Speaker 1: The guys from Ping.
Speaker 2: They've kind of showed me how much the equipment matters.
Speaker 2: I just love that I can hit any shot I
Speaker 2: kind of want.
Speaker 3: We're gonna be able to tell some fun stories about
Speaker 3: what goes on here to help golfers play better golf.
Speaker 4: Welcome back to the Ping proven Grounds Podcast. I'm Shane
Speaker 4: Bac and Marty Jertson with me. Marty, we're at Putting World. Yeah,
Speaker 4: we're in Scottsdale, which means it's WM Phoenix Open week.
Speaker 3: This week is super fun shame because this place is buzzing.
Speaker 3: We're at the tournament today and it's just like.
Speaker 5: A it's it's a who's who.
Speaker 3: Like it's like it's one of those weeks where you
Speaker 3: know people are gonna be texting you, calling you, Hey,
Speaker 3: I'm at the tournament.
Speaker 1: Can I get tickets?
Speaker 5: Can I come buy the office? Can I get some tickets?
Speaker 2: Any extra tickets floating?
Speaker 4: Before we get to our guest, I wanted to ask
Speaker 4: you about your experience playing in the Phoenix Open.
Speaker 3: You've played in one or I played in one in
Speaker 3: twenty twenty.
Speaker 2: Okay, can you tell about the experience doing that?
Speaker 5: Uh?
Speaker 3: It was it was kind of like my life's dream
Speaker 3: to play in the Phoenix Open because I grew up
Speaker 3: as a standard bearer, so I was eight nine, ten
Speaker 3: years old carrying the sign. I grew up in a
Speaker 3: small town globe, not too far from where Tony grew up,
Speaker 3: and you know, it was such a journey at that time.
Speaker 3: It was like four hours to get here, wake up
Speaker 3: at four in the morning, standard Bear, and I remember
Speaker 3: bringing home, bringing back to school the next day, autographs
Speaker 3: Davis loved the third and John Daily and Bobby Clampett
Speaker 3: or what have you, and just growing up being a
Speaker 3: standard bearer. Then it was like, Okay, I want to
Speaker 3: play in this someday, and I never thought I would
Speaker 3: be able to. But twenty twenty was a dream because
Speaker 3: my kids were there, and I love that my kids
Speaker 3: could go in.
Speaker 5: When you play.
Speaker 3: People might not know this, but when you get to sixteen,
Speaker 3: you're like, how's my family gonna like get in there
Speaker 3: and see me? Well, they take care of your family.
Speaker 3: You have ass right, you have a person there that's
Speaker 3: like okay, family, boom, We'll get you right into the
Speaker 3: front spot. They watch I hit beautiful shots on sixteen.
Speaker 3: Go over, say hi to my family that I'll never forget.
Speaker 2: Cheers or boosts. You said, beautiful shots. What was it like?
Speaker 5: I had cheers?
Speaker 3: I hit my both both rounds didn't make the cup,
Speaker 3: but in both rounds I hit awesome shots. Kevin Stadler
Speaker 3: told me, hey, whatever you do on sixteen to hit
Speaker 3: one less club, okay, puffed will be juiced. And he
Speaker 3: was absolutely right. It was like, you know, one sixty
Speaker 3: to the whole normally be a nine iron pitching wedge
Speaker 3: all day.
Speaker 5: Crush it right at the flag. It was cheers. It
Speaker 5: was cheers.
Speaker 4: So Marty having a legendary moment. We got a legend
Speaker 4: with us today. I want you to introduce him. I
Speaker 4: know you know him very very well, and you've worked
Speaker 4: closely with him for what I'm hearing is thirty plus
Speaker 4: years at ping.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Tony Serrano, who's one of my mentors at Ping,
Speaker 3: and I've learned a ton from Tony and it's awesome
Speaker 3: to have him on the podcast. He has poured his
Speaker 3: in his most recent part of his career at Ping,
Speaker 3: has poured his blood, sweat and tears into our Putter family,
Speaker 3: which we're going to talk about. But what's fun about
Speaker 3: Tony is he's worked with the Solheim family over all
Speaker 3: three generations, so that's yeah, yes, exactly going on the
Speaker 3: fourth now fourth generation, So Tony, I think I want
Speaker 3: to kick that off and ask you what it was like,
Speaker 3: because when I started paying, Carson had already passed and
Speaker 3: you would personally work with Carson and then his son
Speaker 3: John A. And now John K. Now the fourth generation.
Speaker 3: So what has that journey been like?
Speaker 6: It's been amazing, And first of all, thank you for
Speaker 6: having me. But yeah, when I first started, Carson was
Speaker 6: very involved in engineering and everything in the plant, and
Speaker 6: just kind of watching him and the things that he
Speaker 6: really focused on the details and some of the stuff
Speaker 6: that he was showing everybody and teaching everybody from the
Speaker 6: engineers all the way down to the people on the
Speaker 6: line and.
Speaker 1: Production that.
Speaker 6: The details really matter and that even a person on
Speaker 6: the line, if there's something you're not comfortable with, you
Speaker 6: can stop it and then just make sure we're doing
Speaker 6: the right thing. As always, what's kind of his biggest message,
Speaker 6: make sure we're doing the right thing.
Speaker 4: If you don't mind going back, you know, three and
Speaker 4: a half decades or so when you started to paying,
Speaker 4: were you a golfer, how did you kind of get
Speaker 4: involved in this great company and kind of how did
Speaker 4: you first start at Ping?
Speaker 2: What was your first gig?
Speaker 1: So I came down on a tour.
Speaker 6: I went to school more than Arizonia University and it
Speaker 6: came down on a tour to tour the machine shop. And
Speaker 6: at the time, in the late eighties, our machine shop
Speaker 6: at Ping was one of the more higher technology machines
Speaker 6: and stuff. C and See Carson was very always looking
Speaker 6: to how we could get better. So we had some
Speaker 6: of the first C and C's in the valley We're
Speaker 6: in our shop.
Speaker 1: So we went down as a group to see that.
Speaker 1: And while I was down there, I just asked.
Speaker 6: Hey, do you guys do internships? And they were kind
Speaker 6: of like, well, what's that? So long storyship? I did
Speaker 6: an internship and then where I went into full time.
Speaker 2: Were you a golfer?
Speaker 1: I was not.
Speaker 6: I mean I dabbled a little bit down in our
Speaker 6: kind of our hometowns, but not.
Speaker 1: Really not really.
Speaker 4: And Kit notes, who was here a bit ago. It
Speaker 4: was kind of digging into your chip and stuff like that.
Speaker 4: Are you a golfer now?
Speaker 5: I am?
