1 00:00:01,560 --> 00:00:06,520 Speaker 1: We're all still processing the events of July thirteenth, still 2 00:00:06,559 --> 00:00:11,600 Speaker 1: processing the attempted assassination of President Trump, the murder of 3 00:00:11,640 --> 00:00:14,760 Speaker 1: a man who was brave enough to throw his body 4 00:00:14,760 --> 00:00:17,400 Speaker 1: on his loved ones to shield them from death, the 5 00:00:17,400 --> 00:00:21,560 Speaker 1: shooting of two others. As we process this massively historical 6 00:00:21,720 --> 00:00:24,840 Speaker 1: moment that we saw and that we're currently in, how 7 00:00:24,880 --> 00:00:26,440 Speaker 1: does this reshape America? 8 00:00:26,800 --> 00:00:28,200 Speaker 2: How does this reshape the future. 9 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:30,880 Speaker 1: We're going to talk to my friend and colleague from 10 00:00:30,960 --> 00:00:33,279 Speaker 1: Fox News, Tammy Bruce, about this. 11 00:00:33,720 --> 00:00:35,400 Speaker 2: We'll also talk about what. 12 00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:37,240 Speaker 1: We've seen at the R and C where we've seen 13 00:00:37,800 --> 00:00:40,680 Speaker 1: former Democrats like Amber Rose take the stage and say 14 00:00:40,720 --> 00:00:43,200 Speaker 1: you know what, I have woken up from the Left's 15 00:00:43,240 --> 00:00:46,879 Speaker 1: lock on me. Or we've even seen the president of 16 00:00:46,920 --> 00:00:50,360 Speaker 1: the Teamsters take the stage as well. This realignment of 17 00:00:50,400 --> 00:00:54,360 Speaker 1: the Republican Party, this realignment in American politics, and that 18 00:00:54,440 --> 00:00:58,640 Speaker 1: also gets to her new book, Fear Itself, exposing the 19 00:00:58,720 --> 00:01:01,120 Speaker 1: Left's mind killing age, because she used to be on 20 00:01:01,160 --> 00:01:04,479 Speaker 1: the left and she had an awakening. She saw this 21 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:07,920 Speaker 1: mind virus, this mind killing agenda for what it was. 22 00:01:08,160 --> 00:01:11,480 Speaker 1: Well more people wake up as we head into this election, 23 00:01:11,680 --> 00:01:14,000 Speaker 1: a lot to talk about with my friend Tammy Bruce, 24 00:01:14,080 --> 00:01:21,119 Speaker 1: stay tuned, Tammy. 25 00:01:21,160 --> 00:01:22,520 Speaker 2: It's so great to have you on the show. 26 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:25,080 Speaker 1: You your friend, a colleague, and I'm so proud of 27 00:01:25,120 --> 00:01:26,880 Speaker 1: you with this book that we're going to talk about. 28 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:29,760 Speaker 1: But you know, also just to have you on during 29 00:01:29,800 --> 00:01:33,720 Speaker 1: such an important time and history and such an important 30 00:01:33,720 --> 00:01:35,920 Speaker 1: time with the news. So just looking forward to having 31 00:01:35,959 --> 00:01:37,240 Speaker 1: you on and hearing your insight. 32 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:39,360 Speaker 3: I'm looking forward to it because normally when I see you, 33 00:01:39,400 --> 00:01:43,240 Speaker 3: we have like a minute each to talk or it's 34 00:01:43,280 --> 00:01:45,720 Speaker 3: like you're next to me and there's no real, you know, 35 00:01:45,959 --> 00:01:49,880 Speaker 3: sense of exchange. So this is a preferred environment, and 36 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:52,720 Speaker 3: you're always doing a great job. So it's my pleasure. 37 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:53,480 Speaker 3: Thanks for asking me. 38 00:01:53,560 --> 00:01:55,920 Speaker 1: Yea, I promise you you won't have producers in your 39 00:01:55,920 --> 00:01:57,360 Speaker 1: ears telling you to wrap it up. 40 00:01:57,400 --> 00:01:58,920 Speaker 2: We have to go to commercial breaks. 41 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:00,680 Speaker 3: That's a good news. 42 00:02:00,800 --> 00:02:03,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, you can give all the time in the world. 43 00:02:03,720 --> 00:02:06,200 Speaker 1: I wanted to get your take first and foremost. Obviously 44 00:02:06,240 --> 00:02:10,400 Speaker 1: we're coming off the heels of history, right, an attempt 45 00:02:10,440 --> 00:02:14,360 Speaker 1: at assassination on a former president, which has only happened, 46 00:02:14,360 --> 00:02:16,200 Speaker 1: you know, handful of times in American history. 47 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:18,160 Speaker 2: You know, first of all, just what are your thoughts? 48 00:02:18,200 --> 00:02:20,720 Speaker 1: I mean, you've had some time to reflect since then, 49 00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:23,720 Speaker 1: what's on what's on your mind today about that? 50 00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:26,640 Speaker 3: You know, I think as we're just a little over 51 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:31,120 Speaker 3: a week from these events, and our timeline these days 52 00:02:31,160 --> 00:02:36,000 Speaker 3: moves so quickly because of technology. You know, we right now, 53 00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:39,800 Speaker 3: in a single day in our lives get more information 54 00:02:40,480 --> 00:02:43,239 Speaker 3: than somebody one hundred years ago would get in their lifetimes. 55 00:02:43,760 --> 00:02:47,440 Speaker 3: And so we we adapt, right, everything is very very fast. 56 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:49,840 Speaker 3: And my little joke in the beginning is, yes, we 57 00:02:49,880 --> 00:02:53,440 Speaker 3: talk about issues in a very short, quick frame of mind, 58 00:02:53,960 --> 00:02:57,280 Speaker 3: and so we've adapted to like holding on to a 59 00:02:57,360 --> 00:03:00,320 Speaker 3: roller coaster and you don't want to fall out, But 60 00:03:00,440 --> 00:03:03,280 Speaker 3: it doesn't give you a lot of time to reflect. 61 00:03:03,320 --> 00:03:08,040 Speaker 3: And I have to say, I'm still trying to. You know, 62 00:03:08,040 --> 00:03:11,040 Speaker 3: we're professionals. We have to absorb a lot of information 63 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:16,000 Speaker 3: and understand it. But it is still mind boggling literally 64 00:03:16,280 --> 00:03:20,160 Speaker 3: to think about the nature of what's occurred. But interestingly, 65 00:03:21,160 --> 00:03:24,440 Speaker 3: it's not surprising. A lot of people in the aftermath 66 00:03:24,480 --> 00:03:27,840 Speaker 3: of the assassination attempt noted that well, it was inevitable, 67 00:03:28,280 --> 00:03:30,919 Speaker 3: and most of us, certainly for the last several years 68 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:35,960 Speaker 3: through COVID, were aware that something was not right. That something, 69 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:40,160 Speaker 3: you know, we seem to be moving through, something that 70 00:03:40,200 --> 00:03:43,840 Speaker 3: we don't understand but we expect. And that's in large 71 00:03:43,880 --> 00:03:47,160 Speaker 3: part what my book's about. And it's been three years 72 00:03:47,200 --> 00:03:49,200 Speaker 3: I've been working on this book, you know, I mentioned 73 00:03:49,400 --> 00:03:53,440 Speaker 3: to you years ago, and because this is an enduring issue, 74 00:03:53,480 --> 00:03:57,040 Speaker 3: which is the issue of fear and its impact on us, 75 00:03:57,160 --> 00:04:02,880 Speaker 3: but mostly is how it's reponized against us, training us 76 00:04:02,920 --> 00:04:06,200 Speaker 3: in a way to retreat, to not look up, to 77 00:04:06,280 --> 00:04:09,320 Speaker 3: be afraid to engage. And that's of course a whole 78 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:12,960 Speaker 3: other aspect about the nature of what we're now experiencing. 