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Speaker 2: is that woo woom?

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Speaker 1: And then and Tye, welcome back to the solid verbal

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Speaker 1: boys and girls. My name is ty Hildebrand, joining me

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Speaker 1: way over there somewhere out yonder the one and only

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Speaker 1: the man with the plan maybe Dan Rubenstein, Sir, how

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Speaker 1: you doing?

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Speaker 2: I have no plans now. I'm doing pretty good and

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Speaker 2: I'm still where I was last time, which is also

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Speaker 2: great news. I'm I'm pretty good, Tye, I am no

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Speaker 2: more clear on what the hell is going on in

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Speaker 2: There are new and different things to talk about and

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Speaker 2: figure out. So there's that. And then ty I have

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Speaker 2: a plan to end this show with a non bummer

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Speaker 1: So look forward to that pivot to the non bummer content,

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Speaker 1: if I understood that correctly. Yeah, twenty twenty as a

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Speaker 1: on a high note. Hi, I'm Ty, he's Dan. This

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Speaker 1: find our fine show. Normally it's a college football show.

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Speaker 1: And I don't mean to imply otherwise that today we're

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Speaker 1: But uh, college football. I think hanging on by a thread.

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Speaker 1: Ten Conference. Chancellor Ronnie Green and President Ted Carter said

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Speaker 1: in a statement, quote, it is an unparalleled athletic and

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Speaker 1: academic alliance. So there you go. You don't have to

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Speaker 1: be happy about it. I do think it's probably the

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Speaker 1: right move financially for Nebraska, for as hard as it

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Speaker 1: is to say that amid all the pandemic stuff and

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Speaker 1: what they probably stand to lose as both an institution

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Speaker 1: and a town without playing football this fall. But Big

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Speaker 1: Ten is still in the best spot among conferences as

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Speaker 1: it relates TV contracts and money coming in mm HM.

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Speaker 1: We call it the richest conference for a reason. So

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Speaker 1: Nebraska apparently backing down from its previous stance.

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Speaker 2: I kind of get it from Nebraska's standpoint, the stuff

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Speaker 2: you mentioned earlier about to know, we're doing everything by

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Speaker 2: the book. We're getting players right, and we believe in

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Speaker 2: the safety of not just our school and our athletic

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Speaker 2: department and our team, but those of the other schools

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Speaker 2: in the Big Ten, the other athletic departments, and we

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Speaker 2: have put ourselves in the safest possible position. I get

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Speaker 2: where they're coming from, but you start looking at what

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Speaker 2: the ledger looks like with and without the Big Ten,

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Speaker 2: Suddenly perhaps you're not You're not meant to go on

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Speaker 2: tender and see all those swipes from other conferences because

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Speaker 2: I don't know if those swipes were coming in in

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Speaker 2: the same way that the Big ten is bringing in

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Speaker 2: that cash. So it's true, it's interesting, it's fascinating, and

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Speaker 2: it's understandable.

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Speaker 1: It's totally understandable. I get it. I think Nebraska gets

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Speaker 1: it too. You may recall in the very early days

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Speaker 1: of the pandemic Nebraska, the state of Nebraska was where

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Speaker 1: some of the early patients went to recover from their coronavirus.

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Speaker 1: So this is something that I think hits pretty close

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Speaker 1: to home for them, and I understand the frustration. I

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Speaker 1: kind of expected that they would backtrack a little bit here.

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Speaker 1: It does make long term financial sense for them to

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Speaker 1: stay in the Big ten. But from a Scott Frost perspective,

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Speaker 1: if you're a guy like an Adrian Martinez, like, hey man,

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Speaker 1: what do you want from us? Right? What do you want?

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Speaker 1: We're doing everything we can here and you know, I

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Speaker 1: think they're the most part. They've been doing a pretty

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Speaker 1: good job.

