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Speaker 1: Wake that ass up in the morning, The Breakfast Club Morning.

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Speaker 1: Everybody is the j n V. Just Hilarie Charlamage the guy.

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Speaker 1: We are the Breakfast Club. We got some special guests

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Speaker 1: in the building from the Not All Hood podcast. We

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Speaker 1: have Malcolm Jamore Warner where you see Baraka and Candice Kelly.

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Speaker 2: Welcome you, Hey, good.

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Speaker 3: To see you.

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Speaker 4: How the brothers and sister feeling were good? Life's good?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, good morning.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's about here, y'all just.

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Speaker 4: Moved into It was the first interview in our new studio.

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Speaker 3: That's right.

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Speaker 4: Wow, man, I love the name Not All Hood?

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Speaker 3: Nah?

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Speaker 4: Who came up with that?

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Speaker 3: That was what you'll see?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't even remember for real, for real, Like

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Speaker 6: I was just like, uh nah, Like Malcolm and I

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Speaker 6: have been talking about just the concept of the podcast

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Speaker 6: and how the diversity and who we are and also

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Speaker 6: who we're not, right, So I was like, nah.

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Speaker 7: Nah, Yeah, it feels like that was might say all

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Speaker 7: black people from the hood?

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Speaker 3: Nah exactly?

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Speaker 7: Is it that where a lot of people come from

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Speaker 7: poor and disenfranchised environments, but we are not our environment?

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Speaker 6: Like it's just that we come from a bunch of

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Speaker 6: different environments, you know. And I feel like, you know,

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Speaker 6: a lot of media to portraying us either like your

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Speaker 6: hip hop, you're your hip hop or pop culture right,

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Speaker 6: you know, and now we're more than that.

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Speaker 3: It's funny that you actually said that, Charlomagne, because I

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Speaker 3: grew up in I grew up in La in the jungle, wow.

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Speaker 3: And my mother used to say to me, Malcolm, we

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Speaker 3: live in the jungle, We're not of the jungle. So

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Speaker 3: she was very clear on me having my sights further

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Speaker 3: than just my neighborhood, which is why she put me

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Speaker 3: in theater. And it was always trying to find things

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Speaker 3: for me to do to keep me, you know, from

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Speaker 3: just going to school and just hanging out, you know.

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Speaker 3: But it was that it was a certain mindset that

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Speaker 3: you know, she instilled in me, like Okay, yeah, we're here,

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Speaker 3: but you know, this doesn't have to define us.

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Speaker 8: And you know what, we are often recognized before we

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Speaker 8: enter into any room and judge right, and sometimes you

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Speaker 8: get the question that you know means you really don't

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Speaker 8: belong here. So when that comes, can you yeah, yeah, right,

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Speaker 8: can I help you?

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 6: Right?

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Speaker 8: Can I help you? Or have I seen you be

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Speaker 8: here here before? Or what are you doing in this neighborhood. Yes,

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Speaker 8: that's right one, that's the why, right, what are you

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Speaker 8: doing this neighbor This is my neighborhood.

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Speaker 3: Why are you here? Yeah?

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Speaker 5: Why are you jogging here?

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Speaker 8: Right?

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Speaker 5: That you know that you just happened to my father.

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Speaker 8: He would jog in the neighborhood and all the white

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Speaker 8: neighbors would stop him when we first moved in, and

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Speaker 8: they would keep on stopping him.

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Speaker 5: This back in the seventies.

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Speaker 8: So he finally just went to the police station and said,

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Speaker 8: I just need to introduce myself so that when you

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Speaker 8: guys stopped me, you know who you are, and it stopped.

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Speaker 8: But that's kind of an example of what it means

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Speaker 8: when people perceive you beforehand, and what you have to

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Speaker 8: do to go outside of the box to keep im

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Speaker 8: proving who you are over and over again. So this

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Speaker 8: really is just an ongoing conversation that we have Malcolm

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Speaker 8: Le's call a safe space, which it is just to

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Speaker 8: say really what we want about anything about our experiences

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Speaker 8: in America. And that's really kind of key to it too.

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Speaker 8: We have people that are from diverse backgrounds, whether they're

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Speaker 8: but you come to America and there's kind of a

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Speaker 8: sharing to really change this mass narrative that's already out

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Speaker 8: there about us creator shift.

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Speaker 1: It's a term hood negative though when people say hood

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Speaker 1: sometimes it comes off as negative. I don't take it

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Speaker 3: No? And I think, you know, part of the you know,

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Speaker 3: the idea of not all hood is hood is not

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Speaker 3: a negative term. Hood is part of the community. Like

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Speaker 3: whether there are all these different lanes to the black community,

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Speaker 3: those lanes. So the hood is not a bad thing.

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Speaker 3: We're not all you know, we're not Yes, we are hood,

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Speaker 3: but we're not all hood. And the media, and I

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Speaker 3: we get all the stereotypes and preconceived ideas.

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Speaker 6: And hood comes from like neighborhood, neigh right, and day

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Speaker 6: Love said it. You know, they called the hood because

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Speaker 6: we're not neighbors anymore, you know what I mean, a

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Speaker 6: lot of times we're not communicating with each other, right,

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Speaker 6: but we we're trying to change that.

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Speaker 5: I did get that question a lot though, you have

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Speaker 5: a podcast. Isn't hood negative?

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Speaker 8: So I understand where you're coming from. But just like

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Speaker 8: they said, it's a neighborhood. I mean, I live in

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Speaker 8: a place where I'm next to a lot of Indian neighborhood,

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Speaker 5: You can still call it the hood.

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Speaker 8: People also associate the word hood we're just us, which really, yeah,

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Speaker 8: we're black. So it's just one of those things. It's

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Speaker 8: kind of some damage that the media, the pop culture,

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Speaker 8: the news has done and really trying to define who

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I never took it as negative. It was always

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Speaker 1: going back to the hood, to mean, I'm going back

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Speaker 1: home to my neighborhood, right exactly wherever it was. I'm

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Speaker 1: going to play basketball in the hood, which was my neighborhood.

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Speaker 1: You know, I mean, I never took it as oh

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Speaker 1: my gosh, it's a place. No, I never took it

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Speaker 1: at that. I know a lot of people do, but

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Speaker 1: that was always just like going home, you know.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, And you know, we were talking about this yesterday.

