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Speaker 1: Hey, everyone, welcome back to Bachelor Happy Hour. I'm Joe

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Speaker 1: and I'm Serena, and we are here with the former

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Speaker 1: Bachelorette now dancing with this Yeah, unfortunately your former Bachelorette

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Speaker 1: Dancing with the Stars contestant, Jen, Welcome back to Bachelor

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Speaker 1: Happy Hour.

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Speaker 2: Hi, thanks for having me. I can't believe. I can't

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Speaker 2: believe it.

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Speaker 3: Is that the first time someone's called you the former bachelorette.

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Speaker 4: It's not you anymore a little bit.

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Speaker 2: I don't know how.

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Speaker 5: I don't know if we have to call her that

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Speaker 5: quite yet. I think we can give you a little

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Speaker 5: more time, you like a year, until someone else is

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Speaker 5: the Bachelerette I.

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Speaker 4: Mean, and technically, I mean who knows? Who knows? Right?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you could go back to back.

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Speaker 5: Well, we've actually had a lot of people ask us

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Speaker 5: why we have not put out a finale episode pot

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Speaker 5: for this podcast yet, and it is because your schedule

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Speaker 5: has been so crazy busy. We were supposed to have

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Speaker 5: Jen on the day after the finale, but you were

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Speaker 5: in New York.

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Speaker 3: How was that for you?

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Speaker 2: So it was it's just been crazy. And that day,

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Speaker 2: like that day, food, that night, flute to New York

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Speaker 2: for good Morning America the next morning. Then that day

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Speaker 2: I flew back to La started rehearsals, blue to Boston.

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Speaker 2: Now I'm Miami and now I'm going to La Flowers.

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Speaker 2: So I've just like been everywhere. But it's been fun chaos,

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Speaker 2: I believe.

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Speaker 1: So you weren't hesitant at all when they're like, you're

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Speaker 1: you're going on Dancing with the Stars.

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Speaker 2: But no, I've always wanted to go and Chancing with

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Speaker 2: the Stars. I'm like, I'm crazy. And I would telling

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Speaker 2: friends list all the time and like I really want

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Speaker 2: to go on, and they're like, you don't even know

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Speaker 2: how to dance? Are you going to be the star

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Speaker 2: or the pro? Like You're you're also like a newbody.

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Speaker 2: Was like, I don't know, maybe i'll like ticktoo lessons

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Speaker 2: someone come up pro Like I just I've always wanted

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Speaker 2: to learn. So it was the easiest, yest of my life.

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Speaker 5: That's amazing. No, I totally relate to that. And before

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Speaker 5: I was even on The Bachelor, I was like, I

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Speaker 5: want to be a Dancing with the Stars.

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Speaker 3: How do I get on that show that looks so fun?

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Speaker 2: It's like such a feel good show, you know?

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Speaker 1: When I, uh yeah, when I when I first got

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Speaker 1: cast out of the Bachelor, and I was like considering

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Speaker 1: if I wanted to do it, and my buddies like crazy,

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Speaker 1: you could get you could potentially go on Dancing with

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Speaker 1: the Stars.

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Speaker 4: I would never go on Dancing with the Stars. And

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Speaker 4: then yeah, and then then it happens. Then it happens.

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Speaker 4: How uh, how do you feel about Sasha?

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Speaker 2: I love him, He's the best. We literally we met

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Speaker 2: in the airport, like he didn't even have a flight,

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Speaker 2: Like he didn't have a ticket for the flight. He

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Speaker 2: had to go to the gate and like beg for

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Speaker 2: a ticket. And that's how we met under like very

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Speaker 2: chaotic circumstances. We both didn't know if we were going

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Speaker 2: to make the flight, and it was since then like

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Speaker 2: fast friends. He is so easy to talk to, so comfortable,

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Speaker 2: like also just such a good person and he's just

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Speaker 2: been really helpful with this chaotic time and everything. So

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Speaker 2: I love it. We're going to be.

