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Speaker 1: Breakingpoints dot com. Hi, I'm Matt Stoler, author of monopoly

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Speaker 1: focused newsletter Big and an anti trust policy analyst. I

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Speaker 1: have a great segment for you today on this Big breakdown.

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Speaker 1: So this one's about something that anti trust enforcers just

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Speaker 1: did to help you get a higher paycheck or make

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Speaker 1: it easier for you to get a new and better job. Also,

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Speaker 1: what I've noticed is that a lot of you like

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Speaker 1: to get involved in politics in a meaningful way. So

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Speaker 1: I actually have an action that you can take, and

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Speaker 1: I'll have instructions in this video on how to do

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Speaker 1: so to strengthen the law and help your liberty. Okay,

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Speaker 1: so let's start at the beginning, because one has to

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Speaker 1: do with the workplace from slavery and indentured servitude to

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Speaker 1: minimum wages and unionization. The relationship between work and control

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Speaker 1: have always been core questions in American history and frankly

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Speaker 1: all human history. But I live here in America, so

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Speaker 1: that's what I'm going to talk about, all right. So

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Speaker 1: today we're in a modern society, and one way we

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Speaker 1: ask these same questions about work and control is by

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Speaker 1: talking about employment contracts, the agreements between workers and their employers.

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Speaker 1: Now we've come a long way, generally. You don't see

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Speaker 1: and segregation and all that stuff. For example, in nineteen

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Speaker 1: mine accidents, and that was pretty normal. Railroads, it was

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Speaker 1: a total mess. In the nineteen twenties, the brother of

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Speaker 1: have gotten a lot better today, but that doesn't mean

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Speaker 1: that they are perfect. Today, forty million Americans are bound

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Speaker 1: provision of an employment contract that stops people from leaving

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Speaker 1: a pretty good chance that some of you watching this video,

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Speaker 1: many of you actually are bound by a non compete contract.

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Speaker 1: It's a lot of people are bound by these things,

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Speaker 1: and it's a weird restriction that is relatively new. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's called a non compete. How is that even legal? Right?

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Speaker 1: But over the last twenty years this has changed. Let's

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Speaker 1: Why did these things become more common? Well, the reason

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Speaker 1: members signed that petition, including Eric Adams, including Jermani Williams.

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Speaker 1: We keep inviting them, we text them, we email them,

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Speaker 1: and they're not out here. They don't show up. Somebody's

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Speaker 1: got to ask those questions why they're not here. We're

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Speaker 1: two weeks away from Christmas, and look at what Uber's

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Speaker 1: doing taxing the Maousine Commission approve of minuscule, a minuscule

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Speaker 1: raise for the drivers, and here comes Uber trying to

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Speaker 1: stop it. We didn't even get twenty five cents. It's

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Speaker 1: around twenty three cents, twenty four cents. It's an additional night,

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Speaker 1: it's an additional twenty two cents on the per mile

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Speaker 1: and about five cents on the per minute. Didn't we

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Speaker 1: didn't hit twenty five cents. And the reason they do this,

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Speaker 1: the reason they do they be You can't blame them.

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Speaker 1: They're smart, being proactive because this is gonna affect future raises.

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Speaker 1: Understand So it could have been a nickel that we're

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Speaker 1: fighting over. They're Suber still would have sued, you know,

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Speaker 1: because for them it translates into millions. For us, the

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Speaker 1: only translate into pennies, a few dollars, but we need

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Speaker 1: We gave the TLC a proposal in twenty twenty to

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Speaker 1: give drivers two dollars and fifty cents a mile and

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Speaker 1: fifty cents a minute. The problem with the driver in

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Speaker 1: New York is that people think that we're like like

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Speaker 1: a Kmark job, like a like a fifteen dollar an

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Speaker 1: hour job, a minimum wage job. No, we're small business owners,

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Speaker 1: just like the bodega, the pizza shah, the bakery. We

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Speaker 1: are small business owners. The only thing that our storefront

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Speaker 1: is on a set of wheels, but many people come

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Speaker 1: into our storefront and we're all over the city. We

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Speaker 1: are sent you workers. I myself work throughout the pandemic.

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Speaker 1: Instead of doing twenty five trips a day, I was

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Speaker 1: doing three trips a day, and I still went to

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Speaker 1: the hospital. Was not afraid to go to the hospital.

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Speaker 1: I got COVID two times. And that's it's They would

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Speaker 1: not do that to any other working class people. They

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Speaker 1: wouldn't do it. There's just so many immigrant workers in

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Speaker 1: this business. That and there's a language barrier. It's so

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Speaker 1: easy to get over one now, it's very easy. Do

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Speaker 1: you feel like they're using and exploiting you guys? Oh,

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Speaker 1: of course, of course. This is this is not the

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Speaker 1: this is not boohoo. The Paul taxi driver oh boo hoo,

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Speaker 1: we need more money. Has nothing to do with greed,

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Speaker 1: has nothing to do with greed. This is New York City.

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you what. The Seattle Uber driver, the Seattle

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Speaker 1: Uber driver is making more money right now than the

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Speaker 1: New York driver, including if we get that raise. So

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Speaker 1: the Seattle Uber driver is making a dollar thirty eight

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Speaker 1: a mile and fifty nine cents a minute. The New

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Speaker 1: York driver right now is getting one sixteen a mile

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Speaker 1: and fifty two cents a minute. If we get the rais,

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Speaker 1: the promile is gonna go to one thirty four and

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Speaker 1: the permit is gonna go to about fifty six. Now,

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Speaker 1: why it's not the same across That's that's that's the

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Speaker 1: that's the thing that we that. It boggles the mind.

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Speaker 1: It boggles the mind. Anybody could anybody could do the math.

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Speaker 1: It's it's it's mind bothering. We will get back and

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Speaker 1: fight them because you got the power, we got the strength,

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Speaker 1: we got the faith. So we unless we want them

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Speaker 1: to see us. We're here to let them know we

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Speaker 1: need respect and there's to give it to us. And

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Speaker 1: we will get that respect. We will at the end,

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Speaker 1: we will. Ye, it's right because you are families. We

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Speaker 1: should be able to spend time with our families, get

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Speaker 1: vacations with our kids because you go out there every

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Speaker 1: single day to make that happens. We want to take

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Speaker 1: our kids to college, give then education they need in

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Speaker 1: the near future. That's why de fine is for us

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Speaker 1: for old drivers across the country. Right. So, Uber, we're

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Speaker 1: here in front of your office. Shame you. Let that

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Speaker 1: we know that we're here to get what you need.

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Speaker 1: That's what we deserve after new folks, this is almost

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Speaker 1: our fourteen of this Uber strike. My name is jas Lane.

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Speaker 1: I worked very hard with the New York Taxi Workers

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Speaker 1: Alliance to get our Taxi Medallion don't forgiveness program one.

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Speaker 1: But it's time our Uber drivers get the money that

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Speaker 1: they are owed and deserves. Frong not just because it's

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Speaker 1: the holiday season, but the labor that our drivers provide

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Speaker 1: is essential and necessary not only to keep the city functioning,

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Speaker 1: but to keep mega corporations like Uber functioning and wealthy.