Speaker 2: Okay? And how is the golf game?
Speaker 1: It's I wish it was better.
Speaker 6: I'm gonna I kind of hover between eight and nine
Speaker 6: but want to be five.
Speaker 1: But well, you know, well, it's it's I love it.
Speaker 2: It's a tough world to live it. I mean you
Speaker 2: got a yeah, look around playing a tour events.
Speaker 4: And play a major championships. I feel intimidated showing up
Speaker 4: as well. I had to play this guy a match yesterday.
Speaker 1: It was tough.
Speaker 6: Our whole group of engineers from Corey and Marty and
Speaker 6: all these guys are so good. So always we always
Speaker 6: joke around, Hey, make sure you guys are developing product
Speaker 6: for an eight and nine hand, not just a scratch.
Speaker 3: But you put like a tour player tying well, I mean,
Speaker 3: come on, he can roll the rock.
Speaker 2: That's where that's where you can make up the shots. Yeah.
Speaker 4: So when you got into into the golf, into ping,
Speaker 4: when you got into kind of building golf clubs and
Speaker 4: working in that world, where did you start in terms
Speaker 4: of what golf clubs you started on and how did
Speaker 4: you get into putters.
Speaker 1: So my very first project was the LA bag stands. Okay,
Speaker 1: when we did the.
Speaker 6: La bags back when we first started doing La bags
Speaker 6: back in the late eighties. So I worked on that
Speaker 6: and was work close with Johnny on that. That was
Speaker 6: a big project for him, and then I went into.
Speaker 1: Working on the woodwoods. So the first woodward.
Speaker 6: I worked on was the zing woodwoods, and I worked
Speaker 6: both with Carson and Johnny on that, and they both
Speaker 6: had kind of differing opinions on how we should do it.
Speaker 6: But it was a great experience to hear from both
Speaker 6: these guys and what and they both aligned on what
Speaker 6: was very important, maybe just different ways of doing it.
Speaker 2: Which which did you go with? Do you feel like
Speaker 2: the end of today, who won that battle?
Speaker 1: It was actually I have a quick story.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, for sure's it's a podcast.
Speaker 1: We were working on woodwoods at the times.
Speaker 6: We just at the time we had the itu woods
Speaker 6: out there and the itues were you looked at the
Speaker 6: soaplate they had kind of had a half circle on
Speaker 6: a flat and then screw so it was locked in
Speaker 6: like a puzzle piece. So Johnny and I were working
Speaker 6: on soap plates that did not have that, and we
Speaker 6: just added a screw and Carston. John would tell me,
Speaker 6: We'll go show my dad, and I'd go show his
Speaker 6: dad and his dad would say, quit working on that.
Speaker 1: We're not doing that. I go back to John and
Speaker 1: John goes, We're fine, just keep doing it.
Speaker 2: So I mean, how stressed here here?
Speaker 1: You're yeah, I'm like twenty three. I'm like, I don't
Speaker 1: know what's going on here.
Speaker 6: So then one day I went to Carston and this
Speaker 6: had gone on for a while and Carson didn't say
Speaker 6: a word to me, and he says, follow me, and
Speaker 6: we walked across the street to uh it's twenty first Avenue,
Speaker 6: which is now closed off. It's Carston Way, but at
Speaker 6: the time it was a public street, so cars are
Speaker 6: going through there.
Speaker 1: Whatever.
Speaker 6: So he walks walks me out into this road and
Speaker 6: Carston's you know, he's up there in age still. And
Speaker 6: he walks up to the curb of the street and
Speaker 6: he just starts swinging this wood as hard as he
Speaker 6: could against the curb.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, oh my gosh, what is going on here?
Speaker 6: And he's swinging as hard as he can and finally
Speaker 6: the soul plate falls off and it's rolling down the street.
Speaker 1: So I go pick up the soul plate. I come
Speaker 1: back to Carson.
Speaker 6: I'm like here, and he goes, let me see that,
Speaker 6: and I said okay, and he looks at the soap
Speaker 6: plate and he goes this, this is good.
Speaker 1: I go, how's that good? It just flew off, he said.
Speaker 6: The soul plate or the lamban ins from the wood
Speaker 6: were stuck on the soap plate so still, so the
Speaker 6: glue did not fail, the lambine failed in the wood.
Speaker 1: So he was okay with it. And then from there
Speaker 1: on that we were good to go.
Speaker 5: You were smooth.
Speaker 6: But tell I tell some of the younger guys back
Speaker 6: in the day, that's how we did destructive testing.
Speaker 1: Carson would go hit it on.
Speaker 6: The streets going by and he's swinging as hard as
Speaker 6: he can. I'm like, what's going on here? But that's
Speaker 6: kind of how Carson did it. It was kind of down
Speaker 6: to just the very basics, right, and and that was
Speaker 6: his way. And I think he went over to kind
Speaker 6: of show me and show I don't know about John,
Speaker 6: but hey, this if they can withstand this, it was
Speaker 6: a learning moment for me.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 6: He was worried about the POxy not holding you know,
Speaker 6: we didn't have the mechanical lock anymore, and that we
Speaker 6: showed him that the it did hold up. The wood
Speaker 6: failed and we've been doing woodwoods four years and they
Speaker 6: never failed, So he was okay with that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, I've also heard you worked on the la
Speaker 3: you know around the office. We'll take a bag and
Speaker 3: throw it yep and go boom and then make sure
Speaker 3: it can land and stand and not break.
Speaker 4: So yeah, yeah, that's pretty that party. That's like old
Speaker 4: school team. They do it a little different. Now, I
Speaker 4: know there's a there's a machine that literally picks the
Speaker 4: bags up and sets them down.
Speaker 2: Now, but yeah, the old schools, you hit the club
Speaker 2: against the curve of throw the back.
Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3: So, Tony, we worked on bags, You worked on wood woods,
Speaker 3: and then what was the transition.
Speaker 5: So to next for you?
Speaker 6: Yeah, so I worked on the like I said, the
Speaker 6: zing woods, and I went into the ice I woodwoods.
Speaker 6: I worked on the Tysi tys I tech rapture rapture be.
Speaker 4: By the way, that's close to my heart because as
Speaker 4: the junior golfer, that was when I got into ping.
Speaker 2: Was when the that was the driver that you know
Speaker 2: everybody had junior golf. I had two of them.
Speaker 4: Yeah, somebody tried and locally try to change the shaft
Speaker 4: out for me and screwed it up, because remember you
Speaker 4: had to take it to like a professional. But I
Speaker 4: mean that was my first I believe that was really
Speaker 4: my first introduction.