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Speaker 5: Friends because he would have been thrown on last minute

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Speaker 5: as well. So you guys are really in this together

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Speaker 5: of like you're lives being flipped up tie down very quickly.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he was like in his bed. He's like I

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Speaker 2: didn't have a shower, I packed a suit. He's running

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Speaker 2: through the airport at the same time I'm running, like

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Speaker 2: it was very crazy. So yeah, very last minute.

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Speaker 1: I don't know too much about ballroom dancing, but I

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Speaker 1: do know that like technically Sasha is like really really good.

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Speaker 2: Okay, good good?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Here wait who was your partner?

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Speaker 4: Jenna?

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Speaker 1: Oh?

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Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, which is who Joey's with?

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Speaker 4: Yeah? Okay, okay, Oh, how's that beened?

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Speaker 2: Great? Honestly, it's been really really nice to have a

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Speaker 2: friendly face there, And I like, good Morning America is

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Speaker 2: a lot for me because I was still kind of

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Speaker 2: make bajillion friends right now, just like needing a little

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Speaker 2: bit of like I don't know, push, And like Joey

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Speaker 2: immediately was like, oh, let me introduce you to everybody,

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Speaker 2: like how are you doing? So it's been really really

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Speaker 2: good to have somebody there that like I know, like

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Speaker 2: Kelsey and I and Joey went to dinner like last

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Speaker 2: week and like we're all such good friends. So it's

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Speaker 5: Honestly, Yeah, that is really nice because I could imagine

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Speaker 5: you're like I was, just like you said, the lowest

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Speaker 5: of lows. I'm running through airports, I'm meeting all these

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Speaker 5: buddy and like you to be a buddy through this

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Speaker 5: is probably really nice. Do you feel like you're gonna

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Speaker 5: have an emotional crash or you like, I'm just on

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Speaker 5: such a high now, this is amazing.

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Speaker 3: It's like kind of picked you back up.

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Speaker 1: An emotional crash. She said, just for our listeners that

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Speaker 1: you're you're Canadian.

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Speaker 4: Crush.

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Speaker 3: So did my accent Canadian?

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Speaker 2: I have crushed? But I wait, now I'm hearing crushsh

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Speaker 2: emotional crash.

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Speaker 3: I don't even know what time zone I'm in right now.

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Speaker 2: I probably will at some point, and like it's gonna

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Speaker 2: come eventually because I think they still need I still

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Speaker 2: probably a processing to do, and I don't know, I

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Speaker 2: don't like, do I wash the finale episode again or

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Speaker 2: do it not?

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Speaker 4: Like I probably not.

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Speaker 3: I don't think I don't do that.

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Speaker 2: No, not, but no, I definitely have like a lot

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Speaker 2: of processing still to be done. But I'm just gonna

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Speaker 2: take it one day at a time, and and this

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Speaker 2: has all been an amazing distraction because I can't imagine

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Speaker 2: not having this and not having something to focus on

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Speaker 2: along in this time. So I don't know, we'll see

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Speaker 2: when that crash comes.

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Speaker 5: I feel like though it is both a really good distraction.

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Speaker 5: I also feel like this is just so cheesy, but

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Speaker 5: like dance is a great way to like work through

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Speaker 5: help you process what you just went.

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Speaker 2: Through, of course, and that's what I'm most looking forward to.

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Speaker 2: Dance is such a great way to express your emotions

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Speaker 2: and get things out there. It's like such an outlet.

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Speaker 2: I feel like it's such a creative outlet too, So

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Speaker 2: I fully anticipate like balling my eyes out on the

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Speaker 2: first night of the dance because it's all it's all

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Speaker 2: I'm also dancing. It's like a very meaningful song. So

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Speaker 2: I just I know I'm going to be hysterical, all.

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Speaker 4: Right, So let's pivot into AFR.

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Speaker 1: So your AFR was like truly one of the most

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Speaker 1: talked about I've I've seen in quite some time. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you can't go on social media and not to your

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Speaker 1: face like everywhere, which is great love Jen's face.

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Speaker 4: So happy for you. Well you you know that you

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Speaker 4: got the dancer with the star, so iry it for you.

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Speaker 1: Can you kind of like, before we get into all

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Speaker 1: of what went down at AFR, can you talk a

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Speaker 1: little bit about your breakup with Devin?