79 00:04:14,440 --> 00:04:18,320 Speaker 3: So personally, I'm kind of maybe you are too, and 80 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:21,360 Speaker 3: others are, and your listeners and viewers are as well. 81 00:04:22,360 --> 00:04:24,719 Speaker 3: It's almost like I can think about it in little 82 00:04:24,760 --> 00:04:30,960 Speaker 3: bits because the concept of how dramatically the country and 83 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:35,080 Speaker 3: the world would have changed had the president not slightly 84 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:39,880 Speaker 3: turned his head at the right moment is shocking. So 85 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:43,600 Speaker 3: for me in the wake of the book now coming 86 00:04:43,640 --> 00:04:47,920 Speaker 3: out on July twenty third, that it's been a year's 87 00:04:47,960 --> 00:04:52,880 Speaker 3: long effort, but again an enduring dynamic where it's an 88 00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:56,480 Speaker 3: ancient technique that is being still applied to us, which 89 00:04:56,520 --> 00:05:00,599 Speaker 3: is the use of fear threats and intimidation to quell 90 00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:04,240 Speaker 3: the population so that you don't feel safe going to 91 00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:07,960 Speaker 3: a rally or speaking about issues, or going to a 92 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:11,400 Speaker 3: school board meeting to get involved in your kid's education. 93 00:05:12,080 --> 00:05:15,400 Speaker 3: That there is a price to pay, and it usually 94 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:18,400 Speaker 3: it tends to work. Look where human beings the mind 95 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:22,200 Speaker 3: is fragile, techniques or techniques for a reason, because they work. 96 00:05:22,839 --> 00:05:26,840 Speaker 3: For thousands of years, this has been used against populations 97 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:31,240 Speaker 3: around the world, and we're at a point now where 98 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:35,760 Speaker 3: we have frightening events and especially leading up to the 99 00:05:35,800 --> 00:05:41,440 Speaker 3: attempted assassination, the nature of almost a decade of apocalyptic 100 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:46,320 Speaker 3: rhetoric being used normally just against political opponents, but it 101 00:05:46,400 --> 00:05:50,200 Speaker 3: began to expand to the supporters, to average American voters 102 00:05:50,240 --> 00:05:53,719 Speaker 3: and people about how we were a danger to the country, 103 00:05:54,160 --> 00:05:59,600 Speaker 3: about how fascism and racism and systemic racism and all 104 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:02,760 Speaker 3: these other kind of threats to democracy and an end 105 00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:04,919 Speaker 3: of the world as we know it. None of that 106 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:08,040 Speaker 3: is true, Lisa, as we know all of that is 107 00:06:08,080 --> 00:06:13,320 Speaker 3: a lie, and yet it gets repeated by the authorities 108 00:06:13,440 --> 00:06:17,359 Speaker 3: in the country, the president himself, Joe Biden, leadership in 109 00:06:17,400 --> 00:06:21,200 Speaker 3: that party, the nature of the establishment. You know what 110 00:06:21,240 --> 00:06:25,719 Speaker 3: else is frightening is hearing news that the then newly 111 00:06:25,760 --> 00:06:29,480 Speaker 3: elected President Donald Trump in twenty sixteen seventeen was a 112 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:30,760 Speaker 3: Russian tody. 113 00:06:30,600 --> 00:06:31,160 Speaker 2: Oh, it was. 114 00:06:31,560 --> 00:06:34,839 Speaker 3: It was a spy for Russia. Well, Timmy, that's frightening 115 00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:35,280 Speaker 3: as well. 116 00:06:35,440 --> 00:06:35,640 Speaker 2: Well. 117 00:06:35,960 --> 00:06:39,000 Speaker 1: I wanted to dig in about something you said earlier. 118 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:42,600 Speaker 1: You mentioned with the intention of fear is obviously to 119 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:45,400 Speaker 1: change the way we behave as Americans. And I think 120 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:48,280 Speaker 1: when you said that, I had in my mind, you know, 121 00:06:48,320 --> 00:06:53,640 Speaker 1: the image of President Trump standing up immediately after being 122 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:55,800 Speaker 1: shot with his fist in the air, of the American 123 00:06:55,800 --> 00:06:59,160 Speaker 1: flag behind him, not backing down, not cowering, assuring the 124 00:06:59,240 --> 00:07:01,560 Speaker 1: nation that he is safe, that Americans are safe, and 125 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:04,040 Speaker 1: then also having the bravery and the courage to say, 126 00:07:04,040 --> 00:07:04,400 Speaker 1: you know what. 127 00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:07,240 Speaker 2: I'm going to the convention. I'm not changing, you. 128 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:09,640 Speaker 1: Know, like I'm not changed, right because because you had mentioned, 129 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:11,520 Speaker 1: you know, terrorists use that tactic, right that they want 130 00:07:11,560 --> 00:07:13,880 Speaker 1: you to be fearful of your everyday movements, of changing 131 00:07:13,880 --> 00:07:17,200 Speaker 1: the way you live. And but so it just you know, 132 00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:18,760 Speaker 1: as you mentioned that, it just made me think, this 133 00:07:18,840 --> 00:07:21,800 Speaker 1: man's just built different. You know, most people would be 134 00:07:21,880 --> 00:07:23,920 Speaker 1: afraid to keep to go to the convention to keep 135 00:07:23,960 --> 00:07:25,080 Speaker 1: living their life, but not him. 136 00:07:25,520 --> 00:07:28,320 Speaker 3: That is the perfect example, and why Trump is such 137 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:33,200 Speaker 3: a threat to the establishment is his behavior. Yes, his confidence, 138 00:07:33,640 --> 00:07:36,680 Speaker 3: the nature of being sure about what he wants to accomplish, 139 00:07:37,360 --> 00:07:39,640 Speaker 3: and he does it. We saw that in his first term. 140 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:43,280 Speaker 3: But that is a perfect example that as we look 141 00:07:43,400 --> 00:07:47,440 Speaker 3: to other people in our community about how should we 142 00:07:47,520 --> 00:07:51,720 Speaker 3: behave right? What's appropriate? Should I be afraid or maybe 143 00:07:51,760 --> 00:07:54,000 Speaker 3: I shouldn't be, or you know, it's all different for 144 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:56,160 Speaker 3: each one of us about you know, what battles we 145 00:07:56,200 --> 00:07:59,680 Speaker 3: can pick and choose. But that was the perfect illustration 146 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:02,520 Speaker 3: with the picture of him on the floor of the 147 00:08:02,560 --> 00:08:06,960 Speaker 3: stage looking down, the blood streaming down. In those moments, 148 00:08:07,080 --> 00:08:11,240 Speaker 3: we have to remember that he finally he realized he'd 149 00:08:11,280 --> 00:08:14,400 Speaker 3: been shot. None of us know what that's like. I 150 00:08:14,440 --> 00:08:17,160 Speaker 3: hope none of us do, and with your listening audience, 151 00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:21,520 Speaker 3: but it's it's shocking, and so he has a moment. 