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Speaker 1: We see time, time and time again, corporations like Uber

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Speaker 1: boast about record profits every single year. But we know

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Speaker 1: that record profits are just stolen wages from the working

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Speaker 1: class of our city. In our states, it is essential

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Speaker 1: that Uber makes good on the promise and the work

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Speaker 1: that the Taxi Workers Alliance has done to win this

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Speaker 1: raise that the city has already approved too. Every hour

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Speaker 1: that Uber does not approve these wages is another hour

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Speaker 1: that these drivers spend in the cold and dangerous climates,

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Speaker 1: sitting in rain, in snow, in traffic for hours just

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Speaker 1: to feed their families, get their children to college, and

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Speaker 1: make an honest living. There's no reason why anyone should

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Speaker 1: be driving or working any job for fifteen to twenty

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Speaker 1: years and still be struggling to make the rent. There's

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Speaker 1: no reason for that. So I have shut off my

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Speaker 1: Uber at today. I will continue to keep it shut

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Speaker 1: off until this raise is one. I'm proud to stand

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Speaker 1: with the union members here today and ensure that we

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Speaker 1: win the race for all and get our Uber drivers

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Speaker 1: the money that they deserve for Hey, my name is

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Speaker 1: James Lee. Welcome to another segment of fifty one to

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Speaker 1: forty nine on Breaking Points. It is my first video

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Speaker 1: of twenty twenty three, and I want to take a

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Speaker 1: few minutes to revisit a topic that I'm very passionate about,

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Speaker 1: which is health and nutrition. To start, let's examine a

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Speaker 1: few data points. Rates of obesity in America have skyrocketed

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Speaker 1: over the past fifty sixty years, up to a point

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Speaker 1: now where over thirty percent of adults are considered obese

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Speaker 1: and another thirty plus percent are overweight, meaning that all

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Speaker 1: in all, more than two thirds of adults in the

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Speaker 1: United States are either overweight or obese. Now, we all

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Speaker 1: know obesity is linked to a bunch of different chronic illnesses,

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Speaker 1: one of them being type two diabetes, so probably not surprising.

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Speaker 1: The rate of diabetes in the US has also sky

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Speaker 1: rocketed over the past fifty to sixty years. The only

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Speaker 1: to start diabetes extremely rare back in the fifties and sixties,

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Speaker 1: but now we're talking about disturbing numbers like roughly ten

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Speaker 1: percent or more of Americans today are diabetic and even

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Speaker 1: more are considered pre diabetic. So is there something about

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Speaker 1: nutrition the food that we are eating, that is severely

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Speaker 1: impacting our health and causing us to be fatter and

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Speaker 1: sicker than we've ever been in history? This right here

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Speaker 1: is a dead man who's about to change the world.

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Speaker 1: Dennis Burkett was a world renowned scientist that liked to

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Speaker 1: study pooh. He would study different types of Pooh. He

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Speaker 1: would weigh it, he would measure it. He learned everything

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Speaker 1: he could possibly learn about Pooh. He noticed that the

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Speaker 1: people's poop in Europe and the United States was very,

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Speaker 1: very different than the people's poop in Africa. The poop

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Speaker 1: in the US and Europe often looked like this or

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Speaker 1: like this. It was lumpy and hard, whereast the people

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Speaker 1: in Africa had poop that looked more like this, and

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Speaker 1: it was a lot smoother and softer. The people in

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Speaker 1: high income countries like the United States and Europe had

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Speaker 1: a bunch of health problems that the people in Africa

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Speaker 1: simply didn't have. After living in Africa and studying this

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Speaker 1: phenomenon for more than twenty years, Burkett came up with

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Speaker 1: a hypothesis as to why Western countries are getting so sick.

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Speaker 1: Burkett attributed these diseases to the small quantities of dietary

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Speaker 1: fiber consumed in high income countries, due mainly to the

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Speaker 1: overprocessing of natural foods. Burkett figured out that in high

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Speaker 1: income countries we have severely fiber deficient diets. One of

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Speaker 1: the first science and symptoms is constipation. Long term fiber

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Speaker 1: deficient diet can lead to colon cancer, diverticulosis, appendicitis, varicose veins, diabetes, obesity, allergies,

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Speaker 1: breast cancer, prostate cancer, IBD, lots of problem. We sure

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Speaker 1: have talked an awful lot about science over the past

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Speaker 1: several years. This, however, is probably some of the most

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Speaker 1: fascinating research I've come across, but for some reason it

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Speaker 1: gets almost no coverage, and we have to wonder why. Nonetheless,

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Speaker 1: I did find this on the NIH website. Quote. Since

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Speaker 1: Burkett's death in nineteen ninety three, his hypothesis has been

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Speaker 1: verified and extended by large scale epidemiological studies which have

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Speaker 1: reported that fiber deficiency increases the risk of colon, liver,

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Speaker 1: and breast cancer and increases all cancer mortality and death

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Speaker 1: from cardiovascular, infectious and respiratory diseases, diabetes, and all non

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Speaker 1: cardiovascular non cancer causes. So we know for sure that

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Speaker 1: fiber intake has a huge impact on our overall health

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Speaker 1: and well being. More proof this is from the Mayo Clinic.

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Speaker 1: Benefits of a high fiber diet and normalizes bowel movements,

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Speaker 1: helps maintain bowel health, lowers cholesterol levels, helps control blood

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Speaker 1: sugar levels, aids in achieving healthy weight, helps you live longer. So,

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Speaker 1: once again, if fiber has so many health benefits, why

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Speaker 1: are we removing it from all of our favorite foods.

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Speaker 1: Everyone in the world is familiar with water white rice.

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Speaker 1: Most people don't know is that rice actually looks like this.

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Speaker 1: Around a grain of rice is something called brand. That's

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Speaker 1: the fiber. The white part is called the endosperm. We

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Speaker 1: only eat the endosperm. Now, let's look at wheat. Wheat

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Speaker 1: looks like this. This is the wheat brand or fiber

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Speaker 1: that we take off the wheat so that we can

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Speaker 1: make products like this. Show me any carbohydrate in nature,

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Speaker 1: and I will show you that God and Mother Nature

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Speaker 1: intended that carbohydrate to be covered in fiber. When you

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Speaker 1: take fiber out of food, it makes it much much

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Speaker 1: hard to fill up, so you eat and eat and

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00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:35,480
Speaker 1: eat and never get full and buy more of the product.

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Speaker 1: Those are literally all my favorite foods. Rice for obvious reasons,

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Speaker 1: but also corn bread, sugar for some reason, they're nothing

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Speaker 1: at all like they appear in nature. We have been duped.

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00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:52,719
Speaker 1: It's profitable to sell food that is fatty and sugary

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00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:57,719
Speaker 1: and salty and addictive. It's much less profitable to sell

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Speaker 1: food that is wholesome that is high end fiber and

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00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:07,759
Speaker 1: is minimally processed. So whilst driving the abcity epidemic, it's

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Speaker 1: corporate profits. Is it not extremely frustrating that so many

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00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:14,440
Speaker 1: solvable problems in our society stem from the fact that

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Speaker 1: solving that problem would necessarily disrupt a very profitable financial scheme. Quote.

