1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:12,239 Speaker 1: Mm from grandmothers who whispered in their baby girl in 2 00:00:13,440 --> 00:00:16,920 Speaker 1: two fathers on dimly lit street corners, instructing young soldiers 3 00:00:16,920 --> 00:00:20,959 Speaker 1: to always keep their eyes open. You be queen, you 4 00:00:21,040 --> 00:00:24,279 Speaker 1: were fired. You will pass through centuries on the hands 5 00:00:24,320 --> 00:00:28,720 Speaker 1: of your daughters. They called you wisdom. Proverbs on the 6 00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:32,320 Speaker 1: backs of diamond eyed school children who growing into hymnals 7 00:00:32,360 --> 00:00:37,200 Speaker 1: recited by amethyst holding urban philosophers who recited neighborhood commandments 8 00:00:37,240 --> 00:00:40,680 Speaker 1: out of the windows of restored Alchemedo chariots. To keep 9 00:00:40,720 --> 00:00:46,080 Speaker 1: the warmth of their blood. Be wise, be smart, being black, 10 00:00:46,120 --> 00:00:50,720 Speaker 1: Opal Brown courts bloodstone and prayer. Be every form of 11 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:57,080 Speaker 1: Jim see King told, scribe, scribe told son, son, told wife, 12 00:00:57,480 --> 00:01:00,080 Speaker 1: wife told her daughter, and daughter told the ant. This 13 00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:03,000 Speaker 1: is at the instant has told me that you would 14 00:01:03,080 --> 00:01:07,559 Speaker 1: come to give wisdom thousand. They said you would come 15 00:01:08,319 --> 00:01:12,120 Speaker 1: dropping dropping them. Hey, welcome back to another episode of 16 00:01:12,120 --> 00:01:15,880 Speaker 1: the Dropping Jim's Podcast. As always, just me Debbie Brown. 17 00:01:16,040 --> 00:01:19,800 Speaker 1: Today on the show, I have one of Instagram's favorite people. 18 00:01:20,760 --> 00:01:24,200 Speaker 1: I mean, this guy has had quite quite the last 19 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:28,800 Speaker 1: few years. He's a screenwriter. He is a TMZ senior producer. 20 00:01:29,280 --> 00:01:32,759 Speaker 1: He is host of the highly acclaimed The Red Pill 21 00:01:32,880 --> 00:01:35,840 Speaker 1: podcast also one of my favorite listens, and he's also 22 00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:41,440 Speaker 1: affectionately known as the Kanye slayer Um, the one, the 23 00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:45,319 Speaker 1: Only Van Lathane And thank you very much. By the way, 24 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:48,240 Speaker 1: I prefer the Kanye whisper because we don't we don't 25 00:01:48,240 --> 00:01:51,880 Speaker 1: slay each other. We call each other in Oh, that's 26 00:01:51,920 --> 00:01:55,520 Speaker 1: so soulful. Yeah, Like, the reality is that they looked 27 00:01:55,560 --> 00:01:58,680 Speaker 1: at it as something way more novel than it actually 28 00:01:58,840 --> 00:02:02,960 Speaker 1: was explained. That could be anybody, anyone that had that 29 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:07,600 Speaker 1: has had that amount of success, that amount of pressure 30 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:11,000 Speaker 1: on them, can get up there in a moment and 31 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:14,280 Speaker 1: sort of become something different or mutated or perverted from 32 00:02:14,320 --> 00:02:16,040 Speaker 1: what we thought that they were or what they even 33 00:02:16,040 --> 00:02:18,480 Speaker 1: thought that they were. Right, if you forget about what 34 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:22,680 Speaker 1: we think, if you showed that version of Kanye West 35 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:26,160 Speaker 1: to Kanye West from two thousand and four, he'd be like, 36 00:02:26,200 --> 00:02:29,680 Speaker 1: that's not possible, Like he'd said that that would never happen, 37 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:33,280 Speaker 1: not to me. And that's part of the reason why 38 00:02:33,480 --> 00:02:36,720 Speaker 1: it was so hard for a lot of people to 39 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:42,320 Speaker 1: grasp it, because it went so counter to what we knew. 40 00:02:42,520 --> 00:02:44,400 Speaker 1: It was. So on the other side of it. Well, 41 00:02:44,520 --> 00:02:46,760 Speaker 1: that's interesting. I would challenge that a little bit because 42 00:02:46,880 --> 00:02:49,800 Speaker 1: I don't know if it's counter to what we knew 43 00:02:49,919 --> 00:02:53,040 Speaker 1: or if it's countered to our own projections on Kanye 44 00:02:53,080 --> 00:02:55,760 Speaker 1: of who we perceived him to be or wanted him 45 00:02:55,800 --> 00:02:58,120 Speaker 1: to be, or assumed him to be. So he had 46 00:02:58,160 --> 00:03:00,560 Speaker 1: always been that guy, but we were ever under the 47 00:03:00,600 --> 00:03:02,800 Speaker 1: gun right. So what I would say is that when 48 00:03:02,880 --> 00:03:07,560 Speaker 1: Kanye West came out, the music was very soulful and 49 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:12,080 Speaker 1: very sort of affirming, um to what I would be 50 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:15,520 Speaker 1: considered the I would consider, should I say the culture right. 51 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:19,359 Speaker 1: It was always about how when you look at songs 52 00:03:19,400 --> 00:03:22,919 Speaker 1: like crack music, when you look at songs um like, 53 00:03:22,960 --> 00:03:25,320 Speaker 1: all falls down. It was all things that had to 54 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:28,919 Speaker 1: do with issues that went on inside the black community 55 00:03:28,919 --> 00:03:31,760 Speaker 1: and how he understood them, um, and how he felt 56 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:33,400 Speaker 1: like there was a bigger game being played against us. 57 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:34,880 Speaker 1: And then when he would open his mouth and he 58 00:03:34,880 --> 00:03:38,040 Speaker 1: would say things like, um uh, George Bush doesn't care 59 00:03:38,040 --> 00:03:40,760 Speaker 1: about Black people. So he was always going on these rants, 60 00:03:40,800 --> 00:03:44,000 Speaker 1: but we were never the people that he was ranting against. 61 00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:47,160 Speaker 1: And what it seemed like what happened was we made 62 00:03:47,200 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 1: his gun like really big right with that cultural weapon 63 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:53,119 Speaker 1: that he willed willed it that he willed it now 64 00:03:53,640 --> 00:03:56,880 Speaker 1: fairly or unfairly against Taylor Swift, or against George Bush, 65 00:03:57,120 --> 00:03:59,840 Speaker 1: against whomever. We just made the gun bigger. This was 66 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:02,920 Speaker 1: as Yea being Yea, and we accepted it right as 67 00:04:02,960 --> 00:04:05,960 Speaker 1: a member of our family who sometimes goes off, but 68 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:08,760 Speaker 1: this member of our family doesn't go off on other 69 00:04:08,800 --> 00:04:11,440 Speaker 1: members of the family. He goes off on the cops 70 00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:16,400 Speaker 1: or the mailman or whoever. It was jarring to see 71 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:20,560 Speaker 1: him using on us. It was jarring to see him 72 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:24,440 Speaker 1: side with with with President Trump, or to say that 73 00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:28,200 Speaker 1: our ancestors were in some way complicit in the situations 74 00:04:28,240 --> 00:04:30,440 Speaker 1: that they were in. And for me personally, having having 75 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:32,800 Speaker 1: been someone who was such a fan, I was incredibly 76 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:36,039 Speaker 1: let down. But really what I wanted to do more 77 00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:38,360 Speaker 1: in that moment was not having anything happened for me, 78 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:41,760 Speaker 1: was to remind him of who he was as brothers 79 00:04:41,760 --> 00:04:43,960 Speaker 1: in the human experience, as brothers and sisters in the 80 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:49,120 Speaker 1: human experience. Everyone at some point, everybody need somebody to 81 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:52,640 Speaker 1: remind him of who they are. Simba in the Lion 82 00:04:52,760 --> 00:04:55,760 Speaker 1: King needed someone to remind him of who he was. 83 00:04:55,800 --> 00:04:57,800 Speaker 1: Like Simba is like yo, man, I'm walking around and 84 00:04:57,920 --> 00:05:00,720 Speaker 1: like I'm not my dad's son, freaky ring symbol over 85 00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:02,360 Speaker 1: to the thing. I think it was what you can't remember. No, 86 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:05,279 Speaker 1: it was one of the whatever. So look at you, like, 87 00:05:05,400 --> 00:05:08,440 Speaker 1: look at your reflection, like that's your dad. I see 88 00:05:08,480 --> 00:05:10,960 Speaker 1: your father right there, Like, remind you who you are. 89 00:05:11,520 --> 00:05:14,560 Speaker 1: And I think as human beings, we can't be afraid 90 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:17,719 Speaker 1: to do that. And it's coming from me too, because 91 00:05:17,760 --> 00:05:19,480 Speaker 1: as much as you're trying to juggle, as much as 92 00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:22,680 Speaker 1: you're trying to do sometimes you can start believing people, 93 00:05:23,040 --> 00:05:24,760 Speaker 1: believing the things that people think about you, and you 94 00:05:24,760 --> 00:05:26,440 Speaker 1: can lose a side of who you are. It's so 95 00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:29,480 Speaker 1: important to not believe. Really take a lot of stock 96 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:33,160 Speaker 1: in either side of that, right, don't listen to the criticism, 97 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:35,360 Speaker 1: don't listen to the praise, because both of them can 98 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:38,359 Speaker 1: contort you into a version of yourself that's not authentic. 99 00:05:38,640 --> 00:05:41,080 Speaker 1: And it's so hard to do. It's so hard to 100 00:05:41,120 --> 00:05:44,720 Speaker 1: not be destroyed by the criticism and exalted by the praise. 101 00:05:45,400 --> 00:05:51,040 Speaker 1: It's so hard. But that's why anything that has to 102 00:05:51,080 --> 00:05:55,560 Speaker 1: do with sort of aligning yourself and becoming a better 103 00:05:55,680 --> 00:06:01,880 Speaker 1: you and taking time out, um, that's why I really 104 00:06:01,960 --> 00:06:06,000 Speaker 1: and am receptive and open to it because you have 105 00:06:06,080 --> 00:06:08,200 Speaker 1: to have a strong base so that someone doesn't tip 106 00:06:08,240 --> 00:06:11,240 Speaker 1: you over, because you can get tipped over in either way. Well. 107 00:06:11,279 --> 00:06:13,679 Speaker 1: And the thing to it like about having a strong base, 108 00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:17,120 Speaker 1: because I think so easily, especially now that like positivity 109 00:06:17,200 --> 00:06:19,240 Speaker 1: is so on trend and doing the work is so 110 00:06:19,320 --> 00:06:22,320 Speaker 1: on trend, people have a wrong assumption of what the 111 00:06:22,360 --> 00:06:25,520 Speaker 1: work is, right, Like, the work isn't just positive thinking. 112 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:27,920 Speaker 1: It isn't just like hey, you know, I'm I'm gonna 113 00:06:28,320 --> 00:06:30,560 Speaker 1: I'm gonna be like the calid I'm just oh, everything 114 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:33,080 Speaker 1: is positive, were the best, It's all good. It's like 115 00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:36,000 Speaker 1: excavating the darkness, you know what I mean. It's like 116 00:06:36,160 --> 00:06:40,120 Speaker 1: really taking time to go through like an inquisition of 117 00:06:40,200 --> 00:06:43,120 Speaker 1: sorts of yourself. You know, like you have to excavate 118 00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:46,200 Speaker 1: to authentically be that version, because if you're just playing 119 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:47,880 Speaker 1: the role and you're saying all the right quotes and 120 00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:49,960 Speaker 1: you're doing the right things, it's the cancer, you know, 121 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:52,640 Speaker 1: it's the band aid on the cancer. You're not. Actually, 122 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:55,240 Speaker 1: it's not a sustainable life for you. You will still 123 00:06:55,279 --> 00:06:58,320 Speaker 1: crash and burn, you will still make really sometimes awful, 124 00:06:58,360 --> 00:07:01,159 Speaker 1: painful choices. You know, you have to go past just 125 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:04,960 Speaker 1: the quote that you connect to that you see and really, um, 126 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:07,600 Speaker 1: fall in love with the light and the dark aspects 127 00:07:07,600 --> 00:07:09,440 Speaker 1: of who you are because they're both you a couple 128 00:07:09,480 --> 00:07:11,120 Speaker 1: of things jop at me. But I think falling in 129 00:07:11,160 --> 00:07:13,400 Speaker 1: love with the light and the dark aspects of who 130 00:07:13,400 --> 00:07:15,520 Speaker 1: you are something that happened for me, like doing a 131 00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:19,880 Speaker 1: really alone period in my life, like when UM with 132 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:23,800 Speaker 1: my way really blown and everybody else's experience in life 133 00:07:23,800 --> 00:07:26,440 Speaker 1: life right after right towards the end of college and 134 00:07:26,520 --> 00:07:30,080 Speaker 1: right after college, it was just weird. What was your 135 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:34,760 Speaker 1: highest point? Three? Really? Yeah. I remember when you first 136 00:07:34,760 --> 00:07:37,480 Speaker 1: told me that you used to be heavier. I was like, 137 00:07:37,520 --> 00:07:40,280 Speaker 1: what how? And you had to like physically pull out 138 00:07:40,280 --> 00:07:42,800 Speaker 1: a picture and show me. Because you're very healthy, like 139 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:45,440 Speaker 1: you're always working out, You're always you know, very conscious 140 00:07:45,440 --> 00:07:47,800 Speaker 1: and what you're eating, and so I think and so 141 00:07:48,280 --> 00:07:50,960 Speaker 1: like even that is a part of the work aspect, 142 00:07:51,040 --> 00:07:54,360 Speaker 1: right when you talk about the sort of the discipline 143 00:07:54,400 --> 00:07:56,680 Speaker 1: that you have to have in order to be a 144 00:07:56,840 --> 00:08:00,440 Speaker 1: spiritually centered person, Yeah, that discipline is important so many 145 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:02,080 Speaker 1: areas of your life. And I think I had to 146 00:08:02,160 --> 00:08:04,520 Speaker 1: learn that. What I thought was that the fact that 147 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:06,360 Speaker 1: I was a decent guy or trying to be a 148 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:09,560 Speaker 1: decent guy. Was gonna be enough for people in the 149 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:13,000 Speaker 1: world to be receptive to who I am. It was 150 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:15,000 Speaker 1: gonna be enough for me to feel good about myself. 151 00:08:15,080 --> 00:08:17,200 Speaker 1: But there were so many areas of me that I 152 00:08:17,240 --> 00:08:19,840 Speaker 1: wasn't really working on. And there were so many things 153 00:08:19,880 --> 00:08:22,720 Speaker 1: about myself that I didn't like that I wasn't willing 154 00:08:22,760 --> 00:08:26,400 Speaker 1: to put the work in, uh to sort of fix. 155 00:08:27,320 --> 00:08:31,160 Speaker 1: And two things happened. One thing that happened was that 156 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:34,839 Speaker 1: the parts of me that other people thought we're bad 157 00:08:35,679 --> 00:08:40,960 Speaker 1: or were shameful, um, I leaned into them. I leaned 158 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:42,960 Speaker 1: into them because for a long time I thought they 159 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:45,679 Speaker 1: were the truest part of me. Like, give me, give 160 00:08:45,760 --> 00:08:49,000 Speaker 1: me an illustration of what that would look like. Um, 161 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:56,680 Speaker 1: what what were those characteristics? Uh? The fact that whereever 162 00:08:56,920 --> 00:09:02,720 Speaker 1: I was, I would pick an intellectual fight because for me, 163 00:09:03,400 --> 00:09:05,800 Speaker 1: the only way to prove my worth was to let 164 00:09:05,880 --> 00:09:09,240 Speaker 1: people know that I was smart. The only way for 165 00:09:09,280 --> 00:09:11,360 Speaker 1: me to prove my worth the only Like we're in 166 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:14,200 Speaker 1: a room, right, and my homies are dressed nice, right, 167 00:09:14,559 --> 00:09:16,880 Speaker 1: my clothes come from the big and Tall store. It's 168 00:09:17,160 --> 00:09:19,240 Speaker 1: very hard for me to talk about this, Like my 169 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:22,160 Speaker 1: homies are my homies are dressed nice. My clothes come 170 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:25,520 Speaker 1: from the big and tall store. They're all like super 171 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:30,720 Speaker 1: handsome and and and like really with it, and everyone 172 00:09:30,800 --> 00:09:33,720 Speaker 1: loves him and I don't have that same thing. I'm sweating, 173 00:09:33,760 --> 00:09:37,320 Speaker 1: I'm uncomfortable. It's the whole nine, right. I was waiting 174 00:09:37,440 --> 00:09:42,760 Speaker 1: for a moment in this entire deal to assert myself intellectually. 175 00:09:43,640 --> 00:09:46,080 Speaker 1: I'm waiting for a moment where someone says something for 176 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:50,160 Speaker 1: me to be like no, actually, and then when that happens, 177 00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:53,160 Speaker 1: my guys goes. My guys go, oh, that's man, he's 178 00:09:53,160 --> 00:09:55,120 Speaker 1: a smart guy. So that was the thing that I 179 00:09:55,120 --> 00:09:58,240 Speaker 1: would do so for a long time. That was both 180 00:09:58,280 --> 00:10:01,440 Speaker 1: a defense mechanism, but it also made me realize that 181 00:10:01,720 --> 00:10:05,719 Speaker 1: excuse me. It made me get smarter. It forced me 182 00:10:05,800 --> 00:10:09,480 Speaker 1: to dive into knowledge, knowledge that a lot of times 183 00:10:09,520 --> 00:10:11,520 Speaker 1: at that point in my life wasn't useful, but that 184 00:10:11,640 --> 00:10:15,160 Speaker 1: now it's really useful. So uh. It was a flaw 185 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:18,960 Speaker 1: that I like, definitely a flaw in to insecurity that 186 00:10:19,120 --> 00:10:21,720 Speaker 1: ended up becoming a part of my personality and now 187 00:10:21,800 --> 00:10:26,440 Speaker 1: it's something that I try to use to bring people together. 