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Speaker 2: I think there's also a degree of reputational optic fan

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Speaker 2: service to this. A lot of this is performative, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I mean everything's performative, but just in terms of where

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Speaker 2: the Nebraska program is, where Scott Frost is compared to

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Speaker 2: where he was. You know, I don't know how much

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Speaker 2: realistic optimism there is in you know, Nebraska fan circles

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Speaker 2: after these past couple seasons and not seeing anything altogether

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Speaker 2: too different. So this is a win in terms of

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Speaker 2: team and program pride, saying Nebraska football is ready to play.

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Speaker 2: We're ready to explore our options. This is big Red,

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Speaker 2: We're doing everything. Let's play football. I think there is

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Speaker 2: some fan service to that. Yeah, I think there is,

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Speaker 2: But that's okay. This is college football. Everything is silly.

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Speaker 1: So staying in the Big Ten then this is finally

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Speaker 1: something that I think we could sink our teeth into.

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Speaker 1: Amid all of this talk about moving to Spring. There

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Speaker 1: are many skeptical folks out there. I think Dan, you're

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Speaker 1: included in that category.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I want to first offer just a bit of personal

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Speaker 1: reaction to this, because you know, I thought a lot

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Speaker 1: about it. I went through the last podcast to edit in,

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Speaker 1: and I just I want to make it clear. I'm

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Speaker 1: not like rooting for a spring season. You know, I'm

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Speaker 1: not rooting for the cancelation of football. I'm not rooting

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Speaker 1: for any of this. We have a vested interest in

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Speaker 1: doing this show.

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Speaker 2: You mean you're not rooting for a spring season as

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Speaker 2: opposed to a fall season as well, Right, No, I'm

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Speaker 2: not rooting.

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Speaker 1: For some deviation from the norm r. All I'm trying

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Speaker 1: to do here is read leaves. You know, we get

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Speaker 1: a ton of people who write in and tell us

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Speaker 1: what's going on. You know, I'm not even talking about

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Speaker 1: inside sources, but I'm talking about verballers out there reporting

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Speaker 1: what it's like on the ground in some of these

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Speaker 1: colleges and institutions. And it just seems like there's a

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Speaker 1: lot of momentum towards a cancelation and towards some sort

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Speaker 1: of last resort spring season. But we have a vested

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Speaker 1: interest here, Dan and I would prefer it stay in

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Speaker 1: the fall. I just think that this whole spring football

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Speaker 1: idea is going to pick up steam, and so with

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Speaker 1: some Jeff Bram I've already seeing some stuff, specifically with

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Speaker 1: regard to Penn State. I sent it to you earlier.

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Speaker 1: Some folks talking in an article like, you know, we

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Speaker 1: don't really like it as a long term solution, but

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Speaker 1: as a one off it could be kind of neat. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it could be kind of neat. I don't know. Jeff

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Speaker 1: Brohm is the only one that I have seen so far,

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Speaker 1: outside of like the sports media world, who has actually

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Speaker 1: put pen to paper and tried to come up with

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Speaker 1: what a plan for spring football might look like. I

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Speaker 1: quote from this article on ESPN. Brom's proposal outlines an

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Speaker 1: eight game season beginning February twenty seventh and finishing April seventeenth,

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Speaker 1: with postseason play wrapping up by May the fifteenth. He

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Speaker 1: also outlines a slightly truncated fall twenty twenty one schedule

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Speaker 1: that would feature ten games and begin October second after

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Speaker 1: a four week training camp. Both plans include playoff options

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Speaker 1: of four or six teams. Quote. This is not a

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Speaker 1: perfect plan, but it will prove that it can be

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Speaker 1: done if people are willing to make sacrifices. Brom said,

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Speaker 1: I wish we all could have been in conjunction as

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Speaker 1: Power five conferences and done what was best for all,

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Speaker 1: whether it was to continue to play or back the

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Speaker 1: season up or cancel the fact that's just a few

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Speaker 1: of us right now. We have to find a way

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Speaker 1: to make this work. It's important we all put our

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Speaker 1: thoughts together and do us best for college football and

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Speaker 1: our student athletes. I've been working on it NonStop. It

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Speaker 1: just got fully done early this morning. End quote.

