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Speaker 1: Good morning, everybody, Happy Monday. We have an amazing show

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Speaker 4: We do glad to have you back, my friend.

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Speaker 1: Thank you. Yeah, it was it was a rough one

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Speaker 3: It's the worst flu season since two thousand and nine,

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Speaker 3: So everybody out there please take precautions. Stay away from

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Speaker 4: Yes, yes, be free to breaking out the mask and

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Speaker 4: so for.

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Speaker 3: Real, Yeah, this will be the only time I will

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Speaker 3: I know multiple people who've been inflicted, so stay away

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Speaker 2: My daughter's second grade class has been absolutely decimated.

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Speaker 1: Horrible.

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Speaker 4: We've gotten i won't.

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Speaker 2: Say unscathed, but we've escaped the worst of it so

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Speaker 2: far this year. So fingers crossed, the weather turns nicer

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Speaker 2: and some of these things died down.

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Speaker 4: Yes, it's been a rough one.

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Speaker 1: It's been bad.

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Speaker 4: So in any case, glad you're back. We've got a

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Speaker 4: lot to talk about.

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Speaker 2: ELON sent out a weekend ultimatum to old federal government employees. Interestingly, though,

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Speaker 2: a lot of the agencies are telling their workers, including

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Speaker 2: you know, FBI now under cash Betel, Department of Defense,

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Speaker 2: et cetera, don't respond to this email. So very interesting

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Speaker 2: dynamics playing out here. We got some new polls revealing

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Speaker 2: the latest about how the public feels about DOJ and

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Speaker 2: it potentially means elections in Germany. So the far right

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Speaker 2: interesting political dynamics there. Inflation, the war in Ukraine, immigration economics,

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Speaker 4: So we'll break that down for you as well.

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Speaker 2: Bernie is out doing some barn burner town halls in

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Speaker 2: There are also some other troubling economic indicators. We're going

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Speaker 2: to take a look at all of that. And Luigimngioni

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Speaker 2: main appearance in court. Our own Spencer Snyder was there

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Speaker 2: so really interested to get that on the ground report

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Speaker 1: Yes, that's right.

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Speaker 3: Continue to monitor the faq on his website with a

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Speaker 1: Did you watch that segment?

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Speaker 3: It was an faq all about how people can send

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Speaker 3: He's a great I have to say, I told you

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Speaker 3: very interesting showdown happening here in Washington? And I would

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Speaker 1: Let's put this up there on the screen.

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Speaker 3: It began with like an office Space style meme email

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Speaker 3: this Monday at eleven fifty nine EST. So let's go

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Speaker 3: to Elon's explanation for that email. It says, consistent with

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Speaker 3: President Trump's instructions, all federal employees will shortly receive an

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Speaker 3: Failure to respond will be taken as resignation. So this

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Speaker 3: elon slash dose quote unquote overreach with pushback, because what

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Speaker 3: at all. If anything's been encouraging him to go further,

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Speaker 3: put that next one, please so we can show people.

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Speaker 3: It says Elon is doing a great job, but I

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Speaker 3: would like to see him get more aggressive. Remember we

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Speaker 3: than ever before Maga. Imediately, though, following that email, Cash Patel,

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Speaker 3: the newly confirmed FBI director, directed his entire workforce not

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Speaker 3: to respond to the email. It just says all FBI personnel,

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Speaker 3: may I love may have received an email from OPM

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Speaker 3: requesting information. The FBI, through the Office of the Director,

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Speaker 3: for now. Please pause any responses. Thank you, Cash Ptel.

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Speaker 3: On the right is RFK Junior actually, who reversed his

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Speaker 3: original policy telling his workforce to reply to the email,

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Speaker 3: saying HHS leadership continues to work with APM officials and

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Speaker 3: And then finally, the Pentagon also weigh in here. Let's

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Speaker 3: this is very significant, Crystal. I think it's the very

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Speaker 1: Beyond even the quote.

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Speaker 3: Unquote fork in the road the buyout, this one was

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Speaker 3: one where the directors of the agencies really step forward

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Speaker 3: and they're like, yeah, that's just not happening in terms

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Speaker 1: So I do find it actually very interesting.

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Speaker 3: And I mean I'm presuming that there's at least some

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Speaker 3: I'm actually curious to see how it goes.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we'll see.

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Speaker 2: There's a lot that's interesting about this and the dynamics

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Speaker 4: A second, no, no, no, no, no, this is my workforce.

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Speaker 2: I have some authority at this agency, and you're not

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Speaker 4: But you know, it.

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Speaker 2: Really is for the federal government workforce, which by the

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Speaker 2: The town that I'm from is like sixty to sixty

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the numbers here from Claude. We have four million

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Speaker 2: at this point. Those national parks are huge economic drivers

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Speaker 2: for the mostly rural and many of them Western communities

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Speaker 2: that you know that exists out there. So the impact

442
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Speaker 2: is a lot more diffuse and a lot more widespread

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Speaker 2: than I think people are taking into account. And in addition,

444
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Speaker 2: I was seeing one analysis that also suggests, you know,

445
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Speaker 2: for every federal government worker that you fire, you're also

446
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Speaker 2: talking about probably two or three contractors that are.

447
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Speaker 4: Impacted by that.

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Speaker 2: And again, you know, back to by small town that

449
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Speaker 2: I live in, I know that's like the whole economy

450
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Speaker 2: there is around this base. If that takes on, if

451
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Speaker 2: that is cut significantly, it would be devastating to the

452
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Speaker 2: whole entire town and community, et cetera. So I think

453
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Speaker 2: people are very upset and unhappy with the really callous,

454
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Speaker 2: chaotic way this is all unfolding.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, part of the problem is is that it doesn't

456
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Speaker 3: feel like there's some grand plan. And that's always the

457
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Speaker 3: issue is if I think about the tariffs we talked

458
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Speaker 3: about from twenty eighteen, one of the reason why I

459
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Speaker 3: think that Trump never got any real sustainable pushback is

460
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Speaker 3: it was directly connected.

461
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Speaker 1: We're like, look, we're doing this around China.

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Speaker 3: Yes, washing machines will be more expensive, soybean farmers, We're

463
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Speaker 3: going to cut you guys checks from these tariffs. This

464
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Speaker 3: is all about restoring the trade deficit. And people were like, Okay,

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Speaker 3: I understand that. The thing is with dose right now

466
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Speaker 3: is it doesn't feel It feels both slap shot and

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Speaker 3: it also doesn't necessarily feel as if it's working to

468
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Speaker 3: some broader end, and the more that that stuff permeates,

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Speaker 3: Like you said, I mean for me, you know, if

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Speaker 3: somebody messed with my Zion reservation, I would be very upset.

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Speaker 3: So I feel very much with a lot of those

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Speaker 3: people out there. It's already a shitty program the way

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Speaker 3: that the National Park Service reservations worked, and if you

474
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Speaker 3: had stuff like that planned for the future, it would

475
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Speaker 3: be infuriating. Because it is one of the cheapest vacations

476
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Speaker 3: and American can take to go to a National park.

477
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Speaker 3: It's literally what like seventy dollars or something for a

478
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Speaker 3: year long past, and you can have unlimited entertainment in them.

479
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Speaker 3: So absolutely, anybody out there go as quick as you

480
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Speaker 3: possibly can. This Spartan to be spring. Shannandoah's here nearby us.

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Speaker 3: It's an amazing park. I've never been to Smoky Mountains,

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Speaker 3: that's next on my list. Yeah, But Zion, Yosemite, Glacier,

483
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Speaker 3: any of these, they're just incredible, incredible places. Let's put

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Speaker 3: this one up there on the screen a eight, please,

485
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Speaker 3: because this is.

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Speaker 1: The probably the most noteworthy one.

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Speaker 3: If we want to go off of people who were accurate,

488
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Speaker 3: Trump's own polster certainly was accurate. And he says a

489
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Speaker 3: poll of swing voters is showing warning signs for Republicans

490
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Speaker 3: bent on helping billionaires. So it is interesting because if

491
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Speaker 3: you dig down into the memo from this polster, it

492
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Speaker 3: finds quote sizable majorities in competitive House districts are unhappy

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Speaker 3: about their economic predicament. It gently warns that Republicans that

494
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Speaker 3: some of Trump's priorities they would enact would prove unpopular,

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Speaker 3: though it does avoids saying this directly, the memo suggests

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Speaker 3: that some Republicans at least do think that public opinion matters,

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Speaker 3: and even that maybe, just maybe they do fear being

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Speaker 3: held accountable in the future election. Says fifty nine percent

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Speaker 3: of voters in eighteen swing districts are worried about their

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Speaker 3: personal financial situations. Republicans have to play catch up here.

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Speaker 3: Trump's approval the district is forty seven forty nine. So still,

502
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Speaker 3: I mean, it's competitive, definitely within the margin of error.

503
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Speaker 3: But you should pay attention to the Tony Fabrizio one

504
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Speaker 3: obviously is very accurate in the Trump pulls in the

505
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Speaker 3: Trump election. Trump obviously trusts him, and it may inform

506
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Speaker 3: some of the future decisions here around Elon and one

507
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Speaker 3: thing we know about Trump is that Trump is the

508
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Speaker 3: ultimate transactional figure. Now I don't think that at this

509
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Speaker 3: point he cannot sideline Elon because Elon has become a

510
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Speaker 3: cause celab for the left right, like in terms of

511
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Speaker 3: the number one vector and Trump more than anything from

512
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Speaker 3: what I understand that people around him, his biggest regret

513
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Speaker 3: of his entire presidency is ever caving to liberals so Arlottesville,

514
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Speaker 3: apologizing and firing Mike Flynn, like his main takeaway from

515
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Speaker 3: the first term is that he should just not listen

516
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Speaker 3: at all. So anybody predicting some like grand firing and

517
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Speaker 3: all that, I.

