1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,760 Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travison buck Sexton 2 00:00:03,840 --> 00:00:08,680 Speaker 1: Show podcast. Welcome in Wednesday edition Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. 3 00:00:08,680 --> 00:00:11,559 Speaker 1: I hope all of you are having a fantastic middle 4 00:00:11,720 --> 00:00:15,200 Speaker 1: of your week. We are here to bring sanity in 5 00:00:15,200 --> 00:00:18,120 Speaker 1: an insane world. A bunch of different stories. Two hits. 6 00:00:19,560 --> 00:00:24,440 Speaker 1: The inflation disaster finally acknowledged by our steam to Treasury 7 00:00:24,520 --> 00:00:29,000 Speaker 1: Secretary Masks on airplanes. There is an appeal from the 8 00:00:29,040 --> 00:00:32,960 Speaker 1: Biden administration saying that they need to come back. Remember 9 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:35,760 Speaker 1: when Joe Biden said that we had a pandemic of 10 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:40,559 Speaker 1: the unvaccinated. The data increasingly making it clear that we 11 00:00:40,720 --> 00:00:43,720 Speaker 1: don't have a pandemic of the unvaccinated at all. We 12 00:00:43,880 --> 00:00:47,640 Speaker 1: just have a lot of people who got COVID shots 13 00:00:47,680 --> 00:00:52,800 Speaker 1: that made no sense whatsoever. As the data continues to 14 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:56,200 Speaker 1: come out on that, we will discuss, as well as 15 00:00:56,280 --> 00:00:59,920 Speaker 1: the reaction on the Susman trial. We had that break 16 00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:02,800 Speaker 1: news yesterday right as we were beginning the show. We 17 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:07,840 Speaker 1: will discuss. But we begin with a question that I 18 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:11,479 Speaker 1: think a lot of you have. How is it possible 19 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:16,280 Speaker 1: that all of you that buck that me, all of 20 00:01:16,319 --> 00:01:19,720 Speaker 1: you in all fifty states and around the world could 21 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:25,600 Speaker 1: see inflation brewing almost from the moment that we started 22 00:01:25,640 --> 00:01:28,559 Speaker 1: the lockdowns, And you could go back to the tape 23 00:01:28,560 --> 00:01:30,280 Speaker 1: and you could listen to Buck and I saying, you know, 24 00:01:30,480 --> 00:01:34,600 Speaker 1: spending one point nine trillion additional dollars totally unnecessary for COVID. 25 00:01:34,959 --> 00:01:38,400 Speaker 1: Maybe this one point two trillion dofrastructure build doesn't make 26 00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:42,480 Speaker 1: a lot of sense. We gave tons of people tons 27 00:01:42,520 --> 00:01:45,640 Speaker 1: of money not to work, and then they bid up 28 00:01:45,680 --> 00:01:49,440 Speaker 1: the price of goods massively all over the country. There 29 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:52,560 Speaker 1: were a lot of people who were out there pointing 30 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:57,400 Speaker 1: all of this out, discussing the difficulties of shipping, discussing 31 00:01:57,440 --> 00:02:02,320 Speaker 1: the challenges of finding people who were even willing to work. Well, now, 32 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:06,800 Speaker 1: somehow the Biden administration, after initially saying all this was 33 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:09,960 Speaker 1: transitory inflation, was that it was short lived, that we 34 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:11,880 Speaker 1: were going to be back to two percent soon. Well, now, 35 00:02:11,919 --> 00:02:16,600 Speaker 1: Treasury Secretary Janet Yelling came out, and so you know what, 36 00:02:17,440 --> 00:02:21,520 Speaker 1: turns out the whole Biden administration was wrong about the 37 00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:23,799 Speaker 1: path that inflation would take. And Buck the other big 38 00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:27,840 Speaker 1: part of this is they got saved from the worst 39 00:02:27,919 --> 00:02:31,080 Speaker 1: aspects of their decision because they wanted to spend another 40 00:02:31,240 --> 00:02:37,079 Speaker 1: five trillion. They wanted to pour gasoline on the inflation fire. 41 00:02:37,160 --> 00:02:39,600 Speaker 1: It wasn't just they were wrong. They were so wrong 42 00:02:40,040 --> 00:02:42,200 Speaker 1: that we actually are lucky they couldn't do what they 43 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:47,440 Speaker 1: tried to do. Remember, the Obama administration was so exciting 44 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:50,079 Speaker 1: for all the Libs and the media because Obama and 45 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:53,079 Speaker 1: it was amazing. But actually you started to hear right 46 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:56,880 Speaker 1: after that. The one thing they rammed through was Obamacare, right, 47 00:02:57,200 --> 00:03:00,639 Speaker 1: not a single Republican vote. But then the drum from 48 00:03:00,639 --> 00:03:04,560 Speaker 1: the Democrats was always obstruction. Remember they just kept saying 49 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:11,400 Speaker 1: obstruction from Republicans, and if only Republicans would do common 50 00:03:11,480 --> 00:03:14,320 Speaker 1: sense whatever, you know, a common sense gun reform, common 51 00:03:14,360 --> 00:03:17,280 Speaker 1: sense immigration, common sense tax reform, pay your fair share, 52 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:19,840 Speaker 1: whatever it was. But that was at least the talking 53 00:03:19,880 --> 00:03:22,840 Speaker 1: point the problem. It was nonsense, but that was what 54 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:26,320 Speaker 1: they were going with. The problem the Biden administration has 55 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:31,400 Speaker 1: is that the obstruction. It's like they're saying, guys, we 56 00:03:31,400 --> 00:03:35,040 Speaker 1: were about to throw some gasoline canisters on this house 57 00:03:35,080 --> 00:03:38,320 Speaker 1: on fire. Why did you stand in our way? Yes, 58 00:03:38,440 --> 00:03:43,600 Speaker 1: their way would have made the single most painful economic 59 00:03:43,720 --> 00:03:47,280 Speaker 1: reality of our current circumstance worse, without question. I mean, 60 00:03:47,360 --> 00:03:49,800 Speaker 1: Joe Biden was going out there, we should maybe we 61 00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:52,120 Speaker 1: could pull some of this, just to remind everybody. He 62 00:03:52,240 --> 00:03:57,400 Speaker 1: used to go, it's gonna reduce inflation to spend five 63 00:03:57,520 --> 00:03:59,880 Speaker 1: trillion dollars. Remember, we would do the loud whisper thing. 64 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:02,360 Speaker 1: One of his argument was saying, better, you're right that 65 00:04:02,440 --> 00:04:05,320 Speaker 1: it would reduce inflation. We're going to reduce inflation by 66 00:04:05,320 --> 00:04:08,840 Speaker 1: having the government spend trillions more dollars than the government's 67 00:04:08,880 --> 00:04:12,640 Speaker 1: already spending heading into an inflationary period, also known as 68 00:04:12,640 --> 00:04:17,000 Speaker 1: the Biden administration. Clay, it is madness. And I keep 69 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:21,680 Speaker 1: telling everybody, I think we're not through the storm. No, 70 00:04:21,839 --> 00:04:25,040 Speaker 1: we're actually we're actually just in those initial stages out 71 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:27,280 Speaker 1: at sea where like the wind has shifted and the 72 00:04:27,279 --> 00:04:29,760 Speaker 1: clouds are getting dark and it's looking rough out there. 73 00:04:30,400 --> 00:04:34,680 Speaker 1: Listen to this. I mean, this is a remarkable acknowledgement that, 74 00:04:34,960 --> 00:04:37,320 Speaker 1: first of all, we know that the Biden administration has 75 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:40,000 Speaker 1: no clue how to solve inflation. In one way that 76 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:42,000 Speaker 1: you know they have no clue how to solve it 77 00:04:42,040 --> 00:04:44,320 Speaker 1: is they had no idea this was coming. These are 78 00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:48,200 Speaker 1: the best and the brightest minds in the Biden economic administration. 79 00:04:48,640 --> 00:04:52,159 Speaker 1: Here is Treasury Secretary Janet Yell and telling you something 80 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:55,480 Speaker 1: that we were telling you over a year ago. And somehow, 81 00:04:55,480 --> 00:04:57,760 Speaker 1: despite the fact that we're not trained economists, and neither 82 00:04:57,800 --> 00:04:59,680 Speaker 1: are you guys out there by and large who were 83 00:04:59,680 --> 00:05:02,159 Speaker 1: listening to us, we could all see it. The Biden 84 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:06,560 Speaker 1: administration couldn't Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen. Well, look, I think 85 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:12,599 Speaker 1: I was wrong then about the path that inflation would take. 86 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:17,640 Speaker 1: As I mentioned, there have been unanticipated and large shocks 87 00:05:17,680 --> 00:05:23,039 Speaker 1: to the economy that have boosted energy and food prices 88 00:05:23,160 --> 00:05:29,400 Speaker 1: and supply bottlenecks that have affected our economy badly that 89 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:33,400 Speaker 1: I didn't at the time, didn't fully understand. I mean, 90 00:05:33,440 --> 00:05:35,680 Speaker 1: she has like one job in a way, right, that's 91 00:05:35,720 --> 00:05:39,000 Speaker 1: all she has to do to fully understand exactly the 92 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:42,200 Speaker 1: dynamics that she just laid out there, Clay, And I 93 00:05:42,320 --> 00:05:46,320 Speaker 1: think that you know, there's always this push pull, there's 94 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:52,640 Speaker 1: always this built in excuse for any government, government monetary policy, 95 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:55,960 Speaker 1: and your treasury or economic official, anybody involved in that. 96 00:05:56,000 --> 00:06:00,039 Speaker 1: And it is well, if we create the perception of 97 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:03,560 Speaker 1: a recession, then we'll actually make it a reality. Right. 