188 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:29,600 Speaker 1: Isn't life so dope? In that way? Like when you 189 00:10:29,600 --> 00:10:31,160 Speaker 1: get to a point that you can look back on 190 00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:34,560 Speaker 1: things with that vision like life is so fire in 191 00:10:34,600 --> 00:10:38,640 Speaker 1: that way where we don't realize how we came to 192 00:10:38,679 --> 00:10:40,480 Speaker 1: be where we are. And then you look at all 193 00:10:40,520 --> 00:10:43,079 Speaker 1: the tiny little steps and all of the little tools 194 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:45,240 Speaker 1: you picked up along the way, Like there's stuff that 195 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:48,600 Speaker 1: helps me today that I learned selling ice cream out 196 00:10:48,600 --> 00:10:50,320 Speaker 1: of the Albert Sins grocery store when I was in 197 00:10:50,360 --> 00:10:54,920 Speaker 1: high school. That was the joint. Abusince was the nice 198 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:56,400 Speaker 1: joint back in the day. But you know what I mean, 199 00:10:56,440 --> 00:10:58,680 Speaker 1: like things and and that's like I don't know to 200 00:10:58,760 --> 00:11:01,440 Speaker 1: me that that's one of the more beautiful things about 201 00:11:01,520 --> 00:11:04,240 Speaker 1: being on you know, this journey that's so called you know, 202 00:11:04,240 --> 00:11:06,400 Speaker 1: I always say it like that because it's so like 203 00:11:06,480 --> 00:11:11,360 Speaker 1: overused now with that journey. Um, it's it's that space 204 00:11:11,440 --> 00:11:14,440 Speaker 1: where you can be in the midst of the yen 205 00:11:14,520 --> 00:11:16,480 Speaker 1: and the yang of who you are, right the light 206 00:11:16,559 --> 00:11:18,360 Speaker 1: in the dark, the dark in the light, Like the 207 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:22,920 Speaker 1: same thing that was for you like probably harmful to people, 208 00:11:23,040 --> 00:11:27,480 Speaker 1: probably was away. Yeah. Really it's minimizing. My dues would 209 00:11:27,480 --> 00:11:30,800 Speaker 1: be like like my dudes would be like, yo, you know, 210 00:11:30,840 --> 00:11:32,600 Speaker 1: we over here to get some asks, like you messing 211 00:11:32,640 --> 00:11:35,880 Speaker 1: the whole situation of by bringing the abortion debate up. 212 00:11:36,200 --> 00:11:41,120 Speaker 1: God were these One time shout out to a girl 213 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:45,160 Speaker 1: named Keisha Karmuse. We're at Keisha's house and we were 214 00:11:45,160 --> 00:11:49,160 Speaker 1: all sitting around playing spades and some kind of way, 215 00:11:49,440 --> 00:11:51,400 Speaker 1: Keisha brought up some girl to have been with some 216 00:11:51,520 --> 00:11:54,320 Speaker 1: Kappa guy and she got pregnant and she was thinking 217 00:11:54,320 --> 00:11:56,760 Speaker 1: about having an abortion, and they started talking about it, 218 00:11:56,840 --> 00:12:00,040 Speaker 1: and I swooped in and me and her started on. 219 00:12:00,679 --> 00:12:04,000 Speaker 1: And I remember my boy Briant, who had come over 220 00:12:04,040 --> 00:12:07,680 Speaker 1: there specifically that night to kick it with her. He goes, well, 221 00:12:08,640 --> 00:12:10,360 Speaker 1: she piste off. She did, stormed away and going into 222 00:12:10,400 --> 00:12:12,440 Speaker 1: the room, I fucking got dressed up for nothing. And 223 00:12:12,480 --> 00:12:14,600 Speaker 1: then and then and then he have so a lot 224 00:12:14,600 --> 00:12:16,880 Speaker 1: of times I would spoil to set, but it was 225 00:12:16,880 --> 00:12:19,880 Speaker 1: the only way I could be seen. Yes, it was 226 00:12:19,920 --> 00:12:21,880 Speaker 1: the only time that it was the only it was 227 00:12:21,920 --> 00:12:25,880 Speaker 1: the only place that I felt comfortable. Um So after 228 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:29,640 Speaker 1: a while, it just it. And now I think people 229 00:12:29,640 --> 00:12:33,559 Speaker 1: look to me not so much for calm, for for confrontation. 230 00:12:34,160 --> 00:12:39,080 Speaker 1: They really want somebody else that can translate culture and 231 00:12:39,080 --> 00:12:41,760 Speaker 1: help them understand the world a little bit better. And 232 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:43,200 Speaker 1: I think it's not so much that I have a 233 00:12:43,240 --> 00:12:45,240 Speaker 1: talent for doing that. It's just so much that I'm 234 00:12:45,280 --> 00:12:48,720 Speaker 1: willing to do it that it's that it's something that 235 00:12:48,760 --> 00:12:53,320 Speaker 1: I enjoy doing. Um, And that was out of necessity. 236 00:12:53,800 --> 00:12:56,400 Speaker 1: So often the darker parts of who we are, or 237 00:12:56,440 --> 00:12:59,160 Speaker 1: the things that that we're using to like cover up 238 00:12:59,200 --> 00:13:03,480 Speaker 1: these traumas, are our superpower. They ended up becoming that. Yeah, 239 00:13:03,559 --> 00:13:05,520 Speaker 1: and it was, it was, and it was for a 240 00:13:05,559 --> 00:13:10,960 Speaker 1: long time. Uh just understood that that was about me. 241 00:13:11,080 --> 00:13:15,760 Speaker 1: And so when even me think about that, even the 242 00:13:15,840 --> 00:13:18,200 Speaker 1: back and forth between him and me, that's what that was. 243 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:21,880 Speaker 1: That was him turning around and going, Yo, does it 244 00:13:22,640 --> 00:13:26,000 Speaker 1: I feel like I'm speaking freely and me going no, Actually, 245 00:13:26,559 --> 00:13:28,400 Speaker 1: do you think that he thought your answer was going 246 00:13:28,440 --> 00:13:30,600 Speaker 1: to be like yes, Kanye. I don't know what he thought, 247 00:13:30,920 --> 00:13:33,679 Speaker 1: but I do know one thing that the ancestors are 248 00:13:33,679 --> 00:13:35,680 Speaker 1: still inside of his soul because once he once I 249 00:13:35,679 --> 00:13:38,520 Speaker 1: started talking, all he did was listen. He came back 250 00:13:38,520 --> 00:13:40,480 Speaker 1: a little bit while I'm listening to dude while he's out, 251 00:13:40,520 --> 00:13:44,240 Speaker 1: I don't know, I'm not. I haven't forgotten or I mean, 252 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:46,520 Speaker 1: it's not up to me to forgive, so, but I 253 00:13:46,559 --> 00:13:48,640 Speaker 1: haven't forgotten anything that he said. And really he hasn't 254 00:13:48,679 --> 00:13:50,679 Speaker 1: moved off anything. He said, So that is what it is. 255 00:13:51,320 --> 00:13:53,760 Speaker 1: But I got through to him, and I think that 256 00:13:53,840 --> 00:13:56,720 Speaker 1: anytime you're talking to someone, did you guys have more conversation? 257 00:13:57,520 --> 00:14:01,160 Speaker 1: Called that night? You called that night? We exchanged emails 258 00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:04,439 Speaker 1: and he was very very forthright about what he felt 259 00:14:04,440 --> 00:14:06,280 Speaker 1: like he couldn't do, what he feels like he can't 260 00:14:06,280 --> 00:14:09,320 Speaker 1: do um, and what he feels like he can do, 261 00:14:09,760 --> 00:14:13,959 Speaker 1: and how he feels like, uh, we need to protect 262 00:14:14,040 --> 00:14:17,440 Speaker 1: him and some un solicited thoughts that he has about 263 00:14:17,520 --> 00:14:21,200 Speaker 1: other rappers that I didn't even ask him, so so 264 00:14:21,880 --> 00:14:26,120 Speaker 1: I didn't even ask you so uh But yeah, so 265 00:14:26,240 --> 00:14:28,560 Speaker 1: you know I look at things in totality. Now you 266 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:31,400 Speaker 1: know that hasn't been one part. And it was like 267 00:14:31,800 --> 00:14:35,160 Speaker 1: I said, it was a It was a portion of 268 00:14:35,160 --> 00:14:38,640 Speaker 1: my life where I developed a lot of addictions. Um, 269 00:14:38,720 --> 00:14:43,240 Speaker 1: some that are unhealthy. Uh is it porn? I just 270 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:45,160 Speaker 1: I just saw the video that you put on your 271 00:14:45,200 --> 00:14:48,040 Speaker 1: Instagram before you came over and you and you were 272 00:14:48,040 --> 00:14:51,200 Speaker 1: talking about point. I said, oh, Van, what but like 273 00:14:51,240 --> 00:14:53,640 Speaker 1: he was at a I was three seventy five. I 274 00:14:53,680 --> 00:14:57,040 Speaker 1: had to like that, I said, that needs what do 275 00:14:57,080 --> 00:14:58,680 Speaker 1: you want me to like? And I wasn't like a 276 00:14:58,760 --> 00:15:02,200 Speaker 1: three seventy five move it around. I was like, it was, 277 00:15:03,400 --> 00:15:09,040 Speaker 1: it wasn't like I love That's why I loved Biggie's 278 00:15:09,040 --> 00:15:12,280 Speaker 1: because I would look. I really looked up to fast 279 00:15:12,360 --> 00:15:15,000 Speaker 1: moved dudes, man, because they had so you don't have 280 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:18,120 Speaker 1: much confidence. You gotta have to be Biggie. You gotta 281 00:15:18,160 --> 00:15:22,600 Speaker 1: have the utmost confidence to be Biggie pun any of 282 00:15:22,640 --> 00:15:26,120 Speaker 1: those guys. Right, But so that addiction happened in But 283 00:15:26,520 --> 00:15:29,800 Speaker 1: you know, it's weird that once I got on TMZ, 284 00:15:30,600 --> 00:15:32,480 Speaker 1: it was it ended just being ended up just being 285 00:15:32,520 --> 00:15:35,040 Speaker 1: another pocket of knowledge. They would say something and they 286 00:15:35,040 --> 00:15:36,720 Speaker 1: would be a bunch of porn stars in the post 287 00:15:36,800 --> 00:15:39,080 Speaker 1: or the picture. I'd be like, oh that's boom boom boom, 288 00:15:39,120 --> 00:15:41,200 Speaker 1: boom boom. And it started to become a point to 289 00:15:41,200 --> 00:15:43,760 Speaker 1: where they felt like there was nothing that I didn't know. 290 00:15:44,480 --> 00:15:48,040 Speaker 1: And not not that that's true, and that's an arrogant 291 00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:49,760 Speaker 1: thing to say, but that's how they felt the only 292 00:15:49,760 --> 00:15:52,640 Speaker 1: reason why they felt that way is because I spent 293 00:15:53,080 --> 00:15:57,640 Speaker 1: five years alone just filling my brain up with things 294 00:15:58,240 --> 00:16:02,000 Speaker 1: not even thinks. Some of them were um uh were 295 00:16:02,560 --> 00:16:05,920 Speaker 1: we're unhealthy. Some of them were really healthy, but just 296 00:16:06,560 --> 00:16:08,800 Speaker 1: time that people don't spend like in their twenties when 297 00:16:08,800 --> 00:16:10,480 Speaker 1: you're out, like spending a lot of your time on 298 00:16:10,560 --> 00:16:12,680 Speaker 1: other people in parties and having fun and stuff like that. 299 00:16:13,240 --> 00:16:18,680 Speaker 1: I was just by myself, writing, figuring me out, diving 300 00:16:18,720 --> 00:16:21,680 Speaker 1: into things that I loved, trying to understand the world, 301 00:16:21,840 --> 00:16:25,840 Speaker 1: really developing all of these things that at that point 302 00:16:25,840 --> 00:16:30,200 Speaker 1: we're unhealthy, but then actually became big parts of my personality. 303 00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:31,720 Speaker 1: And then one day I just decided, you know what, 304 00:16:32,600 --> 00:16:35,280 Speaker 1: if I'm ever going to be the person that I 305 00:16:35,320 --> 00:16:39,200 Speaker 1: want to be, I gotta lose weight. And then I 306 00:16:39,240 --> 00:16:42,360 Speaker 1: just did it, and so and then after that I 307 00:16:42,440 --> 00:16:46,400 Speaker 1: came out of it armed with obviously some bad habits, 308 00:16:46,440 --> 00:16:50,160 Speaker 1: but also with a lot of habits that, uh, when 309 00:16:50,160 --> 00:16:53,280 Speaker 1: you put me in the situation, I'm not afraid. I 310 00:16:54,120 --> 00:16:56,000 Speaker 1: to to speak my mind. But I also know how 311 00:16:56,040 --> 00:16:59,760 Speaker 1: to build bridges to people, and that's actually more important, 312 00:17:00,480 --> 00:17:03,080 Speaker 1: Like when you leave a conversation with someone, and I 313 00:17:03,120 --> 00:17:07,479 Speaker 1: see people that do this all the time. Um, winning 314 00:17:07,480 --> 00:17:09,600 Speaker 1: in an argument is much less important than winning a 315 00:17:09,720 --> 00:17:15,200 Speaker 1: human because you can you can make an ally even 316 00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:18,440 Speaker 1: when you disagree, because when you're really talking to someone 317 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:20,679 Speaker 1: and they know that you're sincere about what you're saying, 318 00:17:21,119 --> 00:17:23,040 Speaker 1: and they know that you're that you're passionate about it. 319 00:17:23,040 --> 00:17:26,560 Speaker 1: Even if they don't agree with you, the vibration and 320 00:17:26,600 --> 00:17:29,600 Speaker 1: the energy that they're given to that you're a serious, 321 00:17:29,640 --> 00:17:32,280 Speaker 1: thoughtful person will mean a lot to them. That's much 322 00:17:32,280 --> 00:17:35,119 Speaker 1: more important than proving your point, because there's going to 323 00:17:35,200 --> 00:17:37,040 Speaker 1: be something that you're gonna agree with that person on 324 00:17:37,160 --> 00:17:39,520 Speaker 1: down the line where humans we're gonna agree at some point, 325 00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:42,280 Speaker 1: And when you have that ally and you can make 326 00:17:42,359 --> 00:17:46,600 Speaker 1: use of it, it's much better than intellectually subjugating somebody 327 00:17:46,880 --> 00:17:48,639 Speaker 1: and having them leave a room thinking that person is 328 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:51,640 Speaker 1: smarter than me. Well, because what's the real outcome you're 329 00:17:51,680 --> 00:17:53,800 Speaker 1: looking for, Like, what's the real agenda? That's what I 330 00:17:53,800 --> 00:17:56,480 Speaker 1: think about a lot, because we have so much dialogue 331 00:17:56,480 --> 00:18:00,359 Speaker 1: happening that is at opposite ends of the world right 332 00:18:00,440 --> 00:18:02,800 Speaker 1: right now, Like when you're talking about politics and policy 333 00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:06,680 Speaker 1: and just overall basic lifestyle and belief systems. It's like, 334 00:18:07,800 --> 00:18:11,200 Speaker 1: if you are seeking to prove someone wrong, you're not 335 00:18:11,320 --> 00:18:14,080 Speaker 1: actually seeking for them to change in a meaningful way, 336 00:18:14,320 --> 00:18:17,480 Speaker 1: and you're not extending any compassion, and nothing positive can 337 00:18:17,480 --> 00:18:19,679 Speaker 1: grow out of that time You proved your point, but 338 00:18:19,760 --> 00:18:22,959 Speaker 1: now you have offended them, so they're going to dive 339 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:25,520 Speaker 1: even deeper into their wrongness. They're going to be even 340 00:18:25,560 --> 00:18:28,440 Speaker 1: more loud and wrong because now you're affecting their ego 341 00:18:28,600 --> 00:18:31,320 Speaker 1: and what you really get. You have the personal satisfaction 342 00:18:31,320 --> 00:18:33,760 Speaker 1: of knowing you're right, But then what else you know? What? 343 00:18:33,880 --> 00:18:38,200 Speaker 1: I mean? You you're you're right? I mean what you 344 00:18:38,240 --> 00:18:43,720 Speaker 1: should always the the purpose of any back and forth 345 00:18:44,320 --> 00:18:46,879 Speaker 1: should not be to to make someone even come to 346 00:18:46,920 --> 00:18:49,640 Speaker 1: your side. It should be to let somebody know how 347 00:18:49,640 --> 00:18:52,640 Speaker 1: serious you are about what it is you're talking and 348 00:18:52,800 --> 00:18:54,440 Speaker 1: the fact that you know what it is that you're 349 00:18:54,440 --> 00:18:56,879 Speaker 1: talking about, because and that's the thing a lot of 350 00:18:56,880 --> 00:18:58,880 Speaker 1: people aren't doing right now, like you have to actually 351 00:18:58,960 --> 00:19:02,240 Speaker 1: arm yourself with knowledge. I don't just respect opinions. I'm 352 00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:07,320 Speaker 1: not gonna waste my time bantering and having dialogue about 353 00:19:07,359 --> 00:19:09,919 Speaker 1: opinion based stuff because it doesn't matter and time is 354 00:19:09,920 --> 00:19:12,400 Speaker 1: too valuable for me to waste it on that, right. 355 00:19:12,760 --> 00:19:16,280 Speaker 1: But it's like everybody now, especially with social media, can 356 00:19:17,040 --> 00:19:19,439 Speaker 1: add their thoughts, add their you know, their couple of 357 00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:21,960 Speaker 1: cents on things, but no one is actually arming themselves 358 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:24,960 Speaker 1: with the knowledge to articulately, articulate in a in a 359 00:19:25,040 --> 00:19:27,920 Speaker 1: meaningful way, or to have facts or to have anything 360 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:32,080 Speaker 1: that does that creates any level of change from this conversation. 361 00:19:32,600 --> 00:19:35,040 Speaker 1: Like that, that part feels frustrating to me at this 362 00:19:35,119 --> 00:19:38,760 Speaker 1: moment in history, Like there's so many conversations happening, but 363 00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:42,359 Speaker 1: so few of them are actually seeking outcomes that are 364 00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:46,119 Speaker 1: beneficial for anybody. It's just like to hear yourself and 365 00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:49,320 Speaker 1: to win, you know. Yeah, I think that's the So 366 00:19:49,520 --> 00:19:52,800 Speaker 1: Max Caleman, who's his boxing analysts, right, he has this 367 00:19:53,080 --> 00:19:58,000 Speaker 1: really awesome analogy that he uses. He'll ask somebody. He'll 368 00:19:58,040 --> 00:20:00,440 Speaker 1: be like, what's your favorite sport? And somebody goal basketball 369 00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:02,760 Speaker 1: and goals football. He go, no, your favorite supporters boxing 370 00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:06,600 Speaker 1: And they'll be like why hell, he says, okay. So 371 00:20:06,680 --> 00:20:08,960 Speaker 1: let's say you you, you, you. You get to the 372 00:20:09,040 --> 00:20:11,399 Speaker 1: end of a block, and there are four things that 373 00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:12,879 Speaker 1: are happening on the end of that block. It's a 374 00:20:12,920 --> 00:20:16,840 Speaker 1: block on on an American street. There's a basketball game 375 00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:20,520 Speaker 1: being played with one on one. There's some kids playing 376 00:20:20,560 --> 00:20:25,399 Speaker 1: stickball okay um, and then there's some kids playing street 377 00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:28,280 Speaker 1: hockey right, and then on the other side of the 378 00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:31,480 Speaker 1: block there are two people fighting which one are you 379 00:20:31,520 --> 00:20:38,359 Speaker 1: going to watch? And if you're being honest, you're gonna watch. Okay. 380 00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:43,240 Speaker 1: So he says that there's something inside of us as 381 00:20:43,320 --> 00:20:47,200 Speaker 1: human beings, um, and I don't. I really can't argue 382 00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:50,439 Speaker 1: with them. There's something inside of us as does that 383 00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:54,840 Speaker 1: waterfall stay on all the time? Devi's wealthy that does 384 00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:58,800 Speaker 1: that always go? H? It turns off as soon as 385 00:20:58,840 --> 00:21:02,600 Speaker 1: the when to pour people down? Yeah? Yeah, right, okay, 386 00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:05,800 Speaker 1: we just set the stage for you got a waterfall. 387 00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:08,280 Speaker 1: So we're at the ranch we're recording, um, and it's 388 00:21:08,280 --> 00:21:10,800 Speaker 1: really hot because where I built the studio for this 389 00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:14,160 Speaker 1: podcast there's no air conditioning. Then is a few hours 390 00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:16,399 Speaker 1: late until the sun change. Try to get to the 391 00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:18,840 Speaker 1: just get to them. I have to keep the windows 392 00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:21,760 Speaker 1: open right now so that we don't die. Um. So 393 00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:23,960 Speaker 1: he's staring at the pool. Well, what I'm saying is 394 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:26,520 Speaker 1: that she said all of that to try to make it. 395 00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:29,280 Speaker 1: She's got a waterfall in the pool and it's just running. 396 00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:32,159 Speaker 1: It's very very relaxing. But anyway, so what are just 397 00:21:32,680 --> 00:21:35,960 Speaker 1: what are he's saying is that it's nice? Well, like, like, 398 00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:39,159 Speaker 1: what are he's saying is that, uh, there's something inside 399 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:41,760 Speaker 1: of us as human beings. The reason why boxing is 400 00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:43,879 Speaker 1: your favorite sport is because there's something inside of us 401 00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:46,600 Speaker 1: as human beings that draws us to to to man 402 00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:49,280 Speaker 1: on man, woman on woman, human on human conflict, and 403 00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:50,800 Speaker 1: that thing is the thing that makes you want to 404 00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:53,000 Speaker 1: watch two people fight each other. Right, And if you 405 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:57,680 Speaker 1: study human civilization, that's very hard to argue because the 406 00:21:57,800 --> 00:22:01,399 Speaker 1: Romans built gigantic and we know that our Western European 407 00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:05,480 Speaker 1: friends are crazy, but the Romans built built gigantic status, 408 00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:07,320 Speaker 1: so the guys can fight and stuff like that. So 409 00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:11,560 Speaker 1: what's happened on social media is that whereas if you 410 00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:16,639 Speaker 1: get to people in the room and they they have 411 00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:20,960 Speaker 1: a conversation, there's a way that they relate to one another. 