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Speaker 2: Yeah he Jerry Maguire. This thing he really did, didn't he. Yeah, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: he had it bound he was at Kinko's. It was

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Speaker 2: I mean, it was thorough and he thought of a

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Speaker 2: lot of different things, and they're interesting aspects. I'm I'm

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Speaker 2: willing to read. And I mean I tweeted out from

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Speaker 2: the solid verbal account a spring fiver with the Big

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Speaker 2: Ten and Mountain West and MAC and Pac twelve and

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Speaker 2: figuring out a way to play a condensed season. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I didn't go into any of the detail that Jeff

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Speaker 2: Brohm did, but it's it's fascinating to hear because I

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Speaker 2: also saw that Jeff Brahm there were a number of

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Speaker 2: calls between Big Ten coaches and he like he credited

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Speaker 2: Jim Harbaugh with one of the postseason things. I believe

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Speaker 2: that he talked about with the playoff and the scheduling format,

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Speaker 2: and it's fascinating. It really is fascinating. And I like

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Speaker 2: that he talked about, Okay, this is what we need

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Speaker 2: before you know, he talks about a vaccine and improved

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Speaker 2: rapid testing, and like he really did. He didn't say, like, Okay,

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Speaker 2: this is how, this is how the games and practices were.

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Speaker 2: He actually talked about what surrounding elements need to be

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Speaker 2: in place as well. So I appreciate his optimism. I

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Speaker 2: appreciate his thoughtfulness. I am. I hope it happens for

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Speaker 2: the Big ten in Pac twelve because the fall isn't happening.

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Speaker 2: I hope we get something out of the spring eighteen

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Speaker 2: games in what a year a year's time. And he

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Speaker 2: talked about all the time off players would have between

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Speaker 2: the spring and summer and fall and you know the

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Speaker 2: postpone I'm postponed but knocked back into October November fall

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Speaker 2: season there would be, and just how the player's bodies

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Speaker 2: would be treated differently in terms of wear and tear.

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Speaker 2: I appreciated all of that to sort of adjust how

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Speaker 2: what it was one day a week in pads practice wise.

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Speaker 2: What she talked about was the case with him when

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Speaker 2: he was an assistant with the assistant or a player

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Speaker 2: for the forty nine ers. So there are in interesting

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Speaker 2: elements and interesting plans. Unfortunately, the part of the plan

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Speaker 2: that's most important Jeff Brom is in no control of well,

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Speaker 2: and that's just what's happening on earth.

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Speaker 1: Nobody is yeah, and so that's the frustrating part of it.

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Speaker 1: But I do think it's encouraging at a time right

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Speaker 1: now where it does seem like a lot of the

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Speaker 1: news around the sport is very bad, it does seem

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Speaker 1: encouraging that he's at least put pen to paper and

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Speaker 1: has something down that. Look, I don't know if it

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Speaker 1: would work, it seems like it's thorough Like you said,

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Speaker 1: it's very thoughtful. He definitely puts some time in on this,

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Speaker 1: and frankly, it's going to take a guy like Jeff

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Speaker 1: Brohm to be part of that process to develop the

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Speaker 1: plan if we want it to be successful at all,

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Speaker 1: it needs to be sort of that like man on

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Speaker 1: the ground, coach on the sidelines perspective, if this thing

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Speaker 1: is going to work.

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Speaker 2: It is sort of strange that Jeff Brom was quicker

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Speaker 2: and more thoughtful than a conference that could have been

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Speaker 2: speaking to its head coaches, and I know, getting a

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Speaker 2: consensus among fourteen head coaches you know in the Big

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Speaker 2: ten or twelve in the PAC twelve, with commissioner and

602
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Speaker 2: people in you know, ads, it's tough to sort of

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Speaker 2: corral all those cats to hurt all those cats ideas.