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Speaker 1: Many of these ultra processed foods are almost prechewed for us.

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Speaker 1: They melt in your mouth immediately. There's no protein, there's

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00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:31,960
Speaker 1: no water, there's no fiber slowing them down. It's going

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00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:34,160
Speaker 1: to hit your taste buds and light up your reward

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00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:37,320
Speaker 1: and motivation centers of the brain immediately. Then there is

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Speaker 1: a secondary hit of dopamine when it gets absorbed into

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Speaker 1: the body. That doesn't even sound like they're talking about

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00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:46,920
Speaker 1: food anymore. It's like they're describing some kind of super

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Speaker 1: drug that they genetically modified to hack our brains. Ultra

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Speaker 1: Processed foods have something else in common with nicotine. Some

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Speaker 1: of the biggest producers of processed foods were from the

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Speaker 1: nineteen eighties to the end of the two thousands, known

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Speaker 1: as Big Tobacco. In nineteen eighty five, R. J. Reynolds

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Speaker 1: acquired Nabisco for four point nine billion dollars, and Philip

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Speaker 1: Morris acquired General Foods in a five point seventy five

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Speaker 1: billion dollar deal that was then the largest takeover in

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Speaker 1: US history outside of the oil industry. Philip Morris added

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Speaker 1: Kraft to its portfolio in nineteen eighty eight and rebranded

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Speaker 1: itself as Altria in two thousand and three. By the

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Speaker 1: time Big Tobacco began acquiring food companies, they had decades

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Speaker 1: of experience studying and optimizing the speed with which their

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Speaker 1: products delivered nicotine to the brain. They continued to harness

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Speaker 1: that science in their food products. This is really some

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Speaker 1: story of American business ingenuity, using science, using the might

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Speaker 1: of Big Tobacco to turn our foods into another addictive drug.

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Speaker 1: What an engineering marvel. In twenty ten, Michelle Obama launched

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Speaker 1: a campaign against child obesity. The First Lady lent her

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Speaker 1: Sassy sachet to Move your Body, aiming to set healthier

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Speaker 1: standards for food served in school lunchrooms. We send our

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Speaker 1: at home. Unfortunately, you know, Michelle Obama was on the

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Speaker 1: move that way rather than let's move together, you know,

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Speaker 1: The better became move more. Not to say moving more

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Speaker 1: is not a good thing. But this example, I think

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Speaker 1: perfectly encapsulates the Obama legacy, does it not. It seems

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Speaker 1: to always start with perhaps the best of intentions, promising

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Speaker 1: for some reason they just could not escape the temptation

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Speaker 1: of corporate grift, which ultimately doomed any real chance of

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Speaker 1: them actually challenging entrenched power. But the FDA, as a

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Speaker 1: lot of us already know, is in large part funded

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Speaker 1: by the biopharmaceutical industry. Fifty four percent three point three

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Speaker 1: billion comes from the federal government, but the other forty

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Speaker 1: six percent two point eight billion dollars come from user

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Speaker 1: that we have this thing about that incentive structure we

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Speaker 1: have in place. The FDA, who are supposed to advocate

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Speaker 1: on behalf of consumers, is itself in large part funded

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Speaker 1: predicated on the existence of sick patients. So wouldn't it

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Speaker 1: be great if one third, half two thirds of Americans

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Speaker 1: were quote unquote sick. CNBC analysts love Eli Lilly for

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Speaker 1: its potential block by obesity drug and we do too. Diabetes.

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Speaker 1: The US accounts for nearly half of global diabetes drug sales.

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Speaker 1: Could there be some sort of global conspiracy of food

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Speaker 1: and pharmaceutical executives and regulators and dark rooms devising ways

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Speaker 1: can say is there's so much money to be made here,

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Speaker 1: and in order to make this money, people must first

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Speaker 1: be sick, be obese, be diabetic, whatever the case is.

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Speaker 1: I do not think we can refute that there is

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Speaker 1: a certain economic benefit of normalizing something like obesity. Companies.

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Speaker 1: They aren't promoting body positivity because they desire a more

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Speaker 1: healthy society. They are doing it because it is very

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Speaker 1: financially lucrative to do so, so lots of momentum across

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Speaker 1: various industries and sectors, private and public to sit idly

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Speaker 1: by and watch all the fiber be quietly removed from

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Speaker 1: our diet. One final fact about fiber, just for a

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Speaker 1: point of comparison. According to Duke University's Global Health Institute,

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Speaker 1: in approximately one hundred grams of fiber per day, about

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Speaker 1: five times more than an American adult usually gets. But hey,

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Speaker 1: I think you should eat whatever you want to eat.

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Speaker 1: My point, my goal for today and for twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: what I think is really going on by following the

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Speaker 1: money in the food industry, in the regulatory environment, in

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Speaker 1: big pharma, wherever else, to empower you to make the

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Speaker 1: best decision for you. And that is all from me today.

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Speaker 1: I hope this segment was helpful in terms of connecting

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Speaker 1: the dots between something like the proliferation of low fiber

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Speaker 1: foods with the underlying desire of big food to maximize

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Speaker 1: profit at the expense of public health. If you did

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Speaker 1: find this helpful, I would encourage you to check out

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Speaker 1: my YouTube channel fifty one to forty nine with James Lee.

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Speaker 1: Tons of video on there breakdowns on many different topics

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Speaker 1: like this one. The link will be in the description below.

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Speaker 1: Of course, don't forget to subscribe to Breaking Points and

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for your time today and see

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Speaker 1: you in the next one. I'm Maximilian Alvarez. I'm the

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Speaker 1: editor in chief of the Real News Network and host

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Speaker 1: of the podcast Working People, and this is the Art

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Speaker 1: of class War on Breaking Points. I want to start

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Speaker 1: off this segment by wishing everyone out there a safe, RESTful,

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Speaker 1: and love filled holiday season. To borrow a phrase from

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Speaker 1: the great Kurt Vonnegut, I hope each and every one

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Speaker 1: of you is able to take some time back over

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Speaker 1: the holidays to be with the people and do the

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Speaker 1: things that make you brave and kind and healthy and happy.

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Speaker 1: I also want to give viewers and listeners a warning

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Speaker 1: up top that today's segment deals with the topics of bullying, harassment,

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Speaker 1: and even suicide. If you are unable to continue with

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Speaker 1: this segment, a completely understand. If you are able, however,

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Speaker 1: I want to ask you to help us spread the

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Speaker 1: word because this story is important and more people need

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Speaker 1: to know about it. A year and a half ago.