98 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:06,480 Speaker 1: If you tell people, guys, we're going to get inflation, 99 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:09,240 Speaker 1: or guys we need to settle down here because we're 100 00:06:09,240 --> 00:06:13,240 Speaker 1: heading for a downturn in the whatever in hiring, in 101 00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:16,039 Speaker 1: the economy and the housing market. Then you make that 102 00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:19,080 Speaker 1: a reality. The problem is that means that there's no 103 00:06:19,160 --> 00:06:22,760 Speaker 1: corrective mechanism from the so called experts that the Biden 104 00:06:22,839 --> 00:06:25,839 Speaker 1: White House points to and says, well, the experts agree 105 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:28,520 Speaker 1: with me. Because the experts then turn around meeting Treasury, 106 00:06:28,640 --> 00:06:30,800 Speaker 1: meeting the Fed, and they say, well, I mean, we 107 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:33,120 Speaker 1: don't want to be pessimists here, right, We don't want 108 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:35,800 Speaker 1: to tell people we're heading into the very stormy waters 109 00:06:35,800 --> 00:06:38,560 Speaker 1: we're just talking about. And so that's how Clay this 110 00:06:38,680 --> 00:06:43,960 Speaker 1: was the most obvious thing in recent monetary policy and 111 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:47,599 Speaker 1: economic history, right if you think about this, and it's 112 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:50,800 Speaker 1: like a surprise to Democrats and Biden and not only that, 113 00:06:50,839 --> 00:06:52,800 Speaker 1: as we're just saying it would have been worse. We 114 00:06:52,920 --> 00:06:55,400 Speaker 1: said this on the show if Joe Mansion does not 115 00:06:55,600 --> 00:07:00,680 Speaker 1: stand athwart the Democrats socialists and say, guys really got 116 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:02,680 Speaker 1: to calm this thing down a little bit. I think 117 00:07:02,680 --> 00:07:06,920 Speaker 1: we could have inflation fifteen percent, who knows, who knows? Oh, 118 00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:09,360 Speaker 1: I don't think there's any doubt and a lot of 119 00:07:09,520 --> 00:07:12,760 Speaker 1: the top business executives are pointing that out that he 120 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:16,560 Speaker 1: was the only thing why it's not infinitely better than 121 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:18,680 Speaker 1: it is right now, and by the way, the only 122 00:07:18,760 --> 00:07:21,000 Speaker 1: positive I can say. I mean, some of these forecasts 123 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:26,320 Speaker 1: that were now getting are actually pretty terrifying. Like, for instance, 124 00:07:26,680 --> 00:07:30,960 Speaker 1: Jamie Diamond, who is super smart at JP Morgan and 125 00:07:31,160 --> 00:07:33,960 Speaker 1: obviously as much paid attention to in terms of his 126 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:37,320 Speaker 1: economic forecast. He writes a lot of letters trying to 127 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:39,640 Speaker 1: lay out exactly what's going on. Let's listen to a 128 00:07:39,640 --> 00:07:43,520 Speaker 1: couple of these cuts, buck, I almost think that expectations 129 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:46,360 Speaker 1: are so bad that maybe it won't be as bad 130 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:50,120 Speaker 1: as everybody seems to expect. But look, he says, right now, 131 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:53,080 Speaker 1: the storm clouds are a hurricane down the road, and 132 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:57,000 Speaker 1: you need to brace yourself. Listen, those three things fiscally 133 00:07:57,000 --> 00:08:02,280 Speaker 1: induced growth, QT war. So I'm gonna change the storm 134 00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:05,080 Speaker 1: clouds out there. Look, I'm an optimist, you know, I said, 135 00:08:05,080 --> 00:08:07,640 Speaker 1: there's storm clouds. They're big storm clouds are it's a 136 00:08:07,720 --> 00:08:11,280 Speaker 1: hurricane right now, it's kind of sunny. Things are doing fine. 137 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:14,480 Speaker 1: You know, everyone thinks that the Fed can handle this. 138 00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:17,880 Speaker 1: That hurricane is right out there down the road coming 139 00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:20,440 Speaker 1: our way. We just don't know if it's a minor 140 00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:25,280 Speaker 1: one or superstorm Sandy or yeah Sandy or or Andrew 141 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:28,760 Speaker 1: or something like that, and it's see, you better brace yourself. 142 00:08:29,640 --> 00:08:34,000 Speaker 1: Brace yourself from a guy who understands the markets and 143 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:36,640 Speaker 1: what actually affects your pocketbook. Right. You have a lot 144 00:08:36,679 --> 00:08:41,000 Speaker 1: of Democrat economists in the administration who know that they 145 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:42,800 Speaker 1: have to say certain things if they want to have 146 00:08:42,920 --> 00:08:45,840 Speaker 1: access and they want to be well considered in their 147 00:08:46,679 --> 00:08:51,240 Speaker 1: Democrat elitists circles. But Jamie Diamond and people like him, 148 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:54,240 Speaker 1: there's a pun there. There's a penalty rather for being wrong, 149 00:08:54,280 --> 00:08:56,400 Speaker 1: which is that people don't listen to you. They think that, okay, 150 00:08:56,400 --> 00:08:58,480 Speaker 1: you don't know what you're talking about when it comes 151 00:08:58,480 --> 00:09:01,200 Speaker 1: to their money, which they care about. And he's saying 152 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:02,880 Speaker 1: it's going to get worse, and we look at this, 153 00:09:03,559 --> 00:09:06,080 Speaker 1: it is going to continue to get worse. Unfortunately, there's 154 00:09:06,120 --> 00:09:10,200 Speaker 1: nothing about the Democrat proposals out there right now, the 155 00:09:10,280 --> 00:09:13,880 Speaker 1: mentality Clay. They don't accept any blame for any of this. 156 00:09:14,280 --> 00:09:16,959 Speaker 1: They don't say, you know what, we were wrong about 157 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:18,560 Speaker 1: a few things. We shouldn't have done a few of 158 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:21,120 Speaker 1: these things. Instead, they just kind of whine and talk 159 00:09:21,160 --> 00:09:24,800 Speaker 1: about January six, and hope that Joe Biden remembers where 160 00:09:24,800 --> 00:09:26,920 Speaker 1: he is when he's speaking in public, which he doesn't 161 00:09:26,920 --> 00:09:29,679 Speaker 1: even take interviews anymore. It seems, so, what's an a 162 00:09:29,800 --> 00:09:33,080 Speaker 1: one hundred days? Yeah, Look, I think the biggest challenge is, 163 00:09:33,080 --> 00:09:35,320 Speaker 1: and we've talked about this some there are relatively few 164 00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:38,880 Speaker 1: people in the Democratic Party who have any knowledge whatsoever 165 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:44,520 Speaker 1: of basic economic policy. I mean elected officials. I don't 166 00:09:44,520 --> 00:09:46,560 Speaker 1: even know who you would point to now and say, 167 00:09:46,640 --> 00:09:48,480 Speaker 1: we've talked about this before. If you had to draft 168 00:09:48,559 --> 00:09:51,199 Speaker 1: somebody in the Biden administration and say, hey, this person 169 00:09:51,320 --> 00:09:53,600 Speaker 1: is super competent, even if I disagree with some of 170 00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:57,280 Speaker 1: the decisions or perspectives they might have. I can't even 171 00:09:57,280 --> 00:09:59,120 Speaker 1: if we had a fantasy draft right now we got 172 00:09:59,120 --> 00:10:02,240 Speaker 1: to replace Joe, I didn't with one of his administration officials. 173 00:10:02,679 --> 00:10:05,560 Speaker 1: I'm not even sure buck who would be better than Biden? 174 00:10:05,559 --> 00:10:08,280 Speaker 1: And Biden's awful, But who would you even point to? 175 00:10:08,440 --> 00:10:10,400 Speaker 1: I mean, we know Marek Garland's a disaster. You just 176 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:14,959 Speaker 1: heard Janet Yellen saying her single most important job, which is, hey, 177 00:10:15,320 --> 00:10:21,239 Speaker 1: don't have two generations worthy worst forty years, worst inflation. 178 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:24,840 Speaker 1: She totally whipped on Mayor Pete was on paternity leave 179 00:10:24,880 --> 00:10:27,480 Speaker 1: as we had the greatest supply chain crisis of all time. 180 00:10:27,880 --> 00:10:31,240 Speaker 1: Kamala Harris is probably the most incompetent vice president of 181 00:10:31,280 --> 00:10:33,640 Speaker 1: all time. I mean we can run through the list 182 00:10:33,679 --> 00:10:35,600 Speaker 1: Health and Human secretary. I mean, who do you even 183 00:10:35,640 --> 00:10:38,319 Speaker 1: point to buck and say, hey, you know what, this person, 184 00:10:38,720 --> 00:10:41,880 Speaker 1: in their particularly small scope has done a good job. 185 00:10:41,960 --> 00:10:46,199 Speaker 1: Jennifer Granholm didn't know the basic rudimentary knowledge of how 186 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:48,160 Speaker 1: many barrels of oil we went through a day. I mean, 187 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:50,720 Speaker 1: you're the Energy secretary. I just I look at the 188 00:10:50,760 --> 00:10:53,920 Speaker 1: list and they are I've said this before, but you know, 189 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:56,600 Speaker 1: Abraham Lincoln had a team of rivals. Doris Kerns Goodwin 190 00:10:56,679 --> 00:10:59,400 Speaker 1: wrote a great book about how stacked his cabinet was. 191 00:11:00,280 --> 00:11:02,960 Speaker 1: Biden has got a team of incompetence. They're actually even 192 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:06,400 Speaker 1: worse than he is. This is what you have to do, though, 193 00:11:06,440 --> 00:11:08,280 Speaker 1: if you're going to be a Democrat these days, you 194 00:11:08,360 --> 00:11:11,880 Speaker 1: have to in high office. You have to worship at 195 00:11:11,880 --> 00:11:14,760 Speaker 1: the altar of climate change. You have to be a 196 00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:17,640 Speaker 1: stealth socialist. I mean you want to be rich. Of course, 197 00:11:17,640 --> 00:11:19,400 Speaker 1: as the Democrat in the White House, you're gonna take 198 00:11:19,400 --> 00:11:21,240 Speaker 1: the book deal and everything else. But you want for 199 00:11:21,280 --> 00:11:23,920 Speaker 1: everybody else, you got to pay higher prices at the pump. 200 00:11:23,920 --> 00:11:27,959 Speaker 1: It's good for the economy. You've got to pay higher taxes. Well, 201 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:31,040 Speaker 1: that's your fair share, right. These are requirements, These are 202 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:37,000 Speaker 1: ideological acid tests, litmus tests for people to be able 203 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:40,360 Speaker 1: to hold these kinds of jobs. And because they've become 204 00:11:40,480 --> 00:11:45,160 Speaker 1: so insistent upon this, and instead of going for expertise, 205 00:11:45,200 --> 00:11:47,840 Speaker 1: they go for party fealty. The people who are making 206 00:11:47,880 --> 00:11:51,040 Speaker 1: these decisions are zealots, and they're incompetent. And so when 207 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:54,360 Speaker 1: you have a whole group of incompetent zealots all sitting 208 00:11:54,360 --> 00:11:57,000 Speaker 1: around together, I mean, didn't work out well for the 209 00:11:57,040 --> 00:11:59,160 Speaker 1: Soviet Union. I'm just gonna say it, right, You actually 210 00:11:59,160 --> 00:12:03,320 Speaker 1: don't want people sitting around you who don't really know anything, 211 00:12:03,600 --> 00:12:05,240 Speaker 1: and all they want to do is stick to the 212 00:12:05,240 --> 00:12:08,400 Speaker 1: party line and orthodoxy so that they can maintain their 213 00:12:08,440 --> 00:12:11,320 Speaker 1: position and their power. And I think that's unfortunately a 214 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:15,240 Speaker 1: window into the Biden regime right now. You don't have anybody, 215 00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:17,840 Speaker 1: look at all the disasters out there, you don't have 216 00:12:17,880 --> 00:12:21,600 Speaker 1: anybody stepping out clay from a position, you know, from 217 00:12:21,600 --> 00:12:26,000 Speaker 1: a position in the Biden cabinet to say we really 218 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:29,480 Speaker 1: do need to have a real discussion about changing course here, 219 00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:31,840 Speaker 1: or even say you know what, if we don't change course, 220 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:34,600 Speaker 1: I'm gonna resign, because you know, they all want to 221 00:12:34,600 --> 00:12:38,200 Speaker 1: sit on the boards of those big lib dominated companies afterwards. 