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Speaker 2: But it is strange that when Kevin Warren and Larry

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Speaker 2: Scott announced everything, that they didn't announce at least a

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Speaker 2: skeleton of what a spring timing hope would exactly exactly,

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Speaker 2: and that Jeff Brohm was able to, presumably in you know,

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Speaker 2: thirty six forty eight hours or whatever, map out his

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Speaker 2: vision for a skeleton, whereas the people who are paid

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Speaker 2: to organize these football conferences and organize the thoughts of

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Speaker 2: the people that are in charge of football for these

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Speaker 2: individual teams, they were not able to do that. So

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Speaker 2: that's a little bit sad. But at least, you know,

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Speaker 2: we get Jerry maguire bram.

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Speaker 1: I like that. Yeah. And by the way, to your point,

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Speaker 1: it raised some eyebrows after Who's with me? After the

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Speaker 1: Big thank you, After the Big Ten made its announcement,

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Speaker 1: some stuff came out that they had really only started

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Speaker 1: talking about the spring season the night before they made

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Speaker 1: the announcement.

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Speaker 2: Well, you never know if they are contra indicators.

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Speaker 1: There could be contra indicators, right, Yeah, But I think

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Speaker 1: that angered a lot of folks who are big ten

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Speaker 1: fans just started talking about this. Now you knew this

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Speaker 1: was a possibility. So again a lot of folks turning

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Speaker 1: on one another at this point. We'll try to hold

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Speaker 1: it together here on the podcast as best we can.

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Speaker 1: Jeff Brom, though, has created the Brom Plan for spring football,

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Speaker 1: and we'll see to what end it's adopted by the

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Speaker 1: Mother Conference.

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Speaker 2: More to come on away.

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Speaker 1: The only other thing I have here on my crib

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Speaker 1: sheet is that this is sort of my News of

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Speaker 1: the Weird item that I wanted to discuss with you.

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Speaker 1: Daboswiaty we talked before about how he's uh. He said

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Speaker 1: he's all in favor of the players Association. That's great.

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Speaker 1: Dabo says fewer teams won't hurt the value of a

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Speaker 1: national championship. Quote, right, the four best teams can go play.

639
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Speaker 1: We've been one of those teams four or five years

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Speaker 1: in a row, so my opinion doesn't change anything for us.

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Speaker 1: We're just trying to be the best Clemson we can be.

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Speaker 1: Whoever you play every week, you try to win that game,

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Speaker 1: you try to keep moving forward. We don't have any

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Speaker 1: control over that stuff, and certainly I don't judge them

645
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Speaker 1: in any way. Everyone's got to make decisions they feel

646
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Speaker 1: as best. If they feel like that's what's best for them,

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Speaker 1: then so be it. So perhaps a little bit of

648
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Speaker 1: context lost there. But if there's only three conferences, Dan,

649
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Speaker 1: does a national championship hold the same value to you?

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Speaker 2: Sure? Sure? I mean the Pac twelve and Big Ten

651
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Speaker 2: chose to do what they're doing. I happen to feel

652
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Speaker 2: like there's a lot of understandable elements of what those

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Speaker 2: two conferences did. So true if you are trying to

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Speaker 2: find a national champion among conferences who are choosing to play,

655
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Speaker 2: and they arrive at a college football playoff without sacrificing

656
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Speaker 2: something that feels kind of awful, which is the health

657
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Speaker 2: of a lot of players to get to that point.

658
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Speaker 2: If we get to a point where the college ball

659
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Speaker 2: playoff makes sense given how well these conferences have done

660
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Speaker 2: health wise, I think a college football playoff is a

661
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Speaker 2: reasonable reward for keeping your players healthy during a turbulent time.

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Speaker 2: So I think I'm okay with it. I mean, I

663
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Speaker 2: saw Steve spurry Er joking that he didn't understand how

664
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Speaker 2: that was great. You know, that was the winner of

665
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Speaker 2: the SEC playing the winner of the ACC is any

666
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Speaker 2: different than a normal year. So that was good. I

667
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Speaker 2: can I can laugh as a PAC twelve fan, TI

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Speaker 2: I have that in me.