412 00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:26,600 Speaker 1: But if everyone's watching, there's a different way. There's a 413 00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:31,399 Speaker 1: certain level of performance to it. It's it's performative and 414 00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:34,440 Speaker 1: it's not want to lose your championship belt every time 415 00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:36,679 Speaker 1: you open your mouth. So I get people on the 416 00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:41,560 Speaker 1: podcast and the guys coming uh from the n r 417 00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:45,719 Speaker 1: A or UH from the shout out to Resislam, from 418 00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:47,480 Speaker 1: the Nation of Islam, or whoever is coming in there. 419 00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:50,440 Speaker 1: And when I get somebody on the podcast, my goal 420 00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:55,000 Speaker 1: is to not capitulate to anything that they say or 421 00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:58,080 Speaker 1: acquiesced everything that they said, but to understand them better. 422 00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:01,119 Speaker 1: That's the goal because that makes me smarter. Not they 423 00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:04,800 Speaker 1: say something that I think is wrong, then I'm gonna 424 00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:08,280 Speaker 1: push back a little bit like you did earlier. Um. 425 00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:10,959 Speaker 1: But seriously, that's what you should That's what to uh 426 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:14,560 Speaker 1: intelligent people should do one another. But what people do 427 00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:18,000 Speaker 1: in the comments section when they see somebody on there 428 00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:21,320 Speaker 1: that they disagree with, is they say, Van, why didn't 429 00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:24,640 Speaker 1: you get this person? Because what they want to see 430 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:26,960 Speaker 1: is not so much a conversation. They want to see 431 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:33,000 Speaker 1: their side win. And I understand that notion, but I 432 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:36,920 Speaker 1: mean that that's just in a nutshell explained Trump supporters 433 00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:43,920 Speaker 1: to me, right, they don't even know. They don't even 434 00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:48,560 Speaker 1: know that he's not talking about them, you see what 435 00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:51,080 Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like they don't even like, they don't even know, 436 00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:54,240 Speaker 1: they don't even know that they're on Obamacare on Obamacare, 437 00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:57,359 Speaker 1: they don't even they don't even know that when he's 438 00:23:57,400 --> 00:24:00,639 Speaker 1: talking about uh tack be cuts and the rest of 439 00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:03,680 Speaker 1: the things, that he's not really thinking about them. All 440 00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:09,320 Speaker 1: they know is that he's given someone to them to vilify. Yeah, 441 00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:12,639 Speaker 1: he's given a reason why they're not where things are 442 00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:15,919 Speaker 1: working for them. Yea. And even at an even less 443 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:20,760 Speaker 1: lower level than that, they picked a side and now 444 00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:25,120 Speaker 1: they want this right. He was precisely exactly what you said. 445 00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:27,199 Speaker 1: To order to have a side, you have to have 446 00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:31,520 Speaker 1: an enemy. So those people um which to a degree. 447 00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:33,359 Speaker 1: But it's like, you know how like for instance, like 448 00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:36,520 Speaker 1: you know, I mean clearly Trump lies at nauseum, right, 449 00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:39,080 Speaker 1: and so many things are unproven, and you can say 450 00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:42,280 Speaker 1: that to a Trump supporter like, well, here is exactly 451 00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:44,800 Speaker 1: let's go through this timeline. Here are the actual facts. 452 00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:49,879 Speaker 1: That's how this breaks down. But that desire, I already 453 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:52,840 Speaker 1: chose a side and I'm not switching it. So no 454 00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:57,040 Speaker 1: matter what you're telling me, for me to feel comfortable 455 00:24:57,080 --> 00:25:01,040 Speaker 1: with my life, I have to make myself the wire. 456 00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:04,480 Speaker 1: One of the greatest shows of all time. Slim Charles 457 00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:09,200 Speaker 1: Lord says it says what what Slim Charles from the 458 00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:13,800 Speaker 1: Wild You like, what did he say? He says, Uh, 459 00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:16,359 Speaker 1: we're going to war and if it's a lie, we 460 00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:20,920 Speaker 1: fight on that line ship like he said he say, 461 00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:22,680 Speaker 1: he said, were at war. And if it's a lie, 462 00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:27,240 Speaker 1: if it's a lie, we fight on that lot. At war, 463 00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:32,640 Speaker 1: will fight on the lie, not you forget about the fact. 464 00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:34,359 Speaker 1: And some of the people know that it's a lie, 465 00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:36,359 Speaker 1: and some of the people on the other side know 466 00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:40,080 Speaker 1: that they're lying. But everybody just loud and wrong. Everybody 467 00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:42,679 Speaker 1: just loud wrong, everybody at war. They're fighting on their 468 00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:45,280 Speaker 1: different lives. And how how sad is that? Like to 469 00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:47,720 Speaker 1: really sit and think about that, especially in the state 470 00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:50,040 Speaker 1: that our countries in right now, It's not sad. It's 471 00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:52,360 Speaker 1: going to be the end of the world. It's going 472 00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:55,879 Speaker 1: to be just going to destroy everything, everything. And and 473 00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:59,000 Speaker 1: because the first thing that they will destroy is the 474 00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:05,000 Speaker 1: one thing that we need. Two. Um, reach any type 475 00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:06,960 Speaker 1: of harmony, which I don't know that we've ever had 476 00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:12,760 Speaker 1: in human civilization, which is the understanding of another person. Um. 477 00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:18,800 Speaker 1: The most crucial element to civilization to me is empathy. 478 00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:23,959 Speaker 1: Because all civilization really is is a series of agreements 479 00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:27,040 Speaker 1: that are supposed to be in the best interests of 480 00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:31,199 Speaker 1: an interests of a large group. Right, So so what 481 00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:34,120 Speaker 1: I mean, what I mean is like, uh, we could 482 00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:36,439 Speaker 1: all drive as fast as we want it, right, but 483 00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:39,840 Speaker 1: we've made a decision that in order to keep everyone safe. 484 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:42,960 Speaker 1: This is the safe drive and speed, so we could 485 00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:48,520 Speaker 1: all really um like some of us are larger than others, right, 486 00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:52,040 Speaker 1: and if we were like the animal kingdom, well would happened? 487 00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:54,480 Speaker 1: Is the weaker ones and the smaller ones will will 488 00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:57,600 Speaker 1: get eaten. But what we've tried to do as a 489 00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:01,160 Speaker 1: as a civilization is to make rules to make sure 490 00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:06,919 Speaker 1: that people's basic rights are intact. Now Here in America 491 00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:09,439 Speaker 1: we've never really done a good job at that. In 492 00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:11,920 Speaker 1: other places they've done haven't done a great job at it. 493 00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:16,040 Speaker 1: But the purpose of civilization is supposed to be respecting 494 00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:21,320 Speaker 1: the good excuse me, respecting the needs of everyone. So 495 00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:23,640 Speaker 1: you make little, small treaties, as I say, a little 496 00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:25,280 Speaker 1: small treats that you're not gonna do this. You know. 497 00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:26,800 Speaker 1: That's where laws come from. This, where all of that 498 00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:31,720 Speaker 1: comes from. What's happening now is that people are using 499 00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:36,439 Speaker 1: opinions to differentiate humanity from one another. So if you 500 00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:38,320 Speaker 1: think this way, you're not a human being. If you 501 00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:40,040 Speaker 1: think that way, you're not a human being. And to 502 00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:43,119 Speaker 1: be honest with you, some of the thoughts are inhumane, 503 00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:48,480 Speaker 1: but they're being weaponized by people who know that they 504 00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:52,520 Speaker 1: are in order to build congregations of people that will 505 00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:55,560 Speaker 1: worship them. So what what what like? What Trump essentially 506 00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:58,600 Speaker 1: does is he comes along and he says, listen, um 507 00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:01,280 Speaker 1: and everyone, there's a guy that I read. His name 508 00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:04,120 Speaker 1: is no I'm Chomsky. He predicted that Trump would come 509 00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:06,320 Speaker 1: in like two thousand and ten or two thousand and eleven. 510 00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:09,359 Speaker 1: He said, what happened. What's happening is that the left 511 00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:14,639 Speaker 1: in America is overlooking a certain group of people. And 512 00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:18,239 Speaker 1: because they're overlooking these people, it leaves it right for 513 00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:21,440 Speaker 1: demigog to come along and say, Yo, this is why 514 00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:25,320 Speaker 1: you and and that's exactly That's exactly what happened. The 515 00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:29,280 Speaker 1: only difference in that now is that with social media, 516 00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:34,359 Speaker 1: you don't just have to see these things on the 517 00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:39,120 Speaker 1: evening news. You can inundate yourself into this type of 518 00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:45,640 Speaker 1: discourse all day long. It's so funny to say that 519 00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:48,680 Speaker 1: I just I just had a conversation about that. So 520 00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:50,480 Speaker 1: I'm in a lot of group chats, right like me 521 00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:52,680 Speaker 1: and my friends, Me and Dwayne, We're in a lot 522 00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:55,680 Speaker 1: of group chats. We send each other many, many ridiculous things, 523 00:28:55,800 --> 00:29:00,480 Speaker 1: and then sometimes you know, politics whatever, And I was listen, 524 00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:02,520 Speaker 1: I don't want to be part of this anymore. I 525 00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:05,160 Speaker 1: decided that this week because so I'm an EmPATH, right, 526 00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:09,800 Speaker 1: I am somebody that feels really deeply all the time. 527 00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:12,920 Speaker 1: So I rarely cry about myself for my life, but 528 00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:15,160 Speaker 1: if I see someone on the street crying, I will 529 00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:18,440 Speaker 1: start crying, right Like, I I feel very connected to 530 00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:22,760 Speaker 1: people's energies and emotions, um and just just a high 531 00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:28,760 Speaker 1: level of compassion, especially for dysfunction. Seeing those things is 532 00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:32,040 Speaker 1: really hurting my mental health and my emotional stability, like 533 00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:35,240 Speaker 1: every day, not being able to choose what I'm scrolling, 534 00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:38,120 Speaker 1: Like if I'm just looking at my timeline thumb moving, 535 00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:41,600 Speaker 1: I could see a dead child, I could see a 536 00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:43,920 Speaker 1: naked woman. I could see all kinds of things that 537 00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:46,520 Speaker 1: I did not choose to see in that day, but 538 00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:48,880 Speaker 1: I'm seeing just because I'm logged on to social media 539 00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:51,920 Speaker 1: and I need a break from it. I can't. I 540 00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:55,520 Speaker 1: can't function as the caliber of person that I want 541 00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:58,280 Speaker 1: to be and raise a one year old little boy 542 00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:00,360 Speaker 1: with the joy that I want to raise I'm with 543 00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:04,920 Speaker 1: If I am feeling so emotionally oppressed by the things 544 00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:07,560 Speaker 1: that are that are flashed at me in every moment, 545 00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:10,440 Speaker 1: you know, I know the world is bad. It's a 546 00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:14,240 Speaker 1: it's a really terrible place, um in a lot of ways, 547 00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:17,040 Speaker 1: and I'm doing the best that I can to aid 548 00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:20,640 Speaker 1: the world in my own way. Um, But being reminded 549 00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:22,920 Speaker 1: of how bad it if every single day is not 550 00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:27,880 Speaker 1: conducive to my emotional health. I couldn't agree more. UM. 551 00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:34,240 Speaker 1: I made a pact with myself two. This was after 552 00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:37,440 Speaker 1: we lost Nip, to never post anything violent on my 553 00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:40,520 Speaker 1: social media ever again, because I think that violence is 554 00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:44,960 Speaker 1: becoming too violence is becoming has become too commonplace. It's 555 00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:49,160 Speaker 1: too violence is too quick of a of a solution, 556 00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:51,680 Speaker 1: and it's been for a while. But just the fact 557 00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:58,800 Speaker 1: that he could be killed, Um, yeah, they just they 558 00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:00,960 Speaker 1: they killed him like that. It's just I don't understand. 559 00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:11,120 Speaker 1: But um. And then also images of black people being 560 00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:17,160 Speaker 1: sucked over. Uh, I'll never post anything like that ever again. 561 00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:21,120 Speaker 1: And that's not a shot at anyone. Awareness is very important, 562 00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:24,280 Speaker 1: and it's very people, very important for people to understand 563 00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:28,360 Speaker 1: the true nature of American society, the beginning of American society, 564 00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:31,400 Speaker 1: what American society is really about, what the country was 565 00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:34,840 Speaker 1: founded on, um, And how the system isn't broken, how 566 00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:40,000 Speaker 1: it's not broken, how the system is working unbelievably well. 567 00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:43,960 Speaker 1: So I don't have any issue with anyone who decides 568 00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:46,959 Speaker 1: that it's their goal in life to post on social 569 00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:50,000 Speaker 1: media every time a black man or a black woman 570 00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:54,000 Speaker 1: or a black child is killed or hemmed up by 571 00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:58,600 Speaker 1: the cops or brutalized in some way. I can't do it. 572 00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:02,000 Speaker 1: I can't even have the capacity to do it. I 573 00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:05,040 Speaker 1: don't have that. We're just people, Like I'm just a human. 