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Speaker 8: That also when we talk about being African American, we

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Speaker 8: talk about the trauma that's associated, like that's really all.

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Speaker 8: You know, we have diabetes and high blood pressure and

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Speaker 8: we're dying and the.

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Speaker 5: Infomortality rate. But we're happy people too.

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Speaker 8: But we make it to the news when it's bad.

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Speaker 8: You know, we may often make it to the news

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Speaker 8: when it's bad. And so that's another thing that I

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Speaker 8: think this podcast does. I think for the three of us,

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Speaker 8: it's just show the joy and what it's like being

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Speaker 4: Four lord, but yeah, how did the three of you

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Speaker 4: all come together? How did y'all get together?

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Speaker 3: The left?

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Speaker 4: Yo? Everything right?

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Speaker 3: What you SA and I have been friends for she's

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Speaker 3: for a minute, a long minute, twenty plus years. We

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Speaker 3: used to both be at the National Back Theater Festival

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Speaker 3: in Winstern, Salem and where you and I met in

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Speaker 3: nineteen ninety nine, and we would put on the first

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Speaker 3: poetry jam there and that turned out to be one

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Speaker 3: of the biggest attractions at the theater. We used to

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Speaker 3: call them midnight poetry Jam. So after you know, all

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Speaker 3: day of theater, you know, in every imaginable performance space

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Speaker 3: poetry Jam. It'll just be open mic starting at midnight

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Speaker 6: And it was a big attraction, yeah festival, and then

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Speaker 6: we just kept hanging out. Yeah yeah. And then I

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Speaker 6: know link with Cannis from I was doing sort of

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Speaker 6: community organizing and sort of it was a a event

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Speaker 6: connected there just sort of yeah linked And when I

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Speaker 6: decided that we were going to do this podcast, we're like, yeah,

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Speaker 6: we need some different voices.

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Speaker 5: In yeah. Yeah.

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Speaker 8: So and I do a lot of work, a lot

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Speaker 8: of commentating on various mostly legal cases. I feel in

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Speaker 8: for rolland Martin to Roland Martin unfiltered and so I'm

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Speaker 8: always running my mouth and when I got on with them,

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Speaker 8: I think I ran my mouth for them to say,

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Speaker 8: you know what, you.

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Speaker 5: Want to keep talking with us.

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Speaker 8: I was like, I actually do right, So you know,

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Speaker 8: really and that first conversation we talked about anything from

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Speaker 8: and word to talking to music. I mean, we were

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Speaker 8: just on for a long time and it's just a

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Speaker 8: nice everybody was testifying, you know what I mean, it

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Speaker 8: really was. It was just a good way to connect

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Speaker 3: But the dope things when Way and I first started

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Speaker 3: talking when we're both older fathers. So the initial idea

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Speaker 3: black fathers. So when we first met with Candais, it

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Speaker 3: was as a producer.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, to produce this show, that's right.

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Speaker 3: And then we had that meeting, was like, you know,

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Speaker 3: ninety minutes, this is the show. Yeah, We're like, we

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Speaker 3: concept from just you know, the black father perspective. And

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Speaker 3: it turned into yeah, and.

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Speaker 8: I think your wife because your wife is in the

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Speaker 8: background like that, Yeah, what.

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Speaker 2: Are some of the topics you guys will be discussing.

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Speaker 6: Black fatherhood?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, black.

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Speaker 6: Older fathers with younger children.

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Speaker 2: How you guys handling that?

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Speaker 3: Yo?

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Speaker 2: What did your older your youngest so youngest?

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Speaker 6: Only we only have one because I got a two.

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Speaker 2: Year old Sol, and then I got a twenty.

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Speaker 3: Two year old. Fifty three, I got a nine year old.

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Speaker 3: I got six, he got four.

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Speaker 4: I'll be forty six and a couple of weeks my

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Speaker 4: youngest two. I got a two year old, five year

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Speaker 4: old year old, and mold is fifteen.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, so y'all started around when we started.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm fifty three and my daughter just turned seven.

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Speaker 6: Okay, okay, so you'll can have a conversation we're talking about,

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Speaker 6: you know what I mean, those those days where they

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Speaker 6: be on, on, go, go, you know what I mean,

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Speaker 6: and you gotta just wrap your energy up and and

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Speaker 6: make it happen, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 4: Crazy you say that.

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Speaker 7: My homeboy told me that a long time ago, because

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Speaker 7: you know, all my homeboys had kids way younger than

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Speaker 7: I did, right, And they was like, man, you gonna

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Speaker 7: wait till you thirty plus forty to have kids. You're

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Speaker 7: gonna be running around. He's gonna be hurting, Like, no,

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Speaker 7: he won't.

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Speaker 8: Yes, they are, exactly, but that doesn't some good come

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Speaker 8: with that, you being older. So yeah, you know, being

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Speaker 3: It was good.

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Speaker 2: You guys have boys or girls?

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, girl, I said that.

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Speaker 7: Girls different differ.

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Speaker 2: I got to always suit off, but some girls changing.

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Speaker 3: So I've always since she came, since I literally pulled

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Speaker 3: that kind of loves normalized. Right. That's always been my

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Speaker 3: That's the normalization I want her to have in terms

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Speaker 6: Absolutely, what you see, Yeah, same thing, Like you know,

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, you know, yet, hold on, can you speak to

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Speaker 9: Yeah?

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I come from a family of three girls and

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Speaker 8: They know all about my father. I told the story

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Speaker 8: So that is very infused in me and my mother too,

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Speaker 8: don't get me wrong, but since we're talking about fathers,

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Speaker 8: sometimes you're doing something you're like, oh, that's my dad,

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Speaker 8: what I did right there, that's my mom. Like you

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Speaker 8: can you know when they've poured into it, when you

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Speaker 6: The line, we try and my daughter reminds me that

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Speaker 5: Maybe not Yeah.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, it really is powerful to have a powerful father,

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Speaker 1: I think the funniest thing for girl dads is humbling, right,

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Speaker 2: But now when I take my daughters today.

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Speaker 8: Better get out, I be doing a dance moved right.

