's my

722
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:47,759
Speaker 2: personal favorite to watch? And then like who is the

723
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:49,520
Speaker 2: quinn essential big back?

724
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Speaker 1: Right?

725
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:53,920
Speaker 2: So I would say if you were to say, like

726
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Speaker 2: who what is what is the the body and face

727
00:38:57,280 --> 00:39:04,000
Speaker 2: and career of the quinnisdential large running back? Yeah, my

728
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:06,160
Speaker 2: my immediate gut, says Jerome Bettis.

729
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:09,480
Speaker 1: Jerome Bettis is the answer. Number six, He's the answer.

730
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Speaker 2: He played at a very visible college, was deep in

731
00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:18,759
Speaker 2: the playoffs in the NFL, had a nickname of a

732
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:21,320
Speaker 2: large vehicle, the bus.

733
00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:24,799
Speaker 1: The bus. I have his where's my helmet? Over here

734
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:26,640
Speaker 1: over on this side of me, I have I have

735
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:27,960
Speaker 1: Jerome Bettis autograph from that.

736
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:30,560
Speaker 2: Likable dude with a with a like a big smile,

737
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:35,120
Speaker 2: marketable dude right in commercials and finished out his career

738
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:44,560
Speaker 2: as the fantasy football vulture touchdown vulture that benefited millions

739
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:48,200
Speaker 2: of people who played fantasy football who love to see

740
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:55,080
Speaker 2: six carries for eleven yards and three touchdowns in a

741
00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:58,040
Speaker 2: in a single game box score. That to me is, uh,

742
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:02,440
Speaker 2: there's been you know, NFL guys, college guys over the years. Right,

743
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:05,800
Speaker 2: you have the run of Michigan in Wisconsin, Iowa running backs,

744
00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:09,080
Speaker 2: you know, your big neck rolls, your your Mike Alstott's,

745
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:12,800
Speaker 2: you know guys like that. For sure. I treasure every

746
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:17,680
Speaker 2: single memory of But man, large running backs. I mean

747
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:19,879
Speaker 2: there's modern era and you have like the guys who

748
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:22,000
Speaker 2: come over from the defensive line for goal line stuff

749
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Speaker 2: and that's always super fun.

750
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Speaker 1: But man, what about Rondne?

751
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:30,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, if your answer is Ron Dane, I don't have

752
00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:33,160
Speaker 2: an argument against you other than Jerome Bettis did on

753
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:33,800
Speaker 2: two levels.

754
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:35,600
Speaker 1: No, I mean in a way that Rondaine did not.

755
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:38,879
Speaker 1: Jerome Bettis is the answer, let's be clear. But Ron

756
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:40,520
Speaker 1: Daine's another one that came to mind.

757
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:44,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you will get guys who have three year runs,

758
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:49,279
Speaker 2: no pun intended, your your Brandon's jacobs, right, he was

759
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:52,480
Speaker 2: up like at least two sixty right, Oh, he was

760
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:55,960
Speaker 2: a house. And you have your your like thunder lightning

761
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:59,239
Speaker 2: combos which make it you know, it's it's seasoning the

762
00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:02,080
Speaker 2: backfield because they look so much bigger standing next to

763
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:04,960
Speaker 2: somebody smaller, you know, shuttle, you know, having the Lendale

764
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:08,640
Speaker 2: White Reggie Bush era, You're like, okay, that underscores how

765
00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:11,120
Speaker 2: much of a brutal runner Lendale White was in a

766
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:14,080
Speaker 2: great way because he was paired with Reggie Bush and

767
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:17,160
Speaker 2: so that's always fun. And it was all stock with

768
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:20,200
Speaker 2: Warwick done right with the bucks correct, so that you know,

769
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:22,520
Speaker 2: that makes work done look smaller and shiftier, and that

770
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:25,919
Speaker 2: makes all stock look bigger and more bruising. And we've

771
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:28,480
Speaker 2: had that at you know, multiple levels, multiple huge schools.

