1 00:00:00,360 --> 00:00:18,840 Speaker 1: Quest Left Show is a production of iHeart Radio, Ladies 2 00:00:18,880 --> 00:00:19,400 Speaker 1: and gentlemen. 3 00:00:19,480 --> 00:00:23,640 Speaker 2: Welcome to a q OLS short, not exactly in all 4 00:00:23,720 --> 00:00:28,040 Speaker 2: the way Full Epp of Quest Left Supreme. We know 5 00:00:28,160 --> 00:00:31,640 Speaker 2: my penchant for talking, so I'll say it's just short 6 00:00:31,720 --> 00:00:33,520 Speaker 2: and then next thing you know, it's four hours later 7 00:00:34,080 --> 00:00:37,040 Speaker 2: and uh we're still talking. First of all, thank you 8 00:00:37,080 --> 00:00:39,519 Speaker 2: for all the feedback that we've gotten on the shows 9 00:00:39,520 --> 00:00:44,199 Speaker 2: in the past year. And there's a particular episode ThunderCats. 10 00:00:45,120 --> 00:00:45,279 Speaker 1: Yo. 11 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:49,839 Speaker 2: Man, I'm still falling down the anime rabbit hole. By 12 00:00:49,880 --> 00:00:51,960 Speaker 2: the way, I'm here joined by the one that only 13 00:00:52,040 --> 00:00:54,480 Speaker 2: opened my ego, So say a load to the people 14 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:54,880 Speaker 2: of Mike. 15 00:00:54,920 --> 00:00:55,280 Speaker 3: Hey. 16 00:00:55,960 --> 00:01:00,760 Speaker 2: All right, So basically we were speaking of ThunderCats, Shane 17 00:01:00,960 --> 00:01:04,840 Speaker 2: his MF Doom Cheam, and you know he praised Hans 18 00:01:04,880 --> 00:01:09,920 Speaker 2: Solo for designing his jewelry, and yes he misspoke about 19 00:01:09,959 --> 00:01:15,360 Speaker 2: the creator of the MF Doom mask and uh, Dante 20 00:01:15,520 --> 00:01:19,560 Speaker 2: Ross and classic Dante Ross. 21 00:01:20,319 --> 00:01:21,080 Speaker 1: Oh my god. 22 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:23,000 Speaker 2: I felt like I was bringing a home of bad 23 00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:24,880 Speaker 2: report cards and I was like, wait, what did I do? 24 00:01:24,959 --> 00:01:25,479 Speaker 4: What did I do? 25 00:01:25,840 --> 00:01:28,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, but you know, Dante Ross and others to pointed out, 26 00:01:29,120 --> 00:01:33,240 Speaker 2: and you know, I'm big on correcting history and speaking 27 00:01:33,319 --> 00:01:38,280 Speaker 2: of history, So of course I immediately wanted to perhaps 28 00:01:38,880 --> 00:01:41,679 Speaker 2: do a correction episode. And of course there was no 29 00:01:42,360 --> 00:01:45,560 Speaker 2: mause or harmon foul in our misinformation. 30 00:01:46,080 --> 00:01:48,040 Speaker 1: And you know, we're living in a time where a. 31 00:01:47,960 --> 00:01:50,880 Speaker 2: Lot of misinformation gets passed on and no one ever 32 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:53,440 Speaker 2: corrects it. So yes, even us at the Quest Left 33 00:01:53,440 --> 00:01:55,960 Speaker 2: Show are big enough to say, hey, are bad. 34 00:01:56,320 --> 00:01:58,280 Speaker 1: We want to make it right. So as a result, 35 00:01:58,560 --> 00:01:59,520 Speaker 1: we want to bring. 36 00:01:59,360 --> 00:02:03,760 Speaker 2: The actual creator of the do Mask and hopefully in 37 00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:09,119 Speaker 2: this little mini episode, really really get proper context on 38 00:02:09,440 --> 00:02:13,160 Speaker 2: an item that we've talked about and heard about for years. 39 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:16,520 Speaker 2: First of all, Kiels, good sir, welcome to this short 40 00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:17,360 Speaker 2: How are you today? 41 00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:20,160 Speaker 4: Thank you man, It's an honor to be here. I'm man, 42 00:02:20,200 --> 00:02:24,480 Speaker 4: I'm blessed to be alive. I'm grateful. You know what 43 00:02:24,480 --> 00:02:24,799 Speaker 4: I mean. 44 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:26,600 Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you, Thank. 45 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:27,560 Speaker 4: You guys as well as well. 46 00:02:27,680 --> 00:02:31,720 Speaker 1: Absolutely we are. So where should we start, Mike. 47 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:34,200 Speaker 3: I mean so I think we should start where you 48 00:02:34,320 --> 00:02:38,320 Speaker 3: just sort of set the table. Thundercap misattributed the creation 49 00:02:38,720 --> 00:02:45,079 Speaker 3: of the mask, and it's such an iconic design, recognizable everywhere, 50 00:02:45,320 --> 00:02:49,799 Speaker 3: and as much as you know you remember, I would 51 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:52,280 Speaker 3: love to just hear about how that all came together 52 00:02:52,639 --> 00:02:53,240 Speaker 3: to begin with. 53 00:02:54,480 --> 00:02:57,919 Speaker 4: So first of all, let me just start by saying, yeah, 54 00:02:57,960 --> 00:03:01,320 Speaker 4: I worked on the Mask, both the early version and 55 00:03:01,360 --> 00:03:05,639 Speaker 4: the later Gladiator version that most people know. But bigger 56 00:03:05,639 --> 00:03:08,399 Speaker 4: than that doing was my brother Man. I loved that Cat. 57 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:13,520 Speaker 4: I did his first album cover as MF Doom, which 58 00:03:13,560 --> 00:03:17,239 Speaker 4: is called Operation Doomsday. I designed his logo I did. 59 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:20,800 Speaker 4: The next one we did was recreate kmd's Black Bastard. 60 00:03:20,880 --> 00:03:26,120 Speaker 4: We did the all the special herbs, basically anything on 61 00:03:26,960 --> 00:03:30,480 Speaker 4: Metal Face Records. And I'm talking about MF Grim's down 62 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:33,760 Speaker 4: Fall of v bleas the Monster Island Czars rot Dan's 63 00:03:33,800 --> 00:03:37,160 Speaker 4: first album. All of that I was blessed to be 64 00:03:37,240 --> 00:03:41,600 Speaker 4: a part of. And Doom stayed in my house. I 65 00:03:41,680 --> 00:03:44,680 Speaker 4: later stayed at his crib in Atlanta, and when he 66 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:49,520 Speaker 4: was overseas, he knew my daughter, I know his kids. 67 00:03:49,720 --> 00:03:53,720 Speaker 4: You know what I mean. That's family. So I don't 68 00:03:53,720 --> 00:03:57,280 Speaker 4: want to argue with anyone about who did what or 69 00:03:57,360 --> 00:04:01,040 Speaker 4: you know what I mean. There's no real status in that. Yeah, 70 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:03,720 Speaker 4: because I'm doing new things. I'm currently and I still 71 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:08,280 Speaker 4: work with Jasmine, Doom's widow and the estate, and you know, 72 00:04:08,440 --> 00:04:11,440 Speaker 4: like we just did this and then the next one. Yes, 73 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:13,600 Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. So these were things that 74 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:17,320 Speaker 4: Doom and I planned while he was still here in 75 00:04:17,360 --> 00:04:21,599 Speaker 4: the physical. We talked about certain color ways and he okay, okay, 76 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:24,200 Speaker 4: we're gonna do the blue and orange, and we're gonna 77 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:26,479 Speaker 4: do the black and silver, and we're gonna keep it 78 00:04:26,560 --> 00:04:27,920 Speaker 4: like you know what I mean. And then we had 79 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:32,760 Speaker 4: alternative so we discussed rollout for albums and merch and 80 00:04:32,920 --> 00:04:37,960 Speaker 4: things that are still in the works. So it's bigger 81 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:40,760 Speaker 4: than just the mask. But yes, I had a hand 82 00:04:40,960 --> 00:04:45,560 Speaker 4: in conceiving of his first mask because he knew that 83 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:50,080 Speaker 4: he wanted to like a graffiti writer, and he came 84 00:04:50,080 --> 00:04:54,600 Speaker 4: from a graffiti background and mentality. He wanted to keep 85 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:59,040 Speaker 4: a level of anonymity, so you recognize the artwork, you're 86 00:04:59,080 --> 00:05:02,200 Speaker 4: a fan, but you I don't know the personality behind it. 87 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:08,760 Speaker 4: At the time, when Barbito was putting together the album 88 00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:12,320 Speaker 4: and Bob had never done artwork before. He always had 89 00:05:12,360 --> 00:05:16,200 Speaker 4: white label, Fondulum was just singles in a white sleep. 90 00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:21,159 Speaker 4: This was a new thing, a special thing. Around that time, 91 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:24,919 Speaker 4: the WU had come out and ghost Face was seen 92 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:29,560 Speaker 4: wearing a white stocking mask. A Cantyhope, you know, like 93 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:32,720 Speaker 4: you would rob a banquet, and Doom was like, Yo, 94 00:05:32,880 --> 00:05:34,480 Speaker 4: that's fly. I need something like. 95 00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:37,480 Speaker 3: That because in Doom's early appearances at like New yurekn 96 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:40,200 Speaker 3: he covered his face similarly with a stocking correct. 97 00:05:41,160 --> 00:05:44,599 Speaker 4: Yeah, sometimes he wore a bandana, like you know Jesse 98 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:47,559 Speaker 4: James robbing a train. Sometimes he wore a stocking mask. 99 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:53,640 Speaker 4: But we were actively working to develop something unique to 100 00:05:53,760 --> 00:05:57,720 Speaker 4: Doom and his persona that would allow him because he 101 00:05:57,920 --> 00:05:59,680 Speaker 4: liked to go to the bar and sit there and 102 00:05:59,839 --> 00:06:03,000 Speaker 4: and be a regular dude. And then when he jumped 103 00:06:03,040 --> 00:06:05,839 Speaker 4: on stage, all of a sudden, people are cheering and 104 00:06:05,880 --> 00:06:08,800 Speaker 4: they know the lyrics. But he's sitting next to you 105 00:06:08,839 --> 00:06:14,040 Speaker 4: the whole night and nobody bothers. Now. I don't know 106 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:17,000 Speaker 4: if that's because he achieved some level of fame and 107 00:06:17,040 --> 00:06:20,320 Speaker 4: notoriety as a little kid with KMD, and he had 108 00:06:20,360 --> 00:06:24,400 Speaker 4: a taste of what that's like, but you know, fame 109 00:06:24,520 --> 00:06:27,960 Speaker 4: without fortune. I grew up seeing a lot of my 110 00:06:28,040 --> 00:06:31,599 Speaker 4: hip hop heroes riding on a subway train with me. Right, 111 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:35,840 Speaker 4: somebody assumes you're a star. They may be jealous, they 112 00:06:35,880 --> 00:06:37,960 Speaker 4: might want to try you. They think you have money 113 00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:41,839 Speaker 4: or jewelry that you don't even have, and now you 114 00:06:41,960 --> 00:06:45,520 Speaker 4: have to fight every day or people, you know, even 115 00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:48,080 Speaker 4: as a graffiti writer. And I'm not a famous dude. 116 00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:51,080 Speaker 4: I'm relatively like under the radar. I don't have a 117 00:06:51,080 --> 00:06:54,080 Speaker 4: Wikipedia page or anything. I walk down the street and 118 00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:57,320 Speaker 4: people call me out by my name that I don't know. 119 00:06:57,920 --> 00:07:01,560 Speaker 4: They're like, yo, I follow you on instan Gram and 120 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:05,479 Speaker 4: I'm like, okay, well, what's your name? State your name? 121 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:07,200 Speaker 4: You know what I mean, Like, let's start with that. 122 00:07:07,320 --> 00:07:13,000 Speaker 4: Introduce yourself. It's awkward. So I understand Doom's desire to 123 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:17,880 Speaker 4: just be able to create, produce music without being a 124 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:23,400 Speaker 4: public figure the target. Yeah, and he's still to this 125 00:07:23,520 --> 00:07:28,240 Speaker 4: day people want to deify him and speculate on you know, try. 126 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:32,200 Speaker 4: I get questions all the time, and I'm just like, yo, man, 127 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:34,800 Speaker 4: he was a regular dude. That's my man. Like, you know, 128 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:38,640 Speaker 4: he was about feeding his family and all the things 129 00:07:38,680 --> 00:07:44,720 Speaker 4: that you know, when we deify somebody, we almost separate ourselves. 130 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:48,960 Speaker 4: You know what Doom did, You can do? You know 131 00:07:49,080 --> 00:07:52,240 Speaker 4: what quest love does you And I'm talking to the 132 00:07:52,320 --> 00:07:57,240 Speaker 4: kids watching out there, mhmm. You can create your own 133 00:07:57,480 --> 00:08:01,920 Speaker 4: universe and artwork and do all these amazing things and 134 00:08:02,040 --> 00:08:03,200 Speaker 4: still be a regular guy. 135 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:03,560 Speaker 1: Man. 136 00:08:03,960 --> 00:08:07,160 Speaker 4: You know, I grew up in hip hop, and a 137 00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:09,280 Speaker 4: lot of the cats that I knew and worked with, 138 00:08:09,560 --> 00:08:14,640 Speaker 4: whether through graffiti, m seeing, dancing, they went on to 139 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:15,600 Speaker 4: start them. 140 00:08:16,320 --> 00:08:16,560 Speaker 1: Right. 