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Speaker 1: Hey everybody, and welcome to another edition of the Dave

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Speaker 1: Pash Podcast. I'm your host ESPN and Arizona Cardinals play

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Speaker 1: by play announcer Dave Pash. My guest this week is

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Speaker 1: one of the kindest people you'll ever meet. His name

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Speaker 1: is Charles Barkley. He's one of the great personalities on television.

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Speaker 1: Hall of Fame player, guy that knows a little bit

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Speaker 1: about everything, and we spent about thirty minutes on this

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Speaker 1: podcast talking a variety of subjects, including the NBA, his

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Speaker 1: time with the Phoenix Suns, and also some Arizona Cardinals talk,

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Speaker 1: in particular about the return of Cardinals quarterback Kyler Murray.

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Speaker 2: When you're a star, you get all the credit, but

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Speaker 2: gonna run to you first. I think right now is

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Speaker 2: probably going to be the most important time in callus career.

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Speaker 2: He's got to stay positive because everybody's gonna be watching.

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Speaker 1: Charles and his inside the NBA crew on T and

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Speaker 1: T are also in the Hall of Fame. We'll discuss

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Speaker 1: the chemistry they have on that show. We'll get Charles's

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Speaker 1: eight hundred next step all right, time now Forriar wide

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Speaker 1: ranging conversation with Hall of Famer Charles Barkley. Charles, First

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Speaker 1: of all, Man, it's been a while since I've seen you.

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Speaker 2: How you been, Man, I'm doing good. You know. It's

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Speaker 2: kind of you know, just a new season, so it's

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Speaker 2: kind of like really just starting to be honest with you.

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Speaker 2: I mean, we've only been up for a couple of weeks,

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Speaker 2: so it's just really getting started. So it's starting to

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Speaker 2: be fun because once you get started. I've been on

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Speaker 2: vacation since June. I've just been playing golf every day.

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Speaker 2: So so now the season starts, and now you've got

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Speaker 2: college basketball start. I'm keeping an eye on that. So

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Speaker 2: this is my best time of the year. And don't

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Speaker 2: forget my favorite holiday, Thanksgiving is coming up. So I'm

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Speaker 2: in heaven right now.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, man, I got everything going on right now. I

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Speaker 1: got the Cardinals, I got college football. I had Bedlam,

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Speaker 1: the last Bedlum this past week. I had Lakers Clippers

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Speaker 1: last week. Yeah, man, it was it. It was pretty

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Speaker 1: cool too to see him not only rip the goalpost down,

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Speaker 1: but destroy him and throw them in a moat.

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Speaker 2: Yep. You know. But and you know that's the one

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Speaker 2: thing that really sucks about all this realignment. I mean,

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Speaker 2: you know, Bedlam has to be played. You know, as

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Speaker 2: a fan, I'm disappointed. You got Texas A and M

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Speaker 2: and Texas now they going I'll start playing each other again.

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Speaker 2: They've both been the SEC. That's a negative thing about

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Speaker 2: all this moving around. Man, it really sucks.

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Speaker 1: It does. I Mean, I don't like it, but I

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Speaker 1: get it. It's about money. It's obviously, I mean the

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Speaker 1: company that I work for other than the Cardinals, ESPN.

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Speaker 1: Obviously with the SEC connection Texas. So we've got Texas

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Speaker 1: TCU on ABC this week. This is the last meeting

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Speaker 1: between those two schools. I've had a lot of those

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Speaker 1: with your alma mater. The Iron Bowl's not going anywhere.

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Speaker 2: Well, you know what, It's so funny you said that.

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Speaker 2: I've been playing golf and I got a text from

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Speaker 2: somebody and it's scared the hell out of me day.

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Speaker 2: To be honest with, just is Auburn considering leaving SEC

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Speaker 2: As much as I love college football and I love Auburn,

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Speaker 2: because you know, you know they do one thing about sports. Hey, man,

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Speaker 1: Man, Now, I gotta get on this. You just put

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Speaker 2: I'm telling me when I heard it, because there was

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Speaker 2: three years ago. Some Auburn people wanted to move to

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Speaker 2: And I think enough Auburn people ran with that. But man,

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm not surprised that you're dialed in on college

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Speaker 1: football I know you're dialed in on just about everything,

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Speaker 1: about six months ago. And it's shocking just given you've

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Speaker 1: I was doing the Eastern Conference Finals ESPN Radio. You're

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Speaker 1: You're nice to everybody. Everybody wants a piece of you.

