WEBVTT - Episode 34: Putting Lab Design (Feat. Tony Serrano) 0:00:00.400 --> 0:00:01.240 The guys from Ping. 0:00:01.320 --> 0:00:03.880 They've kind of showed me how much the equipment matters. 0:00:04.160 --> 0:00:06.000 I just love that I can hit any shot I 0:00:06.080 --> 0:00:06.560 kind of want. 0:00:06.720 --> 0:00:08.520 We're gonna be able to tell some fun stories about 0:00:08.520 --> 0:00:10.640 what goes on here to help golfers play better golf. 0:00:11.560 --> 0:00:14.440 Welcome back to the Ping proven Grounds Podcast. I'm Shane 0:00:14.440 --> 0:00:17.400 Bac and Marty Jertson with me. Marty, we're at Putting World. Yeah, 0:00:17.720 --> 0:00:21.440 we're in Scottsdale, which means it's WM Phoenix Open week. 0:00:21.800 --> 0:00:25.720 This week is super fun shame because this place is buzzing. 0:00:25.800 --> 0:00:28.319 We're at the tournament today and it's just like. 0:00:28.240 --> 0:00:29.440 A it's it's a who's who. 0:00:29.720 --> 0:00:33.559 Like it's like it's one of those weeks where you 0:00:33.600 --> 0:00:35.959 know people are gonna be texting you, calling you, Hey, 0:00:36.000 --> 0:00:36.800 I'm at the tournament. 0:00:36.840 --> 0:00:37.600 Can I get tickets? 0:00:37.600 --> 0:00:39.560 Can I come buy the office? Can I get some tickets? 0:00:39.680 --> 0:00:40.680 Any extra tickets floating? 0:00:41.400 --> 0:00:42.800 Before we get to our guest, I wanted to ask 0:00:42.880 --> 0:00:44.840 you about your experience playing in the Phoenix Open. 0:00:45.159 --> 0:00:48.040 You've played in one or I played in one in 0:00:48.080 --> 0:00:49.200 twenty twenty. 0:00:48.920 --> 0:00:50.640 Okay, can you tell about the experience doing that? 0:00:50.960 --> 0:00:51.840 Uh? 0:00:52.120 --> 0:00:54.360 It was it was kind of like my life's dream 0:00:54.560 --> 0:00:56.520 to play in the Phoenix Open because I grew up 0:00:56.560 --> 0:00:59.000 as a standard bearer, so I was eight nine, ten 0:00:59.080 --> 0:01:01.960 years old carrying the sign. I grew up in a 0:01:01.960 --> 0:01:04.600 small town globe, not too far from where Tony grew up, 0:01:05.000 --> 0:01:07.920 and you know, it was such a journey at that time. 0:01:07.959 --> 0:01:10.120 It was like four hours to get here, wake up 0:01:10.160 --> 0:01:12.720 at four in the morning, standard Bear, and I remember 0:01:12.720 --> 0:01:15.959 bringing home, bringing back to school the next day, autographs 0:01:16.040 --> 0:01:20.080 Davis loved the third and John Daily and Bobby Clampett 0:01:20.440 --> 0:01:22.720 or what have you, and just growing up being a 0:01:22.760 --> 0:01:25.319 standard bearer. Then it was like, Okay, I want to 0:01:25.319 --> 0:01:27.319 play in this someday, and I never thought I would 0:01:27.360 --> 0:01:29.760 be able to. But twenty twenty was a dream because 0:01:30.440 --> 0:01:33.720 my kids were there, and I love that my kids 0:01:33.720 --> 0:01:34.280 could go in. 0:01:34.319 --> 0:01:34.920 When you play. 0:01:35.000 --> 0:01:37.399 People might not know this, but when you get to sixteen, 0:01:38.040 --> 0:01:40.479 you're like, how's my family gonna like get in there 0:01:40.520 --> 0:01:43.160 and see me? Well, they take care of your family. 0:01:43.240 --> 0:01:46.200 You have ass right, you have a person there that's 0:01:46.280 --> 0:01:49.000 like okay, family, boom, We'll get you right into the 0:01:49.040 --> 0:01:52.000 front spot. They watch I hit beautiful shots on sixteen. 0:01:52.480 --> 0:01:56.120 Go over, say hi to my family that I'll never forget. 0:01:56.160 --> 0:01:58.800 Cheers or boosts. You said, beautiful shots. What was it like? 0:01:58.920 --> 0:01:59.520 I had cheers? 0:01:59.560 --> 0:02:02.400 I hit my both both rounds didn't make the cup, 0:02:02.440 --> 0:02:06.800 but in both rounds I hit awesome shots. Kevin Stadler 0:02:06.880 --> 0:02:09.360 told me, hey, whatever you do on sixteen to hit 0:02:09.400 --> 0:02:12.720 one less club, okay, puffed will be juiced. And he 0:02:12.880 --> 0:02:16.040 was absolutely right. It was like, you know, one sixty 0:02:16.120 --> 0:02:18.720 to the whole normally be a nine iron pitching wedge 0:02:18.760 --> 0:02:19.160 all day. 0:02:19.160 --> 0:02:21.799 Crush it right at the flag. It was cheers. It 0:02:21.880 --> 0:02:22.280 was cheers. 0:02:22.560 --> 0:02:24.880 So Marty having a legendary moment. We got a legend 0:02:24.919 --> 0:02:26.679 with us today. I want you to introduce him. I 0:02:26.720 --> 0:02:28.119 know you know him very very well, and you've worked 0:02:28.160 --> 0:02:31.280 closely with him for what I'm hearing is thirty plus 0:02:31.400 --> 0:02:32.000 years at ping. 0:02:32.639 --> 0:02:35.720 Yeah, Tony Serrano, who's one of my mentors at Ping, 0:02:36.120 --> 0:02:39.560 and I've learned a ton from Tony and it's awesome 0:02:39.600 --> 0:02:41.640 to have him on the podcast. He has poured his 0:02:41.880 --> 0:02:45.160 in his most recent part of his career at Ping, 0:02:45.160 --> 0:02:48.880 has poured his blood, sweat and tears into our Putter family, 0:02:48.919 --> 0:02:51.520 which we're going to talk about. But what's fun about 0:02:51.520 --> 0:02:54.000 Tony is he's worked with the Solheim family over all 0:02:54.040 --> 0:02:58.200 three generations, so that's yeah, yes, exactly going on the 0:02:58.200 --> 0:03:01.120 fourth now fourth generation, So Tony, I think I want 0:03:01.120 --> 0:03:03.360 to kick that off and ask you what it was like, 0:03:03.400 --> 0:03:07.000 because when I started paying, Carson had already passed and 0:03:07.080 --> 0:03:10.160 you would personally work with Carson and then his son 0:03:10.280 --> 0:03:13.000 John A. And now John K. Now the fourth generation. 0:03:13.200 --> 0:03:15.120 So what has that journey been like? 0:03:16.280 --> 0:03:18.600 It's been amazing, And first of all, thank you for 0:03:18.600 --> 0:03:22.920 having me. But yeah, when I first started, Carson was 0:03:23.200 --> 0:03:26.880 very involved in engineering and everything in the plant, and 0:03:27.600 --> 0:03:30.520 just kind of watching him and the things that he 0:03:31.400 --> 0:03:33.480 really focused on the details and some of the stuff 0:03:33.520 --> 0:03:38.200 that he was showing everybody and teaching everybody from the 0:03:38.240 --> 0:03:40.480 engineers all the way down to the people on the 0:03:40.520 --> 0:03:40.840 line and. 0:03:40.880 --> 0:03:41.800 Production that. 0:03:43.320 --> 0:03:46.400 The details really matter and that even a person on 0:03:46.440 --> 0:03:49.000 the line, if there's something you're not comfortable with, you 0:03:49.040 --> 0:03:51.080 can stop it and then just make sure we're doing 0:03:51.120 --> 0:03:53.880 the right thing. As always, what's kind of his biggest message, 0:03:53.960 --> 0:03:55.120 make sure we're doing the right thing. 0:03:55.600 --> 0:03:57.800 If you don't mind going back, you know, three and 0:03:57.880 --> 0:03:59.760 a half decades or so when you started to paying, 0:04:00.160 --> 0:04:02.640 were you a golfer, how did you kind of get 0:04:02.680 --> 0:04:05.560 involved in this great company and kind of how did 0:04:05.560 --> 0:04:07.360 you first start at Ping? 0:04:07.400 --> 0:04:08.280 What was your first gig? 0:04:08.400 --> 0:04:10.160 So I came down on a tour. 0:04:10.440 --> 0:04:13.200 I went to school more than Arizonia University and it 0:04:13.280 --> 0:04:15.600 came down on a tour to tour the machine shop. And 0:04:15.680 --> 0:04:18.120 at the time, in the late eighties, our machine shop 0:04:18.120 --> 0:04:24.120 at Ping was one of the more higher technology machines 0:04:24.120 --> 0:04:27.359 and stuff. C and See Carson was very always looking 0:04:27.360 --> 0:04:29.560 to how we could get better. So we had some 0:04:29.600 --> 0:04:32.320 of the first C and C's in the valley We're 0:04:32.360 --> 0:04:32.960 in our shop. 0:04:33.040 --> 0:04:34.720 So we went down as a group to see that. 0:04:35.120 --> 0:04:37.120 And while I was down there, I just asked. 0:04:36.880 --> 0:04:39.960 Hey, do you guys do internships? And they were kind 0:04:39.960 --> 0:04:45.040 of like, well, what's that? So long storyship? I did 0:04:45.080 --> 0:04:48.120 an internship and then where I went into full time. 0:04:48.440 --> 0:04:49.159 Were you a golfer? 0:04:49.400 --> 0:04:49.839 I was not. 0:04:50.000 --> 0:04:52.320 I mean I dabbled a little bit down in our 0:04:52.520 --> 0:04:54.880 kind of our hometowns, but not. 0:04:54.800 --> 0:04:55.799 Really not really. 0:04:55.960 --> 0:04:58.240 And Kit notes, who was here a bit ago. It 0:04:58.320 --> 0:05:00.400 was kind of digging into your chip and stuff like that. 0:05:00.480 --> 0:05:01.320 Are you a golfer now? 0:05:01.440 --> 0:05:01.760 I am? 0:05:01.920 --> 0:05:03.240 Okay? And how is the golf game? 0:05:03.400 --> 0:05:05.040 It's I wish it was better. 