141 00:08:17,800 --> 00:08:20,080 Speaker 4: So I went to high School of Music and Art 142 00:08:20,120 --> 00:08:23,000 Speaker 4: request I believe he went to a similar school. 143 00:08:23,160 --> 00:08:25,080 Speaker 1: In Philly, Yes, Philly, right. 144 00:08:25,880 --> 00:08:28,240 Speaker 4: So it's a public school, it's poor kids, it's kids 145 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:31,080 Speaker 4: from middle class backgrounds, kids from the project, but everyone 146 00:08:31,200 --> 00:08:33,600 Speaker 4: had a talent and a creativity. 147 00:08:34,160 --> 00:08:36,360 Speaker 1: Was this in New York City, Harlem? 148 00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:38,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, one hundred and thirty seventh at Convent Avenue. 149 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:39,800 Speaker 1: Oh so it wasn't. 150 00:08:40,360 --> 00:08:44,079 Speaker 2: I wasn't then impression that Laguardio was the only performing 151 00:08:44,200 --> 00:08:45,000 Speaker 2: arts school in New York. 152 00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:46,360 Speaker 1: There was one in Harlem as well. 153 00:08:46,920 --> 00:08:50,240 Speaker 4: It was originally two sister schools, one called Performing Arts, 154 00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:53,360 Speaker 4: about which the movie and television show Fame was made 155 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:57,640 Speaker 4: with more about stage and dancing, all those kind of things. 156 00:08:57,840 --> 00:09:00,000 Speaker 4: And then the sister school, which was up on City 157 00:09:00,160 --> 00:09:04,120 Speaker 4: College campus, was called Music and Art, and we had 158 00:09:04,120 --> 00:09:07,120 Speaker 4: a fine arts program, and we had an instrumental and 159 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:11,040 Speaker 4: vocal music program. So ard Wright went there. The drummer 160 00:09:11,080 --> 00:09:14,400 Speaker 4: Mackie from the Crow Mags was their scheme. You know, 161 00:09:14,480 --> 00:09:19,240 Speaker 4: the Kango Crew. My brothers, Dana, Dane, like Rick, they 162 00:09:19,240 --> 00:09:21,160 Speaker 4: were in class with me. We used to battle every 163 00:09:21,200 --> 00:09:25,240 Speaker 4: day in the lunch they went there. Damn the fresh 164 00:09:25,280 --> 00:09:29,760 Speaker 4: three mcs f r s. They were just ones to 165 00:09:29,800 --> 00:09:34,400 Speaker 4: have records out of that school. Okay, you know a 166 00:09:34,520 --> 00:09:39,640 Speaker 4: jazz musician's famous old manner of creatives were there. 167 00:09:39,640 --> 00:09:40,520 Speaker 1: I never knew that. 168 00:09:41,400 --> 00:09:45,920 Speaker 4: Bernard Wright went to my high school. What rest in peace. Yeah, 169 00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:49,080 Speaker 4: he was a little older than me. He was vacating 170 00:09:49,120 --> 00:09:51,240 Speaker 4: when I was coming in as a freshman because I 171 00:09:51,240 --> 00:09:55,640 Speaker 4: got there in nineteen eighty eighty to eighty one, Planning 172 00:09:55,720 --> 00:10:01,400 Speaker 4: got murdered. Okay, So mc searched talks about seeing me 173 00:10:02,280 --> 00:10:05,360 Speaker 4: battling the Kango Crew at the lunch table and it 174 00:10:05,480 --> 00:10:08,520 Speaker 4: inspiring him to believe that he could do this thing. 175 00:10:08,880 --> 00:10:11,320 Speaker 4: Before he was empcy search. He didn't have a name. 176 00:10:11,520 --> 00:10:16,200 Speaker 4: He was just Michael Baron and okay, he always bigs 177 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:18,720 Speaker 4: me up for inspiring him. So I want people to 178 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:24,120 Speaker 4: understand that whatever Doom did, he's a regular cat and 179 00:10:24,200 --> 00:10:29,400 Speaker 4: you can do that too. Don't don't disqualify yourself because 180 00:10:29,440 --> 00:10:34,400 Speaker 4: in the era I came from we were all just creating. 181 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:39,760 Speaker 4: We didn't have social media, we didn't have institutions behind us, 182 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:43,840 Speaker 4: money back in corporate nothing. We just made art for 183 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:44,480 Speaker 4: art's sake. 184 00:10:45,520 --> 00:10:49,120 Speaker 2: How many versions of that mask were like as far 185 00:10:49,160 --> 00:10:52,440 Speaker 2: as the evolution of it were there four different stages 186 00:10:52,520 --> 00:10:54,600 Speaker 2: of that mask or so. 187 00:10:54,720 --> 00:10:57,959 Speaker 4: The first mask which you see in the first three 188 00:10:58,679 --> 00:11:01,880 Speaker 4: music videos which were shot might buy a cat name 189 00:11:02,320 --> 00:11:05,720 Speaker 4: Adam Baala Lowe okay, and he went on to be 190 00:11:05,760 --> 00:11:08,199 Speaker 4: a big documentary filmmaker. You can check him out. I 191 00:11:08,280 --> 00:11:13,160 Speaker 4: know you're a documentary okay yourself. So he was at 192 00:11:13,320 --> 00:11:16,400 Speaker 4: NYU film student at the time. I don't know where 193 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:19,320 Speaker 4: Doom met him, but you know, Doom had a way 194 00:11:19,320 --> 00:11:23,600 Speaker 4: of attracting talent and getting cats on board. So they 195 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:28,280 Speaker 4: did these first three music videos for free question Mark 196 00:11:28,559 --> 00:11:32,079 Speaker 4: with featuring Curious, which we shot in in Sunset Park 197 00:11:32,120 --> 00:11:36,480 Speaker 4: in Brooklyn. That mask was cheap plastic, like one of 198 00:11:36,520 --> 00:11:38,560 Speaker 4: these halloween things you had when you were a kid, 199 00:11:38,559 --> 00:11:42,160 Speaker 4: with a rubber band in the back. And I spray 200 00:11:42,200 --> 00:11:47,439 Speaker 4: painted it with rustolium aluminum spray paint, and I drew 201 00:11:47,880 --> 00:11:50,280 Speaker 4: the details with a marker and I cut it with 202 00:11:50,360 --> 00:11:54,200 Speaker 4: a razor blade to the right shape. That one did 203 00:11:54,240 --> 00:11:59,920 Speaker 4: not last. In fact, at that video shoot in Sunset 204 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:03,600 Speaker 4: Part after they cut, he set it on the bench 205 00:12:03,720 --> 00:12:07,520 Speaker 4: next to him. Everyone was drinking Jack Daniels, right, someone, 206 00:12:07,640 --> 00:12:11,280 Speaker 4: I'm not gonna mention the name sat on the mask 207 00:12:12,800 --> 00:12:17,480 Speaker 4: and the things it split across the nose and eyebrow. 