152 00:08:21,560 --> 00:08:24,080 Speaker 3: He has to gather himself, He has to get picked 153 00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:29,360 Speaker 3: up because the force to protect him, you know, picked 154 00:08:29,400 --> 00:08:31,840 Speaker 3: him up out of his own shoes. And the first 155 00:08:31,920 --> 00:08:35,120 Speaker 3: thing as he's standing, he realizes obviously he's alive, but 156 00:08:35,400 --> 00:08:38,040 Speaker 3: no one, none of us knew how seriously he was injured. 157 00:08:38,360 --> 00:08:40,880 Speaker 3: Let alone, he would not have known how. 158 00:08:40,760 --> 00:08:42,360 Speaker 2: Serious bullets are coming either. 159 00:08:42,800 --> 00:08:48,120 Speaker 3: More. Yeah, there's still shooting. And finally, after a dozen shots, screaming, 160 00:08:48,800 --> 00:08:51,719 Speaker 3: he gets picked up. He says, wait, let me get 161 00:08:51,720 --> 00:08:54,440 Speaker 3: my shoes. Let me get my shoes, and so he's 162 00:08:54,559 --> 00:08:58,480 Speaker 3: he's at least engaged, but he said something to it 163 00:08:58,520 --> 00:09:01,760 Speaker 3: was either Selena Zito or buy in York. That was. 164 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:05,120 Speaker 3: It still gives me chills when when I think of it, 165 00:09:05,160 --> 00:09:08,200 Speaker 3: he said. When I got up, and I'm paraphrasing here, 166 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:12,760 Speaker 3: and he looked out, he realized everyone was still there. 167 00:09:13,920 --> 00:09:18,360 Speaker 3: Now that's key. Now we saw the bleachers behind him clearly, 168 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:21,680 Speaker 3: and there was carnage. There was blood everywhere. Corey was 169 00:09:21,720 --> 00:09:24,840 Speaker 3: had been murdered at that point, two others seriously injured. 170 00:09:25,480 --> 00:09:27,960 Speaker 3: And yet while some people on the peripheryce. This is 171 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:33,160 Speaker 3: a forty forty to fifty thousand people group, and normally, 172 00:09:33,200 --> 00:09:35,720 Speaker 3: as we would expect, you'd think there would be this 173 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:39,840 Speaker 3: panicked rush to get out of this open field. But 174 00:09:39,920 --> 00:09:44,000 Speaker 3: he looked out, and he said in this interview that 175 00:09:44,240 --> 00:09:48,360 Speaker 3: I saw that everyone was still there, and I knew 176 00:09:48,440 --> 00:09:51,640 Speaker 3: that I had to show them that I was okay, 177 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:57,240 Speaker 3: and that they we had to continue the work. And 178 00:09:57,360 --> 00:09:59,800 Speaker 3: so that was my initial reaction with the fist going 179 00:09:59,880 --> 00:10:03,240 Speaker 3: up in the air, his instinct in the moment. But also, 180 00:10:03,280 --> 00:10:06,560 Speaker 3: and he didn't say this, but the nature of looking back, 181 00:10:06,800 --> 00:10:09,080 Speaker 3: here's a man who does not know how gravely he 182 00:10:09,160 --> 00:10:11,640 Speaker 3: is injured. Thank god it was not grave at all, 183 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:15,480 Speaker 3: but not knowing how gravely he was injured with a 184 00:10:15,520 --> 00:10:19,680 Speaker 3: crowd of fifty thousand people. He's in his seventies, he 185 00:10:19,800 --> 00:10:22,800 Speaker 3: is hurt, he's bruised from being pushed down to the ground, 186 00:10:23,480 --> 00:10:26,920 Speaker 3: and this might as well have been his last words 187 00:10:27,200 --> 00:10:30,360 Speaker 3: in public as far as he knew. And his choice 188 00:10:30,400 --> 00:10:34,720 Speaker 3: was to tell people to fight, fight, fight, But and 189 00:10:34,800 --> 00:10:39,120 Speaker 3: the context of immediately understanding that was don't give up, 190 00:10:39,960 --> 00:10:42,360 Speaker 3: just like as he just did. As you noted, he 191 00:10:42,480 --> 00:10:45,600 Speaker 3: got up, and he not only got up, but he 192 00:10:45,679 --> 00:10:48,880 Speaker 3: needed to tell people something I think he told Byron York. 193 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:51,640 Speaker 3: He wanted to keep speaking, but then he said, but 194 00:10:51,720 --> 00:10:53,760 Speaker 3: I realized, you know, I couldn't because I was shot. 195 00:10:55,600 --> 00:10:58,640 Speaker 3: That's a good reason to stop speaking, you know, classic Trump. 196 00:10:58,760 --> 00:11:00,720 Speaker 2: We'll accuse him on that one, and you know, yeah. 197 00:11:00,520 --> 00:11:05,000 Speaker 3: Well, but so that's where it becomes an interesting juxtaposition 198 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:08,960 Speaker 3: because in the aftermath people noted that there were no riots, 199 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:11,720 Speaker 3: no buildings were being burnt down, there was no raging 200 00:11:11,760 --> 00:11:14,760 Speaker 3: mobs moving through the street, because you know, we had 201 00:11:14,760 --> 00:11:18,480 Speaker 3: just experienced some maniac somehow being able to get close 202 00:11:18,600 --> 00:11:22,240 Speaker 3: enough and try to blow off Donald Trump's head in 203 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:28,200 Speaker 3: front of the world, and yet there was no social reaction, 204 00:11:28,960 --> 00:11:32,079 Speaker 3: and that crowd did not run for their own lives, 205 00:11:32,679 --> 00:11:35,000 Speaker 3: and they started instead after they heard from him to 206 00:11:35,080 --> 00:11:39,959 Speaker 3: chant Usa, Usa Usa. No one knew still if there 207 00:11:40,040 --> 00:11:43,440 Speaker 3: was more to come, if the if there was more 208 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:48,400 Speaker 3: than one shooter, but it was the I think generally 209 00:11:48,840 --> 00:11:52,160 Speaker 3: the nature of what Trump has asked of people and 210 00:11:52,280 --> 00:11:54,600 Speaker 3: what he was doing at that time, which was showing 211 00:11:54,640 --> 00:11:57,680 Speaker 3: that he would get back up, and that is the 212 00:11:58,080 --> 00:12:01,240 Speaker 3: certainly everyone was afraid. Goes back to the nature of 213 00:12:01,240 --> 00:12:04,839 Speaker 3: my book, which is that fear is important, but it's 214 00:12:04,880 --> 00:12:08,520 Speaker 3: meant to be transitory, and then you can use logic 215 00:12:08,600 --> 00:12:11,880 Speaker 3: and reason to make decisions about how you proceed. When 216 00:12:11,920 --> 00:12:15,240 Speaker 3: fear is weaponized as the left has done, there are 217 00:12:15,240 --> 00:12:19,040 Speaker 3: no perceived solutions. It is meant to feel never ending. 218 00:12:19,200 --> 00:12:22,600 Speaker 3: It is described as endless, that there's no solution. It's 219 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:28,000 Speaker 3: systemic and the fact that it's also envy is encouraged. 220 00:12:28,040 --> 00:12:30,760 Speaker 3: That you are being wronged and it will never be corrected. 221 00:12:31,760 --> 00:12:35,440 Speaker 3: This is not the message that bodes well for anyone's future, 222 00:12:36,040 --> 00:12:39,960 Speaker 3: and it is certainly not the message that conservatives tend 223 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:43,439 Speaker 3: to embrace, and it's not a Trump message. Trump's message 224 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:46,160 Speaker 3: is forward looking, we can do this, and his message 225 00:12:46,200 --> 00:12:50,160 Speaker 3: that day with his fight Fight Fight, was don't stop, 226 00:12:50,760 --> 00:12:54,400 Speaker 3: continue the work. And I think that that's why you 227 00:12:54,480 --> 00:12:59,200 Speaker 3: see such a different response. And my book encourages people 228 00:12:59,240 --> 00:13:02,600 Speaker 3: first to realize that the environment that we're living in 229 00:13:02,720 --> 00:13:07,280 Speaker 3: is artificial, that this constant, chronic fear is false, that 230 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:11,240 Speaker 3: it is not organic, and that it's very simple to 231 00:13:11,280 --> 00:13:15,000 Speaker 3: overcome it, as you saw everyone, fifty thousand people overcoming 232 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:18,120 Speaker 3: the fear, Trump overcoming the fear. Everyone at the convention 233 00:13:18,280 --> 00:13:21,920 Speaker 3: overcoming their fear, because you've got to live your life. 234 00:13:22,400 --> 00:13:27,280 Speaker 3: But it's about clicking in with your conscious, disciplined mind 235 00:13:27,880 --> 00:13:31,480 Speaker 3: and not being manipulated and knowing that our actions matter. 