0:05:05.080 --> 0:05:07.880 I'm gonna I kind of hover between eight and nine 0:05:08.040 --> 0:05:09.440 but want to be five. 0:05:09.720 --> 0:05:12.240 But well, you know, well, it's it's I love it. 0:05:12.240 --> 0:05:13.480 It's a tough world to live it. I mean you 0:05:13.480 --> 0:05:15.880 got a yeah, look around playing a tour events. 0:05:15.560 --> 0:05:18.440 And play a major championships. I feel intimidated showing up 0:05:18.480 --> 0:05:20.120 as well. I had to play this guy a match yesterday. 0:05:20.120 --> 0:05:20.560 It was tough. 0:05:21.000 --> 0:05:24.120 Our whole group of engineers from Corey and Marty and 0:05:24.160 --> 0:05:28.200 all these guys are so good. So always we always 0:05:28.240 --> 0:05:30.919 joke around, Hey, make sure you guys are developing product 0:05:31.000 --> 0:05:33.000 for an eight and nine hand, not just a scratch. 0:05:33.279 --> 0:05:35.600 But you put like a tour player tying well, I mean, 0:05:35.640 --> 0:05:38.520 come on, he can roll the rock. 0:05:38.560 --> 0:05:41.760 That's where that's where you can make up the shots. Yeah. 0:05:41.800 --> 0:05:44.600 So when you got into into the golf, into ping, 0:05:44.600 --> 0:05:46.560 when you got into kind of building golf clubs and 0:05:46.560 --> 0:05:49.039 working in that world, where did you start in terms 0:05:49.040 --> 0:05:50.680 of what golf clubs you started on and how did 0:05:50.720 --> 0:05:51.880 you get into putters. 0:05:51.960 --> 0:05:56.440 So my very first project was the LA bag stands. Okay, 0:05:56.480 --> 0:05:57.000 when we did the. 0:05:57.080 --> 0:05:59.560 La bags back when we first started doing La bags 0:05:59.560 --> 0:06:02.600 back in the late eighties. So I worked on that 0:06:03.240 --> 0:06:06.800 and was work close with Johnny on that. That was 0:06:06.839 --> 0:06:09.480 a big project for him, and then I went into. 0:06:09.279 --> 0:06:12.400 Working on the woodwoods. So the first woodward. 0:06:11.960 --> 0:06:16.560 I worked on was the zing woodwoods, and I worked 0:06:17.440 --> 0:06:20.200 both with Carson and Johnny on that, and they both 0:06:20.240 --> 0:06:23.000 had kind of differing opinions on how we should do it. 0:06:23.040 --> 0:06:25.599 But it was a great experience to hear from both 0:06:25.640 --> 0:06:28.400 these guys and what and they both aligned on what 0:06:28.480 --> 0:06:30.720 was very important, maybe just different ways of doing it. 0:06:30.760 --> 0:06:32.560 Which which did you go with? Do you feel like 0:06:32.800 --> 0:06:34.280 the end of today, who won that battle? 0:06:35.720 --> 0:06:38.400 It was actually I have a quick story. 0:06:38.520 --> 0:06:40.720 Yeah, yeah, for sure's it's a podcast. 0:06:40.320 --> 0:06:43.480 We were working on woodwoods at the times. 0:06:43.520 --> 0:06:47.080 We just at the time we had the itu woods 0:06:47.120 --> 0:06:50.520 out there and the itues were you looked at the 0:06:50.520 --> 0:06:52.240 soaplate they had kind of had a half circle on 0:06:52.279 --> 0:06:54.360 a flat and then screw so it was locked in 0:06:54.400 --> 0:06:57.039 like a puzzle piece. So Johnny and I were working 0:06:57.080 --> 0:06:59.120 on soap plates that did not have that, and we 0:06:59.240 --> 0:07:03.200 just added a screw and Carston. John would tell me, 0:07:03.240 --> 0:07:04.960 We'll go show my dad, and I'd go show his 0:07:05.040 --> 0:07:07.200 dad and his dad would say, quit working on that. 0:07:07.360 --> 0:07:09.600 We're not doing that. I go back to John and 0:07:09.640 --> 0:07:11.520 John goes, We're fine, just keep doing it. 0:07:12.000 --> 0:07:13.480 So I mean, how stressed here here? 0:07:13.480 --> 0:07:17.160 You're yeah, I'm like twenty three. I'm like, I don't 0:07:17.200 --> 0:07:18.400 know what's going on here. 0:07:19.040 --> 0:07:22.440 So then one day I went to Carston and this 0:07:22.480 --> 0:07:24.760 had gone on for a while and Carson didn't say 0:07:24.760 --> 0:07:27.280 a word to me, and he says, follow me, and 0:07:27.320 --> 0:07:31.160 we walked across the street to uh it's twenty first Avenue, 0:07:31.200 --> 0:07:33.680 which is now closed off. It's Carston Way, but at 0:07:33.680 --> 0:07:36.800 the time it was a public street, so cars are 0:07:36.800 --> 0:07:37.320 going through there. 0:07:37.400 --> 0:07:37.679 Whatever. 0:07:38.560 --> 0:07:41.520 So he walks walks me out into this road and 0:07:41.600 --> 0:07:44.440 Carston's you know, he's up there in age still. And 0:07:45.440 --> 0:07:48.200 he walks up to the curb of the street and 0:07:48.240 --> 0:07:51.080 he just starts swinging this wood as hard as he 0:07:51.120 --> 0:07:52.600 could against the curb. 0:07:53.320 --> 0:07:55.560 And I'm like, oh my gosh, what is going on here? 0:07:55.560 --> 0:07:58.000 And he's swinging as hard as he can and finally 0:07:58.440 --> 0:08:00.720 the soul plate falls off and it's rolling down the street. 0:08:01.360 --> 0:08:03.600 So I go pick up the soul plate. I come 0:08:03.640 --> 0:08:04.280 back to Carson. 0:08:04.360 --> 0:08:06.800 I'm like here, and he goes, let me see that, 0:08:06.840 --> 0:08:08.200 and I said okay, and he looks at the soap 0:08:08.200 --> 0:08:11.040 plate and he goes this, this is good. 0:08:11.160 --> 0:08:14.119 I go, how's that good? It just flew off, he said. 0:08:15.240 --> 0:08:18.040 The soul plate or the lamban ins from the wood 0:08:18.080 --> 0:08:20.720 were stuck on the soap plate so still, so the 0:08:20.840 --> 0:08:23.520 glue did not fail, the lambine failed in the wood. 0:08:23.840 --> 0:08:26.080 So he was okay with it. And then from there 0:08:26.120 --> 0:08:27.200 on that we were good to go. 0:08:27.640 --> 0:08:28.320 You were smooth. 0:08:29.040 --> 0:08:31.720 But tell I tell some of the younger guys back 0:08:31.720 --> 0:08:33.559 in the day, that's how we did destructive testing. 0:08:33.800 --> 0:08:34.959 Carson would go hit it on. 0:08:34.920 --> 0:08:39.520 The streets going by and he's swinging as hard as 0:08:39.520 --> 0:08:42.960 he can. I'm like, what's going on here? But that's 0:08:43.040 --> 0:08:44.920 kind of how Carson did it. It was kind of down 0:08:44.960 --> 0:08:50.520 to just the very basics, right, and and that was 0:08:50.600 --> 0:08:52.720 his way. And I think he went over to kind 0:08:52.720 --> 0:08:54.800 of show me and show I don't know about John, 0:08:54.840 --> 0:08:58.439 but hey, this if they can withstand this, it was 0:08:58.480 --> 0:08:59.560 a learning moment for me. 0:09:00.040 --> 0:09:00.240 Yeah. 0:09:00.679 --> 0:09:03.280 He was worried about the POxy not holding you know, 0:09:03.320 --> 0:09:06.120 we didn't have the mechanical lock anymore, and that we 0:09:06.200 --> 0:09:09.040 showed him that the it did hold up. The wood 0:09:09.040 --> 0:09:12.439 failed and we've been doing woodwoods four years and they 0:09:12.480 --> 0:09:14.120 never failed, So he was okay with that. 0:09:14.400 --> 0:09:16.800 Yeah, Yeah, I've also heard you worked on the la 0:09:17.000 --> 0:09:19.600 you know around the office. We'll take a bag and 0:09:19.720 --> 0:09:22.880 throw it yep and go boom and then make sure 0:09:22.920 --> 0:09:25.319 it can land and stand and not break. 0:09:25.559 --> 0:09:28.640 So yeah, yeah, that's pretty that party. That's like old 0:09:28.640 --> 0:09:30.520 school team. They do it a little different. Now, I 0:09:30.559 --> 0:09:32.880 know there's a there's a machine that literally picks the 0:09:32.880 --> 0:09:34.120 bags up and sets them down. 0:09:34.160 --> 0:09:36.200 Now, but yeah, the old schools, you hit the club 0:09:36.240 --> 0:09:37.319 against the curve of throw the back. 0:09:38.600 --> 0:09:39.400 Yeah, exactly. 0:09:39.840 --> 0:09:43.080 So, Tony, we worked on bags, You worked on wood woods, 0:09:44.360 --> 0:09:46.599 and then what was the transition. 0:09:46.360 --> 0:09:47.480 So to next for you? 0:09:47.600 --> 0:09:49.640 Yeah, so I worked on the like I said, the 0:09:49.720 --> 0:09:52.880 zing woods, and I went into the ice I woodwoods. 0:09:53.320 --> 0:09:58.960 I worked on the Tysi tys I tech rapture rapture be. 0:09:59.120 --> 0:10:01.400 By the way, that's close to my heart because as 0:10:01.440 --> 0:10:04.240 the junior golfer, that was when I got into ping. 0:10:04.679 --> 0:10:07.400 Was when the that was the driver that you know 0:10:07.400 --> 0:10:10.840 everybody had junior golf. I had two of them. 0:10:11.120 --> 0:10:13.920 Yeah, somebody tried and locally try to change the shaft 0:10:13.920 --> 0:10:15.640 out for me and screwed it up, because remember you 0:10:15.679 --> 0:10:18.000 had to take it to like a professional. But I 0:10:18.000 --> 0:10:20.200 mean that was my first I believe that was really 0:10:20.200 --> 0:10:21.400 my first introduction. 0:10:21.040 --> 0:10:23.800 To pay and that was our first titanium woods. 0:10:23.880 --> 0:10:24.040 Right. 0:10:24.320 --> 0:10:27.920 So I worked on the fairy woods and Dan Kupka 0:10:27.920 --> 0:10:30.480 who was our lead design engineer there and he worked 0:10:30.480 --> 0:10:33.480 on the driver stuff, but we did Tye Sithe tys 0:10:33.520 --> 0:10:35.440 I Tech and then into the Rapture stuff, and then 0:10:35.480 --> 0:10:39.160 I think you came in on some of the Raptor stuff. 