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Speaker 6: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, like time what went down?

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Speaker 5: Camera's cut, you're engaged. Can you kind of walk us

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean, truthfully, I'm still trying to understand

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Speaker 2: I want to understand it all, Like we are where

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Speaker 2: And now when I look back on things, I'm like,

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Speaker 2: I there were so many little key moments that I

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Speaker 2: in Hawaii when we're having our happy couple. The day

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Speaker 2: after we got engaged, the first thing he asked the

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Speaker 2: producers was like, how long do people stay together?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 2: And I was like yeah, I was like you're already

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Speaker 2: anticipating that we're freaking up. But I didn't think anything

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Speaker 5: And for those listening who maybe don't know what a

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Speaker 5: happy couple is, just to clarify, it's like time with

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Speaker 5: but also in private so that the viewers don't get

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Speaker 3: But yeah, so that was kind of red flag number

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Speaker 2: Yes, And then that whole weekend it was like I

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Speaker 2: but it's okay. Like we just got off a whole

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Speaker 2: very happy too, so like I wasn't thinking anything of

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Speaker 2: every day. Oh oh, Actually the other red flag was

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Speaker 2: but like, I also love New York. You could go

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Speaker 2: then when my friend Nicole came for me Faily, I

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Speaker 2: had told you that. I was like, some of the

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Speaker 2: things I really love about Devin and I's relationship is

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Speaker 2: like he is willing to compromise on where we're moving,

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Speaker 2: et cetera. And she had told him that when they

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Speaker 2: after we got engaged, he's like, oh, I didn't know

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Speaker 2: you told Nicole that we would be moving to California.

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Speaker 2: You're like, I don't actually want to do that. And

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Speaker 2: I was like, okay, red flag number whatever, because you

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Speaker 2: my head, it's like it does he just say things

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Speaker 2: that was a big fun for me. But since and

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Speaker 2: then since that day, like he kept backtracking on certain things,

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Speaker 4: And that's kind of what it sounds like happened, or

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Speaker 5: Just a different dynamic than what you were set up

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Speaker 1: Do you think that this was all a game for him,

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Speaker 2: I can't speak for him because I don't know. I

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Speaker 5: It was just like he wanted me to yourself, and

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Speaker 5: You know, At what point were you like okay, Like

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Speaker 5: I'm getting a lot of excuses the efforts not there,

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Speaker 2: trying to make races like we're going through difficult time,

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Speaker 2: it's going to be fine. If we get through this,

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Speaker 4: It's fine, that's normal to go through that.

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Speaker 1: Try, like always have a dinner. You would think, like

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Speaker 2: And even buy me dinner. I haven't even bought been

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Speaker 4: Like what do you think did he did he ever use.

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Speaker 1: Watching you with other other men and like seeing that

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Speaker 4: Is that an excuse?

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Speaker 1: No?

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Speaker 2: Not once? Not once did he used so? No, And

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so so yeah, I mean, this was a messy

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Speaker 3: And I was like, oh, but some days you wake

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Speaker 2: How do I navigate that?

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Speaker 3: I don't know, probably just like I don't know what

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Speaker 2: I did it. I was like mute for like two hours.

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Speaker 2: I was like okay, okay, we could get through this

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Speaker 2: But we had basically left on Like I remember, I

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Speaker 2: He's like it's fine, like I don't want anything to change,

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Speaker 5: relationship and I want to work on it, and you

441
00:20:58,760 --> 00:20:59,960
Speaker 5: know I want to get to a good place.