222 00:12:38,240 --> 00:12:40,360 Speaker 1: They all want that book deal, They want to be 223 00:12:40,400 --> 00:12:45,040 Speaker 1: welcomed on PBS and CNN, and so the country suffers. Well, 224 00:12:45,080 --> 00:12:47,200 Speaker 1: they dance around and act like this isn't because they're 225 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:49,640 Speaker 1: a bunch of idiots, which, unfortunately now I want to 226 00:12:49,640 --> 00:12:52,400 Speaker 1: say idiots. It's really more about judgment and wisdom than 227 00:12:52,440 --> 00:12:54,520 Speaker 1: it is about knowledge. I mean some of them, you know, 228 00:12:54,559 --> 00:12:57,000 Speaker 1: they went to fancy schools whatever, That doesn't make you smart. 229 00:12:57,679 --> 00:13:00,640 Speaker 1: The idea of modern monetary theory, which we've talked about 230 00:13:00,640 --> 00:13:03,160 Speaker 1: some on this show, which essentially boils down to the 231 00:13:03,200 --> 00:13:06,320 Speaker 1: idea that deficits don't matter and the government can print 232 00:13:06,400 --> 00:13:10,520 Speaker 1: as much money, it was ascendant as early as January 233 00:13:10,520 --> 00:13:13,040 Speaker 1: of this year, and certainly all of last year during 234 00:13:13,040 --> 00:13:16,440 Speaker 1: the Biden administration, as they were spending money hand over fist. 235 00:13:16,640 --> 00:13:21,120 Speaker 1: Now the reality has reared itself, and it turns out 236 00:13:21,200 --> 00:13:24,160 Speaker 1: that the economic lessons that we all learned throughout our 237 00:13:24,320 --> 00:13:28,360 Speaker 1: entire lives. You can't borrow massive amounts of money without 238 00:13:28,520 --> 00:13:32,600 Speaker 1: consequential economic consequence. By the way, that's still true. Yeah, 239 00:13:32,600 --> 00:13:34,920 Speaker 1: And you know, we used to have these debates with 240 00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:38,600 Speaker 1: the left where we'd say things like, well, why not 241 00:13:38,679 --> 00:13:41,200 Speaker 1: just make the minimum wage one hundred dollars an hour, right, 242 00:13:41,240 --> 00:13:43,400 Speaker 1: just just to establish the point, Or why not just 243 00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:45,840 Speaker 1: give everybody Okay, you're gonna do you're gonna have the 244 00:13:45,880 --> 00:13:48,040 Speaker 1: government paying people to stay home. Why not just give 245 00:13:48,080 --> 00:13:50,720 Speaker 1: everybody you know one hundred grand and see what that does. 246 00:13:51,160 --> 00:13:53,760 Speaker 1: And the Democrats, instead of realizing how crazy that is, 247 00:13:53,920 --> 00:13:56,600 Speaker 1: we're like, yeah, let's let's do that. Actually, let's try 248 00:13:56,600 --> 00:13:58,920 Speaker 1: that out. Let's take us to the outer limits. It's 249 00:13:58,960 --> 00:14:01,400 Speaker 1: it's madness that are Fortunately people are seeing. You're seeing 250 00:14:01,400 --> 00:14:04,160 Speaker 1: it every day, folks, We're not you're actually feeling at 251 00:14:04,160 --> 00:14:06,440 Speaker 1: seeing it, looking at those numbers when you're at the pump, 252 00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:09,439 Speaker 1: when you're paying for groceries, you're sending in that mortgage check. 253 00:14:10,200 --> 00:14:13,960 Speaker 1: Biden build back not so better, that's for sure. 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So from your cell phone right now, 271 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:07,560 Speaker 1: dial pound two five zero, say Clay and Buck. You'll 272 00:15:07,600 --> 00:15:10,200 Speaker 1: save an additional fifty percent off your first month. You 273 00:15:10,200 --> 00:15:12,640 Speaker 1: can literally be switched over to Pure Talk service in 274 00:15:12,760 --> 00:15:17,080 Speaker 1: less than ten minutes. Dial pound two five zero, say 275 00:15:17,160 --> 00:15:22,840 Speaker 1: Clay and Buck. Clay Travis at Buck Sexton Making Sense 276 00:15:23,040 --> 00:15:34,320 Speaker 1: in an insane world? Walk back in our number three 277 00:15:34,400 --> 00:15:37,480 Speaker 1: Wednesday edition of the program. I am play Travis, he 278 00:15:37,560 --> 00:15:41,440 Speaker 1: is Buck Sexton. The Johnny Depp amber Heard trial will 279 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:43,600 Speaker 1: come down literally as we go off the air. I 280 00:15:43,680 --> 00:15:45,640 Speaker 1: would like to go back and look at the ratings 281 00:15:45,640 --> 00:15:48,120 Speaker 1: to see whether we just spike at three, like when 282 00:15:48,120 --> 00:15:51,920 Speaker 1: Sean Hannity comes on at three o'clock with the Amber 283 00:15:51,960 --> 00:15:55,040 Speaker 1: Heard Johnny Depp verdict or his ratings. I mean to 284 00:15:55,160 --> 00:15:57,280 Speaker 1: be off the jar like as our audience obsessed with this, 285 00:15:57,400 --> 00:15:59,560 Speaker 1: would we cover it live? Is? I wonder? I mean, 286 00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:01,640 Speaker 1: you know N's got a huge audience. Is he gonna 287 00:16:01,680 --> 00:16:03,520 Speaker 1: cover it lot? You know, go to it live? I mean, 288 00:16:03,800 --> 00:16:06,720 Speaker 1: I don't know. I think we probably would. I would 289 00:16:06,760 --> 00:16:09,040 Speaker 1: argue that we I don't know the answer to how 290 00:16:09,080 --> 00:16:12,200 Speaker 1: obsessed our audience is. But I just look at the 291 00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:14,480 Speaker 1: amount of time Buck that Fox News kept it up, 292 00:16:14,520 --> 00:16:16,360 Speaker 1: CNN kept it up. I mean, those guys look at 293 00:16:16,400 --> 00:16:19,040 Speaker 1: ratings on a regular basis and they're pretty fired up. 294 00:16:19,280 --> 00:16:22,320 Speaker 1: We'll ask Anny McCarthy. Let me start with that question. 295 00:16:22,920 --> 00:16:25,800 Speaker 1: Have you paid any attention at all to the Johnny 296 00:16:25,840 --> 00:16:30,280 Speaker 1: Depp amber Heard Trial? Are you surprised at amber turn 297 00:16:30,400 --> 00:16:33,400 Speaker 1: which is what she trended with sometimes gives you an 298 00:16:33,440 --> 00:16:36,800 Speaker 1: idea how much stitching I've paid to this. Are you surprised, 299 00:16:36,840 --> 00:16:39,880 Speaker 1: Andy that people cared as much about a defamation trial 300 00:16:39,920 --> 00:16:43,480 Speaker 1: in northern Virginia or are you utterly disgusted that I 301 00:16:43,520 --> 00:16:46,080 Speaker 1: even asked you, as a legal expert your opinion on 302 00:16:46,120 --> 00:16:51,080 Speaker 1: this case. You know, look, I what energy I've spent 303 00:16:51,160 --> 00:16:55,400 Speaker 1: on this has been to struggle, like avoid any encounters 304 00:16:55,400 --> 00:16:58,880 Speaker 1: with it. Yeah, but I have I have a sort 305 00:16:58,920 --> 00:17:02,360 Speaker 1: of a personal take on this because I tried one 306 00:17:02,400 --> 00:17:07,199 Speaker 1: of the one of the great federal criminal trials in 307 00:17:07,760 --> 00:17:11,240 Speaker 1: at least modern American history, in the terrorism case in 308 00:17:11,280 --> 00:17:15,800 Speaker 1: the nineteen nineties. But you know, federal trials are not 309 00:17:16,520 --> 00:17:20,119 Speaker 1: on television m and every day that we were on 310 00:17:20,160 --> 00:17:23,080 Speaker 1: trial in nineteen ninety five, they had this little thing 311 00:17:23,080 --> 00:17:26,440 Speaker 1: out in California called the O. J. Simpson Case. Oh yeah, 312 00:17:26,520 --> 00:17:29,520 Speaker 1: you know, we only had the you know, the future 313 00:17:29,600 --> 00:17:32,879 Speaker 1: of the of the country and civilization. They had sex 314 00:17:32,880 --> 00:17:36,359 Speaker 1: and drugs. Right, You're you're prosecuting the World Trade Center 315 00:17:36,440 --> 00:17:39,119 Speaker 1: bombing ring and the and the blind shake, right, and 316 00:17:39,280 --> 00:17:42,760 Speaker 1: he wasn't that the trial, that's right? And the OJ 317 00:17:42,880 --> 00:17:45,399 Speaker 1: Simpson case, day for day was on the same at 318 00:17:45,400 --> 00:17:47,359 Speaker 1: the same time as we were to the point where 319 00:17:47,800 --> 00:17:51,520 Speaker 1: when we won the case, they wanted us on nightline. 320 00:17:51,520 --> 00:17:53,880 Speaker 1: They wanted me to come on and debate Lynn Stewart 321 00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:56,800 Speaker 1: about the trial. And while we were arguing in the 322 00:17:56,840 --> 00:17:58,800 Speaker 1: office about whether I should go on and do it 323 00:17:58,840 --> 00:18:00,879 Speaker 1: because the government has only seaks in court. You know, 324 00:18:00,880 --> 00:18:03,359 Speaker 1: we're not supposed to go on nightline. While we are 325 00:18:03,400 --> 00:18:05,280 Speaker 1: having this argument in the office, we got a call 326 00:18:05,520 --> 00:18:10,000 Speaker 1: she said, never mind, JUDGEDO says there's a verdict. We 327 00:18:10,119 --> 00:18:12,600 Speaker 1: never even did. They actually decided their case. I think 328 00:18:12,640 --> 00:18:15,600 Speaker 1: the day after after we did. It was really extraordinary 329 00:18:15,600 --> 00:18:18,280 Speaker 1: to have these two things going on at the same time. 330 00:18:18,320 --> 00:18:21,120 Speaker 1: So anyway, that was that a long winded way enough 331 00:18:21,440 --> 00:18:25,920 Speaker 1: of avoiding answering your question about that. No, I appreciate. 332 00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:28,800 Speaker 1: I'm genuinely curious how much of our audience has been 333 00:18:28,800 --> 00:18:30,560 Speaker 1: paying close attention to it. I want to give you credit. 