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Speaker 1: How are you always able to be so kind everybody?

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Speaker 2: Well, Number one, thank you for the compliment. First of all,

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Speaker 2: what you do is really impressive. You know, because I

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Speaker 2: tell people this, You, Kevin, Harlan, Sean McDonough, you three

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Speaker 2: That's pretty hard to do.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I appreciate that.

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Speaker 2: I mean, no, I mean necessarily. You know, I told

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Speaker 2: and he's not nearly doing as many games as you

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Speaker 2: I got college football this week, I got basketball this week. Yo. Man,

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Speaker 1: Well, I appreciate that. Very thoughtful and kind of you

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Speaker 1: to even be mentioned in the same breath as those

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Speaker 1: two guys. Inside the NBA is one of the best

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Speaker 1: shows in the history of sports television. I know you

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Speaker 1: guys were taping this on a Tuesday. You guys are

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Speaker 1: guys last week after the Winmbin Yama incredible play and

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, number one. That's the easy part. Then joyment

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Speaker 2: You know, it's so funny told me to tell you

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Speaker 2: I think my first four or five years I did

426
00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:06,399
Speaker 2: by my second late in my second year, in my

427
00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:09,400
Speaker 2: third year, I got to go at least first class.

428
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Speaker 1: Well, one thing that hasn't changed is how beloved you

429
00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:18,720
Speaker 1: are in the valley, and in particular how important you

430
00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:21,760
Speaker 1: are to the history of the Phoenix Suns franchise. And

431
00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:24,919
Speaker 1: I'm just curious what it meant to you with the

432
00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:28,840
Speaker 1: banners and the murals for you and other great Sons players,

433
00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:30,520
Speaker 1: with the Ring of Honor recently.

434
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Speaker 2: You know, it's really a special night. I want to

435
00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:36,960
Speaker 2: give I shout out to Matt isfiea who's really trying

436
00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:39,960
Speaker 2: to bring a bunch of the old guys back. And

437
00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:41,760
Speaker 2: it was a really nice event, you know, And I

438
00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:44,680
Speaker 2: want to say something because I'd be remiss because man,

439
00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:48,280
Speaker 2: we lost one of the great Sons players last week,

440
00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:52,000
Speaker 2: but really one of the great gentlemen, and Walter Davis.

441
00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:55,120
Speaker 2: When I saw that, it really broke my heart because

442
00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:58,840
Speaker 2: I was wondering why Walter wasn't there, and I was like,

443
00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:01,439
Speaker 2: then I saw the new he had passed away. You

444
00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:04,679
Speaker 2: talk about a gentle giant, I mean he wasn't a giant,

445
00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:07,280
Speaker 2: but just a gentle soul. I mean, obviously he was

446
00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:09,560
Speaker 2: a hell of a basketball player. But Walter David is

447
00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:12,880
Speaker 2: one of the nicest men I ever met. But get

448
00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:16,159
Speaker 2: the Sons some love. They want the old guys to

449
00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:19,640
Speaker 2: come back, you know, Dave, I don't go to games

450
00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:21,680
Speaker 2: to be honest with you, because I had my day

451
00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:23,640
Speaker 2: and I don't want to take any attention away from

452
00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:26,919
Speaker 2: today's young guys. So I never actually go to games

453
00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:30,040
Speaker 2: to be honest with you. But Matt called person and

454
00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:32,520
Speaker 2: say Hey, I want to do this for you guys.

455
00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:36,119
Speaker 2: As I tell you what, anytime y'all had a special event,

456
00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:39,200
Speaker 2: I have been here, I'll be there. And I really

457
00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:43,080
Speaker 2: appreciate him trying, and you know, and they tell me stuff.

458
00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:46,440
Speaker 2: They're like, yo, Man, he walks around, said, Hey, how

459
00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:48,760
Speaker 2: can I make it better for the Sons you people

460
00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:53,280
Speaker 2: who work here, And I'm like, man, he's really trying.