236 00:13:31,800 --> 00:13:32,960 Speaker 2: We've got more of Tammy. 237 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:39,240 Speaker 1: But first, you used to be on the left and 238 00:13:39,040 --> 00:13:41,200 Speaker 1: so and what you've saw, you know with the convention, 239 00:13:41,360 --> 00:13:44,720 Speaker 1: you know, Amber Rosebeak, we saw the teamster's president'speak. I mean, 240 00:13:44,800 --> 00:13:47,280 Speaker 1: we really have seen a convention that sort of supersedes 241 00:13:47,760 --> 00:13:51,280 Speaker 1: Red versus Blue. You know, how were you able to 242 00:13:51,400 --> 00:13:54,600 Speaker 1: break free from the left's mind killing agendas? You write 243 00:13:54,600 --> 00:13:56,680 Speaker 1: in your book you know, how are you all to 244 00:13:56,679 --> 00:14:00,719 Speaker 1: break free? And do you foresee more democrats waking up 245 00:14:00,760 --> 00:14:04,080 Speaker 1: to what you woke up to and changing their mind 246 00:14:04,120 --> 00:14:05,920 Speaker 1: and changing their perspective breaking from it this year? 247 00:14:06,080 --> 00:14:10,000 Speaker 3: As you mentioned, Yeah, that mind killing phrase is actually 248 00:14:10,040 --> 00:14:13,880 Speaker 3: from Herbert's Done, which most young people now know of 249 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:17,760 Speaker 3: through the films. But that's a story about the issue 250 00:14:17,800 --> 00:14:21,680 Speaker 3: of you know, coming it to yourself, not being afraid 251 00:14:21,720 --> 00:14:26,160 Speaker 3: of an overwhelming governing force that is after you. These 252 00:14:26,200 --> 00:14:30,640 Speaker 3: are similar themes from the Bible on out right through 253 00:14:30,920 --> 00:14:35,360 Speaker 3: Shakespeare's work is really about the Bible in many different ways, 254 00:14:35,480 --> 00:14:39,200 Speaker 3: but it's the oldest story in humanity, is the nature 255 00:14:39,200 --> 00:14:42,720 Speaker 3: of how can we be ourselves in the midst of 256 00:14:42,760 --> 00:14:46,640 Speaker 3: this world we live in? For me, it was psychotherapy. 257 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:50,120 Speaker 3: I was on the left, and always I was seeing 258 00:14:50,160 --> 00:14:53,360 Speaker 3: a therapist and one fashion or another to try to 259 00:14:53,480 --> 00:14:55,760 Speaker 3: because I noticed, and I've written about this in my 260 00:14:55,800 --> 00:14:58,640 Speaker 3: previous books, that I was doing what I was doing 261 00:14:58,680 --> 00:15:01,600 Speaker 3: to try to help and organ ourselves out of existence, 262 00:15:02,280 --> 00:15:05,480 Speaker 3: and realizing that, in fact, and told directly by some 263 00:15:05,560 --> 00:15:08,320 Speaker 3: and the feminists, some leaders in the feminist movement, that 264 00:15:08,320 --> 00:15:11,120 Speaker 3: that was not in our best interest, that we had to, 265 00:15:11,240 --> 00:15:14,080 Speaker 3: as they say, rubsalt into the wound, just to make 266 00:15:14,120 --> 00:15:17,040 Speaker 3: sure that we always existed, so that we'd be here 267 00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:20,400 Speaker 3: when we were needed. And I realized then that it 268 00:15:20,480 --> 00:15:24,320 Speaker 3: was a scam, that this was not not what I wanted. 269 00:15:25,080 --> 00:15:30,200 Speaker 3: And I think that it's the psychological awareness of being 270 00:15:30,200 --> 00:15:32,880 Speaker 3: able to, you know, look, the left praise on the damaged, 271 00:15:33,400 --> 00:15:36,560 Speaker 3: and my early experience in life caused damage. It's not 272 00:15:36,680 --> 00:15:39,480 Speaker 3: a surprise that I went to the left. The difference 273 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:42,480 Speaker 3: is and like the people you've mentioned, there's something that 274 00:15:42,560 --> 00:15:45,160 Speaker 3: happens in our lives that makes us, for a moment 275 00:15:45,400 --> 00:15:49,080 Speaker 3: even look up and say, wait a minute. And what's 276 00:15:49,120 --> 00:15:52,840 Speaker 3: important especially for the conservative world, but for Americans in general. 277 00:15:53,320 --> 00:15:56,720 Speaker 3: Because I've seen people worried about the Union guy and 278 00:15:56,800 --> 00:15:59,960 Speaker 3: Amber Rose being there because they're you know, not Christian 279 00:16:00,400 --> 00:16:03,360 Speaker 3: or not something else. It's like, wait a minute, this 280 00:16:03,520 --> 00:16:08,040 Speaker 3: is about humanity, and aren't we here specifically so that 281 00:16:08,120 --> 00:16:11,560 Speaker 3: when someone who'd been trapped looks up, we're here with 282 00:16:11,680 --> 00:16:15,960 Speaker 3: open arms. Isn't that the Christian message? And I believe 283 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:19,120 Speaker 3: in God. I don't like organized religion, But isn't that 284 00:16:19,200 --> 00:16:22,920 Speaker 3: the Christian ideal, which is the fact that none of 285 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:26,440 Speaker 3: us are perfect, all of us are seeking redemption. And 286 00:16:26,560 --> 00:16:29,080 Speaker 3: I still to this day am doing just that, trying 287 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:31,920 Speaker 3: to make up for the earlier work I'd done. But 288 00:16:32,040 --> 00:16:36,120 Speaker 3: the experience, as I've seen and written about here specifically, 289 00:16:36,160 --> 00:16:39,760 Speaker 3: even personal experiences that I had in one case with 290 00:16:39,800 --> 00:16:43,040 Speaker 3: a stalker, in another case with an earlier girlfriend. Your 291 00:16:43,080 --> 00:16:46,960 Speaker 3: audience may not know I'm also gay. What were events 292 00:16:47,320 --> 00:16:51,040 Speaker 3: that shaped my life where there were moments of clarity 293 00:16:51,120 --> 00:16:54,920 Speaker 3: that allowed me to climb further out of that hole? 294 00:16:55,640 --> 00:16:59,520 Speaker 3: And then certain conservatives. I wrought a section on rushlanbaw 295 00:17:00,160 --> 00:17:04,200 Speaker 3: Meeting him happenstantically at a radio station where his show 296 00:17:04,320 --> 00:17:08,120 Speaker 3: was syndicated and where I also worked KFI in Los Angeles, 297 00:17:09,240 --> 00:17:12,680 Speaker 3: and that conversation over maybe a couple of hours, changed 298 00:17:12,760 --> 00:17:16,040 Speaker 3: my life. And those are things you can't plan, but 299 00:17:16,160 --> 00:17:19,000 Speaker 3: you have to be open to them. And I think 300 00:17:19,040 --> 00:17:24,520 Speaker 3: it's just about thinking first about what's happened. And again 301 00:17:24,560 --> 00:17:26,520 Speaker 3: we're on the roller coaster, but there's a moment and 302 00:17:26,560 --> 00:17:29,639 Speaker 3: I want this book to serve this purpose, to consider 303 00:17:30,080 --> 00:17:34,240 Speaker 3: what else is happening that you are not just condemned 304 00:17:34,440 --> 00:17:37,359 Speaker 3: to this weird thing you have to live through. But 305 00:17:37,520 --> 00:17:39,960 Speaker 3: the simplest things, Lisa, that we can do, because this 306 00:17:40,040 --> 00:17:42,840 Speaker 3: is an issue