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Speaker 1: It takes you out of that that ego place where

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Speaker 3: I think when my daughter was born, I found myself

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Speaker 6: Like baby feet and baby dimples.

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Speaker 2: I was like, what is.

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Speaker 5: Oh, they're so cute?

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Speaker 6: Man opened up a whole other world.

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Speaker 7: It's probably a stupid question, way, but you hate poetry.

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Speaker 7: You laugh in Baracca? You related?

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Speaker 6: No relation?

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Speaker 3: No wow, no relation.

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Speaker 6: Okay, that's a loute to the barac. I mean all

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Speaker 4: Absolutely know Mary.

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Speaker 1: Now Father's Day is around the corner, do you, guys?

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Speaker 1: As Father's Day important to you guys as much?

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Speaker 3: And for you?

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Speaker 2: Is it important as you? Because for myself I just

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Speaker 3: To chill father.

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Speaker 1: That don't need too much. This is little barbecue the

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Speaker 8: Well, so my father is passed a couple of years ago.

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Speaker 8: I was, you know this morning, all right, we're doing dinner, right,

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Speaker 5: Are we doing that? We're going out?

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 8: It's one of those things where I just like, as

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Speaker 8: I tell my husband all the time, you know what,

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Speaker 8: it's not the it's not the birthdays or the Christmas

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Speaker 8: But I do remember as my father and he got older,

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Speaker 8: to come back and give him that gift of time

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Speaker 8: because at some point, you know, you don't need.

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Speaker 5: Socks or clothes or TV or car. You don't need that.

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Speaker 8: What you want is stuff that's really free time, respect, love,

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Speaker 2: But that wants to scratch off ticket, you know, there

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Speaker 8: You know what he wants to see you when you

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Speaker 8: give it to him, You know what I mean, it's

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Speaker 5: Yeah, but if he wins. You know, you gotta work

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Speaker 7: I'm talking about you afraid of being too honest and

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Speaker 7: very loose, as we've seen, and people have a certain

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Speaker 3: You even care about that, So it's interesting. So you know,

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Speaker 3: I've said that in interviews that this is, you know,

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Speaker 3: I was saying and to my comments as I was,

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Speaker 9: g first thing in the morning.

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Speaker 4: Malcolm morning to say he stopped listening to J Cole.

446
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Speaker 1: Yeah, let's play thet's certain clip here. So people undertake, like,

447
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Speaker 1: what are you talking about?

448
00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:39,960
Speaker 4: You playing it in context?

449
00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:40,920
Speaker 3: Context?

450
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Speaker 1: Because I'm sure we don't have to clip off the

451
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Speaker 1: other clip. No, so we're in context, Okay.

452
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Speaker 3: Dig dig it, dig it. So so many people, you know,

453
00:21:50,359 --> 00:21:52,520
Speaker 3: they just ignore the fact that I said, I love

454
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Speaker 3: J Cole and I said that most of my favorite

455
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Speaker 3: mcs you know, are guilty of the same thing we're

456
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Speaker 3: talking about, you know, perpetuating, perpetuating anti black messaging in

457
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Speaker 3: our black music. So that was really my point.

458
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Speaker 7: I don't understand. That's when they lose me. How is

459
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Speaker 7: that anti How is the N word saying you don't

460
00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:16,800
Speaker 7: like the N word anti black messaging? Isn't the N

461
00:22:16,840 --> 00:22:17,600
Speaker 7: word anti black?

462
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Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying. My perspective is so much of

463
00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:24,600
Speaker 3: our black music today, like you take the Dope beats

464
00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:27,920
Speaker 3: away and you just listen to the lyrics. Lyrically, it's

465
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Speaker 3: anti black message, you know what I'm saying. And we

466
00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:35,840
Speaker 3: talk about you know, so much of you know, hip

467
00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:39,239
Speaker 3: hop today that's trash and whatnot. But you know, as

468
00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:43,359
Speaker 3: I said before, they grew up listening to what we

469
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Speaker 3: were listening to, right, So we are complicit in, you know,

470
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Speaker 3: the parts of hip hop today that we don't like

471
00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:51,679
Speaker 3: because they grew up listening to us. Listening listening to

472
00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:57,440
Speaker 3: the content is the same. The scale set is just whack, right,

473
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Speaker 3: which is what makes it stand.

474
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Speaker 6: Out, as they didn't listen to what we were listening to,

475
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Speaker 6: you know what I'm saying. But I think that we

476
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Speaker 6: also had a broader We listened to music when there

477
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Speaker 6: was more than just hip hop. Hip Hop was not

478
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Speaker 6: the the juggernaut of music that it is now, right, okay,

479
00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:23,119
Speaker 6: Like like yeah, jazz, like like you would, you know,

480
00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:25,600
Speaker 6: like we was rocking the salt hall notes, you know

481
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Speaker 6: what I mean, and all these other things, right, you.

482
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Speaker 7: Know what I mean?

483
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Speaker 6: Yeah, Like we had these a lot of other influences

484
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Speaker 6: that I think the youth of today don't necessarily have

485
00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:43,000
Speaker 6: aren't necessarily being uh promoted in terms of yeah, in

486
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Speaker 6: terms of balance.

487
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Speaker 7: Yeah, I get exactly what you're saying, because even the

488
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Speaker 7: other genres now are hip.

489
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Speaker 6: Hop, right what I'm saying, Like, you know, it's countries,

490
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Speaker 6: a little bit of hip hop, you know what I mean.

491
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Speaker 3: And so much of it, so much of the hip

492
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Speaker 3: hop that gets the shine, you know, it's it's the

493
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Speaker 3: anti black message, but that's very rarely. There are not

494
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Speaker 3: many hip hop songs that are speaking love to our people.

495
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Speaker 3: Most of it is very threatening.

496
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Speaker 6: But is that the artists or is that the industry?

497
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Speaker 3: Both okay, and the end the result is the same.

498
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Speaker 3: The the the psyche on young black boys and girls,

499
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Speaker 3: there's the same whether it's the wather.

500
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Speaker 6: But if it's young black boys and girl, that's on

501
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Speaker 6: the parents.