461
00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:57,800
Speaker 2: And I'm really excited because I really want to see

462
00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:01,560
Speaker 2: the Suns bring a championship here. I mean, obviously their

463
00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:05,520
Speaker 2: team is loaded this year. Man, I can't wait to

464
00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:09,120
Speaker 2: see all three of those stars together. You know, both

465
00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:12,480
Speaker 2: two of them been hurt pretty much all year. But man,

466
00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:15,320
Speaker 2: I'm really excited for Phoenix Suns. And it's going to

467
00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:18,960
Speaker 2: be an interesting year because man, the West is crazy

468
00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:23,080
Speaker 2: with the Nuggets obviously they're the champs, the Lakers are good,

469
00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:27,919
Speaker 2: Sacramento is really good, the Clippers are really good. I

470
00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:30,840
Speaker 2: mean the Suns obviously, you know they're terrific too. So

471
00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:34,080
Speaker 2: it's going to be back to the Wow Wow West.

472
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Speaker 1: I did two games with Bob Myers in the last

473
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Speaker 1: couple of weeks. He's doing some games now for ESPN,

474
00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:43,399
Speaker 1: and he's he's great, he's a quick study, he's excellent

475
00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:46,840
Speaker 1: on television. Obviously, he's the architect or one of the

476
00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:51,159
Speaker 1: architects of this Warriors dynasty for NBA Championships. And he

477
00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:55,160
Speaker 1: said the West is better and deeper now than it's

478
00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:58,880
Speaker 1: been in the last decade. And you just touched on that.

479
00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:04,119
Speaker 1: You mentioned Denver. Do you see the Suns among the

480
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:07,760
Speaker 1: teams there at the end, assuming that obviously the big

481
00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:11,840
Speaker 1: three Beal, Booker and Durant are healthy in the summer.

482
00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:17,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I think they're in the conversation. Well, see,

483
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:20,880
Speaker 2: Denver's got to replace some really good veterans, so they're

484
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:24,680
Speaker 2: counting on some young kids. Uh, so that's gonna be

485
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:27,719
Speaker 2: the process for the Nuggets. I mean, obviously the Joker

486
00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:30,600
Speaker 2: and Jamal and those guys, Aaron Gordon, they're gonna be there.

487
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:35,520
Speaker 2: But Bruce Brown is a really big piece. Uh, he's

488
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:39,320
Speaker 2: playing great for Indiana right now. Jeff Green was a

489
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:43,120
Speaker 2: really big piece. So they're really counting on a bunch

490
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:46,119
Speaker 2: of young guys. And I tell you, you can never you

491
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:48,560
Speaker 2: never know what young guys are gonna do. You didn't

492
00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:50,919
Speaker 2: have a zero idea what they're gonna do, especially you

493
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:53,320
Speaker 2: don't need the regular season. It doesn't matter, to be

494
00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:55,360
Speaker 2: honest with you, to those young guys, they gonna get

495
00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:57,560
Speaker 2: through it cause they're gonna play the big guy. But

496
00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:01,800
Speaker 2: when you get to the I mean, because in the West,

497
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:06,480
Speaker 2: what's crazy. Let's say hypothetically, you could play the Pelicans

498
00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:10,960
Speaker 2: in the first round, and that is a full time job.

499
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:15,280
Speaker 2: You could play the Sacramento Kings in the first round,

500
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:18,080
Speaker 2: that is a real full time job, because I love

501
00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:20,320
Speaker 2: what Mike Brown's doing. I did. You could play the

502
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:24,160
Speaker 2: Warriors in the first round of the playoffs. So it's

503
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:27,919
Speaker 2: gonna be very interesting, the seating and everything in the

504
00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:32,480
Speaker 2: Western Conference. But man, I tell you, it's gonna be

505
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:36,159
Speaker 2: fun to watch East. Can anybody get to Boston and

506
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:40,320
Speaker 2: Milwaukee's that I'm worried. My Sixers got a chance. But

507
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:43,480
Speaker 2: that's the only two teams that I really think got

508
00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:46,600
Speaker 2: a chance of getting up there, with Milwaukee and Boston,

509
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:48,920
Speaker 2: and I think Boston's a favored in my opinion.

510
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:51,760
Speaker 1: Two more quick ones will get you out of here.

511
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:54,040
Speaker 1: I know your time is precious and I really appreciate it.