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Speaker 1: On my podcast Working People, we published an interview with

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Speaker 1: the family of Evan Seifried, which was, to this day,

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Speaker 1: the hardest interview that I've ever recorded. I spoke with

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Speaker 1: Evan's mother Linda, his father Ken, and his brother Eric

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Speaker 1: about his life, about the beautiful person and hard worker

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Speaker 1: that he was, and I spoke to them about the

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Speaker 1: tragic and unforgivable events that led to Evan's death. As

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Speaker 1: anyone who knew him can attest, Evan was a loving son,

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Speaker 1: brother and friend, and a dedicated worker for nineteen years

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Speaker 1: with a virtually spotless record. Evan worked at a local

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Speaker 1: Kroger grocery store in Milford, Ohio, where he eventually became

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Speaker 1: the dairy department manager. From October twenty twenty to March

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty one, however, Evan suffered a torturous litany of bullying, harassment,

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Speaker 1: and sabotage, according to a lawsuit filed against Kroger by

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Speaker 1: the Sifried family. As the lawsuit alleges it was this

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Speaker 1: treatment which was the result of a conspiracy involving numerous actors,

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Speaker 1: including management level supervisor Shannon Frazy and Joseph pigg at

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Speaker 1: the Milford store that caused Evan to eventually suffer a

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Speaker 1: transient episodic break and take his own life. For the

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Speaker 1: Sifried family, nothing can ever replace the loss of their son, Evan,

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Speaker 1: and as always, I want to send them my love

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Speaker 1: and solidarity, and I want to thank them for sharing

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Speaker 1: their story with me so openly and bravely, even though

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Speaker 1: it was incredibly hard and painful to do so. While

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Speaker 1: the Syfrieds fight to pick up the pieces, and while

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Speaker 1: their lawsuit again Kroger is moving through the courts very slowly,

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Speaker 1: a group of volunteers, family friends, and community members have

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Speaker 1: come together to honor Evan's life, to hold Kroger accountable

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Speaker 1: for his death, and to fight the scourge of workplace bullying,

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Speaker 1: which affects millions of workers around the US and beyond.

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Speaker 1: Through my podcast Working People, through my work at the

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Speaker 1: Real News, and even here on Breaking Points, I've done

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Speaker 1: my best to cover the story of Evan's tragic death

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Speaker 1: and to lift up the valiant struggle of the Cyhreeds

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Speaker 1: and the Justice for Evan Coalition to make sure that

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Speaker 1: Evan's name isn't forgotten and that no one has to

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Speaker 1: go through what Evan and his loved ones have had

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Speaker 1: to go through. And I'll be honest, it's been a

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Speaker 1: real struggle to get the story out there. But because

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Speaker 1: the Ciphreeds and their supporters have refused to give up,

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Speaker 1: because they have kept pushing over the U these two years,

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Speaker 1: that may be changing. While Kroger continues to say unforgivably silent,

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Speaker 1: asserting that it can't comment on ongoing litigation, a recent

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Speaker 1: cover article about Evan Seifreed for the Cincinnati Inquirer, which

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Speaker 1: was syndicated across the country, including for USA Today, has

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Speaker 1: given Evans family and the Justice for Evan Coalition a

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Speaker 1: renewed sense of hope that they will secure the justice

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Speaker 1: and accountability that they have been fighting so tirelessly for.

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Speaker 1: To talk about all of this, I'm honored to be

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Speaker 1: joined today by Janna Murphy and Erica Erskine, the two

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Speaker 1: founders and co organizers of the Justice for Evan Coalition. Jenna, Erica,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for joining us today on Breaking Points. Well,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much, Max for having us And we

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Speaker 1: just appreciate your listener so much tuning in today. Well,

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Speaker 1: it's a real honor to have you both on the call, and,

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Speaker 1: you know, just to sort of make sure that the

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Speaker 1: breaking points, viewers and listeners have all the essential information

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Speaker 1: from the jump, I wanted to build on my introduction

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Speaker 1: and ask if you guys could first tell folks a

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Speaker 1: the Justice for Evan fight, and if you could, you know,

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Speaker 1: help walk us through the events that led to Evan's

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Speaker 1: death and the long fight to hold Kroger, Shannon Frazy,

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Speaker 1: and Joseph Pigg accountable. So, Jana, why don't we start

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Speaker 1: with you Max. Back in the winter of twenty twenty one,

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Speaker 1: the Syphre's were living a normal life here in Cincinnati, Ohio.

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Speaker 1: Eric Seyfried is a close friend of mine and I

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Speaker 1: am a close friend of the Cipher family. On the

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Speaker 1: night of March the ninth, after Eric and I had

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Speaker 1: spoken briefly on the phone and everything was completely normal,

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Speaker 1: and I woke up the next day too many messages

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Speaker 1: from my friend as he was on his way from Portland, Oregon,

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Speaker 1: to be with his mother and father after his little brother,

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Speaker 1: Evan Sifried, had taken his life. I'll jump to what

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Speaker 1: family found out in the days following from Evan's coworkers

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Speaker 1: at the Milfred Kroeger family was contacted by Evan's friends

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Speaker 1: at Kroger, and so we have to tell you that

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Speaker 1: Evan was murdered and they told him Ken Sifried and

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Speaker 1: Evan Sifried about the relentless, fierce, horrible, unbelievable. It's un

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Speaker 1: believable what Shannon Frasey and Joseph Pigg the campaign that

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Speaker 1: they started against Evan. Evan was a diligent, loyal, nineteen

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Speaker 1: year Kroger employee. He was the dairy manager at the

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Speaker 1: Milfrom Kroger, he had an impeccable record, and that record

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Speaker 1: stayed completely impeccable, not only on paper, but also with

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Speaker 1: Evan's loyalty to Kroger. And when Shannon Phrasy became his

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Speaker 1: manager at that Kroger, everything went to hell literally, And

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Speaker 1: your listeners and yours can see the entire thirty one

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Speaker 1: page lawsuit on scripts dot com. And he highly encouraged

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Speaker 1: all the details and running I'm trying to narrate it

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Speaker 1: as much as possible. Months after this bullying campaign started

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Speaker 1: with Shannon some female employees. Evan was a whistleblower, and

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Speaker 1: female employees knew that PEO could help them when they

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Speaker 1: had been sexually harassed by Joseph think they had reported

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Speaker 1: that it was done. They came to Evan as a

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Speaker 1: leader and asked for his help. He helped them file

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Speaker 1: reports and Joseph Pig them verbally in person, threatened Evan

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Speaker 1: that his information would be given out because Joseph Pig

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Speaker 1: indeed wastingent out and he was sent messages to his

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Speaker 1: This is a man with no prior history of illness,

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Speaker 1: and and he and he went to his parents' home

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Speaker 1: after he took his life in his childhood room and

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Speaker 1: Kenzie found him. And and then in the days following,

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Speaker 1: when the Kroger employees came out and told the family

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Jennifer walking us through that, and

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Speaker 1: again for viewers and listeners, you can go check out

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Speaker 1: the previous reporting that I've done, including more extended interviews

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Speaker 1: with Janna with the cifreeds with Erica, where we give

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Speaker 1: a lot more of that essential background to the campaign

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Speaker 1: of terror that Evan's managers waged on him for months,

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Speaker 1: isolating him, bullying him, sabotaging him. According to the lawsuit

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Speaker 1: filed by the family, which, as Janna mentioned, you can

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Speaker 1: just fair warning, it's horrifying stuff. You know. Again, Evan

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Speaker 1: worked at this Milford, Ohio Kroger for nearly twenty years,

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Speaker 1: then when he got this new manager, you know, his

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Speaker 1: life became a living hell. And he, you know, according

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Speaker 1: to the lawsuit, was bullied and harassed and targeted viciously.