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Speaker 1: Don't see it.

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Speaker 3: I do think that this sign of this email and

520
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Speaker 3: saying hey, don't reply and all that, that could be

521
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Speaker 3: the slow phase out. You also don't forget those Technically

522
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Speaker 3: is only supposed to exist until July fourth of twenty

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Speaker 3: twenty six, so it could be like an initial sidelining

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Speaker 3: and then like a nice disbandment where they don't acknowledge

525
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Speaker 3: it one hundred percent, but don't forget. July twenty twenty

526
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Speaker 3: six is right around when you would have the midterm elections,

527
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Speaker 3: so it's like, right the summer season is exactly when

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Speaker 3: people start to pay attention, so I could see, you know,

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Speaker 3: some stuff like that in the future, or just a

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Speaker 3: general ongoing move of being like, all right, you own,

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Speaker 3: you can tweet, you know, whatever bullshit statistics that you

532
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Speaker 3: want about however much money supposedly saved the government, but

533
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Speaker 3: these emails and all this other stuff like.

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Speaker 1: That to stop.

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Speaker 4: We'll see, We'll see.

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Speaker 2: I don't mean there's no real sign of that at

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Speaker 2: this point, but maybe if the poll numbers get more,

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Speaker 2: die or he'll decide like, all right, I'm kind of

539
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Speaker 2: done with this guy, you know. Part of the problem,

540
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Speaker 2: also outlined in this memo from Trump's own polster, is

541
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Speaker 2: warning signs about the way that they craft this tax

542
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Speaker 2: bill coming up as well, because they ask people, you know,

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Speaker 2: what the top priority of tax policy should be, and

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Speaker 2: unsurprisingly a vast majority sixty three percent so that the

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Speaker 2: top priority should be helping working class families. Only one

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Speaker 2: percent said it should be helping corporations and the wealthiest Americans.

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Speaker 2: And yet we already know that in terms of the

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Speaker 2: tax package that they're putting together, whether or not no

549
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Speaker 2: tax on tips or some other of the more populist

550
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Speaker 2: proposals that Trump put out there whether or not any

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Speaker 2: of them make it into that package still really an

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Speaker 2: open question.

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Speaker 4: But even if they.

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Speaker 2: Do, the vast bulk of that four point five trillion

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Speaker 2: dollar tax cut is going to go to the wealthiest

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Speaker 2: incorporations through the extension of the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act.

557
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Speaker 2: So you've got that, and then you also have the

558
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Speaker 2: fact that Americans are still saying, hey, my biggest priority

559
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Speaker 2: is still inflation. It's still cost of living, and there

560
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Speaker 2: is zero focus on that from the Trump administration. We've

561
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Speaker 2: already seen inflation tickup. Now he's saying, oh, that's the

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Speaker 2: fault of.

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Speaker 4: The last guy.

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Speaker 2: Maybe people will give him some grace for now because

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Speaker 2: he is still so no into office. But if those

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Speaker 2: trends continue, which they very possibly could, especially with the

567
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Speaker 2: you know, the tariff threats certainly feed into that, et cetera,

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Speaker 2: then he could really be in quite in having quite

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Speaker 2: a lot of problems politically.

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Speaker 4: There already are a lot of polls showing.

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Speaker 2: That one of his greatest strengths as a politician has

572
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Speaker 2: always been the way people trust him on the economy

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Speaker 2: because they just think, oh, this guy's a businessman, like

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Speaker 2: he must know what he's doing, et cetera. He is

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Speaker 2: deeply underwater on the economy already, and so saga. I

576
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Speaker 2: think that's the other problem with doge is it is

577
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Speaker 2: the sense of like I didn't ask for, like Gulf

578
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Speaker 2: of America renaming. I didn't ask for this, like just

579
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Speaker 2: go and randomly fire a bunch of federal government workers.

580
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Speaker 2: And you know, I didn't vote for this random guy,

581
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Speaker 2: richest man on the planet, like consolidating power and doing

582
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Speaker 2: all of this just blatant self dealing. And why aren't

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Speaker 2: you focused on the priorities that actually impact me and

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Speaker 2: that I'm focused on in my day to day life.

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Speaker 4: I think that's a real risk for Heemisop.

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Speaker 3: Well, not surprised me, but I'm still just vote so burned,

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Speaker 3: I think by a lot. It just seems a little

588
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Speaker 3: too cute for that to happen, as in like check

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Speaker 3: the box of every liberal slash mainstream critique and I've

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Speaker 3: just because of the way that twenty twenty four meant,

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Speaker 3: I'm like, maybe we'll see just in terms of what

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Speaker 3: it means for how people internalize all of this. Remember

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Speaker 3: my warning, the more tapped in you are, the more

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Speaker 3: likely to work to vote for Kamala. So how many

595
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Speaker 3: people out there are even aware of those Golf of America,

596
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Speaker 3: or even if they are aware of Golf of America,

597
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Speaker 3: people are pretty aware of it. I think it's funny.

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Speaker 3: But that's what I'm saying, is that you can be

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Speaker 3: aware and like it. And I think that's the one

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Speaker 3: caution I would always give people is remember the way

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Speaker 3: that the media or the liberals will frame something is

602
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Speaker 3: not necessarily how it lands. Remember Phereto recogate the childless

603
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Speaker 3: cat lady, stuff like brat Summer, all this stuff. It

604
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Speaker 3: was a complete opposite of how it all eventually turned out.

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Speaker 1: I just really think that's important for people to take away.

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, if we had paid attention to just

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Speaker 2: the material concerns of Americans, we would have been much

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Speaker 2: more you know, more people would have had a much

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Speaker 2: more accurate view of how this election was ultimately going

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Speaker 2: to go. Because people were consistently like, my biggest problem

611
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Speaker 2: is inflation, and I'm not happy with the economy, and

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Speaker 2: I'm certainly not happy with the way the Democrats have

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Speaker 2: handled the economy. And so when you have all of them,

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Speaker 2: We're going to do an economic segment later on. A

615
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Speaker 2: lot of warning signs, consumer sentimental, you know, turning really negative,

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Speaker 2: inflation ticking up, concerns about inflation ticking up. Trump increasingly

617
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Speaker 2: underwater on the economy. Like I think those are very

618
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Speaker 2: important warning signs for him. And when you couple that

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Speaker 2: with this agenda that seems really clearly cropped, like all

620
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Speaker 2: the populist you know, positioning from the campaign is gone,

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Speaker 2: and now you've just handed the keys over the richest

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Speaker 2: man on the planet who's out there looking out for

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Speaker 2: himself and his interest and you're about to couple that

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Speaker 2: with a gigantic tax cut for the rich. I think

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Speaker 2: that is very politically perilous, to say the least.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the tax cut, I think is again I actually

627
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Speaker 3: think that might be the most perilous one for Trump

628
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Speaker 3: because there's no getting around it.

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Speaker 1: If anything, he was lucky.

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Speaker 3: That he passed it so early last time around what

631
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Speaker 3: was in April I think of twenty seventeen, remember if

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Speaker 3: I recall the TCJ, or maybe it was jud it was.

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Speaker 1: Something like that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that was the first like major accomplishment. It was obviously,

635
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Speaker 3: as I always say, the lowest approval rating for Donald Trump.

636
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Speaker 3: And by that point, though three four years later, people

637
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Speaker 3: had mostly forgotten about it. So that's one of those

638
00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:52,080
Speaker 3: where it could be politically perilous. I definitely think it

639
00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:54,840
Speaker 3: will be for the midterm elections. In the long term,

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Speaker 3: I have no idea been thinking about the Clinton administration

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Speaker 3: A lot, which similarly had a very rocky nineteen ninety three,

642
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Speaker 3: got blown out in nineteen ninety four, but by ninety

643
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Speaker 3: six is still able to pull it out and somehow win.

644
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Speaker 3: So it's not always a you know, a predictor of

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Speaker 3: how things will go.

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Speaker 4: Obama is another example of that part.

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Speaker 2: You know, tea party wave happens and then Republicans think, oh,

648
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Speaker 2: we're a lock to win, and then you know, he

649
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Speaker 2: wins in actually quite a significant landslide. On the other hand,

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Speaker 2: I mean this also raises the question, like Trump is

651
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Speaker 2: out there, I'm going to run for another shouldn't I

652
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Speaker 2: run for another term? And there's a whole Bannon and

653
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Speaker 2: lots of other people that are trying to push for

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Speaker 2: a Trump term number three, which obviously is unconstitutional. I

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Speaker 2: don't at this point see how they could actually make

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Speaker 2: that happen. But you know, the other thing is that

657
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Speaker 2: it is unlikely to be Trump who's running again. So

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Speaker 2: in those situations you have incumbent presidents who were both

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Speaker 2: extremely politically talented, like you know how we feel about

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Speaker 2: them ideologically, Bill Clinton and Barack Obama were both generally

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Speaker 2: generation generational political talents. Trump is in his own way

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Speaker 2: as well, so you are unlikely to have him on

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Speaker 2: the ballot again, which I do think sort of complicates

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Speaker 2: the picture because nobody has been able to really consolidate

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Speaker 2: and put together the amount of enthusiasm and this particular

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Speaker 2: coalition that Donald Trump has been the face for.

