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Speaker 1: Thank you and Kim. When you sat down for Thanksgiving,

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Speaker 1: um yesterday or last night when you got home to

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Speaker 1: talk a little ball. Absolutely, So we would just talk

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Speaker 1: to Mick Lombardi, the wide receivers coach, and I asked

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Speaker 1: him about Dante Moncrief and one of the points he

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Speaker 1: made was like, it wasn't just that receiver. You know,

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Speaker 1: he showed up in the special teams room. So maybe

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Speaker 1: you know, it's almost perfect timing with you coming in.

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Speaker 1: What did Dante show your special teams wise that maybe

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Speaker 1: helped him get elevated there. Yeah, you know, he's done

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Speaker 1: a good job for us. You know, if you go

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Speaker 1: the past as well. So you know, you've seen places

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Speaker 1: he's played out there as a gunner. Actually he's played

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Speaker 1: and if they show progress there, this like all right,

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Speaker 1: he did have a productive game for us. Kim coach

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Speaker 1: Jeff Rogers Cardinals special teams, Um, what did they when

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Speaker 1: you study them? What stands out to you in terms

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Speaker 1: You know, when you look at them, you know, Jeff

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Speaker 1: Sin's seventeenth year, he's been doing it a long time

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Speaker 1: And I think the last one, I'm curious about this

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Speaker 1: But he's done a good job. We've got to continue

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Speaker 1: you're at, you know what the hang time's really gonna be.

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Speaker 1: It's in the weather games or you're out side conditions

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Speaker 1: that you're sitting there and I say weather, I'm talking

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Speaker 1: just wind um that you're on the sideline going all right,

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Speaker 1: this one's gonna be probably nine deep, but four four

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Speaker 1: hang time alright? Probably not all right? Well, this one's

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Speaker 1: three eight three nine hang time three deep? Well where's

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Speaker 1: the coverage team in relation to that? So that's why

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Speaker 1: sometimes you may see returns from one direction or not

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Speaker 1: any returns from the other direction as well, you know,

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Speaker 1: and that's just you know, looking at the coverage and

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Speaker 1: the kickers normal pattern before going in that game. What

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Speaker 1: is his average hang time and distance? That doesn't really

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Speaker 1: change on game day unless there's just a significant win

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Speaker 1: and then at that point and boy knows right, you're

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Speaker 1: gonna have to return this or not. Kim, thanks so much.

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Speaker 1: That was a lot. That was really good. I really

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Speaker 1: really appreciate it absolutely like anytime AND's it. Thanks Kim,

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Speaker 1: and thanks in