1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:01,240 Speaker 1: The guys from Ping. 2 00:00:01,320 --> 00:00:03,880 Speaker 2: They've kind of showed me how much the equipment matters. 3 00:00:04,160 --> 00:00:06,000 Speaker 2: I just love that I can hit any shot I 4 00:00:06,080 --> 00:00:06,560 Speaker 2: kind of want. 5 00:00:06,720 --> 00:00:08,520 Speaker 3: We're gonna be able to tell some fun stories about 6 00:00:08,520 --> 00:00:10,640 Speaker 3: what goes on here to help golfers play better golf. 7 00:00:11,560 --> 00:00:14,440 Speaker 4: Welcome back to the Ping proven Grounds Podcast. I'm Shane 8 00:00:14,440 --> 00:00:17,400 Speaker 4: Bac and Marty Jertson with me. Marty, we're at Putting World. Yeah, 9 00:00:17,720 --> 00:00:21,440 Speaker 4: we're in Scottsdale, which means it's WM Phoenix Open week. 10 00:00:21,800 --> 00:00:25,720 Speaker 3: This week is super fun shame because this place is buzzing. 11 00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:28,319 Speaker 3: We're at the tournament today and it's just like. 12 00:00:28,240 --> 00:00:29,440 Speaker 5: A it's it's a who's who. 13 00:00:29,720 --> 00:00:33,559 Speaker 3: Like it's like it's one of those weeks where you 14 00:00:33,600 --> 00:00:35,959 Speaker 3: know people are gonna be texting you, calling you, Hey, 15 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:36,800 Speaker 3: I'm at the tournament. 16 00:00:36,840 --> 00:00:37,600 Speaker 1: Can I get tickets? 17 00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:39,560 Speaker 5: Can I come buy the office? Can I get some tickets? 18 00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:40,680 Speaker 2: Any extra tickets floating? 19 00:00:41,400 --> 00:00:42,800 Speaker 4: Before we get to our guest, I wanted to ask 20 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:44,840 Speaker 4: you about your experience playing in the Phoenix Open. 21 00:00:45,159 --> 00:00:48,040 Speaker 3: You've played in one or I played in one in 22 00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:49,200 Speaker 3: twenty twenty. 23 00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:50,640 Speaker 2: Okay, can you tell about the experience doing that? 24 00:00:50,960 --> 00:00:51,840 Speaker 5: Uh? 25 00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:54,360 Speaker 3: It was it was kind of like my life's dream 26 00:00:54,560 --> 00:00:56,520 Speaker 3: to play in the Phoenix Open because I grew up 27 00:00:56,560 --> 00:00:59,000 Speaker 3: as a standard bearer, so I was eight nine, ten 28 00:00:59,080 --> 00:01:01,960 Speaker 3: years old carrying the sign. I grew up in a 29 00:01:01,960 --> 00:01:04,600 Speaker 3: small town globe, not too far from where Tony grew up, 30 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:07,920 Speaker 3: and you know, it was such a journey at that time. 31 00:01:07,959 --> 00:01:10,120 Speaker 3: It was like four hours to get here, wake up 32 00:01:10,160 --> 00:01:12,720 Speaker 3: at four in the morning, standard Bear, and I remember 33 00:01:12,720 --> 00:01:15,959 Speaker 3: bringing home, bringing back to school the next day, autographs 34 00:01:16,040 --> 00:01:20,080 Speaker 3: Davis loved the third and John Daily and Bobby Clampett 35 00:01:20,440 --> 00:01:22,720 Speaker 3: or what have you, and just growing up being a 36 00:01:22,760 --> 00:01:25,319 Speaker 3: standard bearer. Then it was like, Okay, I want to 37 00:01:25,319 --> 00:01:27,319 Speaker 3: play in this someday, and I never thought I would 38 00:01:27,360 --> 00:01:29,760 Speaker 3: be able to. But twenty twenty was a dream because 39 00:01:30,440 --> 00:01:33,720 Speaker 3: my kids were there, and I love that my kids 40 00:01:33,720 --> 00:01:34,280 Speaker 3: could go in. 41 00:01:34,319 --> 00:01:34,920 Speaker 5: When you play. 42 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:37,399 Speaker 3: People might not know this, but when you get to sixteen, 43 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:40,479 Speaker 3: you're like, how's my family gonna like get in there 44 00:01:40,520 --> 00:01:43,160 Speaker 3: and see me? Well, they take care of your family. 