208 00:12:18,600 --> 00:12:21,400 Speaker 4: So Doom brought it back to me to my studio 209 00:12:21,440 --> 00:12:25,680 Speaker 4: which is in Sunset Park, Brooklyn, and he wanted me 210 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:28,760 Speaker 4: to try and repair it, and we began discussing. He 211 00:12:28,920 --> 00:12:31,040 Speaker 4: was like, yo, I need something solid man. 212 00:12:31,920 --> 00:12:35,200 Speaker 3: Sorry to interrupt that there is a new design. You know, 213 00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:37,960 Speaker 3: the perception of it was that that one was more 214 00:12:38,160 --> 00:12:43,040 Speaker 3: directly informed by Doctor Doom. The Doctor Doom mass from Marvel. 215 00:12:43,120 --> 00:12:44,320 Speaker 3: Is that is that correct? 216 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:48,480 Speaker 4: Yeah, that was my inspiration. I drew little rivets on 217 00:12:48,559 --> 00:12:52,800 Speaker 4: it and certain shading. You know. Jack Kirby had a 218 00:12:52,840 --> 00:12:58,040 Speaker 4: way of very simply illustrating metal and mechanical thing that 219 00:12:58,360 --> 00:13:00,920 Speaker 4: you know, people still try to get to this day. 220 00:13:01,280 --> 00:13:03,840 Speaker 4: And it resonated with graffiti riders because it was thick 221 00:13:03,960 --> 00:13:06,840 Speaker 4: black outlines and it was something you could do with 222 00:13:06,920 --> 00:13:10,080 Speaker 4: spray paint, you understand. So yeah, there was a lot 223 00:13:10,080 --> 00:13:13,360 Speaker 4: of that in there on Marvel, Disney please do not 224 00:13:13,520 --> 00:13:19,720 Speaker 4: come from me. We created own. This was a unique construction. Okay, 225 00:13:20,440 --> 00:13:25,560 Speaker 4: it's Mikey Mouse, it ain't Mickey got you. So after 226 00:13:25,600 --> 00:13:28,600 Speaker 4: that one split, we got the idea that you know, 227 00:13:28,640 --> 00:13:31,360 Speaker 4: we were running around Lower Manhattan. Barbito used to live 228 00:13:31,400 --> 00:13:34,079 Speaker 4: on fourteenth Street and the shop was on ninth Street, 229 00:13:34,200 --> 00:13:38,280 Speaker 4: and we shot my favorite Ladies video on Second Avenue. 230 00:13:38,320 --> 00:13:40,559 Speaker 4: It was all the East Village we were running around. 231 00:13:40,640 --> 00:13:43,440 Speaker 4: You know, they were the first show's doom ever did. 232 00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:47,880 Speaker 4: Were at Brownies and the Pyramid, these little l e 233 00:13:48,080 --> 00:13:52,200 Speaker 4: s alphabet city punk rock clubs. Right. They had a 234 00:13:52,200 --> 00:13:55,920 Speaker 4: lot of antique stores over there, and curio shops and 235 00:13:56,000 --> 00:13:59,560 Speaker 4: shops that sold you know. There was an entire place 236 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:04,120 Speaker 4: on Houseton where it comes to a triangle near first 237 00:14:04,559 --> 00:14:07,920 Speaker 4: that was an outdoor you know, it was covered like 238 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:11,600 Speaker 4: a tent and they had everything, signs from the subway 239 00:14:11,679 --> 00:14:15,280 Speaker 4: and basically whatever you could want. So I said, maybe 240 00:14:15,280 --> 00:14:18,280 Speaker 4: we can find a suit of armor. Somebody's got an 241 00:14:18,400 --> 00:14:22,040 Speaker 4: actual medieval suit of armor and we could use that 242 00:14:22,040 --> 00:14:25,360 Speaker 4: that as the basis. While we were running around, we 243 00:14:25,400 --> 00:14:30,200 Speaker 4: didn't find anything suitable. We passed a place called Forbidden Planet, 244 00:14:30,400 --> 00:14:35,800 Speaker 4: which is a huge comic book store on Broadway, like 245 00:14:35,920 --> 00:14:39,360 Speaker 4: twelve or thirteenth when you're going uptown towards Union Square. 246 00:14:39,400 --> 00:14:41,720 Speaker 4: They got the whole block with a wrap around window. 247 00:14:43,080 --> 00:14:45,720 Speaker 4: Me and Doom were both comic book heads, you know 248 00:14:45,720 --> 00:14:49,960 Speaker 4: what I mean, since kids, and a movie had just 249 00:14:50,080 --> 00:14:54,680 Speaker 4: come out with Russell Crowe called Gladiator, and we had 250 00:14:54,760 --> 00:14:56,840 Speaker 4: never seen the film. We didn't know anything about it. 251 00:14:56,880 --> 00:14:59,160 Speaker 4: We didn't know who Russell Crowe was, but we saw 252 00:14:59,200 --> 00:15:03,280 Speaker 4: the mask. It was like a souvenir of a gladiator 253 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:05,760 Speaker 4: helmet which had a big fin on the top and 254 00:15:05,920 --> 00:15:08,600 Speaker 4: spikes sticking out that metal. You know. It was a 255 00:15:08,640 --> 00:15:13,040 Speaker 4: full full helmet, and it was wouldn't stand in the window, 256 00:15:13,200 --> 00:15:18,080 Speaker 4: and I was like, yo, that. So we bagged that 257 00:15:18,280 --> 00:15:21,560 Speaker 4: up and I took the face plate off, which was 258 00:15:21,680 --> 00:15:24,880 Speaker 4: hinged right here so it could swing like a motorcycle helmet, 259 00:15:24,920 --> 00:15:29,440 Speaker 4: you know what I mean, and discarded the rest and 260 00:15:29,520 --> 00:15:32,960 Speaker 4: we just worked with that metal face plate. And I 261 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:35,280 Speaker 4: took it to a cat I knew who did sculpture 262 00:15:35,320 --> 00:15:38,840 Speaker 4: and had some welding tools, and we made certain modifications 263 00:15:38,880 --> 00:15:42,720 Speaker 4: so that he could wear it comfortably. And it had 264 00:15:43,320 --> 00:15:46,640 Speaker 4: the inside of a construction worker's helmet. There's like a 265 00:15:46,680 --> 00:15:49,160 Speaker 4: fitted plastic you know, like in the back of a 266 00:15:49,160 --> 00:15:56,040 Speaker 4: fitted cap adjustable, there's this webbing that your construction helmet 267 00:15:56,080 --> 00:15:59,040 Speaker 4: sits on it, so it doesn't actually sit on your head. 268 00:15:59,040 --> 00:16:02,120 Speaker 4: It floats, right. So we just took that webing and 269 00:16:02,200 --> 00:16:06,080 Speaker 4: we put two school holes and we have fixed the 270 00:16:06,120 --> 00:16:10,720 Speaker 4: first version of the metal mask to that, and Doom 271 00:16:10,880 --> 00:16:14,720 Speaker 4: rocked with that for a long time. And it also 272 00:16:14,840 --> 00:16:16,920 Speaker 4: served as a weapon. You could hold it, you know 273 00:16:17,080 --> 00:16:22,200 Speaker 4: when we start going to bigger venues sobs and bb 274 00:16:22,400 --> 00:16:25,560 Speaker 4: Kings which is no longer raven They used to metal 275 00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:28,600 Speaker 4: detect you. They used to search you to get in. 276 00:16:29,440 --> 00:16:31,720 Speaker 1: I was going to ask about airports, but good. 277 00:16:32,080 --> 00:16:35,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly. So he had a case made for the 278 00:16:35,120 --> 00:16:37,560 Speaker 4: mask and he could