0:10:37.280 --> 0:10:39.960 And your post Rapture is that you Marty? 0:10:40.040 --> 0:10:40.240 Yeah? 0:10:40.320 --> 0:10:43.160 Right at the Raptor I Will designed the Raptor hybrid. Well, 0:10:43.280 --> 0:10:46.040 I was following Tony's lead on the driver. You know, 0:10:46.240 --> 0:10:48.400 we were tying the whole family together, right. 0:10:48.400 --> 0:10:51.720 So so how how how instrumental was he in your career? 0:10:51.880 --> 0:10:54.280 You know, like you're coming up and he's obviously established 0:10:54.280 --> 0:10:57.120 at this point at ping, Like are you bouncing ideas 0:10:57.160 --> 0:10:57.680 off of him? 0:10:57.840 --> 0:10:59.920 Is he kind of your carston on a way? 0:11:00.120 --> 0:11:02.720 Is in in like how you ask questions and go 0:11:02.760 --> 0:11:03.600 through those processes. 0:11:03.640 --> 0:11:04.920 Yeah? I would say a little bit of both. 0:11:05.120 --> 0:11:07.240 Like, you know, the Driver we've talked a lot about 0:11:07.240 --> 0:11:09.839 and Tony was the lead designer. I mean he's touched 0:11:09.840 --> 0:11:11.960 a lot of products that a lot of people have 0:11:12.400 --> 0:11:17.240 tyas I Tyasi Tech fairy woulds right titanium with the 0:11:17.520 --> 0:11:23.959 with the zirconium soul plate then exactly, So Tony leading 0:11:24.000 --> 0:11:26.680 the raptured driver, it was like the driver kind of 0:11:26.679 --> 0:11:29.560 sets the tone for the whole frightly. So that's really 0:11:29.640 --> 0:11:33.280 where we first started working together. But yeah, Tony's been 0:11:33.320 --> 0:11:35.160 a great mentor to me and a lot of our 0:11:35.240 --> 0:11:38.920 junior our engineers, coming up on all the nuance like 0:11:39.240 --> 0:11:42.640 how do you understand the core principles because he's worked 0:11:42.640 --> 0:11:45.600 with Carston and John for so long, how do you 0:11:45.679 --> 0:11:49.640 instill all those principles into your day to day decision making? 0:11:49.800 --> 0:11:49.959 Right? 0:11:50.000 --> 0:11:51.679 And I think that's what Tony has been great at 0:11:51.720 --> 0:11:53.160 with with the rest of the engineering group. 0:11:53.679 --> 0:11:57.120 Loves to teach Tony how is Marty at a young age? 0:11:57.160 --> 0:11:59.920 Because you know, like you see these young prodigy golfers 0:12:00.000 --> 0:12:03.079 and you go, oh Man Lori Mcrroy, Victor Hovem, like 0:12:03.120 --> 0:12:04.640 these guys are great at a young age. How was 0:12:04.679 --> 0:12:05.800 Marty as a youngster? 0:12:06.280 --> 0:12:09.760 I remember the day that Marty was hired and we 0:12:09.800 --> 0:12:11.319 went out and we talked to him out at Moon 0:12:11.400 --> 0:12:13.319 Valley one day, a group of us went out and 0:12:13.360 --> 0:12:17.520 talked to and Marty had a crew cut and he 0:12:17.640 --> 0:12:20.480 was all business man, and he when he came in, 0:12:20.520 --> 0:12:21.760 he was down in manufacturing. 0:12:22.080 --> 0:12:24.760 Yeah, so Marty's been on. 0:12:24.640 --> 0:12:28.480 The floor working on equipment, working with people, learning how 0:12:28.480 --> 0:12:31.480 the process works. And then you could just see Marty 0:12:31.600 --> 0:12:33.920 kind of grow from there and then take that what 0:12:34.040 --> 0:12:36.800 he learned with work with people on the floor, and 0:12:36.840 --> 0:12:39.920 then with the manufacturing team, and then taking that and 0:12:39.920 --> 0:12:42.280 when he got into design and helping out, it just 0:12:42.360 --> 0:12:43.320 kind of flowed together. 0:12:44.080 --> 0:12:46.720 Yeah, And that's what I've loved about Tony's journey is 0:12:46.720 --> 0:12:49.040 that he's still today now working on putters, which we'll 0:12:49.040 --> 0:12:52.320 get to, is working across the entire spectrum. 0:12:52.360 --> 0:12:54.400 And that's that's what we both love about. 0:12:54.240 --> 0:12:58.559 Paying You get your hands dirty down there in manufacturing, 0:12:58.760 --> 0:13:01.400 like like making the action whole product all you know, 0:13:01.480 --> 0:13:03.720 then all the way up to designing it and doing 0:13:03.720 --> 0:13:07.200 what we're here doing. Everyone enjoying the fruits of our labor. 0:13:07.200 --> 0:13:10.720 There is super fun. And even to John Solheim's credit, 0:13:10.840 --> 0:13:13.760 right when we were during COVID, when we were all 0:13:14.160 --> 0:13:16.880 all of us office workers are down there building product. 0:13:17.040 --> 0:13:17.480 John A. 0:13:17.640 --> 0:13:23.360 Solheim is down there working shifts on Saturday mornings. Everyone's 0:13:23.360 --> 0:13:26.560 got their face coverings on during COVID and people didn't 0:13:26.600 --> 0:13:29.440 know it was him. Right, He's down there putting his 0:13:29.559 --> 0:13:33.360 time in and that is incredible. You you still do 0:13:33.440 --> 0:13:34.880 that to this day, which I have a lot of 0:13:35.000 --> 0:13:35.960 respect for Tony on. 0:13:36.600 --> 0:13:40.400 And that's and for John john A to do that, 0:13:40.720 --> 0:13:42.640 and that's kind of his style, right. He doesn't want 0:13:42.679 --> 0:13:44.560 to make a big deal about it. He doesn't want people. 0:13:44.880 --> 0:13:47.600 He just wants to if you see him, find but 0:13:47.640 --> 0:13:49.480 that's not his purpose to go and say, hey, look 0:13:49.480 --> 0:13:51.520 at me, I'm down here. He actually is doing it 0:13:51.559 --> 0:13:52.439 just to help the company. 0:13:52.840 --> 0:13:55.320 So let's transition to PLD, you know, because I mean 0:13:55.559 --> 0:13:58.079 that goes back to twenty sixteen working with tour players. 0:13:58.800 --> 0:14:01.440 How did that kind of idea come about? And how 0:14:01.520 --> 0:14:04.520 is that process like to basically come up with this 0:14:04.640 --> 0:14:05.640 new line of putters for Ping. 0:14:05.800 --> 0:14:10.920 Yeah, back then Chance Cosby was running our tour department 0:14:10.960 --> 0:14:15.000 and then our VP of Engineering and me we went 0:14:15.040 --> 0:14:16.720 and talked to Chance or Chance came to us and 0:14:16.760 --> 0:14:19.200 basically was saying, hey, we need to up our game 0:14:19.200 --> 0:14:22.760 in putters. We need to do more because there's competitors 0:14:22.760 --> 0:14:24.640 out there and other people that are doing mild putters 0:14:24.640 --> 0:14:28.160 and doing a lot of different stuff. And so Paul Wood, 0:14:28.200 --> 0:14:31.640 our VP of engineering, says, Okay, this is this is what. 0:14:31.560 --> 0:14:32.040 You're gonna do. 0:14:32.080 --> 0:14:33.640 You need to go out and start figuring out how 0:14:33.680 --> 0:14:38.120 to do this. So twenty sixteen seventeen started going out 0:14:38.160 --> 0:14:41.720 on tour and talking with players and trying to just 0:14:41.840 --> 0:14:42.560 kind of fill it. 0:14:42.480 --> 0:14:44.960 Out to see what they're looking for, what they need. 0:14:44.880 --> 0:14:47.280 And how you know, how are you starting those conversations 0:14:47.280 --> 0:14:48.880 like are you going up to a Bubba Watson and 0:14:48.920 --> 0:14:52.040 you're saying, hey, we're thinking about doing this at Ping, 0:14:52.120 --> 0:14:53.640 We're going to be doing this at Ping? Or were 0:14:53.640 --> 0:14:55.400 you just kind of seeing what their thoughts were on 0:14:55.680 --> 0:14:57.120 the actual putter line that existed. 0:14:57.280 --> 0:14:59.400 I would say a lot of the First of all, 0:14:59.400 --> 0:15:01.360 I was very so it's tough for me to go 0:15:01.800 --> 0:15:05.360 It's like Lee Westwood and Louis and Bubba and these 0:15:05.360 --> 0:15:08.720 guys and and just start kicking this on this conversation up. 0:15:08.760 --> 0:15:11.800 But our tour reps, Christian Pagne at the time and 0:15:12.440 --> 0:15:15.400 Ko were very helpful with that. Right they brought they 0:15:15.400 --> 0:15:17.000 brought it in. They kind of tee it up for 0:15:17.040 --> 0:15:20.520 me to go in and have these conversations. But our 0:15:20.560 --> 0:15:23.200 players are so good and they're very receptive to this, 0:15:23.800 --> 0:15:27.520 and it takes the time going out there as much 0:15:27.560 --> 0:15:28.320 as you can. 0:15:28.600 --> 0:15:29.720 And getting their trust. 0:15:30.080 --> 0:15:32.720 Yeah, is the first thing that you can actually deliver something. 0:15:33.560 --> 0:15:35.520 Because that was what I when I was going out 0:15:35.880 --> 0:15:38.320 is our tour guys. Tour rep said, the one thing 0:15:38.360 --> 0:15:40.160 you cannot do is say hey, I'm gonna get you 0:15:40.200 --> 0:15:42.520 something and then not get it to them in a 0:15:42.600 --> 0:15:43.280 time of manner. 0:15:43.440 --> 0:15:45.000 So make sure like children, you. 0:15:45.000 --> 0:15:46.880 Got to don't tell your child you's going to Disney 0:15:46.880 --> 0:15:48.160 World and then bail on that trip. 0:15:48.360 --> 0:15:49.280 So you have to commit. 