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Speaker 1: Even while Evan was standing up for his co workers

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00:51:59,239 --> 00:52:03,320
Speaker 1: who were filing sexual harassment complaints. You know, Evan himself

855
00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:07,120
Speaker 1: was getting you know, bullied and harassed by management. He

856
00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:09,080
Speaker 1: was not getting the help that he needed from his

857
00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:13,800
Speaker 1: union or from Kroger h R. And so again you

858
00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:17,080
Speaker 1: can go check out all the details there, and Erica,

859
00:52:17,160 --> 00:52:19,200
Speaker 1: I wanted to bring you in as well and ask

860
00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:22,000
Speaker 1: if you could sort of talk about how you got

861
00:52:22,040 --> 00:52:25,800
Speaker 1: involved in this campaign. And I guess what happened with

862
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:30,279
Speaker 1: the campaign after you know, the Cyphrieds learned about what

863
00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:33,919
Speaker 1: their son had gone through before he took his own life,

864
00:52:35,080 --> 00:52:38,400
Speaker 1: and you know, filed the lawsuit with Kroger. What happened

865
00:52:38,640 --> 00:52:41,360
Speaker 1: then as far as you and Jana and Justice for

866
00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:46,720
Speaker 1: Evan is concerned, well, our paths crossed Jane and myself

867
00:52:47,360 --> 00:52:50,920
Speaker 1: after I read the very first article that really came

868
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:53,680
Speaker 1: out I think it was by the Washington Post back

869
00:52:53,719 --> 00:52:57,560
Speaker 1: in July twenty twenty one, after the Zippers had filed

870
00:52:57,640 --> 00:53:02,239
Speaker 1: the lawsuit against Kroger. So that's how I came to

871
00:53:03,120 --> 00:53:07,359
Speaker 1: be a part of Justice for Evan, and myself being

872
00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:13,320
Speaker 1: a employee of Kroger for over twenty years, it just

873
00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:20,800
Speaker 1: struck a nerve with me and I something just was

874
00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:23,239
Speaker 1: telling me, like, you got to help these people, and

875
00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:26,799
Speaker 1: because it's not just helping the family, but it's really

876
00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:33,000
Speaker 1: helping the Kroger workers across the country overall in dealing

877
00:53:33,120 --> 00:53:39,200
Speaker 1: with this nonsense of mistreatment, bullying, and organizational mobbying that

878
00:53:40,160 --> 00:53:46,279
Speaker 1: is running rampant through this company. So yeah, I mean

879
00:53:46,320 --> 00:53:48,840
Speaker 1: it's just say I had some skill sets that I

880
00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:54,239
Speaker 1: felt would be very, very useful, and that's how I

881
00:53:54,560 --> 00:53:57,760
Speaker 1: came to be one of the co founders of Justice

882
00:53:57,800 --> 00:54:02,520
Speaker 1: for Evan. And I mean, since then, the you know,

883
00:54:02,640 --> 00:54:07,040
Speaker 1: the online campaign to build you know, the Justice for

884
00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:10,400
Speaker 1: Evan Facebook page, and you know that has grown by

885
00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:13,760
Speaker 1: leaps and bounds. I know that there have been demonstrations,

886
00:54:14,480 --> 00:54:18,640
Speaker 1: you know, in cities around the country, while the Cifried's

887
00:54:18,719 --> 00:54:23,239
Speaker 1: lawsuit against Kroger is slowly moving through the courts. And

888
00:54:23,560 --> 00:54:26,720
Speaker 1: I just sort of wanted to ask, in the midst

889
00:54:26,760 --> 00:54:30,160
Speaker 1: of all of that, how are the Cyphrieds doing. How

890
00:54:30,239 --> 00:54:33,759
Speaker 1: are you all, both and and the other members of

891
00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:36,520
Speaker 1: the Justice for Evan coalition holding up throughout all of this?

892
00:54:37,360 --> 00:54:40,600
Speaker 1: And you know, as as you mentioned Erica, like you know,

893
00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:44,040
Speaker 1: the Washington Post did cover this initially, and you know,

894
00:54:44,080 --> 00:54:45,960
Speaker 1: there have been a couple of stories here and there,

895
00:54:46,080 --> 00:54:49,240
Speaker 1: but by and large, it's been you know, working people.

896
00:54:49,360 --> 00:54:52,880
Speaker 1: It's been great shows like the Retail Warzone, you know,

897
00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:55,400
Speaker 1: that have have helped kind of keep this story alive.

898
00:54:56,480 --> 00:54:59,000
Speaker 1: But then we got sort of a blockbuster moment. This

899
00:54:59,120 --> 00:55:04,000
Speaker 1: past month, the Cincinnati Inquirer did a front page story

900
00:55:04,160 --> 00:55:09,080
Speaker 1: on Evan's case and that was nationally syndicated. So what

901
00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:12,600
Speaker 1: has that meant for you all the Cyphrieds and the

902
00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:17,080
Speaker 1: justin Justice for Evan coalitions? So how are folks holding up?

903
00:55:17,360 --> 00:55:19,719
Speaker 1: And what does the publication of this new story by

904
00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:22,799
Speaker 1: the Inquirer mean for the fight for justice for Evan?

905
00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:26,960
Speaker 1: Thank you? Max also want to go back briefly and

906
00:55:27,080 --> 00:55:30,280
Speaker 1: mentioned that Evan did go through all the proper channels

907
00:55:30,480 --> 00:55:33,640
Speaker 1: when he reported, and he was completely ignored by the

908
00:55:33,840 --> 00:55:37,719
Speaker 1: entire organization of Kroger, And I really want to reiterate

909
00:55:37,840 --> 00:55:41,680
Speaker 1: that to listeners. Evan Seifried did exactly what he was

910
00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:47,320
Speaker 1: supposed to do. He always did, highly ethical, beautiful community

911
00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:55,960
Speaker 1: and he was put under people who were his superiors,

912
00:55:56,160 --> 00:56:00,440
Speaker 1: were not any of the caliber neror of a person

913
00:56:00,840 --> 00:56:03,960
Speaker 1: that he was, nor any of the sciphered them all

914
00:56:04,440 --> 00:56:09,440
Speaker 1: and the Cipher family, Eric Ken and Linda are suffering.