502
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Speaker 3: Yeah, sure, but all parents don't. All parents. There's a

503
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Speaker 3: certain luxury that you and I have in terms of

504
00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:38,760
Speaker 3: the time that we and our wives can spend with

505
00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:41,880
Speaker 3: our daughters, right, but everybody everybody that all families don't

506
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Speaker 3: have that. So we're not talking about uh psyche of

507
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Speaker 3: young black kids who have their parents very involved in

508
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Speaker 3: their lives and showing them balance. We're talking about the

509
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Speaker 3: ones who were.

510
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Speaker 6: Let's hold them accountable to the messages. My fault.

511
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Speaker 4: This is the This is like I don't think would

512
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Speaker 4: you say J Cole had the anti black message?

513
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Speaker 3: No, so so for me because nigga has become you know,

514
00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:14,560
Speaker 3: it's become the staple in hip hop, like it's got

515
00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:16,320
Speaker 3: to be a nigga bitch. That's why I said in

516
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Speaker 3: that clip. I think there should be a moratorium on

517
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Speaker 3: both of those words in hip hop because it's it's

518
00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:26,280
Speaker 3: at this point, it's corny, it's lazy. Everybody is using it.

519
00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:28,520
Speaker 3: So let's like, you know, you know, there are so

520
00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:32,639
Speaker 3: many brilliant writers and lyricists out there that it's like,

521
00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:34,640
Speaker 3: come on, let's let's let's stop our game. We don't

522
00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:37,600
Speaker 3: have to keep doing If everybody's doing it, then come

523
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Speaker 3: on do something different, you know. So my thing with

524
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Speaker 3: with with J Cole, it just I just got to

525
00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:46,800
Speaker 3: a point where I got tired of, you know, hearing

526
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Speaker 3: inward or being called inward in every hip hop song

527
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Speaker 3: I'm listening to. And I mentioned J Cole because I

528
00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:59,720
Speaker 3: love J Cole and he's such an and an incredible

529
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Speaker 3: lyrics that when I hear him just gratuitously use either

530
00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:07,560
Speaker 3: those words, I'm like, ah, I mean kind of you

531
00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:10,520
Speaker 3: know that I have to tune out. Yeah, doesn't mean

532
00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:14,800
Speaker 3: doesn't mean I like J Cole or respect his artistry,

533
00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:18,240
Speaker 3: his his pen game any less, I just go, all right,

534
00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:20,520
Speaker 3: I'm kind of I gotta tune out because it's not

535
00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:24,280
Speaker 3: it's not doing, it's not bringing, it's not feeding me.

536
00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:27,359
Speaker 7: So what about the album like because and this is

537
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Speaker 7: the album that I say in the future is gonna

538
00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:31,160
Speaker 7: be two of the most important albums of all time.

539
00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:33,800
Speaker 7: Miss Kendrick Lamar and mister Morale in the Big Steps

540
00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:36,880
Speaker 7: jay Z four for four. The things that they're discussing

541
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Speaker 7: on this album, black men going to therapy, black men

542
00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:43,919
Speaker 7: doing right by the women. You know, uh, issues with

543
00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:46,600
Speaker 7: our father daddy, issues that we fix. Like, to me,

544
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Speaker 7: those themes are bigger than the language that they use.

545
00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:52,000
Speaker 7: Even you look at somebody like Tupac. To me, Tupac's

546
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:55,480
Speaker 7: themes were bigger than the language he was using.

547
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Speaker 3: People keep saying that about Tupac, but like, and I

548
00:26:58,520 --> 00:26:59,720
Speaker 3: don't want to get too a whole thing about it

549
00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:02,440
Speaker 3: about but yeah, I listened to his I mean, listen

550
00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:11,080
Speaker 3: to There's There's Dear Mama, Brenda's got a baby, keep

551
00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:16,720
Speaker 3: your head up. And then everything else is not everything.

552
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Speaker 1: This changes this you got got a bunch of but

553
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Speaker 1: you know, you know what this conversation sounds like. It

554
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:24,679
Speaker 1: sounds like, you know where you're younger and your father said, oh,

555
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:28,480
Speaker 1: you listen to that hippie hoppity rap. There's a lot

556
00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:30,960
Speaker 1: of positivity. All the positive artists out there that.

557
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:31,479
Speaker 3: Are spitting right.

558
00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:34,320
Speaker 1: But if we're listening to music, those same artists had

559
00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:37,200
Speaker 1: the same problem. If you think about tyleb Quality never

560
00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:40,200
Speaker 1: got on radio, Most Death never got on radio. Tribe

561
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:42,960
Speaker 1: called Quest hardly got on radio. We talked about a

562
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Speaker 1: lot of those positive rappers. It was the same thing

563
00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:45,560
Speaker 1: back then.

564
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Speaker 2: Those artists might have a record or too.

565
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Speaker 1: Tell him didn't get on radio too. He did a

566
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Speaker 1: record to jay Z hopped on the single just to

567
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Speaker 1: get by the time record, but it took him a

568
00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:58,600
Speaker 1: long time to get on record. Most definim didn't get

569
00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:02,320
Speaker 1: really on radio. To what miss Fat Fat Bulty. So

570
00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:04,440
Speaker 1: a lot of the things that we're talking about with

571
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Speaker 1: the same thing coming rarely got on you know what

572
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Speaker 1: I mean.

573
00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:09,000
Speaker 2: But it's the same thing.

574
00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:11,960
Speaker 1: It's the same thing as what we push Like back then,

575
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Speaker 1: who's on radio, Biggie t.

576
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Speaker 7: I, you know, like they had social records with socially

577
00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:20,440
Speaker 7: redeeming value.

578
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:21,920
Speaker 3: But the records on radio.

579
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Speaker 7: Like my dad used to always try to get me

580
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:25,800
Speaker 7: to listen to the Honorable Minutes to Lewis farra Coon

581
00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:29,840
Speaker 7: and I would sort of reluctantly when I heard Biggie

582
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:33,040
Speaker 7: say deep like the mind of Farrakhn. I'm like, oh,

583
00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:35,639
Speaker 7: that's the brother my daddy's always trying to get me.

584
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Speaker 4: So now I really like he was speaking to you.

