1 00:00:02,480 --> 00:00:10,400 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, Podcasts, Radio News. 2 00:00:12,440 --> 00:00:14,560 Speaker 2: Hi everyone, welcome back to the deal. I'm Jason Kelly 3 00:00:14,560 --> 00:00:17,400 Speaker 2: alongside Alex Rodriguez. All right, this is Alex. I think 4 00:00:17,400 --> 00:00:19,320 Speaker 2: it's fair to say for both of us, one of 5 00:00:19,400 --> 00:00:22,000 Speaker 2: our favorite times of the year, March Madness. 6 00:00:22,120 --> 00:00:25,840 Speaker 3: It all just gets so exciting. There's so much at stake. 7 00:00:26,560 --> 00:00:29,160 Speaker 2: I was thinking about this for you from a personal perspective. 8 00:00:29,680 --> 00:00:32,200 Speaker 2: You've got a daughter at Michigan, You've got a daughter 9 00:00:32,360 --> 00:00:33,040 Speaker 2: going to. 10 00:00:33,400 --> 00:00:34,560 Speaker 3: Chapel Hill next year. 11 00:00:34,600 --> 00:00:35,000 Speaker 4: I bet you. 12 00:00:35,080 --> 00:00:36,839 Speaker 3: Are you sitting up a little straighter now? 13 00:00:37,040 --> 00:00:39,320 Speaker 2: Also, you have to sort of pay attention to college 14 00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:43,000 Speaker 2: basketball for your day job is the NBA and WNBA teams. 15 00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:44,320 Speaker 3: But are you excited? 16 00:00:44,720 --> 00:00:46,040 Speaker 4: I'm very excited. Don't forget. 17 00:00:46,159 --> 00:00:47,920 Speaker 5: I've been on the board at the University of Miami 18 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:51,000 Speaker 5: for over twenty years, so I like my chances. I 19 00:00:51,040 --> 00:00:54,840 Speaker 5: have three lattery balls, so decent chances to be happy 20 00:00:54,840 --> 00:00:55,480 Speaker 5: after March. 21 00:00:55,640 --> 00:00:58,960 Speaker 2: The other really fun thing about March Madness, which I 22 00:00:59,040 --> 00:01:01,800 Speaker 2: dragged you into a couple of years ago, and I 23 00:01:01,800 --> 00:01:05,319 Speaker 2: think very happily, is Bloomberg Brackets for a Cause. This 24 00:01:05,680 --> 00:01:08,080 Speaker 2: is a contest that we have done, a charity contest 25 00:01:08,319 --> 00:01:11,080 Speaker 2: this is our eleventh year. I used to do it 26 00:01:11,080 --> 00:01:14,440 Speaker 2: with our now retired chairman Peter Grower, who's one of 27 00:01:14,480 --> 00:01:16,840 Speaker 2: yours and my favorite all time people. 28 00:01:16,959 --> 00:01:18,640 Speaker 3: He's a tar heel. By the way, as you know, 29 00:01:19,160 --> 00:01:20,080 Speaker 3: people like you. 30 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:22,800 Speaker 2: Pledge twenty thousand dollars fill out brackets for the men's 31 00:01:22,840 --> 00:01:23,800 Speaker 2: side and the women's side. 32 00:01:23,840 --> 00:01:24,640 Speaker 4: You pick a charity. 33 00:01:24,959 --> 00:01:27,560 Speaker 3: I believe you're playing for Boys and Girls Club, which 34 00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:29,560 Speaker 3: I think is very near and dear to your heart. 35 00:01:30,240 --> 00:01:34,959 Speaker 2: And anyway, if your brackets are the winners, you get 36 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:37,720 Speaker 2: all of this pooled money. It's more than a million 37 00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:40,720 Speaker 2: dollars that is at stake every year, and it goes 38 00:01:40,720 --> 00:01:41,000 Speaker 2: to some. 39 00:01:41,040 --> 00:01:42,000 Speaker 3: Very deserving charities. 40 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:46,960 Speaker 2: And you're playing alongside some incredible people, Gary Cone, Jenny Johnson, 41 00:01:47,720 --> 00:01:51,880 Speaker 2: Don Cornwell, John Gray. I mean lots and lots of 42 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:56,920 Speaker 2: super interesting people. Dina Powell McCormick. So the competition is fierce. 43 00:01:57,040 --> 00:01:58,400 Speaker 2: But happy to have you back on this. 44 00:01:58,880 --> 00:01:59,720 Speaker 4: I'm so excited. 45 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:02,520 Speaker 5: I love it all, except every time you ring about 46 00:02:02,600 --> 00:02:04,680 Speaker 5: something as you want my money and it cost me 47 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:08,120 Speaker 5: thousands of dollars, but that's for a great cause. 48 00:02:08,200 --> 00:02:10,920 Speaker 2: What's funny about this week's episode is David Levy was 49 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:13,119 Speaker 2: the perfect person to talk to to kick this off, 50 00:02:13,160 --> 00:02:15,639 Speaker 2: because what we will watch over the next couple of 51 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:19,040 Speaker 2: weeks on television is really a product of work he 52 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:23,959 Speaker 2: did decades ago when he was at Turner Sports, really 53 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:27,360 Speaker 2: creating the March Madness media template. I have to think 54 00:02:27,600 --> 00:02:30,520 Speaker 2: that's something you look at as you think about media. 55 00:02:30,639 --> 00:02:33,480 Speaker 3: For basketball because it's kind of the gold standard. Well. 56 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:36,920 Speaker 5: Absolutely, and David Levy's had an incredible career. He's a 57 00:02:36,919 --> 00:02:41,440 Speaker 5: great communicator, he's very resolute about his opinions. But when 58 00:02:41,480 --> 00:02:45,239 Speaker 5: you look at unique properties, unique deal structure. He did 59 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:48,960 Speaker 5: it with a TNTCBS combo which was at first heart 60 00:02:49,040 --> 00:02:52,320 Speaker 5: to follow, but he explains very clearly of how it 61 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:56,120 Speaker 5: did it, the structure, the finances around it. It was 62 00:02:56,160 --> 00:03:00,000 Speaker 5: pretty awesome. And look, there's nothing like March Madness. Everybody 63 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:01,760 Speaker 5: follows a little bit like the Super Bowl, and it's 64 00:03:01,800 --> 00:03:02,440 Speaker 5: so cool. 65 00:03:02,760 --> 00:03:04,480 Speaker 2: Totally, and you know it's over the course of a 66 00:03:04,520 --> 00:03:07,760 Speaker 2: couple of weeks, I mean, the productivity drops as everybody's 67 00:03:07,840 --> 00:03:11,520 Speaker 2: locking in their brackets and watching, especially as the game's kickoff. 