442
00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:04,120
Speaker 2: Yeah there, yes, yes, And so that's why I was like, Okay,

443
00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:06,760
Speaker 2: there's full I think he wants to go to couples counseling,

444
00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:09,640
Speaker 2: doesn't want anything changed, he loves me. Okay, great, we'll

445
00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:15,160
Speaker 2: work on his feelings. And then what happened we got

446
00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:17,000
Speaker 2: into a fight like a couple of days after that

447
00:21:17,040 --> 00:21:19,640
Speaker 2: when we had left and we were booking the next

448
00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:23,080
Speaker 2: happy couple. And what made me upset about these happy

449
00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:25,320
Speaker 2: couples is he would take the latest flight out and

450
00:21:25,359 --> 00:21:27,840
Speaker 2: take the like into the happy couple and then take

451
00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:30,280
Speaker 2: the earliest flight out at like four am the next

452
00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:33,439
Speaker 2: day kind of thing, and that would that made me upset,

453
00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:35,800
Speaker 2: so like we I expressed that to him, and you're

454
00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:37,320
Speaker 2: talking about the next happy couple and he's like, I'm

455
00:21:37,320 --> 00:21:39,160
Speaker 2: gonna take the same four am play. I'm like, okay,

456
00:21:39,520 --> 00:21:41,919
Speaker 2: you hate me, Like what's going on? And then we

457
00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:43,879
Speaker 2: got into a big fight about that, and I was

458
00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:47,080
Speaker 2: just like, okay, like let's just take some space for

459
00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:49,920
Speaker 2: the weekend, because I just feel like you just wand me,

460
00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:51,399
Speaker 2: you don't love me on some days, and I just

461
00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:53,480
Speaker 2: don't know if this is like a feeling that I

462
00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:56,600
Speaker 2: want to be feeling right now in conjunction with all

463
00:21:56,880 --> 00:21:59,919
Speaker 2: everything that we've been fighting about. So I was like,

464
00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:03,040
Speaker 2: let's take space for the weekend. He didn't take the space. Seriously,

465
00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:05,879
Speaker 2: He's like still texting me, he's still calling me. So

466
00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:09,199
Speaker 2: I assumed everything was fine, and he had texted me

467
00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:12,000
Speaker 2: He's like, let's book that happy that couple's counseling. So

468
00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:18,160
Speaker 2: I booked a couple's counseling for us. And then it's Sunday.

469
00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:21,280
Speaker 2: I didn't hear from him at all, which I thought

470
00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:24,919
Speaker 2: was weird, and I just sent him a couple of texts.

471
00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:26,840
Speaker 2: He didn't reply, and then I sent him another text

472
00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:29,280
Speaker 2: and I was like, listen, like I'm sorry that we fought,

473
00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:32,359
Speaker 2: Like I really want to make this work and I

474
00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:34,600
Speaker 2: really do want to go to this Happy Couples counseling

475
00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:37,879
Speaker 2: and like just wanted to like let you know that

476
00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:40,560
Speaker 2: and like hopefully things are fine. He's like, everything's fine,

477
00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:42,560
Speaker 2: Like let's see at Couble's counseling for he just had

478
00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:45,320
Speaker 2: a rough day. Monday comes around. We faced him during

479
00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:49,560
Speaker 2: the day and seemed normal, and then he had went

480
00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:51,520
Speaker 2: to watch the show I think at his mom's house.

481
00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:54,640
Speaker 2: And after that night he sent me a very cryptic

482
00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:59,040
Speaker 2: text being like I because I had said, oh, do

483
00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:02,440
Speaker 2: you want to talk on phone? Then he's like, let's

484
00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:05,120
Speaker 2: like talk tomorrow. This is a conversation we'll have tomorrow

485
00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:07,439
Speaker 2: at the Happy Couple And I was like, I don't know,

486
00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:10,360
Speaker 2: I don't like what that means, Like just like call

487
00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:12,359
Speaker 2: me now, like let's just talk about it. And he

488
00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:16,800
Speaker 2: basically on the phone and like a two minute phone call.

489
00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:19,600
Speaker 2: This was that night. He was like I don't feel

490
00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:22,480
Speaker 2: this anymore. I don't want to be in this relationship anymore.

491
00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:25,960
Speaker 2: I just it's not working and I'm just like down.

492
00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:28,760
Speaker 2: I was like okay, one of the phone. The next

493
00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:31,000
Speaker 2: day we went we talked for like a fifteen minute

494
00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:33,520
Speaker 2: phone call. That was well, and he was just like

495
00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:38,080
Speaker 2: I I can't say SORR anymore, like I'm done whatever.