574 00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:08,280 Speaker 1: I was not built to take in all of this 575 00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:11,840 Speaker 1: sorrow on a daily basis and still be able to 576 00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:16,720 Speaker 1: do the things necessary to live, you know, like for me, 577 00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:20,160 Speaker 1: when it's about education and it's about something that's outrageous, 578 00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:22,280 Speaker 1: or it's about something and someone said that I don't 579 00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:25,640 Speaker 1: agree with, and I want to make people understand how 580 00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:27,920 Speaker 1: important it is. It will be on there. But nobody's 581 00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:34,160 Speaker 1: lifeless body, nobody getting beat up, nobody um, nobody having 582 00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:38,320 Speaker 1: their humanity stripped from them, nothing along that side. I can't. 583 00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:41,840 Speaker 1: That's not for me. I try. I played that game 584 00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:45,880 Speaker 1: for a little while, because you know, walking around with 585 00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:50,600 Speaker 1: all of that with really no outlet for it. Uh, 586 00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:55,840 Speaker 1: it's crazy, and it's driving us mad. It's driving us crazy, 587 00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:58,120 Speaker 1: and and for so many people you know, we're all 588 00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:00,240 Speaker 1: at our own rates of growth. So there's a lot 589 00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:02,400 Speaker 1: of people that maybe haven't done as much self work 590 00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:04,800 Speaker 1: as you've done or maybe I've done. Right, it looks 591 00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:08,960 Speaker 1: different for them. They're seeing all of this. They haven't 592 00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:12,040 Speaker 1: even processed their own trauma. So now this is additional 593 00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:14,400 Speaker 1: trauma energy placed on top of them, and they are 594 00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:18,000 Speaker 1: sinking deeper and deeper and deeper away from being able 595 00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:20,360 Speaker 1: to tap into that authentic self you know, to be 596 00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:23,080 Speaker 1: able to tap into joy. Your life is already hard, 597 00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:28,680 Speaker 1: you know, all day long, it's like you're going to 598 00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:32,160 Speaker 1: suffer and suffer and suffer. One thing that I also 599 00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:39,080 Speaker 1: I will say this though, finish the post. And this 600 00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:41,040 Speaker 1: is this is what I have to say to everyone 601 00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:47,680 Speaker 1: out there. Finish the waterfall stopped? Yes something, el shut up? 602 00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:52,200 Speaker 1: Does that mean the job you'll have to? Like you like, 603 00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:56,440 Speaker 1: did you miss a payment? Isn't something it's set to 604 00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:59,400 Speaker 1: you know, it starts at sunrise and it goes down 605 00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:04,440 Speaker 1: a sunset. Wow? Yeah, sure. So what I'll say is this, 606 00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:09,279 Speaker 1: finish the post. And this is what I mean. If 607 00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:15,759 Speaker 1: you are posting a child that's got beaten up by 608 00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:17,839 Speaker 1: the cops, if you're posting the black man that's been 609 00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:21,120 Speaker 1: arrested by the cops. There has to be a point 610 00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:22,960 Speaker 1: to the post. You have to finish, and what I 611 00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:27,480 Speaker 1: mean is post a number somebody can call to lodge 612 00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:30,920 Speaker 1: your complaint. Post go fund that you can do to support, 613 00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:37,720 Speaker 1: have some purpose. The purpose is just outrage, you're hurting people. 614 00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:42,320 Speaker 1: Like If the purpose is just outrage, you're hurting people. 615 00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:48,040 Speaker 1: And if in any way you're posting something like that, 616 00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:53,480 Speaker 1: search your soul and ask yourself if you're posting something 617 00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:55,680 Speaker 1: like that just to get people to come on your Instagram, 618 00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:58,320 Speaker 1: Because if you're doing that, you're not just hurting people, 619 00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:02,799 Speaker 1: you're evil. Because what I would say is that if 620 00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:08,760 Speaker 1: your look at me has to be a brutalized black body, 621 00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:10,839 Speaker 1: then you know better than the cop that's doing it. 622 00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:14,480 Speaker 1: If you're if you're if you'll look at me it 623 00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:22,200 Speaker 1: is some ridiculous injustice, then you're complicit in what's going on. 624 00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:28,720 Speaker 1: Nothing wrong with wayne raising awareness. Finish, what's the next step? 625 00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:31,280 Speaker 1: Have a point to it. Don't leave the circle open, 626 00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:35,319 Speaker 1: not not not just look at how messed up this is. 627 00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:38,160 Speaker 1: Look at how messed up this is. This is what 628 00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:40,560 Speaker 1: we can do. And if you don't. It's also further 629 00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:43,520 Speaker 1: desensitizing people who are on the posing end of that, right, 630 00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:46,160 Speaker 1: because they're seeing all of these images and for them 631 00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:49,720 Speaker 1: it completely disconnects them from the humanity of the people 632 00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:52,120 Speaker 1: that they're seeing in the images. Even more. They are 633 00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:54,640 Speaker 1: sad they didn't get it. Now it's commonplace. So it's like, yeah, 634 00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:58,920 Speaker 1: so another dead body right now, I could look. It's 635 00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:01,759 Speaker 1: like we we've all we've been we've been through it. 636 00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:04,560 Speaker 1: We we know that it happens. I think that we 637 00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:07,520 Speaker 1: need to think about and you know, shout out to Charlemagne. 638 00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:12,080 Speaker 1: Man like me and Charlemagne got into a huge argument, 639 00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:16,560 Speaker 1: a gigantic argument, maybe like three weeks ago, right, we 640 00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:22,440 Speaker 1: argue it constantly. We're all like we like ask anyone 641 00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:25,360 Speaker 1: who knows I mean there that there are there arguments 642 00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:30,400 Speaker 1: that are like always about um uh, they're always like 643 00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:32,400 Speaker 1: we have difference of opinion, and that's what we do. 644 00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:34,560 Speaker 1: We aregue. We go back and forth, blah blah blah blah. 645 00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:37,279 Speaker 1: But we are you a lot. Uh. It's not like 646 00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:40,319 Speaker 1: its brothers, you know what I mean. But a little 647 00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:43,960 Speaker 1: while ago when the studance situation was happening, right, um, 648 00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:46,400 Speaker 1: I'm gonna give him this one when the Sudance situation. 649 00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:48,560 Speaker 1: First of all, the stance situation is still happening. To 650 00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:50,759 Speaker 1: educate yourself on what's going on Sudan and figure out 651 00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:52,879 Speaker 1: a way that you can have I posted the video 652 00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:56,040 Speaker 1: of a friend of mine, I mean al Hassan, who 653 00:36:56,040 --> 00:37:00,959 Speaker 1: works over at ESPN, and the video was basically I mean, 654 00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:04,960 Speaker 1: I mean talking about he's from Sudan, talking about what 655 00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:09,160 Speaker 1: was going on over there, and just basically emoting and 656 00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:11,480 Speaker 1: saying that he didn't really know what he could do, 657 00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:14,120 Speaker 1: but telling people what was going on. And I felt 658 00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:16,799 Speaker 1: I found that video to be very useful because I 659 00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:20,719 Speaker 1: didn't really know exactly what was happening in Sudan, and 660 00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:25,200 Speaker 1: I thought that a video from um uh someone to 661 00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:28,200 Speaker 1: nees who could explain to people what was happening, might 662 00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:31,800 Speaker 1: spark some awareness. And I hit Charlemagne to post the 663 00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:34,120 Speaker 1: video and he was like, okay, but what are we 664 00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:38,279 Speaker 1: gonna do? And I was like, what do you mean? 665 00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:43,480 Speaker 1: He was like, WHOA, what's the call to action? And 666 00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:48,560 Speaker 1: while I still contend that sometimes if there's a humanitarian crisis, 667 00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:51,600 Speaker 1: the first call to action is the call to knowledge 668 00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:54,520 Speaker 1: that people need to know about it, at the same time, 669 00:37:56,239 --> 00:37:58,680 Speaker 1: his overall point, and a lot of people's point that 670 00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:02,759 Speaker 1: I've talked to, is this just too much trauma and 671 00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:07,080 Speaker 1: not enough trying, like you were, not trying to give 672 00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:10,319 Speaker 1: people ways that they can help. And the one thing 673 00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:12,440 Speaker 1: that he did that really kind of got through to 674 00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:16,880 Speaker 1: me is that whereas I put that video up, he 675 00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:20,759 Speaker 1: googled ways you can help so then and there was 676 00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:25,440 Speaker 1: a list of like ten fucking things, tangible things that 677 00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:28,279 Speaker 1: you could actually do. And who knows if that list 678 00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:30,480 Speaker 1: we're working out work, But there were things that people 679 00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:32,920 Speaker 1: are saying, Yo, if you want to help, this is 680 00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:34,319 Speaker 1: what you can do, and not talk to a lot 681 00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:36,400 Speaker 1: so these people that say, man, you are helping. We 682 00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:38,880 Speaker 1: need more people to know about that. That's right, But 683 00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:42,319 Speaker 1: there has to be a point to where all of 684 00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:47,040 Speaker 1: this activity is creating a better life or a better 685 00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:50,880 Speaker 1: situation for someone, because if not, then we're all just 686 00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:59,080 Speaker 1: playing around and um, we're making ourselves feel better without 687 00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:01,600 Speaker 1: having had any We're making ourselves, Yeah, I feel better 688 00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:04,000 Speaker 1: by being outraged. Just shows they have heart and it 689 00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:06,920 Speaker 1: shows we have a conscience that we're better than that 690 00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:09,960 Speaker 1: than the bad people. And for me, the one thing 691 00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:13,719 Speaker 1: that I've learned more about my life than anything over 692 00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:17,200 Speaker 1: these past ten years, is that I I desperately wanted 693 00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:23,239 Speaker 1: to have purpose. All I wanted, like you know, I 694 00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:27,120 Speaker 1: just I've I've always what do you consider to be 695 00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:33,080 Speaker 1: your purpose at this state of evolution? Man? Um, My purpose, 696 00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:38,400 Speaker 1: as I've always seen it is to inspire people. Um. 697 00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:40,960 Speaker 1: I know that's a very break that down a little 698 00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:45,720 Speaker 1: bit more. Uh, I know that that's very open ended, 699 00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:49,200 Speaker 1: but um, well, can I can I share something with 700 00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:53,200 Speaker 1: you as you're as you're simmering with this a little bit. Yeah. 701 00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:57,000 Speaker 1: So I have a big issue and I've talked about 702 00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:58,880 Speaker 1: this on my last episode, which I sent to you 703 00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:01,080 Speaker 1: a couple of times. I know you haven't listened yet 704 00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:03,520 Speaker 1: because yeah, exactly, And I'm gonna get to that a 705 00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:08,640 Speaker 1: little bit later in the show. Um. But no, I 706 00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:10,560 Speaker 1: you know, I have a little bit of beef with 707 00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:13,520 Speaker 1: the concept of purpose because I think that it's another 708 00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:18,240 Speaker 1: way to make people feel that they are lacking something, 709 00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:21,680 Speaker 1: because a lot of people are attributing the tagline purpose 710 00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:25,320 Speaker 1: to like really attention or having grand gestures or looking 711 00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:27,640 Speaker 1: like they have it all together. And for me, what 712 00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:32,400 Speaker 1: what I boiled down purpose as is like if you 713 00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:34,239 Speaker 1: were to ask me what my purpose is, I would 714 00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:37,400 Speaker 1: say it's to be of service to people. It's to 715 00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:40,880 Speaker 1: be of service, it's to be kind. It is to 716 00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:44,120 Speaker 1: create safe space for people to use the tools that 717 00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:48,200 Speaker 1: I've gathered to communicate well, to help people unlock themselves. 718 00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:51,799 Speaker 1: I can do that with any job that I have. Right, Like, 719 00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:53,799 Speaker 1: when you know what your purpose is, it doesn't mean 720 00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:55,640 Speaker 1: you've got to quit your job and do this, or 721 00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:58,200 Speaker 1: go off on a vision quest, or you know any 722 00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:02,399 Speaker 1: of these things. Like, you can apply those those fundamental 723 00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:05,960 Speaker 1: characteristics of yourself to any job. I can do it 724 00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:09,160 Speaker 1: as the fry cook, I can do it as the politician. 725 00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:11,160 Speaker 1: I can do it in a in a multitude of ways. 726 00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:15,720 Speaker 1: So when you say your purpose is to inspire, let's 727 00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:18,080 Speaker 1: unravel that a little bit more. Like you've shared what 728 00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:21,000 Speaker 1: one of your biggest superpowers is, right, it's your intellect. 729 00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:26,040 Speaker 1: Cerebrally like, that is the gift that you share with people. 730 00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:30,520 Speaker 1: So you want to inspire them to do what to learn? Well, well, 731 00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:33,560 Speaker 1: actually what I want I want to inspire them to unlearn. 