68 00:03:11,639 --> 00:03:13,760 Speaker 3: No hope for my Georgetown hoy is again. 69 00:03:14,040 --> 00:03:16,360 Speaker 2: I mean I was barely a tween when they were 70 00:03:17,040 --> 00:03:19,000 Speaker 2: when they were actually the last time they were actually good. 71 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:21,679 Speaker 2: So David Levy, he's now gone on to be the 72 00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:25,040 Speaker 2: founder and CEO of Horizon Sports and Experiences, and you know, 73 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:27,200 Speaker 2: we take a pretty hard turn over the course of 74 00:03:27,240 --> 00:03:31,080 Speaker 2: this conversation away from basketball and into pick a ball naturally. 75 00:03:32,280 --> 00:03:35,920 Speaker 2: I mean, it's fascinating to hear him talk about, you know, 76 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:37,440 Speaker 2: the media potential. 77 00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:40,280 Speaker 3: There these star players that are coming on board. We 78 00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:41,240 Speaker 3: had a lot of fun with them. 79 00:03:41,640 --> 00:03:45,120 Speaker 5: Yeah, And look, I think when you describe David Levy's 80 00:03:45,160 --> 00:03:48,280 Speaker 5: career is great relationship, Adam Silver being one of them. 81 00:03:48,720 --> 00:03:50,640 Speaker 4: And he does not take no for an answer. 82 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:53,320 Speaker 5: He figures out a way, how do we think outside 83 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:54,120 Speaker 5: the box and how do. 84 00:03:54,080 --> 00:03:56,560 Speaker 4: We land there? Yes, and he did that exactly. 85 00:03:56,320 --> 00:04:00,160 Speaker 5: With TNC and CBS, and I'm really interested to see 86 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:01,320 Speaker 5: how's the next venture works out. 87 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:05,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. He's got a great shack story that he shares. 88 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:07,280 Speaker 2: So that's a deep tease, as we say in the business. 89 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:09,520 Speaker 2: All right, coming up, David Levy, the founder and CEO 90 00:04:09,640 --> 00:04:25,080 Speaker 2: of Horizon Sports and Experiences. Welcome back to the DLM 91 00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:27,560 Speaker 2: Jason Kelly alongside Alex Rodriguez. 92 00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:30,520 Speaker 3: We are so excited to have David Levy with us. 93 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:35,719 Speaker 2: He is the CEO co founder of Horizon Sports and Experiences, 94 00:04:36,279 --> 00:04:41,640 Speaker 2: has an incredible history and legacy in the media world. David, 95 00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:44,760 Speaker 2: Alex and I talk about this stuff all the time. 96 00:04:45,279 --> 00:04:48,240 Speaker 2: We're heading into March Madness. It's the perfect time to 97 00:04:48,360 --> 00:04:50,279 Speaker 2: talk with you because you were the architect of so 98 00:04:50,279 --> 00:04:53,039 Speaker 2: many big deals. First of all, just great to see you. 99 00:04:53,320 --> 00:04:54,719 Speaker 2: Thank you so much for doing this. 100 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:57,560 Speaker 1: Thank you both Alex and Jason happy to be here. 101 00:04:57,760 --> 00:05:01,000 Speaker 2: All right, let's talk about March Madness because Alex and 102 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:03,680 Speaker 2: I are both huge college basketball fans. You and I 103 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:06,640 Speaker 2: have some beef Georgetown versus Syracuse, but you know you're 104 00:05:06,680 --> 00:05:07,840 Speaker 2: clearly winning that battle. 105 00:05:08,480 --> 00:05:10,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know anymore these days, but yes, we 106 00:05:10,920 --> 00:05:14,799 Speaker 1: do have a flight advantage over the years, Yes, exactly. 107 00:05:15,080 --> 00:05:18,040 Speaker 2: But talk to us about March Madness and the media 108 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:20,160 Speaker 2: side of it, because you were the architect of a 109 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:23,800 Speaker 2: deal that probably stands as one of the most seminal 110 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:29,560 Speaker 2: in the sports media landscape, where you get two competitors 111 00:05:29,640 --> 00:05:33,760 Speaker 2: together in a way that really elevates what we see 112 00:05:33,800 --> 00:05:34,279 Speaker 2: on TV. 113 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:36,080 Speaker 3: So give us the backstory there. 114 00:05:36,440 --> 00:05:39,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, this was a landmark deal that I don't think 115 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:42,240 Speaker 1: we'll ever be replicated again. You know, it was taking 116 00:05:42,279 --> 00:05:47,400 Speaker 1: two different media companies with very very different cultures and 117 00:05:47,520 --> 00:05:52,680 Speaker 1: combining them to form one company or one opportunity to 118 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:55,200 Speaker 1: showcase this incredible event. 119 00:05:55,440 --> 00:05:57,839 Speaker 3: So you're talking about Turner where you were and CBS 120 00:05:57,880 --> 00:05:58,839 Speaker 3: just to set the table. 