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Speaker 1: It is the eighty eight election. The eighty eight election

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Speaker 1: was very interesting.

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Speaker 3: HW was a very weak candidate, of course, like the

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Speaker 3: blue blood and you know with the grocery store stuff

671
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Speaker 3: that all happened eventually and sunk him in ninety two,

672
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Speaker 3: but really it was like Reagan hangover. People trusted him

673
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Speaker 3: the twelve years of government supply side economics and all

674
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Speaker 3: that narratively was there, and then Ducaccus was just horrible.

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Speaker 3: So it's one of those where you could see if

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Speaker 3: the Democrats choose a Ducaccas style figure, all that you

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Speaker 3: really all HW had to do was not just run

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Speaker 3: on the Reagan legacy, but really against like institutional leftism

679
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Speaker 3: as it kind of existed at that time. So I've

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Speaker 3: been thinking about that as well, but obviously that's a

681
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Speaker 3: long long way away. Let's put some of the polling

682
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Speaker 3: up here, just to see what we have so far.

683
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Speaker 3: This from the Washington This is from IPSO some new

684
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Speaker 3: polling that just came in approval of mus shutting down

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Speaker 3: federal programs he decides are unnecessary. Disapprove is fifty two

686
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Speaker 3: percent approved twenty six net minus twenty six. Let's go

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Speaker 3: to the next one, please, just to continue to show

688
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Speaker 3: people approval of Elon Musk's job in government. Disapproves at

689
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Speaker 3: forty nine. Approve is at thirty four net minus fifteen.

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Speaker 3: Next one as well, just to continue, would you rather

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Speaker 3: see the next control Congress by Democrats or Republicans? Has

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Speaker 3: Democrats there with fifty four Again, remember it's only been

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Speaker 3: a month, I think a month and four days and

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Speaker 3: all of that. Things definitely there, And keep in mind

695
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Speaker 3: all the caveats I gave about oversampling and all of that.

696
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Speaker 3: But I will just say initially, it would not be

697
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Speaker 3: a surprise. In fact, it would be historically a trend.

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Speaker 3: It would be very in line with historical trends for

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Speaker 3: the Republicans to have a blowout in the mid terms.

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Speaker 1: They already don't have control of Congress.

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Speaker 3: Their number one achievement, the only legislative achievement I can

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Speaker 3: track right now with any regularity, is.

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Speaker 1: This tax bill, which is not going to be popular.

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Speaker 1: It will be popular for a lot of rich people,

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Speaker 1: but that's it. So you're going to have that.

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Speaker 3: You could have potentially higher inflation and an economic crisis

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Speaker 3: or some sort of international situation. None of that could happen,

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Speaker 3: and you would still fit within a historical trend of

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Speaker 3: the Democratic thermostatic public opinion that turnout being high. This

710
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Speaker 3: is an interesting theory I've been looking at is that

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Speaker 3: united control of Congress, of Congress and the presidency often

712
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Speaker 3: leads to some of the bigger midterm blowouts. So if

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Speaker 3: you think about Obama a similar thing. I was just

714
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Speaker 3: looking at the margins. Those were margins were insane. Fifty

715
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Speaker 3: seven seats in the sent is crazy for the Democrats.

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Speaker 3: But the fact is that their ability to pass the

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Speaker 3: two thousand and nine the healthcare reform, obviously, that's what

718
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Speaker 3: ignited the Tea Party wave and that's what led to

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Speaker 3: the huge blowout in twenty ten. For that, if you

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Speaker 3: look back to the Democrats, a little bit different, you know,

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Speaker 3: with Clinton in terms of the control, but the similar

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Speaker 3: the ninety three push for that initial healthcare reform that

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Speaker 3: led to the Chip Act or whatever it was called.

724
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Speaker 3: Under Hillary Clinton experienced a significant amount of blowback with

725
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Speaker 3: the Contract for America. So you could easily see something

726
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Speaker 3: like that happen with Donald Trump. Is that very often

727
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Speaker 3: United control of government leads to a midterm kind of blowout,

728
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Speaker 3: which it wouldn't surprise me.

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Speaker 2: And I think they are really flirting with like historic

730
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Speaker 2: just like disaster and political disaster, because as we've discussed before,

731
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Speaker 2: by putting their hands in all of these agencies, you know,

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Speaker 2: even air traffic controllers got the elon justify yourself your

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Speaker 2: existence to me in five bullet points like across the board,

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Speaker 2: so you have, you know, one, you're one major disaster

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Speaker 2: away from people completely turning on this administration. Not to mention,

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Speaker 2: as we're about to discuss later in the show, a

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Speaker 2: lot of very concerning economic indicators, So you know, there's

738
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Speaker 2: a possibility out there of real political collapse outside of

739
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Speaker 2: even what like the Tea Party waves was, or what

740
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Speaker 2: the backlash in the Clinton administration was, et cetera. So

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Speaker 2: I do think that they are playing with fire right now.

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Speaker 2: And just to wrap up this block, go back to

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Speaker 2: A nine, which shows some of the numbers for Trump

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Speaker 2: in particular, because in the very early days of the administration,

745
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Speaker 2: Elon seemed to be taking on water, but Trump was

746
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Speaker 2: kind of hanging in there. You know, his approval rating

747
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Speaker 2: was staying war less fifty to fifty, which for him

748
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Speaker 2: is phenomenal. Greg Sargeant here as kind of a compilation

749
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Speaker 2: of some of the recent polling that has warning signs,

750
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Speaker 2: not just about Elon but about Trump himself. Only thirty

751
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Speaker 2: four percent of approve of Musk's role, sixty three percent

752
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Speaker 2: worry about his data access. According to CNN, fifty four

753
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Speaker 2: percent say it is bad that he was given a

754
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Speaker 2: big role. And now you have majorities disapproving of Trump

755
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Speaker 2: in CNN, Washington Post, and Gallop and also Trump's own polster,

756
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Speaker 2: as we showed you before, has him underwater in swing districts.

757
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Speaker 2: So Trump's approval pretty consistent trend in all of these

758
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Speaker 2: seems to be trending downward as he now takes on

759
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Speaker 2: water because of the unpopularity of Musk and Doge and

760
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Speaker 2: the actions that they're very possible.

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Speaker 3: Like you said, also keep in mind, though, is that

762
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Speaker 3: I came pretty damn close in the twenty twenty election,

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Speaker 3: even with what what did you have, like a thirty

764
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Speaker 3: percent approval rating, So you never know, there are a

765
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Speaker 3: lot of people out there who vote for Trump who

766
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Speaker 3: don't like him.

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Speaker 2: I will say one again, he's not supposed to be

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Speaker 2: on the ballot again, so.

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Speaker 3: Oh true, Hey, listen, we'll debate this another time. I'm

770
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Speaker 3: very for getting rid of the twin I don't like

771
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Speaker 3: the Bannon way because they're trying to craft it so

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Speaker 3: that it's only Donald Trump.

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Speaker 1: I think I think the entire two term elament.

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Speaker 3: Should be completely gotten rid of, and if Obama wants

775
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Speaker 3: to run again, let him. I hate Obama, as everybody

776
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Speaker 3: watches a show know. I think he should have been

777
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Speaker 3: able to run again. I think Clinton should have been

778
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Speaker 3: able to run again. Arguably would have been way better

779
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Speaker 3: off if Clinton had won the two thousand election, you know,

780
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Speaker 3: in terms of how he would have handled all that.

781
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Speaker 3: So that twenty second amendment really did actually cost us

782
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Speaker 3: some bad. What it did is it created the current

783
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Speaker 3: dynamic of the swings back and forth and led to

784
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Speaker 3: the inability for an FDR style king and or President.

785
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Speaker 3: I know we've had this debate before to basically enshrine

786
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Speaker 3: twenty years of rule, which if that's what America wants,

787
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Speaker 3: then I think that's what America should be able to have. Actually,

788
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Speaker 3: in tradition, be damned at.

789
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Speaker 2: This point, completely unprincipled view of this, which is in general,

790
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Speaker 2: I agree with that, and I do not want Donald Trump.

791
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Speaker 4: I want to run again, so but I'll let the

792
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Speaker 4: people decide.

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Speaker 2: Also, like you said, they're trying, Okay, so it is

794
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Speaker 2: they are not going to be able to pass a

795
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Speaker 2: constitutional amendment. That is not going to happen. So let's

796
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Speaker 2: just put that out there. So I don't know what

797
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Speaker 2: other pathways they would pursue, perhaps just making some like

798
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Speaker 2: Kakamami theory that they push up to the Supreme Court

799
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Speaker 2: and hope that those people are just so enthralled with

800
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Speaker 2: Trump at this point that they give him whatever he wants.

801
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Speaker 2: But yeah, what they want it to be is that

802
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Speaker 2: you can't serve to more than two consecutive terms, and

803
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Speaker 2: so that would rule out Obama but would rule in Trump.

804
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Speaker 2: That's what they're going for, which is totally unprit.

805
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Speaker 3: Even I wouldn't hate it. I wouldn't hate it just

806
00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:05,240
Speaker 3: to set the precedent for the future. Maybe we'll getting

807
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Speaker 3: really old too, by the way, like yeah.