Speaker 1: To pay and that was our first titanium woods.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 6: So I worked on the fairy woods and Dan Kupka
Speaker 6: who was our lead design engineer there and he worked
Speaker 6: on the driver stuff, but we did Tye Sithe tys
Speaker 6: I Tech and then into the Rapture stuff, and then
Speaker 6: I think you came in on some of the Raptor stuff.
Speaker 2: And your post Rapture is that you Marty?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Right at the Raptor I Will designed the Raptor hybrid. Well,
Speaker 3: I was following Tony's lead on the driver. You know,
Speaker 3: we were tying the whole family together, right.
Speaker 4: So so how how how instrumental was he in your career?
Speaker 4: You know, like you're coming up and he's obviously established
Speaker 4: at this point at ping, Like are you bouncing ideas
Speaker 4: off of him?
Speaker 2: Is he kind of your carston on a way?
Speaker 4: Is in in like how you ask questions and go
Speaker 4: through those processes.
Speaker 5: Yeah? I would say a little bit of both.
Speaker 3: Like, you know, the Driver we've talked a lot about
Speaker 3: and Tony was the lead designer. I mean he's touched
Speaker 3: a lot of products that a lot of people have
Speaker 3: tyas I Tyasi Tech fairy woulds right titanium with the
Speaker 3: with the zirconium soul plate then exactly, So Tony leading
Speaker 3: the raptured driver, it was like the driver kind of
Speaker 3: sets the tone for the whole frightly. So that's really
Speaker 3: where we first started working together. But yeah, Tony's been
Speaker 3: a great mentor to me and a lot of our
Speaker 3: junior our engineers, coming up on all the nuance like
Speaker 3: how do you understand the core principles because he's worked
Speaker 3: with Carston and John for so long, how do you
Speaker 3: instill all those principles into your day to day decision making?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 3: And I think that's what Tony has been great at
Speaker 3: with with the rest of the engineering group.
Speaker 4: Loves to teach Tony how is Marty at a young age?
Speaker 4: Because you know, like you see these young prodigy golfers
Speaker 4: and you go, oh Man Lori Mcrroy, Victor Hovem, like
Speaker 4: these guys are great at a young age. How was
Speaker 4: Marty as a youngster?
Speaker 6: I remember the day that Marty was hired and we
Speaker 6: went out and we talked to him out at Moon
Speaker 6: Valley one day, a group of us went out and
Speaker 6: talked to and Marty had a crew cut and he
Speaker 6: was all business man, and he when he came in,
Speaker 6: he was down in manufacturing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so Marty's been on.
Speaker 6: The floor working on equipment, working with people, learning how
Speaker 6: the process works. And then you could just see Marty
Speaker 6: kind of grow from there and then take that what
Speaker 6: he learned with work with people on the floor, and
Speaker 6: then with the manufacturing team, and then taking that and
Speaker 6: when he got into design and helping out, it just
Speaker 6: kind of flowed together.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And that's what I've loved about Tony's journey is
Speaker 3: that he's still today now working on putters, which we'll
Speaker 3: get to, is working across the entire spectrum.
Speaker 5: And that's that's what we both love about.
Speaker 3: Paying You get your hands dirty down there in manufacturing,
Speaker 3: like like making the action whole product all you know,
Speaker 3: then all the way up to designing it and doing
Speaker 3: what we're here doing. Everyone enjoying the fruits of our labor.
Speaker 3: There is super fun. And even to John Solheim's credit,
Speaker 3: right when we were during COVID, when we were all
Speaker 3: all of us office workers are down there building product.
Speaker 5: John A.
Speaker 3: Solheim is down there working shifts on Saturday mornings. Everyone's
Speaker 3: got their face coverings on during COVID and people didn't
Speaker 3: know it was him. Right, He's down there putting his
Speaker 3: time in and that is incredible. You you still do
Speaker 3: that to this day, which I have a lot of
Speaker 3: respect for Tony on.
Speaker 6: And that's and for John john A to do that,
Speaker 6: and that's kind of his style, right. He doesn't want
Speaker 6: to make a big deal about it. He doesn't want people.
Speaker 6: He just wants to if you see him, find but
Speaker 6: that's not his purpose to go and say, hey, look
Speaker 6: at me, I'm down here. He actually is doing it
Speaker 6: just to help the company.
Speaker 4: So let's transition to PLD, you know, because I mean
Speaker 4: that goes back to twenty sixteen working with tour players.
Speaker 4: How did that kind of idea come about? And how
Speaker 4: is that process like to basically come up with this
Speaker 4: new line of putters for Ping.
Speaker 6: Yeah, back then Chance Cosby was running our tour department
Speaker 6: and then our VP of Engineering and me we went
Speaker 6: and talked to Chance or Chance came to us and
Speaker 6: basically was saying, hey, we need to up our game
Speaker 6: in putters. We need to do more because there's competitors
Speaker 6: out there and other people that are doing mild putters
Speaker 6: and doing a lot of different stuff. And so Paul Wood,
Speaker 6: our VP of engineering, says, Okay, this is this is what.
Speaker 1: You're gonna do.
Speaker 6: You need to go out and start figuring out how
Speaker 6: to do this. So twenty sixteen seventeen started going out
Speaker 6: on tour and talking with players and trying to just
Speaker 6: kind of fill it.
Speaker 1: Out to see what they're looking for, what they need.
Speaker 4: And how you know, how are you starting those conversations
Speaker 4: like are you going up to a Bubba Watson and
Speaker 4: you're saying, hey, we're thinking about doing this at Ping,
Speaker 4: We're going to be doing this at Ping? Or were
Speaker 4: you just kind of seeing what their thoughts were on
Speaker 4: the actual putter line that existed.
Speaker 6: I would say a lot of the First of all,
Speaker 6: I was very so it's tough for me to go
Speaker 6: It's like Lee Westwood and Louis and Bubba and these
Speaker 6: guys and and just start kicking this on this conversation up.
Speaker 6: But our tour reps, Christian Pagne at the time and
Speaker 6: Ko were very helpful with that. Right they brought they
Speaker 6: brought it in. They kind of tee it up for
Speaker 6: me to go in and have these conversations. But our
Speaker 6: players are so good and they're very receptive to this,
Speaker 6: and it takes the time going out there as much
Speaker 6: as you can.
Speaker 1: And getting their trust.
Speaker 6: Yeah, is the first thing that you can actually deliver something.
Speaker 6: Because that was what I when I was going out
Speaker 6: is our tour guys. Tour rep said, the one thing
Speaker 6: you cannot do is say hey, I'm gonna get you
Speaker 6: something and then not get it to them in a
Speaker 6: time of manner.
Speaker 1: So make sure like children, you.