585
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:41,320
Speaker 7: Yeah, d Baron CON's a prophet. I think you ought

586
00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:44,000
Speaker 7: to listen to it, like, oh, let me pay attention.

587
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:46,600
Speaker 7: So even with the language of a biggie or whoever,

588
00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:49,960
Speaker 7: they can still deliver messaging that makes you get in

589
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:50,560
Speaker 7: the right direction.

590
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Speaker 6: Lauren says, what's the line, right, So.

591
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Speaker 3: You're ignorant trying to say, but also what what What

592
00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:10,040
Speaker 3: I have to be mindful of as well? Is politics,

593
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:11,760
Speaker 3: not even not not even that, because that's a whole

594
00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:17,080
Speaker 3: nother relation, right, But it's more I realized that it's

595
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:22,640
Speaker 3: way more productive across the board and for my my

596
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:28,479
Speaker 3: own energy in space is instead of spending time talking

597
00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:33,000
Speaker 3: about the trash, talking about the things that I don't

598
00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:35,080
Speaker 3: like and I think we're all guilty of, we talked

599
00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:38,160
Speaker 3: about the negative. But I'm trying to be more mindful,

600
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:40,520
Speaker 3: like even in my in my conversations with hip hop,

601
00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:44,240
Speaker 3: be mindful of well, instead of talking about the same thing,

602
00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:48,120
Speaker 3: which is the negative, let me spend time highlighting what

603
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:50,720
Speaker 3: I like or like what I love about hip hop?

604
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:56,760
Speaker 3: That right, you know, I write hard for Mumbo Fresh

605
00:29:57,320 --> 00:30:01,200
Speaker 3: all day, but even just that, like yeah, thinking about

606
00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:04,960
Speaker 3: you know, Norman SONISTCTED. I finally reposted on on Instagram

607
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:09,080
Speaker 3: like seeing these cats I believe really need to have shine?

608
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:12,560
Speaker 3: What stuff complaining that they don't have shine? I got

609
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:15,360
Speaker 3: social media, Like now I can actually, you know, give

610
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:17,600
Speaker 3: shine to those And I've got I got a following,

611
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:21,880
Speaker 3: I've got a voice, you know, I've got integrity, uh,

612
00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:25,560
Speaker 3: a reputation for integrity going for me, so like why

613
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:28,800
Speaker 3: not just use that and spend more time, you know,

614
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Speaker 3: speaking about the giving love to the things that make

615
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:34,560
Speaker 3: me feel good.

616
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Speaker 1: But I also think I have evolution to right, you know,

617
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:38,440
Speaker 1: because I went to Hampton. When I used to drive

618
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:40,760
Speaker 1: to Hampton, I'm listening to noise because it's keeping me up.

619
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Speaker 3: What what what?

620
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Speaker 2: And I'm thinking I'm the biggest what.

621
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Speaker 3: But then when you get a little older.

622
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Speaker 7: You'd be like, that's a little noise, right, let me

623
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:52,040
Speaker 7: talk about something like listening to it when I'm working

624
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:53,520
Speaker 7: up from the south workout.

625
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:54,680
Speaker 3: Yeah.

626
00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:58,720
Speaker 4: But I also grew up on Goodie mob, you know.

627
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Speaker 6: And I think, you know, it's we've got more of

628
00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:03,680
Speaker 6: a balance right as we get older than one. We've

629
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:07,320
Speaker 6: got we've been exposed to more music, right, So it's

630
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:08,720
Speaker 6: it's a little different now, you know. I mean like

631
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:11,400
Speaker 6: they still in the throes of what's hot, you know

632
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:14,400
Speaker 6: what I mean. The how we access music is different now, correct,

633
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:17,360
Speaker 6: because they're just like yo, you know, point click, right,

634
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:20,800
Speaker 6: and it's not necessarily about what's on the radio. It's

635
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:22,200
Speaker 6: about what they want to listen to.

636
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:24,080
Speaker 2: Which is they've got direct access to that.

637
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:26,640
Speaker 4: You know, can don't want to ask from a woman's perspective,

638
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:28,120
Speaker 4: you know what I find interesting?

639
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:30,880
Speaker 7: Right, you know, we have these conversations, but I will

640
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:34,600
Speaker 7: never forget Snoop Dogg and DMX's versus right when they

641
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:36,760
Speaker 7: did their verses, I think it was during COVID and

642
00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:40,080
Speaker 7: I remember thinking, oh, this is going tonight, that boy

643
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:42,680
Speaker 7: they finally listened to Snoop and DMX and it's gonna

644
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:45,240
Speaker 7: be a woke cancel fest on Twitter. But there was

645
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:48,080
Speaker 7: people in the comments, the same people I usually see

646
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:51,920
Speaker 7: trying to cancel people loving it. Right, Yeah, but how

647
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:53,560
Speaker 7: does that make you feel knowing you came up in

648
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:56,760
Speaker 7: that era of the nineties, Is it conflicting that you know?

649
00:31:57,080 --> 00:31:57,520
Speaker 5: Not at all?

650
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Speaker 8: And I'm right in the middle with them in terms

651
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:01,960
Speaker 8: of won, the N word and just this whole idea

652
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:06,040
Speaker 8: of music and what it represents, because I know so

653
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:08,720
Speaker 8: I love Wu Tang, and when I listen to them,

654
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:11,640
Speaker 8: I get like a good energy out, not just work out,

655
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:14,320
Speaker 8: but when something goes wrong sometimes that music allows you

656
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:17,640
Speaker 8: to let stuff out, you know that you just couldn't

657
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:19,680
Speaker 8: get out in the day when you're with your peers

658
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:21,800
Speaker 8: or when you're on the streets, you just in the

659
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:25,280
Speaker 8: car loud with it. And then I also think it's

660
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:27,480
Speaker 8: how were we brought up and what do we bring

661
00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:30,440
Speaker 8: to the table. So the N word, for example, I mean,

662
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Speaker 8: I don't know how you were introduced to it, ever,

663
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Speaker 8: but that's shaped probably what the word means to you,

664
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Speaker 8: and same with me probably saying to you. And we

665
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Speaker 8: all have different things that we bring to the table,

666
00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:42,960
Speaker 8: just culturally, and I think that just shifts. And I'm

667
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 8: a firm believer in the First Amendment, like all the way,

668
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:48,960
Speaker 8: because once you start saying no here and no here,

669
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Speaker 8: then I'm giving somebody else the authority to say no

670
00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 8: to me one day too, And I don't want that precedent.