772
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:33,200
Speaker 2: The thunder lightning thing I I'm trying of the like

773
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:36,120
Speaker 2: last forty years something like that. I think it's Bettest,

774
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:37,200
Speaker 2: You think it's Bettest.

775
00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:39,560
Speaker 1: It's funny that we both came to the same conclusion,

776
00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:41,399
Speaker 1: and it was the very first thought that I had.

777
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:44,240
Speaker 2: I mean, you're a Notre Dame fan, but even.

778
00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:46,279
Speaker 1: Still I was I was trying to zoom out, like,

779
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:47,560
Speaker 1: am I being biased here?

780
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:48,359
Speaker 2: Right?

781
00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:50,760
Speaker 1: The answer is Bettest, The only answer is Bettest.

782
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:53,680
Speaker 2: But we've had We've had some classics over the years,

783
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:55,200
Speaker 2: all right, I've had like the bit you know, the

784
00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:57,600
Speaker 2: your Toby's Gerharts. I love doing the plural.

785
00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:00,720
Speaker 1: Toby Garhart's a good one. Derrick Henry was he's a monster.

786
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:02,880
Speaker 2: Derrick Henry almost doesn't count.

787
00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:04,920
Speaker 1: He's a little bit too athletic.

788
00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:08,839
Speaker 2: He's too much of a superhero. Like I understand. He

789
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:11,680
Speaker 2: has the height and weight, but when you look at him,

790
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:15,920
Speaker 2: you don't think big back, you think Hulk smash, right,

791
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:20,080
Speaker 2: there is something more impressive about his presence. We're like,

792
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:22,239
Speaker 2: but he was also running like a four to four

793
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:27,240
Speaker 2: at that size, and Jerome Bettis didn't do ten yards

794
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:29,720
Speaker 2: at four to four by the end of his career.

795
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:35,240
Speaker 2: And I have to have a little bit of slow

796
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:38,520
Speaker 2: movement to my big backs. I want brutal, but he

797
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:40,960
Speaker 2: can't be too fast. Derek Henry's almost too good to

798
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 2: be considered a big beat, right.

799
00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:45,760
Speaker 1: There's such thing as a one cut back, right like Henry.

800
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:48,040
Speaker 1: There is such thing as a no cut back like

801
00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:52,839
Speaker 1: bet Is, who just ran straight. That was his game.

802
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:54,960
Speaker 2: But he was very good at it, very good at it.

803
00:42:55,440 --> 00:43:00,520
Speaker 2: Honorable mention just because he was both ex as a

804
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:04,480
Speaker 2: college player, briefly excellent as a pro, and then had

805
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:08,440
Speaker 2: weird fat shaming rumors, which I think is part of

806
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:12,319
Speaker 2: the full large back experience. Eddie Lacy, I think for

807
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:16,480
Speaker 2: me should be included because once again, that was Eddie

808
00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:21,319
Speaker 2: Lacy on the twenty twelve National Championship Alabama team right

809
00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:24,279
Speaker 2: against Notre Dame. I believe Zamari Cooper out wide and

810
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:28,799
Speaker 2: Eddie Lacy in the backfield, so of the modern era

811
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:31,160
Speaker 2: big like, and you have your Andre Williams at BC

812
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:33,799
Speaker 2: like you have big successful backs in the modern era.

813
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:40,080
Speaker 2: Eddie Lacy deserves to be a part of this party here.

814
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:47,000
Speaker 1: Dan Klobacar writes in Okay, what college football documentaries haven't

815
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:50,040
Speaker 1: you seen yet that you want to and what stories

816
00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:54,520
Speaker 1: would make compelling docs in and of themselves. I don't

817
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:56,279
Speaker 1: have an answer for what I'd like to see. I

818
00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:59,080
Speaker 1: feel like i've seen them all at this point. I

819
00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:00,440
Speaker 1: can tell you the story I want to make in

820
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:03,480
Speaker 1: twenty years. Okay, maybe if we're still friends, we can

821
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:06,799
Speaker 1: do it together. In twenty years, I want to make

822
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:10,880
Speaker 1: the documentary on college football tampering in the early portal era. Okay,

823
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:13,520
Speaker 1: that's the documentary I want to need I want to make.