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Speaker 1: I enjoyed the comment just because it just seemed like

670
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Speaker 1: so on brand for Dabbo. Yeah, so on brand for Dabbo. Well,

671
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Speaker 1: Clemson's one of the best teams of the We knew that.

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Speaker 1: We haven't done the preview yet, but we knew that

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Speaker 1: going in. So I don't think any of this diminishes

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Speaker 1: how good of a team Clemson is. It doesn't matter

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Speaker 1: who they play there, there's still going to be one

676
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Speaker 1: of the better teams in the country. It just sounds

677
00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:17,600
Speaker 1: so funny to say it doesn't matter. It would be

678
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Speaker 1: one conference, doesn't diminish the value of a championship.

679
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Speaker 2: Well, you'll remember back in the spring, Dabosweeney was positive

680
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:29,759
Speaker 2: everybody would be playing football with full stadiums, You'll remember. So,

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Speaker 2: I don't know how much weight you want to put

682
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Speaker 2: in what Dabo's confidence in what the future holds but

683
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Speaker 2: you know, I'm always curious to hear. I'm always curious

684
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Speaker 2: to hear. So there's that solid.

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Speaker 1: Verbal at gmail dot com is the email right in.

686
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:47,799
Speaker 1: If you've got any additional thoughts on the matter. Look

687
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:50,440
Speaker 1: a lot going on, you can also call in at

688
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:54,399
Speaker 1: four to eight verbal one. That's a reverblind. Like I said, well, well,

689
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:57,560
Speaker 1: mash some of those voice messages together and play them

690
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Speaker 1: next week, either Wednesday or amid all the other news

691
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Speaker 1: going on. I guess we're still going to be on

692
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Speaker 1: target to do two additional conference previews at least as

693
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Speaker 1: of recording, those being the ACC and the SEC.

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Speaker 2: Talk American as well Talk American.

695
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Speaker 1: Sure, we'll do our best to cover what's out there

696
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:21,759
Speaker 1: right now, just knowing what we know, without drawing too

697
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:24,080
Speaker 1: much in the way of assumptions. Dan, I guess that's

698
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Speaker 1: how we proceed here in Podcastville.

699
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Speaker 2: Can I can we pivot into to non bummer Island please?

700
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Speaker 2: I wanted to talk to you ty about what over

701
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:41,560
Speaker 2: these past few months, because I'm positive your life has

702
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 2: been very different. What are you missing? What can't you

703
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:49,279
Speaker 2: wait to do? Once again? HMMR. I don't know how

704
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:55,040
Speaker 2: much more I can play without getting sick. Okay, So

705
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:58,160
Speaker 2: I mean like it's been very different for just about

706
00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:01,400
Speaker 2: everybody just in terms of how much time we spend

707
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:04,120
Speaker 2: at home and how little we go out for recreational

708
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:08,279
Speaker 2: activities to indoor places since what late March mid March. Right,

709
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Speaker 2: So I'm positive you fantasized fans about I'm positive you

710
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:20,080
Speaker 2: fantasized about what you cannot wait to do again safely

711
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:23,759
Speaker 2: when it is safe to do so. So the floor

712
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:25,439
Speaker 2: is yours, tie, Just talk it out.

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Speaker 1: Well. I miss being able to get together with family, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think first and foremost.

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Speaker 2: Doing some backyard stuff though, right, we've done some of

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Speaker 2: the backyard safe Yeah, done some of the backyard stuff.

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Speaker 1: But it's it's just different. Frankly, it's different. You can't

718
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Speaker 1: gather in large groups. So that's a bummer. I thought

719
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Speaker 1: you said this was a non bummer segment. By the way,

720
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Speaker 1: you're gonna make no I'm.

721
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Speaker 2: Saying, I'm saying, I'm not saying what you Okay, let's

722
00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:53,600
Speaker 2: I want I want excitement. I want I want to

723
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Speaker 2: live in the you know, the scene and hook where

724
00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:58,920
Speaker 2: they have the uh, the giant feast or even though

725
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:01,080
Speaker 2: they don't have food, they're mad and if there's something

726
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:03,920
Speaker 2: happy about that, I think, all right, even though there's

727
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:06,759
Speaker 2: a there's sadness to there. I'm just I have a

728
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Speaker 2: lot of things I can't wait to do again.