915
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:14,480
Speaker 1: Evan was a tremendous loss, not only to the world,

916
00:56:15,560 --> 00:56:23,880
Speaker 1: to this small, beautiful, wonderful family. They're just the nicest people,

917
00:56:24,520 --> 00:56:34,080
Speaker 1: and any anybody who could possibly judge what happened to

918
00:56:34,480 --> 00:56:42,880
Speaker 1: Evan by saying anything negative ever about him, then I

919
00:56:43,080 --> 00:56:48,359
Speaker 1: really want to encourage listeners to stand up to those

920
00:56:48,440 --> 00:56:53,840
Speaker 1: people and say read delossity. You know, look at what

921
00:56:54,520 --> 00:57:00,160
Speaker 1: this this, look at what really truly happened. And the

922
00:57:00,280 --> 00:57:05,319
Speaker 1: Ciphereds are suffering. I mean they Kroger has not said

923
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:11,880
Speaker 1: boo to the Ciphered family. I mean this is this

924
00:57:12,080 --> 00:57:17,640
Speaker 1: is unjust punishment to a family by the largest corporation

925
00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:21,440
Speaker 1: in the Tri state area that they loved and supported

926
00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:25,120
Speaker 1: for many many years, and that their son dedicated his

927
00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:32,600
Speaker 1: work life too. And this corporation doesn't have enough heart

928
00:57:33,000 --> 00:57:35,840
Speaker 1: in it to even say one thing to the family,

929
00:57:36,120 --> 00:57:39,200
Speaker 1: not even to say we know that we're going through litigation.

930
00:57:40,040 --> 00:57:44,120
Speaker 1: But it was a like we are sorry and we

931
00:57:44,320 --> 00:57:46,600
Speaker 1: know that we know we need to change. I mean,

932
00:57:46,760 --> 00:57:50,480
Speaker 1: they know this happened, we know this happened, and they

933
00:57:50,520 --> 00:57:53,200
Speaker 1: don't have the courage to even come to the family.

934
00:57:54,160 --> 00:57:58,560
Speaker 1: This family's been waiting since the summer of twenty twenty

935
00:57:58,680 --> 00:58:03,520
Speaker 1: one to hear there is something from Kroger, to hear anything,

936
00:58:04,040 --> 00:58:08,600
Speaker 1: and there's been nothing. This family is suffering. You know,

937
00:58:09,000 --> 00:58:13,560
Speaker 1: this is another Christmas, another Thanksgiving. That's when Ken and

938
00:58:13,680 --> 00:58:18,160
Speaker 1: Linda are out in Oregon with They're a very close family.

939
00:58:18,560 --> 00:58:22,720
Speaker 1: They're getting ready to celebrate another Christmas without heaven. Amy,

940
00:58:22,880 --> 00:58:26,360
Speaker 1: Evan's girlfriend is here in Cincinnati, getting ready to celebrate

941
00:58:26,480 --> 00:58:30,200
Speaker 1: another Christmas without Evan. There's I mean, I use the

942
00:58:30,240 --> 00:58:34,760
Speaker 1: word celebrate extremely loosely. They're greeting. All these people are

943
00:58:34,840 --> 00:58:38,560
Speaker 1: dreaming and the fact that the Cincinnati inquired and an

944
00:58:38,600 --> 00:58:41,720
Speaker 1: amazing journalist named to Pax, who has spent so much

945
00:58:41,880 --> 00:58:47,720
Speaker 1: time creating this beautiful, amazing article and peace and the

946
00:58:47,840 --> 00:58:51,560
Speaker 1: research that that good human being did and the ethical

947
00:58:51,640 --> 00:58:57,120
Speaker 1: standard that the Cincinnati Inquirer has shown is impeccable. It's

948
00:58:57,360 --> 00:59:00,880
Speaker 1: amazing and and it would be so happy with the

949
00:59:00,960 --> 00:59:03,960
Speaker 1: people that we have encountered through this entire journey since

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00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:06,400
Speaker 1: we started Justice for Evan. And I encourage our listeners

951
00:59:06,640 --> 00:59:08,800
Speaker 1: to get on the Justice for Evan Facebook page and

952
00:59:08,880 --> 00:59:11,440
Speaker 1: look at the link tree that Erica has created and

953
00:59:11,520 --> 00:59:14,400
Speaker 1: they can see all of the events set Justice for

954
00:59:14,520 --> 00:59:17,120
Speaker 1: Evan and all of our supporters and all of the

955
00:59:17,200 --> 00:59:19,840
Speaker 1: help from all of the good people, including you, Max

956
00:59:19,840 --> 00:59:22,240
Speaker 1: and your amazing team. All the people have done podcasts

957
00:59:22,280 --> 00:59:24,800
Speaker 1: with us, all the people had come out for the protests,

958
00:59:24,920 --> 00:59:27,720
Speaker 1: all the people who helped us get through the national

959
00:59:28,720 --> 00:59:32,439
Speaker 1: protests March night and through the shareholder meeting last June,

960
00:59:32,680 --> 00:59:37,000
Speaker 1: which was a monumental event because Ronnie mcwollan actually read

961
00:59:37,080 --> 00:59:39,240
Speaker 1: a prepared statement. He knew that he was going to

962
00:59:39,280 --> 00:59:41,680
Speaker 1: be forced to do that, he did it. That was

963
00:59:41,800 --> 00:59:47,000
Speaker 1: huge for the failing And then when the Cincinnati Inquired

964
00:59:47,160 --> 00:59:51,920
Speaker 1: article came out two weeks ago. How that came out

965
00:59:52,000 --> 00:59:57,480
Speaker 1: first was Ken Seifery did a long interview with the

966
00:59:57,560 --> 01:00:00,680
Speaker 1: Cincinnati Inquire and I get very emotional because I know

967
01:00:00,760 --> 01:00:02,720
Speaker 1: them behind the scenes and how hard that that was

968
01:00:02,800 --> 01:00:05,040
Speaker 1: for him, and how important that it was for him

969
01:00:05,320 --> 01:00:08,120
Speaker 1: not only to tell the chrismal story about what and

970
01:00:08,240 --> 01:00:11,160
Speaker 1: Canada Linda went through that night and what they happened

971
01:00:11,280 --> 01:00:17,080
Speaker 1: going through, but also to how important that it is

972
01:00:17,120 --> 01:00:20,720
Speaker 1: for people to know what's going on at Kroger and

973
01:00:20,840 --> 01:00:23,360
Speaker 1: these corporate order workers they don't know what's going on

974
01:00:23,480 --> 01:00:28,040
Speaker 1: at Kroger. They have no clue what's happening at the stores.

975
01:00:28,880 --> 01:00:32,760
Speaker 1: And it is our mission to get that out there

976
01:00:32,840 --> 01:00:35,120
Speaker 1: to the public. What's going on in the stores. This

977
01:00:35,280 --> 01:00:38,240
Speaker 1: can never happen to another employee. Again, it's not going

978
01:00:38,320 --> 01:00:39,880
Speaker 1: to happen on my watch, and it's not going to

979
01:00:39,920 --> 01:00:42,760
Speaker 1: happen on Erica's watch. And by God, we're going to

980
01:00:42,800 --> 01:00:47,160
Speaker 1: make sure that these employees are protected at Kroger. And

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01:00:48,160 --> 01:00:53,200
Speaker 1: there are many good people at Kroger, many many and

982
01:00:53,360 --> 01:00:55,520
Speaker 1: many good people who work on the floor. Eric dorks

983
01:00:55,520 --> 01:00:57,760
Speaker 1: at Kroger, Amy works at Roger. I know lots of

984
01:00:57,800 --> 01:01:00,520
Speaker 1: great people who work at Kroger. But the people who

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01:01:00,600 --> 01:01:03,720
Speaker 1: are at the top at Kroger, it has been shown

986
01:01:03,760 --> 01:01:06,120
Speaker 1: to us, they really don't give a crap about what's

987
01:01:06,200 --> 01:01:09,080
Speaker 1: happening with the people on the floors. They don't give

988
01:01:09,280 --> 01:01:12,800
Speaker 1: a crap. And we know that those corporate workers, they

989
01:01:12,880 --> 01:01:16,160
Speaker 1: don't even know that the employees weren't even getting paychecks.