121 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:02,800 Speaker 1: Yes, and it was a bunch of different circumstances that 122 00:06:03,040 --> 00:06:07,039 Speaker 1: led to this incredible deal. And Sean McManus, who was 123 00:06:07,400 --> 00:06:10,400 Speaker 1: the architect on the other side of this equation. You 124 00:06:10,440 --> 00:06:13,920 Speaker 1: know what was happening at CBS at the time. They 125 00:06:13,960 --> 00:06:17,359 Speaker 1: were at the eighth year of an eleven year deal 126 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:21,080 Speaker 1: that at that moment in time they were not making 127 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:23,200 Speaker 1: money from and in fact, they were trying to figure 128 00:06:23,200 --> 00:06:27,960 Speaker 1: out a way to possibly drop March mad Is from CBS. 129 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:29,200 Speaker 3: And that was more. 130 00:06:29,120 --> 00:06:32,640 Speaker 1: Corporate than I would say Sean and the CBS Sports team, 131 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:36,320 Speaker 1: who love and breathe that product. He was getting down 132 00:06:36,360 --> 00:06:40,520 Speaker 1: to maybe money making decisions. At the same time March Madness, 133 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:45,240 Speaker 1: the NCAA was interested to thinking about maybe expanding to 134 00:06:45,360 --> 00:06:49,000 Speaker 1: ninety six teams, and they were out in the marketplace 135 00:06:49,080 --> 00:06:53,200 Speaker 1: sort of seeing were there any other opportunities to get 136 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:56,800 Speaker 1: the other side or the incremental games on top of 137 00:06:56,839 --> 00:07:00,320 Speaker 1: what CBS was doing and that's when I got a 138 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:03,400 Speaker 1: call from Greg Shaheen, who at the time was representing 139 00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:08,160 Speaker 1: the NCAA, seeing if Turner had any interest in the property. 140 00:07:08,920 --> 00:07:13,200 Speaker 1: And since CBS was sort of in this unusual stage 141 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:15,280 Speaker 1: of should we keep it, should we not keep it, 142 00:07:15,840 --> 00:07:18,600 Speaker 1: Sean and I sat together and said, listen, is there 143 00:07:18,600 --> 00:07:21,160 Speaker 1: an opportunity for us to do this together? And my 144 00:07:21,240 --> 00:07:24,920 Speaker 1: first comment to Sean was, listen, as long as it's 145 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:28,240 Speaker 1: not a cable deal for Turner and a broadcast in 146 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:31,080 Speaker 1: you got to go back into the early nineties and 147 00:07:31,080 --> 00:07:33,680 Speaker 1: two thousands. This was actually two thousand with this deal 148 00:07:33,760 --> 00:07:36,000 Speaker 1: was struck in two thousand and ten. The first year 149 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:38,840 Speaker 1: we aired it was twenty eleven. Back then, there were 150 00:07:38,880 --> 00:07:41,880 Speaker 1: a lot of deals that were called cable deals versus 151 00:07:41,880 --> 00:07:45,080 Speaker 1: broadcast deals, where Cable with the early rounds and broadcasts 152 00:07:45,080 --> 00:07:47,920 Speaker 1: we get the finals and semi finals, or Cable would 153 00:07:47,960 --> 00:07:51,760 Speaker 1: get Thursday Friday golf, and the broadcast would get Saturday 154 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:54,000 Speaker 1: and Sunday. And I said, we're not going in in 155 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:56,120 Speaker 1: that way, Sean. If we're going in, we're going fifty 156 00:07:56,120 --> 00:07:59,800 Speaker 1: to fifty, meaning that Turner will air the semifinals and 157 00:07:59,840 --> 00:08:03,760 Speaker 1: finals every other year or something of that nature, and 158 00:08:04,080 --> 00:08:06,520 Speaker 1: he totally got it. He said, I get it because 159 00:08:06,560 --> 00:08:08,400 Speaker 1: he wanted to keep it with CBS and he knew 160 00:08:08,440 --> 00:08:11,200 Speaker 1: without a partner he wouldn't have gotten it done. And 161 00:08:11,280 --> 00:08:13,920 Speaker 1: I knew I needed CBS because I don't think I 162 00:08:13,960 --> 00:08:16,560 Speaker 1: would have gotten the NCAA to put all the games 163 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:19,560 Speaker 1: on turn or and not have any broadcast coverage. So 164 00:08:19,600 --> 00:08:22,520 Speaker 1: there was a win win on both sides in that lap. 165 00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:26,040 Speaker 1: And then we had to sit down and talk about 166 00:08:26,040 --> 00:08:30,200 Speaker 1: sharing talent. Was Charles Barkley and Ernie and Kenny going 167 00:08:30,280 --> 00:08:31,440 Speaker 1: to be able to be on the air. And then 168 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:34,360 Speaker 1: we had to think about the broadcast trucks, right, you know, 169 00:08:35,040 --> 00:08:38,400 Speaker 1: and union versus non union trucks. It was a very 170 00:08:38,880 --> 00:08:42,839 Speaker 1: complex deal that in the end, the most important thing 171 00:08:42,880 --> 00:08:45,320 Speaker 1: that Sean and I said from the beginning was we 172 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:48,960 Speaker 1: need to think of the consumer first. Because prior to 173 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:53,760 Speaker 1: that twenty ten, okay, CBS did regionals. That means if 174 00:08:53,800 --> 00:08:56,079 Speaker 1: viewer on the West coast, you saw the games that 175 00:08:56,240 --> 00:08:58,920 Speaker 1: CBS thought you wanted to see, and if you were 176 00:08:58,920 --> 00:09:01,040 Speaker 1: on the East coast, they did these games at the 177 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:03,560 Speaker 1: East coast they thought they wanted to see. And the 178 00:09:03,679 --> 00:09:06,720 Speaker 1: idea that we pitched to the NCAA, which obviously worked, 179 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:11,040 Speaker 1: which was let's air all the games on all different channels, 180 00:09:11,640 --> 00:09:15,200 Speaker 1: which is unheard of. And at some point Jim Nantz 181 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:18,320 Speaker 1: had to say, we have a blowout game here on CBS. 182 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:21,920 Speaker 1: Go to True TV and watch this. You know it's 183 00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:26,280 Speaker 1: going into overtime. You know, Syracuse versus Georgetown, so to speak. Right, 184 00:09:26,640 --> 00:09:29,040 Speaker 1: But we were telling people to leave one channel, which 185 00:09:29,080 --> 00:09:31,680 Speaker 1: is unheard of, and the reason was because all the 186 00:09:31,800 --> 00:09:36,560 Speaker 1: money was pooled under one umbrella and split even That's incredible. 