334 00:18:30,560 --> 00:18:32,600 Speaker 1: We had join I guess it was last week, right Buck. Yeah, 335 00:18:32,640 --> 00:18:36,520 Speaker 1: and you basically nailed this Suessman trial in general. Was 336 00:18:36,560 --> 00:18:40,640 Speaker 1: there anything that surprised you about the results that came out? 337 00:18:42,119 --> 00:18:45,399 Speaker 1: The result doesn't surprise me. I was a little surprised 338 00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:52,640 Speaker 1: by the end at how weak Durham's case was, because 339 00:18:52,680 --> 00:18:54,960 Speaker 1: when when it got set up for trial for us 340 00:18:55,480 --> 00:18:58,720 Speaker 1: he had the text. Yes, you know that what we 341 00:18:58,760 --> 00:19:01,399 Speaker 1: called the smoking gun text. But then you realize he 342 00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:04,919 Speaker 1: didn't have it when they indicted yea. And it just 343 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:07,439 Speaker 1: made me wonder, you know, what made him think he 344 00:19:07,480 --> 00:19:09,159 Speaker 1: was gonna be able to prove it. Let's say the 345 00:19:09,200 --> 00:19:12,640 Speaker 1: text never happened. How do you prove, be under reasonable doubt, 346 00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:15,040 Speaker 1: what the statement was, you know, before you get like, 347 00:19:15,359 --> 00:19:17,879 Speaker 1: sorry to cut you off there for our audience that 348 00:19:17,960 --> 00:19:20,160 Speaker 1: may not know what you're talking about with the text, 349 00:19:20,280 --> 00:19:22,840 Speaker 1: can you explain, because I do think that's really significant, 350 00:19:22,880 --> 00:19:25,600 Speaker 1: and it's kind of complicated why that wasn't a part 351 00:19:25,640 --> 00:19:29,199 Speaker 1: of the indictment of a criminal defense. Yeah, so he 352 00:19:29,280 --> 00:19:34,240 Speaker 1: indicts in the meeting that happened between Sessman and the 353 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:38,479 Speaker 1: FBI Jim Baker, who has done the General Council. Happened 354 00:19:38,520 --> 00:19:43,200 Speaker 1: on September nineteenth, twenty sixteen, and most federal trial most 355 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:46,160 Speaker 1: federal crimes have a five year statute of limitations, including 356 00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:49,880 Speaker 1: full statements, so he had to indict by September nineteenth, 357 00:19:49,880 --> 00:19:52,879 Speaker 1: twenty twenty one, and he did it like flush up 358 00:19:52,920 --> 00:19:57,520 Speaker 1: against the statute of limitations, and then months later in March, 359 00:19:58,240 --> 00:20:04,879 Speaker 1: about six weeks before. While he's preparing Baker to testify, 360 00:20:04,960 --> 00:20:06,399 Speaker 1: he says to him, you know, look, if you have 361 00:20:06,520 --> 00:20:10,600 Speaker 1: any records, anything in your that you're hoarding that is 362 00:20:10,680 --> 00:20:12,600 Speaker 1: relevant to the case, we need that so we could 363 00:20:12,640 --> 00:20:16,000 Speaker 1: turn it over to the defense. And Baker went back 364 00:20:16,040 --> 00:20:18,400 Speaker 1: and checked in the ice, you know, in the cloud, 365 00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:22,600 Speaker 1: his old text messages, and found all these messages from Susman, 366 00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:25,920 Speaker 1: including the text message in question. So the problem that 367 00:20:26,040 --> 00:20:28,959 Speaker 1: Durham handed ordinarily, if you get new evidence that's like, 368 00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:32,359 Speaker 1: I mean, this evidence was perfect the Durham in the 369 00:20:32,359 --> 00:20:35,399 Speaker 1: sense that it's a flat out statement, not relying on 370 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:39,080 Speaker 1: Baker's memory, but a flat out statement from Susman that says, 371 00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:42,359 Speaker 1: I'm not representing a client, I'm just coming to the 372 00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:44,920 Speaker 1: FBI because I want to help the bureau concerned about 373 00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:48,680 Speaker 1: the country, you know, all that good stuff. So ordinarily, 374 00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:52,040 Speaker 1: if you've got something that was that incriminating as a prosecutor, 375 00:20:52,040 --> 00:20:53,960 Speaker 1: you would just tootle back into the grand jury and 376 00:20:54,040 --> 00:20:56,920 Speaker 1: supersede the indictment, add new charges, or tighten up the 377 00:20:57,000 --> 00:20:59,800 Speaker 1: charges you've had. But he couldn't do that because this 378 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:03,000 Speaker 1: statute of limitations had already run. So if he had 379 00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:07,520 Speaker 1: even substantially changed the indictment, he risked losing the whole count, 380 00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:10,679 Speaker 1: you know, losing the case. So they were able to 381 00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:13,640 Speaker 1: use they were able to put the text in as 382 00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:20,600 Speaker 1: evidence that probably Susman said what Baker said, he said 383 00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:23,399 Speaker 1: at the meeting, but the jury was told they couldn't 384 00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:25,760 Speaker 1: convict based on the text. They had a convict based 385 00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:27,920 Speaker 1: on whether they found that he made the statement at 386 00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:30,119 Speaker 1: the meeting or not. So wow, I mean this is amazing, 387 00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:35,119 Speaker 1: and because obviously the Democrat aligned media yesterday, I mean, CNN, 388 00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:37,879 Speaker 1: it was just not guilty, big victory for justice, you know, 389 00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:41,000 Speaker 1: the whole thing. You're just telling us that this essentially 390 00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:46,600 Speaker 1: came down to timing and the bureaucratic machinery that was 391 00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:48,440 Speaker 1: at work in the prosecution. I mean, it was kind 392 00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:51,400 Speaker 1: of a it was just a technicality. Really yeah, well 393 00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:53,960 Speaker 1: that fuck. I think that's a big part of it. 394 00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:56,800 Speaker 1: As far as like the strength of his case is concerned. 395 00:21:57,400 --> 00:21:59,840 Speaker 1: I think he could have gotten over that hurdle because 396 00:21:59,840 --> 00:22:01,879 Speaker 1: it makes sense to me to conclude that, you know, 397 00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:04,439 Speaker 1: why would Sessman has says something different at the meeting 398 00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:07,399 Speaker 1: when you have the text right before the meeting and 399 00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:09,719 Speaker 1: you have these statements he made to the other FBI 400 00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:12,080 Speaker 1: officials right after the meeting that are consistent with the 401 00:22:12,119 --> 00:22:14,760 Speaker 1: idea that Sessman came in and said he wasn't representing 402 00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:17,520 Speaker 1: a client. So I think he could have gotten past 403 00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:19,840 Speaker 1: that hurdle, although it's a tougher case than you would 404 00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:22,480 Speaker 1: think from the text. To me, the big problem in 405 00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:27,399 Speaker 1: his cases you have to decide going in what was 406 00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:32,199 Speaker 1: the role of the FBI here? And his theory Durham 407 00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:35,680 Speaker 1: is that the FBI is a dupe. And I think 408 00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:39,240 Speaker 1: those of us who followed this Russigate stuff for years 409 00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:42,000 Speaker 1: think that it's a lot more complicated than that, and 410 00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:45,800 Speaker 1: that the FBI was more of a willful, willing, complicit 411 00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:49,840 Speaker 1: participant in this than somebody who was fooled or an 412 00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:53,400 Speaker 1: agency that was fooled. Okay, Andy, let's say you've done 413 00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:55,840 Speaker 1: these cases for a long time. Let's say Durham had 414 00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:59,760 Speaker 1: gotten a conviction. Does it change anything going forward? Because 415 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:02,840 Speaker 1: you pointed out the statute of limitations issue. Now that 416 00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:05,240 Speaker 1: we're into twenty twenty two, a lot of these charges 417 00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:08,399 Speaker 1: related to the twenty sixteen campaign would be virtually impossible 418 00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:11,879 Speaker 1: to bring. Is there something more to come? Was the 419 00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:16,080 Speaker 1: at least admission from Robbie Much, Hillary Clinton's campaign manager, 420 00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:19,800 Speaker 1: that she had been involved in forwarding this false information 421 00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:22,880 Speaker 1: the most impactful. Where do we go from here as 422 00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:26,400 Speaker 1: it pertains to Durham's investigation, Well, you know, Clay, he's 423 00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:28,880 Speaker 1: got this other trial that's coming up in October. He's 424 00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:31,119 Speaker 1: got to try the guy Dan Chanko, who is the 425 00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:33,680 Speaker 1: source of the steel dosier. And that's another case where 426 00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:36,840 Speaker 1: he's saying the FBI was duped right the charges lying 427 00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:41,680 Speaker 1: to the FBI. So immediately we know that's the next 428 00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:44,199 Speaker 1: legal thing that has to happen. As far as like 429 00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:48,399 Speaker 1: the final outcome here, I've always thought that the reason 430 00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:54,000 Speaker 1: that Attorney General Barr made Durham a special counsel as 431 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:58,040 Speaker 1: opposed to just like the federal prosecutor from Connecticut who 432 00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:00,560 Speaker 1: was assigned to do this case, he wanted them to 433 00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:02,640 Speaker 1: be able to write a narrative report at the end, 434 00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:05,520 Speaker 1: just like Muller was able to do. Ordinary prosecutors don't 435 00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:07,399 Speaker 1: get to do that. You just if you can't charge, 436 00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:08,879 Speaker 1: you just close the case and move on to the 437 00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:12,040 Speaker 1: next case. Special counsel gets to write a report, And 438 00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:17,640 Speaker 1: I think Barr probably knew or suspected that a lot 439 00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:22,000 Speaker 1: of what happened here, while ikey is not necessarily illegal, 440 00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:27,920 Speaker 1: and what the best hope is that you get political 441 00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:31,000 Speaker 1: accountability for what actually happened here and what the Clinton 442 00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:34,960 Speaker 1: campaign did. Now I'd like to see. I think what 443 00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:38,959 Speaker 1: makes the scandalous is the idea that the government agencies 444 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:44,040 Speaker 1: were put in the service of partisan politics. And I'm 445 00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:47,520 Speaker 1: leery about what the report ultimately is going to say, 446 00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:52,359 Speaker 1: if it's going to essentially exculpate the FBI and the 447 00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:55,560 Speaker 1: government at large as a participant in this, because I 448 00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:59,640 Speaker 1: think what really made the scandalous was that the government 449 00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:03,040 Speaker 1: was the Clinton That's where that's where the real collusion was, Andy, 450 00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:05,480 Speaker 1: the government working with the Clinton campaign and the media. 