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Speaker 1: from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio and welcome back

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Speaker 1: to Coast to Coast. Lloyd Auer back back with us.

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Speaker 1: Director of the Office of Paranormal Investigations, President of the

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Speaker 1: Forever Family Foundation. He's been in the field for more

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Speaker 1: than thirty five years, focusing on Paris psychological education and

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Speaker 1: field investigation. He's a professor at Atlantic University JFK University.

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Speaker 1: He teaches Paris psychology and also, of course, he has

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Speaker 1: written a couple of books called esp Hauntings and Poltergeist's

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Speaker 1: esp Wars East and West, an account of the military

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Speaker 1: use of psychic espionage. Lloyd, welcome back, my friend. Thank

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Speaker 1: you very much, George, looking forward to this. Have you

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Speaker 1: been It's been pretty good, actually he's been doing all right.

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Speaker 1: Super Anything new in the world of the paranormal Well,

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Speaker 1: I mean there's always stuff going on in the field

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Speaker 1: of paras psychology, and I can recommend that people really

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Speaker 1: want to check into some really cool stuff. The Society

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Speaker 1: for Psychical Researches website, which is in the UK. They're

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Speaker 1: the oldest organization. They're always a good source for great information,

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Speaker 1: as well as the Rhine Research Center here in the US.

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Speaker 1: He used to be associated with Duke University, and I

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Speaker 1: guess he sprung out a long time ago. Jb Ryan did. Yeah. Actually,

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Speaker 1: the lab closed when he retired from Duke in nineteen

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Speaker 1: sixty five, and then he just moved it off campus

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Speaker 1: and continued on. Then after he died, it was renamed

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Speaker 1: as the Rhine Research Center. Super Now, what exactly is

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Speaker 1: parapsychololoid Well, Parapsychology is the study of psychic phenomena, how

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Speaker 1: the human mind, how consciousness, connects with the world around

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Speaker 1: us in ways we call psychic, which includes extrasensory perception,

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Speaker 1: mind over matter, and of course the idea of consciousness surviving,

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Speaker 1: the death of the body, survival of bodily death. So

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Speaker 1: that kind of runs the gamut from est all the

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Speaker 1: way up to ghosts and Holdergeyson. Now, how does that

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Speaker 1: compare to the paranormal world. Well, you know, the word

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Speaker 1: paranormal has been used since the eighteen hundreds by folks

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Speaker 1: in the field of paras psychology. I think it was

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Speaker 1: probably first used by psychical researchers trying to separate experiences

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Speaker 1: And it related to all sorts of psychic experiences. And

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Speaker 1: it's really been television over the last twenty years or

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Speaker 1: so that has made the paranormal word about ghosts and

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Speaker 1: hauntings specifically. Well, that's true, and they love the Hollywood

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Speaker 1: loves paranormal shows. Hollywood seems to Hollywood and every other

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Speaker 1: is kind of unfortunate. Thankfully we don't have people doing

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Speaker 1: that from cops aan comps. Well, that's true, that's a

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Speaker 1: good point. Now, you know, in the in the paranormal

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Speaker 1: But is research funded? You know, like we mentioned Duke University,

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Speaker 1: those things are gone now, aren't they. They've been gone

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Speaker 1: for quite some time. There's only a couple of foundations

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Speaker 1: And this is a big question. I mean, are we

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Speaker 1: cases people get visitations from their dearly departed, but not

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Speaker 1: all of them? What happens? Why? Why does some come

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Speaker 1: may just be that when people, actually certain people actually die,

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Speaker 1: to the Living that Philippo's a farmer, wrote years ago,

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Speaker 1: is that people have this kind of life review, almost

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Speaker 1: maybe a kind of hell. Right. Well, I was going

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