listen, I'm performing this is part 279 00:16:37,560 --> 00:16:40,000 Speaker 4: of my boom boom boom. They would let him in. 280 00:16:40,200 --> 00:16:41,960 Speaker 4: But if you held that thing by the back of 281 00:16:41,960 --> 00:16:45,120 Speaker 4: the straps and you caught somebody with it, it not 282 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:48,400 Speaker 4: only weighed about seven pounds, it was stainless steel and 283 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:53,920 Speaker 4: those two tusks were sharp, right, So I've seen dudes 284 00:16:53,960 --> 00:16:56,880 Speaker 4: try to jump on stage and Doom catch him with 285 00:16:56,920 --> 00:17:01,640 Speaker 4: that and boom. It's a rap. So it served many purposes, 286 00:17:03,120 --> 00:17:06,159 Speaker 4: And there were days when and I don't want to 287 00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:09,480 Speaker 4: snitch doom. It is no longer here, so he's immune 288 00:17:09,560 --> 00:17:13,080 Speaker 4: to prosecution. You know. He was a creative dude, but 289 00:17:13,119 --> 00:17:17,280 Speaker 4: he wasn't soft by any means. Okay, that's a lot 290 00:17:17,320 --> 00:17:20,600 Speaker 4: of people think nerd rap or something. No, a nerd 291 00:17:20,680 --> 00:17:23,560 Speaker 4: is a sucker. You can be well read, you can 292 00:17:23,600 --> 00:17:27,919 Speaker 4: be into many many aspects of culture and history and 293 00:17:27,960 --> 00:17:33,720 Speaker 4: religion and sciences and mathematics and still not be soft. Okay. 294 00:17:34,119 --> 00:17:36,520 Speaker 4: So there were times when we had to sneak weapons 295 00:17:36,560 --> 00:17:39,440 Speaker 4: into the club, and he made a case with a phone. 296 00:17:39,680 --> 00:17:41,880 Speaker 4: You know, if you purchased the gun, what it would 297 00:17:41,880 --> 00:17:45,280 Speaker 4: come in a hard case as a microphone is carried 298 00:17:45,280 --> 00:17:47,680 Speaker 4: that way or an instrument. It has a foam cut 299 00:17:47,680 --> 00:17:50,879 Speaker 4: out for the mask. So the weapons went under the 300 00:17:50,960 --> 00:17:53,960 Speaker 4: mask so we could get through the metal detector and say, 301 00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:58,280 Speaker 4: hey man, it's just it's my costume. Understanding there'd be 302 00:17:58,280 --> 00:18:03,160 Speaker 4: a little twenty five automatic inside of BB King's Okay. 303 00:18:04,880 --> 00:18:07,760 Speaker 4: So yeah, the mass served many purposes. What happened it 304 00:18:07,800 --> 00:18:09,880 Speaker 4: became totally corroded and rusted. 305 00:18:10,320 --> 00:18:12,680 Speaker 3: The second version did it became the metal? 306 00:18:13,440 --> 00:18:17,720 Speaker 4: Yeah, So first he got it re chrome and he 307 00:18:17,800 --> 00:18:20,879 Speaker 4: purchased a couple more so he had backup versions. He 308 00:18:20,960 --> 00:18:24,800 Speaker 4: put a ruby right here at the third eye. He 309 00:18:24,840 --> 00:18:29,040 Speaker 4: also added on the interior a whole lot of different 310 00:18:29,119 --> 00:18:33,520 Speaker 4: minerals and uh, crystals and things which which held certain 311 00:18:33,600 --> 00:18:38,760 Speaker 4: power to him. Okay, okay, and herbs and he was 312 00:18:38,880 --> 00:18:45,120 Speaker 4: very into you know, esoteric sciences and natural you know. Yeah, 313 00:18:45,320 --> 00:18:48,120 Speaker 4: so he told me the mask was uncomfortable the rock 314 00:18:48,200 --> 00:18:50,520 Speaker 4: for hours. So he puts some copper in there, and 315 00:18:50,600 --> 00:18:54,879 Speaker 4: copper has a a healing property. I don't know a 316 00:18:54,920 --> 00:18:58,439 Speaker 4: lot about these things. Wow, So yeah, he made he 317 00:18:58,480 --> 00:19:03,160 Speaker 4: made a lot of modifications, as a gold plated one. Okay, 318 00:19:03,359 --> 00:19:06,600 Speaker 4: there was the silver version which he got re chromed 319 00:19:07,080 --> 00:19:11,919 Speaker 4: and added a ruby. So there've probably been at least 320 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:20,080 Speaker 4: four versions of the metal mask, which was based on Gladiator. 321 00:19:20,760 --> 00:19:24,439 Speaker 4: It was okay mask, but the original mask I still 322 00:19:24,520 --> 00:19:31,080 Speaker 4: have the We attempted to repair it, but it's it's broken. 323 00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:34,840 Speaker 4: But that's that's the first dum Masking to me, was 324 00:19:34,880 --> 00:19:40,560 Speaker 4: a superior visual. Maybe it wasn't as thirty, but it 325 00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:55,000 Speaker 4: is amazing, you know what I mean. So the funny 326 00:19:55,040 --> 00:20:00,439 Speaker 4: thing now, they just made a reboot of Gladiator, the 327 00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:04,959 Speaker 4: movie they made A part two and all the younger 328 00:20:05,040 --> 00:20:09,320 Speaker 4: kids who don't remember were like, yo, he's wearing a. 329 00:20:09,400 --> 00:20:11,480 Speaker 1: Doom right now. 330 00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:15,159 Speaker 4: Stole that mask from MF Doom. And I'm thinking, like 331 00:20:15,280 --> 00:20:17,600 Speaker 4: jay Z said he could make a Yankee hat more 332 00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:21,600 Speaker 4: famous than a Yankee cab, right, Yeah, we made that 333 00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:27,200 Speaker 4: mask more popular than a big fucking budget Hollywood studio 334 00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:31,119 Speaker 4: film with stars, and nobody remembers that bullshit. 335 00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:36,240 Speaker 2: Well alog culture, man, it's the absolute like genius marketing device. 336 00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:39,520 Speaker 2: It's so weird because when I first started going to 337 00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:43,360 Speaker 2: Fat Beats and they were trying to give me, They're like, no, man, 338 00:20:43,480 --> 00:20:46,040 Speaker 2: zebha VX has a new character out and this was 339 00:20:46,600 --> 00:20:48,880 Speaker 2: and I was like, why would he? Like I came 340 00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:52,399 Speaker 2: from the school of like, you know, a big giant 341 00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:58,040 Speaker 2: kmdfen and was wondering, like, why is this shrouded in mystery? 342 00:20:58,119 --> 00:21:01,320 Speaker 1: Like show us your face and whatnot? I do have 343 00:21:01,359 --> 00:21:01,840 Speaker 1: to ask. 344 00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:07,359 Speaker 2: So I believe I was witnessed once to a Doom 345 00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:11,680 Speaker 2: show that wasn't a Doom show. Air quotes the specs 346 00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:16,360 Speaker 2: on that look so unique and specific as a one 347 00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:21,080 Speaker 2: off art piece, Howard Katz getting and I'm talking about 348 00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:25,640 Speaker 2: the occasional Doom impostures that were out there. 