of courage, which is beaten out of us, 307 00:17:43,400 --> 00:17:46,840 Speaker 3: is the decision, as I made, and have made several 308 00:17:46,840 --> 00:17:50,479 Speaker 3: times in my life, to say no, to say I 309 00:17:50,560 --> 00:17:54,880 Speaker 3: want something better, and to not be afraid to identify 310 00:17:55,000 --> 00:17:59,000 Speaker 3: as God forbid, a conservative, to say publicly I support 311 00:17:59,080 --> 00:18:02,359 Speaker 3: Donald Trump or somebody else. People get mad at me 312 00:18:02,440 --> 00:18:04,719 Speaker 3: too when I still say I like Nikki Haley, I 313 00:18:04,800 --> 00:18:07,080 Speaker 3: like Rod DeSantis. You know, people get mad. It's like 314 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:10,480 Speaker 3: or it's just a minute. And we saw that from 315 00:18:10,560 --> 00:18:13,320 Speaker 3: the convention, is that it's not like you have to 316 00:18:13,320 --> 00:18:16,159 Speaker 3: be one hundred percent with somebody, but you know, this 317 00:18:16,359 --> 00:18:19,720 Speaker 3: is a team effort to save this country and you 318 00:18:19,720 --> 00:18:22,560 Speaker 3: will not always one hundred percent love everybody. But that's 319 00:18:22,640 --> 00:18:25,280 Speaker 3: part of life, and it's the thing that you can 320 00:18:25,320 --> 00:18:30,920 Speaker 3: actually enjoy is the challenges, you know, having debates. It's 321 00:18:30,960 --> 00:18:33,080 Speaker 3: a thing I miss and I think we can get 322 00:18:33,080 --> 00:18:35,840 Speaker 3: back to it, but it's really at the very end. 323 00:18:35,880 --> 00:18:38,159 Speaker 3: I have five packs. We can make with ourselves. The 324 00:18:38,320 --> 00:18:43,600 Speaker 3: very first one is to not allow strangers to determine 325 00:18:43,840 --> 00:18:47,640 Speaker 3: how you think about yourself. Don't allow strangers to yell 326 00:18:47,680 --> 00:18:49,879 Speaker 3: you're a racist and a bigot. If you don't do X, 327 00:18:50,359 --> 00:18:53,840 Speaker 3: do not let that happen. You're in charge of your 328 00:18:53,920 --> 00:18:56,560 Speaker 3: values and of who you are. And the moment you 329 00:18:56,680 --> 00:19:00,160 Speaker 3: stop believing strangers or even family members who tell you 330 00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:03,480 Speaker 3: you're a bad person, you will be free. Because that's 331 00:19:03,520 --> 00:19:06,719 Speaker 3: like domestic violence, which I go into a little bit 332 00:19:06,720 --> 00:19:11,560 Speaker 3: in the book, where a batterer continually attacks the self esteem, 333 00:19:11,680 --> 00:19:15,000 Speaker 3: the worthiness, tells you you're no good, tells you you're 334 00:19:15,080 --> 00:19:17,600 Speaker 3: the problem, says if you don't do this what I 335 00:19:17,680 --> 00:19:20,480 Speaker 3: say to you, you're bad. You're going to be punished 336 00:19:20,840 --> 00:19:23,000 Speaker 3: that if you don't do this thing, I'm going to 337 00:19:23,040 --> 00:19:25,199 Speaker 3: break your nose. If you don't do this thing, I'm 338 00:19:25,240 --> 00:19:28,240 Speaker 3: going to get you fired. It is exactly what's about 339 00:19:28,280 --> 00:19:31,280 Speaker 3: playing right now, Lisa writ large in This Country. 340 00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:33,800 Speaker 1: Well and Tammy, you know, as we talk about sort 341 00:19:33,800 --> 00:19:36,480 Speaker 1: of this fear agenda and how the Left implements it, 342 00:19:36,680 --> 00:19:39,240 Speaker 1: you lay out sort of the predictable pattern and it goes, 343 00:19:39,280 --> 00:19:40,960 Speaker 1: you know, cut us off from our friends and family, 344 00:19:41,040 --> 00:19:43,760 Speaker 1: gaslight us, tell us we misremember the past, break down 345 00:19:43,760 --> 00:19:46,720 Speaker 1: our confidence, shame us, fill us with a fear of everything, 346 00:19:46,760 --> 00:19:49,040 Speaker 1: and I might I mean that was COVID, right. 347 00:19:49,040 --> 00:19:50,119 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. 348 00:19:50,560 --> 00:19:52,879 Speaker 1: I mean talk a little bit about that, And I mean, 349 00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:55,440 Speaker 1: have you ever seen as big of a fear agenda, 350 00:19:55,600 --> 00:19:58,400 Speaker 1: you know, being implemented to try to force us into submission? 351 00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:01,760 Speaker 3: That was the Ultimately, there's a phrase I'll use which 352 00:20:01,800 --> 00:20:04,800 Speaker 3: is a little crude. So I won't because of the years. 353 00:20:05,480 --> 00:20:07,320 Speaker 1: My mom my, mom my, mom gets mad at me 354 00:20:07,359 --> 00:20:08,879 Speaker 1: if I curse, but you you're allowed to. 355 00:20:09,280 --> 00:20:11,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, it's a it's a certain kind of 356 00:20:11,119 --> 00:20:14,520 Speaker 3: dream for the for the left cod it's a certain 357 00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:19,440 Speaker 3: kind of dream, and they couldn't contain themselves. Uh And COVID. 358 00:20:19,560 --> 00:20:22,919 Speaker 3: Of course, the concept for this book arose prior to COVID, 359 00:20:22,920 --> 00:20:26,120 Speaker 3: because again it's ancient, it's an ancient issue. And then 360 00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:31,679 Speaker 3: COVID hit and it was the glee, the immediate you know, 361 00:20:31,840 --> 00:20:36,600 Speaker 3: desire to It was every single thing in them in 362 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:39,399 Speaker 3: the kitchen that they put into the recipe, and it 363 00:20:39,480 --> 00:20:42,680 Speaker 3: was like, this was the chance, This was the chance. 364 00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:45,600 Speaker 3: And the problem, of course, which now Trump would not 365 00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:49,040 Speaker 3: have in a second term is is Trump being from 366 00:20:49,119 --> 00:20:52,720 Speaker 3: the outside, presuming that people in government would do what 367 00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:54,879 Speaker 3: people in business do. Everyone has an interest in the 368 00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:58,680 Speaker 3: business succeeding. Well, not in Washington. And you know, we 369 00:20:59,160 --> 00:21:01,919 Speaker 3: now know from Burkes's book that he was lied to 370 00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:04,639 Speaker 3: and manipulated and they didn't do what he asked. We 371 00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:07,000 Speaker 3: know in a variety of ways. And now even the 372 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:09,280 Speaker 3: interviews with Fauci, which thank god I was able to 373 00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:13,199 Speaker 3: get into the book earlier this year, even saying that, 374 00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:17,640 Speaker 3: you know, the six feet apart thing just kind of appeared. 375 00:21:18,040 --> 00:21:20,760 Speaker 3: We were told it was science and the masks right, 376 00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:23,800 Speaker 3: it was like ten percent. It works on the margins. 377 00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:27,120 Speaker 2: Trust the science. Trust, I know, trust the science. 378 00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:30,720 Speaker 3: Science and science. Oh my god, so we But for 379 00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:34,359 Speaker 3: too many who are dead in the nursing homes and 380 00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:37,080 Speaker 3: the political choices that are made, the lives destroyed, the 381 00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:42,280 Speaker 3: sobriety destroyed by people facing this kind of an insane thing. 