824
00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:16,160
Speaker 1: You need to give it enough time so that nobody's

825
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:19,000
Speaker 1: going to get in trouble. And so it's like no

826
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:23,040
Speaker 1: longer taboo to talk about these things. But I'm talking

827
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:29,280
Speaker 1: a Pete Nakost probably at that point in his early thirties,

828
00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:34,319
Speaker 1: whenever whoever is available to talk about this. It is

829
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:39,280
Speaker 1: the slimiest thing in sports right now, certainly in college athletics. Sure,

830
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:42,560
Speaker 1: tampering that goes on with respect to the portal and

831
00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:45,800
Speaker 1: nil and the intersection between the two. And someone needs

832
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:48,080
Speaker 1: to make that doc. And I'm volunteering myself to do it.

833
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:50,160
Speaker 2: Oh tie, how nice of you.

834
00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:52,880
Speaker 1: I know, the good grace of my heart, I volunteer

835
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:53,279
Speaker 1: to make that.

836
00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:57,080
Speaker 2: Okay. So, in terms of the documentaries, I haven't seen.

837
00:44:57,120 --> 00:44:59,240
Speaker 2: I'd like to watch some you know, the Junction Boys,

838
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:03,600
Speaker 2: the Old Bear Bryant running Texas A and M players

839
00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:07,560
Speaker 2: into the ground as likely a bad human not giving

840
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:10,840
Speaker 2: them water and go six am to eleven pm workouts.

841
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:13,520
Speaker 2: Stuff like that. I'd like to watch the more historical stuff.

842
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:18,719
Speaker 2: I always appreciate geography documentaries in that.

843
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:19,480
Speaker 1: Like.

844
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:25,040
Speaker 2: The Tidewater region of Virginia, right, like the history of

845
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:28,759
Speaker 2: the players who come out of a certain area, right that,

846
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:31,600
Speaker 2: you know, the players or coaches right they have Like

847
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:34,120
Speaker 2: the weird New Hampshire Cradle of Coaches with Dan Mullen,

848
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:38,239
Speaker 2: Chip Kelly and Ryan Day. Stuff like that where you like,

849
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:41,000
Speaker 2: what is the culture of this place that produced so

850
00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:46,120
Speaker 2: many different people that is disproportionate till the actual population.

851
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:49,879
Speaker 2: I had friends who did a documentary about Pahokey, which

852
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:53,320
Speaker 2: is an area of Florida, Florida where a number of

853
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:57,480
Speaker 2: NFL players came from a very poor area but disproportionately

854
00:45:57,520 --> 00:46:00,319
Speaker 2: has produced a ton of NFL caliber players, you know,

855
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:02,320
Speaker 2: and Kwon Bolden was one of the huge ones there.

856
00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:06,840
Speaker 2: So I always appreciate places because you can tell the

857
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:10,240
Speaker 2: story of people and culture in an interesting way, especially

858
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:13,200
Speaker 2: as it relates to college football. I've watched a lot

859
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:15,680
Speaker 2: of the more recent one like the thirty for thirty types,

860
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:21,440
Speaker 2: Pony Express, and the You and those are always good. Honestly,

861
00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:23,440
Speaker 2: the people I don't like listen to this show or

862
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:25,560
Speaker 2: watch this show or anything like, but I've seen clips

863
00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:29,000
Speaker 2: on social media. It seems like Taylor the One and

864
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:31,919
Speaker 2: Will Compton who busting with the boys, that's what it's called.