187 00:09:36,559 --> 00:09:38,760 Speaker 5: I mean, David, that's I was telling Jason off air 188 00:09:38,920 --> 00:09:41,240 Speaker 5: that I remember how confusing that was because you had 189 00:09:41,280 --> 00:09:43,480 Speaker 5: Grant Hill, you had all these broadcasters. 190 00:09:43,559 --> 00:09:45,520 Speaker 4: I've never seen that before. It's truly groundbreaking. 191 00:09:45,600 --> 00:09:48,520 Speaker 5: But you know, Adam Silver once said that, you know, 192 00:09:49,040 --> 00:09:53,200 Speaker 5: David Levy is a media executive basically wizard and a visionary. 193 00:09:53,280 --> 00:09:54,600 Speaker 4: Right, I'm paraphrasing a little bit. 194 00:09:55,240 --> 00:09:59,839 Speaker 5: And your synonymous with big deals and big, big super 195 00:10:00,320 --> 00:10:03,320 Speaker 5: with the shack, Right, was this something that you had 196 00:10:03,360 --> 00:10:06,440 Speaker 5: from day one, the ability to put deals together and 197 00:10:06,480 --> 00:10:08,360 Speaker 5: attract the best talent in the world to come work 198 00:10:08,400 --> 00:10:08,560 Speaker 5: for you. 199 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:12,640 Speaker 1: I was dealing with negotiations at a very young age, 200 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:15,200 Speaker 1: whether it was working in fleet markets. You know, I 201 00:10:15,280 --> 00:10:18,240 Speaker 1: played club hockey at Syracuse and how to go raise 202 00:10:18,360 --> 00:10:21,120 Speaker 1: money for the club hockey team and always trying to 203 00:10:21,160 --> 00:10:25,520 Speaker 1: deal with organizations and people. But no, I didn't realize 204 00:10:25,559 --> 00:10:26,760 Speaker 1: where I was going to end up. 205 00:10:27,120 --> 00:10:27,320 Speaker 4: You know. 206 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:30,800 Speaker 1: I started out an advertising agency called s SC and 207 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:33,240 Speaker 1: B and Work, and figured out very quickly that being 208 00:10:33,280 --> 00:10:35,400 Speaker 1: on the ad side wasn't going to make as much 209 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:37,800 Speaker 1: money if I was on the sales side. And so 210 00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:40,199 Speaker 1: you know, I got on the sales side very quickly 211 00:10:40,320 --> 00:10:43,480 Speaker 1: and was hired by Ted Turner in nineteen eighty seven 212 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:47,880 Speaker 1: and stayed with broadcasting for thirty three years. I left 213 00:10:47,880 --> 00:10:51,920 Speaker 1: in twenty nineteen with many different jobs, obviously one of 214 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:55,840 Speaker 1: them being the president of Turner Sports. So you know, 215 00:10:56,360 --> 00:11:00,240 Speaker 1: being in that uprising cable days when you know Ted 216 00:11:00,320 --> 00:11:03,120 Speaker 1: used to say, you know the cable is cool, and 217 00:11:03,160 --> 00:11:05,720 Speaker 1: then you know Ted having the vision to be honest 218 00:11:05,760 --> 00:11:09,720 Speaker 1: with you, to buy the first NFL Sunday Night package, 219 00:11:10,280 --> 00:11:14,120 Speaker 1: which launched TNT. Working with David Stern in the NBA, 220 00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:17,160 Speaker 1: we had the NBA on TBS with the Hawks, and 221 00:11:17,200 --> 00:11:20,440 Speaker 1: we moved it into a national package when we got 222 00:11:20,440 --> 00:11:25,559 Speaker 1: the NBA overall and putting it on TNT. So it 223 00:11:25,600 --> 00:11:28,800 Speaker 1: was just being a part of an organization and learning 224 00:11:28,800 --> 00:11:31,720 Speaker 1: from the best I would say, golden gut man in 225 00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:33,160 Speaker 1: the business, which is Ted Turner. 226 00:11:33,520 --> 00:11:35,480 Speaker 4: Well, that's exactly where I was going. 227 00:11:35,559 --> 00:11:37,520 Speaker 5: I mean, I've been a huge fan of Ted Turner 228 00:11:37,559 --> 00:11:39,680 Speaker 5: for so long, talking about a visionary all the great 229 00:11:39,679 --> 00:11:41,920 Speaker 5: things that people are doing today, he was doing forty 230 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:45,560 Speaker 5: years ago with the superstation, with the Hawks and the Braves. 231 00:11:45,720 --> 00:11:48,320 Speaker 5: What are a few things that you learned working for Ted. 232 00:11:48,720 --> 00:11:51,040 Speaker 1: It's a great question there, Alex. What I learned from 233 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:54,079 Speaker 1: Ted is this, you need to have a golden gut. 234 00:11:54,520 --> 00:11:57,160 Speaker 1: You need to actually go with your gut. Yes, everybody 235 00:11:57,240 --> 00:11:59,160 Speaker 1: can give you the data, and you should take the data, 236 00:11:59,400 --> 00:12:02,680 Speaker 1: and you should get the understanding, and you should understand 237 00:12:02,720 --> 00:12:04,880 Speaker 1: all the good, the bad, and the ugly. But at 238 00:12:04,880 --> 00:12:06,480 Speaker 1: the end of the day, your gut's going to tell 239 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:08,320 Speaker 1: you whether you should do it or not. And I 240 00:12:08,360 --> 00:12:12,160 Speaker 1: will tell you a lot of booz Allen's and consulting 241 00:12:12,240 --> 00:12:15,960 Speaker 1: firms told Ted not to launch CNN, that no one 242 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:20,800 Speaker 1: would watch twenty four hours of news. He did it anyhow, Yeah, 243 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:25,119 Speaker 1: and so his you know, he thought things very differently. 