671
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:56,240
Speaker 8: I don't want them saying, well, you can't say this,

672
00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:59,160
Speaker 8: and you can't say that just because of the content

673
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:01,840
Speaker 8: of it or the context of it. We don't like

674
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Speaker 8: it at all. It's like when they try to bring

675
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:06,680
Speaker 8: up rack lyrics when they go to jail in court. Right,

676
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:08,640
Speaker 8: I mean, that doesn't make any sense. We all have

677
00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:11,920
Speaker 8: the same equal First Amendment rights and you should fight

678
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:13,320
Speaker 8: for them and use them equally.

679
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Speaker 1: Let me ask you a question. Yeah, TikToker, yesterday I

680
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:19,360
Speaker 1: seen it online. She said the N word, right, she

681
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:20,840
Speaker 1: got fired from her regular job.

682
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Speaker 5: Oh, this was the girl who was cooking that young lady.

683
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Speaker 1: Yes, and in her comments she was also white by

684
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:30,440
Speaker 1: the way, yes, right, critical.

685
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:32,640
Speaker 2: But this is where I'm gonna close it.

686
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Speaker 1: She said on her TikTok that she didn't apologize because

687
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Speaker 1: it was her first right amendment to say what she

688
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:40,040
Speaker 1: wanted to say, and she shouldn't have got fired. What's

689
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:41,920
Speaker 1: your thoughts on somebody like that it is her first

690
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:42,520
Speaker 1: right amendment?

691
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:44,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, but then there are three different rules.

692
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:47,840
Speaker 8: There's First Amendment rules on TikTok, there's First Amendment rules

693
00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:49,840
Speaker 8: at her work, and then that's her own rules of

694
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Speaker 8: what she believes about the N word, and all of

695
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:52,840
Speaker 8: them conflicted, and she.

696
00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:54,040
Speaker 5: Got exactly what she deserves.

697
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Speaker 8: She did, but then that's what happened. That's why you

698
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:59,080
Speaker 8: do have to be careful with it, right. You can't

699
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:02,320
Speaker 8: be on TikTok it. I mean, this is a good example.

700
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:05,400
Speaker 8: Person person, No, no, you can't. So you just have

701
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:08,400
Speaker 8: to really understand how to use the First Amendment to

702
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:10,839
Speaker 8: So for example, if you're the KKK, you can walk

703
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:14,000
Speaker 8: march anywhere in America, you just have to get the permit.

704
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:16,960
Speaker 5: You can't walk on your own. You have to follow

705
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:18,920
Speaker 5: the rules. She didn't follow the rules.

706
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Speaker 8: She she she didn't follow her own hr rules at work,

707
00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:23,480
Speaker 8: and that.

708
00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:25,359
Speaker 3: Was her problem. She did.

709
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:30,400
Speaker 5: That's right, like you said.

710
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Speaker 1: It's also where you came from, right, because the N

711
00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:37,719
Speaker 1: word was a sign of endearment, sure something. It was

712
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:41,480
Speaker 1: that you know, you really didn't hear the extremes of

713
00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:43,160
Speaker 1: it until I went to Hampton in the South, and

714
00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:44,719
Speaker 1: you'll be like, oh no, they're not saying it as

715
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:47,920
Speaker 1: right right right, And that's right.

716
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:50,000
Speaker 6: Right different ways, And that's sort of been part, you know,

717
00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:52,720
Speaker 6: part of my argument. For a lot of people, it's

718
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:55,839
Speaker 6: a term of endearment like it's love. There are more

719
00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:58,280
Speaker 6: interactions that are using the word that are about love

720
00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:01,439
Speaker 6: and that are about disrespect. So you know, and yes

721
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:03,440
Speaker 6: we know the history of it. We also know that

722
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:05,279
Speaker 6: that's mine.

723
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:08,960
Speaker 7: But I also grew up reading stuff I grew up,

724
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Speaker 7: you know, Message to the Black Man by Elijah Muhammad

725
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:14,200
Speaker 7: Bier of Malcolm Back, you know, a great book called

726
00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:15,239
Speaker 7: From Niggas to God.

727
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 4: I think every black man in America should read that.

728
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:21,719
Speaker 7: It's always been I've always been conflicted about using the

729
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:23,000
Speaker 7: work because I don't use it as a term.

730
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Speaker 4: If it did, right, I use it using when Chris

731
00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:30,840
Speaker 4: Rock showed me the difference. I use it for that, right.

732
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:34,120
Speaker 3: Right, there's a I think last time I was here,

733
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:36,839
Speaker 3: I quoted doctor Daniel Black, and I'm going to quote

734
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:42,400
Speaker 3: him again. He says, why should I borrow a word

735
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:45,360
Speaker 3: from people who hate me when I'm trying to speak

736
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:49,360
Speaker 3: love to my brothers and sisters? Right, So I go

737
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:52,399
Speaker 3: back to uh to comrade, you know the term black

738
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:56,200
Speaker 3: panther Party used Reggie Mason, you know, brought it back

739
00:35:56,280 --> 00:36:00,120
Speaker 3: up to me. So I've been on this this comrade campaign. Know,

740
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:02,960
Speaker 3: if I'm trying to speak love to my brother, will comrade,

741
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:05,399
Speaker 3: I get the idea of you know, the N word

742
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:08,680
Speaker 3: is a term of endearment, but it's a colonizers word, so.

743
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Speaker 6: Whole language is colonized, so that like like, it's not

744
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:14,760
Speaker 6: our language. English is not our language.

745
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:16,640
Speaker 3: Sure, but I'm not, but I'm not going to use it.

746
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:19,320
Speaker 3: I I'm at the point of my life where I question,

747
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:23,399
Speaker 3: what's the what's the sense in using a colonizer's word

748
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:27,640
Speaker 3: which was a uh, intentionally derogatory word to describe us?