865
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:35,520
Speaker 2: They always ask their bigger guests like the story of

866
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Speaker 2: their recruitment. You could string together all of those clips

867
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Speaker 2: into the most watchable documentary ever where, Like Luke Keekley

868
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Speaker 2: is telling the story of playing at Saint Xavier's I

869
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Speaker 2: think it's where he went to school in Cincinnati and

870
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Speaker 2: being recruited by BC because nobody else was, like there

871
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Speaker 2: was like a pipeline from Catholic schools in Ohio to

872
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Speaker 2: b C. That kind of thing. I always appreciate hearing

873
00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:02,760
Speaker 2: those stories after the fact, especially when NFL players retire

874
00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:06,920
Speaker 2: and they just storytime with those guys about recruiting. So

875
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:09,680
Speaker 2: that's always interesting to me. What we're going to see

876
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Speaker 2: eventually is as we distance ourselves and you mentioned nil

877
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Speaker 2: portal and tampering stuff, like we're eventually going to see

878
00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:22,239
Speaker 2: a documentary about the twenty nineteen LSU team and the

879
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:25,279
Speaker 2: enormous personalities on that team, it's not going to make

880
00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:27,880
Speaker 2: sense to do for another ten years or so exactly.

881
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:29,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, you need to let some time pass before he

882
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Speaker 1: can go there.

883
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:32,960
Speaker 2: But I always like and I'm I'm just not going

884
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Speaker 2: to watch anything done by conference networks. So if, like

885
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:39,799
Speaker 2: the SEC network does a twenty nineteen LSU documentary, I

886
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:41,560
Speaker 2: might watch it, but like, oh, this isn't as good

887
00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:43,879
Speaker 2: as it could have been. You needn't have a professional

888
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:47,799
Speaker 2: like storyteller do it, or an unbiased storyteller do it.

889
00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:53,840
Speaker 2: So I always appreciate the looks at specifically historically significant teams.

890
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:55,640
Speaker 2: We've had a bunch of the USC ones. I'm reading

891
00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:58,279
Speaker 2: that new USC book by the way, I think it's

892
00:47:58,320 --> 00:48:00,799
Speaker 2: Monty Burke, Men of Troy. I always appreciate that kind

893
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:03,719
Speaker 2: of stuff, sort of the deep dives long after the

894
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:06,520
Speaker 2: fact and stories of recruitment that are finally told and

895
00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:09,680
Speaker 2: behind the scenes stuff. So we've had teams like that

896
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:13,880
Speaker 2: over the years, dynastic teams, disastrous teams like you hear

897
00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:16,440
Speaker 2: the stories about like Bobby Patrino, teams that might be

898
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:21,879
Speaker 2: like a mini documentary about Louisville era Bobby Patrino Part one.

899
00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:26,480
Speaker 2: But yeah, that I'm always into the the like season

900
00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:33,360
Speaker 2: specific documentaries, probably doesn't deserve the eight part Michael Jordan treatment.

901
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:36,520
Speaker 2: But what are we getting now? We're getting Nick Saban

902
00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:40,160
Speaker 2: producing his own documentary. Great, I'm sure it's gonna be

903
00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:45,440
Speaker 2: so awesome. But if we had somebody cool doing a

904
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Speaker 2: Nick Saban documentary, then it would be must watch TV.

905
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Speaker 1: All right, do you have that's my answer? Do you

906
00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:54,759
Speaker 1: have any of these other questions here that set out

907
00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:57,520
Speaker 1: a particularly strong answer too? Because we have a bunch.

908
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Speaker 1: Anything we don't get to today we'll try to incorporate

909
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Speaker 1: as part of our Thursday bonus pod. What stands out?

910
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Speaker 1: Are there any other ones on here that really were.

911
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:11,680
Speaker 2: I'll go through these quickly. Which college football quarterback and

912
00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:14,719
Speaker 2: receiver combo would make the best figure skating pair? I don't.

913
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Speaker 2: I'm opening this up to historical Okay, I did a little.

914
00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:20,920
Speaker 2: I did a medium dive on this. You probably need

915
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:21,759
Speaker 2: a smaller.

916
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:24,040
Speaker 1: Receiver near sport to be got to be some sort

917
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Speaker 1: of like jitterbug. That's the person who gets thrown right right.

918
00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:30,799
Speaker 2: So well, now, and there are some instances where the

919
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Speaker 2: quarterback is smaller than like Mike Evans and Johnny Manziel

920
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:38,399
Speaker 2: All right, the quarterback smaller than the receiver, and.