512
00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:55,440
Speaker 2: Like brother, they take your time.

513
00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:00,600
Speaker 1: Do you think you mentioned the injury for the Suns?

514
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:03,600
Speaker 1: Those are clearly injuries. There's a difference between that and

515
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:07,880
Speaker 1: what we've seen recently with load management. And again I

516
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:10,200
Speaker 1: mentioned the Lakers Clippers game I did last week where

517
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:13,840
Speaker 1: you have got Lebron ad Paul George, and Kawhi Leonard

518
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:19,280
Speaker 1: all playing big minutes in an early November regular season game,

519
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:21,840
Speaker 1: treating it as if it was a game in June.

520
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:25,280
Speaker 1: Do you feel like the elimination of load management, or

521
00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:28,000
Speaker 1: at least the focus on it by the league, the

522
00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:31,920
Speaker 1: increase in the minimum number of games you have to

523
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:34,960
Speaker 1: play to be eligible for the awards, do you see

524
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:38,160
Speaker 1: that working? And do you see that increasing the relevance

525
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:39,120
Speaker 1: of the regular season?

526
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:42,640
Speaker 2: Well, I thought a couple things. I thought they should

527
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:45,760
Speaker 2: have made a seventy games for all the awards instead

528
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:52,520
Speaker 2: of sixty five. As a player, I'm embarrassed and disappointed

529
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 2: in my players. You know, I remember the first time

530
00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:00,680
Speaker 2: this how old I am again, I the first time

531
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:03,200
Speaker 2: a guy made a million dollars. We were going around

532
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:06,200
Speaker 2: high five in each other. We could not believe that

533
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:10,680
Speaker 2: the NBA player made a million dollars. Now, I think

534
00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:15,720
Speaker 2: the average salary is somewhere around ten million dollars. We

535
00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:19,000
Speaker 2: got guys making thirty forty fifty million dollars to play

536
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:22,760
Speaker 2: basketball three days a week's worst case scenario is four.

537
00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:27,080
Speaker 2: I think it's embarrassing and disappointing from a player standpoint

538
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:29,800
Speaker 2: that we don't have enough respect number one for the

539
00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:32,640
Speaker 2: game and the history of the game. I mean, you

540
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:37,200
Speaker 2: think about guys like Moses and Bill Russon, guys, those

541
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:39,440
Speaker 2: guys who are making twenty five thousand dollars a year,

542
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:46,480
Speaker 2: and they played in every game and went on train, planes, automobiles,

543
00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:50,760
Speaker 2: whatever it took. Now, we got the best medical staff

544
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:55,560
Speaker 2: in the world on each team, We got the best shoes,

545
00:30:56,240 --> 00:31:01,000
Speaker 2: We played fly private everywhere. These guys should want They

546
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:03,600
Speaker 2: should play in every game. Like I say, it's different

547
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:07,320
Speaker 2: if a guy's hurt, but if a guy just rested,

548
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:10,720
Speaker 2: like John Williamson. And I'm not trying to pick on

549
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:16,160
Speaker 2: that kid. He rested last week, and I'm like, how

550
00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:19,240
Speaker 2: can you rest three to four games into the season.

551
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:24,840
Speaker 2: Nobody's tired yet. And I said, even if you want

552
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:29,360
Speaker 2: to rest, worst case scenario, just play thirty minutes, don't pull,

553
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:31,760
Speaker 2: don't not sit out at all. If you want to

554
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:37,000
Speaker 2: lose management, in my opinion, just play thirty thirty five

555
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:40,360
Speaker 2: minutes or thirty minutes. Don't do the fans like that

556
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:44,520
Speaker 2: because these people pay outrageous sums of money to see guys.

557
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:47,280
Speaker 2: And like I say, it ain't like we are still

558
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:51,160
Speaker 2: workers or nurses or teachers or anybody like that. And

559
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:53,440
Speaker 2: I'm not saying that to be humble or whatever, but

560
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:56,720
Speaker 2: some of these people out here work so damn hard

561
00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:00,920
Speaker 2: and they don't make any money for us to play basketball.

562
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:03,800
Speaker 2: Most of the time, you only gonna play three days

563
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:06,920
Speaker 2: a week, and the worst case scenario, you're gonna play

564
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:09,880
Speaker 2: four days a week for forty eight million dollars. Come on, man,

565
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:11,640
Speaker 2: stop this low management crap.