349 00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:29,800 Speaker 4: So what I know is that Doom had legal issues 350 00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:32,040 Speaker 4: that didn't allow him to travel. 351 00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:33,119 Speaker 1: The travel I get it. 352 00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:39,159 Speaker 4: Okay, he had his man who was this basically his 353 00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:41,560 Speaker 4: same physical stature, right. 354 00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:46,560 Speaker 5: Gotcha, and taught him how to Millie Vanilli this shit 355 00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:50,440 Speaker 5: so that he could appear with the mask on and 356 00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:51,600 Speaker 5: get that money. 357 00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:56,320 Speaker 2: Because that's almost that's almost as legendary as within him 358 00:21:56,440 --> 00:21:58,040 Speaker 2: just being M F. 359 00:21:58,119 --> 00:21:58,399 Speaker 4: Doom. 360 00:21:58,600 --> 00:22:01,640 Speaker 1: But also, you know, right, but. 361 00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:04,240 Speaker 4: We've all gone to shows where half the Wu Tang 362 00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:09,119 Speaker 4: didn't show up, or you know, Lauren Hill was seven 363 00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:14,080 Speaker 4: hours late. So he just found a way to circumvent that. 364 00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:17,040 Speaker 4: If the powers that be didn't want to let him 365 00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:20,560 Speaker 4: into the country, he'd send this man and still get 366 00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:24,800 Speaker 4: that paycheck and two shows on the same night, and 367 00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:27,040 Speaker 4: the fans are happy. 368 00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:33,240 Speaker 2: I was at a couple of and we was not happy. 369 00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:37,800 Speaker 3: But I do so I certainly understand, though, I certainly. 370 00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:40,560 Speaker 4: When I was a kid. When I was a kid, 371 00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:43,280 Speaker 4: I used to go to the Latin Quarters and cats 372 00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:46,239 Speaker 4: had singles out and you never knew what they look like, 373 00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:53,160 Speaker 4: right video, right, So other dudes would show up it's 374 00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:58,399 Speaker 4: your money and promote themselves as being you and I've 375 00:22:58,440 --> 00:22:59,000 Speaker 4: seen it. 376 00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:02,679 Speaker 2: Yeah, I just did a day Last solo episode in 377 00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:08,080 Speaker 2: which Macio shares a story about dealing with the fake, 378 00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:13,840 Speaker 2: the fake and the fake BDP. 379 00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:16,440 Speaker 1: So no, I know that can happen. 380 00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:19,359 Speaker 4: My man at the time, and we're talking eighty six. 381 00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:22,960 Speaker 4: My running partner, he was from Brooklyn, but he was cool. 382 00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:27,680 Speaker 4: Keith's cousin right. His name was Roman Geo, so he 383 00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:30,879 Speaker 4: had a lot of game and he got us into 384 00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:34,840 Speaker 4: Club Free, didn't I wasn't even aware he had told 385 00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:40,199 Speaker 4: Mike Goldberg, who owned the Latin Quarters, that I was 386 00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:44,000 Speaker 4: Mike D from the Beastie Boys, so that we could 387 00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:46,920 Speaker 4: get in free. I didn't even know he had done this. 388 00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:50,000 Speaker 4: Now in eighty six, the Beastis have the biggest record 389 00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:52,880 Speaker 4: on the planet, you understand. You know this is why 390 00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:57,640 Speaker 4: I'm so protective today of my IP because I come 391 00:23:57,680 --> 00:24:03,800 Speaker 4: from a time when we didn't have any podcasts, videos, books, There. 392 00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:06,840 Speaker 3: Were no no way to tell y'all story. Really, there were. 393 00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:11,840 Speaker 4: No institutions teaching hip hop. We had to police ourselves. 394 00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:15,280 Speaker 4: I'm very grateful for all all the people that jumped 395 00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:18,520 Speaker 4: into comments and it's like, nah, that was Keio because 396 00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:23,240 Speaker 4: your name was all you had, right, especially as a 397 00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:29,480 Speaker 4: graffiti writer. So we could parody Marvel comics or the 398 00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:33,480 Speaker 4: Kung Fu flicks or even real life historical figure. You 399 00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:37,159 Speaker 4: could claim to be Frank Nitti or Al Capone, but 400 00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:41,600 Speaker 4: you couldn't say you were rock him, right, you understand. 401 00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:45,200 Speaker 4: So in graffiti we would take Mickey Mouse and redraw 402 00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:47,800 Speaker 4: him and give him a blunt and a baseball hat 403 00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:51,520 Speaker 4: or whatever, a gold chain, and that was fly. We 404 00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:55,960 Speaker 4: could bite off of the Disney Corporation or comedy lettering 405 00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:59,600 Speaker 4: from the Serial box or comic or Ajax, right, but 406 00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:03,680 Speaker 4: I could and copy lettering from Dondie. Somebody would call 407 00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:06,280 Speaker 4: me out on it. They say, yo, you bit that? 408 00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:10,680 Speaker 4: Now that seems to go out the window. There's actually 409 00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:15,080 Speaker 4: two rock Kims. Now there's two No, Yes, there's a 410 00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:19,320 Speaker 4: rock Kim who is a reggaetone performer. 