496
00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:41,320
Speaker 5: And then were you like what was your reaction Like

497
00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:44,320
Speaker 5: were you asking questions? Were you fighting it? Were you

498
00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:47,640
Speaker 5: a agreeance? Like he's coming at you with like you're

499
00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:50,360
Speaker 5: probably a little bit in shock, like hey, the relationship's over.

500
00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:52,560
Speaker 5: You're like, I just booked Aus couples Counseling. Where is

501
00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:53,399
Speaker 5: this coming from?

502
00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:57,840
Speaker 2: I felt very blond sided. Yeah, I mean it was bad.

503
00:23:57,880 --> 00:23:59,840
Speaker 2: I was in Boston, I was not my friend's apartment,

504
00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:05,440
Speaker 2: and I was sobbing, like hysterically, saw like I didn't

505
00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:07,560
Speaker 2: have answers and I didn't know what to do. Like

506
00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:10,520
Speaker 2: in that moment that night when you called, I was

507
00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:13,040
Speaker 2: just like do I beg? Do I not? Like I

508
00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:15,600
Speaker 2: don't even know how I feel about this? Like I

509
00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:17,360
Speaker 2: was just sobbing the whole day and the next day

510
00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:20,720
Speaker 2: was sobbing too, like all day and we have to

511
00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:23,000
Speaker 2: talk to and I was like, listen, what's going on?

512
00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:25,639
Speaker 2: Like is there something? What is the reason? Like is

513
00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:28,119
Speaker 2: there a reason? Like can we work through this? You

514
00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:30,840
Speaker 2: had just said we wanted to go to toughs counseling. He's like,

515
00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:33,200
Speaker 2: you're right, I lied. I shouldn't have said I wanted

516
00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:35,720
Speaker 2: to go to Top's counseling, like I don't, like, I don't

517
00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:37,639
Speaker 2: want to work on this, like I'm just not happy,

518
00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:41,359
Speaker 2: and like that was that. That was Those are the

519
00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:44,199
Speaker 2: answers that I was getting. I tried so many times

520
00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:47,040
Speaker 2: to like, I don't know, like to be like, let's

521
00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:49,600
Speaker 2: just like figure this out. I don't know. I like,

522
00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:50,919
Speaker 2: I'm I'm confused.

523
00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:51,840
Speaker 3: He was.

524
00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:53,800
Speaker 5: Was he ever able to give you some sort of

525
00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:58,239
Speaker 5: answer as to what changed his feelings from these like

526
00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:01,199
Speaker 5: really really strong feelings of love on the show to

527
00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:04,040
Speaker 5: because it sounds like it was very instant. It wasn't

528
00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:06,240
Speaker 5: like you spent so much time together for like a

529
00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:08,160
Speaker 5: month and then it was like a shift.

530
00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:09,840
Speaker 3: It sounds like the shift was right away.

531
00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:11,520
Speaker 5: So did you ever get an answer from him of

532
00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:13,560
Speaker 5: like what initiated that shift.

533
00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:16,639
Speaker 2: What he had told me was that he was having

534
00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:20,880
Speaker 2: doubts the whole time and he just like wasn't expressing them.

535
00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:22,840
Speaker 2: And at this point the show hadn't aired yet. So

536
00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:24,720
Speaker 2: when he had told me, like I felt for sure

537
00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:26,600
Speaker 2: to get engaged, I didn't want to get engaged. I

538
00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:31,560
Speaker 2: I just I had so many doubts. I was like, oh, okay,

539
00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:33,240
Speaker 2: And then I watched the show back and I was like,

540
00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:36,159
Speaker 2: wait a second, you were seeing crazy stuff to me

541
00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:38,560
Speaker 2: that made me believe that you wanted to get engaged. Like,

542
00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:42,160
Speaker 2: I'm not crazy for thinking that you wanted to get engaged.