382 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:47,040 Speaker 3: We talk about excess deaths. A friend of mine diagnosed 383 00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:50,480 Speaker 3: she a young woman with third stage calon cancer, which 384 00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:53,400 Speaker 3: she ignored in part because she thought it was long COVID. 385 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:56,680 Speaker 3: The lies. You know, when we think about excess deaths, 386 00:21:57,000 --> 00:22:01,439 Speaker 3: the mental health of young people what we did, and 387 00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:03,720 Speaker 3: not because we were running and willing to do it. 388 00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:05,600 Speaker 3: In order to keep your job, you had to get 389 00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:09,080 Speaker 3: the jab, in order to get your kids still in school, 390 00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:12,520 Speaker 3: they had to wear a mask. And all of us 391 00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:17,000 Speaker 3: were under such threat that we allowed certain things to occur. 392 00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:19,480 Speaker 3: I of course write about that in the book, write 393 00:22:19,520 --> 00:22:22,800 Speaker 3: about global warming, which is partly the training for this, 394 00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:27,240 Speaker 3: the nature of the media and its role, the key 395 00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:32,240 Speaker 3: to education. But the history, there's a history of this technique, 396 00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:34,840 Speaker 3: and then I go into how it's now playing out 397 00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:38,679 Speaker 3: in our world. But yes, for most people who just 398 00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:40,919 Speaker 3: are trying to raise their families and live their lives, 399 00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:46,840 Speaker 3: COVID was the revelation that something else was very not 400 00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:50,680 Speaker 3: right and that this was a strange thing to be doing. 401 00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:53,600 Speaker 3: And then of course the reaction to Trump, the efforts 402 00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:57,320 Speaker 3: to the rhetoric about him. It was inevitable that this 403 00:22:57,359 --> 00:22:59,400 Speaker 3: would happen, that there would be an attempt to kill him, 404 00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:01,719 Speaker 3: because how many years go on when you call someone 405 00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:06,760 Speaker 3: an existential threat and is Hitler somebody forget their politics. 406 00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:09,680 Speaker 3: They're saying, oh, the guy on the roof, we don't 407 00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:11,920 Speaker 3: know what his politics were. It doesn't matter. It even 408 00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:15,800 Speaker 3: makes my point more significant is that anyone who's on 409 00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:20,080 Speaker 3: the edge can be pushed over by this constant haranguing 410 00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:23,359 Speaker 3: and lies that someone is going to be a threat 411 00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:26,640 Speaker 3: to life as we know it. It's insane, and yet 412 00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:28,879 Speaker 3: we now were seeing it play out, and the moment 413 00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:32,520 Speaker 3: we're aware of it, so much of the power of 414 00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:37,720 Speaker 3: it dissipates because we now understand that we don't have 415 00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:38,480 Speaker 3: to adapt. 416 00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:40,919 Speaker 2: We can say no, we've got more of Tammy. 417 00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:43,159 Speaker 1: But first, since the start of the Swords of Iron 418 00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:45,720 Speaker 1: war in Israel in October seventh, we have seen death 419 00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:48,680 Speaker 1: and destruction in the Holy Land. For more than forty years. 420 00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:51,320 Speaker 1: The International Fellowship of Christians and Jews has been on 421 00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:54,120 Speaker 1: the ground in Israel and within hours of the war 422 00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:56,800 Speaker 1: starting in every day since, they've been feeding the hungry 423 00:23:56,800 --> 00:23:59,920 Speaker 1: and protecting the vulnerable. The attacks continue in the North, 424 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:02,679 Speaker 1: in the South, and Israel, but there are resilient survivors 425 00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:06,560 Speaker 1: who bravely share their stories in a series IFJ calls 426 00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:11,040 Speaker 1: Faces of Iron Survivors like Noah. On October seventh, no 427 00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:13,680 Speaker 1: when our friend were escaping a music festival that was 428 00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:17,200 Speaker 1: being attacked. As they were driving, rockets were following and 429 00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:20,240 Speaker 1: terrorists were shooting. Noah's friend was shot in the leg 430 00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:23,119 Speaker 1: while many were murdered. They ran into a large bush 431 00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:25,960 Speaker 1: and hid inside of it for eight hours. Christians like 432 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:29,480 Speaker 1: you support Israel through the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews. 433 00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:33,600 Speaker 1: It's this support that helps these survivors remain steadfast and strong. 434 00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:36,840 Speaker 1: To hear more stories like this one and show your 435 00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:44,479 Speaker 1: support for Israel. Visit supportifj dot org. We've seen on 436 00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:47,479 Speaker 1: the left, you know, one, they're just getting crazier, but 437 00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:51,359 Speaker 1: their policies are getting more extreme. Have you seen that 438 00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:53,640 Speaker 1: correlate with an increased fear Agenda's what. 439 00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:56,399 Speaker 3: Absolutely you know? And plus there's is a level of 440 00:24:56,440 --> 00:25:00,600 Speaker 3: desperation they've seen at work. That's one of the Ish right. 