411 00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:21,960 Speaker 1: Oh google, Yeah. 412 00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:25,720 Speaker 4: There's two Nazas. There's Little Nas and Big Nas. They're 413 00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:28,840 Speaker 4: both making fucking records at the same time. In my day, 414 00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:32,480 Speaker 4: that would have gone to blows and possibly you know, 415 00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:39,760 Speaker 4: even worse. You would fight to defend your name. Yeah, 416 00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:44,280 Speaker 4: So when somebody comes on and says they created the mask, 417 00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:49,520 Speaker 4: I immediately go to a place of ego and pride 418 00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:53,600 Speaker 4: that I is instilled in me from a kid we battle, 419 00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:55,000 Speaker 4: you know what I mean. 420 00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:57,280 Speaker 3: That's perfectly understandable. 421 00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:59,240 Speaker 4: Too, But I'm trying to be a little more humble 422 00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:02,040 Speaker 4: and adult about life these days. 423 00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:04,280 Speaker 2: We just wanted to give your flowers, man, and you know, 424 00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:08,800 Speaker 2: definitely correct history and let our let our listeners out there. 425 00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:12,159 Speaker 4: Know because AI is a dangerous thing now. It just 426 00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:15,840 Speaker 4: skims whatever the is on the internet. So if I 427 00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:19,280 Speaker 4: google who made the doom Mask, They're gonna find your 428 00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:22,960 Speaker 4: podcast and it'll say Hancholo created the doom Mask. 429 00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:26,479 Speaker 2: Right, I'm like, Okay, I doubt that's gonna happen now 430 00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:29,560 Speaker 2: because the right way we got dealt. 431 00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:35,480 Speaker 4: But listen, people don't understand how we grew up. Fat 432 00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:39,000 Speaker 4: Joe has a podcast now and all I see is 433 00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:42,640 Speaker 4: people calling a cap and he no way you did 434 00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:47,119 Speaker 4: these things right now. I happen to know Fat Joe was. 435 00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:49,760 Speaker 4: You know, they stuck up my man, Him and Brim 436 00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:52,600 Speaker 4: jumped out the van with a Soto shotgun and took 437 00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:55,120 Speaker 4: their spray paint. This is one Joe had records out. 438 00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:59,480 Speaker 4: He was dudes for spray paint. So when he tells 439 00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:04,399 Speaker 4: the story. I believe him. I know now there's no 440 00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:07,960 Speaker 4: beef anymore. I love Tad's crew by OBG Terror Squad. 441 00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:12,639 Speaker 4: Those are my people, But back then they were dangerous motherfuckers. 442 00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:12,800 Speaker 1: Bro. 443 00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:16,320 Speaker 4: But when I go to tell my own life story, 444 00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:18,800 Speaker 4: it sounds crazy that we could leave the house with 445 00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:23,280 Speaker 4: thirty five cents, hop the Turnstown steal spray, paint, rack 446 00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:27,920 Speaker 4: up some forty ounces, rub somebody for their weed coming 447 00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:30,120 Speaker 4: out of the weed spot on myrtle app and then 448 00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:32,679 Speaker 4: wind up the end of the night at the World 449 00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:36,919 Speaker 4: or the Tunnel, partying with Grace Jones and Madonald And 450 00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:39,879 Speaker 4: that was all in one day. I battled, you know, 451 00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:43,440 Speaker 4: I tell people will Yo, I battle Big Daddy Kane 452 00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:46,640 Speaker 4: in Albi Square Mall while Biz was doing the beat 453 00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:49,920 Speaker 4: Box before he had records, and they go, yeah, right, 454 00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:51,680 Speaker 4: sure you did. 455 00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:52,720 Speaker 1: I believe you. 456 00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:59,359 Speaker 4: And I battled Napoleon it fucking water because we didn't 457 00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:01,040 Speaker 4: have a camera the film everything. 458 00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:04,040 Speaker 3: I did want to ask you one more question. I 459 00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:07,359 Speaker 3: know you mentioned for Doom as a person as an artist, 460 00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:10,800 Speaker 3: the importance of the mask is him being able to 461 00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:13,600 Speaker 3: sort of separate his identity as a regular person versus 462 00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:16,320 Speaker 3: who he is on stage. But also think of this, right, 463 00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:18,920 Speaker 3: Like I started listening to Doom when I was seventeen. 