451 00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:08,960 Speaker 1: We're speaking to Annie McCarthy of National Review, Fox News contributor, 452 00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:13,040 Speaker 1: and a legal expert, and Andy, I will not ask 453 00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:15,760 Speaker 1: you to opine on the latest revelations about Hunter Biden. 454 00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:18,240 Speaker 1: We already ask you about the Amber Heard Johnny Depp trial, 455 00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:21,359 Speaker 1: So we're taking you in that direction. If anyone, Clayton 456 00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:23,119 Speaker 1: I might talk about us a little bit later on 457 00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:25,760 Speaker 1: in the hour. It's almost hard. I can't even read 458 00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:27,879 Speaker 1: some of this stuff on the air that earned the 459 00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:31,720 Speaker 1: headlines about Hunter Biden. But I'm just wondering if you think, 460 00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:34,760 Speaker 1: given what we've seen here with a jury that looks 461 00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:36,919 Speaker 1: like they didn't want to or you know, it was 462 00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:40,159 Speaker 1: unlikely they would convict because of the politics around the 463 00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:45,080 Speaker 1: suspen trial, the politics around even prosecuting the sitting president's son, 464 00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:51,240 Speaker 1: who is clearly a walking catastrophe, legal risk, etc. How 465 00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:53,119 Speaker 1: do you think that shakes out? Clay and I have 466 00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:55,600 Speaker 1: an important bet on this. Yeah, well, you know, but 467 00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:59,080 Speaker 1: there was an important development last week, but with everything 468 00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:01,760 Speaker 1: going on, I think it really went under the radar. 469 00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:05,679 Speaker 1: Which is one of the outfits that's being investigated in 470 00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:12,560 Speaker 1: the Hunter Biden investigation is this Blue Star Strategies, which 471 00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:16,840 Speaker 1: is this Clinton connected consulting firm that Hunter brought in 472 00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:21,840 Speaker 1: to lobby the Obama administration on behalf of Barisma, which 473 00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:25,480 Speaker 1: is this Ukrainian company that he was on the payroll at. Right, 474 00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:29,920 Speaker 1: So quietly, what the US attorney did in that case 475 00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:34,200 Speaker 1: was about five days earlier they were told that they 476 00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:38,480 Speaker 1: had to register as a foreign agent. In other words, 477 00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:45,119 Speaker 1: they didn't prosecute them, they said, and these guys as 478 00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:49,159 Speaker 1: a result, went in and you know, filed what they 479 00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:50,879 Speaker 1: should have filed in the first place, saying that they 480 00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:54,160 Speaker 1: had been a foreign agent, and then five days later 481 00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:59,159 Speaker 1: they quietly dropped the case. And I thought that was 482 00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:02,440 Speaker 1: interesting because what they've been saying about Hunter is that 483 00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:05,120 Speaker 1: they're looking not only at his taxes, but at whether 484 00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:08,640 Speaker 1: he violated the foreign agent laws, and that could lead 485 00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:11,320 Speaker 1: to money laundering, because if the money is illegal when 486 00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:14,040 Speaker 1: he got it, and he changed its form a number 487 00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:16,879 Speaker 1: of times, that could be money laundering. So if they 488 00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:21,680 Speaker 1: decided to punt on blue Star strategies, it suggests to 489 00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:25,600 Speaker 1: me that the foreign agent part of the case is collapsing. 490 00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:28,320 Speaker 1: And what I've always thought would probably end up happening 491 00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:33,440 Speaker 1: with Hunter is, after all this, you know, this big wind, 492 00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:37,040 Speaker 1: what would end up happening. Justice would take like a 493 00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:40,399 Speaker 1: minor tax flea from him, or maybe even a civil 494 00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:43,080 Speaker 1: settlement where he gets to pay a fine, And that 495 00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:46,480 Speaker 1: way Biden can say he didn't interfere with the investigation. 496 00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:49,879 Speaker 1: DJ can say, look at how brave we are. We 497 00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:52,840 Speaker 1: went after the president's son. But in the meantime, nobody's 498 00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:55,879 Speaker 1: going to care about the case because the Hunter's tax 499 00:27:56,000 --> 00:28:02,800 Speaker 1: issues are the least interesting aspect of what went on investigation. Yeah, 500 00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:04,280 Speaker 1: by the way, that means that you would like to 501 00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:07,520 Speaker 1: take the side of Buck Sexton in our Great Stake 502 00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:10,960 Speaker 1: debate is based on that analysis. Andy, one last question 503 00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:14,200 Speaker 1: for you. You talked about these text messages being found 504 00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:17,920 Speaker 1: after the statute of limitations had already occurred and the 505 00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:21,639 Speaker 1: charges had already been brought against Sussman. Why in the 506 00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:26,000 Speaker 1: world were these text messages not found until then, because 507 00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:28,360 Speaker 1: if they had had these text messages, is there anything 508 00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:31,440 Speaker 1: nefarious from your perspective, Like you suddenly go on the 509 00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:34,520 Speaker 1: cloud and you're the FBI, and you're like, oh, here's 510 00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:38,480 Speaker 1: a text message where he directly admits that he was 511 00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:42,000 Speaker 1: not representing someone while he was clearly representing the Clintons. 512 00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:45,960 Speaker 1: It's in writing. It seems even with a Democrat jury 513 00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:49,160 Speaker 1: in the city of Washington, DC, there this would have 514 00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:52,080 Speaker 1: led to a conviction. And you may know the specifics. 515 00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:54,440 Speaker 1: Why in the world was this not discovered in time 516 00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:57,560 Speaker 1: to include as part of the indictment. Yeah, you know 517 00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:01,480 Speaker 1: when you asked that, I keep thinking about remember that 518 00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:05,640 Speaker 1: movie years and years ago, Absence of Malice. Had Wilfred Brindley, 519 00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:07,920 Speaker 1: the prosecutor comes in at the end and he says, 520 00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:13,680 Speaker 1: you know, wonderful thing, a SUBPOENI why didn't they issue 521 00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:17,160 Speaker 1: a subpoena to a Baker? I don't I don't get that. 522 00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:20,640 Speaker 1: I mean, I've heard that Durham. The story that's been 523 00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:24,400 Speaker 1: put out is that Durham was kind of derailed in 524 00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:30,080 Speaker 1: part because of the Inspector General's investigation of various aspects 525 00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:32,880 Speaker 1: of the way the FBI handled these cases. I've never 526 00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:36,600 Speaker 1: heard of a situation where a prosecutor, especially a special 527 00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:40,080 Speaker 1: counsel who's supposed to be quasi independent of the Justice Department, 528 00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:44,680 Speaker 1: has to wait to do anything before the Inspector General 529 00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:47,320 Speaker 1: is finished an internal investigation. I don't know why they 530 00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:50,760 Speaker 1: couldn't have just subpoena and Baker, and it would have 531 00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:52,880 Speaker 1: been in your interest to do that, because you don't 532 00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:56,320 Speaker 1: rely on Baker's good will. I'm not I'm not taking 533 00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:59,720 Speaker 1: a shot at Baker here, but like you subpoena witnesses 534 00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:03,480 Speaker 1: because it's the government's responsibility to gather the evidence. You 535 00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:06,520 Speaker 1: don't rely on their good faith and like figuring out 536 00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:09,560 Speaker 1: what might be relevant to your