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Speaker 1: Run against him.

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Speaker 3: Then tell the American people they care about age obviously,

810
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Speaker 3: whether that's what they said about Biden.

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Speaker 1: So there we go.

812
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Speaker 2: Trump making some significant moves over at the Pentagon, in

813
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Speaker 2: particular removing the previous Chair of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

814
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Speaker 2: Let's go and put his announcement up on the screen.

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Speaker 2: This was on true Social He says, I want to

816
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Speaker 2: thank General Charles C. Q. Brown for his over forty

817
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Speaker 2: years of service to our country, including as our current

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Speaker 2: Chair of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. He has a

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Speaker 2: fine gentleman and ann outstanding leader, and I wish a

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Speaker 2: great future for him and his family. Today, I'm honored

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Speaker 2: to announce that I am nominating Air Force Lieutenant General

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Speaker 2: Dan Raisin Kine to be the next Chair of the

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Speaker 2: Joint Chiefs of Staff. General Kine is an accomplished pilot,

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Speaker 2: national security expert, successful entrepreneur, and a warfighter in quotes

825
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Speaker 2: for some reason, with significant interagency and special operations experience.

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Speaker 2: So we'll tell you a little bit more about the

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Speaker 2: individual who is General Brown's replacement. But this was one

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Speaker 2: of a number of moves that were made at the

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Speaker 2: Pentagon and what some are describing as a purge. So

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Speaker 2: in addition to the Chair of the Joint Chiefs of

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Speaker 2: Staff being removed, the Chief of Naval Operations, Admiral Lisa

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Speaker 2: Franchetti also removed. The Air Force Vice chief of Staff,

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Speaker 2: General James Slife also removed. And then in addition to this,

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Speaker 2: in what was I think maybe the most eyebrow raising

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Speaker 2: part of this whole maneuver, the three top lawyers for

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Speaker 2: the Army, Navy, and Air Force, So the top JAG

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Speaker 2: lawyers for those three service branches were all fired as well.

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Speaker 4: Obviously, you know this raises.

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Speaker 2: Questions, why do you want to get rid of the

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Speaker 2: top lawyers in these various for these various branches.

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Speaker 4: Of the military.

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Speaker 2: And Pete Hegsath, who of course is nown Secretary of Defense,

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Speaker 2: was pressed on exactly that point on one of the

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Speaker 2: Sunday shows. Let's take a listen to that for.

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Speaker 7: People to may not know, I mean, they give advice

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Speaker 7: to the military about what is lawful and what isn't.

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Speaker 7: Not surprisingly, there's been some backlash to those who are

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Speaker 7: worried about their removal. One Georgetown law Professor says this

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Speaker 7: Trump also firing the Army, Navy, and Air Force jags.

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Speaker 7: In some ways, that's even more chilling than firing the

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Speaker 7: four stars. It's what you do when you're planning to

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Speaker 7: break the law. You get rid of any lawyers who

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Speaker 7: might try to slow you down.

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Speaker 4: Your response to her.

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Speaker 8: I don't know who Rosa is and what her hyperbole

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Speaker 8: is all about. Ultimately, we want lawyers who give sound

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Speaker 8: constitutional advice and don't exist to attempt to be roadblocks

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Speaker 8: to anything anything that happens in their spots. What we

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Speaker 8: know about these t jags are called t jags inside

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Speaker 8: the military. Traditionally they've been elected by each other or

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Speaker 8: chosen by each other, which is exactly how it works

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Speaker 8: often with the chairman as well, small group of insulated

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Speaker 8: officers who perpetuate the status quo. Well, guess what status

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Speaker 8: quo hasn't worked very well at the Pentagon. It's time

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Speaker 8: for fresh blood.

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Speaker 2: So one of the things we know about Hegxeth because

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Speaker 2: he's written about it and also because of his public advocacy,

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Speaker 2: is he has pushed for their to be fewer limits

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Speaker 2: on what he calls war fighters in terms of you know,

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Speaker 2: following the rules of war. He went to the mat

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Speaker 2: for a number of people who had been either indicted

872
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:14,520
Speaker 2: or convicted of war crimes, one of whom was turned

873
00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:18,879
Speaker 2: in by his own soldiers underneath him for what he had,

874
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:21,240
Speaker 2: you know, what he had done while he was in battle.

875
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:24,719
Speaker 2: And so for him to push these individuals down, I

876
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:28,360
Speaker 2: think it's pretty consistent with his desire to I guess

877
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:30,840
Speaker 2: the polite way would say it would be like loosen

878
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:33,879
Speaker 2: the rules of engagement. It's very much what you heard

879
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:36,600
Speaker 2: kind of, you know, way back in the Vietnam era,

880
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:39,000
Speaker 2: there was this sense of oh, if we let, you know,

881
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:41,880
Speaker 2: our guys do what they do, then we would have

882
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:44,720
Speaker 2: been more successful there. You also heard it from Pete Hegseth,

883
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:46,560
Speaker 2: you know, in the context of the Iraq war, which

884
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:50,600
Speaker 2: he supported up until shockingly recently, that you know, you

885
00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:54,840
Speaker 2: needed to let them be more you know, have fewer

886
00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:58,600
Speaker 2: rules of engagement and effectively like green light more war crimes.

887
00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:01,279
Speaker 2: So it's consistent with that. Also, the moves I think

888
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:04,799
Speaker 2: overall are consistent with you know, Trump wants to make

889
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:08,520
Speaker 2: sure that the people who are at the top of

890
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:11,360
Speaker 2: these chains of command that they're going to do whatever

891
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:14,640
Speaker 2: he wants them to. Do whether those whether that pertains

892
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:17,080
Speaker 2: to executing on his foreign policy, which I think he

893
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:21,239
Speaker 2: feels justifiably that he was stymied at times by the

894
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:24,759
Speaker 2: top brass, or whether it comes to executing orders that

895
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:29,680
Speaker 2: would be unlawful or unconstitutional, as when he wanted to,

896
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:32,640
Speaker 2: you know, shoot protesters in the legs during the Black

897
00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:37,160
Speaker 2: Lives Matter protests and riots, and the current chair of

898
00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:39,240
Speaker 2: the Joint Chess of Stavas, Mark Esper, at that point

899
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:40,560
Speaker 2: was like, we're not doing that.

900
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:41,760
Speaker 4: So I think it's.

901
00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:45,840
Speaker 2: Importantly Yeah, Milly was, Yeah, they were both involved.

902
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:49,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, Look, I mean my main thing is this traces

903
00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:51,759
Speaker 3: back to I have sympathy. There are a lot of

904
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:54,440
Speaker 3: GWAT veterans who watched the show, and in a sense

905
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:57,480
Speaker 3: they're not wrong in that they were constrained because they

906
00:42:57,640 --> 00:43:01,560
Speaker 3: were basically put into a situation where they became State

907
00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:04,640
Speaker 3: Department diplomats in his job that they never signed up

908
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:07,200
Speaker 3: for nation building and others that was not sold to

909
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:10,560
Speaker 3: the American public. So you have these guys National guardsmen

910
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:14,200
Speaker 3: who were previously cops in Kansas, who are trying to

911
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:18,399
Speaker 3: negotiate between two rival sheiks who are literally at war

912
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:21,640
Speaker 3: over which boy they get to sexually molessed and they're like,

913
00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:23,120
Speaker 3: what the hell am I doing here?

914
00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:23,359
Speaker 1: Right?

915
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:26,319
Speaker 3: So in a way they're right in terms of a

916
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:29,120
Speaker 3: lot of the way that the jag Officer Corps at

917
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:30,920
Speaker 3: all of that this was under my crystal. It's kind

918
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:34,080
Speaker 3: of the hr buification of the military is they put

919
00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:37,719
Speaker 3: an intense amount of restrictions on people whose job was

920
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:39,800
Speaker 3: not to do this in the first place. This is

921
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:42,640
Speaker 3: where I sympathize with the Vietnam vets and with the

922
00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:45,080
Speaker 3: g Want Vets in terms of their like, look, we

923
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:46,600
Speaker 3: didn't know what our job was or was it was

924
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:49,160
Speaker 3: to kill the enemy or was it to negotiate, you know,

925
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:51,960
Speaker 3: with all this bullshit between these tribal leaders, and then

926
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:53,640
Speaker 3: train a bunch of guys who are the most corrupt

927
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:56,399
Speaker 3: police force literally on planet Earth in Afghanistan.

928
00:43:56,480 --> 00:43:58,719
Speaker 1: So I don't I.

929
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:01,920
Speaker 3: Sympathize with Pete on this simply because that is the

930
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:05,399
Speaker 3: overwhelming feeling of how betrayed many of the people there are.

931
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:07,840
Speaker 3: In terms of the four stars CeCu Brown, everything I

932
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:10,800
Speaker 3: did in terms of research, this guy's mediocre at best

933
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:14,120
Speaker 3: and basically just a complete representation of the four star

934
00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:18,800
Speaker 3: bureaucracy inside of the Pentagon terrible f thirty five review

935
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:23,000
Speaker 3: over the program. Literally like a DEI person in that

936
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:25,840
Speaker 3: nobody could say anything about his track record as a

937
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:27,600
Speaker 3: general except for, oh, he's black.

938
00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:29,440
Speaker 1: It's like, okay, well, what did he do?