0:15:49.400 --> 0:15:51.800 And it's just a little bit of a process of 0:15:52.400 --> 0:15:54.480 I think gaining their trust a little bit, but also 0:15:54.560 --> 0:15:56.880 producing a good product for them that helps them actually 0:15:56.880 --> 0:15:57.840 go and win tournaments. 0:15:58.000 --> 0:16:00.000 I think early on there, Tony, I remember you you 0:16:00.120 --> 0:16:04.640 brought some samples of putters that are even our own 0:16:04.720 --> 0:16:07.000 staff hadn't seen before from us, right, I. 0:16:06.960 --> 0:16:10.560 Mean, are these like are these like PLD adjacent ideas 0:16:10.600 --> 0:16:11.520 like mill look. 0:16:12.400 --> 0:16:14.680 So this Shane, that's a great question. 0:16:14.760 --> 0:16:17.560 I mean, even if you take a classic answer design 0:16:18.160 --> 0:16:20.240 and Tony, I want to go into this some of 0:16:20.280 --> 0:16:22.680 the nuanced details that you do. You go back to 0:16:22.760 --> 0:16:25.280 your machine shop where it all started. What are some 0:16:25.320 --> 0:16:27.360 of those nuanced things is some of the one of 0:16:27.400 --> 0:16:29.360 the first samples we brought out there, Shane, which is 0:16:29.440 --> 0:16:32.240 an answer, but it just you set it down, you're like, 0:16:32.280 --> 0:16:35.960 wait a minute, this looks different. So there's a lot 0:16:36.000 --> 0:16:39.520 you can do in the machining process, the speeds, feeds, 0:16:39.560 --> 0:16:42.640 the cutters. Tony talk about some of those all those 0:16:42.640 --> 0:16:45.640 little nuanced details in there on those early on samples 0:16:45.640 --> 0:16:48.160 that's now in our in our PLD family. 0:16:48.480 --> 0:16:50.280 I think that was the one thing that's really important 0:16:50.280 --> 0:16:52.480 to me is we have a really good machine shop 0:16:52.960 --> 0:16:55.920 and I really wanted to take advantage of them and 0:16:56.040 --> 0:16:59.600 really focus on the machining of the putters and just 0:16:59.640 --> 0:17:03.480 the all details. And it's not just an answer putter 0:17:03.520 --> 0:17:06.280 like Myrier's talking about. It's not it's every surface is 0:17:06.320 --> 0:17:08.560 important on that. It's the top rail, it's the balance, 0:17:08.560 --> 0:17:10.800 it's a hozzle, and how those should look when you 0:17:10.840 --> 0:17:14.400 set down that putter is how are the shadows, how 0:17:14.440 --> 0:17:17.280 are the different milding lines. This is more a little 0:17:17.320 --> 0:17:19.879 bit more aggressive. This is not as aggressive, so you 0:17:19.920 --> 0:17:22.600 can highlight certain parts of the clutter. But it was 0:17:22.640 --> 0:17:25.320 when we start first started going out and talking to 0:17:26.040 --> 0:17:31.160 these players, it was the top rail thickness or how 0:17:31.160 --> 0:17:33.480 it broke off with the toe and the shadowing and 0:17:33.560 --> 0:17:35.560 the tangents of the curves and stuff that they are 0:17:35.640 --> 0:17:40.439 square and every line, every milliing line, every surface was 0:17:40.480 --> 0:17:45.320 either parallel or perpendicular to the ball or to the face, 0:17:45.640 --> 0:17:48.120 but still keeping that classic answered look right. 0:17:48.880 --> 0:17:50.720 So a guy Bubba Watson puts it down. 0:17:50.720 --> 0:17:52.879 I was just like, Okay, I'm used to seeing I've 0:17:52.920 --> 0:17:56.000 won two masters with a mask with an answer putter. 0:17:56.400 --> 0:17:58.320 This looks good to me, or this is what I 0:17:58.320 --> 0:18:00.399 want to do, and then just going through plus and 0:18:00.480 --> 0:18:01.240 say okay, hey. 0:18:01.080 --> 0:18:02.480 Next time I see you, I'll have that for you. 0:18:02.800 --> 0:18:03.560 And then just it. 0:18:03.520 --> 0:18:06.680 Could be one iteration, it could take six iterations before 0:18:06.720 --> 0:18:08.960 we get there. But once we get there, the guys 0:18:09.320 --> 0:18:12.280 has that trust now and seeing we're making progress and 0:18:12.320 --> 0:18:14.280 what he likes to see and how's it feels and sounds. 0:18:14.280 --> 0:18:16.840 So do you do you remember a certain moment where 0:18:16.960 --> 0:18:18.800 you were going through that process with a player and 0:18:18.840 --> 0:18:20.800 you finally gave him a model and they were like, 0:18:21.119 --> 0:18:23.760 oh my goodness, this is it. You have a moment 0:18:23.800 --> 0:18:24.040 like that. 0:18:24.080 --> 0:18:28.640 There's a there's a couple one with shamous power. Yeah, 0:18:28.720 --> 0:18:32.440 this is an interesting thing. Because we started talking about 0:18:32.440 --> 0:18:34.040 putters and kind of what he wanted to see what 0:18:34.119 --> 0:18:37.760 he liked. So I went back to work and I 0:18:37.760 --> 0:18:40.399 I think I made six different screenshots of things he 0:18:40.440 --> 0:18:42.480 had said, and then I would send it to him 0:18:42.520 --> 0:18:44.040 and I'd say, what do you like a B, C 0:18:44.240 --> 0:18:46.200 or D? And he said, I like B, but can 0:18:46.240 --> 0:18:49.320 you give me a little bit of C. So then 0:18:49.640 --> 0:18:51.280 I would do the cad work and it's in and 0:18:51.320 --> 0:18:52.880 again he goes, okay, I like that. 0:18:53.440 --> 0:18:54.879 So then this is kind. 0:18:54.720 --> 0:18:57.080 Of how the process kind of developed out there for 0:18:57.119 --> 0:18:59.560 me was Okay, now you've given me pretty good direction 0:18:59.680 --> 0:19:01.640 what you like. Then I go print out a three 0:19:01.720 --> 0:19:05.199 D printed party and take it out on tour and 0:19:05.240 --> 0:19:07.440 then have the guys actually set it down on the green. 0:19:07.520 --> 0:19:10.240 I painted up black but white lines and have them 0:19:10.280 --> 0:19:12.240 set down the green behind the ball and say, okay, 0:19:12.320 --> 0:19:14.560 is this what you really want? And sometimes it is, 0:19:14.880 --> 0:19:18.200 sometimes it's another iteration. But my goal was, Hey, I'm 0:19:18.200 --> 0:19:20.720 not gonna start cutting apart until you see something you're 0:19:20.760 --> 0:19:23.440 like that looks great, and let's go. And then it's 0:19:23.560 --> 0:19:25.359 then we start making parts and go from there. 0:19:25.920 --> 0:19:28.880 And seamush Tony we know from his ipaying data because 0:19:28.920 --> 0:19:33.080 We studied that a lot your your signature of your stroke. 0:19:33.280 --> 0:19:36.119 His tempo ratio is always really on the slow side. 0:19:36.160 --> 0:19:39.200 Correct, So how did that weave into you know, you're 0:19:39.240 --> 0:19:42.840 dialing in making sure Shamus, how's what he wants in 0:19:42.880 --> 0:19:46.200 the setup position, how it looks, what about the how 0:19:46.200 --> 0:19:49.879 does his stroke type inform the design in the hozzle? 0:19:50.320 --> 0:19:54.399 And the one thing I think with putters is it's 0:19:54.760 --> 0:19:56.399 a player's got to set it down and look at 0:19:56.440 --> 0:19:58.040 it and say that looks really good to me. That 0:19:58.080 --> 0:20:00.320 gives me confidence I know I can. But then the 0:20:00.359 --> 0:20:02.760 hood is okay, well, how do we get the weighting right? 0:20:02.760 --> 0:20:04.359 How do we get our MOI right? How do we 0:20:04.400 --> 0:20:07.080 get our CG in the right position? And with Shamus, 0:20:07.320 --> 0:20:10.040 it actually ended up we ended up trying different materials 0:20:10.040 --> 0:20:12.440 on the soul plate to get the weight tool where 0:20:12.440 --> 0:20:14.920 it matched his temple better. So we had stained the 0:20:14.960 --> 0:20:17.040 still we had I think we ended up doing a 0:20:17.080 --> 0:20:20.719 carbon or a copper soul plate on him because they 0:20:20.760 --> 0:20:24.439 needed a heavier head without changing too much about it. 0:20:24.520 --> 0:20:29.119 So yeah, so getting the right weight to match along 0:20:29.160 --> 0:20:31.600 with the look that looks good to him is those 0:20:31.640 --> 0:20:34.280 things have to work together so that he can put 0:20:34.320 --> 0:20:35.600 that in Marty. 0:20:35.680 --> 0:20:36.840 It's it's so interesting. 0:20:36.840 --> 0:20:39.320 You know, golf is so much about problem solving, you know, 0:20:39.359 --> 0:20:41.040 like we talk about it in terms of strategy when 0:20:41.040 --> 0:20:43.840 you're playing golf. Right, it's okay, this T shop might 0:20:43.920 --> 0:20:45.560 might not fit my onye maybe had three wood, or 0:20:45.760 --> 0:20:47.560 you know, I can kind of get aggressive here. That's 0:20:47.600 --> 0:20:49.680 really this whole place into it. It's so interesting when 0:20:49.680 --> 0:20:52.520 you develop a new product, it's also about, you know, 0:20:52.600 --> 0:20:54.880 kind of coming up with a with a problem to solve, right, 0:20:54.920 --> 0:20:56.919 It's how can we make this better? PLD was a 0:20:57.119 --> 0:20:59.320 was a problem solver in a way. It was introducing 0:20:59.480 --> 0:21:02.119 this amazing line of putters, but it's also just going 0:21:02.160 --> 0:21:03.960 through You're talking to the best players in the world 0:21:04.200 --> 0:21:07.000 about these certain things, and you're taking their feedback back 0:21:07.040 --> 0:21:09.680 home to create you know, new concepts and new ideas, 0:21:09.760 --> 0:21:10.280 new designs. 