investigation and then giving 537 00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:11,960 Speaker 1: it to you in the goodness to their heart. So 538 00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:15,120 Speaker 1: I don't understand why that stuff wasn't subpoena. Yeah. Well, 539 00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:17,520 Speaker 1: and again this is just me, you know, putting on 540 00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:19,960 Speaker 1: my lawyer hat, so to speak. You're obviously the expert here. 541 00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:23,240 Speaker 1: If you had been prosecuting this case, and you obviously 542 00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:26,200 Speaker 1: have a lot of experience in this, you bring the case, 543 00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:29,400 Speaker 1: you realize that it's a tenuous, difficult case potentially to 544 00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:32,880 Speaker 1: prove beyond a reasonable doubt, and then this text message 545 00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:35,719 Speaker 1: get dropped, gets dropped in your lap, but you are 546 00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:37,840 Speaker 1: no longer able to use it as a part of 547 00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:41,080 Speaker 1: the criminal indictment based on the timing. What would your 548 00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:46,320 Speaker 1: reaction have been. Well, you know, it's a tough question 549 00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:49,840 Speaker 1: to answer because you have to you know, the premise 550 00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:52,120 Speaker 1: is that you would have indicted the case on the 551 00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:57,040 Speaker 1: strength of the evidence without the text. Let's put it 552 00:30:57,120 --> 00:30:59,040 Speaker 1: this way. I would have been very angry to find 553 00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:02,280 Speaker 1: out about that at a late stage, but I would 554 00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:05,400 Speaker 1: have been kicking myself if I could have. I mean, look, 555 00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:09,720 Speaker 1: Durhams had this investigation since twenty nineteen. Yeah, I don't 556 00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:13,000 Speaker 1: know of any reason why he couldn't subpoena documents from 557 00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:16,479 Speaker 1: everybody who he needed to see the documents from. It's 558 00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:18,920 Speaker 1: a great answer, A great question. Man, You're always fantastic. 559 00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:20,920 Speaker 1: You know, maybe we need to have you back for 560 00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:23,440 Speaker 1: the Amber heard Johnny Depp trial when all these sactions 561 00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:29,120 Speaker 1: have happened. No, that is Andy McCarthy. Encourage you to 562 00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:31,440 Speaker 1: go follow him on Twitter. He really is fantastic breaking 563 00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:33,080 Speaker 1: down all this stuff. Know how busy you? I appreciate 564 00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:36,600 Speaker 1: you coming on. Thanks guys. You know what I did 565 00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:39,920 Speaker 1: last night? I went to my son's eighth grade graduation ceremony. 566 00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:42,320 Speaker 1: It's a great event. 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It's a constant that emotion, hysteria and 600 00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:46,000 Speaker 1: the media agenda in the moment do not lead to 601 00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:53,240 Speaker 1: good policy decision right, That doesn't lead to government solutions. 602 00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:54,760 Speaker 1: And in fact, there are a lot of people who 603 00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:56,880 Speaker 1: I think are just very uncomfortable with the notion that 604 00:33:57,000 --> 00:34:01,120 Speaker 1: maybe government can't solve something. Maybe the government might actually 605 00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:04,400 Speaker 1: make some situations worse by trying to solve them. It 606 00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:08,120 Speaker 1: all depends on what we're talking about, but it's it's 607 00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:11,560 Speaker 1: essential that we have some sense in this era of 608 00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:16,080 Speaker 1: what I call the combination of mass media and mass hysteria. 609 00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:20,000 Speaker 1: You have to have some sense of what the risks 610 00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:24,520 Speaker 1: really are, what is actually a concern to you, to 611 00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:28,960 Speaker 1: your family. Now, if you listen to this show, chancers 612 00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:31,560 Speaker 1: are overwhelming that you certainly do have a sense of 613 00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:36,880 Speaker 1: what's team reality, what's actually going on in the country, 614 00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:39,320 Speaker 1: what it's like for you, what we need to be 615 00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:43,480 Speaker 1: focused on or thinking about. But there are people who 616 00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:47,839 Speaker 1: push for policies, who push for the government to use 617 00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:53,360 Speaker 1: its power and its force based upon their emotions in 618 00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:55,040 Speaker 1: the moment, and that's not a good idea. It's not 619 00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:57,400 Speaker 1: It was a terrible idea on COVID, as we all know, 620 00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:00,560 Speaker 1: we can just start with that. On the COVID response, 621 00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:06,560 Speaker 1: people were scared, made more scared, much more scared by 622 00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:11,279 Speaker 1: the media apparatus, and then it just turned into, Hey, 623 00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:16,880 Speaker 1: anybody who stands in the way of our unprecedented and 624 00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:22,560 Speaker 1: unscientific and reckless decision making, whether it's shutting down schools 625 00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:25,040 Speaker 1: or shutting down you know, businesses, or not letting you 626 00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:26,800 Speaker 1: go to church, or making you get a shot you 627 00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:30,600 Speaker 1: don't need, or whatever, it is masking everybody up. Everywhere. 628 00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:36,560 Speaker 1: It was the hysterics, shouting down the people that were saying, 629 00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:39,640 Speaker 1: hold on a second, let's think this through, let's look 630 00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:42,520 Speaker 1: at cause and effect, let's look at the data. Shut up, 631 00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:45,080 Speaker 1: you just want grandma to die, That's what they said. 632 00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:48,440 Speaker 1: And on the issue of gun control, which were now 633 00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:52,200 Speaker 1: obviously in a cycle of discussion of this, the same 634 00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:55,960 Speaker 1: cycles we've had before. It's if you don't agree that 635 00:35:56,239 --> 00:36:02,280 Speaker 1: expanding a fraction of the gun sales or gun transfers 636 00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:05,880 Speaker 1: in the country to private transfers going through a federal 637 00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:09,680 Speaker 1: background check, you don't care about children dying. This is 638 00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:13,200 Speaker 1: what they say. This is the Democrat position, whether it's 639 00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:16,319 Speaker 1: Beto O'Rourke making a jackass of himself when he says 640 00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:19,280 Speaker 1: that any number of other people out there, Joe Biden himself, 641 00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:24,200 Speaker 1: and I would just add on the background check system 642 00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:27,279 Speaker 1: that they currently have and the way that it operates 643 00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:31,680 Speaker 1: in states Clay where they do mandate even for private sales, 644 00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:33,480 Speaker 1: if you have to go through federal background check, you 645 00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:34,600 Speaker 1: know the way they do it. I think this is 646 00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:37,440 Speaker 1: how they do in Washington, DC, for example. It's not 647 00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:42,000 Speaker 1: a background check fee the one time that or one time, 648 00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:43,839 Speaker 1: and then you know the person has been checked. If 649 00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:46,080 Speaker 1: you want to sell somebody three guns, if you want 650 00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:49,440 Speaker 1: to sell a family or gift to somebody three guns, 651 00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:53,319 Speaker 1: you have to do the process and the fee each 652 00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:55,600 Speaker 1: and every time, because the process is the punishment. They're 653 00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:59,040 Speaker 1: meant to bother you with this. They want to antagonize 654 00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:02,080 Speaker 1: gun owners. That's the whole point. To antagonize lawful gun 655 00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:03,880 Speaker 1: owners because they don't like you. It's not going to 656 00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:07,080 Speaker 1: actually stop violence anywhere. But the people that push for 657 00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:11,160 Speaker 1: these ideas do what rooted in emotion and hysteria. I mean, 658 00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:17,480 Speaker 1: here is a CNN host who is clearly was clearly 659 00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:22,800 Speaker 1: unnerved to the point where we went beyond what was rational. 