939
00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:32,960
Speaker 3: I read a twenty twenty three dissent against his nomination

940
00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:35,840
Speaker 3: which went through his background at the Air Force, not

941
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:39,399
Speaker 3: a single major, remarkable thing. He was basically promoted because

942
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:42,120
Speaker 3: of his race under Lloyd Austin's like, okay, well, so

943
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:44,600
Speaker 3: I have no problem with him getting fired. I think

944
00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:46,439
Speaker 3: really what it comes down to is the Mark Milly

945
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:49,520
Speaker 3: stuff that you talked about previously, which is that Trump

946
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:53,120
Speaker 3: correctly saw how James Mattison, Mark Milly and the previous

947
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:56,680
Speaker 3: Joint chiefs all basically worked to steymy his direct and

948
00:44:56,760 --> 00:44:59,960
Speaker 3: lawful orders, for example, like saying pulling out of Seria,

949
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:02,839
Speaker 3: negotiating with the Taliban. These are the people who worked

950
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:05,480
Speaker 3: inside the bureaucracy to keep it from happening. One of

951
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:09,160
Speaker 3: the main reasons he picked Headsets Hegsat's entire formation as

952
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:12,080
Speaker 3: a member of the United States military was joining because

953
00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:13,000
Speaker 3: he believed in Iraq.

954
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:14,480
Speaker 1: Obviously that was bad.

955
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:17,480
Speaker 3: But while being inside of the bureaucracy watching both the

956
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:20,720
Speaker 3: constraining at the political and at the legal level, trying

957
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:23,040
Speaker 3: to turn the Pentagon into something that it's not supposed

958
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:25,920
Speaker 3: to be, both in terms of a social experiment through DII,

959
00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:28,719
Speaker 3: which CQ. Brown, by the way, literally on record talking

960
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:30,600
Speaker 3: about how he would put his thumb on the scales

961
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:33,600
Speaker 3: to promote more black officers. I just think that's totally

962
00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:36,040
Speaker 3: counter to what Trump ran on. So I don't care

963
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:38,680
Speaker 3: whatsoever that he got fired with the jag stuff. It

964
00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:41,759
Speaker 3: also very much fits with Hegsat's view of the military

965
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:44,920
Speaker 3: and his overall war on Pentagon bureaucracy. So I mean,

966
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:46,719
Speaker 3: currently I don't have an issue with this. I was

967
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:49,680
Speaker 3: looking to Pete has told the Department to prepare for

968
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:53,239
Speaker 3: major budget cuts. Great, let's do it. Let's cut even

969
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:56,359
Speaker 3: more four star generals. The commonly held thing that Pete

970
00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:58,719
Speaker 3: often talks about is the number of four stars that

971
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:01,240
Speaker 3: we have today as opposed to the actual winning fighters

972
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:03,680
Speaker 3: of World War Two. And I think he's completely correct

973
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:06,919
Speaker 3: in terms of the explosion of all of the bureaucracy

974
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:09,680
Speaker 3: inside of the Pentagon, where, in the words of Steve

975
00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:12,080
Speaker 3: Mannon the real budgets a trillion, we could lop a

976
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:14,080
Speaker 3: hundred billion off the top, and not all that much

977
00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:15,120
Speaker 3: would happened over there.

978
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:16,000
Speaker 4: Here's what I would say.

979
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:17,960
Speaker 2: I think it's insane to imagine that the problem in

980
00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:20,560
Speaker 2: I Rock was that we were too protective of civilians

981
00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:21,520
Speaker 2: or in Afghanistan.

982
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:23,799
Speaker 3: But do you understand how they get there, Like in

983
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:26,400
Speaker 3: terms of their sent over there, what they think is

984
00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:29,040
Speaker 3: to kill terrorists. They show up and they're like, well,

985
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:32,239
Speaker 3: we're supposed to. The brass tells you kill the terrorists,

986
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:33,160
Speaker 3: but you need to have.

987
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:35,120
Speaker 1: Eyes on him. He needs to be shooting at you.

988
00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:36,719
Speaker 3: And at the very same time you need to not

989
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:38,800
Speaker 3: disrupt that civilians the job.

990
00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:41,879
Speaker 2: Of a soldier, no, but really just to give you

991
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:43,839
Speaker 2: a specific so I mean, which is part of why

992
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:48,560
Speaker 2: you want good JAG officers to advise you on the

993
00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:52,040
Speaker 2: rules of war and to make sure you're not just

994
00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:55,160
Speaker 2: blanket massacring civilians, which did happen at times. I mean,

995
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:56,640
Speaker 2: one of the guys that he went to bat for,

996
00:46:56,719 --> 00:46:59,319
Speaker 2: which is the one that I said, his own men

997
00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:04,040
Speaker 2: turn him in. He instructed them to fire on a

998
00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:08,799
Speaker 2: group of civilians that they knew were civilians, and after

999
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:11,279
Speaker 2: the fact tried to cover it up by saying, oh, well,

1000
00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:14,920
Speaker 2: we weren't able after the fact to check them for weapons,

1001
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:18,440
Speaker 2: so we really don't know. So again, it was his

1002
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:21,879
Speaker 2: own like the soldiers who were serving under him, who

1003
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:24,360
Speaker 2: did not want to execute that order because they knew

1004
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:27,600
Speaker 2: it was just a slaughter of civilians, who turned him in.

1005
00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:32,040
Speaker 2: And then he's found guilty and heg Seth add Gates

1006
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:34,960
Speaker 2: Warm goes to that gets Trump to pardon him, even

1007
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:37,320
Speaker 2: though you know, it was quite clear and getting was

1008
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:40,000
Speaker 2: found guilty by Jervispeers, turned in by his own men

1009
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:42,960
Speaker 2: that he had just gone out and slaughtered civilians. So,

1010
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:46,320
Speaker 2: you know, I just I don't think that that's acceptable.

1011
00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:47,680
Speaker 2: I don't think that's the way that we should be

1012
00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:50,040
Speaker 2: conducting ourselves. I don't think that that helped. That type

1013
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:52,919
Speaker 2: of you know, just brutality towards civilians helped us either

1014
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:54,800
Speaker 2: in Iraq and Afghanistan. Of course, we never should have

1015
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:56,480
Speaker 2: been there in the first place. And the fact that

1016
00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:59,640
Speaker 2: Pete Hegseth was in favor of the Iraq war long

1017
00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:02,480
Speaker 2: after even you know, some of Hillary Clinton and some

1018
00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:04,840
Speaker 2: of the most died inable neocons had said, you know,

1019
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:08,359
Speaker 2: this wasn't a great idea. Does not really particularly recommend him.

1020
00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:10,800
Speaker 2: So you know, the other thing I would say about

1021
00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:13,600
Speaker 2: the Chair of the Joint Chiefs here, who you know,

1022
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:15,879
Speaker 2: I don't have a lot of specific knowledge about him.

1023
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:17,880
Speaker 2: I know hag Seth, and his book didn't really offer

1024
00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:22,239
Speaker 2: a lot of analysis about why he suspected that he

1025
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:25,920
Speaker 2: wasn't sort of deserving or you know, meritorious of this

1026
00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:28,799
Speaker 2: particular position. It seemed to be just an assumption like, well,

1027
00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:31,520
Speaker 2: he's black, so he must not deserve it. But putting

1028
00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:35,640
Speaker 2: that is send But I think it probably is true.

1029
00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:39,360
Speaker 3: I think it's pretty single thing St. Q.

1030
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:40,839
Speaker 1: Brown did before he was.

1031
00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:43,600
Speaker 4: But sorry, that's the thing. Here's the thing.

1032
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:45,919
Speaker 2: I think it's very difficult to argue that the guy

1033
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:48,319
Speaker 2: that they're putting in now is there out of quote

1034
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:51,680
Speaker 2: unquote merit. I mean, it's really clear Trump is putting

1035
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:54,800
Speaker 2: him in place because he thinks he's a Trump maggot.

1036
00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:57,440
Speaker 2: Diehard will do whatever he wants. And I'm not just

1037
00:48:57,520 --> 00:49:00,440
Speaker 2: talking about, you know, executing his lawful orders with regard

1038
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:03,719
Speaker 2: to Siria or whatever. I'm talking about even if he

1039
00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:08,160
Speaker 2: wants to use the military in ways that would be unconstitutional,

1040
00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:10,960
Speaker 2: unlawful and yes, fascist, that this would be the guy

1041
00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:13,319
Speaker 2: who would greenlight those sorts of things, and you know,

1042
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:17,160
Speaker 2: to bolster that point, Trump has long been telling stories

1043
00:49:17,239 --> 00:49:20,320
Speaker 2: about this guy, claiming he put on a maga hat

1044
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:22,680
Speaker 2: and said, I love you, sir, I think your great, sir.

1045
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:26,480
Speaker 2: I'll kill for you, sir. He is he actually has

1046
00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:29,279
Speaker 2: to get a waiver in order to be elevated to

1047
00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:32,960
Speaker 2: this position because he doesn't meet the technical qualifications you're

1048
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:35,360
Speaker 2: supposed to have for this job. So the idea of

1049
00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:37,279
Speaker 2: this is like just about merit. I think it's kind

1050
00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:40,080
Speaker 2: of preposterous. I think it's preposterous for many of the positions.

1051
00:49:39,719 --> 00:49:43,600
Speaker 3: Now we worship at the altar four star generalship and say, oh, well,

1052
00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:44,480
Speaker 3: he's not on star.