244 00:12:25,760 --> 00:12:28,280 Speaker 1: So you know, I live by that and I learned 245 00:12:28,280 --> 00:12:31,120 Speaker 1: from that, and I knew the best way, the only 246 00:12:31,160 --> 00:12:34,560 Speaker 1: way we could do this deal was with CBS, right, 247 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:38,360 Speaker 1: and when when we were negotiating with the NBA for 248 00:12:38,440 --> 00:12:41,319 Speaker 1: all those years and dealing with David Stern and then 249 00:12:41,320 --> 00:12:43,760 Speaker 1: Adam Silver, you know, we had to come up with 250 00:12:43,800 --> 00:12:46,960 Speaker 1: creative ways we were. Turner was always the underdog, right, 251 00:12:47,400 --> 00:12:51,480 Speaker 1: It's easy for ABC, NBC, CBS, Fox and ESPN Turner 252 00:12:51,920 --> 00:12:54,840 Speaker 1: we had a we had a scrap harder and think 253 00:12:54,880 --> 00:12:58,440 Speaker 1: outside the box, you know, and and figure out ways 254 00:12:58,480 --> 00:13:00,480 Speaker 1: to work with him. The NBA. One of the ways 255 00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:03,840 Speaker 1: we did that was when we formed NBA Digital, you know, 256 00:13:03,920 --> 00:13:06,960 Speaker 1: a profit sharing business with the NBA, and we helped 257 00:13:07,280 --> 00:13:10,920 Speaker 1: develop League Pass and help build out all of their 258 00:13:11,240 --> 00:13:14,280 Speaker 1: NBA Digital products at the time. And that was a 259 00:13:14,280 --> 00:13:17,240 Speaker 1: way for us to be different than our competitors that 260 00:13:17,280 --> 00:13:18,240 Speaker 1: wouldn't be doing. 261 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:19,959 Speaker 3: That, Yeah, which was way ahead. 262 00:13:19,960 --> 00:13:23,240 Speaker 2: I mean, Alex, you obviously know this intimately now being 263 00:13:23,240 --> 00:13:25,880 Speaker 2: in the NBA and w NBA business, but that obviously 264 00:13:25,920 --> 00:13:28,240 Speaker 2: that the League Pass was a game changer and so 265 00:13:28,360 --> 00:13:29,600 Speaker 2: far ahead of its time. 266 00:13:30,120 --> 00:13:30,320 Speaker 4: You know. 267 00:13:30,480 --> 00:13:32,559 Speaker 3: One of the things on the on the talent. 268 00:13:32,360 --> 00:13:35,079 Speaker 2: Side, David, that that we have to talk about because 269 00:13:36,200 --> 00:13:41,040 Speaker 2: you know, it has become so celebrated and oft imitated 270 00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:44,640 Speaker 2: and never quite duplicated, which is the NBA on TNT. 271 00:13:45,320 --> 00:13:46,200 Speaker 4: And you know. 272 00:13:46,679 --> 00:13:50,760 Speaker 2: Those four guys, that combination. You know, everyone who's in 273 00:13:50,840 --> 00:13:53,959 Speaker 2: our business, the business that all three of us are in, 274 00:13:54,960 --> 00:13:58,920 Speaker 2: is constantly searching for that sort of holy grail. One 275 00:13:58,960 --> 00:14:01,360 Speaker 2: of the most interesting story I've heard about you is 276 00:14:01,360 --> 00:14:05,720 Speaker 2: is putting that massive piece that is known as Shaquille 277 00:14:05,760 --> 00:14:07,440 Speaker 2: O'Neal into that mix. 278 00:14:07,520 --> 00:14:08,520 Speaker 3: Tell us that story. 279 00:14:08,960 --> 00:14:12,160 Speaker 1: Well, first of all, you know, I can't take credit 280 00:14:12,200 --> 00:14:15,840 Speaker 1: for that show. That show happens on its own. It's 281 00:14:15,960 --> 00:14:19,480 Speaker 1: magic in a bottle, and each piece is important piece 282 00:14:19,520 --> 00:14:23,200 Speaker 1: of a puzzle, including the executive producer, Tim Kylee, which 283 00:14:23,240 --> 00:14:26,600 Speaker 1: I think without Tim Kyleie, that show doesn't doesn't perform 284 00:14:26,680 --> 00:14:30,480 Speaker 1: the way it performs today. But yes, we had Kenny 285 00:14:31,640 --> 00:14:33,240 Speaker 1: e j and Charles. 286 00:14:33,280 --> 00:14:36,880 Speaker 2: So Kitty Ernie Johnson and Charles Barkley just for you know, 287 00:14:36,960 --> 00:14:40,440 Speaker 2: those who aren't you know, so well acquainted. 288 00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:43,600 Speaker 1: And they were Emmy Award winning and we would rotate 289 00:14:43,720 --> 00:14:46,560 Speaker 1: that fourth seat, you know, whether it be Kobe Bryant 290 00:14:46,600 --> 00:14:49,400 Speaker 1: sitting in it or whoever at the moment was most 291 00:14:49,440 --> 00:14:54,960 Speaker 1: important at the time, and then Shaq retired and everybody 292 00:14:55,120 --> 00:14:58,080 Speaker 1: was like going after and figure out who can get Shack, 293 00:14:58,840 --> 00:15:02,680 Speaker 1: And of course he has at the time and still today. 294 00:15:02,760 --> 00:15:05,200 Speaker 1: I mean, you can see that ESPN actually took the 295 00:15:05,240 --> 00:15:07,880 Speaker 1: inside the NBA show, so they knew they had a 296 00:15:07,960 --> 00:15:12,320 Speaker 1: less superior product than what was airing on TNT. And 297 00:15:12,360 --> 00:15:13,920 Speaker 1: I knew they were going to go after Shack in 298 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:15,800 Speaker 1: a big way, and I knew they were going to 299 00:15:15,840 --> 00:15:18,800 Speaker 1: pay him more. But my team really wanted him, and 300 00:15:18,840 --> 00:15:21,880 Speaker 1: so we flew out to LA. But the uniqueness of 301 00:15:21,960 --> 00:15:25,280 Speaker 1: that meeting was I didn't just bring the Turner Sports people. 302 00:15:25,320 --> 00:15:28,800 Speaker 1: I brought Warner Brothers. I brought my True TV people 303 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:31,200 Speaker 1: because I knew he was in detectives and wanted to 304 00:15:31,240 --> 00:15:36,200 Speaker 1: douce maybe some unscripted type programming with them. I brought 305 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:39,840 Speaker 1: animation with me in case there was cartoons. We were 306 00:15:39,840 --> 00:15:42,520 Speaker 1: talking about our whole company as a whole, and we 307 00:15:42,520 --> 00:15:44,360 Speaker 1: were going to open up the komoment for that. But 308 00:15:44,760 --> 00:15:47,160 Speaker 1: the key line that I think you're talking about, Jason, 309 00:15:47,800 --> 00:15:49,640 Speaker 1: is what was I going to open up with? And 310 00:15:49,680 --> 00:15:51,560 Speaker 1: I couldn't figure it out until I was going up 311 00:15:51,560 --> 00:15:54,720 Speaker 1: in the elevator. I walked in. We all shook hands 312 00:15:54,760 --> 00:15:58,520 Speaker 1: and I sat down and I said, Shaq, there are 313 00:15:58,520 --> 00:16:01,600 Speaker 1: people that want you, and there are people that need you. 314 00:16:02,520 --> 00:16:05,480 Speaker 1: We don't need you. I already have an Emmy Award 315 00:16:05,560 --> 00:16:07,960 Speaker 1: winning show. This is being going to be a big 316 00:16:08,080 --> 00:16:10,280 Speaker 1: risk for me. But I'm here with all these people 317 00:16:10,320 --> 00:16:12,440 Speaker 1: because I want you, and I think you're going to 318 00:16:12,480 --> 00:16:15,520 Speaker 1: be very successful. And he goes, never in my life 319 00:16:15,560 --> 00:16:17,680 Speaker 1: I've heard anybody say they don't need me. 320 00:16:18,920 --> 00:16:19,000 Speaker 2: No. 321 00:16:19,200 --> 00:16:23,200 Speaker 1: It was a very good opening line, and it's been 322 00:16:23,240 --> 00:16:26,760 Speaker 1: memorialized many times, and Shack always reminds me when I 323 00:16:26,800 --> 00:16:29,480 Speaker 1: see him. He says, I don't need you. 324 00:16:29,600 --> 00:16:30,320 Speaker 3: I want you. 325 00:16:31,840 --> 00:16:34,800 Speaker 5: So David, that's the hot corner over there, all the 326 00:16:34,800 --> 00:16:37,400 Speaker 5: way on the left. If you're watching the show, let's 327 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:39,920 Speaker 5: go to your first basement, your anchor over here with Charles. 