660 00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:27,520 Speaker 1: In the aftermath of that shooting in Uvalde, Texas, she 661 00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:30,960 Speaker 1: says that she had a panic attack when she dropped 662 00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:33,480 Speaker 1: her child off at school. But I'm going to be 663 00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:36,640 Speaker 1: honest with you. I had a panic attack dropping my 664 00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:40,440 Speaker 1: son off at school this morning, a full blown panic attack. 665 00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:43,239 Speaker 1: I was terrified at the prospect that it could be 666 00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:47,320 Speaker 1: my last goodbye with my baby, wondering which would be 667 00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:50,840 Speaker 1: the picture, the moment, the stories I might have to 668 00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:53,640 Speaker 1: tell to try to explain what this boy means to me. 669 00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:56,919 Speaker 1: I look at the teachers that were opening the card 670 00:37:56,960 --> 00:37:59,960 Speaker 1: doors to greet him, and I prayed in those moments 671 00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:03,879 Speaker 1: that they would care enough to protect my child, all 672 00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:08,040 Speaker 1: of our children, and frankly, I resented that they might 673 00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:13,840 Speaker 1: have to. All Right, So here's the deal. I understand 674 00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:19,200 Speaker 1: parental fear. I've got three boys. You always worry about 675 00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:22,320 Speaker 1: something happening to your kids. But this, to me, a 676 00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:28,440 Speaker 1: statement like that on CNN is emblematic of emotion overtaking logic, 677 00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:34,200 Speaker 1: and what we consistently reward in media very often is 678 00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:37,479 Speaker 1: emotion over logic. Look, the safest place that your kids 679 00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:41,480 Speaker 1: can be on a statistical level is school. Your kids 680 00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:44,440 Speaker 1: are under far more danger. We talked about this with 681 00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:48,600 Speaker 1: COVID because so many parents behaved irrationally analyzing risk there 682 00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:52,040 Speaker 1: your kids. I'm sure that mother did not get in 683 00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:55,160 Speaker 1: her car and have a near panic attack over the 684 00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:58,400 Speaker 1: fact that they might get into a traffic accident and 685 00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:01,720 Speaker 1: she and her might die on the way to school. 686 00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:05,759 Speaker 1: It's infinitely more likely that that would happen. But what 687 00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:08,360 Speaker 1: happens is and this is one of the great quotes 688 00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:11,000 Speaker 1: that it applies I think even better almost today than 689 00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:15,359 Speaker 1: ever before. Benjamin Franklin said, passion rules, and she never 690 00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:18,879 Speaker 1: rules wisely. And what we have in social media, Buck, 691 00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:23,120 Speaker 1: is every single day it feels like there is a 692 00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:27,520 Speaker 1: new emotional lever that is pulled that people are required 693 00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:31,320 Speaker 1: to respond to, and that has been wear your mask 694 00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:36,520 Speaker 1: in your profile, pick, put the Ukraine flag up, demand 695 00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:39,440 Speaker 1: that all guns no longer be sold. And those are 696 00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:44,640 Speaker 1: all emotion based responses. And so this is important, I think. 697 00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:46,040 Speaker 1: And by the way, we're gonna take your calls when 698 00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:47,520 Speaker 1: we come back. And one bit of news that I 699 00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:51,040 Speaker 1: just saw, we've also got a verdict in that amber 700 00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:54,279 Speaker 1: heard Johnny Depp trial, Buck, that everybody has been obsessed with, 701 00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:58,000 Speaker 1: so hopefully we'll get that verdict here before the show ends. 702 00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:00,040 Speaker 1: Maybe we can go Lie, You've been following that a 703 00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:02,120 Speaker 1: little more closely than me, so I'm very curious to 704 00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:04,719 Speaker 1: hear what you think about what the verdict is. Yeah, 705 00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:08,600 Speaker 1: the double defamation case against each other. We'll see what 706 00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:11,520 Speaker 1: the jury has ultimately come to that conclusion. So that's 707 00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:13,640 Speaker 1: going to happen. We'll take your calls to close out 708 00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:17,200 Speaker 1: by the way the second hour of the program. But 709 00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:20,200 Speaker 1: I do think this is very important. If we eliminated 710 00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:23,960 Speaker 1: every mass shooting in America, do you know what percentage 711 00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:28,239 Speaker 1: of murders would still exist? Ninety nine percent of them. 712 00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:31,160 Speaker 1: I'm not saying that somebody's gonna grab and be like 713 00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:33,960 Speaker 1: Clay Travis minimize it. No. Look, I wish that nobody 714 00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:37,120 Speaker 1: ever got shot, right, I'm as anti death as anyone 715 00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:39,760 Speaker 1: out there on the planet. I wish we all live forever. Okay, 716 00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:45,399 Speaker 1: But I do think it's instructive. I think very few 717 00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:50,080 Speaker 1: people understand that mass shootings are penprick of the violence 718 00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:52,080 Speaker 1: that happens on a day to day basis, because they 719 00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:56,279 Speaker 1: are terrifying because they grab the headlines. But ninety nine 720 00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:59,920 Speaker 1: percent of all shootings and all violence that's occurring has 721 00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:02,839 Speaker 1: nothing to do with mass shooters and the safest place 722 00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:07,759 Speaker 1: your kids can be at school. Sometimes we're making irrational decisions, 723 00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:12,520 Speaker 1: and certainly we saw this with COVID over irrational understandings 724 00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:15,359 Speaker 1: and analysis of risk. So I just think all those 725 00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:18,520 Speaker 1: factors are important to put into play here, and I 726 00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:21,560 Speaker 1: understand why that's powerful from a mother perspective or a 727 00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:24,200 Speaker 1: father perspective for somebody to be saying I had a 728 00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:26,640 Speaker 1: panic attack because I was terrified that my kid's never 729 00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:28,480 Speaker 1: going to come out of school again and somebody's going 730 00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:32,640 Speaker 1: to have to save them and everything else, anything can happen. 731 00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:37,239 Speaker 1: The statistical likelihood of that happening is roughly akin to 732 00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:39,960 Speaker 1: your kid being struck by lightning walking into the school. 733 00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:42,279 Speaker 1: Probably worse than that. I mean, there's a there's a 734 00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:47,960 Speaker 1: bacterial infection called Naglaria foulery that is the brain eating 735 00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:52,440 Speaker 1: amiba that you will occasionally read about, and it's just 736 00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:56,120 Speaker 1: a horrible luxage. It destroys your brain. It's often fatal, 737 00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:59,399 Speaker 1: it's horrific. There have been in the last hundred years 738 00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:02,440 Speaker 1: in this country about one hundred cases of it, and 739 00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:04,160 Speaker 1: you can get it, you know, young or old, you 740 00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:07,040 Speaker 1: get it swimming in a swim. Now, I'm going to 741 00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:11,080 Speaker 1: be terrified exactly right now. But we could have a 742 00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:15,520 Speaker 1: policy where no one's allowed recreational swimming because of Niglaria 743 00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:19,399 Speaker 1: faleri the brain eating amiba, or we could say your 744 00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:22,560 Speaker 1: chance of getting this brain eating amiba, which is horrific. 745 00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:24,799 Speaker 1: It's it's a little, a tiny monster that eats your 746 00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:30,040 Speaker 1: brain is so small that you just can't worry about it. 747 00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:33,640 Speaker 1: It's not worth the worry. 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My psychic senses tell 788 00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:05,279 Speaker 1: me the next variance will arrive in the fall, just 789 00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:08,880 Speaker 1: before the midterms. So you mean like a mid term variant. 