0:21:10.560 --> 0:21:12.920 Yeah, definitely, And I think it's just that marriage. 0:21:12.960 --> 0:21:15.679 What Tony's done a great job of is strutting out 0:21:16.119 --> 0:21:17.040 like our PLD. 0:21:17.800 --> 0:21:20.440 So many of golfers out there just love the look 0:21:20.480 --> 0:21:22.080 of it. I can't tell you how many. 0:21:23.320 --> 0:21:25.440 Folks I run across and they are like, man, your 0:21:25.440 --> 0:21:29.240 guys putters are awesome now because they have that Look, 0:21:29.640 --> 0:21:34.760 you can take the same geometry, change the the the 0:21:34.960 --> 0:21:38.439 tool path with the cutter just ever so slightly in 0:21:38.480 --> 0:21:40.639 this thing will have a totally different look. Yeah, you know, 0:21:40.800 --> 0:21:43.480 but it's mere going back to to Seamus, is that 0:21:43.640 --> 0:21:46.240 marriage of Matt, then you still got to fit it 0:21:46.280 --> 0:21:48.480 to their stroke type for them to put their best, right. 0:21:49.640 --> 0:21:53.320 Bubba, didn't Bubba have like a weird paint or something 0:21:53.359 --> 0:21:54.240 on his PLD. 0:21:54.320 --> 0:21:56.919 Didn't he have like was it it was? Was it 0:21:56.960 --> 0:21:58.160 like what it would change color? 0:21:58.200 --> 0:21:58.640 Rainbow? 0:21:58.800 --> 0:22:01.119 It was a rainbow that was a rainbow po So 0:22:01.160 --> 0:22:02.720 I mean, was that a request from him or was 0:22:02.720 --> 0:22:04.400 that you guys presenting them with something. 0:22:04.200 --> 0:22:09.120 Different, Not that that was before that pre PLD pre PLD. Yeah, 0:22:09.160 --> 0:22:13.119 but he was another guy that going on early into it. 0:22:13.680 --> 0:22:16.679 I remember, I think it was twenty eighteen Genesis and 0:22:16.720 --> 0:22:17.639 we've gone through this whole. 0:22:17.520 --> 0:22:18.720 Process that I just talked about. 0:22:18.960 --> 0:22:22.600 And I brought a potter out for him and he 0:22:22.800 --> 0:22:25.680 was coming down ten the par the short par four 0:22:25.760 --> 0:22:28.320 at the Riviera, and so I met him on that 0:22:28.359 --> 0:22:30.720 green and he's putting with it. He's potting with it, 0:22:31.000 --> 0:22:32.760 and all the tour guys are out there. Everyone's like, 0:22:32.800 --> 0:22:34.800 there's no chance, there's no chance. He was saying it's 0:22:34.840 --> 0:22:37.919 too fast off the off the face, but then he 0:22:37.960 --> 0:22:39.920 took it with him and played a practice round, actually 0:22:39.960 --> 0:22:41.520 put it in the bag that week. 0:22:41.359 --> 0:22:43.159 In one and went on to win three times with it. 0:22:43.520 --> 0:22:46.640 So you just never know his best friend night if 0:22:46.640 --> 0:22:48.879 the guy, if it goes back to if he sets 0:22:48.880 --> 0:22:52.199 it down and it fits him, the weight's right, the 0:22:52.240 --> 0:22:54.399 lofts right, the ball's coming off the way he wants 0:22:55.000 --> 0:22:56.400 it to roll, the sound. 0:22:56.240 --> 0:22:56.680 The feel. 0:22:57.400 --> 0:22:59.440 These guys are gonna if they're making pots, man, they're gonna, 0:22:59.480 --> 0:23:01.720 especially him for sure. If he can roll the ball, 0:23:01.960 --> 0:23:03.320 he's he's gonna win. 0:23:03.640 --> 0:23:03.920 Tony. 0:23:03.960 --> 0:23:05.680 I want to dive into two more players you work 0:23:05.760 --> 0:23:08.120 with the time. One is Tony Final yep, Like, let's 0:23:08.160 --> 0:23:10.320 let's talk about the answer. Two D how that came 0:23:10.359 --> 0:23:13.000 to be and how long you were working with Tony 0:23:13.320 --> 0:23:16.359 and then what happened with his uh with his record 0:23:16.400 --> 0:23:17.360 after he switched yep. 0:23:17.760 --> 0:23:20.879 So when female first signed with us, he was in 0:23:21.320 --> 0:23:25.080 a different putter and it was really hard to kind 0:23:25.080 --> 0:23:26.040 of get him to make. 0:23:25.880 --> 0:23:27.600 A change or talk about different stuff. 0:23:27.800 --> 0:23:30.880 And I used to tell myself, is like his commitment 0:23:30.920 --> 0:23:33.879 to that putter and his dedication to that is. My 0:23:34.000 --> 0:23:35.680 goal is man, if I can get him into ping, 0:23:36.760 --> 0:23:39.000 I hope he does that for us too. I respect 0:23:39.040 --> 0:23:41.200 what you're doing. We have to earn that from him. 0:23:41.240 --> 0:23:43.080 We have to show him that we've got to make it. 0:23:43.080 --> 0:23:45.240 We have to right back to you. 0:23:45.280 --> 0:23:47.520 Gotta with that trust that we can do stuff. 0:23:47.560 --> 0:23:49.480 So we went into a lab, spent a lot of 0:23:49.520 --> 0:23:52.359 time in the lab, and we basically it came down 0:23:52.440 --> 0:23:55.080 to like, he's like, I cannot play a blade. It's 0:23:55.080 --> 0:23:57.160 way too small, way too thin, and I don't want 0:23:57.160 --> 0:24:00.280 to play a mallet. So we just started talking about 0:24:00.520 --> 0:24:02.840 he liked the look of an answer to but just 0:24:02.960 --> 0:24:05.400 was too small and too light. And then just kind 0:24:05.400 --> 0:24:07.919 of led to, hey, we stretched that out a little bit, 0:24:08.000 --> 0:24:09.679 give you a little bit more weight, a little bit 0:24:09.720 --> 0:24:12.960 more with to it that it would it still have 0:24:13.040 --> 0:24:15.000 a really nice look to an answer too, but the 0:24:15.040 --> 0:24:18.000 weight of a mid mallet or mallet and a little 0:24:18.000 --> 0:24:18.919 bit more forgiveness and. 0:24:20.400 --> 0:24:21.480 Just a little bit bigger. 0:24:21.680 --> 0:24:23.359 And then also we worked on the height of the 0:24:23.359 --> 0:24:25.920 hastle to match his stroke tech for what we saw 0:24:25.960 --> 0:24:28.920 in the lab. So once we got him in there, 0:24:28.960 --> 0:24:32.480 we started seeing numbers that that were connecting with him 0:24:32.520 --> 0:24:34.960 and what he was seeing and feeling. Then from there 0:24:34.960 --> 0:24:37.760 on we we we started rolling and then he went 0:24:37.760 --> 0:24:39.480 out and won three times. 0:24:39.160 --> 0:24:42.760 With that, so right after that, right, but it was 0:24:43.000 --> 0:24:44.240 it was a process, all right. 0:24:44.280 --> 0:24:47.600 And I respect Tony one hundred percent because I feel 0:24:47.600 --> 0:24:49.639 like I have a really good relationship where he's pretty 0:24:49.640 --> 0:24:51.400 honest with me, Like he feels like he can reach 0:24:51.440 --> 0:24:55.240 out if he hadn't wants to try something, so that 0:24:55.240 --> 0:24:57.800 that's that's really nice, especially from a player like that. 0:24:58.200 --> 0:25:02.040 He's such a great guy anyways, but man, he works 0:25:02.080 --> 0:25:04.560 hard on his putting and he's very serious about it. 0:25:04.640 --> 0:25:05.520 They do work hard. 0:25:05.520 --> 0:25:08.280 We talked to Boyd about this too and Tony. You know, 0:25:08.480 --> 0:25:10.840 in the lab we were with Jeff Thomas and developed 0:25:10.840 --> 0:25:14.080 this feature pretty much exclusively for Tony and Boyd, which 0:25:14.119 --> 0:25:16.439 is our live loft and lie and ipiss so you 0:25:16.480 --> 0:25:18.919 can turn this thing on. Because he has such long arms, 0:25:19.359 --> 0:25:21.680 his hands, you know, it doesn't look it doesn't look 0:25:21.720 --> 0:25:24.280 like conventional a lot of times the toe set up 0:25:24.280 --> 0:25:26.159 a little toe kind of sits up. His hands look 0:25:26.200 --> 0:25:28.320 a little low. His forums aren't aligned with the shaft. 0:25:28.320 --> 0:25:30.480 Things of this nature. But we built this feature for 0:25:30.720 --> 0:25:33.480 Live Loft and lie. So him and Boyd could plug 0:25:33.520 --> 0:25:37.320 in their setup position for a lie and shaftleing and 0:25:37.359 --> 0:25:40.080 they could get live bio feedback. And that's right there 0:25:40.080 --> 0:25:42.399 in our ipin, you know, because it kind of the 0:25:42.440 --> 0:25:46.439 marriage of fitting and teaching is so important from a 0:25:46.480 --> 0:25:47.200 putter standpoint. 0:25:47.280 --> 0:25:48.760 Yeah. 0:25:49.480 --> 0:25:52.960 So another quick story with Tony is there was a 0:25:53.240 --> 0:25:55.680 couple of years ago where I think we've all sadden. 