543
00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:45,040
Speaker 2: You wanted to get engaged on the show. So I

544
00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:46,880
Speaker 2: don't know if you forgot the things that you were

545
00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:49,719
Speaker 2: saying to me. But he was telling me he wants

546
00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:52,719
Speaker 2: a family with me, he wanted to marry me, like,

547
00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:57,280
Speaker 2: so I just I don't know. And he had said, like,

548
00:25:57,640 --> 00:25:59,240
Speaker 2: I wonder what would have happened if I had just

549
00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:01,080
Speaker 2: left that day that I came into your room and

550
00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:06,560
Speaker 2: like was asking for reassurance. He was like, I probably

551
00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:07,720
Speaker 2: should have just left that day.

552
00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:14,720
Speaker 6: I was like, WHOA, Okay, I don't know listen, I

553
00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:19,040
Speaker 6: don't know what his motive was, but yeah, he had

554
00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:22,560
Speaker 6: said he basically didn't feel the same way he had doubts.

555
00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:26,560
Speaker 5: So was it helpful for you to watch the show

556
00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:29,080
Speaker 5: back to be like, no, I'm not crazy, like he

557
00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:30,360
Speaker 5: did act this way or.

558
00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:31,080
Speaker 3: Was it almost?

559
00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:34,720
Speaker 5: Was it also like hurtful to be like, you're now

560
00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:37,240
Speaker 5: telling me you didn't mean any of these things.

561
00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:41,600
Speaker 2: Ooh, Like it was validating in a sense of like

562
00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:47,000
Speaker 2: because for me, like I don't know, like I felt

563
00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:49,320
Speaker 2: like he was saying things and I was trying to

564
00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:52,119
Speaker 2: believe them, like, oh, I never wanted to get engaged

565
00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:54,679
Speaker 2: in all this stuff, and I was like trying to

566
00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:57,200
Speaker 2: believe it. But then I'm like, why are you saying

567
00:26:57,200 --> 00:26:59,119
Speaker 2: the things that you're saying in the show. There are

568
00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:05,880
Speaker 2: plenty of guys that have expressed their their yes doubts

569
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:08,800
Speaker 2: about me about the show, about the engagement, but you

570
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:12,840
Speaker 2: never once did that on the show, So I'm really confused.

571
00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:16,159
Speaker 2: So it was validating to watch it, but then it

572
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:18,359
Speaker 2: was also heart for I was watching my heart being

573
00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:21,160
Speaker 2: worked every Monday, Like every Monday night was the worst

574
00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:24,760
Speaker 2: day of my life. And while I was crying and

575
00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:27,399
Speaker 2: just like confused and upset, He's out here posting memes

576
00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:31,040
Speaker 2: about the show. And I'm like, did this mean nothing

577
00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:33,679
Speaker 2: to you? Because if you truly feel hurt about this,

578
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:36,679
Speaker 2: do you truly feel like you tried everything and it

579
00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:39,600
Speaker 2: just didn't work, you would not be out here posting

580
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:43,399
Speaker 2: memes about the show, yeah, and promoting the show, Like,

581
00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:46,240
Speaker 2: because the way the show ended, you just broke my heart, Like,

582
00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:48,200
Speaker 2: what do you mean? It just it didn't make sense.

583
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:50,400
Speaker 2: The way he was moving about it made no sense.

584
00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:53,000
Speaker 2: Especially after the break up, I think I got more

585
00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:55,440
Speaker 2: clarity on the fact that he's just not who he

586
00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:56,800
Speaker 2: painted himself out to me.

587
00:27:57,160 --> 00:28:00,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, Well, well I want to get into you

588
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:04,040
Speaker 1: Afi will do that part two before we before we

589
00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:07,040
Speaker 1: end this episode, you mentioned you see you've seen a

590
00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:10,560
Speaker 1: lot of stuff with Devin online with like other women

591
00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:15,200
Speaker 1: or whatnot. Can you describe for our listeners what you've

592
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:15,719
Speaker 1: been seeing.

593
00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:20,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, so obviously there's a video circulating around with him

594
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:25,359
Speaker 2: in New York with this girl and that was like,

595
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:28,199
Speaker 2: I think two weeks before Afar and we were broken up.