441 00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:04,160 Speaker 3: This is why there's suddenly a hubris begins to kick in. 442 00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:07,840 Speaker 3: Like they just presumed that, you know, on July eleventh, 443 00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:11,520 Speaker 3: that Trump would be in jail, So they were completely 444 00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:14,800 Speaker 3: unprepared for any other scenario where they would have to 445 00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:19,480 Speaker 3: explain Joe Biden. It wouldn't matter. They thought all of 446 00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:22,840 Speaker 3: what they did, the you know, the indictments and the 447 00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:27,200 Speaker 3: Marrologo rate, their disconnection with the nature of the American 448 00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:32,720 Speaker 3: people and what we understand is mind blowing. And I 449 00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:36,240 Speaker 3: think that as they because they've been successful. They saw 450 00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:39,920 Speaker 3: their success with COVID, and this is why Fauci is still, 451 00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:43,880 Speaker 3: you know, creating himself and strutting. He's got his little 452 00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:47,040 Speaker 3: book out there. And Debora Burks writes a book proudly 453 00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:51,159 Speaker 3: talking about how she missed. Like Trump would say, and 454 00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:54,160 Speaker 3: his administration would say, let's do X, Y and Z here, 455 00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:57,000 Speaker 3: and then they would take their papers and just like 456 00:25:57,160 --> 00:25:59,159 Speaker 3: change the wording a little bit and move down the 457 00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:02,000 Speaker 3: stuff they didn't like that. They wouldn't change anything, and 458 00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:05,680 Speaker 3: she crowed about doing that. So I think that as 459 00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:10,400 Speaker 3: they as they have an overestimation of themselves and underestimation 460 00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:13,120 Speaker 3: of the American people, and they are just in this 461 00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:17,520 Speaker 3: mode of scare the pants off everybody. And I talk 462 00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:21,080 Speaker 3: in your I talk about England, where there was discussions 463 00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:26,720 Speaker 3: through like the what's app app of government leaders during 464 00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:30,240 Speaker 3: COVID talking about exactly that we have to literally we 465 00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:33,679 Speaker 3: have to frighten them more. And so this is an 466 00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:38,320 Speaker 3: understood technique that is to be applied for people's own good. 467 00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:41,840 Speaker 3: And when they see it not working, oh boy, then 468 00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:44,399 Speaker 3: they resent us even more, Lisa, and then they have 469 00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:47,440 Speaker 3: to say more mean things because we are you know, 470 00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:52,719 Speaker 3: racists and sexists and irredeemable and white supremacists and you know, 471 00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:58,280 Speaker 3: existential threats. It's their mental health issues that we see 472 00:26:58,320 --> 00:26:59,480 Speaker 3: playing out in real time. 473 00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:01,879 Speaker 2: Is the point of fear submission? 474 00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:05,480 Speaker 3: Well it is, yes, it is about the retreat. It's 475 00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:09,080 Speaker 3: not safe to think even with language changes. Lose your 476 00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:12,600 Speaker 3: job for misgendering someone not using the right pronounce that 477 00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:16,240 Speaker 3: the dumbest issues in the world. But that's the point. 478 00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:19,919 Speaker 3: If they can get you to submit to the dumb 479 00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:23,280 Speaker 3: things and that you don't know what the rules are 480 00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:26,960 Speaker 3: from day to day, you will stop thinking about the 481 00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:31,040 Speaker 3: issues even because it's too dangerous. So yes, the goal 482 00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:34,399 Speaker 3: is to quell the population, and you do that in 483 00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:38,359 Speaker 3: number of ways, making them frightened and creating a mass 484 00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:43,440 Speaker 3: anxiety which stops critical thinking, and keeping them poor so 485 00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:45,720 Speaker 3: that they don't have the mechanism with which to make 486 00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:50,920 Speaker 3: change through donations or being able to fund psychotherapy or 487 00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:56,000 Speaker 3: anything else. So you keep people afraid and poor. And now, 488 00:27:56,280 --> 00:28:00,000 Speaker 3: since we're making marijuana illegal, and you're also going to 489 00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:02,879 Speaker 3: be stoned, and then you'll eat too many twinkies and 490 00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:08,080 Speaker 3: you'll be fat. It is the ultimate, they're mellion. You know, 491 00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:11,280 Speaker 3: it's the ultimate or Wellian dynamic, and it's someone Look, 492 00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:13,600 Speaker 3: I did drugs in my late teens and early twenties, 493 00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:16,600 Speaker 3: and the one thing I did not like was pot 494 00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:19,960 Speaker 3: one because it made me feel dumb and it made 495 00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:22,240 Speaker 3: me hungry, and I've always had a weight issue, so 496 00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:25,720 Speaker 3: the last thing I wanted. But now today's drugs are 497 00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:29,840 Speaker 3: so different than they were thirty forty years ago. It 498 00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:32,600 Speaker 3: is it's shocking to me that this is the movement. 499 00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:36,359 Speaker 3: Is after all the stuff we did about smoking tobacco 500 00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:40,920 Speaker 3: and the dangers of tobacco, but now we've like we 501 00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:44,040 Speaker 3: looked to laws as a sign of what's acceptable. But 502 00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:48,000 Speaker 3: it's not surprising when you want people to be quelled 503 00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:49,960 Speaker 3: and all of these things work in so you have 504 00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:54,640 Speaker 3: bad economies, You can't afford gasoline. That creates fear. You 505 00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:56,120 Speaker 3: don't know what the future is going to be, so 506 00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:58,160 Speaker 3: you don't make any big plans, You don't spend money 507 00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:01,080 Speaker 3: on candidates, you don't go you don't have the money 508 00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:03,840 Speaker 3: sometimes to go to a rally. You don't have You 509 00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:06,320 Speaker 3: just you don't have the money to pay for bail 510 00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:08,840 Speaker 3: in the event you get arrested. As school board meeting. 