990
01:01:16,360 --> 01:01:18,000
Speaker 1: And I would really like to come back and do

991
01:01:18,080 --> 01:01:21,920
Speaker 1: another podcast at EMAX for Rapids to do a lot

992
01:01:22,000 --> 01:01:26,960
Speaker 1: more education to your listeners on like that about the

993
01:01:27,320 --> 01:01:30,200
Speaker 1: paycheck issue and so many other issues that are going

994
01:01:30,280 --> 01:01:33,680
Speaker 1: on at Kroger, so that we can just continue to

995
01:01:34,400 --> 01:01:37,800
Speaker 1: broaden our microphone, get our microphone louder, and so that

996
01:01:38,440 --> 01:01:42,320
Speaker 1: because to to how we are doing it justice for Evan,

997
01:01:42,680 --> 01:01:47,160
Speaker 1: we are getting angrier as more time goes on. We

998
01:01:47,240 --> 01:01:50,560
Speaker 1: are not getting tired. And that's what And we've told

999
01:01:50,680 --> 01:01:53,280
Speaker 1: Koger this since the very beginning. If you think we're

1000
01:01:53,360 --> 01:01:56,320
Speaker 1: going away, do you see us going away? We were

1001
01:01:56,440 --> 01:01:59,880
Speaker 1: front page on the USA Today at three pm on

1002
01:02:00,240 --> 01:02:03,680
Speaker 1: Friday when that article came out as the lead story

1003
01:02:04,200 --> 01:02:08,920
Speaker 1: on USA Today with Evan's face looking down at his

1004
01:02:09,160 --> 01:02:13,360
Speaker 1: mother's cat, you know that beautiful face. At three pm,

1005
01:02:13,520 --> 01:02:17,080
Speaker 1: over seven thousand Americans we're reading that story. At the

1006
01:02:17,160 --> 01:02:21,680
Speaker 1: same time, after midnight that night, still over three hundred

1007
01:02:21,800 --> 01:02:25,160
Speaker 1: Americans were still reading that story. And then it came

1008
01:02:25,240 --> 01:02:28,840
Speaker 1: out on the front page of the Sunday Cincinnati Enquirer

1009
01:02:29,200 --> 01:02:33,200
Speaker 1: and the Kentucky Inquirer of Evan's girlfriend Amy crying on

1010
01:02:33,280 --> 01:02:35,440
Speaker 1: the front page, and you open it up and there

1011
01:02:35,560 --> 01:02:39,000
Speaker 1: is the biggest article ever and the Inquirer the full

1012
01:02:39,240 --> 01:02:43,120
Speaker 1: two page centerfold pictures of Evan and that and an

1013
01:02:43,280 --> 01:02:47,720
Speaker 1: incredible piece that Alex Coolers did. So we're not getting tired.

1014
01:02:47,880 --> 01:02:51,080
Speaker 1: Our fight is just starting. We're never going away. We

1015
01:02:51,440 --> 01:02:56,280
Speaker 1: are anxiously awaiting the day that Kroger is going to

1016
01:02:56,480 --> 01:03:00,960
Speaker 1: sit down at the table and admit this. And when

1017
01:03:01,000 --> 01:03:04,480
Speaker 1: they look at Ken Sipher, at their siphery and say

1018
01:03:05,640 --> 01:03:08,120
Speaker 1: we know we were accountable for Evan's death, and that's

1019
01:03:08,160 --> 01:03:15,160
Speaker 1: the only reason why he died. There's a victory. Well,

1020
01:03:15,480 --> 01:03:18,760
Speaker 1: and Erica, I guess by by way of closing us out,

1021
01:03:18,840 --> 01:03:21,440
Speaker 1: I think you know, Jenna, you know, did a brilliant

1022
01:03:21,520 --> 01:03:24,800
Speaker 1: job kind of laying out the importance of the publication

1023
01:03:24,920 --> 01:03:27,800
Speaker 1: of that piece. As you mentioned, Jenna, folks can go

1024
01:03:28,040 --> 01:03:31,280
Speaker 1: to the Justice for Evan Facebook page if they want

1025
01:03:31,320 --> 01:03:33,640
Speaker 1: to keep up to date with this, see how the

1026
01:03:33,680 --> 01:03:37,840
Speaker 1: movement's growing, get updates on future demonstrations that are going

1027
01:03:37,920 --> 01:03:40,920
Speaker 1: to be held. You can also find them on Twitter.

1028
01:03:41,880 --> 01:03:45,000
Speaker 1: And and Erica, I know that as as you mentioned,

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01:03:45,040 --> 01:03:47,920
Speaker 1: you know some as someone who is an employee of

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01:03:48,120 --> 01:03:51,720
Speaker 1: the Kroger Corporation, which extends in so into so many

1031
01:03:51,800 --> 01:03:55,000
Speaker 1: different areas. Right because Kroger's bought up like basically every

1032
01:03:55,120 --> 01:03:58,680
Speaker 1: other grocery store chain in this country, like King Soupers

1033
01:03:58,720 --> 01:04:02,160
Speaker 1: where workers were going on strike in Colorado earlier this year.

1034
01:04:02,680 --> 01:04:05,160
Speaker 1: I know that that's been a big part of this

1035
01:04:05,400 --> 01:04:09,480
Speaker 1: campaign's evolution as well, right, like connecting what Evan went

1036
01:04:09,600 --> 01:04:13,800
Speaker 1: through at the hands of Kroger management and everyone down

1037
01:04:13,880 --> 01:04:16,440
Speaker 1: the line from Kroger HR to all the way to

1038
01:04:16,440 --> 01:04:20,080
Speaker 1: the CEO Rodney McMullen. Everyone failed, Evan, and you guys

1039
01:04:20,080 --> 01:04:22,520
Speaker 1: are doing important work to sort of connect that to

1040
01:04:23,200 --> 01:04:26,880
Speaker 1: be ongoing struggle struggles of Kroger employees around the country.