732 00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:40,480 Speaker 1: And so what I mean is everyone is so certain 733 00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:43,120 Speaker 1: about what it is that they can do. Yes, and 734 00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:49,600 Speaker 1: everyone everyone so good. Everyone is so certain about their 735 00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:53,080 Speaker 1: their place as a call in the will uh, in 736 00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:55,239 Speaker 1: society and what they're not supposed to have, what they're 737 00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:57,200 Speaker 1: not supposed to do, what they're not supposed to be, 738 00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:02,160 Speaker 1: and sort of how they were born. They can just 739 00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:04,839 Speaker 1: be a consumer and now it's time to get out 740 00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:06,960 Speaker 1: of here. Even when I posted the thing that I 741 00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:10,680 Speaker 1: that I that I posted about, uh, the pooring thing, right, 742 00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:14,640 Speaker 1: you get so many people that go, oh, Van, I 743 00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:18,239 Speaker 1: thought you were better than that, better than what the 744 00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:21,640 Speaker 1: reality is that anything can become an unhealthy addiction, like 745 00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:25,279 Speaker 1: anything can become something that's not a positive. I think 746 00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:28,880 Speaker 1: that people will put themselves into these boxes and they 747 00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:31,440 Speaker 1: feel like these boxes make them better people, and I 748 00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:33,680 Speaker 1: want to help them break those boxes. Anything that you 749 00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:36,560 Speaker 1: do that doesn't hurt anyone else and it's fulfilling to you. 750 00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:40,480 Speaker 1: Um doesn't hurt anyone else, and it's fulfilling to you. 751 00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:41,920 Speaker 1: I want you to be brave enough to go to 752 00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:43,359 Speaker 1: go do that, and I want you to do it 753 00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:46,320 Speaker 1: with the full heart. And there's so many people that 754 00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:49,120 Speaker 1: just don't feel like that's a thing. And I don't 755 00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:53,240 Speaker 1: understand how the trick of society has worked so well 756 00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:56,160 Speaker 1: when we all know that you get one spin on 757 00:42:56,239 --> 00:42:59,919 Speaker 1: this berg, but we all spin our one spin think 758 00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:02,640 Speaker 1: about how everyone else thinks we should live our life, 759 00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:06,480 Speaker 1: and well that that's like the purpose of life. Well 760 00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:08,720 Speaker 1: for me personally, I don't believe we get one spin. 761 00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:11,239 Speaker 1: I think I might be on my last spin. But yeah, 762 00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:15,839 Speaker 1: I'm fully in alignment with the ideology of reincarnation. Yeah, 763 00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:18,360 Speaker 1: for sure, of course we all have like that. That's 764 00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:22,319 Speaker 1: that's the point, you know, like I think right now 765 00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:30,040 Speaker 1: so obnoxious, Oh my god, yeah no, yeah, well, so 766 00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:36,000 Speaker 1: if we think about like natural law, right, Like to me, 767 00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:39,440 Speaker 1: that's one of the biggest things that confuses people's souls 768 00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:44,600 Speaker 1: on earth living in this societal context. It's we believe 769 00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:47,680 Speaker 1: in natural law only as it relates to plants and 770 00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:50,840 Speaker 1: animals and sun and moon, But we don't think that 771 00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:54,600 Speaker 1: those same laws applied to us, like the change, the evolution, 772 00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:59,600 Speaker 1: that all of the all of the contexts around how 773 00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:02,239 Speaker 1: nature or exists, right, it's the same with that. So 774 00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:05,840 Speaker 1: I think that the whole purpose of us being alive 775 00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:09,640 Speaker 1: is to unlearn things and then you keep coming back 776 00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:13,080 Speaker 1: like the soul. All right, let me try to unpack 777 00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:16,640 Speaker 1: this as quickly as possible. Though this would be more 778 00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:19,640 Speaker 1: like a workshop I would present over the course of 779 00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:23,680 Speaker 1: a day. Um. You know, I I do feel that 780 00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:26,000 Speaker 1: I'm in alignment with the fact that God is energy. 781 00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:28,480 Speaker 1: I don't think of God as a man or as 782 00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:31,360 Speaker 1: a physical being of any kind. I don't think of heaven. 783 00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:37,719 Speaker 1: I don't. That's not how I experience spirituality. Yeah, no, dogma, Um. 784 00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:40,800 Speaker 1: But you know, I think that God wanted to experience himself. 785 00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:43,319 Speaker 1: If you are one of one, if you are one thing, 786 00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:47,520 Speaker 1: you don't know. There's no good or bad because there's 787 00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:50,560 Speaker 1: nothing to compare, anything to write. So I think that 788 00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:55,040 Speaker 1: God had a longing to experience himself. Thus he created 789 00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:57,720 Speaker 1: the world. Thus he created all of these little souls, 790 00:44:57,800 --> 00:45:00,279 Speaker 1: which are you know, pieces of him. We're all just 791 00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:03,680 Speaker 1: the exact same energy in different forms. That's why each 792 00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:05,440 Speaker 1: of us have gotten us. That's why each of us, 793 00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:08,960 Speaker 1: when we choose to can connect to God. You know. Um, 794 00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:12,680 Speaker 1: But I think we're here because we wanted to experience 795 00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:16,560 Speaker 1: something we couldn't experience in that energy realm um. And 796 00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:19,640 Speaker 1: that's why we live a life that is not based 797 00:45:19,719 --> 00:45:22,919 Speaker 1: or rooted in fairness. I think, you know, we think 798 00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:25,760 Speaker 1: of life in terms of good or bad. Fair unfair, 799 00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:29,440 Speaker 1: and that's not natural law. None of those things apply 800 00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:32,120 Speaker 1: to plants. You know, flower gets picked. It doesn't think 801 00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:34,799 Speaker 1: god life is so unfair, right like an animal gets 802 00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:37,879 Speaker 1: eaten by another animal. It's not about how unfair things are. 803 00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:40,120 Speaker 1: How you know you've got to be a better purse, 804 00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:42,120 Speaker 1: a better animal and not do that. You know, it's 805 00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:44,800 Speaker 1: just they're just experience it. And so I say that 806 00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:47,719 Speaker 1: to say, um, you know, I think I view life 807 00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:50,600 Speaker 1: in those terms. I view life in the thought process 808 00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:52,920 Speaker 1: that I'll be back as many times as I need 809 00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:55,319 Speaker 1: to be back to experience whatever it is that my 810 00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:59,000 Speaker 1: soul is longing to know. And when I'm done, then 811 00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:02,399 Speaker 1: i'll know who knows, we don't know, you know, I'll 812 00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:05,520 Speaker 1: be whatever it is that exists in the realm that 813 00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:13,799 Speaker 1: I've never experienced before. That's a lot um. I what 814 00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:16,560 Speaker 1: I would say, This is the only thing that I 815 00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:19,600 Speaker 1: would say. I would say that. The only place that 816 00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:22,600 Speaker 1: I sort of differ with you is I do believe 817 00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:26,000 Speaker 1: that there's something special about humanity. And the reason why 818 00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:28,839 Speaker 1: I say that is because if you listen to what 819 00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:32,920 Speaker 1: we're capable of. Um, the animal kingdom is beautiful. No, 820 00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:35,200 Speaker 1: I'm not saying we're the same as a leaf. By 821 00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:37,880 Speaker 1: no means do I think that we are like equal 822 00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:41,400 Speaker 1: to grass. You know, there is something very special and 823 00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:46,360 Speaker 1: specific about being I think that human with opposable thumbs, 824 00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:49,400 Speaker 1: you know. I think in that specificity is a beauty 825 00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:55,040 Speaker 1: that everyone is trying to find. Everyone is trying to recreate, uh, 826 00:46:55,280 --> 00:47:00,640 Speaker 1: moments that really make them feel amazing about being alive. However, 827 00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:07,239 Speaker 1: there everyday lives are doing the exact opposite of that. 828 00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:10,399 Speaker 1: Their everyday lives are shutting them off. And I am 829 00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:12,719 Speaker 1: a victim of this as well. Um, I go into 830 00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:15,440 Speaker 1: a job that I don't very much like. Uh, But 831 00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:18,279 Speaker 1: when I go into that job, to your point, what 832 00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:22,680 Speaker 1: I try to do every day is connect to people 833 00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:25,080 Speaker 1: and speak for people who wish they could be talking 834 00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:29,200 Speaker 1: and and and that gives me, That makes me feel 835 00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:33,040 Speaker 1: good about that, That makes me feel purposeful about that 836 00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:35,880 Speaker 1: people that wish that they could say because there's so 837 00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:37,759 Speaker 1: many people that wish to say listen, they wish that 838 00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:39,640 Speaker 1: they could talk, They wish that they could say their peace. 839 00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:42,759 Speaker 1: And I know who they are, how they feeling, where 840 00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:46,399 Speaker 1: they're from, and I try to be that and represent them, 841 00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:50,080 Speaker 1: not in a contrived way, but in a very real 842 00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:54,640 Speaker 1: and inspired way. And also one part of my purpose 843 00:47:56,520 --> 00:48:00,399 Speaker 1: is not limited myself. Like we're in the off is right, 844 00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:04,680 Speaker 1: or we're talking and yeah at tim Z and we'll 845 00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:06,680 Speaker 1: be talking about somebody who won an oscar, and we'll 846 00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:08,480 Speaker 1: be talking about whether or not the movie deserve the 847 00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:11,719 Speaker 1: oscar or whatever. The conversations that people have. And I 848 00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:15,279 Speaker 1: remember there was one specific time where one girl who 849 00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:17,759 Speaker 1: worked with me goes, well, that's a problem we'll never have. 850 00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:22,880 Speaker 1: We want we'll never know that. Now, Well, when an 851 00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:25,160 Speaker 1: oscar is not a big deal in the grand scheme 852 00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:27,359 Speaker 1: of things, it's a great honor, but it's not a 853 00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:29,600 Speaker 1: big deal in the grand scheme of things. But just 854 00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:34,200 Speaker 1: think about it. How could you ever tell yourself what's 855 00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:37,920 Speaker 1: not going to happen for you? Why are you so 856 00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:40,560 Speaker 1: acquainted with what it is that you can't do. I 857 00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:44,160 Speaker 1: don't think like that. I don't know what's going to happen. 858 00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:48,200 Speaker 1: All I know is that in order to live a 859 00:48:48,239 --> 00:48:51,240 Speaker 1: full life, I have to believe that anything can happen. 860 00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:55,000 Speaker 1: I have to believe that it's all possible, or else 861 00:48:55,040 --> 00:49:01,640 Speaker 1: I start to believe that it's all pointless. Because the 862 00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:04,799 Speaker 1: optimism is such a luxury for most people, you know, 863 00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:07,960 Speaker 1: like like the ability to have optimism or hope or 864 00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:10,319 Speaker 1: even have the level of wokeness that you have, Like, 865 00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:14,480 Speaker 1: it's not it's so rare for most people based on 866 00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:20,480 Speaker 1: their life experiences. It's only ingredient. Yeah, that matters, the 867 00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:24,279 Speaker 1: only thing. But imagine how much work someone in a 868 00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:29,000 Speaker 1: severe amount of pain has to do to arrive at 869 00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:32,280 Speaker 1: where you are. I completely understand. I would tell anyone 870 00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:38,360 Speaker 1: who ever wanted to be anything anything, there's only one 871 00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:45,680 Speaker 1: thing that fifty cent, Mark Zuckerberg, Barack Obama, can you 872 00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:48,919 Speaker 1: talking to the mic place like like like it doesn't matter, 873 00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:53,239 Speaker 1: like Stalin even bad guys like it doesn't. There's only 874 00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:55,560 Speaker 1: one thing that all of those people had in common. 875 00:49:56,239 --> 00:49:58,960 Speaker 1: They believed that they could do it. Yeah that like 876 00:49:59,080 --> 00:50:03,960 Speaker 1: that like that that's the so if you don't have that, 877 00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:09,160 Speaker 1: you're fucked. So like so it's like if the only 878 00:50:09,239 --> 00:50:13,719 Speaker 1: thing anyone who's ever been successful, any the only thing 879 00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:16,120 Speaker 1: that all of these people have. The one thing that 880 00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:19,920 Speaker 1: Jay Z has in common with Warren Buffett, that Warren 881 00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:23,840 Speaker 1: Buffett has in common with Walt Disney, who is a Nazi, 882 00:50:23,880 --> 00:50:26,520 Speaker 1: by the way, that that all that hasn't that has 883 00:50:26,520 --> 00:50:30,279 Speaker 1: in common with Harriet Tubman with with w E. They 884 00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:34,480 Speaker 1: believed that they could do this, whatever it is, they 885 00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:37,920 Speaker 1: believe that they could do it. So not believing that 886 00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:41,759 Speaker 1: you can do something that you want to do isn't 887 00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:46,399 Speaker 1: waste of time. Yeah, so in theory, everything you're saying 888 00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:49,360 Speaker 1: is a hundred accurate. But on a soul level, I 889 00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:53,960 Speaker 1: mean that is some people's entire life work is to 890 00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:58,000 Speaker 1: unlearn that feeling of worth of worthlessness that they have 891 00:50:58,080 --> 00:51:01,520 Speaker 1: for themselves. That's there in higher life stand what they're 892 00:51:01,520 --> 00:51:04,760 Speaker 1: going to be working. They've been taught that, and they've 893 00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:07,480 Speaker 1: been because because it's very necessary to make people believe 894 00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:10,440 Speaker 1: what they can't do in order to have our society 895 00:51:10,440 --> 00:51:13,480 Speaker 1: functional way it functions, because you need people to listen. 896 00:51:13,560 --> 00:51:17,200 Speaker 1: There's nothing wrong with any specific job. There's nothing wrong 897 00:51:17,239 --> 00:51:20,239 Speaker 1: with it. There I know people. One of my one 898 00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:23,560 Speaker 1: of the happiest person people that I know in the 899 00:51:23,600 --> 00:51:28,239 Speaker 1: world is a shady treat mechanic, which is people from 900 00:51:28,239 --> 00:51:30,400 Speaker 1: back home know what I'm talking about. It's a dude 901 00:51:30,719 --> 00:51:33,640 Speaker 1: who knows how to fix cars, but he doesn't work 902 00:51:33,640 --> 00:51:36,279 Speaker 1: in a shop. If you need your brake pads right, 903 00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:39,279 Speaker 1: if you if Devin needs a brave pads done right, 904 00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:43,360 Speaker 1: You can take your brake pads two pet boys and 905 00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:46,840 Speaker 1: let pet boys charge you a hundred and fifty some 906 00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:49,239 Speaker 1: dollars to get your brake paths done. Or you can 907 00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:51,920 Speaker 1: go buy your brake pads and you can let my 908 00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:54,479 Speaker 1: homie come over. He'll change your brake pass for thirty 909 00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:57,560 Speaker 1: dollars and a six pack. He loves his life. He 910 00:51:57,640 --> 00:52:01,600 Speaker 1: loves working on cars. He he fixes up old cars. 911 00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:06,960 Speaker 1: He never runs out of work, and never ever runs 912 00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:10,240 Speaker 1: out of work because he's undercutting these big guys and 913 00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:13,520 Speaker 1: he's hanging out. He's chilling. He doesn't need other things 914 00:52:13,600 --> 00:52:16,560 Speaker 1: that we feel like we need, like health insurance. He 915 00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:18,600 Speaker 1: doesn't feel like like these are dudes that he doesn't 916 00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:22,440 Speaker 1: care about. He hangs out, he does well. He drives 917 00:52:22,520 --> 00:52:26,520 Speaker 1: the cars that he builds on the weekend. That dude 918 00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:31,000 Speaker 1: just didn't buy the bullshit of society. It's a job 919 00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:33,040 Speaker 1: that I would never want to be a mechanic and 920 00:52:33,080 --> 00:52:35,880 Speaker 1: have my hands dirty all the time. You know, we 921 00:52:35,880 --> 00:52:40,240 Speaker 1: were in a wedding together and the dude's hands were dirty. 922 00:52:40,280 --> 00:52:44,200 Speaker 1: He's like, this is not coming off. But he had 923 00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:46,799 Speaker 1: to believe that that life was the best life for 924 00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:52,799 Speaker 1: him and well all all of this wealth. Did y'all 925 00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:54,600 Speaker 1: hear that? They didn't hear it. It It didn't pick up. 926 00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:59,480 Speaker 1: Let me tell you something. We're sitting here. It's not 927 00:52:59,520 --> 00:53:02,319 Speaker 1: getting because people need to understand. This helps people with 928 00:53:02,360 --> 00:53:07,040 Speaker 1: their purpose because they want Devy got a robot butler. 