1053
00:49:45,080 --> 00:49:45,760
Speaker 4: I'm just saying.

1054
00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:48,400
Speaker 2: I'm just saying that if you're trying to argue that

1055
00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:51,080
Speaker 2: he's being put in place because of merit, I think

1056
00:49:51,080 --> 00:49:52,880
Speaker 2: that is relatively preposterous.

1057
00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:55,080
Speaker 3: Honestly, what I am arguing is that I don't care

1058
00:49:55,120 --> 00:49:57,640
Speaker 3: about the I don't think most people care either, whether

1059
00:49:57,680 --> 00:50:01,560
Speaker 3: somebody is quote like a check all boxes of having

1060
00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:05,160
Speaker 3: satisfied military bureaucracy up to the four star level so

1061
00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:07,440
Speaker 3: that they can get their nice little stamp of approval

1062
00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:09,719
Speaker 3: for jo Chairman of the jointies. By the way, see

1063
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:11,960
Speaker 3: Q Brown will be just fine. Give Raithian or Lockheed

1064
00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:14,680
Speaker 3: literally tomorrow. Okay, so we all know how that worked.

1065
00:50:14,719 --> 00:50:17,200
Speaker 3: I'm not going to dispute. I don't actually know a

1066
00:50:17,239 --> 00:50:19,400
Speaker 3: ton about this new guy. I've been trying to read

1067
00:50:19,560 --> 00:50:21,160
Speaker 3: about Kane. But why don't we play the clip of

1068
00:50:21,160 --> 00:50:22,719
Speaker 3: Trump talking about Kane before we weigh in.

1069
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:23,520
Speaker 1: Let's take a listen.

1070
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:28,680
Speaker 6: A general, another general, a colonel, a staff sergeant. Could

1071
00:50:28,719 --> 00:50:32,359
Speaker 6: be in any movie. These guys, it's like perfect. They're

1072
00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:35,799
Speaker 6: like perfect individuals. If I were casting a movie on

1073
00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:38,160
Speaker 6: the military, I would pick these guys. There's nobody you

1074
00:50:38,200 --> 00:50:41,640
Speaker 6: could hire in Hollywood that looks like this. So I

1075
00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:46,000
Speaker 6: walked down and this is where I met General Raisin Kane.

1076
00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:47,359
Speaker 1: And what's your name?

1077
00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:50,000
Speaker 6: General, what's your name? And he gave me his name,

1078
00:50:50,080 --> 00:50:50,760
Speaker 6: what's your name.

1079
00:50:50,680 --> 00:50:51,680
Speaker 3: Sergeant, sir?

1080
00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:54,879
Speaker 6: And I love you, sir, think you're sir. I'll kill

1081
00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:59,840
Speaker 6: for you, sir. Then he puts on a make America

1082
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:03,759
Speaker 6: right again. You're not allowed to do that, but they did.

1083
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:05,920
Speaker 6: I remember I went into the Hangar and there were

1084
00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:08,520
Speaker 6: a lot of there were hundreds of troops and they're

1085
00:51:08,560 --> 00:51:10,200
Speaker 6: not supposed to do this, but they all put on

1086
00:51:10,239 --> 00:51:11,520
Speaker 6: the make America great again.

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Speaker 2: Well, so that's what Trump has said, there's this qualification

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00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:19,799
Speaker 2: for the job, and you can't like this is what

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00:51:20,120 --> 00:51:21,399
Speaker 2: this is why Trump picked.

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Speaker 3: Do I think Trump is mister Merritt and wants all

1091
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Speaker 3: of this stuff?

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Speaker 1: No? Do I think that Pete Hegsath and them do. Yes.

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Speaker 3: Actually they have a much longer track record of being

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00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:36,400
Speaker 3: against military bureaucracy, of restoring the Pentagon to its singular purpose.

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Speaker 1: And you know, to counter what you.

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Speaker 3: Were talking about early, because I think this is very important,

1097
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:41,799
Speaker 3: is you were saying that's the job of soldier. The

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00:51:41,840 --> 00:51:44,080
Speaker 3: problem is that we made that the job of the

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00:51:44,120 --> 00:51:46,320
Speaker 3: soldier when it's not actually the job. The job of

1100
00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:48,479
Speaker 3: the soldier is to win and to fight a war.

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00:51:48,560 --> 00:51:50,719
Speaker 3: It's the job of the State Department and of the

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Speaker 3: presidents and others to not put people in a situation

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00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:57,280
Speaker 3: which is actually counter to their job description. From Should

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00:51:57,320 --> 00:52:00,279
Speaker 3: nineteen year olds from Topeka really be negotiating, you know,

1105
00:52:00,520 --> 00:52:02,080
Speaker 3: tribal warfare between them?

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Speaker 1: Absolutely not. Well, again, this problem with the entire mission.

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Speaker 2: Back to you know, you're right, obviously we should never

1108
00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:14,640
Speaker 2: have been there at all period. But when you look

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00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:17,520
Speaker 2: at a track record of judgment. Pete Hegseth has had

1110
00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:19,960
Speaker 2: a very bad one. You know, he was he was

1111
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:22,440
Speaker 2: wrong about Iraq, he was wrong about Afghanistan, he was

1112
00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:25,960
Speaker 2: wrong about Ukraine up until very recently. So you know,

1113
00:52:26,040 --> 00:52:29,200
Speaker 2: if you're looking for someone who but you know, what

1114
00:52:29,239 --> 00:52:33,359
Speaker 2: matters most is that you took the correct position when

1115
00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:36,000
Speaker 2: it was hard to do, when it was unpopular, when

1116
00:52:36,040 --> 00:52:39,160
Speaker 2: it didn't serve your political and career interests. He does

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00:52:39,200 --> 00:52:40,920
Speaker 2: not have a track record of that. He has a

1118
00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:42,960
Speaker 2: track record of being I want to go, and even more,

1119
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:44,839
Speaker 2: I want to send even more people in. I want

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Speaker 2: to go to even get us involved in even more wars.

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Speaker 2: So I certainly don't trust him on that front. But yes,

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00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:53,680
Speaker 2: once you're there, part of the job of the soldier

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Speaker 2: is to is to try to protect the civilian populations

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Speaker 2: that are in the area.

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Speaker 3: Did I'm not arguing that they shouldn't have. What I'm

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00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:04,320
Speaker 3: saying is the reason why they felt. This is the

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00:53:04,360 --> 00:53:06,719
Speaker 3: thing again that people need to remember the rules of

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00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:10,239
Speaker 3: engagement would change on an almost yearly basis in Afghanistan

1129
00:53:10,280 --> 00:53:13,440
Speaker 3: as to whatever the political mission was. First it was

1130
00:53:13,560 --> 00:53:16,040
Speaker 3: light up the Taliban, then it was McCrystal came in.

1131
00:53:16,239 --> 00:53:20,240
Speaker 3: Then Obama fires my Crystal, and it changes again, literally

1132
00:53:20,280 --> 00:53:22,520
Speaker 3: on a year by year basis. The type of shots

1133
00:53:22,560 --> 00:53:24,920
Speaker 3: that you could take were completely up in the air.

1134
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:26,520
Speaker 3: They'd have to call up to the chain of comand

1135
00:53:26,560 --> 00:53:28,400
Speaker 3: they had no idea what they were doing. There's a

1136
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:31,360
Speaker 3: book Jake Tapper wrote, there's a movie as well. I

1137
00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:33,719
Speaker 3: think I'm blanking on the name at the outpost. That's

1138
00:53:33,719 --> 00:53:35,880
Speaker 3: what it is. People should watch it in terms of

1139
00:53:35,960 --> 00:53:37,720
Speaker 3: what it actually was like for people when they're getting

1140
00:53:37,719 --> 00:53:41,800
Speaker 3: ambushed within those rules of engagement now obviously, and none

1141
00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:46,120
Speaker 3: of them would dispute they're want to protect the civilian population.

1142
00:53:46,200 --> 00:53:48,080
Speaker 3: That's not it at all. As far as the Gallagher

1143
00:53:48,120 --> 00:53:51,320
Speaker 3: current case, I recommend there's a book called Alpha about

1144
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:52,520
Speaker 3: Eddie Gallagher.

1145
00:53:52,560 --> 00:53:54,280
Speaker 1: It's very anti Eddie Gallagher.

1146
00:53:54,320 --> 00:53:55,719
Speaker 3: If you want the case for why I should have

1147
00:53:55,719 --> 00:53:57,839
Speaker 3: been convicted, there's a lot of stuff online you can

1148
00:53:57,880 --> 00:54:00,160
Speaker 3: go and read against it. It's a lot more complica

1149
00:54:00,320 --> 00:54:02,400
Speaker 3: then people think. I will say that in terms of

1150
00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:05,319
Speaker 3: whether he should have been convicted or not, I'm still up.

1151
00:54:05,239 --> 00:54:06,560
Speaker 1: In the air in terms of what I've read about

1152
00:54:06,560 --> 00:54:06,879
Speaker 1: the case.