Speaker 4: Got to don't tell your child you's going to Disney
Speaker 4: World and then bail on that trip.
Speaker 1: So you have to commit.
Speaker 6: And it's just a little bit of a process of
Speaker 6: I think gaining their trust a little bit, but also
Speaker 6: producing a good product for them that helps them actually
Speaker 6: go and win tournaments.
Speaker 3: I think early on there, Tony, I remember you you
Speaker 3: brought some samples of putters that are even our own
Speaker 3: staff hadn't seen before from us, right, I.
Speaker 4: Mean, are these like are these like PLD adjacent ideas
Speaker 4: like mill look.
Speaker 5: So this Shane, that's a great question.
Speaker 3: I mean, even if you take a classic answer design
Speaker 3: and Tony, I want to go into this some of
Speaker 3: the nuanced details that you do. You go back to
Speaker 3: your machine shop where it all started. What are some
Speaker 3: of those nuanced things is some of the one of
Speaker 3: the first samples we brought out there, Shane, which is
Speaker 3: an answer, but it just you set it down, you're like,
Speaker 3: wait a minute, this looks different. So there's a lot
Speaker 3: you can do in the machining process, the speeds, feeds,
Speaker 3: the cutters. Tony talk about some of those all those
Speaker 3: little nuanced details in there on those early on samples
Speaker 3: that's now in our in our PLD family.
Speaker 6: I think that was the one thing that's really important
Speaker 6: to me is we have a really good machine shop
Speaker 6: and I really wanted to take advantage of them and
Speaker 6: really focus on the machining of the putters and just
Speaker 6: the all details. And it's not just an answer putter
Speaker 6: like Myrier's talking about. It's not it's every surface is
Speaker 6: important on that. It's the top rail, it's the balance,
Speaker 6: it's a hozzle, and how those should look when you
Speaker 6: set down that putter is how are the shadows, how
Speaker 6: are the different milding lines. This is more a little
Speaker 6: bit more aggressive. This is not as aggressive, so you
Speaker 6: can highlight certain parts of the clutter. But it was
Speaker 6: when we start first started going out and talking to
Speaker 6: these players, it was the top rail thickness or how
Speaker 6: it broke off with the toe and the shadowing and
Speaker 6: the tangents of the curves and stuff that they are
Speaker 6: square and every line, every milliing line, every surface was
Speaker 6: either parallel or perpendicular to the ball or to the face,
Speaker 6: but still keeping that classic answered look right.
Speaker 1: So a guy Bubba Watson puts it down.
Speaker 6: I was just like, Okay, I'm used to seeing I've
Speaker 6: won two masters with a mask with an answer putter.
Speaker 6: This looks good to me, or this is what I
Speaker 6: want to do, and then just going through plus and
Speaker 6: say okay, hey.
Speaker 1: Next time I see you, I'll have that for you.
Speaker 1: And then just it.
Speaker 6: Could be one iteration, it could take six iterations before
Speaker 6: we get there. But once we get there, the guys
Speaker 6: has that trust now and seeing we're making progress and
Speaker 6: what he likes to see and how's it feels and sounds.
Speaker 4: So do you do you remember a certain moment where
Speaker 4: you were going through that process with a player and
Speaker 4: you finally gave him a model and they were like,
Speaker 4: oh my goodness, this is it. You have a moment
Speaker 4: like that.
Speaker 6: There's a there's a couple one with shamous power. Yeah,
Speaker 6: this is an interesting thing. Because we started talking about
Speaker 6: putters and kind of what he wanted to see what
Speaker 6: he liked. So I went back to work and I
Speaker 6: I think I made six different screenshots of things he
Speaker 6: had said, and then I would send it to him
Speaker 6: and I'd say, what do you like a B, C
Speaker 6: or D? And he said, I like B, but can
Speaker 6: you give me a little bit of C. So then
Speaker 6: I would do the cad work and it's in and
Speaker 6: again he goes, okay, I like that.
Speaker 1: So then this is kind.
Speaker 6: Of how the process kind of developed out there for
Speaker 6: me was Okay, now you've given me pretty good direction
Speaker 6: what you like. Then I go print out a three
Speaker 6: D printed party and take it out on tour and
Speaker 6: then have the guys actually set it down on the green.
Speaker 6: I painted up black but white lines and have them
Speaker 6: set down the green behind the ball and say, okay,
Speaker 6: is this what you really want? And sometimes it is,
Speaker 6: sometimes it's another iteration. But my goal was, Hey, I'm
Speaker 6: not gonna start cutting apart until you see something you're
Speaker 6: like that looks great, and let's go. And then it's
Speaker 6: then we start making parts and go from there.
Speaker 3: And seamush Tony we know from his ipaying data because
Speaker 3: We studied that a lot your your signature of your stroke.
Speaker 5: His tempo ratio is always really on the slow side.
Speaker 3: Correct, So how did that weave into you know, you're
Speaker 3: dialing in making sure Shamus, how's what he wants in
Speaker 3: the setup position, how it looks, what about the how
Speaker 3: does his stroke type inform the design in the hozzle?
Speaker 6: And the one thing I think with putters is it's
Speaker 6: a player's got to set it down and look at
Speaker 6: it and say that looks really good to me. That
Speaker 6: gives me confidence I know I can. But then the
Speaker 6: hood is okay, well, how do we get the weighting right?
Speaker 6: How do we get our MOI right? How do we
Speaker 6: get our CG in the right position? And with Shamus,
Speaker 6: it actually ended up we ended up trying different materials
Speaker 6: on the soul plate to get the weight tool where
Speaker 6: it matched his temple better. So we had stained the
Speaker 6: still we had I think we ended up doing a
Speaker 6: carbon or a copper soul plate on him because they
Speaker 6: needed a heavier head without changing too much about it.
Speaker 6: So yeah, so getting the right weight to match along
Speaker 6: with the look that looks good to him is those
Speaker 6: things have to work together so that he can put
Speaker 6: that in Marty.
Speaker 2: It's it's so interesting.
Speaker 4: You know, golf is so much about problem solving, you know,
Speaker 4: like we talk about it in terms of strategy when
Speaker 4: you're playing golf. Right, it's okay, this T shop might
Speaker 4: might not fit my onye maybe had three wood, or
Speaker 4: you know, I can kind of get aggressive here. That's
Speaker 4: really this whole place into it. It's so interesting when
Speaker 4: you develop a new product, it's also about, you know,
Speaker 4: kind of coming up with a with a problem to solve, right,
Speaker 4: It's how can we make this better? PLD was a
Speaker 4: was a problem solver in a way. It was introducing
Speaker 4: this amazing line of putters, but it's also just going
Speaker 4: through You're talking to the best players in the world
Speaker 4: about these certain things, and you're taking their feedback back
Speaker 4: home to create you know, new concepts and new ideas,
Speaker 4: new designs.