790 00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:12,400 Speaker 1: That is my psychic prediction. You'll be told to follow 791 00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:17,640 Speaker 1: the science again, listen to the experts again, and maybe 792 00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:21,600 Speaker 1: not vote due dangerous man? Does this mean masks and 793 00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:25,560 Speaker 1: mandates are coming back to my visions? See many masks, 794 00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:30,360 Speaker 1: especially in certain states that will be one thousand dollars 795 00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:33,680 Speaker 1: please a grand Hey, you're kind of telling me common 796 00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:35,839 Speaker 1: sense stuff here. I could have just tuned into Clay 797 00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:38,680 Speaker 1: Travis and Buck Sexton for free. Oh yeah, I download 798 00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:41,400 Speaker 1: the Clay and Buck podcast every day. Great stuff. You 799 00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:44,040 Speaker 1: can also Venmomi. Thank you. You don't need a psychic 800 00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:46,880 Speaker 1: to predict the libs. Just listen to Clay Travis and 801 00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:52,040 Speaker 1: Buck Sexton voices of sanity in an insane world? Will 802 00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:56,440 Speaker 1: there be a mid term variant show? I would be 803 00:45:56,520 --> 00:45:59,279 Speaker 1: put every dollar I owned on mid term variants. So 804 00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:01,920 Speaker 1: here's the thing, yes, right, there will be. There will 805 00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:05,560 Speaker 1: be a variant that is out there. That is because 806 00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:08,520 Speaker 1: as we know, COVID is very much like the flu, 807 00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:11,200 Speaker 1: is very much like other things that we've we've come 808 00:46:11,239 --> 00:46:14,320 Speaker 1: to know that have a seasonality because of rapid mutation. 809 00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:16,880 Speaker 1: We've already no one even talks about it. We got 810 00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:20,239 Speaker 1: past omicron, we got to omicron like B five or 811 00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:25,360 Speaker 1: something there. Keep up with all the six seven niner 812 00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:27,480 Speaker 1: you know. I have no idea. But the point is 813 00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:29,720 Speaker 1: because no one even no one's even really pay attention 814 00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:31,399 Speaker 1: to anymore, because they realize, Okay, what are we gonna 815 00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:34,080 Speaker 1: do about this? Although I got in the elevator this morning, 816 00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:36,560 Speaker 1: double masked in the elevator with me, somebody at least 817 00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:38,560 Speaker 1: they can't yell at me now now though, and feel 818 00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:40,719 Speaker 1: good about it. Although I do like directing them to 819 00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:43,000 Speaker 1: the Office of City Public Health and that they should 820 00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:45,960 Speaker 1: register a complaintan that they'll hear back in about two years. UM. 821 00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:49,400 Speaker 1: But I Clay, here's the problem though, that I think 822 00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:51,880 Speaker 1: the Democrats have with all this. There will be COVID. 823 00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:54,239 Speaker 1: There's I think there's gonna be COVID going forward. Right, 824 00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:58,239 Speaker 1: this is now an endemic disease within the population. Uh, 825 00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:01,440 Speaker 1: They're gonna have to play it up for their base 826 00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:04,040 Speaker 1: in the Blue states with we're masking up, we take 827 00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:06,160 Speaker 1: it seriously. They're gonna do the same stuff they always do. 828 00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:09,200 Speaker 1: But if they want to try to defend any territory 829 00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:12,440 Speaker 1: at all in the Purple states, you know, how does it? 830 00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:16,120 Speaker 1: It's a base is the base is gonna want full fauciism. 831 00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:20,239 Speaker 1: But in the toss up states, close elections, how do 832 00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:23,040 Speaker 1: the Democrats play this one? Because you know, you don't 833 00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:24,160 Speaker 1: want to be a mass you want to be a 834 00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:27,440 Speaker 1: mask lunatic if you're running in California, New Jersey, New York. 835 00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:29,160 Speaker 1: I don't think you want to look like a mask 836 00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:34,080 Speaker 1: lunatic if you're running in Pennsylvania or in Georgia. Fear 837 00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:40,120 Speaker 1: of Donald Trump motivates left wing voters. I don't know 838 00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:44,040 Speaker 1: that fear of COVID motivates left wing voters buck because 839 00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:45,879 Speaker 1: to your point, now, I don't think they're smart enough 840 00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:49,040 Speaker 1: to recognize this. But to your point, if you're super 841 00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:53,680 Speaker 1: COVID fearful and you live in a blue state, you're 842 00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:57,680 Speaker 1: probably already getting the most aggressive policies that exist. And 843 00:47:57,880 --> 00:48:01,520 Speaker 1: also it can work against motivating you to be willing 844 00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:04,080 Speaker 1: to go out to vote. So we already know that 845 00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:10,000 Speaker 1: this should be a red absolute tide, the red wedding 846 00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:14,480 Speaker 1: of a Game of Thrones reference to hopes of holding 847 00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:18,680 Speaker 1: the House and holding the Senate. But I don't know 848 00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:25,080 Speaker 1: that they are willing or smart enough to recognize that COVID. 849 00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:27,399 Speaker 1: Maybe they should look at what happened in Virginia, where 850 00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:29,759 Speaker 1: I think that was pretty significant. But I don't know 851 00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:32,120 Speaker 1: that they're smart enough to recognize it, and I don't 852 00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:35,160 Speaker 1: know if their base will let them recognize it. But 853 00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:39,319 Speaker 1: because there's about thirty percent of Democrats that I think 854 00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:44,520 Speaker 1: have major mental issues associated with code oh no, they 855 00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:48,920 Speaker 1: the Democrat base has created a special you know how 856 00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:52,400 Speaker 1: they had trumped arrangement syndrome where there were people for 857 00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:55,360 Speaker 1: whom I mean, if you said, you know, I'm pretty 858 00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:59,279 Speaker 1: sure that Donald Trump assassinated Abraham Lincoln. They would say, yes, 859 00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:01,839 Speaker 1: of course, of course he did right. It didn't matter 860 00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:04,360 Speaker 1: anything that you could say that was anti Trump, they 861 00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:07,400 Speaker 1: would they would go along with They were completely insane. 862 00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:10,920 Speaker 1: Trump's arrangement syndrome I think, I think was real, and 863 00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:16,040 Speaker 1: this now I think has been transferred into a Democrats 864 00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:21,960 Speaker 1: specific anxiety disorder from COVID. I think the Fauciism, the 865 00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:26,440 Speaker 1: Faucci fauci idmobilization, has turned into an anxiety disorder that 866 00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:28,880 Speaker 1: some adults. I mean, I don't really mean anxiety disorder. 867 00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:31,080 Speaker 1: They can't control it, they can't help it. There are 868 00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:32,919 Speaker 1: people on my planet told you there's a triple mask 869 00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:35,040 Speaker 1: or on my plane. Do you realize how difficult it 870 00:49:35,160 --> 00:49:37,680 Speaker 1: is to take off your face shield and both masks 871 00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:41,000 Speaker 1: so you can sip your club soda while looking at 872 00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:43,919 Speaker 1: savages like me who were unmasked. It's a lot of work. 873 00:49:45,080 --> 00:49:47,359 Speaker 1: And I don't know how those people ever come back 874 00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:50,640 Speaker 1: to sanity. And I think in many ways the Democrats 875 00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:54,400 Speaker 1: are held hostage by them because they're going to revolt 876 00:49:54,520 --> 00:49:57,640 Speaker 1: in a major way if there is any attempt made 877 00:49:57,719 --> 00:50:00,279 Speaker 1: there to embrace sanity. We got a lot stuff to 878 00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:02,960 Speaker 1: till to talk about Buck. We got Joe Rogan uh 879 00:50:03,160 --> 00:50:05,600 Speaker 1: and the and the war against comics, which I think 880 00:50:05,719 --> 00:50:09,000 Speaker 1: is pretty fascinating. Joe, there's a popcorn shortage, potentially we're 881 00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:12,239 Speaker 1: gonna have to deal with pandemic of the unvaccinated. Gives 882 00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:16,360 Speaker 1: up the ghost, and more importantly, what is going on 883 00:50:16,600 --> 00:50:20,480 Speaker 1: right now with the war on guns that is continuing 884 00:50:20,520 --> 00:50:23,560 Speaker 1: to accelerate. The Democrats aren't hide in at least some 885 00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:25,839 Speaker 1: of them. They want to take your guns. At least 886 00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:29,759 Speaker 1: you're you're a R fifteens um and I think this 887 00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:33,439 Speaker 1: audience is gonna say a resounding no to that. We'll 888 00:50:33,520 --> 00:50:41,480 Speaker 1: explain the lunatic left's next act coming up. Fleet Travis 889 00:50:41,560 --> 00:50:45,240 Speaker 1: and Buck Sexton on the front lines of truth