1153
00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:09,879
Speaker 3: But the point that I come back to is that

1154
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:11,400
Speaker 3: if you're going to get into a war, and this

1155
00:54:11,480 --> 00:54:13,480
Speaker 3: was what the Vietnam people would often say too, is

1156
00:54:13,480 --> 00:54:14,920
Speaker 3: if we're going to get into a war, then we

1157
00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:16,080
Speaker 3: have to be able to fight. Now. I don't think

1158
00:54:16,080 --> 00:54:18,040
Speaker 3: we should have gotten in those wars in the first place,

1159
00:54:18,200 --> 00:54:20,759
Speaker 3: and we should if before we light it up. If

1160
00:54:20,760 --> 00:54:23,480
Speaker 3: it's not capable, if you're not capable to win purely

1161
00:54:23,520 --> 00:54:25,960
Speaker 3: through military means, then you should not be fighting in

1162
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:28,600
Speaker 3: the first place. You shouldn't turn these people into these

1163
00:54:28,840 --> 00:54:31,439
Speaker 3: quasi diplomats. But then at the same time tell them

1164
00:54:31,640 --> 00:54:33,719
Speaker 3: that their war fighters. And I think that gets to

1165
00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:36,680
Speaker 3: the actual crux of Hegsett's ideology.

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Speaker 1: Just in terms of everything.

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00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:40,520
Speaker 3: I've listened to the guy and I can't say I

1168
00:54:40,560 --> 00:54:43,280
Speaker 3: disagree with him at all, which is, don't get involved

1169
00:54:43,320 --> 00:54:45,480
Speaker 3: if you're not going to do it the way that

1170
00:54:45,520 --> 00:54:46,160
Speaker 3: you're supposed to.

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00:54:46,360 --> 00:54:49,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I just func mentally dispute the idea that

1172
00:54:49,520 --> 00:54:52,240
Speaker 2: like if we had had more gloves off and killed

1173
00:54:52,239 --> 00:54:55,279
Speaker 2: the billions, had more collateral damage, then it would have

1174
00:54:55,280 --> 00:54:58,000
Speaker 2: gone better for us in Iraq and Afghanistan.

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Speaker 1: I know you're exactly right, all are.

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00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:02,720
Speaker 2: Opposite of the case, but that is Pete Hegsas's position

1177
00:55:03,080 --> 00:55:04,960
Speaker 2: is that we should have been more gloves off. I

1178
00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:08,319
Speaker 2: mean the case I'm talking about, this guy knew these

1179
00:55:08,320 --> 00:55:11,160
Speaker 2: were civilians and he was like kill them and tried

1180
00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:13,560
Speaker 2: to cover it up after the fact, hide the weapons,

1181
00:55:13,680 --> 00:55:16,600
Speaker 2: Like we weren't able to go and check and see

1182
00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:18,520
Speaker 2: if they had weapons so that they could have plausible

1183
00:55:18,560 --> 00:55:23,920
Speaker 2: deniability that they just mass murdered civilians. And it was not,

1184
00:55:24,120 --> 00:55:26,200
Speaker 2: you know, it was actually the people who were lower

1185
00:55:26,239 --> 00:55:28,880
Speaker 2: on the totem pole, who were probably less experienced, who

1186
00:55:28,920 --> 00:55:30,000
Speaker 2: were like this was wrong.

1187
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Speaker 4: And by the way, the just one.

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Speaker 2: Last thing on this and we can get into this

1189
00:55:35,360 --> 00:55:37,319
Speaker 2: last piece of with regard to you know, the dude

1190
00:55:37,360 --> 00:55:40,600
Speaker 2: who's now the chair of the Joint Chiefs. Those rules

1191
00:55:40,680 --> 00:55:43,640
Speaker 2: are not just put in place for protecting other civilians.

1192
00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:47,000
Speaker 2: It's also put in place so that our war fighters

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00:55:47,600 --> 00:55:50,919
Speaker 2: can live with themselves afterwards, so that they can come

1194
00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:53,400
Speaker 2: home and be able to go back to a normal

1195
00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:55,960
Speaker 2: life and not be completely traumatized by the things that

1196
00:55:56,040 --> 00:55:59,320
Speaker 2: they did. And you know, inevitably, when you have humans

1197
00:55:59,360 --> 00:56:01,799
Speaker 2: killing other humans, it's going to be a horrific and

1198
00:56:01,840 --> 00:56:05,880
Speaker 2: traumatizing experience, no doubt about that. But if you feel

1199
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Speaker 2: like you conducted yourself honorably, and that the you know,

1200
00:56:09,160 --> 00:56:11,520
Speaker 2: expectation was you were just killing the bad guys. You

1201
00:56:11,560 --> 00:56:14,279
Speaker 2: weren't just going out and like murdering whatever civilians happen

1202
00:56:14,360 --> 00:56:16,799
Speaker 2: into your path because some psycho who was above you

1203
00:56:16,920 --> 00:56:19,680
Speaker 2: was ordering you to do that. Like that's also protection

1204
00:56:19,880 --> 00:56:23,279
Speaker 2: for our own soldiers. And I don't think, you know,

1205
00:56:23,360 --> 00:56:26,879
Speaker 2: I think the firing of these JAG officers, the top

1206
00:56:26,960 --> 00:56:30,040
Speaker 2: lawyers in these three services indicates, you know, he has

1207
00:56:30,160 --> 00:56:33,200
Speaker 2: no respect for that whatsoever. Obviously that's what he's written

1208
00:56:33,280 --> 00:56:36,120
Speaker 2: in the past. And I also think, you know, again,

1209
00:56:36,200 --> 00:56:40,200
Speaker 2: the overall program here. Yes, it may be something about

1210
00:56:40,280 --> 00:56:43,759
Speaker 2: the bureaucracy and making sure that even the lawful orders

1211
00:56:43,760 --> 00:56:47,640
Speaker 2: are properly executed. Fine, but I think at core, as

1212
00:56:47,719 --> 00:56:50,959
Speaker 2: judging by the way Trump himself describes who's put in here,

1213
00:56:51,239 --> 00:56:53,359
Speaker 2: it really is about making sure this is someone who

1214
00:56:53,360 --> 00:56:56,080
Speaker 2: will do whatever I say, no matter what it is,

1215
00:56:56,160 --> 00:56:59,440
Speaker 2: whether it is legal or illegal or somewhere in between,

1216
00:57:00,160 --> 00:57:03,239
Speaker 2: going to execute on my orders. And the last piece

1217
00:57:03,280 --> 00:57:05,560
Speaker 2: of this is this was pulled up, so this is

1218
00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:08,000
Speaker 2: this is kind of weird. I just put this out there.

1219
00:57:08,080 --> 00:57:10,399
Speaker 2: Make of it what you will. The new guy who

1220
00:57:10,440 --> 00:57:14,120
Speaker 2: got put in Dan Kine. He had just retired from

1221
00:57:14,120 --> 00:57:16,200
Speaker 2: the military, so they're pulling him back out. And I'm

1222
00:57:16,200 --> 00:57:20,560
Speaker 2: talking about like just retired in January. Immediately after he retires.

1223
00:57:20,960 --> 00:57:23,440
Speaker 2: Oh look, if he gets snatched up by three different

1224
00:57:23,440 --> 00:57:27,520
Speaker 2: crypto firms, one of them in particular, Thrive Capital, was

1225
00:57:27,680 --> 00:57:32,480
Speaker 2: founded by Jared Kushner's brother Joshua, had an investment by

1226
00:57:32,520 --> 00:57:34,760
Speaker 2: Peter Teel, and also let a funding round for Open

1227
00:57:34,800 --> 00:57:38,600
Speaker 2: Ai in twenty twenty four. And so you know, the

1228
00:57:38,680 --> 00:57:44,360
Speaker 2: other thing that Trump gets out of selecting this individual

1229
00:57:44,560 --> 00:57:48,520
Speaker 2: for this position is number one. I mean, how much

1230
00:57:48,520 --> 00:57:50,360
Speaker 2: money did he make while he was there? Like is

1231
00:57:50,360 --> 00:57:53,280
Speaker 2: he now responsible for sort of like his financial security?

1232
00:57:53,680 --> 00:57:58,040
Speaker 2: But certainly he would never have ascended to anything like

1233
00:57:58,480 --> 00:58:02,080
Speaker 2: this level in term of his career. He just retired

1234
00:58:02,520 --> 00:58:05,400
Speaker 2: without Trump. So he owes Trump everything is what I'm

1235
00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:08,120
Speaker 2: trying to say. And so that again speaks to this

1236
00:58:08,240 --> 00:58:10,960
Speaker 2: part of I want you to be loyal, no matter

1237
00:58:11,000 --> 00:58:13,320
Speaker 2: what I ask you to do, and I think he

1238
00:58:13,400 --> 00:58:15,480
Speaker 2: feels like with Dan Kaine, that's what he's getting.

1239
00:58:15,640 --> 00:58:18,320
Speaker 3: So Cain, first of all, I will just say this,

1240
00:58:18,680 --> 00:58:21,439
Speaker 3: this is not a pro Kaine argument. They all glow

1241
00:58:21,520 --> 00:58:26,280
Speaker 3: out and join crypto cybersecurity firms and or prime contractors

1242
00:58:26,320 --> 00:58:26,640
Speaker 3: after that.

1243
00:58:26,720 --> 00:58:28,040
Speaker 1: So he's not particularly they are.

1244
00:58:28,080 --> 00:58:30,040
Speaker 2: They all started by Jared Kushner's brother.

1245
00:58:30,120 --> 00:58:31,040
Speaker 1: However, right Capital?