Speaker 5: Yeah, definitely, And I think it's just that marriage.
Speaker 3: What Tony's done a great job of is strutting out
Speaker 3: like our PLD.
Speaker 5: So many of golfers out there just love the look
Speaker 5: of it. I can't tell you how many.
Speaker 3: Folks I run across and they are like, man, your
Speaker 3: guys putters are awesome now because they have that Look,
Speaker 3: you can take the same geometry, change the the the
Speaker 3: tool path with the cutter just ever so slightly in
Speaker 3: this thing will have a totally different look. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 3: but it's mere going back to to Seamus, is that
Speaker 3: marriage of Matt, then you still got to fit it
Speaker 3: to their stroke type for them to put their best, right.
Speaker 4: Bubba, didn't Bubba have like a weird paint or something
Speaker 4: on his PLD.
Speaker 2: Didn't he have like was it it was? Was it
Speaker 2: like what it would change color?
Speaker 5: Rainbow?
Speaker 4: It was a rainbow that was a rainbow po So
Speaker 4: I mean, was that a request from him or was
Speaker 4: that you guys presenting them with something.
Speaker 6: Different, Not that that was before that pre PLD pre PLD. Yeah,
Speaker 6: but he was another guy that going on early into it.
Speaker 6: I remember, I think it was twenty eighteen Genesis and
Speaker 6: we've gone through this whole.
Speaker 1: Process that I just talked about.
Speaker 6: And I brought a potter out for him and he
Speaker 6: was coming down ten the par the short par four
Speaker 6: at the Riviera, and so I met him on that
Speaker 6: green and he's putting with it. He's potting with it,
Speaker 6: and all the tour guys are out there. Everyone's like,
Speaker 6: there's no chance, there's no chance. He was saying it's
Speaker 6: too fast off the off the face, but then he
Speaker 6: took it with him and played a practice round, actually
Speaker 6: put it in the bag that week.
Speaker 1: In one and went on to win three times with it.
Speaker 6: So you just never know his best friend night if
Speaker 6: the guy, if it goes back to if he sets
Speaker 6: it down and it fits him, the weight's right, the
Speaker 6: lofts right, the ball's coming off the way he wants
Speaker 6: it to roll, the sound.
Speaker 1: The feel.
Speaker 6: These guys are gonna if they're making pots, man, they're gonna,
Speaker 6: especially him for sure. If he can roll the ball,
Speaker 6: he's he's gonna win.
Speaker 5: Tony.
Speaker 3: I want to dive into two more players you work
Speaker 3: with the time. One is Tony Final yep, Like, let's
Speaker 3: let's talk about the answer. Two D how that came
Speaker 3: to be and how long you were working with Tony
Speaker 3: and then what happened with his uh with his record
Speaker 3: after he switched yep.
Speaker 6: So when female first signed with us, he was in
Speaker 6: a different putter and it was really hard to kind
Speaker 6: of get him to make.
Speaker 1: A change or talk about different stuff.
Speaker 6: And I used to tell myself, is like his commitment
Speaker 6: to that putter and his dedication to that is. My
Speaker 6: goal is man, if I can get him into ping,
Speaker 6: I hope he does that for us too. I respect
Speaker 6: what you're doing. We have to earn that from him.
Speaker 6: We have to show him that we've got to make it.
Speaker 6: We have to right back to you.
Speaker 1: Gotta with that trust that we can do stuff.
Speaker 6: So we went into a lab, spent a lot of
Speaker 6: time in the lab, and we basically it came down
Speaker 6: to like, he's like, I cannot play a blade. It's
Speaker 6: way too small, way too thin, and I don't want
Speaker 6: to play a mallet. So we just started talking about
Speaker 6: he liked the look of an answer to but just
Speaker 6: was too small and too light. And then just kind
Speaker 6: of led to, hey, we stretched that out a little bit,
Speaker 6: give you a little bit more weight, a little bit
Speaker 6: more with to it that it would it still have
Speaker 6: a really nice look to an answer too, but the
Speaker 6: weight of a mid mallet or mallet and a little
Speaker 6: bit more forgiveness and.
Speaker 1: Just a little bit bigger.
Speaker 6: And then also we worked on the height of the
Speaker 6: hastle to match his stroke tech for what we saw
Speaker 6: in the lab. So once we got him in there,
Speaker 6: we started seeing numbers that that were connecting with him
Speaker 6: and what he was seeing and feeling. Then from there
Speaker 6: on we we we started rolling and then he went
Speaker 6: out and won three times.
Speaker 1: With that, so right after that, right, but it was
Speaker 1: it was a process, all right.
Speaker 6: And I respect Tony one hundred percent because I feel
Speaker 6: like I have a really good relationship where he's pretty
Speaker 6: honest with me, Like he feels like he can reach
Speaker 6: out if he hadn't wants to try something, so that
Speaker 6: that's that's really nice, especially from a player like that.
Speaker 6: He's such a great guy anyways, but man, he works
Speaker 6: hard on his putting and he's very serious about it.
Speaker 5: They do work hard.
Speaker 3: We talked to Boyd about this too and Tony. You know,
Speaker 3: in the lab we were with Jeff Thomas and developed
Speaker 3: this feature pretty much exclusively for Tony and Boyd, which
Speaker 3: is our live loft and lie and ipiss so you
Speaker 3: can turn this thing on. Because he has such long arms,
Speaker 3: his hands, you know, it doesn't look it doesn't look
Speaker 3: like conventional a lot of times the toe set up
Speaker 3: a little toe kind of sits up. His hands look
Speaker 3: a little low. His forums aren't aligned with the shaft.
Speaker 3: Things of this nature. But we built this feature for
Speaker 3: Live Loft and lie. So him and Boyd could plug
Speaker 3: in their setup position for a lie and shaftleing and
Speaker 3: they could get live bio feedback. And that's right there
Speaker 3: in our ipin, you know, because it kind of the
Speaker 3: marriage of fitting and teaching is so important from a
Speaker 3: putter standpoint.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 6: So another quick story with Tony is there was a
Speaker 6: couple of years ago where I think we've all sadden.
Speaker 6: He would take his putter and turn it sideways and
Speaker 6: hit the toe right, make them in tournaments. You would
Speaker 6: see it all the time, and he I remember, I'd
Speaker 6: come home from golf and he'd send me a message saying, Hey,
Speaker 6: how do I get this feel of this? How do
Speaker 6: I get a putter like this? So we started working
Speaker 6: on something to get to get a putter that is
Speaker 6: kind of down the lines of what the feel and
Speaker 6: some of the attributes. He liked about doing that, and
Speaker 6: so we came up with some prototypes and we've worked
Speaker 6: on him. Actually, Tony Feena I was part of the
Speaker 6: patent because some.