1041
01:04:27,520 --> 01:04:29,000
Speaker 1: So I wanted to just ask if you could say

1042
01:04:29,000 --> 01:04:32,200
Speaker 1: a little bit about that by and what folks can

1043
01:04:32,280 --> 01:04:34,880
Speaker 1: do to get involved in that effort by way of

1044
01:04:34,960 --> 01:04:39,520
Speaker 1: closing us out. Yeah, I kind of kind of feel

1045
01:04:39,600 --> 01:04:44,880
Speaker 1: that we're, you know, more in the loop than you

1046
01:04:44,960 --> 01:04:48,800
Speaker 1: know Kroger Corporate and HR is half the time, because

1047
01:04:49,080 --> 01:04:51,400
Speaker 1: you know, it seems like they really do not have

1048
01:04:51,600 --> 01:04:55,120
Speaker 1: clue what goes on on a daily basis at the

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01:04:55,640 --> 01:04:59,240
Speaker 1: store level. That's where all the quote magic happens, as

1050
01:04:59,280 --> 01:05:02,479
Speaker 1: we say, and they just they just don't have a clue.

1051
01:05:02,520 --> 01:05:06,560
Speaker 1: It's that they're just so detached from reality. And it's

1052
01:05:06,840 --> 01:05:09,600
Speaker 1: seemingly more so as like the years go on, and

1053
01:05:09,760 --> 01:05:13,800
Speaker 1: especially lately and you know, you mentioned the UH uh

1054
01:05:14,720 --> 01:05:17,880
Speaker 1: by buying up stores with you know, the recent merger

1055
01:05:19,080 --> 01:05:22,960
Speaker 1: with UH proposal with with Albertson's, and you know, with

1056
01:05:23,240 --> 01:05:27,480
Speaker 1: with the way things have been at Kroger for a while,

1057
01:05:27,640 --> 01:05:32,560
Speaker 1: but especially since the onset of the pandemic, they don't

1058
01:05:32,600 --> 01:05:38,800
Speaker 1: have any business acquiring any more stores, uh, and thousands

1059
01:05:39,160 --> 01:05:42,920
Speaker 1: more employees whose lives they could potentially ruin if they

1060
01:05:42,920 --> 01:05:48,040
Speaker 1: don't get this stuff and check. So yeah, I do

1061
01:05:48,200 --> 01:05:51,240
Speaker 1: feel that, you know, we're not like me personally. I

1062
01:05:51,320 --> 01:05:54,240
Speaker 1: don't feel like I'm only doing my job, my full

1063
01:05:54,280 --> 01:06:00,480
Speaker 1: time job plus theirs, and really all at takes is

1064
01:06:00,560 --> 01:06:02,640
Speaker 1: they just need to open their eyes and their ears

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Speaker 1: and realize that there's there's some things, there's a lot

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Speaker 1: of things that need to be fixed, and we are

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Speaker 1: more than willing to. We're at the table, We've been

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Speaker 1: sitting at the table, and the only way to create

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Speaker 1: this change is to literally directly sit across from the

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Speaker 1: table with people like Roddy McMullen and you know, some

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Speaker 1: of the key the key players in the head office.

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Speaker 1: But moving forward, we are our current projects is our

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Speaker 1: Billboard campaign that we're currently crowdfunding for to continue to

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Speaker 1: raise public awareness, and this time we're literally going to

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Speaker 1: raise public awareness right in downtown Cincinnati, right in Kroger's face. Literally.

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Speaker 1: So it's just an extension of Alex Coolidge's article in

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Speaker 1: The Inquirer, which has had us busy responding to messages.

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Speaker 1: We've gotten emails with even more people employees, in particular

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Speaker 1: coming out of the woodwork and saying, yeah, you know,

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Speaker 1: I experienced similar things. I'm so sorry for, you know,

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Speaker 1: the Ciphered's loss. If anything I can do to help,

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Speaker 1: just please let me know. So we you know, we're

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Speaker 1: growing in numbers and it's not gonna stop. So it's

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Speaker 1: Kroger just needs to surrender basically and just start start

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Speaker 1: listening to their their employees because, as Jenna has reiterated

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Speaker 1: many times, we're not going away, and we're not tired,

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Speaker 1: and we'll do this until well till the end of

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Speaker 1: time basically, so and I you know, it just this

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Speaker 1: work never gets easier, but it does bring a to

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Speaker 1: me a sense of reward knowing that I'm helping so

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Speaker 1: many fellow co workers across the country who have had

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Speaker 1: nowhere to turn who have gone through the proper channels

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Speaker 1: like Evan did, have been turned away, have been ignored,

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Speaker 1: most of either quit or been terminated, and that can't

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Speaker 1: continue to happen. You know, people need paychecks, people have

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Speaker 1: to live, people have to eat, and it's very ironic

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Speaker 1: that you know, in the grocery business, a lot of

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Speaker 1: employees can even afford to eat because they don't even

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Speaker 1: make a living wage. So there's there's a lot of

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Speaker 1: things wrong with Kroger that needs to be fixed. But

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Speaker 1: I do believe they have it in them. I really

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Speaker 1: do they have it in them. There are a lot

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Speaker 1: of good people within the Kroger enterprise. There's a lot

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Speaker 1: of good people, and those people need to start coming

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Speaker 1: out of the woodwork also well. And you know, I

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Speaker 1: can't thank you and Jenna for being two of those

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Speaker 1: good people fighting as hard as you have for the

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Speaker 1: Cyphrieds and four Kroger workers everywhere. It's really an honor

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Speaker 1: to be in this struggle with both of you. And

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Speaker 1: I just wanted to underline something that both Erica and

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Speaker 1: Jana said for viewers and listeners. When I interviewed Ken,

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Speaker 1: you know, Evan's father, Linda Evans's mother, and Eric Evans's

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Speaker 1: brother on that first episode of Working People, they explicitly

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Speaker 1: pointed to Kroger's corporate policy as you know, the reason

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Speaker 1: for their son's death. They said that once that Evan

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Speaker 1: himself even told them that once Rodney McMullen took over

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Speaker 1: as CEO, things changed at Kroger. It was all about

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Speaker 1: the bottom line relationships with management really changed. It was

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Speaker 1: about how much you could increase store sales at the

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Speaker 1: cost of everything else. Ken you know, Cifried told me

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Speaker 1: point blank it is because of this sort of relentless

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Speaker 1: corporate policy that my son did not get the help

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Speaker 1: that he was at asking for, that corporate didn't care

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Speaker 1: about the treatment, and that he was receiving the complaints

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Speaker 1: that they were hearing about that treatment because the store

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Speaker 1: sales were up. So the family is directly is drawing

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Speaker 1: a direct line between kind of Kroger's corporate policy and

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Speaker 1: the hell that workers like Evan are having to endure

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Speaker 1: at locations across the country. And so again I can't

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Speaker 1: think you both enough for being part of this struggle

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Speaker 1: and doing everything that you can to fight to hold

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Speaker 1: Kroger accountable and to make sure that workers like Evan

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Speaker 1: never have to endure this kind of thing again. So

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Speaker 1: for Breaking Points, this is Maximilian Alvarez signing off and

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Speaker 1: Janna Murphy Erica Erskine to founders and co organizers of

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Speaker 1: the Justice for Evan Coalition, thank you so much for

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Speaker 1: joining us today on Breaking Points. Thank you for watching

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Speaker 1: this segment with Breaking Points, and be sure to subscribe

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