921
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:42,040
Speaker 1: Manzelle was he definitely had some twinkle toes, which I think.

922
00:49:42,040 --> 00:49:46,640
Speaker 1: Of course, agility is very key if we're talking about

923
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Speaker 1: figure skating and a pair, Yes, need that you have

924
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Speaker 1: quick feet.

925
00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:53,200
Speaker 2: We've had some great tiny receivers over the years. You're

926
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Speaker 2: trend in holiday types. Recently we had bon Nix and

927
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Speaker 2: Tes Johnson who have like the family connection. Yes, right,

928
00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:03,200
Speaker 2: Tes john very small could be thrown pretty easily in

929
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Speaker 2: the news for all the wrong reasons at the moment.

930
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Speaker 2: I don't know if you've seen any of that.

931
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Speaker 1: I've seen some of it.

932
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Speaker 2: Yeah, oh man, I can't do that. I kind of

933
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Speaker 2: like the uh, the two smaller guys together that they're interchangeable,

934
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Speaker 2: like a Stetson Bennett Ladd Maconki pairing. Yeah, I wouldn't

935
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Speaker 2: hate that.

936
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Speaker 1: I was thinking, and this is going back I guess

937
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Speaker 1: two years now. But yeah, what about like a Noah

938
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Speaker 1: Fafita T Mac T Mac connection.

939
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Speaker 2: No Fafita is also smaller than t Mac.

940
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Speaker 1: That's right. I think he's under six foot not necessarily

941
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Speaker 1: fleet of foot in the sense that he's a crazy

942
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Speaker 1: mobile quarterback. But you know, t Mac is just a monster,

943
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Speaker 1: and so I feel like and there's also like a

944
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Speaker 1: high school connection there, right, which is sort of the

945
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Speaker 1: unspoken bond you need if you're going to be a

946
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Speaker 1: strong finger skating pair, you need to have that sort

947
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Speaker 1: of nonverbal communication down Pat, which I feel like those

948
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Speaker 1: guys probably had, right.

949
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Speaker 2: I think that's right. DeVante Smith was very slight, especially

950
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Speaker 2: when he got to Alabama. Oh yeah, it doesn't answer

951
00:51:12,560 --> 00:51:16,960
Speaker 2: the specific question, but like Pat White, Steve Slayton, they's

952
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:20,200
Speaker 2: just the legendary chemistry there. He's running back, not a receiver,

953
00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:23,759
Speaker 2: So somebody like that I wouldn't hate. I don't know

954
00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:25,759
Speaker 2: anything about figure skating. I don't know anything about figure

955
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:28,480
Speaker 2: skating roles. I don't know anything about the sport of

956
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:30,600
Speaker 2: it other than I watched it on TV every four years,

957
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:34,400
Speaker 2: So that's all I really have. What if this is

958
00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:37,200
Speaker 2: from Jay Meyer? What if any personal foul resulted in

959
00:51:37,239 --> 00:51:39,600
Speaker 2: an ice hockey style power play for the next three

960
00:51:39,640 --> 00:51:41,200
Speaker 2: downs instead of penalty yards.

961
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Speaker 1: I kind of love this. I love this idea is

962
00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:45,000
Speaker 1: I kind of love it is the best idea I've

963
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:45,600
Speaker 1: ever heard.

964
00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:49,000
Speaker 2: I kind of love the idea of not suspending a

965
00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:52,520
Speaker 2: targeting penalty for the following week, which I know is

966
00:51:52,520 --> 00:51:59,040
Speaker 2: now under consideration. The idea of having a ten man

967
00:51:59,239 --> 00:52:02,800
Speaker 2: defensive plan on all three levels. If we're down a

968
00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:05,040
Speaker 2: defensive lineman, if we're down a linebacker, if we're down

969
00:52:05,080 --> 00:52:07,560
Speaker 2: a defensive back, that you have to have a ten

970
00:52:07,719 --> 00:52:09,720
Speaker 2: man plan. This is three plays.

971
00:52:09,719 --> 00:52:11,399
Speaker 1: This is a brilliant idea. I love it.