596
00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:31,760
Speaker 2: At that point, however, we had been talking and he

597
00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:35,640
Speaker 2: had been saying, we had been talking about meeting up

598
00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:39,160
Speaker 2: and seeing where things go, seeing if we can work

599
00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:42,640
Speaker 2: on this, seeing if we can endings on good terms,

600
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:45,240
Speaker 2: or whatever it was. And also just like I've deserved

601
00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:49,760
Speaker 2: a conversation in person, like I wanted that conversation in person,

602
00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:52,120
Speaker 2: and not to have to do that on live TV.

603
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:55,160
Speaker 2: He was leading me on to believe that there was

604
00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:57,680
Speaker 2: hopeing there was something there the whole month, and then

605
00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:00,719
Speaker 2: he's out in New York with a girl and to

606
00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:05,760
Speaker 2: my knowledge it's one of his ex girlfriends, and and

607
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:12,480
Speaker 2: I it's just I've been getting a lot of DMS

608
00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:15,080
Speaker 2: and texts about what he had been doing in the

609
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:17,640
Speaker 2: past month. Like there are rumors he was at a

610
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:20,200
Speaker 2: bar with this girl making out with her three weeks

611
00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:24,160
Speaker 2: before Afar, and somebody sent me a photo of him

612
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:26,600
Speaker 2: and her at the airport together flying to New York.

613
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:29,520
Speaker 2: So listen, this isn't just some girl that you met

614
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:32,040
Speaker 2: at a bar and you wanted to hook up at well,

615
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:34,720
Speaker 2: this is an ex girlfriend that you're now traveling together with.

616
00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:38,880
Speaker 1: Which is funny because he is the one that said

617
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:41,760
Speaker 1: he doesn't deal with exes, because he was the one

618
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:44,560
Speaker 1: that was so strong about when your ex came back,

619
00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:47,240
Speaker 1: that he was going to leave the show if you

620
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:50,440
Speaker 1: kept him. So the fact that he has an ex around,

621
00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:54,040
Speaker 1: and do you think he do you think she's been

622
00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:54,960
Speaker 1: around this whole time?

623
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:03,240
Speaker 6: I.

624
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:10,480
Speaker 2: I don't know. I think these are the facts. He

625
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:13,720
Speaker 2: goes missing for some days at a time, he immediately

626
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:16,600
Speaker 2: after the show is like detached, not giving an effort.

627
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:20,000
Speaker 2: He doesn't want to see me. And then now there's

628
00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:23,680
Speaker 2: this girl coming out and they're flying together to New

629
00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:28,360
Speaker 2: York and she's an ex girlfriend, and and it just

630
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:31,880
Speaker 2: those are the facts, and that's what I'm seeing And

631
00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:35,000
Speaker 2: what can I do with that? Like, I don't know.

632
00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:37,880
Speaker 2: And the thing is, I did get a d M

633
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:40,200
Speaker 2: when I came back from the show and somebody had

634
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:43,360
Speaker 2: warned me about this girl, and I didn't believe it.

635
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:45,200
Speaker 2: I was like, I love Devin. He would never do

636
00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:48,760
Speaker 2: that for to me. Yeah. Now I'm kicking myself for

637
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:49,760
Speaker 2: not looking.

638
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:52,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean.

639
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:54,240
Speaker 3: In your shoes. It's very it would be very very

640
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:55,480
Speaker 3: hard not to speculate on.

641
00:30:57,280 --> 00:30:59,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I mean I would. I would be

642
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:00,960
Speaker 4: out here like fuck him.

643
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:05,680
Speaker 1: Uh, Okay, let's let's wrap this here, uh, because I

644
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:08,320
Speaker 1: want to get into a FR in Part two. So

645
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:10,600
Speaker 1: to all our listeners, thank you so much. That was

646
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:14,120
Speaker 1: Part one with Jen h. We are going to get

647
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:17,440
Speaker 1: into everything AFR in Part two. We will be dropping

648
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:20,680
Speaker 1: that tomorrow, so make sure you stay tuned.

649
00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:22,800
Speaker 3: And don't forget to subscribe. Thanks for listening.

650
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:23,200
Speaker 4: Bye,