511 00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:12,280 Speaker 3: You know, where does how does this end? And they 512 00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:14,880 Speaker 3: think it just ends with a population that won't be 513 00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:18,680 Speaker 3: bothersome And of course they're finding out that they've misread 514 00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:20,680 Speaker 3: and underestimated the American people. 515 00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:24,080 Speaker 1: You know, before we close. The book is out July 516 00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:27,280 Speaker 1: twenty third. What do you hope people take away from 517 00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:27,880 Speaker 1: it that. 518 00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:32,040 Speaker 3: They haven't been wrong right, that something's not right has 519 00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:37,480 Speaker 3: been resonating, and that it is not something that it's 520 00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:39,239 Speaker 3: not something that's going to be here forever, that we, 521 00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:42,320 Speaker 3: in fact can stop it. It seems overwhelming, doesn't it. 522 00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:46,360 Speaker 3: It's the whole government, it's the economy. How does that change? 523 00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:50,800 Speaker 3: Trump showed us that certainly, through regulations and policies, our 524 00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:54,040 Speaker 3: lives can change on a dime. Biden showed us that 525 00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:58,040 Speaker 3: as well, the power of the presidency. Our lives changed 526 00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:01,360 Speaker 3: in a day when he reversed all of the border rules. 527 00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:05,240 Speaker 3: So we know that the presidency is powerful. We know 528 00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:10,280 Speaker 3: through both experiences that it can change almost immediately. Most importantly, 529 00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:14,320 Speaker 3: things change because our frame of mind changes. And I 530 00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:17,120 Speaker 3: want people to have this as a tool. So it's 531 00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:19,760 Speaker 3: a reminder that all of this, it's like a dream, 532 00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:22,800 Speaker 3: it's artificial. You wake up and that thing that was 533 00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:27,680 Speaker 3: terrifying you wasn't even real. That's what this is, and 534 00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:29,600 Speaker 3: that's what I want the book to do, is to 535 00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:34,240 Speaker 3: literally snap us out of it, to break the spell 536 00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:37,560 Speaker 3: and the moment that happens. As we saw at the 537 00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:40,800 Speaker 3: rally as an example, you saw a difference in how 538 00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:43,560 Speaker 3: people and even some people are saying President Trump is 539 00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:45,880 Speaker 3: a change man. I don't know. I think he's the 540 00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:50,080 Speaker 3: same man. But anyone who faced, certainly an existential threat, 541 00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:53,040 Speaker 3: is going to be reacting to that. The bottom line 542 00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:55,920 Speaker 3: is he stood up and is doing what he did 543 00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:59,440 Speaker 3: because we've had his back and we are not afraid. 544 00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:02,560 Speaker 3: And that is how this nation works. So I want 545 00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:05,840 Speaker 3: this book. What they take away, what everyone should take away, 546 00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:09,360 Speaker 3: is that you're right that things aren't right. This is 547 00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:12,760 Speaker 3: artificial and weak. It can be changed, and from just 548 00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:15,560 Speaker 3: person to person, it can change from our own frames 549 00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:18,320 Speaker 3: of mind and then what we do in the process 550 00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:21,880 Speaker 3: of that. So it's very exciting and I hope people 551 00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:22,240 Speaker 3: like it. 552 00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:25,200 Speaker 1: Why I think they are going to like it, Fear 553 00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:28,720 Speaker 1: itself exposing the left mind killing agenda out on July 554 00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:31,920 Speaker 1: twenty third, Tammy Bruce Friend and colleague Pratio. 555 00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:33,840 Speaker 2: I hope it's a huge, excess huge success. I know 556 00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:34,840 Speaker 2: it'll be a huge success. 557 00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:35,480 Speaker 3: Thank I hope. 558 00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:37,800 Speaker 1: Thank you loved having go on. I'd love to have 559 00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:39,840 Speaker 1: you back on and he't wait to cheery on as 560 00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:42,640 Speaker 1: you as you continue to talk about the book and 561 00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:43,640 Speaker 1: just do great with it. 562 00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:46,120 Speaker 3: So thank you so much. Thanks, it's great. Thank you Lisa. 563 00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:49,360 Speaker 1: It was my friend and colleague, Tammy Bruce. Appreciate her 564 00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:51,600 Speaker 1: for taking the time to come on the show. Appreciate 565 00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:53,920 Speaker 1: you guys at home for listening every Monday and Thursday, 566 00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:55,400 Speaker 1: but you can listen throughout the week. I want to 567 00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:57,760 Speaker 1: think John Cassio and my producer for putting the show together.