972
00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:14,600
Speaker 2: I mean, you're going to drive defensive coordinators to an

973
00:52:14,600 --> 00:52:19,799
Speaker 2: early grave, sure, but I I'm kind of into it

974
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:24,000
Speaker 2: just because, look, penalty yards are very easy to keep

975
00:52:24,040 --> 00:52:26,600
Speaker 2: track of. Right you target, somebody gets a personal value.

976
00:52:26,600 --> 00:52:27,560
Speaker 1: Lose fifteen yards.

977
00:52:28,680 --> 00:52:32,240
Speaker 2: The idea that you could win a power play short,

978
00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:38,800
Speaker 2: a shorthanded power play in football with ten guys. You're like, yeah,

979
00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:42,239
Speaker 2: we forced three and out with ten dudes. I don't

980
00:52:42,239 --> 00:52:43,880
Speaker 2: know if you give them some kind of reward, but

981
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:47,319
Speaker 2: you keep track, you keep track of powerplay successes. So

982
00:52:48,200 --> 00:52:49,960
Speaker 2: I don't hate it. I don't mind it at all.

983
00:52:50,040 --> 00:52:52,839
Speaker 1: Penalty killing is a stat in the NHL, exactly right,

984
00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:54,240
Speaker 1: put it in college football.

985
00:52:54,280 --> 00:52:57,680
Speaker 2: I love it, but b blah blah bah okay. Quick

986
00:52:57,719 --> 00:53:01,839
Speaker 2: from and Capistan teams that could make the playoff next

987
00:53:01,880 --> 00:53:04,200
Speaker 2: season and win a game. Yeah, you had some thoughts

988
00:53:04,239 --> 00:53:07,800
Speaker 2: on this. Okay, this is tough. Boyse loses a bunch,

989
00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:10,319
Speaker 2: but they return Maddox Madson. I believe they're running back

990
00:53:10,360 --> 00:53:13,240
Speaker 2: as well. Their schedule is difficult. They open at Oregon.

991
00:53:14,040 --> 00:53:15,799
Speaker 2: I want to say they travel to Western Michigan, who

992
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:18,720
Speaker 2: won the MAC last season. I think they have Memphis

993
00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:22,120
Speaker 2: as well. Year one coach at Memphis. San Diego State

994
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:25,239
Speaker 2: is interesting. They need an offense. I don't think it's

995
00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:27,640
Speaker 2: coming out of the Sun Belt with you know, James

996
00:53:27,680 --> 00:53:33,800
Speaker 2: Madison starting over. I looked at primarily PAC twelve has Boise,

997
00:53:35,360 --> 00:53:38,560
Speaker 2: Mountain West has UNLV. If Jackson Nrold works out, and

998
00:53:38,560 --> 00:53:40,120
Speaker 2: I kind of feel like he's in the best possible

999
00:53:40,160 --> 00:53:44,640
Speaker 2: situation to work out with Dan Mullen at UNLV, they're interesting.

1000
00:53:44,719 --> 00:53:47,120
Speaker 2: But now North Dakota State is that added wrinkle to

1001
00:53:47,239 --> 00:53:51,280
Speaker 2: the Mountain West. They're replacing a quarterback. New Mexico returns

1002
00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:54,480
Speaker 2: their quarterback and Jack Lane, but he wasn't spectacular. But

1003
00:53:54,560 --> 00:53:57,120
Speaker 2: their schedule's pretty good. In the America, there's just so

1004
00:53:57,200 --> 00:54:02,040
Speaker 2: many teams that you know, Memphis is starting over, USF

1005
00:54:02,320 --> 00:54:05,000
Speaker 2: is starting over, and they're starting over without Byron Brown. Like,

1006
00:54:05,320 --> 00:54:08,800
Speaker 2: there's just the Americans are gonna be gonna be tricky,

1007
00:54:08,880 --> 00:54:13,239
Speaker 2: especially because Navy looks like the power right now. And

1008
00:54:13,640 --> 00:54:18,120
Speaker 2: unless Navy gets crazy lucky getting a team in the playoff.