0:25:55.760 --> 0:25:58.159 He would take his putter and turn it sideways and 0:25:58.240 --> 0:26:01.560 hit the toe right, make them in tournaments. You would 0:26:01.560 --> 0:26:04.200 see it all the time, and he I remember, I'd 0:26:04.200 --> 0:26:06.400 come home from golf and he'd send me a message saying, Hey, 0:26:06.480 --> 0:26:08.600 how do I get this feel of this? How do 0:26:08.680 --> 0:26:12.280 I get a putter like this? So we started working 0:26:12.320 --> 0:26:15.119 on something to get to get a putter that is 0:26:15.200 --> 0:26:17.879 kind of down the lines of what the feel and 0:26:18.040 --> 0:26:22.200 some of the attributes. He liked about doing that, and 0:26:23.080 --> 0:26:25.600 so we came up with some prototypes and we've worked 0:26:25.640 --> 0:26:27.399 on him. Actually, Tony Feena I was part of the 0:26:27.400 --> 0:26:28.720 patent because some. 0:26:28.640 --> 0:26:30.600 Of the ideas and some of the work that we. 0:26:30.520 --> 0:26:31.760 Did it was his ideas. 0:26:32.000 --> 0:26:35.320 Yeah, He's part of the It's me John A and 0:26:35.359 --> 0:26:40.159 Tony and I think it's really important because that's how 0:26:40.200 --> 0:26:42.440 we learned, that's how we get better to how players, 0:26:42.480 --> 0:26:45.520 and we all are players. We will do the same, 0:26:45.560 --> 0:26:47.960 but that is we we want your input. We want 0:26:48.040 --> 0:26:49.480 to hear from you so that we can make a 0:26:49.520 --> 0:26:52.000 good product for you, but not only you, but for everybody, 0:26:52.080 --> 0:26:53.440 to make really good putters. 0:26:53.720 --> 0:26:56.040 Can we talk about the Easter egg on the putter covers? 0:26:56.320 --> 0:26:57.800 How did that start? Marty showed me this day. 0:26:57.800 --> 0:26:58.080 I didn't. 0:26:58.080 --> 0:26:59.560 I didn't never understood that this was a thing. 0:27:00.160 --> 0:27:04.840 Tour Tour PLDs. Tony Serrano, they got the Serrano pepper? 0:27:05.560 --> 0:27:06.320 When did that start? 0:27:06.560 --> 0:27:11.200 So it goes back to you, bet Corey Bacon, Right, Yeah, 0:27:11.320 --> 0:27:13.439 Corey's like you should put a Serrano pepper on this 0:27:13.440 --> 0:27:16.919 stuff and market that was years ago and then. 0:27:16.880 --> 0:27:18.240 Like a kind of a joke, right, I mean, just 0:27:18.240 --> 0:27:19.119 put it on there for fun. 0:27:19.160 --> 0:27:21.200 It was kind of yeah, of fun. 0:27:21.240 --> 0:27:24.440 And then over the last few years are id guys 0:27:24.440 --> 0:27:28.199 that do some of our head covers have added it 0:27:28.240 --> 0:27:30.840 into the into the designs of it. 0:27:31.320 --> 0:27:32.840 But you kind of got to look for It's. 0:27:32.800 --> 0:27:35.359 Kind of hidden in there, but it's in there, so 0:27:35.400 --> 0:27:38.280 it's kind of just kind of taken off, not taking out, 0:27:38.280 --> 0:27:39.600 but it's kind of developed. 0:27:39.200 --> 0:27:39.960 Its own thing. 0:27:40.440 --> 0:27:42.879 And so now we put a chili pepper on our 0:27:42.920 --> 0:27:46.440 prototypes going on tour, and that only tour players have 0:27:46.520 --> 0:27:49.440 those putters with that, and then once we get into commercialization, 0:27:49.880 --> 0:27:51.240 you wouldn't see it on there butt. 0:27:51.440 --> 0:27:54.199 So they had to personally touch your hands. Basically the. 0:27:55.680 --> 0:27:57.200 Serrano putter for sure. 0:27:57.400 --> 0:27:59.840 Tony, what about uh, what about Victor Hoblin? 0:28:00.080 --> 0:28:03.840 I mean they's been in that sev two obviously having 0:28:03.880 --> 0:28:05.040 a lot of success with us. 0:28:05.080 --> 0:28:06.679 Tell us about your work with Victor? 0:28:06.960 --> 0:28:07.760 Victor is. 0:28:10.200 --> 0:28:13.040 He's he's different than most guys. And I say that 0:28:13.320 --> 0:28:16.240 with all due respect. It was probably two years ago 0:28:16.280 --> 0:28:20.160 at congree. I went up to Victor and I said, hey, 0:28:20.840 --> 0:28:23.160 what are your thoughts on working on a new revision 0:28:23.160 --> 0:28:24.840 of that he had sent me too, which he's playing 0:28:24.840 --> 0:28:28.800 and he's won with all these years. And he's like, well, 0:28:28.840 --> 0:28:31.200 what are you thinking? I go, I don't know. Maybe 0:28:31.200 --> 0:28:33.600 we should start a revision, is it? And I basically said, 0:28:33.640 --> 0:28:35.119 is there anything when you look down this putter that 0:28:35.119 --> 0:28:36.520 you're like, man, if I could change that, if I 0:28:36.520 --> 0:28:40.400 could change this, the littlest thing is a radius anything? 0:28:40.400 --> 0:28:42.800 And he looked at me and he said I wouldn't 0:28:42.840 --> 0:28:45.040 change a thing. He turned around and walked off, and 0:28:45.080 --> 0:28:47.120 I said, hey, Victor, he's turn oud look back, and 0:28:47.160 --> 0:28:50.120 I go, I agree, it's the hard but he he's 0:28:50.160 --> 0:28:52.600 the one guy. He doesn't really tinker a lot with 0:28:52.640 --> 0:28:54.920 his putter. He one times told me, which I think 0:28:55.040 --> 0:28:56.840 essentially goes, the putter. 0:28:56.560 --> 0:28:57.760 Hasn't changed overnight. 0:28:57.800 --> 0:29:00.120 There's something that's in my stroke that I need to 0:29:00.120 --> 0:29:03.480 prove on to get back to where I was. He goes, 0:29:03.600 --> 0:29:06.120 that hasn't changed. Something here has changed. So I think 0:29:06.120 --> 0:29:09.680 that's kind of his philosophy with putting. We've tried a 0:29:09.680 --> 0:29:13.200 few different things, but he always ends up back where 0:29:13.320 --> 0:29:15.800 and we all know he's he grinds like. 0:29:15.800 --> 0:29:18.120 He he works so hard to figure it out. 0:29:18.040 --> 0:29:20.960 So he's good like that. 0:29:21.120 --> 0:29:23.720 To tie it back to waste management week, I played 0:29:23.760 --> 0:29:26.080 with Victor. He actually played with him when you played 0:29:26.200 --> 0:29:26.640 in the Phoenix. 0:29:26.720 --> 0:29:29.360 Oh he got a sponsor exemption on the section. 0:29:29.600 --> 0:29:31.440 Yeah, I mean he turns pro in nineteen, so yeah, 0:29:31.440 --> 0:29:32.680 that career. 0:29:32.720 --> 0:29:35.760 I'm like, I'm paired with Victor Hoblin. I was unbelievable. 0:29:35.760 --> 0:29:38.920 But he was using the same DS seventy two back 0:29:38.960 --> 0:29:41.080 then that he is now. And when we had him 0:29:41.120 --> 0:29:42.920 on the pod, he talked about that. He said, Hey, 0:29:42.960 --> 0:29:45.280 I'm not into the guys switching have a bad putting 0:29:45.360 --> 0:29:46.440 round switching putters. 0:29:46.440 --> 0:29:50.240 He's like, but I mean there's really two avenues, especially 0:29:50.280 --> 0:29:52.760 for pro golfers. It's like you switch a lot or 0:29:52.760 --> 0:29:54.480 you never switch. And I mean you see the guys 0:29:54.480 --> 0:29:56.640 out on tour that have used this. I mean you 0:29:56.800 --> 0:29:58.800 think famously Tiger. I mean, Tiger used the same player 0:29:58.800 --> 0:30:00.680 for how many years? Right, I mean that's the thing 0:30:00.680 --> 0:30:02.640 that you see on one side. And then you'll also 0:30:02.640 --> 0:30:04.160 see guys like I think Lee West would be the 0:30:04.200 --> 0:30:07.280 West tinker, Like he would change putters all the time, right, yeap. 0:30:07.520 --> 0:30:08.120 All the time. 0:30:08.160 --> 0:30:11.560 We went into We've had him in the vault and 0:30:11.800 --> 0:30:13.880 got all the putters out that he's won with, and 0:30:13.880 --> 0:30:15.000 they're like, didn't you. 0:30:14.960 --> 0:30:16.280 Tell me that he was messing around with one one. 0:30:16.520 --> 0:30:17.720 He's like, I need to go back to this, and 0:30:17.760 --> 0:30:18.480 I like, yeah. 0:30:18.320 --> 0:30:18.920 We're in the lab. 0:30:19.000 --> 0:30:21.000 He's like, oh, I'm trying to change my setup to 0:30:21.080 --> 0:30:24.440 back like I did in nineteen ninety eight when I 0:30:24.480 --> 0:30:26.040 was putting like this, And we went and grabbed the 0:30:26.080 --> 0:30:29.000 putter because we the putters in the lab, we matched 0:30:29.000 --> 0:30:32.640 the specs exactly, so it's the same length lying goal 0:30:32.880 --> 0:30:34.640 loft and so we got it out and used as 0:30:34.640 --> 0:30:35.040 a model. 0:30:36.240 --> 0:30:37.680 He's like, Okay, I'm not gonna use a gold one 0:30:37.680 --> 0:30:38.040 on tour. 0:30:39.000 --> 0:30:41.200 Tony just dive a little bit into the importance of 0:30:41.240 --> 0:30:43.320 getting fit for putters, because I feel like this is 0:30:43.360 --> 0:30:46.760 still that world wedges and putters still feel like the 0:30:46.760 --> 0:30:49.239 world that maybe people still are interested in maybe going 0:30:49.240 --> 0:30:50.200 to buying something off the rack. 0:30:50.240 --> 0:30:51.520 How important is it to go get fit. 0:30:51.920 --> 0:30:54.840 So I was listening to you guys' podcast with I 0:30:54.880 --> 0:30:57.640 think it was Corey, Yeah, and you guys were talking about, well, 0:30:57.680 --> 0:31:00.800 the driver's are most important club in your bag, and 0:31:00.840 --> 0:31:08.400 I'm like, I don't think it is. It's but that's 0:31:08.440 --> 0:31:11.080 the one, in my opinion, the one club in your 0:31:11.120 --> 0:31:13.280 bag that is your scoring club, right that you can 0:31:13.280 --> 0:31:14.720 make up strokes with you hit it on everyhole. 0:31:14.800 --> 0:31:14.960 Thing. 