328 00:16:40,240 --> 00:16:42,480 Speaker 5: Charles has told me, look, I try to retire a 329 00:16:42,520 --> 00:16:43,040 Speaker 5: few times, but. 330 00:16:43,080 --> 00:16:45,640 Speaker 4: David Levy wouldn't let me. He will come out to 331 00:16:45,680 --> 00:16:49,680 Speaker 4: Arizona and bring me back. Why is Charles so magical 332 00:16:49,840 --> 00:16:50,360 Speaker 4: on TV? 333 00:16:51,160 --> 00:16:55,440 Speaker 1: It's simple, it really is. It's authenticity, you know. I mean, 334 00:16:55,480 --> 00:16:59,800 Speaker 1: I would have owners calling me at night weekends and 335 00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:02,400 Speaker 1: the same you know, I don't like what Charle's saying, 336 00:17:02,440 --> 00:17:04,760 Speaker 1: and I don't and I always said back, I said, 337 00:17:04,800 --> 00:17:09,159 Speaker 1: is there anything he miss said from from a standpoint 338 00:17:09,160 --> 00:17:12,919 Speaker 1: of wrong? Is anything factually wrong? And if it was 339 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:15,399 Speaker 1: factually wrong, I could go back to Chuck and say 340 00:17:15,520 --> 00:17:19,520 Speaker 1: you are factually wrong. But I paid Chuck for opinions, 341 00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:23,639 Speaker 1: and that's what he was giving, you know, And I 342 00:17:23,720 --> 00:17:27,200 Speaker 1: mean this, you need a great ring leader, right. Bernie's 343 00:17:27,240 --> 00:17:29,480 Speaker 1: one of the best ring leaders I know in the business. 344 00:17:30,040 --> 00:17:34,280 Speaker 1: He would let conversations go and and miss segments in 345 00:17:34,280 --> 00:17:36,600 Speaker 1: his show if he needed to, and that was allowed, 346 00:17:37,720 --> 00:17:41,119 Speaker 1: you know, under my leadership, and and Tim Kyley, because 347 00:17:41,400 --> 00:17:44,240 Speaker 1: you know, good great conversation should never be cut off. 348 00:17:44,680 --> 00:17:47,400 Speaker 1: Most studio people go, you know, they're in this great 349 00:17:47,440 --> 00:17:49,600 Speaker 1: conversation and the host will say, listen, we'll get back 350 00:17:49,600 --> 00:17:52,720 Speaker 1: to that later. But the mean tomorrow night, right, if 351 00:17:52,720 --> 00:17:57,400 Speaker 1: it was a great conversation, we might throw out commercials. Okay, yeah. 352 00:17:57,480 --> 00:18:00,439 Speaker 1: And the point was you can't make great tele vision, 353 00:18:00,840 --> 00:18:03,760 Speaker 1: not succeed right and not be there for the consumer. 354 00:18:04,359 --> 00:18:08,240 Speaker 1: So Ernie was the ringmaster, but he also in case 355 00:18:08,320 --> 00:18:10,720 Speaker 1: Charles ever got in trouble, which you know, we all 356 00:18:10,760 --> 00:18:13,000 Speaker 1: know he's sent a few lines, but we're all kind 357 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:17,680 Speaker 1: of raise our eyebrows to Ernie may go back and say, Chuck, now, 358 00:18:17,800 --> 00:18:20,399 Speaker 1: just make sure I'm clear what you really meant was this? 359 00:18:22,840 --> 00:18:26,159 Speaker 1: So he may he may catch either Chuck or Kenny 360 00:18:26,359 --> 00:18:28,879 Speaker 1: or Shaq in something and make sure that the it 361 00:18:28,960 --> 00:18:31,880 Speaker 1: was handled in the live television rather than the way 362 00:18:31,920 --> 00:18:35,359 Speaker 1: social media attacks. Uh, you know some of the commentators today. 363 00:18:35,920 --> 00:18:50,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, so I have to say, you know, as we're 364 00:18:50,520 --> 00:18:55,119 Speaker 2: talking about talent, David and and you know you are. 365 00:18:55,320 --> 00:18:57,920 Speaker 3: You're a starmaker in a lot of ways. And one 366 00:18:57,920 --> 00:18:58,439 Speaker 3: of the most. 367 00:18:58,320 --> 00:19:00,680 Speaker 2: Fascinating things I've watched you do are the past few 368 00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:06,439 Speaker 2: years is get deep into the business of pickleball. It 369 00:19:06,520 --> 00:19:09,840 Speaker 2: is not something that I really saw coming. I think, 370 00:19:10,280 --> 00:19:13,120 Speaker 2: you know, Alex being I'm currently down here in South 371 00:19:13,160 --> 00:19:16,560 Speaker 2: Florida as well. You know, you can't go twenty feet 372 00:19:16,600 --> 00:19:19,879 Speaker 2: without hearing or seeing a pickleball court. And yet it 373 00:19:19,920 --> 00:19:24,680 Speaker 2: feels like it's at this catalytic moment with the participant game, 374 00:19:24,800 --> 00:19:28,560 Speaker 2: the professional game. And I've kept an eye on it 375 00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:31,600 Speaker 2: only because of the star power that you've been able 376 00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:34,360 Speaker 2: to bring in former guests from this show. Maria Sharapov 377 00:19:34,440 --> 00:19:37,000 Speaker 2: I believe was involved a couple of years ago. You've 378 00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:40,520 Speaker 2: got Andrea Agassi coming back. Tell us what you think 379 00:19:40,600 --> 00:19:43,240 Speaker 2: happens next with the game of pickleball and why it's 380 00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:45,600 Speaker 2: essentially investible at this point. 