Speaker 1: Of the ideas and some of the work that we.
Speaker 2: Did it was his ideas.
Speaker 6: Yeah, He's part of the It's me John A and
Speaker 6: Tony and I think it's really important because that's how
Speaker 6: we learned, that's how we get better to how players,
Speaker 6: and we all are players. We will do the same,
Speaker 6: but that is we we want your input. We want
Speaker 6: to hear from you so that we can make a
Speaker 6: good product for you, but not only you, but for everybody,
Speaker 6: to make really good putters.
Speaker 4: Can we talk about the Easter egg on the putter covers?
Speaker 4: How did that start? Marty showed me this day.
Speaker 1: I didn't.
Speaker 2: I didn't never understood that this was a thing.
Speaker 3: Tour Tour PLDs. Tony Serrano, they got the Serrano pepper?
Speaker 2: When did that start?
Speaker 6: So it goes back to you, bet Corey Bacon, Right, Yeah,
Speaker 6: Corey's like you should put a Serrano pepper on this
Speaker 6: stuff and market that was years ago and then.
Speaker 2: Like a kind of a joke, right, I mean, just
Speaker 2: put it on there for fun.
Speaker 1: It was kind of yeah, of fun.
Speaker 6: And then over the last few years are id guys
Speaker 6: that do some of our head covers have added it
Speaker 6: into the into the designs of it.
Speaker 1: But you kind of got to look for It's.
Speaker 6: Kind of hidden in there, but it's in there, so
Speaker 6: it's kind of just kind of taken off, not taking out,
Speaker 6: but it's kind of developed.
Speaker 1: Its own thing.
Speaker 6: And so now we put a chili pepper on our
Speaker 6: prototypes going on tour, and that only tour players have
Speaker 6: those putters with that, and then once we get into commercialization,
Speaker 6: you wouldn't see it on there butt.
Speaker 5: So they had to personally touch your hands. Basically the.
Speaker 2: Serrano putter for sure.
Speaker 5: Tony, what about uh, what about Victor Hoblin?
Speaker 3: I mean they's been in that sev two obviously having
Speaker 3: a lot of success with us.
Speaker 5: Tell us about your work with Victor?
Speaker 1: Victor is.
Speaker 6: He's he's different than most guys. And I say that
Speaker 6: with all due respect. It was probably two years ago
Speaker 6: at congree. I went up to Victor and I said, hey,
Speaker 6: what are your thoughts on working on a new revision
Speaker 6: of that he had sent me too, which he's playing
Speaker 6: and he's won with all these years. And he's like, well,
Speaker 6: what are you thinking? I go, I don't know. Maybe
Speaker 6: we should start a revision, is it? And I basically said,
Speaker 6: is there anything when you look down this putter that
Speaker 6: you're like, man, if I could change that, if I
Speaker 6: could change this, the littlest thing is a radius anything?
Speaker 6: And he looked at me and he said I wouldn't
Speaker 6: change a thing. He turned around and walked off, and
Speaker 6: I said, hey, Victor, he's turn oud look back, and
Speaker 6: I go, I agree, it's the hard but he he's
Speaker 6: the one guy. He doesn't really tinker a lot with
Speaker 6: his putter. He one times told me, which I think
Speaker 6: essentially goes, the putter.
Speaker 1: Hasn't changed overnight.
Speaker 6: There's something that's in my stroke that I need to
Speaker 6: prove on to get back to where I was. He goes,
Speaker 6: that hasn't changed. Something here has changed. So I think
Speaker 6: that's kind of his philosophy with putting. We've tried a
Speaker 6: few different things, but he always ends up back where
Speaker 6: and we all know he's he grinds like.
Speaker 5: He he works so hard to figure it out.
Speaker 1: So he's good like that.
Speaker 3: To tie it back to waste management week, I played
Speaker 3: with Victor. He actually played with him when you played
Speaker 3: in the Phoenix.
Speaker 5: Oh he got a sponsor exemption on the section.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean he turns pro in nineteen, so yeah,
Speaker 2: that career.
Speaker 3: I'm like, I'm paired with Victor Hoblin. I was unbelievable.
Speaker 3: But he was using the same DS seventy two back
Speaker 3: then that he is now. And when we had him
Speaker 3: on the pod, he talked about that. He said, Hey,
Speaker 3: I'm not into the guys switching have a bad putting
Speaker 3: round switching putters.
Speaker 4: He's like, but I mean there's really two avenues, especially
Speaker 4: for pro golfers. It's like you switch a lot or
Speaker 4: you never switch. And I mean you see the guys
Speaker 4: out on tour that have used this. I mean you
Speaker 4: think famously Tiger. I mean, Tiger used the same player
Speaker 4: for how many years? Right, I mean that's the thing
Speaker 4: that you see on one side. And then you'll also
Speaker 4: see guys like I think Lee West would be the
Speaker 4: West tinker, Like he would change putters all the time, right, yeap.
Speaker 5: All the time.
Speaker 3: We went into We've had him in the vault and
Speaker 3: got all the putters out that he's won with, and
Speaker 3: they're like, didn't you.
Speaker 2: Tell me that he was messing around with one one.
Speaker 2: He's like, I need to go back to this, and
Speaker 2: I like, yeah.
Speaker 1: We're in the lab.
Speaker 3: He's like, oh, I'm trying to change my setup to
Speaker 3: back like I did in nineteen ninety eight when I
Speaker 3: was putting like this, And we went and grabbed the
Speaker 3: putter because we the putters in the lab, we matched
Speaker 3: the specs exactly, so it's the same length lying goal
Speaker 3: loft and so we got it out and used as
Speaker 3: a model.
Speaker 2: He's like, Okay, I'm not gonna use a gold one
Speaker 2: on tour.
Speaker 4: Tony just dive a little bit into the importance of
Speaker 4: getting fit for putters, because I feel like this is
Speaker 4: still that world wedges and putters still feel like the
Speaker 4: world that maybe people still are interested in maybe going
Speaker 4: to buying something off the rack.
Speaker 2: How important is it to go get fit.
Speaker 6: So I was listening to you guys' podcast with I
Speaker 6: think it was Corey, Yeah, and you guys were talking about, well,
Speaker 6: the driver's are most important club in your bag, and
Speaker 6: I'm like, I don't think it is. It's but that's
Speaker 6: the one, in my opinion, the one club in your
Speaker 6: bag that is your scoring club, right that you can
Speaker 6: make up strokes with you hit it on everyhole.