566
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:16,920
Speaker 1: Do you think Lebron James at age thirty eight, what

567
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:20,840
Speaker 1: he's doing is incredible? And you had Tom Brady playing

568
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:23,400
Speaker 1: till his mid forties. You've got other guys at the

569
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:28,560
Speaker 1: quarterback position playing till they're forty or beyond. Aaron Rodgers

570
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:32,479
Speaker 1: is healing apparently pretty quickly from an achilles injury, and

571
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:34,520
Speaker 1: if he bounces back from that, which is hard to

572
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:36,160
Speaker 1: do at that age, you would imagine he's going to

573
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:39,000
Speaker 1: keep playing for a while. We're seeing more guys play

574
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:44,240
Speaker 1: later in their careers recently. Do you think that being

575
00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:47,520
Speaker 1: able to play at that level of a Lebron James

576
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:50,400
Speaker 1: or what Tom Brady did. Would that have happened in

577
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:53,640
Speaker 1: your NBA when you played, or in Roy Green's and

578
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:56,600
Speaker 1: Ron Wolfley's NFL when they played.

579
00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:02,120
Speaker 2: No, there's no chance. Listen. And you know, you know

580
00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:04,720
Speaker 2: it's so funny. Every time you say something, you've become

581
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:08,200
Speaker 2: the old get off my long guy. Anybody who don't

582
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:12,000
Speaker 2: think it's easier to place for us today is an idiot.

583
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:16,080
Speaker 2: And that's that. And that doesn't mean saying my day

584
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 2: was better. It's just different. Because you know, I used

585
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:22,720
Speaker 2: to tell people every time you played against those bad

586
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:25,560
Speaker 2: boy Pistons, you had to always call your family and say, hey,

587
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:27,560
Speaker 2: I probably might not make it out tonight, but I

588
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:31,320
Speaker 2: love y'all because gim boys are out there trying to

589
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:35,400
Speaker 2: hurt people. They were knocking the hell out of people,

590
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:39,640
Speaker 2: and that's just the way the game was played. And

591
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:42,480
Speaker 2: like I say, I didn't ever say it was better

592
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:45,200
Speaker 2: or worse. I just said it's different. That's like, you

593
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:50,280
Speaker 2: know what's crazy, Like all these quarterbacks today, by the

594
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:54,160
Speaker 2: time in the next five or ten years, even the

595
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:58,680
Speaker 2: crappy quarterbacks gonna have more yards than some of the

596
00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:02,920
Speaker 2: greatest players who ever played the game. And I mean,

597
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:06,400
Speaker 2: that's just how the game is played. And like I say,

598
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:10,440
Speaker 2: because you know, like we were joking one time, m

599
00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:12,960
Speaker 2: Smith was one of my good friends. Emma Smith has

600
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:15,200
Speaker 2: probably got the only record in sports that might not

601
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:19,200
Speaker 2: ever be broken, because there's never gonna be a running

602
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:22,160
Speaker 2: back who's around long enough to get those type of

603
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:25,640
Speaker 2: yards or run the ball that much. He's like, I

604
00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:28,320
Speaker 2: might have the only record in the history of sports

605
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:30,880
Speaker 2: that might have never been broken. He's one hundred percent correct,

606
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:34,719
Speaker 2: because I don't think we're ever gonna go back to

607
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:41,359
Speaker 2: running the ball for the times that much. But you know,

608
00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:44,440
Speaker 2: like I say, the game has changed. You know, quarterback

609
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:50,280
Speaker 2: can play longer because you okay, I hate, I really

610
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:54,279
Speaker 2: hate the way the NFL, the you know, does the

611
00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:58,640
Speaker 2: UH and the quarterbacks for the simple reason they're saying

612
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:03,280
Speaker 2: the quarterback is more important than other players. Now listen,

613
00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:08,560
Speaker 2: they're making the most money. God bless them. We can't

614
00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:11,640
Speaker 2: baby them, like every time you run into a quarterback

615
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:14,959
Speaker 2: now it's like, oh, rough in the past, I said,

616
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:18,440
Speaker 2: we can't. We don't have to make the most money

617
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:24,040
Speaker 2: and baby them. It drives me crazy. But you know

618
00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:27,680
Speaker 2: they've made it like we don't care about the other players,

619
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:31,640
Speaker 2: the most important players keeping the quarterback healthy. And the

620
00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:36,920
Speaker 2: quarterback has a huge advantage. He has a really huge advantage.