1009
00:54:18,160 --> 00:54:20,640
Speaker 2: Let's say they make the playoff, they're gonna need a

1010
00:54:20,719 --> 00:54:26,160
Speaker 2: team that is excellent in every regard except run defense.

1011
00:54:27,160 --> 00:54:28,840
Speaker 2: So they need to need to get like a USC

1012
00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:33,360
Speaker 2: team who is somehow the five seed with no run defense,

1013
00:54:33,640 --> 00:54:36,560
Speaker 2: or like last year. I think Utah was like kind

1014
00:54:36,600 --> 00:54:40,440
Speaker 2: of excellent at everything but stopping the run. So I

1015
00:54:40,520 --> 00:54:42,440
Speaker 2: don't have that obvious team right now.

1016
00:54:42,760 --> 00:54:44,880
Speaker 1: No, I don't either. I struggled with that because I

1017
00:54:44,920 --> 00:54:45,960
Speaker 1: wanted to answer the question.

1018
00:54:46,239 --> 00:54:48,920
Speaker 2: But those are the teams that jumped out as right now.

1019
00:54:49,080 --> 00:54:53,400
Speaker 2: And I mentioned the Wazoo and Caden Pinnock thing that

1020
00:54:53,560 --> 00:54:56,400
Speaker 2: he could be an intriguing quarterback for Wazoo, but I

1021
00:54:56,600 --> 00:54:58,800
Speaker 2: just don't think. You know, they were another team that

1022
00:54:58,840 --> 00:55:00,839
Speaker 2: brought in like forty new trans with a new coach.

1023
00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:02,279
Speaker 2: So it's just too much new at a lot of

1024
00:55:02,320 --> 00:55:07,000
Speaker 2: these places. Unfortunately, I agree. Next question, why do college

1025
00:55:07,040 --> 00:55:10,040
Speaker 2: programs seem better at evaluating and developing quarterbacks than the NFL.

1026
00:55:10,160 --> 00:55:13,200
Speaker 2: Brandon wants to know, because the quarterbacks don't play against

1027
00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:14,760
Speaker 2: NFL defenses in college.

1028
00:55:15,640 --> 00:55:16,600
Speaker 1: That's what I wrote down.

1029
00:55:17,160 --> 00:55:19,040
Speaker 2: You got a lot of guys who are going to

1030
00:55:19,120 --> 00:55:22,080
Speaker 2: go on to internships. You will got a lot of

1031
00:55:22,080 --> 00:55:24,279
Speaker 2: guys who are going to go on to work for

1032
00:55:25,440 --> 00:55:27,920
Speaker 2: car dealerships, you know, stuff like that. You're just like,

1033
00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:31,359
Speaker 2: you're not playing against NFL corners or edge rushers.

1034
00:55:31,120 --> 00:55:33,080
Speaker 1: Or anything like that, and you could you can get

1035
00:55:33,120 --> 00:55:37,640
Speaker 1: away with quarterbacks who aren't perfect. Yeah, in college, and

1036
00:55:39,040 --> 00:55:41,239
Speaker 1: that's just not the case the NFL. Everybody is quick,

1037
00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:46,759
Speaker 1: everybody is a little bit higher level with respect to

1038
00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:52,400
Speaker 1: the scheme yep, and understanding the game, and the margins

1039
00:55:52,520 --> 00:55:56,960
Speaker 1: are just ridiculously thin as opposed to the college game,

1040
00:55:57,160 --> 00:55:59,800
Speaker 1: where it depends on your conference, obviously depends on your opponent,

1041
00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:02,359
Speaker 1: pens of the players you have around you. Even though

1042
00:56:02,440 --> 00:56:04,279
Speaker 1: college football has changed, I think there is a little

1043
00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:06,680
Speaker 1: bit more parody. You can still go really far if

1044
00:56:06,719 --> 00:56:08,719
Speaker 1: you have just a collection of like four or five

1045
00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:11,440
Speaker 1: really good players. And that's just not the case in

1046
00:56:11,480 --> 00:56:15,160
Speaker 1: the NFL. It's just a lot more homogeneous across the board.