729
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Speaker 1: No, well, I mean I can't. I can't wait to

730
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Speaker 1: get back to normal with family gatherings. I think that

731
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Speaker 1: much sort of goes on. Said, you know, I think

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Speaker 1: that's that's definitely the main thing. Bars, restaurants, travel, Travel,

733
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Speaker 1: I think is a big one. Ball pits. Ballpits obviously,

734
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Speaker 1: but travel. Everybody that knows TI for sure got a

735
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Speaker 1: big ball pit in the backyard. No, I think travels

736
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Speaker 1: probably the number two item there. You know, at least

737
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Speaker 1: here in PA, if you go to certain states, you

738
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Speaker 1: have to quarantine upon coming back, and I think that's

739
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Speaker 1: kept a lot of people here, and so you know

740
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Speaker 1: that part of it adds a degree of uncertainty.

741
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Speaker 2: Hit me with a country, hit me with a non

742
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Speaker 2: Pennsylvania town far at least one thousand miles away.

743
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Speaker 1: Well, we had planned on going somewhere for anniversary this year.

744
00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:03,640
Speaker 1: Now that went out though, wind.

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Speaker 2: Okay, to be clear, not me and you No, no,

746
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Speaker 2: no, no no no, you just said we Okay, did I

747
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Speaker 2: say we?

748
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Speaker 1: So I was thinking like where did we plan? No, no,

749
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Speaker 1: no solid wife, Kate and I had planned on going

750
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Speaker 1: somewhere because what was in the running. We talked about

751
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Speaker 1: everywhere from like Sedona to somewhere in Europe, but that

752
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:26,880
Speaker 1: quickly went out the window given all circumstances. So to

753
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Speaker 1: just get back to a point where you can make

754
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Speaker 1: travel plans like that confidently, I think would be would

755
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Speaker 1: definitely go a long way towards making things feel.

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Speaker 2: Normal where in Europe.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, you're asking too many questions, Dan.

758
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Speaker 2: We're talking Copenhagen, Prague, Copenhagen, south of France.

759
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Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, I think a lot of

760
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Speaker 1: it was on the table. Ireland, UK, Italy.

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Speaker 2: Man, I've heard great things Urbne Ireland. Yeah, Italy is fantastic.

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Speaker 1: So stuff like that, stuff like that would help, just

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Speaker 1: to kind of have that as an option. I also

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Speaker 1: think going to stores, just like normal stores, not looking

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Speaker 1: around and seeing everybody wearing a mask. Sure, I sort

766
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Speaker 1: of missed that degree of normalcy, even.

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Speaker 2: Like checking out strangers TI and you don't get the

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Speaker 2: full experience. Well, I understand what you're saying.

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Speaker 1: Being the playboy, am sure, yeah that's true. But even

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Speaker 1: to the extent of the work commute or going into

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Speaker 1: the mysterious day job to be around routine. Yeah, be

772
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Speaker 1: around colleagues. That routine has been has been up ended,

773
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Speaker 1: so I miss all of it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I'm going to echo everything you've said. I

775
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:39,479
Speaker 2: love to travel Jody with and I had all sorts

776
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Speaker 2: of travel plans. We really want to go to Portugal,

777
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:43,480
Speaker 2: so it's gonna be a while before we end up

778
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:49,840
Speaker 2: in lis Bois. Yeah. I mean I have an eighteen

779
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:52,879
Speaker 2: month old son and my parents got to hang out

780
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Speaker 2: with them a while when we were out in California

781
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Speaker 2: every day, and now we have no idea when we're

782
00:41:58,120 --> 00:41:59,680
Speaker 2: going to see each other again. So there's I mean

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Speaker 2: that that is a pretty significant bummer. But man, Tile

784
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:04,920
Speaker 2: of food, I want to go for Korean Barbecue round

785
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:07,040
Speaker 2: two with you. I want to pull down that giant

786
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:11,040
Speaker 2: exhaust hood and watch you just admire the beauty that

787
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Speaker 2: is Korean barbecue. I miss that. I miss New York.