621
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:39,920
Speaker 2: And that's just just the way it is.

622
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:42,759
Speaker 1: All Right, last one and we'll get you out of here.

623
00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:45,839
Speaker 1: And maybe I shouldn't assume that it's nineteen ninety three,

624
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:49,719
Speaker 1: But do you have a favorite memory of being a

625
00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:52,640
Speaker 1: Phoenix sun, the one that stands out above all the others.

626
00:35:55,160 --> 00:36:00,720
Speaker 2: That's a great question. I think, you know. I think

627
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:06,879
Speaker 2: in game five when we played the Bulls for the championship,

628
00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:12,960
Speaker 2: and I remember the locker room before the game because

629
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:16,759
Speaker 2: I was so pissed before the game because they had

630
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:23,240
Speaker 2: spent the whole day on television boarding up the city, saying,

631
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:27,840
Speaker 2: don't tear up the city when we win the championship tonight.

632
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:31,200
Speaker 2: You know, we wanted a couple of times act like

633
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:34,160
Speaker 2: y'all got in common sense. And I remember when we

634
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:39,080
Speaker 2: got to the game, we're saying, guys, there's no freaking way,

635
00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:40,919
Speaker 2: and I didn't say freaking you know what I mean,

636
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:45,320
Speaker 2: no freaking way were losing this game tonight? And I said,

637
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:49,160
Speaker 2: and my man was Dan Marley and Mark West. I said, hell,

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Speaker 2: there's no way we're losing this game tonight. But to

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Speaker 2: answer your question, we got back to Phoenix probably four

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Speaker 2: o'clock in the man. It was so many people waiting

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Speaker 2: on us at the airport. It was really cool and special.

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Speaker 2: I mean it was really cool and special. Like it

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Speaker 2: wasn't ten o'clock at night, it wasn't eleven o'clock at night.

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Speaker 2: It was the middle of the night. And those fans

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Speaker 2: were so awesome they waited on us till three four

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Speaker 2: in the morning. So that was really a special thing.

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Speaker 2: And uh, man, it's just one thing. That's one of

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Speaker 2: the reason I live in Phoenix. These people have always

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Speaker 2: been great to me and I appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Well you deserve it, Charles, you are the best brother.

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Speaker 1: I really appreciate you taking some time to talk a

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Speaker 1: bunch of different things with me. I know you got

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Speaker 1: a busy schedule, so thank you, my friend. Look forward

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Speaker 1: to catching up down the road.

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Speaker 2: I look forward to my brother. You'd be safe, good

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Speaker 2: luck wherever you're at this weekend.

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Speaker 1: Thanks Charles. Well, as you could tell, Charles was awfully kind.

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Speaker 1: It kept them a little bit longer than I told

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Speaker 1: them that I would, but as you can tell, he

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Speaker 1: didn't seem to mind, and we could have talked for

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Speaker 1: another thirty minutes about more NFL, NBA, college football, everything.

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Speaker 1: It's one of the reasons why Charles is so likable,

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Speaker 1: because what you see on TV is what you get

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Speaker 1: off the air. He's a very kind person, just a

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Speaker 1: great dude, and I love just hearing about his long

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Speaker 1: standing relationship with Roy Green, who obviously means a ton

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Speaker 1: to all of us with the Arizona Cardinals. Great player,

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Speaker 1: great guy, part of our broadcast team, and he and Charles.

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Speaker 1: The fact that they play golf just about every day

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Speaker 1: when Charles's is in town just warms my heart. He's

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Speaker 1: the best and was very grateful that Charles spent some

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Speaker 1: time and hopefully you enjoyed it as well. We're presented

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Speaker 1: and tell us that there's a guest in particular he'd

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Speaker 1: like to hear from in the future on the Dave

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Speaker 1: Patch Podcast. So thanks again to Charles Barkley the Legend.

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Speaker 1: Thanks again to you for listening to another edition of

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Speaker 1: the Dave Past Podcast