929 00:53:07,520 --> 00:53:10,840 Speaker 1: We're sitting here and so and it just with somebody's 930 00:53:10,880 --> 00:53:14,279 Speaker 1: at the front door. That's off the chain. It's a 931 00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:17,320 Speaker 1: smart house. It's stuff you can buy on Amazon in anywhere. 932 00:53:17,680 --> 00:53:22,280 Speaker 1: It's stuff buy on Amazon. And people need to understand, 933 00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:24,759 Speaker 1: you know what the first purpose, the first thing to 934 00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:26,880 Speaker 1: believe in that you can have to get in a 935 00:53:26,920 --> 00:53:31,680 Speaker 1: smart house. It's believing that you can have well, but 936 00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:36,080 Speaker 1: that and that, like if we're being fully honest with ourselves, right, 937 00:53:36,160 --> 00:53:40,560 Speaker 1: like everything is bullshit, you know, like everything that we 938 00:53:40,600 --> 00:53:42,719 Speaker 1: have been trained to believe for the most part, all 939 00:53:42,760 --> 00:53:46,680 Speaker 1: of our ideas of success, everything is just projections. It's 940 00:53:46,680 --> 00:53:50,719 Speaker 1: people projecting on us all this unhealed trauma. It's us 941 00:53:50,719 --> 00:53:53,759 Speaker 1: projecting on them all our unhealed trauma. And it's just 942 00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:58,120 Speaker 1: this layering and layering and layering of projections that ultimately 943 00:53:58,160 --> 00:54:01,759 Speaker 1: became the societal construct that keeps the majority of the 944 00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:07,000 Speaker 1: population stuck and unable to unlearned, unable to let go 945 00:54:07,040 --> 00:54:09,920 Speaker 1: of things that don't serve them, unable to access the 946 00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:15,840 Speaker 1: proverbial higher highest version of themselves. You know. Um, I 947 00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:18,120 Speaker 1: just I don't know. I have a lot of compassion 948 00:54:18,160 --> 00:54:21,000 Speaker 1: for people in that space because I think for us 949 00:54:21,040 --> 00:54:23,680 Speaker 1: to be alive in this moment right now is such 950 00:54:24,520 --> 00:54:27,880 Speaker 1: even though it's difficult, it's such a luxury, Like the 951 00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:31,480 Speaker 1: idea that someone could even spend time on getting to 952 00:54:31,520 --> 00:54:36,800 Speaker 1: know themselves or loving themselves right being on a journey 953 00:54:36,840 --> 00:54:39,960 Speaker 1: like that is only available to us at this exact 954 00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:43,680 Speaker 1: moment in history, at the mainstream level that it's become available. 955 00:54:43,719 --> 00:54:48,240 Speaker 1: We have only just begun to have transparent conversations in public, 956 00:54:48,680 --> 00:54:51,080 Speaker 1: you know, to to be able to not be ashamed 957 00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:53,840 Speaker 1: of things that have happened to us. Our parents didn't 958 00:54:53,840 --> 00:54:56,319 Speaker 1: have that luxury, Our grandparents didn't have that luxury. No 959 00:54:56,360 --> 00:54:58,880 Speaker 1: one else has ever had that luxury, you know. And 960 00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:02,400 Speaker 1: so I feel like for people that are stuck, because 961 00:55:02,440 --> 00:55:04,880 Speaker 1: I think when you when you first get into this 962 00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:08,160 Speaker 1: place of awakness, when you first get into this place 963 00:55:08,200 --> 00:55:12,080 Speaker 1: of your spiritual journeying and things click for you, it 964 00:55:12,280 --> 00:55:14,799 Speaker 1: can get frustrating when you're looking at people in your 965 00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:17,040 Speaker 1: life who aren't growing right in whatever ways. They're not 966 00:55:17,080 --> 00:55:21,319 Speaker 1: growing emotionally, financial, whatever. You know, we we can get 967 00:55:21,360 --> 00:55:23,600 Speaker 1: frustrated and we can say but it's so easy just 968 00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:26,520 Speaker 1: listen to me, or if you just did this, or 969 00:55:26,520 --> 00:55:29,000 Speaker 1: if you just stop being so afraid, or if you 970 00:55:29,120 --> 00:55:31,400 Speaker 1: just went for it right, like all of these things 971 00:55:31,440 --> 00:55:34,760 Speaker 1: that seem so small, um, but like I said earlier, 972 00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:36,920 Speaker 1: for a lot of people, it is the entire point 973 00:55:36,960 --> 00:55:39,400 Speaker 1: of them being alive to get to that point. It 974 00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:41,160 Speaker 1: may not click till they're on their deathbed, or it 975 00:55:41,160 --> 00:55:43,320 Speaker 1: may never click and they may have to do another 976 00:55:43,360 --> 00:55:47,000 Speaker 1: trip around the sun to learn it right. But I 977 00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:52,360 Speaker 1: think ultimately, you know, we have to extend compassion and 978 00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:54,959 Speaker 1: not be in judgment because it is just it's not 979 00:55:55,920 --> 00:55:59,800 Speaker 1: for everybody in this life. That is my belief system. 980 00:55:59,840 --> 00:56:02,360 Speaker 1: Not everybody is meant to be the quote unquote great. 981 00:56:02,520 --> 00:56:05,240 Speaker 1: Not everybody is meant to be great in this lifetime 982 00:56:05,480 --> 00:56:09,400 Speaker 1: whatever great means, right, And not everybody has meant to 983 00:56:09,600 --> 00:56:12,200 Speaker 1: heal in this lifetime. Not everybody has meant for all 984 00:56:12,239 --> 00:56:15,960 Speaker 1: of these things. So for me, I just stand in 985 00:56:15,960 --> 00:56:18,680 Speaker 1: a state of gratitude that I am, you know, and 986 00:56:18,680 --> 00:56:22,440 Speaker 1: and and humble, deeply humble gratitude that I have the 987 00:56:22,560 --> 00:56:26,239 Speaker 1: opportunity to know how to do better and to have 988 00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:29,439 Speaker 1: access to the tools to do better. See, that's my thing. 989 00:56:29,680 --> 00:56:32,840 Speaker 1: It's not the perfect, it's the better. The better is 990 00:56:32,880 --> 00:56:35,239 Speaker 1: the goal. Told story of my podcast, I'll say it 991 00:56:35,320 --> 00:56:37,399 Speaker 1: right now. I was working with a trainer. I'm sorry 992 00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:39,280 Speaker 1: to get a little older, and I was playing basketball 993 00:56:39,320 --> 00:56:43,000 Speaker 1: pick up basketball, and you know, you get up there 994 00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:44,640 Speaker 1: and you dumped the ball and then you come down 995 00:56:44,680 --> 00:56:47,399 Speaker 1: and you're done. Like it's not even the jumping, it's 996 00:56:47,400 --> 00:56:50,080 Speaker 1: the landing. You're like, damn, my knees and ankles are finished. 997 00:56:50,440 --> 00:56:53,440 Speaker 1: So I got with a guy and I was like, 998 00:56:53,440 --> 00:56:55,680 Speaker 1: you know, I never really worked out this way, and 999 00:56:55,719 --> 00:56:57,480 Speaker 1: I want to see if I can get to do 1000 00:56:57,680 --> 00:57:00,560 Speaker 1: what Daz and the rest of the guys at the gym, 1001 00:57:00,680 --> 00:57:04,280 Speaker 1: Amra and all those guys are doing, like getting playing 1002 00:57:04,360 --> 00:57:06,200 Speaker 1: really above the room and all that stuff like that. 1003 00:57:06,560 --> 00:57:08,040 Speaker 1: And I wanted to be able to jump off two 1004 00:57:08,040 --> 00:57:12,160 Speaker 1: feet in the assis trainer, I said, yo, these exercises 1005 00:57:12,239 --> 00:57:15,160 Speaker 1: they were doing, am I gonna be able to jump 1006 00:57:15,200 --> 00:57:17,480 Speaker 1: off two ft like them? And he said, I don't know. 1007 00:57:17,920 --> 00:57:19,480 Speaker 1: But I know that you'll be a better too for 1008 00:57:19,560 --> 00:57:22,560 Speaker 1: the jumper. And that's a stupid thing to have changed 1009 00:57:22,560 --> 00:57:26,920 Speaker 1: my perception, but it did because really speaks to the 1010 00:57:26,920 --> 00:57:29,040 Speaker 1: point that you just made, and to a point that 1011 00:57:29,080 --> 00:57:32,840 Speaker 1: I'm making, is I realized that it wasn't about me 1012 00:57:32,920 --> 00:57:35,640 Speaker 1: jumping like someone else. It's just about me jumping the 1013 00:57:35,680 --> 00:57:38,240 Speaker 1: best that I can jump, your personal best. It's just 1014 00:57:38,480 --> 00:57:41,160 Speaker 1: it's just about me. It's not even about me jumping 1015 00:57:41,280 --> 00:57:42,960 Speaker 1: the best that I can jump, because I might never 1016 00:57:43,080 --> 00:57:44,960 Speaker 1: jump the best that I canna jump. It's about me 1017 00:57:45,040 --> 00:57:47,200 Speaker 1: just jumping a little bit better than I did yesterday. Well, 1018 00:57:47,240 --> 00:57:50,400 Speaker 1: but that's the best in that moment, right, Like that's 1019 00:57:50,400 --> 00:57:53,480 Speaker 1: the best you're capable of in that moment, right. And 1020 00:57:53,520 --> 00:57:55,920 Speaker 1: so for me, for the rest of the time, I 1021 00:57:55,960 --> 00:58:00,600 Speaker 1: had to look around and go I have to just 1022 00:58:00,840 --> 00:58:07,200 Speaker 1: be connizant. I have to concentrate on doing a little 1023 00:58:07,200 --> 00:58:09,440 Speaker 1: bit better than I did before, and hopefully that's good 1024 00:58:09,520 --> 00:58:11,840 Speaker 1: enough to get whatever it is that I want. Now, 1025 00:58:11,880 --> 00:58:14,680 Speaker 1: what I will say is that people who have become 1026 00:58:14,720 --> 00:58:20,160 Speaker 1: stagnant in their development, it's often oftentimes hard for me 1027 00:58:20,200 --> 00:58:23,520 Speaker 1: to relate to them because I'll ask somebody, what is 1028 00:58:23,520 --> 00:58:28,360 Speaker 1: it that you want, because typically, if I'm being honest, 1029 00:58:28,840 --> 00:58:31,280 Speaker 1: these are the people who have the most complaints about life, 1030 00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:37,560 Speaker 1: and their complaints aren't wrong, their complaints are all valid, 1031 00:58:37,560 --> 00:58:42,120 Speaker 1: but they're just not providing any solutions or accountability for themselves. 1032 00:58:42,200 --> 00:58:48,640 Speaker 1: And I know and I feel the people think that 1033 00:58:50,000 --> 00:58:52,880 Speaker 1: the group of people that I'm most tethered to, that 1034 00:58:53,000 --> 00:58:56,760 Speaker 1: I feel the most kinship to, that I'm the most 1035 00:58:56,800 --> 00:59:01,120 Speaker 1: active for a black people. That's actually not true. I 1036 00:59:01,200 --> 00:59:04,560 Speaker 1: love black people just I'm just the way I grew 1037 00:59:04,640 --> 00:59:08,200 Speaker 1: up culturally. I have a sick love for my people, sick. 1038 00:59:08,840 --> 00:59:12,360 Speaker 1: I just love being black. I remember I said it 1039 00:59:13,160 --> 00:59:17,000 Speaker 1: in the seventh grade teacher was telling us about slavery 1040 00:59:17,040 --> 00:59:19,520 Speaker 1: and about how horrible it was, and I was like, 1041 00:59:19,560 --> 00:59:21,600 Speaker 1: I gotta be honest with you, I still would choose 1042 00:59:21,600 --> 00:59:25,400 Speaker 1: being black. It's just like I love everything about my 1043 00:59:25,520 --> 00:59:28,640 Speaker 1: grandfather and my mother and all those little things that 1044 00:59:28,680 --> 00:59:30,680 Speaker 1: we only get. I just I'm in love with them. 1045 00:59:30,720 --> 00:59:32,440 Speaker 1: But the group that I'm most in the bag for, 1046 00:59:33,560 --> 00:59:38,600 Speaker 1: it's overweight people. Because when I started talking about that, 1047 00:59:38,880 --> 00:59:44,640 Speaker 1: I immediately become overcome with emotion. Because you can't do 1048 00:59:44,960 --> 00:59:47,320 Speaker 1: anything if you don't like what you see in the 1049 00:59:47,320 --> 00:59:50,920 Speaker 1: mirror if you if you like I used to. I 1050 00:59:50,960 --> 00:59:53,760 Speaker 1: used to take showers with the lights off. You know 1051 00:59:53,800 --> 00:59:56,040 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Like it was bad, It was, it was, 1052 00:59:56,160 --> 00:59:59,840 Speaker 1: it was. It's tough, and you're you're you're you're hoping 1053 01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:01,760 Speaker 1: at the jokes don't come. You're hoping. There's a lot 1054 01:00:01,800 --> 01:00:03,840 Speaker 1: of people that are listening to this that understand what 1055 01:00:03,880 --> 01:00:05,640 Speaker 1: I'm talking about. It is a lot of people thinking, yo, 1056 01:00:05,720 --> 01:00:10,160 Speaker 1: he's soft. But the reality is that that's a tough thing, right. 1057 01:00:11,600 --> 01:00:15,720 Speaker 1: But what I do know what I know, and this 1058 01:00:15,840 --> 01:00:18,880 Speaker 1: is the tough part about it, is that if you can, 1059 01:00:19,240 --> 01:00:23,000 Speaker 1: if you consume less calories than you uh, then you 1060 01:00:23,080 --> 01:00:27,280 Speaker 1: burn if you consume excuse me, if you burn more 1061 01:00:27,320 --> 01:00:31,360 Speaker 1: calories than you consume, you'll lose weight. Will Now, it'll happen. 1062 01:00:31,400 --> 01:00:33,560 Speaker 1: It will happen faster for some people, and it will 1063 01:00:33,600 --> 01:00:37,120 Speaker 1: happen slower for some others. But it's a fact. So 1064 01:00:38,120 --> 01:00:45,320 Speaker 1: the reason because of that, my empathy isn't empty. It's 1065 01:00:45,800 --> 01:00:49,680 Speaker 1: I understand what you're going through. I went through it 1066 01:00:49,760 --> 01:00:52,520 Speaker 1: for a long time, a long time. Erect my health, 1067 01:00:53,080 --> 01:00:55,520 Speaker 1: It funked up with my blood pressure, it did all 1068 01:00:55,560 --> 01:00:58,640 Speaker 1: of these things. I get it let's get out of it. 1069 01:00:59,120 --> 01:01:02,840 Speaker 1: I am not going for anyone. I am not for 1070 01:01:02,880 --> 01:01:07,240 Speaker 1: anybody gonna come to the same dead end over and 1071 01:01:07,440 --> 01:01:10,360 Speaker 1: over and over again with you just because you like 1072 01:01:10,480 --> 01:01:14,200 Speaker 1: to drive. Either we're driving through this motherfucker, we're taking 1073 01:01:14,240 --> 01:01:16,760 Speaker 1: a different route, and and and and and and so 1074 01:01:16,880 --> 01:01:21,120 Speaker 1: for me, that's the thing. The thing is, how do 1075 01:01:21,280 --> 01:01:24,480 Speaker 1: I kind of put all that together to really let 1076 01:01:24,480 --> 01:01:26,400 Speaker 1: people know that I'm on their side and I just 1077 01:01:26,440 --> 01:01:29,280 Speaker 1: want better for them if they want better for themselves, 1078 01:01:29,480 --> 01:01:31,960 Speaker 1: if you're happy, and there are a lot of people, 1079 01:01:32,000 --> 01:01:36,080 Speaker 1: by the way, this is something that's under um articulated. 1080 01:01:36,200 --> 01:01:38,680 Speaker 1: There are plenty of people that are flat that that 1081 01:01:38,720 --> 01:01:43,080 Speaker 1: are if you're fat, fluffy, a little pudgy, that are 1082 01:01:43,120 --> 01:01:48,680 Speaker 1: completely happy with themselves, love themselves. Put the light on 1083 01:01:48,840 --> 01:01:51,600 Speaker 1: me all of that, and they don't want to and 1084 01:01:51,640 --> 01:01:55,600 Speaker 1: they're living their best life cupcakes, and all actually envy 1085 01:01:55,680 --> 01:01:59,920 Speaker 1: them because I couldn't be one of them. For the 1086 01:02:00,040 --> 01:02:02,880 Speaker 1: other people, but that wasn't your path. This may just 1087 01:02:03,000 --> 01:02:05,880 Speaker 1: be the thing that isn't really important them for them 1088 01:02:05,880 --> 01:02:08,200 Speaker 1: to know we're change in this life? Is there? So 1089 01:02:08,280 --> 01:02:10,560 Speaker 1: there maybe other ships you know you're saying, you're saying 1090 01:02:10,600 --> 01:02:13,520 Speaker 1: that maybe they'll get it right when they come back. 1091 01:02:13,920 --> 01:02:16,080 Speaker 1: Then well maybe it won't even be an issue when 1092 01:02:16,080 --> 01:02:18,480 Speaker 1: they come back, Like maybe that this is just whatever 1093 01:02:19,360 --> 01:02:21,960 Speaker 1: form they needed to take to have the experiences that 1094 01:02:22,000 --> 01:02:24,560 Speaker 1: they were supposed to have, you know, just because like 1095 01:02:24,640 --> 01:02:27,080 Speaker 1: I like, I just want people to get what they want. Yes, 1096 01:02:27,320 --> 01:02:30,560 Speaker 1: like my thing is too when you being in a 1097 01:02:30,600 --> 01:02:33,600 Speaker 1: state of compassion for other people, and maybe like the 1098 01:02:33,640 --> 01:02:37,160 Speaker 1: limits they put on themselves doesn't mean that they have 1099 01:02:37,240 --> 01:02:39,440 Speaker 1: to be a part of your everyday life. Just like 1100 01:02:39,520 --> 01:02:41,760 Speaker 1: choosing to forgive somebody doesn't mean you have to have 1101 01:02:41,840 --> 01:02:44,040 Speaker 1: them as an active member in your life. You're just 1102 01:02:44,160 --> 01:02:47,520 Speaker 1: choosing to be done with whatever suffering you were feeling 1103 01:02:47,560 --> 01:02:51,040 Speaker 1: about the experience you had with them. Right, So I'm 1104 01:02:51,120 --> 01:02:54,600 Speaker 1: compassionate for everybody, no matter what level of growth they're 1105 01:02:54,600 --> 01:02:57,440 Speaker 1: at or what however they're choosing to stunt themselves. But 1106 01:02:57,480 --> 01:02:59,240 Speaker 1: it also doesn't mean that I'm going to kick it 1107 01:02:59,280 --> 01:03:02,520 Speaker 1: with them all day, like the level of conversations that 1108 01:03:02,600 --> 01:03:04,760 Speaker 1: I want to have to feel like a fulfilled human, 1109 01:03:04,960 --> 01:03:07,000 Speaker 1: I can't operate with them doing that, right, But I 1110 01:03:07,040 --> 01:03:09,480 Speaker 1: can still send them love and I can still not 1111 01:03:09,560 --> 01:03:11,320 Speaker 1: be in judgment of them. But it doesn't mean, we're 1112 01:03:11,400 --> 01:03:15,000 Speaker 1: kicking it. You know, I don't judge anyone for anything, right, 1113 01:03:15,120 --> 01:03:19,040 Speaker 1: but I really that's the only rule that I have 1114 01:03:19,280 --> 01:03:22,480 Speaker 1: is yo. Do I love that. I love that you 1115 01:03:22,520 --> 01:03:24,680 Speaker 1: share that though about the way stuff because like for me, 1116 01:03:24,920 --> 01:03:27,720 Speaker 1: like my my weight has fluctuated my entire life. I've 1117 01:03:27,720 --> 01:03:31,560 Speaker 1: had times where I have been skin knee ribs popped 1118 01:03:31,560 --> 01:03:34,680 Speaker 1: out like skinny, skinny skinny, and I have had times 1119 01:03:34,720 --> 01:03:38,120 Speaker 1: where I've been super on fluff. Right now, I'm just 1120 01:03:38,200 --> 01:03:40,720 Speaker 1: kind of in the middle. Um. But when I have 1121 01:03:40,880 --> 01:03:45,360 Speaker 1: my baby, I gained sixty five pounds. That was really 1122 01:03:45,440 --> 01:03:47,840 Speaker 1: hard for me. A lot of it was Sam, he's big. 1123 01:03:48,240 --> 01:03:53,760 Speaker 1: He's big, but I walked to the house. He was like, 1124 01:03:52,160 --> 01:03:58,560 Speaker 1: do would never know? But you know? And and I 1125 01:03:58,640 --> 01:04:04,880 Speaker 1: felt like people want to have so much um uninvited 1126 01:04:04,920 --> 01:04:09,120 Speaker 1: conversation with women who have babies about their bodies, either 1127 01:04:09,280 --> 01:04:12,000 Speaker 1: overly trying to tell them, girl, don't worry about losing weight. 1128 01:04:12,200 --> 01:04:15,080 Speaker 1: You just enjoy your baby and you just relax. Then 1129 01:04:15,120 --> 01:04:17,080 Speaker 1: people say, oh, you need a snap back, you gotta 1130 01:04:17,120 --> 01:04:19,520 Speaker 1: start working out, And it's just all of this conversation 1131 01:04:19,600 --> 01:04:21,600 Speaker 1: that no one really has the right to have with you. 1132 01:04:22,200 --> 01:04:24,000 Speaker 1: But for me and I was talking to my girlfriend 1133 01:04:24,040 --> 01:04:26,360 Speaker 1: and she was like, why are you pushing yourself so hard? Like, girl, 1134 01:04:26,400 --> 01:04:29,480 Speaker 1: you should just be relaxing. Well, I know myself, I 1135 01:04:29,560 --> 01:04:31,800 Speaker 1: know me, and I know that me carrying around this 1136 01:04:31,920 --> 01:04:35,000 Speaker 1: much extra weight will plummet me into a space of depression. 1137 01:04:35,480 --> 01:04:37,840 Speaker 1: I won't be able to feel like my best self 1138 01:04:38,160 --> 01:04:43,360 Speaker 1: one because my body Ethan hurts. Weight add so much 1139 01:04:43,480 --> 01:04:46,640 Speaker 1: pressure to your joints. I was walking around after him, 1140 01:04:46,680 --> 01:04:49,760 Speaker 1: my hip kept like popping out of place, my knees 1141 01:04:49,760 --> 01:04:53,320 Speaker 1: were swollen, my ankles like I was in pain. So 1142 01:04:53,440 --> 01:04:56,080 Speaker 1: for me, carrying that weight, no matter how much I 1143 01:04:56,520 --> 01:05:00,720 Speaker 1: love myself, did not feel good. And I didn't want 1144 01:05:00,720 --> 01:05:03,240 Speaker 1: to feel like that every day. For some people it's 1145 01:05:03,280 --> 01:05:06,400 Speaker 1: completely fine. For me, it was not right. And so 1146 01:05:06,880 --> 01:05:10,320 Speaker 1: I was like, I need to add minimum drop twenty 1147 01:05:10,320 --> 01:05:13,200 Speaker 1: pounds just so I can walk better and feel better 1148 01:05:13,240 --> 01:05:16,480 Speaker 1: about looking at myself, so that I can approach everything 1149 01:05:16,520 --> 01:05:18,960 Speaker 1: in my life with the same level of enthusiasm and 1150 01:05:19,080 --> 01:05:21,280 Speaker 1: joy that I want to approach it, you know, and 1151 01:05:21,320 --> 01:05:24,000 Speaker 1: so well people have follow me on Instagram. No, but 1152 01:05:24,080 --> 01:05:27,320 Speaker 1: I do keto and I dropped all sixty five pounds 1153 01:05:27,320 --> 01:05:31,760 Speaker 1: plus some more, And it wasn't about snapping back. It 1154 01:05:31,800 --> 01:05:36,800 Speaker 1: wasn't about people finding me attractive or giving me, you know, kudos. 