1246
00:58:31,200 --> 00:58:34,040
Speaker 3: Ye, yes, does Joshua Kushner own a stake in thrit

1247
00:58:34,040 --> 00:58:35,840
Speaker 3: But but this is what I'm saying in terms of

1248
00:58:36,040 --> 00:58:37,920
Speaker 3: if you look at the board seats for all of

1249
00:58:37,960 --> 00:58:38,760
Speaker 3: these people.

1250
00:58:38,680 --> 00:58:40,280
Speaker 1: What's the first thing that they all go out and do.

1251
00:58:40,480 --> 00:58:42,240
Speaker 3: And by the way, Jim Mattis literally was on the

1252
00:58:42,240 --> 00:58:44,880
Speaker 3: board of Pharahos if we all recall so to show,

1253
00:58:45,280 --> 00:58:48,040
Speaker 3: just to show folks saying how this all works, Trace

1254
00:58:48,160 --> 00:58:49,360
Speaker 3: is at KKR Capital.

1255
00:58:49,480 --> 00:58:52,160
Speaker 2: I could go on it's an accident that he gets

1256
00:58:52,360 --> 00:58:54,959
Speaker 2: snatched up and hired and who knows how much money

1257
00:58:54,960 --> 00:58:57,640
Speaker 2: he makes in this short period of time from a

1258
00:58:57,680 --> 00:59:00,080
Speaker 2: firm that is connected both to Peter Teel and to

1259
00:59:00,120 --> 00:59:00,520
Speaker 2: Jared Cuk.

1260
00:59:00,600 --> 00:59:02,880
Speaker 3: I actually don't think it's the Teal connection. Everything I've

1261
00:59:02,880 --> 00:59:05,000
Speaker 3: been able to read is that Trump met this guy

1262
00:59:05,080 --> 00:59:07,160
Speaker 3: six years ago in Iraq and was like, man, I

1263
00:59:07,240 --> 00:59:07,600
Speaker 3: just love it.

1264
00:59:07,640 --> 00:59:10,280
Speaker 2: No, I'm not saying that, I'm saying that this means

1265
00:59:10,360 --> 00:59:13,680
Speaker 2: that so he retires, he has a short window of

1266
00:59:13,720 --> 00:59:16,080
Speaker 2: time to go on the private sector and make bank

1267
00:59:16,400 --> 00:59:18,360
Speaker 2: and guess who shows up at his door to be like,

1268
00:59:18,680 --> 00:59:20,960
Speaker 2: we will pay you. We don't know how much, however

1269
00:59:21,040 --> 00:59:24,640
Speaker 2: much happens to be Jared Kushner's brother's firm.

1270
00:59:25,080 --> 00:59:26,600
Speaker 4: Like, that's not an accident.

1271
00:59:26,760 --> 00:59:29,800
Speaker 1: I honestly don't think it's nearly as intentional as you think.

1272
00:59:29,840 --> 00:59:32,160
Speaker 3: I think literally all of these guys, especially because he's

1273
00:59:32,200 --> 00:59:35,480
Speaker 3: a former Air Force person and work flu F sixteen's,

1274
00:59:35,680 --> 00:59:38,320
Speaker 3: is going to go join some space like firm. They

1275
00:59:38,360 --> 00:59:39,880
Speaker 3: all have them on the payroll. This is not a

1276
00:59:39,880 --> 00:59:42,440
Speaker 3: defense of him, per se. This is the entire general

1277
00:59:42,480 --> 00:59:44,120
Speaker 3: offers class. This is the problem.

1278
00:59:44,120 --> 00:59:46,800
Speaker 2: It's just an accident that it's Kushner's brother's firm that

1279
00:59:46,840 --> 00:59:47,880
Speaker 2: happens to give him this man.

1280
00:59:47,960 --> 00:59:50,240
Speaker 3: I don't think it's a quote unquote accident or whatever.

1281
00:59:50,360 --> 00:59:52,440
Speaker 3: I don't know if they necessarily picked him because they

1282
00:59:52,440 --> 00:59:54,760
Speaker 3: thought he was going to be the next chairman. Again,

1283
00:59:54,960 --> 00:59:57,280
Speaker 3: everything I've read is that Trump is obsessed with this

1284
00:59:57,400 --> 00:59:59,920
Speaker 3: dude because of his quote can do attitude from a

1285
01:00:00,080 --> 01:00:03,160
Speaker 3: visit to Iraq six years ago. Maybe because they knew

1286
01:00:03,200 --> 01:00:05,280
Speaker 3: that Trump liked him, they hired him. So I can't,

1287
01:00:05,320 --> 01:00:07,960
Speaker 3: you know, rule that out, per se. But everything I've

1288
01:00:07,960 --> 01:00:10,080
Speaker 3: been able to see from his background as he joined

1289
01:00:10,200 --> 01:00:12,600
Speaker 3: that main firm apparently that was paying him, was this

1290
01:00:12,680 --> 01:00:16,680
Speaker 3: cybersecurity firm in Washington that seems to be like the

1291
01:00:16,720 --> 01:00:18,040
Speaker 3: major source of his funds.

1292
01:00:18,040 --> 01:00:19,880
Speaker 1: I'm not defending any of this. I think it's gross.

1293
01:00:19,880 --> 01:00:21,640
Speaker 3: And this is the problem I have with all of

1294
01:00:21,680 --> 01:00:25,360
Speaker 3: this is the bureaucratization, the corporate basically fusing of the

1295
01:00:25,480 --> 01:00:28,919
Speaker 3: entire general officership. So whoever this guy is, I would

1296
01:00:29,000 --> 01:00:32,400
Speaker 3: really hope that who at least don't keep that ethos

1297
01:00:32,400 --> 01:00:34,360
Speaker 3: whenever you're at the top. But I'm not naive in

1298
01:00:34,440 --> 01:00:37,120
Speaker 3: terms of who and why he got picked. But I

1299
01:00:37,200 --> 01:00:39,760
Speaker 3: don't think that the connection is as solid as people

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Speaker 3: are trying to make.

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Speaker 2: I just think it's very convenient that this man now

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Speaker 2: owes both his career and his wealth to Trump and

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Speaker 2: the Trump family.

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Speaker 3: Okay, but this is where I just well, first of all,

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Speaker 3: I mean not really right, like Joshua Kushner basically denounced.

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Speaker 1: His own brother whenever he was in the White House.

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Speaker 3: And who was he married to the super Harley class

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Speaker 3: or something like that, who is putting out anti Trump stuff.

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Speaker 3: I don't think the connection is as close as you're

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Speaker 3: making it out to be. But again, this is the

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Speaker 3: problem with the systemic corruption around here, Like did people

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Speaker 3: really care when Lloyd Did democrats really care when Lloyd

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Speaker 3: Austin literally coming from prime contractors back into.

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Speaker 1: The Defense Secretary? Not really c Q. Brown.

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Speaker 3: He'll be employed tomorrow by probably the same type of

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Speaker 3: people here because of his past experience. So I just

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Speaker 3: don't think that people have a huge light to stand

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Speaker 3: on in terms of pointing out corruption.

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Speaker 2: It's not just about the care it's about the direct

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Speaker 2: family time. So if we're if my case is he's

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Speaker 2: put in there because of loyalty, and if you have

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Speaker 2: been responsible not only for the career elevation, which is

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Speaker 2: very you know, again, he has to get a waiver

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Speaker 2: to even get put in this position. He had retired,

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Speaker 2: very unusual come back out of retirement like Trump. He

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Speaker 2: owes Trump his career and you have this connection family

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Speaker 2: connection to as well. I'm just saying that if you

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Speaker 2: owe that much to this one person, then that is

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Speaker 2: another attempt to help guarantee that whatever it is that

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Speaker 2: you want to do in the future, this person is

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Speaker 2: going to be loyal no matter why.

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Speaker 1: I see what you're saying.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's probably fair, although I mean he

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Speaker 3: probably was picked for this exact reason specifically be.

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Speaker 1: The person, but this is going to be guarantee.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I just would say, it's not like

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Speaker 3: any person who serves as the Chairman of the Joint

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Speaker 3: Chiefs is ever hard up for money.

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Speaker 1: Literally.

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Speaker 3: Ever, if you go look at all these spaces, you

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Speaker 3: don't need Peter Teel or Joshua Kushner to cut you

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Speaker 3: a check. There's oceans of money here in Northern Virginia

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Speaker 3: to be made for all of them. So I don't

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Speaker 3: think it's nearly as clear cut. And you know, people

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Speaker 3: are going to say that I'm defending this guy. I'm

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Speaker 3: just pointing out how disgusting this entire system is. Every

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Speaker 3: single basically one Star Onward becomes a multi millionaire within

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Speaker 3: a year after a year after they resign, through these boards,

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Speaker 3: through whatever Fox News or CFR contracts and all of this,

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Speaker 3: And unfortunately it is par for the course that we

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Speaker 3: have here. And again, I just don't think that these

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Speaker 3: people have much like to stand on when their literal

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Speaker 3: heroes are doing the exact same thing. So it's like, Okay,

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Speaker 3: you're arguing within a broken system. The next Democratic president

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Speaker 3: is almost certainly going to pick somebody who's also on

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Speaker 3: the board of Lockheed or whatever. It's a systemic problem

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Speaker 3: that we have, and it just makes it probably more

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Speaker 3: cynical in terms of the war over like who's really corrupt,

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Speaker 3: because easily people can point out that it's everyone