Speaker 5: Thing.
Speaker 6: People don't get fit for that, and it's just it's
Speaker 6: something that will Marty and his team and me, and
Speaker 6: we're working really hard on trying to get more people
Speaker 6: to get fit for putters because it's so important. You know,
Speaker 6: between if you're putting with a face bounce putter, but
Speaker 6: you should be in a strong arcuse that's night and day,
Speaker 6: and if we can help get you into a part
Speaker 6: of that matches your stroke, we don't. We're not really
Speaker 6: in the lab or working with players on especially me.
Speaker 6: I'm not out there to give you a putting lesson.
Speaker 6: We're here to get a putter in your hand that
Speaker 6: looks good and that matches your stroke, right, So we
Speaker 6: always tell guys that I'm not here to we want
Speaker 6: to just do your thing and let us get a
Speaker 6: putter in your hands that help your score.
Speaker 4: And it's a confidence thing, at least for me personally, Marty.
Speaker 4: I don't know if you feel the same way, but
Speaker 4: like getting fit for a putter, knowing that the putter
Speaker 4: you're using is the right thing for you, it boosts
Speaker 4: the confidence on the greens because you can't question that club, right.
Speaker 4: I mean, that's you can't question something that has been
Speaker 4: measured and seen in terms of data to make sure
Speaker 4: it's perfect for what you're doing on the greens.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think that's important.
Speaker 3: What I love that what we've done with PLD has
Speaker 3: brought the process that Tony has taken and our reps
Speaker 3: have taken with our tour players to the people because
Speaker 3: now you can get fit for We fit everyone with
Speaker 3: iping same tool we use as the tour players. Uh,
Speaker 3: and you can customize sightlines you use, align the ball
Speaker 3: or not. Like all we've talked to all these players
Speaker 3: over the last year, shame, and they're all so different
Speaker 3: in what they do with their putting. We can embrace
Speaker 3: that in the PLD process, Tony. Part of the PLD
Speaker 3: process is fitting for the sound and feel. So tell
Speaker 3: us about our different milling patterns that you've you've developed,
Speaker 3: and again this is all born from working with like
Speaker 3: Bubba was probably the first one where we really dialed
Speaker 3: it in and it's we used.
Speaker 6: To Bubby used to be very specific about the million
Speaker 6: on his face and we've always called.
Speaker 1: It Bubba groove. That's just what we do.
Speaker 2: Is that deeper or is that deeper shallow shallow?
Speaker 6: Yeah, But even a step further back is we use
Speaker 6: in the lab we use different materials. We use a
Speaker 6: carbon still and the stainless still because in doing some
Speaker 6: of this stuff early on, we found that some players
Speaker 6: could tell the difference between a carbon steel and a
Speaker 6: stainless still, the carbon being just slightly softer and maybe
Speaker 6: not as loud and some guys like that and some
Speaker 6: guys like a little bit more feedback, a little bit
Speaker 6: more sound. So along with that, then we go into
Speaker 6: we do three different group patterns on the face. One
Speaker 6: is smooth and one is our shallow, one is our deep,
Speaker 6: and all of them have a little bit different ball speed,
Speaker 6: and all of them have a little bit different sound
Speaker 6: and a little.
Speaker 1: Bit different feel.
Speaker 6: The deeper the groove or the pattern is on your face,
Speaker 6: the softer it is, and it takes a little bit
Speaker 6: off of the sound.
Speaker 4: Also, what's your favorite club you've ever designed? If you
Speaker 4: have one that comes to mind of any club, any club,
Speaker 4: any club you've designed you put your hands on.
Speaker 3: Let me throw this out there to because we didn't
Speaker 3: get it with the intro. But Tony also is the
Speaker 3: chief designer of the Rapture Driver, right yep.
Speaker 4: So I assume that's high on the list, very high
Speaker 4: in the rap number one two right.
Speaker 1: Rapture and Rapture V two.
Speaker 6: I did design both of those, but yeah, those are
Speaker 6: very high and even back to some of the early
Speaker 6: stuff when we first went into Titanium and the Tye side,
Speaker 6: Tysi Tech. But it's they're all good man. I just
Speaker 6: love this is this is really cool working with these
Speaker 6: players and working on product for Ping, But yeah, Rapture
Speaker 6: would probably be pretty high up there.
Speaker 4: What does it feel for you personally when you know
Speaker 4: how many hours you put in with somebody like Victor
Speaker 4: or somebody like Tony and you're watching on Sunday and
Speaker 4: you see him make a big twelve foot or on
Speaker 4: the sixteenth green, Like, what does that do for you personally?
Speaker 2: In this journey you've been on with Ping, pull.
Speaker 1: The hamstring jumping, kidding.
Speaker 2: Warm up about six weeks with injury.
Speaker 6: I just it feels great, right, like you've helped this guy.
Speaker 6: I mean, he's doing the work, he's he's doing all
Speaker 6: this stuff out there.
Speaker 1: But to know that you've contributed, our team has contributed.
Speaker 6: And this is all good for Ping in that we
Speaker 6: have a product, a player out there that's winning. It
Speaker 6: looks good for us. It looks good for all of
Speaker 6: us and our team because all of us work really
Speaker 6: hard on this PUDIC and to see a win, it's
Speaker 6: just it's just really good feeling for.
Speaker 1: All of us.
Speaker 3: Tony talk talk a little bit about our machine shop
Speaker 3: and our machinists, Like what is what is a day
Speaker 3: in the life of one of our machinists at Ping,
Speaker 3: you know, and what are the quality you talked about
Speaker 3: Carson giving everybody, Hey, you can stop the line right,
Speaker 3: and that's still in our culture today. Talk talk about
Speaker 3: a day in the life of one of our machinists
Speaker 3: at Ping was working on our PLDs.
Speaker 6: So one of the things when we first started working
Speaker 6: in the shop is a little bit of a culture
Speaker 6: change where a machine when they're down there, they're trying
Speaker 6: to get stuff out quick and fast, and you know,
Speaker 6: try and get stuff to market as quick as you cancel.
Speaker 6: It took a little while to get guys to say, hey,
Speaker 6: slow down. What's really important here is that we get
Speaker 6: the best looking putters, the best milk putters in golf.
Speaker 6: And a lot of the guys are down there aren't golfers,
Speaker 6: So you have to kind of just kind of set
Speaker 6: up the expectation of what's going out there, what people
Speaker 6: are looking at, why this is so important, and to
Speaker 6: get those guys to really focus on the different details,
Speaker 6: like you said, the speed, the step over on the
Speaker 6: different cuts, the different surfaces where everything kind of lines up.