381 00:19:45,920 --> 00:19:48,160 Speaker 1: Well, let me start off by saying, you know, three 382 00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:51,440 Speaker 1: years ago I started an agency with my partner Chris 383 00:19:51,480 --> 00:19:55,600 Speaker 1: will and our other third partner, Bill Koenigsberg, a company 384 00:19:55,640 --> 00:19:58,800 Speaker 1: called Torito Sports and Experiences, and we wanted to build 385 00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:02,000 Speaker 1: out a different type of sports marketing agency, one that 386 00:20:02,040 --> 00:20:06,399 Speaker 1: would also invest in IP, create IP and be a 387 00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:09,240 Speaker 1: little bit unique in that in that space. And we 388 00:20:09,400 --> 00:20:11,400 Speaker 1: wanted to focus on a few areas that we thought 389 00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:16,399 Speaker 1: were white space three years ago, women's sports, which obviously 390 00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:21,080 Speaker 1: now everybody is understanding the ROI on what's happening on 391 00:20:21,119 --> 00:20:25,000 Speaker 1: women's sports. We looked at Formula one and ways to 392 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:29,600 Speaker 1: get our clients into Formula one. We looked at racket sports, 393 00:20:29,640 --> 00:20:32,840 Speaker 1: soccer and golf, so let's go into racket sports. Overall, 394 00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:35,000 Speaker 1: we felt that tennis was going to be back on 395 00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:38,160 Speaker 1: the rise, which I think you can obviously see from 396 00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:40,400 Speaker 1: what's happening with the ratings again, and then we saw 397 00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:43,480 Speaker 1: the rise of pick a ball and the participation. But 398 00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:46,480 Speaker 1: going back to my Turner days, when I launched the 399 00:20:46,520 --> 00:20:49,680 Speaker 1: match back in two thousand, I think it was eighteen 400 00:20:50,359 --> 00:20:55,400 Speaker 1: Tiger versus Phil nine million dollars winner take all pay 401 00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:59,120 Speaker 1: per view golf event. Talk about being outside the box. 402 00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:04,479 Speaker 1: That was about star power. So thinking like that and 403 00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:06,760 Speaker 1: thinking about the pick a ball space, I wasn't sure 404 00:21:06,760 --> 00:21:09,959 Speaker 1: whether pickle ball was going to be a televised sport, 405 00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:11,920 Speaker 1: but I knew that I had put the best brand 406 00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:15,800 Speaker 1: names in racket sports. And the first one was Agacy 407 00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:22,480 Speaker 1: and Roddick playing McEnroe and Chang Okay, all Slam winners 408 00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:26,400 Speaker 1: playing for a million dollar purse live on ESPN at 409 00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:29,639 Speaker 1: the Hard Rock Casino. I knew I'd have something because 410 00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:32,560 Speaker 1: the participation was up and I had the brand names 411 00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:34,960 Speaker 1: and it was authentic. People want to know that there's 412 00:21:35,119 --> 00:21:37,679 Speaker 1: money on the line or something on the line. And 413 00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:41,520 Speaker 1: so what's coming up in April is our fourth Slam, 414 00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:44,760 Speaker 1: believe it or not, And this time we're taking the 415 00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:46,560 Speaker 1: number one pick a ball player in the world. And 416 00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:48,360 Speaker 1: if you're living under a rock, you don't know her, 417 00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:51,320 Speaker 1: but her name is Annelie Waters. She just signed with Nike. 418 00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:53,760 Speaker 1: Okay so Nike did a deal with her. She signed 419 00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:57,520 Speaker 1: with Franklin Rackets and she's won over one hundred events. 420 00:21:57,880 --> 00:22:02,440 Speaker 1: She's nineteen years old, rock star and she's playing with 421 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:08,120 Speaker 1: Jeannie Bischard and they're playing against Agacy and James play 422 00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:13,320 Speaker 1: and it's winner take all men versus women mano amano 423 00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:17,560 Speaker 1: and there's no change in rules, there's no nothing, And 424 00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:19,960 Speaker 1: it's a million dollar pers And this will be a 425 00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:21,879 Speaker 1: really interesting event. It's going to be on primetime on 426 00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:24,520 Speaker 1: ESPN on April fifteenth. I don't know whether pick a 427 00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:27,639 Speaker 1: ball in general is going to be a televised sport, 428 00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:30,720 Speaker 1: but things like destination programming like this will be. 429 00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:34,800 Speaker 2: All right, Alex, last question to you. You're batting cleanup here. 430 00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:35,760 Speaker 4: What do you me? 431 00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:39,320 Speaker 5: All right, David, what is the future of college sports? 432 00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:40,240 Speaker 5: How does it look like for you? 433 00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:44,320 Speaker 1: I mean, college athletics is going to be it's almost 434 00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:48,160 Speaker 1: like separating football and basketball out from the rest. Yeah, 435 00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:52,359 Speaker 1: you know, the nil marketplace today is really changing college 436 00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:56,679 Speaker 1: athletics to the point where there are athletes today that 437 00:22:56,880 --> 00:23:01,359 Speaker 1: may consider not going pro and actually stay in school. 