749
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:30,520
Speaker 3: Why do I want to borrow that particular word and

750
00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:34,840
Speaker 3: go through the the hoops of Oh it's it's positive

751
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:36,840
Speaker 3: so for me and this so just for me personally,

752
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:41,200
Speaker 3: I'm I'm comrade, you know, and and I use it

753
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:55,520
Speaker 3: in both scenarios. That's my comrade to them. Anytime.

754
00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:00,600
Speaker 4: You also said, we showed our co drout.

755
00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:04,920
Speaker 3: Hip hop, and.

756
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:10,479
Speaker 6: It's uh industry wise, it's sort of the bigger picture,

757
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:13,799
Speaker 6: right because they did it the jazz like they co

758
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:17,560
Speaker 6: opted it and used it for their own purposes.

759
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:20,640
Speaker 3: But there wasn't messages and jazz that were going to

760
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:22,640
Speaker 3: have an effect. I mean, black people see them.

761
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:25,600
Speaker 6: I mean yeah, I mean we sort ourself out. But

762
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:33,239
Speaker 6: I also feel like from a macro perspective, this is

763
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:37,239
Speaker 6: going to be the civil rights movement created a lot

764
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:43,880
Speaker 6: of opportunities, and it shifted the mentality that made many

765
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:45,600
Speaker 6: of us very passive.

766
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:47,360
Speaker 3: You know.

767
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Speaker 4: Though, Yeah, I feel like I integrated my people into

768
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:53,160
Speaker 4: a burning.

769
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:55,320
Speaker 6: House, into a burning house, right, Yeah.

770
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:55,160
Speaker 3: We had it.

771
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:58,120
Speaker 4: It was more of a sent of independence. Yeah, I

772
00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:01,040
Speaker 4: get what you're saying. Go people's.

773
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:08,880
Speaker 6: Argument, man, my godfather, don't call me and be like

774
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:16,520
Speaker 6: young man. I like, you know, yeah, like it's.

775
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:18,799
Speaker 3: It's heavy. It's a lot.

776
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:21,759
Speaker 6: And I'm like, ah, you got me a pinch right now.

777
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:26,000
Speaker 5: I didn't what you said. You said that sold ourselves out, okay.

778
00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:29,880
Speaker 5: In terms of music on the podcast, yeah, yeah.

779
00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:31,040
Speaker 3: I mean even I mean, you know, there was a

780
00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:33,560
Speaker 3: term and hip hop artists talk about it when the

781
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:37,080
Speaker 3: record labels say to them, this is what you have

782
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:38,799
Speaker 3: to rap about, and this is what we're paying for

783
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:39,279
Speaker 3: you to wrap.

784
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:39,480
Speaker 8: Right.

785
00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:42,920
Speaker 3: So it's you know, and again I say, in a

786
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:48,359
Speaker 3: lot of ways, we are generation. You know, we are

787
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:51,359
Speaker 3: complicit in what we see, you know, the state of

788
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:55,319
Speaker 3: hip hop. Uh in the younger generation, that's you know,

789
00:38:55,480 --> 00:39:01,799
Speaker 3: we allowed that. And for the dollars tu, I'm gonna

790
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:05,120
Speaker 3: get a T shirt that says, you know.

791
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:07,719
Speaker 7: We had when Snoop was here, This was a few

792
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:10,680
Speaker 7: years ago. We had a conversation about that because that's

793
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:13,080
Speaker 7: always been on my mind as I got noted like

794
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:16,040
Speaker 7: damn see the Lord stuck. It was actually right, and

795
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:19,239
Speaker 7: Snoop said she was, but it was the way she

796
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:21,160
Speaker 7: was coming at us.

797
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:24,200
Speaker 6: And again it's back to that First Amendment thing too,

798
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:26,719
Speaker 6: you know what I mean, Like it's a layered conversation,

799
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:30,839
Speaker 6: like you can't tell me. I can say, like, where

800
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:33,080
Speaker 6: are you going to control my tongue like that? You know,

801
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:35,799
Speaker 6: I'm an artist, Yeah, let me do what I do.

802
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:40,800
Speaker 8: And so and telling yourself out means such a different

803
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:44,200
Speaker 8: thing years ago than to you know, a lot of

804
00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:46,759
Speaker 8: it had to do with people not even being informed,

805
00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:50,680
Speaker 8: right educated on what they could could not do, their rights,

806
00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:53,160
Speaker 8: whether it was publishing, whether there was First Amendment rights,

807
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:57,680
Speaker 8: whether it was their right to own a certain right.

808
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:00,520
Speaker 8: You know that they should have owned advances. Now these

809
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:03,760
Speaker 8: days people are smarter. So when we say that people

810
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:07,680
Speaker 8: sell themselves out, I mean it's negative. But along the way,

811
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:10,279
Speaker 8: you should be selling something right. You should be you know,

812
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:14,439
Speaker 8: in the marketplace, you should be the monopoly that.

813
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:15,880
Speaker 5: You want to be in the process.

814
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:18,960
Speaker 8: So I'm glad the times are changed, right, but it's

815
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:22,120
Speaker 8: definitely different when we talk about who we are today.

816
00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:25,239
Speaker 8: We are more informed in terms of and so we're

817
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:27,480
Speaker 8: making more decisions, which is which is a good takeaway

818
00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:29,720
Speaker 8: when we're looking back at what was happening in the nineties.

819
00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:32,080
Speaker 1: But some of the times, have you understand, Like we

820
00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:34,200
Speaker 1: had an artist a pitty other day. His name was

821
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:37,560
Speaker 1: Rob four nineties from Louisiana, and he said he signed

822
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:38,920
Speaker 1: a deal so he.

823
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:39,759
Speaker 2: Could get out of the hood.

824
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:41,720
Speaker 3: He knew that if he was still there.

825
00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:43,759
Speaker 2: It would be problems for him, his family's mother and

826
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:44,000
Speaker 2: all that.

827
00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:45,960
Speaker 1: So he had to do the deal to get out

828
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:47,680
Speaker 1: of it. And I know even with hip hop back then,

829
00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:50,000
Speaker 1: a lot of artists that's the same, right, that was their.

830
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:52,120
Speaker 2: Only way out, right. Their music was great and they

831
00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:53,240
Speaker 2: didn't know anything out.

832
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:53,759
Speaker 5: Of it, that's right.