Speaker 6: And we've even taken the guys, hey, let's go outside.
Speaker 6: I want to show you why it's important when the
Speaker 6: sun hits this, this is what a player's see. This
Speaker 6: is what's important. And they're just like, well, I'm not
Speaker 6: a golfer, but right now I get it. So it's
Speaker 6: we have a few guys down there right now that
Speaker 6: that's we joke at work. They put their pod hat
Speaker 6: when they come into work every day and that's all
Speaker 6: they and they take a lot of parde in that.
Speaker 6: Now when we get a win on a Sunday or
Speaker 6: something like, I'll get a text.
Speaker 1: Was that our guy? It's our guy, And they're just like, yeah,
Speaker 1: love it.
Speaker 5: I love it.
Speaker 1: So they they are all in and they and.
Speaker 6: I do my best to keep them motivated and know
Speaker 6: that we are making the best putters in golf. We
Speaker 6: are making the best milk putters in golf. And it's
Speaker 6: because of you. It's because the time you guys put in,
Speaker 6: the work, you put in the saturdays we come in. Yeah,
Speaker 6: it's all that and it and everybody's all in it
Speaker 6: for the same reason to get the best putters out
Speaker 6: there and hopefully get some wins and.
Speaker 1: Go from there.
Speaker 5: Tony, you bring up a good point.
Speaker 3: I think the classic machine is training by default is
Speaker 3: how do you optimize for speed, costs, productivity through.
Speaker 2: Put and you have to kind of slow them down.
Speaker 5: You're like, hey, we can we.
Speaker 3: Can choose the tool path that's going to take twenty
Speaker 3: minutes longer for this for the top of this putter,
Speaker 3: we can use a more expensive cutter, right, you.
Speaker 6: Can use you could change the cutter out every putter
Speaker 6: if you have to. Yeah, and it's hard to get
Speaker 6: that culture like, but that cutter's still good.
Speaker 5: No, it's not.
Speaker 1: Look it's starting to you know, that surface isn't what
Speaker 1: it should be.
Speaker 4: I mean that's I mean in in today's age, that's
Speaker 4: not the philosophy of a lot of companies. I mean
Speaker 4: a lot of companies is like, let's turn out as
Speaker 4: much as we can, as fast as we can, as
Speaker 4: cheap as we can, and to be a place where
Speaker 4: you're comfortable saying take a little bit longer. Let's change
Speaker 4: this out at my cost a little bit more of
Speaker 4: that's okay. I mean that's got to make you feel
Speaker 4: great greats as well.
Speaker 6: And I think that's our culture at Ping as we've
Speaker 6: been taught and brought up there, is hey, make the
Speaker 6: best product. We'll figure this stuff out. Let's just make
Speaker 6: sure we got a really good product and get it
Speaker 6: out and then we'll figure out the rest.
Speaker 2: I got it. I got when PLD came out, I
Speaker 2: got an answer. I loved it.
Speaker 4: It was it was smooth faced, I got grooves put
Speaker 4: on on the back end. Jeff did that for me
Speaker 4: and it was patina. And it's just been down the
Speaker 4: line and uh, they're just great. I mean, the putters
Speaker 4: are beautiful, and I'm with you. I think they're the
Speaker 4: best in golf. So you and your team are doing
Speaker 4: a great job.
Speaker 1: So I appreciate that.
Speaker 5: Tony.
Speaker 3: Talk a little bit about our different finishes that we offer, yes,
Speaker 3: and what do they do to the look.
Speaker 5: Of the putter?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 5: So we do.
Speaker 6: We offer five different finishes right now. We do the
Speaker 6: stainless steel, we offer a satin finish, and then we
Speaker 6: the carbon still. We do a patina, we do at black,
Speaker 6: we do an oyster, and we do a glazed donut.
Speaker 6: So those are five different.
Speaker 5: You got to come see.
Speaker 2: I see it is this new know about it.
Speaker 1: It's fairly new, and I would I would mention back
Speaker 1: to going.
Speaker 2: To a donut, but is it it's more of a
Speaker 2: golden in It's mysterious.
Speaker 5: I'm into it.
Speaker 1: It's no what a donut.
Speaker 2: Chili pepper and a donut after this podcast?
Speaker 6: But see, and part of that goes back to working
Speaker 6: with guys in our shop. Is the patina was our
Speaker 6: guys in our shop, just trying different stuff.
Speaker 1: To come up with a new Is it like mixing?
Speaker 5: What is it like?
Speaker 4: I mean this is from an idiot's perspective, like mixing paint,
Speaker 4: Like what are you doing to come up with that?
Speaker 6: It's it's quite a long prot but basically you heat
Speaker 6: it up with a torch, okay, and you're putting a
Speaker 6: chemical on it, and then.
Speaker 2: You see and how it dries.
Speaker 6: Basically see how it dries, and then you some still
Speaker 6: wool and a lot of times you got to redo it.
Speaker 5: But but there's a lot of process control, a lot
Speaker 5: it's a lot of handwork, a.
Speaker 6: Lot of handwork, and we continue to try and be
Speaker 6: more efficient at that and make it a faster process.
Speaker 6: But that finish it is what it is because it
Speaker 6: takes the time, the handwork and steal wool and working
Speaker 6: every surface to get.
Speaker 1: It to look just right.
Speaker 6: And a lot of times you'll get downe with a putter,
Speaker 6: and there's just some part of the putter didn't quite
Speaker 6: get hot enough, so it doesn't match the rest of it.
Speaker 6: So you go back and you blast it and you
Speaker 6: start over to you get it right. That's where our
Speaker 6: guys I think it's just like they're they're so smart
Speaker 6: and they have so many good ideas, and then just
Speaker 6: working with them and listening to.
Speaker 4: Them that we can come up with stuff thirty six
Speaker 4: years yes, paying just and you're gonna keep rocking and rolling.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 4: Well, we appreciate everything you do. We appreciate you taking
Speaker 4: some time to chat with us. I appreciate you have
Speaker 4: the PLD line and Marty talking about about it yesterday.
Speaker 4: I mean it is it's a game changer. I mean
Speaker 4: not just for putters, but for ping in general. I
Speaker 4: mean having this line and being able to look down
Speaker 4: at something that you're that competent.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's ping is that we've always been
Speaker 3: there on the principles, but you know now it's also you.
Speaker 3: You look down to your putter and you could you
Speaker 3: fall in love with it because all these nuanced details
Speaker 3: and and everything that Tony's put into it.
Speaker 5: See, it's been great having you.
Speaker 1: On thank you, appreciate Tony the rock Star.
Speaker 2: This is the Ping Proving Rouse Podcast.