438 00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:03,680 Speaker 1: And I saw that, and let's use your women side 439 00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:05,919 Speaker 1: of the equation. The name of Luther right now. But 440 00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:09,440 Speaker 1: the number two pick in the WNBA draft last year 441 00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:12,200 Speaker 1: was going to be a woman from Notre Dame. 442 00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:14,919 Speaker 3: Olivia Miles is the player you're talking about. 443 00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:19,080 Speaker 1: Thank you very much. And she decided not to take 444 00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:22,520 Speaker 1: the number two slot in the WNBA number two pick, 445 00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:26,240 Speaker 1: she decided to stay in school for a fifth year 446 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:29,840 Speaker 1: and then go into the transfer port. So she didn't 447 00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:32,240 Speaker 1: even stay at Notre Dame. She left and went to 448 00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:36,800 Speaker 1: another school. Listen for the NBA not in the first round. 449 00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:39,400 Speaker 1: If you're in the second round, you may make more 450 00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:43,160 Speaker 1: money staying and have a better chance of more getting better, 451 00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:47,520 Speaker 1: possibly more recognized, staying in college and not take second 452 00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:50,960 Speaker 1: round money. Now, I don't know if that's bad or good, 453 00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:53,919 Speaker 1: to be honest with you. You know, maybe the NBA doesn't 454 00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:56,879 Speaker 1: want these second round people coming out right, and this 455 00:23:57,040 --> 00:24:00,480 Speaker 1: is a way that they can mature more and become 456 00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:02,960 Speaker 1: better players. I mean, you're seeing it right now. Even 457 00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:05,840 Speaker 1: at the college level. For the high school you have 458 00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:08,680 Speaker 1: coaches like Rick Bettino publicly out saying if you're a 459 00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:13,040 Speaker 1: high school kid, don't call me, I'm not interested. Like 460 00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:15,919 Speaker 1: they can look in Division two, Division three schools and 461 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:19,040 Speaker 1: find a better maybe a better point guard that's already 462 00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:19,439 Speaker 1: do jo. 463 00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:22,840 Speaker 2: Think how much a young Alex Rodriguez could have made 464 00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:27,600 Speaker 2: at Westminster Christian without every even going to the Seattle Mariners. 465 00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:29,760 Speaker 5: David, I needed an agent like you, I would have 466 00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:31,720 Speaker 5: been just fine. 467 00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:34,040 Speaker 1: Exactly, you know, just answer to finish up the I 468 00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:36,320 Speaker 1: think college has a big question mark on it. I 469 00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:38,919 Speaker 1: think there's going to have to be some guardrails somewhere 470 00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:42,439 Speaker 1: along the line. But right now it's the wild, wild West. 471 00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:45,359 Speaker 1: And if you can raise money and you can have 472 00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:49,560 Speaker 1: your nil and your rev share schools like Ohio State 473 00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:51,879 Speaker 1: and Michigan, you know they're going to continue to stay 474 00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:55,080 Speaker 1: dominant because of money and revenue. 475 00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:58,399 Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, David, this was super fun. Thank you 476 00:24:58,440 --> 00:24:59,920 Speaker 2: so much for spending some time with us. 477 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:00,960 Speaker 1: Thank you guys, take care. 478 00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:01,240 Speaker 4: Thank you. 479 00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:01,600 Speaker 1: David. 480 00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:09,399 Speaker 2: The Deal is hosted by Alex Rodriguez and Jason kelly In. 481 00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:12,600 Speaker 2: This episode was made by Alexis HoTT and Stacy Wong. 482 00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:16,080 Speaker 2: Will Connelly is our video editor. Our theme music is 483 00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:19,800 Speaker 2: made by Blake Maples. Our executive producers are Ashley Zingaro 484 00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:23,800 Speaker 2: and Amy Keene. Additional support from Rachel Carnivale, Nick Silva, 485 00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:26,879 Speaker 2: and Elena Sos Angeles. Thanks so much for listening to 486 00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:29,080 Speaker 2: the deal. 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