788
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:18,279
Speaker 2: I'm in Chicago. I'm in Chicago Land because life got

789
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Speaker 2: real different, especially with a growing little guy, and it

790
00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:25,440
Speaker 2: made more sense, given the lack of mobility, to be

791
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Speaker 2: somewhere with you know, a house situation and around family,

792
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:31,399
Speaker 2: so that I miss New York. I mean, New York

793
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:37,440
Speaker 2: was amazing. So travel restaurants, obviously, I'm gonna concur with

794
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Speaker 2: you with ball pits. I don't I just the feeling

795
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Speaker 2: of going somewhere not thinking about masks and distance, like

796
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:53,759
Speaker 2: I miss it. It's a reality right now. But man,

797
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:56,360
Speaker 2: just going to I got an email from one of

798
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Speaker 2: my favorite restaurants in New York, a place called Shuka,

799
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:00,520
Speaker 2: which is you know, it's one of those places where

800
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:02,160
Speaker 2: it's like rip and dip. They bring you all sorts

801
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:04,840
Speaker 2: of sauces and breads and kebabs and all that stuff,

802
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:08,719
Speaker 2: and you can really only eat there. It's one of

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Speaker 2: those places, I guess, like Korean barbecue, Like it's an experience.

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Speaker 2: And I can't wait to do that again. To just

805
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:17,759
Speaker 2: go somewhere with a bunch of people, hug a good

806
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:22,400
Speaker 2: friend or five and just share food and laugh. Man,

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna do I'm gonna do the hell out of

808
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:25,560
Speaker 2: that as soon as I can.

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00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:28,799
Speaker 1: Tie well, you know what, that's a good way I

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00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:32,680
Speaker 1: think to break for the evening here. Okay, solid verbal

811
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:36,440
Speaker 1: at gmail dot com right in, let us know. I

812
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:39,399
Speaker 1: don't know where you're at Man, how you're doing, what's

813
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:42,080
Speaker 1: going on, how you feel about all this college football madness.

814
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:44,719
Speaker 1: We're going to do our part. We've committed to that.

815
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:47,000
Speaker 1: We're going to do our part. We're not going away.

816
00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:50,440
Speaker 1: The season may be in somewhat of turmoil or uncertainty,

817
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:52,799
Speaker 1: but we're going to do our part to stay here,

818
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:55,240
Speaker 1: to be with you, to cover it all and react

819
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:57,160
Speaker 1: as fans, which is what I think we do best.

820
00:43:57,400 --> 00:44:00,239
Speaker 1: We are planning on bringing on a number of the

821
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Speaker 1: writers who are breaking these stories. We talked to Nicole

822
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Speaker 1: auerback from the Athletic previously. I'm sure we'll have her

823
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Speaker 1: on again sometime soon. As Dan said, we're gonna work

824
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Speaker 1: on Ross Dellinger and some others as well who have

825
00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:15,359
Speaker 1: been very active in the space. Try and keep you

826
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Speaker 1: as up to date as we can in our on

827
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Speaker 1: demand audio land.

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Speaker 2: I have one more question. I have another question. This

829
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Speaker 2: is gonna be good, Okay, this is gonna be a

830
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Speaker 2: little bit more positive.

831
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Speaker 1: Please.

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Speaker 2: Did you see the story about the Seattle Seahawks rookie

833
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Speaker 2: corner who tried to sneak in a lady friend too.

834
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Speaker 2: I think it was the team hotel where they were

835
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Speaker 2: all quarantining and bubbling up one. If we had to quarantine,

836
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Speaker 2: you know, for whatever reason, to be an ongoing podcast,

837
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Speaker 2: how long would you need before you started thinking about

838
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Speaker 2: sneaking Kate into a bubble?

839
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Speaker 1: If at all?