1155 01:05:37,120 --> 01:05:39,600 Speaker 1: It was about I need to do this for me 1156 01:05:39,680 --> 01:05:42,680 Speaker 1: because I know myself. I know how I function, I 1157 01:05:42,760 --> 01:05:44,480 Speaker 1: know what I'm my highest self, and I know when 1158 01:05:44,480 --> 01:05:47,720 Speaker 1: I'm in out of alignment. I want to be in alignment. 1159 01:05:47,760 --> 01:05:52,360 Speaker 1: And to be that way, I have to practice joyful discipline, 1160 01:05:52,560 --> 01:05:57,560 Speaker 1: right like I have to have an exuberant excitement for 1161 01:05:57,720 --> 01:06:01,600 Speaker 1: applying discipline to my life. I think that that's my 1162 01:06:03,240 --> 01:06:08,960 Speaker 1: that's my entire life's mantra right there, joyful discipline. It 1163 01:06:09,160 --> 01:06:15,480 Speaker 1: is actually fun. I will say this though today is 1164 01:06:15,520 --> 01:06:18,320 Speaker 1: my last day as a vegan. I tried it for 1165 01:06:18,360 --> 01:06:22,400 Speaker 1: two days. Welcome back to the dark. Said, my head hurts, 1166 01:06:23,080 --> 01:06:25,600 Speaker 1: and it is not worth it, like like it is. 1167 01:06:26,320 --> 01:06:30,080 Speaker 1: It's just not worth it. Like it's like if everybody's 1168 01:06:30,120 --> 01:06:31,520 Speaker 1: like pushed through it, pushed through it. When I say 1169 01:06:31,600 --> 01:06:35,040 Speaker 1: my head hurts, my head is banging. How many days 1170 01:06:35,040 --> 01:06:38,400 Speaker 1: have you been doing it? Since? Monday? Is the withdrawal 1171 01:06:38,440 --> 01:06:40,880 Speaker 1: they say from everything. But I don't think I did 1172 01:06:40,960 --> 01:06:44,400 Speaker 1: the right way, so whatever. But when I say joyful discipline, 1173 01:06:44,480 --> 01:06:48,640 Speaker 1: like one another thing that people have to understand because 1174 01:06:48,680 --> 01:06:51,800 Speaker 1: we're taught to be in uh in a society where 1175 01:06:51,840 --> 01:06:55,080 Speaker 1: we consume so much, is that saying no it can 1176 01:06:55,080 --> 01:06:58,800 Speaker 1: be as pleasurable as saying yes, Yeah, I love it, 1177 01:06:59,000 --> 01:07:02,880 Speaker 1: and and like and and like like saying no can 1178 01:07:02,960 --> 01:07:07,360 Speaker 1: be as fulfilling as indulging. Like when I when I 1179 01:07:07,400 --> 01:07:09,880 Speaker 1: see a lot of people like really going hand, like 1180 01:07:10,040 --> 01:07:12,080 Speaker 1: we were just on vacation, and we all on a vacation, 1181 01:07:12,160 --> 01:07:14,360 Speaker 1: we like this, what did you do? But like when 1182 01:07:14,360 --> 01:07:16,840 Speaker 1: I see a lot of people indulging into something, and 1183 01:07:17,000 --> 01:07:19,280 Speaker 1: I know I'm not doing something that's going to make 1184 01:07:19,320 --> 01:07:22,920 Speaker 1: me feel bad, that makes me happy. I know I'm 1185 01:07:22,960 --> 01:07:26,120 Speaker 1: avoiding something that's gonna feel bad. You don't feel like 1186 01:07:26,160 --> 01:07:28,600 Speaker 1: you're lacking something. You don't feel like you're missing out 1187 01:07:28,680 --> 01:07:32,840 Speaker 1: on things like that's typically you view limiting certain things 1188 01:07:32,840 --> 01:07:36,040 Speaker 1: from your diet as a punishment instead of looking at 1189 01:07:36,080 --> 01:07:41,560 Speaker 1: us like, I'm joyfully disciplined for the results. That was 1190 01:07:41,760 --> 01:07:45,160 Speaker 1: big for me because I used to really resent having 1191 01:07:45,720 --> 01:07:48,560 Speaker 1: discipline in my personal life because I was so regimented 1192 01:07:48,600 --> 01:07:51,680 Speaker 1: for like working career, and I felt like, dang, I 1193 01:07:51,720 --> 01:07:53,440 Speaker 1: do all of this and I'm such a good person, 1194 01:07:53,560 --> 01:07:55,840 Speaker 1: Like why am I punishing myself? You know, it was 1195 01:07:55,960 --> 01:07:59,760 Speaker 1: really hard for me to maintain discipline for my body 1196 01:07:59,840 --> 01:08:03,320 Speaker 1: and my health in my personal life. And as soon 1197 01:08:03,360 --> 01:08:07,080 Speaker 1: as I heard the term joyful discipline and I put 1198 01:08:07,080 --> 01:08:12,480 Speaker 1: those two things together, it completely shifted my perspective and 1199 01:08:12,480 --> 01:08:16,519 Speaker 1: and changed like a light switch, changed everything how I 1200 01:08:16,640 --> 01:08:18,639 Speaker 1: viewed it, and I was able to say, like, oh wow, 1201 01:08:18,760 --> 01:08:24,280 Speaker 1: like I'm making these choices to reward myself to feel 1202 01:08:24,320 --> 01:08:26,679 Speaker 1: like the best version of me. And it's not always easy. 1203 01:08:26,760 --> 01:08:29,000 Speaker 1: You have to be able to see how something is 1204 01:08:29,040 --> 01:08:31,599 Speaker 1: affecting you negatively, and that takes a little soul searching too. 1205 01:08:31,640 --> 01:08:34,240 Speaker 1: You have to sometimes it's not always easy to see 1206 01:08:34,520 --> 01:08:37,439 Speaker 1: when something's burning you or when you can be without something. 1207 01:08:37,479 --> 01:08:40,559 Speaker 1: But everything is a process. It's all a process. And 1208 01:08:40,760 --> 01:08:44,439 Speaker 1: you know, I wanna I wanna talk about an origin 1209 01:08:44,560 --> 01:08:47,680 Speaker 1: story really quick, okay, because you have a movie to 1210 01:08:47,720 --> 01:08:49,639 Speaker 1: go to, but I have things I want to say, 1211 01:08:52,120 --> 01:08:54,519 Speaker 1: So I want to talk about how we met. We 1212 01:08:54,600 --> 01:09:00,760 Speaker 1: have a mutual best friend, Charlemagne, the god leonard Um 1213 01:09:00,800 --> 01:09:04,280 Speaker 1: And it's so funny, man, because I did not this 1214 01:09:04,360 --> 01:09:06,200 Speaker 1: was probably I mean, this is some years ago, so 1215 01:09:06,240 --> 01:09:08,200 Speaker 1: I was probably just in a more judgy phase than 1216 01:09:08,240 --> 01:09:10,840 Speaker 1: I am now. But I did not think that I 1217 01:09:10,920 --> 01:09:14,240 Speaker 1: was going to dig you interesting? Why not? I thought 1218 01:09:14,240 --> 01:09:18,599 Speaker 1: you were really like stuck up, Okay, but you're not 1219 01:09:18,680 --> 01:09:22,200 Speaker 1: at all. But it was interesting because like at that time, 1220 01:09:22,720 --> 01:09:25,559 Speaker 1: so anybody that heard my episode with Charlemagne or read 1221 01:09:25,640 --> 01:09:28,559 Speaker 1: his first book. We've been friends for a long time, 1222 01:09:28,680 --> 01:09:31,800 Speaker 1: but specifically like I was his l A connect Born 1223 01:09:31,800 --> 01:09:34,000 Speaker 1: and raised in l A. We would crash on each 1224 01:09:34,000 --> 01:09:36,519 Speaker 1: other's couches. He would always crash with me in my 1225 01:09:36,520 --> 01:09:40,040 Speaker 1: little studio apartment, um, and when I went to New York, 1226 01:09:40,040 --> 01:09:43,599 Speaker 1: I would do the same. So whenever he came here, 1227 01:09:43,600 --> 01:09:45,200 Speaker 1: there was not a moment he was step in the 1228 01:09:45,240 --> 01:09:49,320 Speaker 1: city that I was not. We weren't next to each other, right, 1229 01:09:49,840 --> 01:09:52,400 Speaker 1: And then I moved away and I happened to be 1230 01:09:52,439 --> 01:09:54,840 Speaker 1: in l A. I think I was here for like 1231 01:09:55,040 --> 01:09:58,679 Speaker 1: a press junket. I was screening a movie, interviewing the cast. 1232 01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:01,720 Speaker 1: I meet up with him for dinner and then you're 1233 01:10:01,760 --> 01:10:04,200 Speaker 1: there and I'm like, who's this guy? And you're like 1234 01:10:04,240 --> 01:10:06,439 Speaker 1: this new bestie that I hadn't heard of, and I'm like, 1235 01:10:06,439 --> 01:10:13,080 Speaker 1: who is he? Right? And you were so rude, yo, 1236 01:10:13,160 --> 01:10:15,680 Speaker 1: like you just wanted to have like one on one 1237 01:10:15,680 --> 01:10:17,880 Speaker 1: time with Charlottagne. You were You were irritated that I 1238 01:10:17,920 --> 01:10:19,559 Speaker 1: was there, just like I was irritated you were there. 1239 01:10:20,640 --> 01:10:23,400 Speaker 1: So you were like not conversing with me. I would 1240 01:10:23,479 --> 01:10:25,479 Speaker 1: like try to add a little point in and you're 1241 01:10:25,520 --> 01:10:29,839 Speaker 1: just like, yeah, well, this is a real problem with America, 1242 01:10:30,040 --> 01:10:31,800 Speaker 1: and like you were just like doing you know what 1243 01:10:31,840 --> 01:10:34,679 Speaker 1: I was doing the thing I was talking about earlier. 1244 01:10:36,360 --> 01:10:38,439 Speaker 1: I was in a situation why I wasn't. I didn't 1245 01:10:38,479 --> 01:10:40,599 Speaker 1: really know a lot of people, and what I was 1246 01:10:40,680 --> 01:10:44,000 Speaker 1: doing in that situation was making sure that people that 1247 01:10:45,680 --> 01:10:48,240 Speaker 1: I definitely knew you were smart as well I was. 1248 01:10:48,320 --> 01:10:52,000 Speaker 1: But also he put you around so many people that 1249 01:10:52,120 --> 01:10:57,679 Speaker 1: you don't know, and he knows all of them. Yeah, 1250 01:10:57,840 --> 01:11:01,679 Speaker 1: so they fall right into their own rhythm and who's 1251 01:11:01,680 --> 01:11:05,240 Speaker 1: gonna pass me the ball? So so, so and so, 1252 01:11:05,320 --> 01:11:08,760 Speaker 1: and in a lot of ways, it was just like 1253 01:11:08,880 --> 01:11:11,320 Speaker 1: being back in the old situation again, not that there 1254 01:11:11,360 --> 01:11:14,240 Speaker 1: was well, yeah, you just don't want to fit like 1255 01:11:14,280 --> 01:11:18,200 Speaker 1: you're sitting there, you know, and you're sitting there with everybody, 1256 01:11:18,200 --> 01:11:21,000 Speaker 1: and you never know. One day we had dinner and 1257 01:11:21,080 --> 01:11:23,559 Speaker 1: justin timber Lay came to the you know what I'm saying. 1258 01:11:23,600 --> 01:11:26,360 Speaker 1: So it's like, so It's like that was so funny. Yeah, 1259 01:11:26,360 --> 01:11:29,080 Speaker 1: it was random. And so were we were at the 1260 01:11:29,120 --> 01:11:34,000 Speaker 1: Beverly Hills. What's that hotel on Will shirts like it 1261 01:11:34,040 --> 01:11:35,680 Speaker 1: was in Pretty Woman. We were at that hotel? How 1262 01:11:35,720 --> 01:11:39,519 Speaker 1: many Yeah that cut right? Um, yeah, at the at 1263 01:11:39,560 --> 01:11:41,600 Speaker 1: the Beverly willshirt And so you you never know. And 1264 01:11:41,640 --> 01:11:46,240 Speaker 1: so in that situation, especially for me, like you're around 1265 01:11:46,280 --> 01:11:49,479 Speaker 1: these people and he doesn't do anything better than he 1266 01:11:49,600 --> 01:11:55,520 Speaker 1: just talks somebody up. He talks somebody up so amazingly. 1267 01:11:56,120 --> 01:12:00,679 Speaker 1: He's like, yo, uh home girl be about to come, 1268 01:12:01,320 --> 01:12:03,479 Speaker 1: super dope. You're gonna love her. This is what Devy 1269 01:12:03,520 --> 01:12:06,320 Speaker 1: has done. Blah blah blah blah blah. And so when 1270 01:12:06,360 --> 01:12:07,920 Speaker 1: you get there, you go, oh, Ship, I need to 1271 01:12:07,960 --> 01:12:09,840 Speaker 1: know Debbie Deviie is somebody who I need to be 1272 01:12:09,880 --> 01:12:12,960 Speaker 1: cool with. Let me make sure that DeBie knows. And 1273 01:12:13,000 --> 01:12:14,760 Speaker 1: I'm with the Ship and blah blah. You know what 1274 01:12:14,800 --> 01:12:17,799 Speaker 1: I'm saying, and you and you end up doing that. Oh, 1275 01:12:17,960 --> 01:12:20,280 Speaker 1: this is my man Chip, the funniest writer in the world. 1276 01:12:20,320 --> 01:12:22,439 Speaker 1: It is my man CP. It's all of these people 1277 01:12:22,439 --> 01:12:24,280 Speaker 1: that are around and blah blah blah blah. Only person 1278 01:12:24,360 --> 01:12:26,880 Speaker 1: doesn't do that with his wax, but like like like 1279 01:12:27,200 --> 01:12:30,040 Speaker 1: but everybody's around. So that was me doing that and 1280 01:12:30,080 --> 01:12:32,280 Speaker 1: so like shout out to child. I mean, he's such 1281 01:12:32,280 --> 01:12:34,960 Speaker 1: an incredible friend because he really is amazing for stuff 1282 01:12:35,000 --> 01:12:39,680 Speaker 1: like that, like he's the biggest advocate of his people. Like, 1283 01:12:39,760 --> 01:12:42,719 Speaker 1: but then I would see you over the years, every 1284 01:12:42,720 --> 01:12:44,680 Speaker 1: time i'd be in l A and he'd be in 1285 01:12:44,800 --> 01:12:46,880 Speaker 1: l A. Every time you would act like you didn't 1286 01:12:46,880 --> 01:12:48,880 Speaker 1: remember me. Like I'd be like, oh, Hi, nice to 1287 01:12:48,880 --> 01:12:52,920 Speaker 1: see you again. He'd be like what up. I'd be 1288 01:12:53,000 --> 01:12:56,400 Speaker 1: like yo, like I was, I was ready to catch 1289 01:12:56,439 --> 01:13:00,160 Speaker 1: Faithe like, listen, my dude, Like you cool, but I'm 1290 01:13:00,200 --> 01:13:03,479 Speaker 1: bad with that though. Yeah. That was extra. So then 1291 01:13:03,520 --> 01:13:06,160 Speaker 1: I wrote you off completely and so like we were 1292 01:13:06,320 --> 01:13:08,000 Speaker 1: we were somewhere else and I was like, oh no, 1293 01:13:08,080 --> 01:13:11,160 Speaker 1: there's Van yeah the other way. Um. And then a 1294 01:13:11,200 --> 01:13:15,920 Speaker 1: couple of years ago we ended up at the et together. 1295 01:13:16,560 --> 01:13:20,479 Speaker 1: We were at Charlemagne was doing an experience, the one 1296 01:13:20,520 --> 01:13:23,760 Speaker 1: of the BT experiences, and the first time I met 1297 01:13:24,080 --> 01:13:29,720 Speaker 1: Yes Yeah and Sa Ray too, and it was it 1298 01:13:29,800 --> 01:13:33,120 Speaker 1: was just a beautiful, beautiful day, and so we were 1299 01:13:33,160 --> 01:13:35,800 Speaker 1: backstage and then we ended up next to each other 1300 01:13:35,840 --> 01:13:38,200 Speaker 1: and I was not going to deal with you. Not 1301 01:13:38,320 --> 01:13:40,280 Speaker 1: in a judgmental way, but I was just like, well, 1302 01:13:40,320 --> 01:13:42,240 Speaker 1: you know, this guy's in his own world. I'm not 1303 01:13:42,240 --> 01:13:44,519 Speaker 1: going to give it no energy. Yeah. I was a 1304 01:13:44,520 --> 01:13:46,560 Speaker 1: little more involved by then, but I'm just like, you know, 1305 01:13:46,600 --> 01:13:50,400 Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna exert my energy for people. You 1306 01:13:50,400 --> 01:13:53,559 Speaker 1: know that I can have good conversation with um. And 1307 01:13:53,640 --> 01:13:57,360 Speaker 1: so we ended up we wanted to see the AVA talk, 1308 01:13:57,560 --> 01:14:00,280 Speaker 1: so we left backstage and we just ended up walking together. 1309 01:14:01,040 --> 01:14:05,240 Speaker 1: Somehow that turned into me and you spending hours together 1310 01:14:05,280 --> 01:14:08,920 Speaker 1: that day. Like we left the convention center downtown l A. 1311 01:14:09,200 --> 01:14:12,080 Speaker 1: And then we just started walking the streets and then 1312 01:14:12,160 --> 01:14:14,280 Speaker 1: we I was like, oh, you want me to give 1313 01:14:14,280 --> 01:14:15,880 Speaker 1: you a ride home? So you hopped in my car 1314 01:14:15,920 --> 01:14:19,240 Speaker 1: and then we sat in the car for hours, talking 1315 01:14:19,280 --> 01:14:22,439 Speaker 1: about everything under the sun. And we've been thick as 1316 01:14:22,479 --> 01:14:24,479 Speaker 1: thieves ever since. And I'm like, oh, I love man. 1317 01:14:24,600 --> 01:14:28,160 Speaker 1: He's an amazing friend, great guy, UM. And you know 1318 01:14:28,200 --> 01:14:29,479 Speaker 1: now we're a part of each other's lives and I 1319 01:14:29,520 --> 01:14:32,360 Speaker 1: think you're amazing, UM. But you know what happened. We 1320 01:14:32,400 --> 01:14:36,760 Speaker 1: had a conversation when no one was watching, So I 1321 01:14:36,800 --> 01:14:38,800 Speaker 1: mean I probably didn't matter for you as much because 1322 01:14:38,800 --> 01:14:41,160 Speaker 1: you're probably much more secure person than I was. But 1323 01:14:41,400 --> 01:14:45,320 Speaker 1: that conversation was and I'm even a different person now 1324 01:14:45,360 --> 01:14:48,439 Speaker 1: than I was then, but that conversation was death. We 1325 01:14:48,439 --> 01:14:54,240 Speaker 1: were talking about relationships and humanity, and there was vulnerability 1326 01:14:54,280 --> 01:14:58,080 Speaker 1: in that conversation, and there was connection in that conversation. 1327 01:14:58,120 --> 01:15:02,479 Speaker 1: And I remember even calling him and be like, oh, man, like, 1328 01:15:03,080 --> 01:15:07,559 Speaker 1: is Deavy like a therapist? And and and he was like, 1329 01:15:07,880 --> 01:15:10,120 Speaker 1: he was like, she got you high. I was like, yo, 1330 01:15:10,520 --> 01:15:12,720 Speaker 1: she just like she was just relating in a real 1331 01:15:12,920 --> 01:15:14,800 Speaker 1: human way. But it was it was the kind of 1332 01:15:14,840 --> 01:15:19,280 Speaker 1: connection that happens when I'm not at dinner trying to 1333 01:15:19,320 --> 01:15:23,000 Speaker 1: impress my homeboys or trying to impress other people that 1334 01:15:23,040 --> 01:15:26,160 Speaker 1: I don't know, thinking is that in some industry ship, which, 1335 01:15:26,280 --> 01:15:28,599 Speaker 1: by the way, that was on me. It never really 1336 01:15:28,680 --> 01:15:31,240 Speaker 1: was like that. Everybody would just be chilling and and 1337 01:15:31,240 --> 01:15:34,799 Speaker 1: and and really since those situations now where we all together, 1338 01:15:35,360 --> 01:15:37,880 Speaker 1: it's all everybody just chilling. That's the last place you 1339 01:15:37,880 --> 01:15:40,519 Speaker 1: should be thinking about something like that. But that's what 1340 01:15:40,560 --> 01:15:42,519 Speaker 1: I was on. Yeah, yeah, you know what I'm saying, 1341 01:15:42,600 --> 01:15:48,680 Speaker 1: like and so like it was it was just like 1342 01:15:48,720 --> 01:15:50,880 Speaker 1: a like like a like a whole deal and it 1343 01:15:50,960 --> 01:15:55,839 Speaker 1: was really getting to know somebody, you know. I remember 1344 01:15:55,880 --> 01:16:01,160 Speaker 1: even when we were walking around, um like uh the 1345 01:16:01,280 --> 01:16:04,920 Speaker 1: BT thing and people kept like saying, there's a guy 1346 01:16:05,000 --> 01:16:07,439 Speaker 1: from tm and it was just like it was it 1347 01:16:07,560 --> 01:16:10,680 Speaker 1: was like for me because we were walking out of 1348 01:16:10,680 --> 01:16:12,240 Speaker 1: here and I said to you, I actually said, I 1349 01:16:12,280 --> 01:16:15,000 Speaker 1: don't know if you remember this. I said, this is 1350 01:16:15,040 --> 01:16:18,360 Speaker 1: about to be a nightmare. Yeah, and I And it's 1351 01:16:18,400 --> 01:16:21,679 Speaker 1: so funny because I knew. I knew that you worked 1352 01:16:21,680 --> 01:16:23,800 Speaker 1: in entertainment obviously, right like I knew you were a 1353 01:16:23,880 --> 01:16:27,120 Speaker 1: part of TMZ, but I had never seen the show 1354 01:16:27,200 --> 01:16:29,800 Speaker 1: because you know, just in this in this moment of 1355 01:16:29,840 --> 01:16:32,880 Speaker 1: my growth, um, which was also I talked about a 1356 01:16:32,960 --> 01:16:35,599 Speaker 1: lot of struggle with me continuing to work in radio 1357 01:16:35,720 --> 01:16:38,160 Speaker 1: is I got so sick of having to come up 1358 01:16:38,200 --> 01:16:42,720 Speaker 1: with judgments and opinions about people, you know, And so 1359 01:16:42,800 --> 01:16:46,720 Speaker 1: I was I hate that, Yeah, I don't like like 1360 01:16:47,520 --> 01:16:50,639 Speaker 1: it's truly what really made me have to lend yourself 1361 01:16:50,640 --> 01:16:53,599 Speaker 1: the same negative things, always have to think about something 1362 01:16:53,640 --> 01:16:56,479 Speaker 1: to say about somebody. If you notice, I like I've 1363 01:16:56,520 --> 01:17:00,160 Speaker 1: refrained on it. I hate that not only doing not 1364 01:17:00,200 --> 01:17:02,200 Speaker 1: only do I not care about some of these people's lives, 1365 01:17:02,240 --> 01:17:07,320 Speaker 1: at all. I wish you the best, actually, like you 1366 01:17:07,360 --> 01:17:11,680 Speaker 1: don't have nothing, I swear if there's not one. If 1367 01:17:11,680 --> 01:17:15,000 Speaker 1: there's one takeaway that we've talked that you take away 1368 01:17:15,000 --> 01:17:21,040 Speaker 1: from this brilliant conversation, is that I wish you the best. 1369 01:17:22,479 --> 01:17:24,519 Speaker 1: If you got caught with, if you if you got 1370 01:17:24,520 --> 01:17:26,800 Speaker 1: a d U, I I wish you the best, if 1371 01:17:26,800 --> 01:17:28,800 Speaker 1: you bought a new house, I wish you the best. 1372 01:17:28,880 --> 01:17:31,320 Speaker 1: Any fucking dumbass story that ends up, I wish you 1373 01:17:31,360 --> 01:17:34,719 Speaker 1: the best. Man I like, I like like, I don't 1374 01:17:34,840 --> 01:17:38,120 Speaker 1: even I don't even care to have an