0:31:15.160 --> 0:31:18.000 People don't get fit for that, and it's just it's 0:31:18.000 --> 0:31:20.080 something that will Marty and his team and me, and 0:31:20.120 --> 0:31:22.280 we're working really hard on trying to get more people 0:31:22.520 --> 0:31:25.800 to get fit for putters because it's so important. You know, 0:31:26.080 --> 0:31:29.320 between if you're putting with a face bounce putter, but 0:31:29.400 --> 0:31:32.160 you should be in a strong arcuse that's night and day, 0:31:32.320 --> 0:31:34.840 and if we can help get you into a part 0:31:34.840 --> 0:31:37.640 of that matches your stroke, we don't. We're not really 0:31:37.640 --> 0:31:40.960 in the lab or working with players on especially me. 0:31:41.040 --> 0:31:43.200 I'm not out there to give you a putting lesson. 0:31:43.600 --> 0:31:45.280 We're here to get a putter in your hand that 0:31:45.360 --> 0:31:49.360 looks good and that matches your stroke, right, So we 0:31:49.440 --> 0:31:51.800 always tell guys that I'm not here to we want 0:31:51.840 --> 0:31:54.000 to just do your thing and let us get a 0:31:54.000 --> 0:31:56.040 putter in your hands that help your score. 0:31:56.240 --> 0:31:58.680 And it's a confidence thing, at least for me personally, Marty. 0:31:58.680 --> 0:32:00.080 I don't know if you feel the same way, but 0:32:00.720 --> 0:32:03.840 like getting fit for a putter, knowing that the putter 0:32:03.880 --> 0:32:06.720 you're using is the right thing for you, it boosts 0:32:06.760 --> 0:32:09.640 the confidence on the greens because you can't question that club, right. 0:32:09.640 --> 0:32:11.960 I mean, that's you can't question something that has been 0:32:12.360 --> 0:32:15.000 measured and seen in terms of data to make sure 0:32:15.040 --> 0:32:16.480 it's perfect for what you're doing on the greens. 0:32:16.480 --> 0:32:17.480 I mean, I think that's important. 0:32:17.680 --> 0:32:19.840 What I love that what we've done with PLD has 0:32:19.960 --> 0:32:23.480 brought the process that Tony has taken and our reps 0:32:23.480 --> 0:32:26.320 have taken with our tour players to the people because 0:32:26.360 --> 0:32:29.000 now you can get fit for We fit everyone with 0:32:29.080 --> 0:32:32.160 iping same tool we use as the tour players. Uh, 0:32:32.200 --> 0:32:35.200 and you can customize sightlines you use, align the ball 0:32:35.280 --> 0:32:37.960 or not. Like all we've talked to all these players 0:32:37.960 --> 0:32:40.480 over the last year, shame, and they're all so different 0:32:40.520 --> 0:32:43.280 in what they do with their putting. We can embrace 0:32:43.320 --> 0:32:46.400 that in the PLD process, Tony. Part of the PLD 0:32:46.520 --> 0:32:49.520 process is fitting for the sound and feel. So tell 0:32:49.600 --> 0:32:53.680 us about our different milling patterns that you've you've developed, 0:32:53.760 --> 0:32:56.040 and again this is all born from working with like 0:32:56.280 --> 0:32:59.080 Bubba was probably the first one where we really dialed 0:32:59.080 --> 0:33:01.480 it in and it's we used. 0:33:01.320 --> 0:33:04.520 To Bubby used to be very specific about the million 0:33:04.560 --> 0:33:05.960 on his face and we've always called. 0:33:05.840 --> 0:33:07.160 It Bubba groove. That's just what we do. 0:33:07.800 --> 0:33:10.680 Is that deeper or is that deeper shallow shallow? 0:33:10.760 --> 0:33:13.960 Yeah, But even a step further back is we use 0:33:14.880 --> 0:33:16.720 in the lab we use different materials. We use a 0:33:16.760 --> 0:33:19.840 carbon still and the stainless still because in doing some 0:33:19.920 --> 0:33:22.000 of this stuff early on, we found that some players 0:33:22.040 --> 0:33:24.040 could tell the difference between a carbon steel and a 0:33:24.080 --> 0:33:28.160 stainless still, the carbon being just slightly softer and maybe 0:33:28.160 --> 0:33:31.200 not as loud and some guys like that and some 0:33:31.240 --> 0:33:33.000 guys like a little bit more feedback, a little bit 0:33:33.000 --> 0:33:35.880 more sound. So along with that, then we go into 0:33:36.200 --> 0:33:39.480 we do three different group patterns on the face. One 0:33:39.520 --> 0:33:42.560 is smooth and one is our shallow, one is our deep, 0:33:42.600 --> 0:33:44.640 and all of them have a little bit different ball speed, 0:33:44.920 --> 0:33:46.800 and all of them have a little bit different sound 0:33:47.000 --> 0:33:47.520 and a little. 0:33:47.360 --> 0:33:48.040 Bit different feel. 0:33:48.080 --> 0:33:51.200 The deeper the groove or the pattern is on your face, 0:33:51.240 --> 0:33:54.320 the softer it is, and it takes a little bit 0:33:54.360 --> 0:33:55.440 off of the sound. 0:33:55.480 --> 0:33:59.080 Also, what's your favorite club you've ever designed? If you 0:33:59.080 --> 0:34:01.920 have one that comes to mind of any club, any club, 0:34:02.240 --> 0:34:04.320 any club you've designed you put your hands on. 0:34:04.520 --> 0:34:06.240 Let me throw this out there to because we didn't 0:34:06.240 --> 0:34:08.560 get it with the intro. But Tony also is the 0:34:08.640 --> 0:34:12.440 chief designer of the Rapture Driver, right yep. 0:34:12.719 --> 0:34:14.799 So I assume that's high on the list, very high 0:34:14.920 --> 0:34:16.960 in the rap number one two right. 0:34:17.000 --> 0:34:18.600 Rapture and Rapture V two. 0:34:18.600 --> 0:34:21.000 I did design both of those, but yeah, those are 0:34:21.120 --> 0:34:22.919 very high and even back to some of the early 0:34:22.920 --> 0:34:26.240 stuff when we first went into Titanium and the Tye side, 0:34:26.320 --> 0:34:32.000 Tysi Tech. But it's they're all good man. I just 0:34:32.640 --> 0:34:35.279 love this is this is really cool working with these 0:34:35.320 --> 0:34:39.240 players and working on product for Ping, But yeah, Rapture 0:34:39.239 --> 0:34:40.480 would probably be pretty high up there. 0:34:40.840 --> 0:34:43.680 What does it feel for you personally when you know 0:34:43.800 --> 0:34:45.759 how many hours you put in with somebody like Victor 0:34:45.920 --> 0:34:48.880 or somebody like Tony and you're watching on Sunday and 0:34:49.000 --> 0:34:50.520 you see him make a big twelve foot or on 0:34:50.760 --> 0:34:53.280 the sixteenth green, Like, what does that do for you personally? 0:34:53.640 --> 0:34:57.000 In this journey you've been on with Ping, pull. 0:34:56.880 --> 0:34:59.040 The hamstring jumping, kidding. 0:35:00.680 --> 0:35:04.200 Warm up about six weeks with injury. 0:35:04.600 --> 0:35:09.839 I just it feels great, right, like you've helped this guy. 0:35:09.920 --> 0:35:12.000 I mean, he's doing the work, he's he's doing all 0:35:12.080 --> 0:35:12.759 this stuff out there. 0:35:12.800 --> 0:35:16.319 But to know that you've contributed, our team has contributed. 0:35:16.200 --> 0:35:18.600 And this is all good for Ping in that we 0:35:18.719 --> 0:35:21.560 have a product, a player out there that's winning. It 0:35:21.640 --> 0:35:23.160 looks good for us. It looks good for all of 0:35:23.239 --> 0:35:26.040 us and our team because all of us work really 0:35:26.040 --> 0:35:28.239 hard on this PUDIC and to see a win, it's 0:35:28.360 --> 0:35:30.000 just it's just really good feeling for. 0:35:30.040 --> 0:35:30.400 All of us. 0:35:30.800 --> 0:35:33.839 Tony talk talk a little bit about our machine shop 0:35:33.920 --> 0:35:37.359 and our machinists, Like what is what is a day 0:35:37.440 --> 0:35:40.120 in the life of one of our machinists at Ping, 0:35:40.440 --> 0:35:42.959 you know, and what are the quality you talked about 0:35:43.040 --> 0:35:46.520 Carson giving everybody, Hey, you can stop the line right, 0:35:46.600 --> 0:35:49.560 and that's still in our culture today. Talk talk about 0:35:49.600 --> 0:35:52.000 a day in the life of one of our machinists 0:35:52.040 --> 0:35:53.960 at Ping was working on our PLDs. 0:35:54.120 --> 0:35:56.080 So one of the things when we first started working 0:35:56.120 --> 0:35:58.280 in the shop is a little bit of a culture 0:35:58.400 --> 0:36:01.919 change where a machine when they're down there, they're trying 0:36:01.960 --> 0:36:05.360 to get stuff out quick and fast, and you know, 0:36:05.480 --> 0:36:07.480 try and get stuff to market as quick as you cancel. 0:36:07.800 --> 0:36:09.759 It took a little while to get guys to say, hey, 0:36:09.840 --> 0:36:12.200 slow down. What's really important here is that we get 0:36:12.239 --> 0:36:14.840 the best looking putters, the best milk putters in golf. 0:36:15.320 --> 0:36:17.280 And a lot of the guys are down there aren't golfers, 0:36:17.320 --> 0:36:19.520 So you have to kind of just kind of set 0:36:19.640 --> 0:36:21.640 up the expectation of what's going out there, what people 0:36:21.640 --> 0:36:25.320 are looking at, why this is so important, and to 0:36:25.400 --> 0:36:29.520 get those guys to really focus on the different details, 0:36:30.560 --> 0:36:33.759 like you said, the speed, the step over on the 0:36:33.840 --> 0:36:37.160 different cuts, the different surfaces where everything kind of lines up. 0:36:37.719 --> 0:36:39.920 And we've even taken the guys, hey, let's go outside. 