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Speaker 2: I don't know. And let's say we're in I don't know,

841
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Speaker 2: we're in a cour yard by Marriott, we're in the

842
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:04,400
Speaker 2: Hilton Garden Inn, we're in a CBM or and HgI.

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Speaker 2: What is your strategy for sneaking Kate into the bub

844
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Speaker 2: It would be the biggest bag that I own. Ye,

845
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Speaker 2: she's not a large lady, ty, I guess you could.

846
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Speaker 2: You could figure out some sort of okay.

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00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:25,960
Speaker 1: Away travel former sponsor of the verbal okay, and we

848
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:28,880
Speaker 1: would see if we could, if we could stuff her

849
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Speaker 1: in there, stuff her into a suitcase. Yeah, that's what

850
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:34,919
Speaker 1: we would have to do, and I think it would

851
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:39,719
Speaker 1: thank him. Frankly, Jody with an eye applies to be

852
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:45,080
Speaker 1: No housekeeping isn't good. She's not neat at all. But

853
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Speaker 1: some sort of room service attendant or something at the hotel.

854
00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:53,640
Speaker 1: I don't know what kind of background process, background checking

855
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Speaker 1: they're doing. I think that's the way I would do things.

856
00:45:56,920 --> 00:46:00,560
Speaker 1: Almost in an ocean's eleven type way. Mm okay, I

857
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:02,400
Speaker 1: don't know if it would work, but so that story

858
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:05,319
Speaker 1: is one of the risks though. Of there's not even

859
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Speaker 1: an attempted organized bubble in college football.

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00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:13,840
Speaker 2: No, so that's going to happen. That's going to happen

861
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Speaker 2: where somebody is going to miss and understandably so they're

862
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Speaker 2: going to miss a significant other and try to skirt

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Speaker 2: some protocol. But man, I can't believe how quickly that

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Speaker 2: happened in the NFL. I cannot believe how quickly it is. Incredible.

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Speaker 2: Uh yeah, I think it would take me three to

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Speaker 2: five weeks. I think I could like really talk myself

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Speaker 2: into doing the right thing for the cause, and then

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Speaker 2: you know, four or five weeks in I'm like, man

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Speaker 2: Ty snores, I don't know about this life. That's that

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Speaker 2: I think is my timeline.

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Speaker 1: All right, Well, another thing that people can write in

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Speaker 1: and talk to us about.

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Speaker 2: And you do snore.

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Speaker 1: To be clear, I have been known to.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, that's all I have, Dan.

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Speaker 1: This has been fun, cathartic even. Yeah, talk college football

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Speaker 1: with you, listen wherever you are. We appreciate the wash arcade.

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Speaker 2: Hold on, now it's coming to me.

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Speaker 1: We appreciate the download, don't forget to subscribe. If you

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Speaker 1: like the show, please do leave us a review. Every

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Speaker 1: little bit helps. We plan on being here for as

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Speaker 1: long as humanly possible amid these weird, uncertain college football times.

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Speaker 1: But hey, next week's a new week. Let's going to

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Speaker 1: the weekend strong. Hopefully next week's a little bit happier.

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Speaker 1: What do you say?

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Speaker 2: I would love that to be the case.

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Speaker 1: For that guy over there, my good friend Dan Rubinstein,

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Speaker 1: for myself, Ty Hildebrant, thank you so much for downloading,

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Speaker 1: for listening, for supporting our show. Enjoy your weekend. In

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Speaker 1: the meantime, stay safe and stay solid peace.

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Speaker 2: All right? I have another one. Kate's working at the

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Speaker 2: front desk and you call down to the front desk

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Speaker 2: and you say, hey, I'd like more towels. And the

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Speaker 2: only way she knows what towels is code for is

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Speaker 2: she has to ask you a question like would you

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Speaker 2: like them just left outside of your room? Or would

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Speaker 2: you like somebody to knock? And you say what do

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Speaker 2: you think? And that's the key phrase for Kate to know.

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Speaker 1: This is like Argo