opinion, and 1375 01:17:38,160 --> 01:17:44,400 Speaker 1: if I have an opinion, it's all up, Like if I, 1376 01:17:44,400 --> 01:17:46,439 Speaker 1: if I am I. There used to be a point 1377 01:17:46,439 --> 01:17:48,559 Speaker 1: where I would sit and be on the show and 1378 01:17:48,600 --> 01:17:51,599 Speaker 1: say pithy things all the time and get a yuck 1379 01:17:51,720 --> 01:17:53,920 Speaker 1: up and get it, get get a happy. And then 1380 01:17:53,960 --> 01:17:56,479 Speaker 1: you at some place and you see somebody getting out 1381 01:17:56,479 --> 01:18:00,599 Speaker 1: of the car um with their kid, and you just 1382 01:18:00,680 --> 01:18:02,680 Speaker 1: kick their back in a week before or even now 1383 01:18:02,720 --> 01:18:04,880 Speaker 1: even keep them back in or had an opinion about 1384 01:18:04,880 --> 01:18:07,559 Speaker 1: their life, and it's just wild to me. I don't 1385 01:18:08,000 --> 01:18:09,519 Speaker 1: I really don't like that. I don't want to be 1386 01:18:09,560 --> 01:18:13,240 Speaker 1: in judgment of people like I I just don't have 1387 01:18:13,320 --> 01:18:17,280 Speaker 1: too much compassion. Yeah, even if you're up, I hope 1388 01:18:17,280 --> 01:18:21,519 Speaker 1: you get out of it. Yeah yeah, right, even honestly, 1389 01:18:22,720 --> 01:18:26,680 Speaker 1: where where my emotional growth is at this moment, It's like, 1390 01:18:26,760 --> 01:18:29,320 Speaker 1: even if you try to cause me harm or wish 1391 01:18:29,360 --> 01:18:32,559 Speaker 1: harm on me, I wish you love. Like, not only 1392 01:18:32,560 --> 01:18:35,559 Speaker 1: do I wish you love, I wish you wholeness and 1393 01:18:35,600 --> 01:18:38,320 Speaker 1: I wish you healing. I wish you depth of self, 1394 01:18:38,880 --> 01:18:41,400 Speaker 1: you know, because if you had access to all those 1395 01:18:41,439 --> 01:18:44,720 Speaker 1: things you want to be doing this. So there's compassion 1396 01:18:44,760 --> 01:18:47,439 Speaker 1: for the fact that you don't have it right now, 1397 01:18:47,680 --> 01:18:50,760 Speaker 1: you know. But so I say all that to say, I, 1398 01:18:51,080 --> 01:18:55,240 Speaker 1: uh so I knew obviously that people knew who you were, 1399 01:18:55,280 --> 01:19:01,439 Speaker 1: but I didn't know no. Right, we walked outside, yo, 1400 01:19:02,600 --> 01:19:05,479 Speaker 1: like you were mobbed and people and this is like 1401 01:19:05,520 --> 01:19:08,599 Speaker 1: before the Kanye thing, this a few years before, and 1402 01:19:08,640 --> 01:19:12,719 Speaker 1: I mean people were so excited. And I actually brought 1403 01:19:12,720 --> 01:19:14,240 Speaker 1: this up to you recently. Is it okay if I 1404 01:19:14,280 --> 01:19:17,760 Speaker 1: talk about a conversation we had on the phone. So 1405 01:19:18,120 --> 01:19:20,000 Speaker 1: I like to give you a hard time on text, right, 1406 01:19:20,160 --> 01:19:23,240 Speaker 1: Like sometimes I just throw darts at you, you know, 1407 01:19:23,240 --> 01:19:26,440 Speaker 1: because I just I want to see what like really cerebral, 1408 01:19:26,640 --> 01:19:28,680 Speaker 1: brilliant response You're going to have back, right, so I'll 1409 01:19:28,720 --> 01:19:31,280 Speaker 1: give you a hard time. So I had sent you 1410 01:19:31,360 --> 01:19:33,960 Speaker 1: something like randomly out of the blue, I'll just text 1411 01:19:34,040 --> 01:19:37,000 Speaker 1: Van and be like shaking my head and it'd be 1412 01:19:37,040 --> 01:19:39,400 Speaker 1: like what what. I'll just be like and then I'll 1413 01:19:39,400 --> 01:19:41,160 Speaker 1: put like, you know, some emoji and I'll be like, 1414 01:19:41,920 --> 01:19:44,800 Speaker 1: you know, you'd be like what. And so then you 1415 01:19:44,880 --> 01:19:48,320 Speaker 1: actually called me, and I was gonna be like, jazz kidding, 1416 01:19:48,520 --> 01:19:51,479 Speaker 1: ha ha, and you were like, um, listen to have like, 1417 01:19:51,880 --> 01:19:54,639 Speaker 1: I'm going through a hard time right now. I don't 1418 01:19:54,760 --> 01:19:57,559 Speaker 1: need this, Like what what did I do? What are 1419 01:19:57,560 --> 01:20:00,200 Speaker 1: you mad about? Was particularly bad bout a way, And 1420 01:20:00,240 --> 01:20:02,640 Speaker 1: then I felt awful because I was like, oh, I 1421 01:20:02,760 --> 01:20:05,559 Speaker 1: was just kidding. But then I was like, well, what's 1422 01:20:05,600 --> 01:20:09,439 Speaker 1: going on? You know? And you know, you had just 1423 01:20:09,520 --> 01:20:12,160 Speaker 1: kind of shared like some conflict you were feeling about 1424 01:20:12,160 --> 01:20:15,559 Speaker 1: really everything. We just talked about about being a big 1425 01:20:15,640 --> 01:20:20,400 Speaker 1: figure in the world of entertainment but wanting like the 1426 01:20:20,439 --> 01:20:24,000 Speaker 1: best for people and having a hard time reconciling those 1427 01:20:24,000 --> 01:20:27,559 Speaker 1: two roles, like am I fully standing in my purpose? 1428 01:20:28,479 --> 01:20:31,639 Speaker 1: If I you know, I'm working for one of the 1429 01:20:31,680 --> 01:20:36,439 Speaker 1: biggest celebrity driven businesses in the world and if I'm 1430 01:20:36,439 --> 01:20:41,720 Speaker 1: participating in some salacious canter or you know, judgments or 1431 01:20:41,760 --> 01:20:45,439 Speaker 1: perceived judgments of people. And I remember I told you 1432 01:20:45,479 --> 01:20:48,640 Speaker 1: that day, like, yeah, you know there, it's the end 1433 01:20:48,680 --> 01:20:50,200 Speaker 1: in the yang. It's the dark in the light in 1434 01:20:50,200 --> 01:20:52,639 Speaker 1: the light in the dark. But you are serving such 1435 01:20:52,680 --> 01:20:55,760 Speaker 1: a bigger purpose because when I see people receive you 1436 01:20:56,000 --> 01:21:00,000 Speaker 1: right like even then, which was so far removed from 1437 01:21:00,120 --> 01:21:03,439 Speaker 1: of the brilliant like commentary that you have been giving 1438 01:21:03,479 --> 01:21:07,519 Speaker 1: and some of the amazing opportunities you're giving people on 1439 01:21:07,560 --> 01:21:11,080 Speaker 1: your platform, I was like, people saw you and had hope. 1440 01:21:11,160 --> 01:21:14,839 Speaker 1: And every single person that saw you, every single person, 1441 01:21:15,280 --> 01:21:23,200 Speaker 1: every black person, was like, man, man, you speak for me, Like, 1442 01:21:23,240 --> 01:21:26,920 Speaker 1: oh man, keep holding it down for us, Like everybody 1443 01:21:27,040 --> 01:21:29,880 Speaker 1: said that. And I'm like, then, like, you are being 1444 01:21:30,000 --> 01:21:32,760 Speaker 1: so hard on yourself for what you're perceiving, that you're 1445 01:21:32,760 --> 01:21:37,559 Speaker 1: not doing enough of that you're not appreciating who you've 1446 01:21:37,560 --> 01:21:40,240 Speaker 1: been in the world for so many people. Yeah, And 1447 01:21:40,920 --> 01:21:44,640 Speaker 1: I appreciate those words, and I really need to hear them. 1448 01:21:44,720 --> 01:21:47,320 Speaker 1: And that's why I'll tell people all the time, Man, 1449 01:21:48,439 --> 01:21:50,559 Speaker 1: don't hold the ship in because your angels don't know 1450 01:21:50,560 --> 01:21:52,720 Speaker 1: when to talk to you, like I really need to 1451 01:21:52,760 --> 01:21:57,840 Speaker 1: hear them, like like that was a particularly tough day 1452 01:21:57,960 --> 01:22:04,200 Speaker 1: to where I was like, like, you just wanna you 1453 01:22:04,240 --> 01:22:05,640 Speaker 1: want to be on the right side of things, and 1454 01:22:05,680 --> 01:22:08,400 Speaker 1: I just was like I'm not. I was. I was 1455 01:22:08,439 --> 01:22:10,559 Speaker 1: really like I can't, I can't, like I don't, you 1456 01:22:10,600 --> 01:22:13,439 Speaker 1: know whatever, And I needed to hear what you had 1457 01:22:13,439 --> 01:22:18,080 Speaker 1: to say. So when when when? Because I remember exactly 1458 01:22:18,080 --> 01:22:20,280 Speaker 1: what it was that you that that that you said, 1459 01:22:20,680 --> 01:22:22,679 Speaker 1: because you had this little running joke where you would 1460 01:22:22,680 --> 01:22:24,360 Speaker 1: see me since the Kanye thing and you'd be like 1461 01:22:25,160 --> 01:22:31,200 Speaker 1: you've changed and a hole. No, but that was you 1462 01:22:31,240 --> 01:22:33,240 Speaker 1: didn't to me a couple of times. One time you 1463 01:22:33,280 --> 01:22:36,439 Speaker 1: did it. It was comic genius because one time we 1464 01:22:36,479 --> 01:22:39,000 Speaker 1: saw we saw each other at the screening. It was 1465 01:22:39,040 --> 01:22:42,760 Speaker 1: the screening for us. It was a room of black excellence, 1466 01:22:42,800 --> 01:22:48,720 Speaker 1: Like that was one of the most John Legend, Ryan Coogler, everybody, 1467 01:22:48,720 --> 01:22:52,320 Speaker 1: it was ross. Everybody was in there right And I 1468 01:22:52,360 --> 01:22:54,840 Speaker 1: came over and I was talking to you, and then 1469 01:22:55,360 --> 01:22:57,519 Speaker 1: I actually did kind of pull a Hollywood move because 1470 01:22:57,520 --> 01:23:00,240 Speaker 1: somebody started talking to me. I turned around, like, yo, man, 1471 01:23:00,280 --> 01:23:02,360 Speaker 1: how's it going. Good to see you? And you looked 1472 01:23:02,400 --> 01:23:04,640 Speaker 1: at me and you went you just you kind of 1473 01:23:04,680 --> 01:23:06,960 Speaker 1: cut your eyes and you you looked into my eyes 1474 01:23:06,960 --> 01:23:13,880 Speaker 1: like you were searching, and You're like you're different, you 1475 01:23:13,880 --> 01:23:17,760 Speaker 1: You've changed and like, and I was like, it was 1476 01:23:17,800 --> 01:23:21,320 Speaker 1: so weird because I felt so convicted because I was like, yo, 1477 01:23:21,400 --> 01:23:24,960 Speaker 1: she just peep that Hollywood bullshit hello that I gave 1478 01:23:25,000 --> 01:23:28,040 Speaker 1: that guy. And then then we saw you saw me. 1479 01:23:28,120 --> 01:23:30,200 Speaker 1: It was very fair. And then you saw me again 1480 01:23:30,320 --> 01:23:35,679 Speaker 1: at Elliot's thing and shout saw me get an Elliot's thing, 1481 01:23:35,840 --> 01:23:37,920 Speaker 1: and you saw me and I did something else and 1482 01:23:38,000 --> 01:23:42,320 Speaker 1: you went yep a one point. I'm like, yo, I 1483 01:23:42,320 --> 01:23:44,639 Speaker 1: don't want to hear that ship no more. And then 1484 01:23:44,840 --> 01:23:47,200 Speaker 1: I think whatever the text was, you said it again 1485 01:23:47,320 --> 01:23:53,360 Speaker 1: and I was like yo, like but I wasn't mad. 1486 01:23:53,400 --> 01:23:56,599 Speaker 1: I was just like, it was like, Yo, damn, I'm 1487 01:23:56,640 --> 01:24:00,160 Speaker 1: sucked up right now. I gotta go, man, Yeah, you 1488 01:24:00,160 --> 01:24:02,720 Speaker 1: do have to go. Um. What was the last thing 1489 01:24:02,760 --> 01:24:11,759 Speaker 1: that I wanted to say? Okay, final thoughts? Um. Something 1490 01:24:11,800 --> 01:24:15,880 Speaker 1: I really loved about the Kanye situation. To me, it 1491 01:24:16,080 --> 01:24:21,600 Speaker 1: fully represents when preparation meets opportunity like that. And I 1492 01:24:21,680 --> 01:24:23,640 Speaker 1: remember we talked about it soon after it and you 1493 01:24:23,680 --> 01:24:25,840 Speaker 1: were like, yo, I went off in the matrix, like 1494 01:24:25,880 --> 01:24:29,240 Speaker 1: I feel like I just jumped like light years ahead. 1495 01:24:30,400 --> 01:24:32,600 Speaker 1: But who you are right now, the person that is 1496 01:24:33,320 --> 01:24:38,200 Speaker 1: beloved and wildly celebrated, that's who you've been, right. But 1497 01:24:38,280 --> 01:24:41,160 Speaker 1: it was the right opportunity that got even more eyes 1498 01:24:41,200 --> 01:24:43,880 Speaker 1: on you, that allowed you to be your authentic self 1499 01:24:43,920 --> 01:24:46,479 Speaker 1: in an even bigger way. And I think, like that 1500 01:24:46,600 --> 01:24:48,439 Speaker 1: piece of it, to me is something I find really 1501 01:24:48,479 --> 01:24:52,880 Speaker 1: really inspiring about your journey because that moment obviously, I 1502 01:24:52,920 --> 01:24:58,720 Speaker 1: mean catapulted you into new households, um but that's who 1503 01:24:58,800 --> 01:25:00,720 Speaker 1: you are, and all of of work you did to 1504 01:25:00,760 --> 01:25:03,200 Speaker 1: get to that point, even in the pain, right, even 1505 01:25:03,200 --> 01:25:06,800 Speaker 1: when you were you know, a little overweight, and your 1506 01:25:07,000 --> 01:25:10,680 Speaker 1: knowledge was a tool for you to hide yourself, right 1507 01:25:10,760 --> 01:25:13,080 Speaker 1: or a tool for you to shine when you felt unseen. 1508 01:25:14,200 --> 01:25:17,960 Speaker 1: Then you've done the self work and practice the joyful discipline, 1509 01:25:18,560 --> 01:25:21,840 Speaker 1: and you arrive at this moment in time where one 1510 01:25:21,840 --> 01:25:25,599 Speaker 1: of the biggest superstars in the world is getting a 1511 01:25:25,680 --> 01:25:28,120 Speaker 1: real dose of reality for you and you're getting in 1512 01:25:28,200 --> 01:25:30,559 Speaker 1: front of all these people. But all the work you 1513 01:25:30,600 --> 01:25:33,680 Speaker 1: did allowed you to be who you are in this 1514 01:25:33,760 --> 01:25:36,280 Speaker 1: moment right and allowed you to get all of the 1515 01:25:36,320 --> 01:25:40,040 Speaker 1: opportunity the book deals the screenwriting, like all of the 1516 01:25:40,080 --> 01:25:43,080 Speaker 1: things that you are ready were you know, So it's 1517 01:25:43,120 --> 01:25:45,439 Speaker 1: like not. And I think it's so important for people 1518 01:25:45,439 --> 01:25:48,519 Speaker 1: to really realize this, especially when they're searching for purpose. 1519 01:25:49,000 --> 01:25:52,120 Speaker 1: It is not the audience that makes you valuable. It's 1520 01:25:52,160 --> 01:25:54,320 Speaker 1: not the audience that gives you worth. That is not 1521 01:25:54,400 --> 01:25:56,360 Speaker 1: the thing that you should be seeking. You should be 1522 01:25:56,400 --> 01:26:00,519 Speaker 1: fine tuning yourselves at all times the time. And then Adelgia, Yeah, 1523 01:26:00,600 --> 01:26:04,080 Speaker 1: because you don't know when when a you know, Kanye 1524 01:26:04,120 --> 01:26:07,400 Speaker 1: West is going to walk into the room and and 1525 01:26:07,439 --> 01:26:09,360 Speaker 1: put all of these new eyes on you. And if 1526 01:26:09,400 --> 01:26:13,000 Speaker 1: you're not ready, if your character is not built, you 1527 01:26:13,120 --> 01:26:16,120 Speaker 1: will f off the opportunity. Be ready when it's your 1528 01:26:16,160 --> 01:26:20,479 Speaker 1: time the rap. Yeah, like where your bar is at, Like, yeah, 1529 01:26:20,760 --> 01:26:22,800 Speaker 1: would be when it's when it's your time the rap, 1530 01:26:23,280 --> 01:26:28,080 Speaker 1: be ready. And that's the that's the one thing that 1531 01:26:28,240 --> 01:26:31,679 Speaker 1: you can control. Man, it's people that's waiting for that moment. 1532 01:26:32,080 --> 01:26:36,320 Speaker 1: Sometimes it comes early, sometimes it comes late. Scary thing 1533 01:26:36,439 --> 01:26:39,080 Speaker 1: is sometimes it never comes. Sometimes you gotta make it happen. 1534 01:26:39,280 --> 01:26:42,240 Speaker 1: Sometimes you gotta sometimes you gotta kick the door down. 1535 01:26:42,720 --> 01:26:46,519 Speaker 1: But just be ready in that situation. It's like I 1536 01:26:46,600 --> 01:26:51,160 Speaker 1: was just actually really just reacting, really like in one 1537 01:26:51,200 --> 01:26:54,680 Speaker 1: million percent sincerity, I was just reacting. So I like 1538 01:26:54,720 --> 01:26:56,439 Speaker 1: to think that life got me ready, but there's so 1539 01:26:56,479 --> 01:27:00,519 Speaker 1: many other times and people's careers and people's lives like boom, 1540 01:27:00,560 --> 01:27:04,000 Speaker 1: you got one shot, what you got and just just 1541 01:27:04,040 --> 01:27:07,599 Speaker 1: trying to be as uh as as good as your 1542 01:27:07,600 --> 01:27:10,040 Speaker 1: talent in any in any spot that you're in, and 1543 01:27:10,080 --> 01:27:12,840 Speaker 1: find find your superpowers, find your gifts, like even the 1544 01:27:12,920 --> 01:27:15,479 Speaker 1: things that aren't celebrated. People think that gifts have to 1545 01:27:15,520 --> 01:27:18,800 Speaker 1: be some large grand gesture, Like just because you don't 1546 01:27:18,800 --> 01:27:23,120 Speaker 1: know how to you know, play basketball whatever, Um, doesn't 1547 01:27:23,160 --> 01:27:25,200 Speaker 1: mean that you don't have these like little easter eggs 1548 01:27:25,200 --> 01:27:27,720 Speaker 1: and you that are that are the defining things that 1549 01:27:27,760 --> 01:27:30,679 Speaker 1: set you apart um or that give you even more 1550 01:27:30,760 --> 01:27:33,840 Speaker 1: reaching ability to be of service to people. That's work. 1551 01:27:34,000 --> 01:27:37,320 Speaker 1: I mean, let yeah, Like for me, for me, it 1552 01:27:37,360 --> 01:27:41,439 Speaker 1: was it was really about understanding that some of the 1553 01:27:41,439 --> 01:27:44,920 Speaker 1: flaws that I had were actually hitting blessings and sort 1554 01:27:44,960 --> 01:27:51,000 Speaker 1: of just leaning into the fact um that everything that's 1555 01:27:51,120 --> 01:27:57,160 Speaker 1: made you is a part of you. And um, you 1556 01:27:57,280 --> 01:28:01,720 Speaker 1: gotta like you got to embrace the negative sometimes you 1557 01:28:02,000 --> 01:28:06,200 Speaker 1: gotta you gotta embrace them because you're going. We all 1558 01:28:06,240 --> 01:28:08,360 Speaker 1: have a shadow. And as soon as you can lean 1559 01:28:08,400 --> 01:28:11,479 Speaker 1: into the fact that there is absolutely, in no way, 1560 01:28:11,520 --> 01:28:15,400 Speaker 1: shape or form, anything that is perfect on this earth. 1561 01:28:15,880 --> 01:28:18,200 Speaker 1: As soon as you understand what the real flow of 1562 01:28:18,240 --> 01:28:20,920 Speaker 1: life is supposed to be, It's meant to be lived uncomfortably, 1563 01:28:21,360 --> 01:28:26,040 Speaker 1: it's meant to be in a constant search seeking answers 1564 01:28:26,080 --> 01:28:28,639 Speaker 1: to things. The better off you'll be, like, the more 1565 01:28:28,680 --> 01:28:31,920 Speaker 1: piece you'll have instantly, because you will never be perfect. 1566 01:28:31,960 --> 01:28:35,839 Speaker 1: The goal is just to be whole, whatever that is. 1567 01:28:37,160 --> 01:28:39,400 Speaker 1: Challenge yourself, man, all right, you gotta go. You have 1568 01:28:39,439 --> 01:28:41,800 Speaker 1: a really fancy, beautiful watch on. I want to shout 1569 01:28:41,800 --> 01:28:48,840 Speaker 1: out that wealth. Um, you know it's gorgeous. Real quick, 1570 01:28:50,000 --> 01:28:53,160 Speaker 1: I want to shout out my girl, Carly Hustle for 1571 01:28:53,200 --> 01:28:55,160 Speaker 1: a moment. And if you are not up on Carly, 1572 01:28:55,960 --> 01:28:58,519 Speaker 1: you need to follow her right now the Carly Hustle 1573 01:28:58,600 --> 01:29:02,920 Speaker 1: on Instagram and check her podcast called Brutally Honest. She 1574 01:29:03,320 --> 01:29:07,080 Speaker 1: is just one of the most phenomenal women that I've 1575 01:29:07,080 --> 01:29:10,880 Speaker 1: ever known or witnessed, and she is so brave. Right now, 1576 01:29:11,520 --> 01:29:17,760 Speaker 1: she's battling cancer and winning and sharing what she affectionately 1577 01:29:17,800 --> 01:29:21,240 Speaker 1: calls cancer content. And when I tell you some of 1578 01:29:21,280 --> 01:29:23,840 Speaker 1: the stuff that she shares and and the ways and 1579 01:29:23,880 --> 01:29:28,840 Speaker 1: what she shares herself are so life changing. Um, she's 1580 01:29:28,920 --> 01:29:32,120 Speaker 1: changing my life. Everything that she chooses to share with 1581 01:29:32,200 --> 01:29:34,519 Speaker 1: us or show of herself is changing my life in 1582 01:29:34,600 --> 01:29:38,439 Speaker 1: every moment, and it's really making me reevaluate myself and 1583 01:29:38,479 --> 01:29:43,200 Speaker 1: reevaluate my opinions and my thoughts and it is. It's 1584 01:29:43,280 --> 01:29:49,200 Speaker 1: just absolutely beautiful her standing and her authentic self and 1585 01:29:49,240 --> 01:29:52,800 Speaker 1: being exactly who she is on purpose and out loud. 1586 01:29:52,920 --> 01:29:55,000 Speaker 1: And I just highly recommend you guys check her out 1587 01:29:55,000 --> 01:29:57,280 Speaker 1: because she's a ship. So that's it. Thank you for 1588 01:29:57,360 --> 01:29:59,800 Speaker 1: listening to the show. Van, I love you, I love 1589 01:29:59,840 --> 01:30:04,519 Speaker 1: you to sister, give me a all right, all right, 1590 01:30:07,320 --> 01:30:09,400 Speaker 1: big thank you for listening to this episode of the 1591 01:30:09,479 --> 01:30:13,280 Speaker 1: Dropping Gyms podcast. This show is executive produced by Adrian 1592 01:30:13,400 --> 01:30:16,960 Speaker 1: Scott and me Debbie Brown. Our theme music was created 1593 01:30:16,960 --> 01:30:19,120 Speaker 1: by producer Day One, and the poem that you heard 1594 01:30:19,160 --> 01:30:20,920 Speaker 1: at the beginning of the show, well that was created 1595 01:30:21,040 --> 01:30:23,800 Speaker 1: especially for us by award winning poet and Nambieca for 1596 01:30:24,360 --> 01:30:26,840 Speaker 1: If you have a quick moment right now, please hit 1597 01:30:26,960 --> 01:30:29,320 Speaker 1: subscribe on the show and if you like what you heard, 1598 01:30:29,439 --> 01:30:31,559 Speaker 1: take it a step further and give us a five 1599 01:30:31,640 --> 01:30:34,240 Speaker 1: star rating. Until next time you connect with me on 1600 01:30:34,280 --> 01:30:37,360 Speaker 1: I g at Debbie Brown or my website Debbie brown 1601 01:30:37,560 --> 01:30:38,759 Speaker 1: dot com. Be blessed,