0:36:39.920 --> 0:36:41.800 I want to show you why it's important when the 0:36:41.880 --> 0:36:44.400 sun hits this, this is what a player's see. This 0:36:44.560 --> 0:36:48.920 is what's important. And they're just like, well, I'm not 0:36:49.000 --> 0:36:52.719 a golfer, but right now I get it. So it's 0:36:53.120 --> 0:36:54.880 we have a few guys down there right now that 0:36:55.080 --> 0:36:58.200 that's we joke at work. They put their pod hat 0:36:58.280 --> 0:36:59.719 when they come into work every day and that's all 0:36:59.719 --> 0:37:01.880 they and they take a lot of parde in that. 0:37:02.000 --> 0:37:03.800 Now when we get a win on a Sunday or 0:37:03.840 --> 0:37:05.040 something like, I'll get a text. 0:37:05.280 --> 0:37:07.200 Was that our guy? It's our guy, And they're just like, yeah, 0:37:07.239 --> 0:37:07.480 love it. 0:37:07.600 --> 0:37:08.000 I love it. 0:37:08.160 --> 0:37:11.279 So they they are all in and they and. 0:37:11.400 --> 0:37:16.400 I do my best to keep them motivated and know 0:37:16.560 --> 0:37:18.960 that we are making the best putters in golf. We 0:37:19.040 --> 0:37:21.000 are making the best milk putters in golf. And it's 0:37:21.040 --> 0:37:23.400 because of you. It's because the time you guys put in, 0:37:23.800 --> 0:37:26.680 the work, you put in the saturdays we come in. Yeah, 0:37:26.800 --> 0:37:29.640 it's all that and it and everybody's all in it 0:37:29.719 --> 0:37:32.080 for the same reason to get the best putters out 0:37:32.120 --> 0:37:33.360 there and hopefully get some wins and. 0:37:34.440 --> 0:37:34.960 Go from there. 0:37:35.360 --> 0:37:36.480 Tony, you bring up a good point. 0:37:36.520 --> 0:37:39.480 I think the classic machine is training by default is 0:37:39.560 --> 0:37:43.840 how do you optimize for speed, costs, productivity through. 0:37:43.680 --> 0:37:45.560 Put and you have to kind of slow them down. 0:37:45.920 --> 0:37:47.239 You're like, hey, we can we. 0:37:47.320 --> 0:37:49.719 Can choose the tool path that's going to take twenty 0:37:49.800 --> 0:37:52.000 minutes longer for this for the top of this putter, 0:37:52.080 --> 0:37:55.000 we can use a more expensive cutter, right, you. 0:37:55.080 --> 0:37:58.080 Can use you could change the cutter out every putter 0:37:58.120 --> 0:38:01.359 if you have to. Yeah, and it's hard to get 0:38:01.440 --> 0:38:03.960 that culture like, but that cutter's still good. 0:38:04.040 --> 0:38:04.400 No, it's not. 0:38:04.560 --> 0:38:07.600 Look it's starting to you know, that surface isn't what 0:38:07.680 --> 0:38:08.080 it should be. 0:38:08.320 --> 0:38:11.879 I mean that's I mean in in today's age, that's 0:38:12.080 --> 0:38:14.360 not the philosophy of a lot of companies. I mean 0:38:15.239 --> 0:38:16.920 a lot of companies is like, let's turn out as 0:38:16.960 --> 0:38:18.480 much as we can, as fast as we can, as 0:38:18.560 --> 0:38:20.439 cheap as we can, and to be a place where 0:38:20.480 --> 0:38:24.040 you're comfortable saying take a little bit longer. Let's change 0:38:24.080 --> 0:38:25.360 this out at my cost a little bit more of 0:38:25.480 --> 0:38:26.959 that's okay. I mean that's got to make you feel 0:38:26.960 --> 0:38:27.920 great greats as well. 0:38:28.080 --> 0:38:30.080 And I think that's our culture at Ping as we've 0:38:30.160 --> 0:38:32.600 been taught and brought up there, is hey, make the 0:38:32.680 --> 0:38:35.200 best product. We'll figure this stuff out. Let's just make 0:38:35.239 --> 0:38:37.040 sure we got a really good product and get it 0:38:37.120 --> 0:38:38.759 out and then we'll figure out the rest. 0:38:38.960 --> 0:38:41.640 I got it. I got when PLD came out, I 0:38:41.719 --> 0:38:43.480 got an answer. I loved it. 0:38:43.680 --> 0:38:46.000 It was it was smooth faced, I got grooves put 0:38:46.040 --> 0:38:47.600 on on the back end. Jeff did that for me 0:38:48.120 --> 0:38:50.200 and it was patina. And it's just been down the 0:38:50.280 --> 0:38:52.800 line and uh, they're just great. I mean, the putters 0:38:52.800 --> 0:38:54.719 are beautiful, and I'm with you. I think they're the 0:38:54.760 --> 0:38:56.680 best in golf. So you and your team are doing 0:38:56.719 --> 0:38:57.200 a great job. 0:38:57.960 --> 0:38:58.680 So I appreciate that. 0:38:59.120 --> 0:38:59.400 Tony. 0:38:59.440 --> 0:39:01.960 Talk a little bit about our different finishes that we offer, yes, 0:39:02.680 --> 0:39:04.240 and what do they do to the look. 0:39:04.040 --> 0:39:04.560 Of the putter? 0:39:04.880 --> 0:39:05.040 You know? 0:39:05.239 --> 0:39:06.480 So we do. 0:39:06.640 --> 0:39:10.719 We offer five different finishes right now. We do the 0:39:10.800 --> 0:39:13.640 stainless steel, we offer a satin finish, and then we 0:39:14.200 --> 0:39:17.279 the carbon still. We do a patina, we do at black, 0:39:17.480 --> 0:39:20.360 we do an oyster, and we do a glazed donut. 0:39:20.560 --> 0:39:22.640 So those are five different. 0:39:23.760 --> 0:39:24.480 You got to come see. 0:39:24.719 --> 0:39:27.320 I see it is this new know about it. 0:39:27.640 --> 0:39:30.640 It's fairly new, and I would I would mention back 0:39:30.680 --> 0:39:31.280 to going. 0:39:31.120 --> 0:39:33.200 To a donut, but is it it's more of a 0:39:33.560 --> 0:39:36.000 golden in It's mysterious. 0:39:37.200 --> 0:39:37.800 I'm into it. 0:39:38.000 --> 0:39:39.319 It's no what a donut. 0:39:41.160 --> 0:39:43.040 Chili pepper and a donut after this podcast? 0:39:43.360 --> 0:39:45.520 But see, and part of that goes back to working 0:39:45.560 --> 0:39:49.400 with guys in our shop. Is the patina was our 0:39:49.480 --> 0:39:51.960 guys in our shop, just trying different stuff. 0:39:51.920 --> 0:39:54.240 To come up with a new Is it like mixing? 0:39:54.400 --> 0:39:54.920 What is it like? 0:39:54.960 --> 0:39:57.200 I mean this is from an idiot's perspective, like mixing paint, 0:39:57.239 --> 0:39:58.440 Like what are you doing to come up with that? 0:39:58.600 --> 0:40:01.200 It's it's quite a long prot but basically you heat 0:40:01.239 --> 0:40:03.279 it up with a torch, okay, and you're putting a 0:40:03.360 --> 0:40:05.160 chemical on it, and then. 0:40:05.160 --> 0:40:06.360 You see and how it dries. 0:40:06.440 --> 0:40:09.160 Basically see how it dries, and then you some still 0:40:09.200 --> 0:40:10.880 wool and a lot of times you got to redo it. 0:40:10.960 --> 0:40:13.680 But but there's a lot of process control, a lot 0:40:13.680 --> 0:40:14.840 it's a lot of handwork, a. 0:40:14.880 --> 0:40:18.200 Lot of handwork, and we continue to try and be 0:40:18.320 --> 0:40:21.120 more efficient at that and make it a faster process. 0:40:21.200 --> 0:40:24.880 But that finish it is what it is because it 0:40:25.000 --> 0:40:28.520 takes the time, the handwork and steal wool and working 0:40:28.680 --> 0:40:29.800 every surface to get. 0:40:29.680 --> 0:40:30.480 It to look just right. 0:40:30.520 --> 0:40:32.399 And a lot of times you'll get downe with a putter, 0:40:32.440 --> 0:40:34.879 and there's just some part of the putter didn't quite 0:40:34.920 --> 0:40:37.040 get hot enough, so it doesn't match the rest of it. 0:40:37.200 --> 0:40:38.880 So you go back and you blast it and you 0:40:38.960 --> 0:40:41.080 start over to you get it right. That's where our 0:40:41.160 --> 0:40:44.600 guys I think it's just like they're they're so smart 0:40:44.600 --> 0:40:46.680 and they have so many good ideas, and then just 0:40:47.040 --> 0:40:48.200 working with them and listening to. 0:40:48.280 --> 0:40:51.040 Them that we can come up with stuff thirty six 0:40:51.120 --> 0:40:53.640 years yes, paying just and you're gonna keep rocking and rolling. 0:40:53.719 --> 0:40:53.879 Yep. 0:40:54.239 --> 0:40:56.120 Well, we appreciate everything you do. We appreciate you taking 0:40:56.160 --> 0:40:57.880 some time to chat with us. I appreciate you have 0:40:57.960 --> 0:41:00.680 the PLD line and Marty talking about about it yesterday. 0:41:00.800 --> 0:41:02.759 I mean it is it's a game changer. I mean 0:41:02.840 --> 0:41:04.800 not just for putters, but for ping in general. I 0:41:04.880 --> 0:41:07.759 mean having this line and being able to look down 0:41:07.800 --> 0:41:08.920 at something that you're that competent. 0:41:09.080 --> 0:41:11.520 Yeah, I mean it's ping is that we've always been 0:41:11.640 --> 0:41:15.600 there on the principles, but you know now it's also you. 0:41:15.840 --> 0:41:17.480 You look down to your putter and you could you 0:41:17.640 --> 0:41:20.480 fall in love with it because all these nuanced details 0:41:20.560 --> 0:41:22.600 and and everything that Tony's put into it. 0:41:22.680 --> 0:41:23.799 See, it's been great having you. 0:41:23.840 --> 0:41:25.799 On thank you, appreciate Tony the rock Star. 0:41:25.960 --> 0:41:27.520 This is the Ping Proving Rouse Podcast.