1047
00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:19,120
Speaker 1: Any unique quarterbacks that are are going to be near perfect,

1048
00:56:19,520 --> 00:56:21,040
Speaker 1: which is why there are so few of them in

1049
00:56:21,040 --> 00:56:24,560
Speaker 1: the NFL that actually succeed right. So it's just different.

1050
00:56:24,920 --> 00:56:27,359
Speaker 1: It's just different. I personally, that's why I like college

1051
00:56:27,360 --> 00:56:30,840
Speaker 1: football more because we have that disparity.

1052
00:56:31,040 --> 00:56:34,680
Speaker 2: Final question from Henry ty Power, rank your ex girlfriends

1053
00:56:35,080 --> 00:56:37,560
Speaker 2: in detail? There is no Henry on here you met

1054
00:56:38,080 --> 00:56:40,239
Speaker 2: that's appropriate? I don't but like Tye the questions out

1055
00:56:40,280 --> 00:56:44,319
Speaker 2: there now, you made that up. No, I think that's

1056
00:56:44,360 --> 00:56:45,839
Speaker 2: sort of it. Is there any other questions you want

1057
00:56:45,880 --> 00:56:47,440
Speaker 2: to get to No, I.

1058
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Speaker 1: Want to thank them for baller Hood for sending in

1059
00:56:49,440 --> 00:56:51,719
Speaker 1: these questions. We had a bunch of really really good ones.

1060
00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:53,279
Speaker 1: We still have some on the list. We'll do our

1061
00:56:53,280 --> 00:56:55,920
Speaker 1: best to address some of those on the Thursday bonus

1062
00:56:56,000 --> 00:56:59,080
Speaker 1: podcast that you can find out at Verballers dot com.

1063
00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:01,200
Speaker 1: While you're there, if you want to sign up, it

1064
00:57:01,280 --> 00:57:03,160
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1065
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1066
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1067
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1068
00:57:10,560 --> 00:57:14,279
Speaker 1: post out there whenever we're looking for feedback stuff of

1069
00:57:14,640 --> 00:57:17,320
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1070
00:57:17,480 --> 00:57:20,080
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1071
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Speaker 1: We have tried to do one of these per month

1072
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Speaker 1: through the offseason. Four gosh, I don't know, last five

1073
00:57:26,400 --> 00:57:28,280
Speaker 1: years something like that. We've been doing a lot of

1074
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Speaker 1: Q and A here in the offseason.

1075
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Speaker 2: And once again, you do not have thoughts on episode

1076
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Speaker 2: two of DTF Saint Louis.

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Speaker 1: I do not know. I'll have to go back and

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Speaker 1: watch and be a little bit more specific in my feedback,

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Speaker 1: but now I have.

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Speaker 2: I don't think it's a it's a great show. I

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Speaker 2: think the trailer entitle hooked me, and that that Bateman's

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Speaker 2: in it. There's a couple of like a plus gags,

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Speaker 2: like it's kind of a dark comedy and it's it's

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Speaker 2: a it's a very messy show at the same time

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Speaker 2: with like serious themes, but there's a couple of gags

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Speaker 2: that are a plus.

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Speaker 1: All right, I mean, I'll check it out. I just

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Speaker 1: it's so.

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Speaker 2: It's it's a very serious, dark show. But man, I

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Speaker 2: was not expecting the direction it went in. That's all.

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Speaker 1: Why don't we leave it there? Thank you to want

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Speaker 1: it all for downloading for listening. Hopefully the weather is

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Speaker 1: getting nicer in your vector wherever it is you find oh,

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Speaker 1: good usage. Thank you wherever it is that you find us.

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Speaker 1: Thank you again for your support. Enjoy the rest of

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Speaker 1: your weekend. Come on back next week. Talk more college

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Speaker 1: football for that guy over there, Dan, for myself tie

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Speaker 1: over here in eastern PA. We'll catch you all soon.

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Speaker 1: Stay solid, nice,