833
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:57,440
Speaker 2: So people consider that selling selling me a soul, selling.

834
00:40:57,239 --> 00:40:58,880
Speaker 1: Themselves out for them, they look like, look, I'm just

835
00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:00,480
Speaker 1: trying to get out the hoods one, that's.

836
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:02,279
Speaker 5: Right, And if they had more information that would have

837
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:02,839
Speaker 5: been better off.

838
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:07,840
Speaker 8: That's all access, Yeah, accessing opportunities.

839
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:08,760
Speaker 4: I got a couple of questions.

840
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:10,799
Speaker 7: I want people debscribe to the podcast, but when it

841
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:12,879
Speaker 7: comes to TV and movies. Do you have the same

842
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:14,840
Speaker 7: discretion with the N word and the bware?

843
00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:19,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I feel like if it's if it's

844
00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:23,719
Speaker 3: I mean in terms of using it, in terms of

845
00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:26,440
Speaker 3: my use of it, or the industry's use of it both.

846
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:32,359
Speaker 3: So I think I am I'm against the gratuitous use

847
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:35,320
Speaker 3: of the words. So like, I understand all of the

848
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:38,280
Speaker 3: arguments and all of the defending, but I think what's

849
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:44,680
Speaker 3: getting lost is I'm referring to the gratuitous use of it. Sure,

850
00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:48,720
Speaker 3: we can talk all day about there are some circumstances

851
00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:51,759
Speaker 3: where that word is the only thing that really you know,

852
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:55,080
Speaker 3: So I'm aware of all of that. But my my

853
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:57,439
Speaker 3: issue was, I said, it's the gratuitous use.

854
00:41:57,400 --> 00:42:00,480
Speaker 8: Of it because I would imagine right that if you

855
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:03,719
Speaker 8: get a tight script that takes place in the nineteen sixties,

856
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:05,480
Speaker 8: what else scripts don't have the words?

857
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:06,319
Speaker 7: Right?

858
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:08,280
Speaker 5: So right, that's that's different.

859
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:11,080
Speaker 8: And that's what we talk about a lot amongst the

860
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:13,680
Speaker 8: three of us is that it does have a place.

861
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:17,040
Speaker 8: We can't just erase that of history, right, It has

862
00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 8: a place. You cannot do certain things without the word

863
00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:23,359
Speaker 8: coming up. It's just where you place it in your

864
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:23,759
Speaker 8: own life.

865
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:24,960
Speaker 5: And that's where you play.

866
00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:29,920
Speaker 3: But I can't go do an August Wilson play period,

867
00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:34,560
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. So I get all of that.

868
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:37,640
Speaker 3: I think my issue is along with the I go

869
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:42,440
Speaker 3: back to anti black messaging and our music, the gratuitous

870
00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:44,000
Speaker 3: use of the N word. It's just, you know, it's

871
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:47,560
Speaker 3: just for me. I'm just like, you know, enough already.

872
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:49,560
Speaker 3: And again I said enough already. But then I also

873
00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:54,839
Speaker 3: go back to, you know, there's so many incredible lyricists

874
00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:59,160
Speaker 3: who have proven their pin game is top notch, and

875
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:02,040
Speaker 3: I go, well, just like, elevate the shit if all

876
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:04,719
Speaker 3: these corny motherfuckers are using nigg and bitch in all

877
00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:07,160
Speaker 3: of their lyrics and then don't elevate the shit, like

878
00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:10,480
Speaker 3: show them. And also when we're in our forties and

879
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:13,120
Speaker 3: fifties still rapping the same shit we were wrapping in

880
00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:16,239
Speaker 3: our twenties, it's like that's not even you know, like

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00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:19,040
Speaker 3: like show me some growth, right, like if you're not

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Speaker 3: even giving me any integrity in your art an evolution evolution, yeah,

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Speaker 3: and growth, And I like I just can't and it's

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Speaker 3: not feeding my soul. Can't do it.

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Speaker 4: I get you.

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Speaker 7: I want to ask you one question about respectability politics

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Speaker 7: because you brought it up. The thing about respectability politics,

888
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Speaker 7: what if the person you're respecting is just truly yourself.

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Speaker 4: You're just policing yourself.

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Speaker 7: You're saying about respecting the white man and the system,

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Speaker 7: but trying to make the system comfortable.

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Speaker 4: I'm just respecting myself. Is that still respectability politics?

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Speaker 3: So I bring it up all the time because whenever

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00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:53,160
Speaker 3: we're talking about that, people go to, well, it doesn't

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00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:55,240
Speaker 3: matter what people think about us, Like I'm even talking

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00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:58,759
Speaker 3: about white people. I'm talking about our own level of

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Speaker 3: self respect. So that's all. Always that's always the take

898
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Speaker 3: that I bring up, But then it goes it always

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Speaker 3: the conversation always leads back to claiming respectability.

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Speaker 5: No agreed.

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Speaker 8: You know, we have this conversation often where you know,

902
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:15,960
Speaker 8: you go out, you're not even worrying about any other

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Speaker 8: race until somebody reminds you. So most of the things

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Speaker 8: you're doing, I'm just doing inside of myself.

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Speaker 5: I'm not really concerned about that echo what he says.

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Speaker 6: I mean, those are very specific and nuanced situations. Each

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Speaker 6: it's situational, right. I think that we've gotta center ourselves first.

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Speaker 6: I think it's time that you know, we put black

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Speaker 6: folks at the front and really center how we move

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Speaker 6: and making our movements based around the greater good, the

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Speaker 6: respectability politics. It happens. It's a it's a reality of

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Speaker 6: American culture, and some people choose to engage and some

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Speaker 6: people don't.

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Speaker 4: You don't seem like the type that's gonna have to

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Speaker 4: engage with.

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Speaker 6: I love my people, I love my people.

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Speaker 1: And well, the podcast Not All Hood is streaming everywhere

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Speaker 1: and I appreciate you guys for joining us. Malcolm, Jamal Warner,

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Speaker 1: where you see Baraka and Kandas Kelly. Thank you guys

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Speaker 1: so much. It's Breakfast, Good morning, Wake.

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Speaker 3: That ass up in the morning. The Breakfast Club