464 00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:21,680 Speaker 3: I got a seventeen year old son now, and the 465 00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:25,200 Speaker 3: only artist that I rock with he rock with is Doom, 466 00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:27,760 Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. So in a sense, my grandson, 467 00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:30,480 Speaker 3: my grandson is five and loves Doming. 468 00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:33,160 Speaker 4: I didn't put him on and so he found out. 469 00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:36,919 Speaker 3: Doom is one of those few artists that is bigger 470 00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:39,680 Speaker 3: than life, and I do feel like the mask is 471 00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:42,600 Speaker 3: an important part of that. So I'm curious, what do 472 00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:47,000 Speaker 3: you think is the importance of the mask to Doom's legacy. 473 00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:50,400 Speaker 4: You have to understand the current popular climate at that 474 00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:54,360 Speaker 4: time was a lot of pretty boys and really slick, 475 00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:58,440 Speaker 4: high budget videos, dude stancing with their shirt off and 476 00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:00,880 Speaker 4: Doom to him it was like, oh, that's not what 477 00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:05,160 Speaker 4: this is about. It's about wreck, right, how nice you are, 478 00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:08,520 Speaker 4: how nasty you are with the skills. So there were 479 00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:12,840 Speaker 4: dudes who looked a certain way who maybe weren't as skillful. 480 00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:16,520 Speaker 4: You know the story of Martha wash the big woman 481 00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:21,680 Speaker 4: who sang right. Because she was a large sized woman, 482 00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:26,000 Speaker 4: they put models to lip sync for her in the video, 483 00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:30,720 Speaker 4: so that was happening in hip hop. It became more 484 00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:35,560 Speaker 4: about your appearance than your skills. And again, Doom is 485 00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:38,560 Speaker 4: old enough, even though he was far younger than I. 486 00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:41,880 Speaker 4: He remembers an era when you didn't know what you'd 487 00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:45,400 Speaker 4: hear the record, you didn't know what cats looked like. 488 00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:51,040 Speaker 4: It didn't happen. So he wanted to be judged on 489 00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:54,720 Speaker 4: his creative skills, not what he looked like. But honestly, 490 00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:57,959 Speaker 4: and he says it himself, he wasn't a Tom Cruise 491 00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:00,840 Speaker 4: looking dude. He was not a movie star handsome kind 492 00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:05,320 Speaker 4: of cat, and he made no bones about that. Girls 493 00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:07,880 Speaker 4: loved him. He was charming. He had a way to 494 00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:11,400 Speaker 4: talk to females that blew my mind. But you know, 495 00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:15,480 Speaker 4: he says it. A rather ugly brother would flows this 496 00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:20,240 Speaker 4: gorgeous so that he told you why he wears a mask. 497 00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:24,320 Speaker 4: People want to make it something it isn't. It's real simple, 498 00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:27,480 Speaker 4: you know what I mean. It's about the creativity, about 499 00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:30,400 Speaker 4: being allowed to be creative, because you got to remember, 500 00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:38,240 Speaker 4: the image on his KMD album cover is the excuse 501 00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:42,520 Speaker 4: that they used to cancel him and his younger brother 502 00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:46,720 Speaker 4: Rest in Peace of Robin because of what it looked like. 503 00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:50,760 Speaker 4: Without ever listening to that, so he wanted to take 504 00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:52,880 Speaker 4: that out. Yo, I might be a black dude, the 505 00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:55,320 Speaker 4: Spanish dude, I might be Chinese under this mask. I 506 00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:56,360 Speaker 4: don't fucking matter. 507 00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:58,560 Speaker 3: I'm so glad we was able to have you in 508 00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:03,040 Speaker 3: hear from you directly, to hear these stories. I mean, 509 00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:05,000 Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying, like do It means a 510 00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:07,480 Speaker 3: lot to me, It means a lot to us, And 511 00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:11,760 Speaker 3: it's dope to meet you having contributed such an iconic 512 00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:15,080 Speaker 3: piece of like hip hop art to the world that 513 00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:16,760 Speaker 3: I feel like is gonna outlive all of us. 514 00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:19,480 Speaker 4: May I shout out. What I'm working on right now 515 00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:22,920 Speaker 4: is before we rap. Absolutely So we're doing the Team 516 00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:26,560 Speaker 4: one documentary right now. Stay tuned for that. We're nice, 517 00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:33,400 Speaker 4: Starlene and Redman is in there. Everybody, everybody is. 518 00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:55,120 Speaker 1: In of course. The show is a production of iHeart Radio.