45 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:46,200 Speaker 3: You have ass right, you have a person there that's 46 00:01:46,280 --> 00:01:49,000 Speaker 3: like okay, family, boom, We'll get you right into the 47 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:52,000 Speaker 3: front spot. They watch I hit beautiful shots on sixteen. 48 00:01:52,480 --> 00:01:56,120 Speaker 3: Go over, say hi to my family that I'll never forget. 49 00:01:56,160 --> 00:01:58,800 Speaker 2: Cheers or boosts. You said, beautiful shots. What was it like? 50 00:01:58,920 --> 00:01:59,520 Speaker 5: I had cheers? 51 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:02,400 Speaker 3: I hit my both both rounds didn't make the cup, 52 00:02:02,440 --> 00:02:06,800 Speaker 3: but in both rounds I hit awesome shots. Kevin Stadler 53 00:02:06,880 --> 00:02:09,360 Speaker 3: told me, hey, whatever you do on sixteen to hit 54 00:02:09,400 --> 00:02:12,720 Speaker 3: one less club, okay, puffed will be juiced. And he 55 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:16,040 Speaker 3: was absolutely right. It was like, you know, one sixty 56 00:02:16,120 --> 00:02:18,720 Speaker 3: to the whole normally be a nine iron pitching wedge 57 00:02:18,760 --> 00:02:19,160 Speaker 3: all day. 58 00:02:19,160 --> 00:02:21,799 Speaker 5: Crush it right at the flag. It was cheers. It 59 00:02:21,880 --> 00:02:22,280 Speaker 5: was cheers. 60 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:24,880 Speaker 4: So Marty having a legendary moment. We got a legend 61 00:02:24,919 --> 00:02:26,679 Speaker 4: with us today. I want you to introduce him. I 62 00:02:26,720 --> 00:02:28,119 Speaker 4: know you know him very very well, and you've worked 63 00:02:28,160 --> 00:02:31,280 Speaker 4: closely with him for what I'm hearing is thirty plus 64 00:02:31,400 --> 00:02:32,000 Speaker 4: years at ping. 65 00:02:32,639 --> 00:02:35,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, Tony Serrano, who's one of my mentors at Ping, 66 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:39,560 Speaker 3: and I've learned a ton from Tony and it's awesome 67 00:02:39,600 --> 00:02:41,640 Speaker 3: to have him on the podcast. He has poured his 68 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 3: in his most recent part of his career at Ping, 69 00:02:45,160 --> 00:02:48,880 Speaker 3: has poured his blood, sweat and tears into our Putter family, 70 00:02:48,919 --> 00:02:51,520 Speaker 3: which we're going to talk about. But what's fun about 71 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:54,000 Speaker 3: Tony is he's worked with the Solheim family over all 72 00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:58,200 Speaker 3: three generations, so that's yeah, yes, exactly going on the 73 00:02:58,200 --> 00:03:01,120 Speaker 3: fourth now fourth generation, So Tony, I think I want 74 00:03:01,120 --> 00:03:03,360 Speaker 3: to kick that off and ask you what it was like, 75 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:07,000 Speaker 3: because when I started paying, Carson had already passed and 76 00:03:07,080 --> 00:03:10,160 Speaker 3: you would personally work with Carson and then his son 77 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:13,000 Speaker 3: John A. And now John K. Now the fourth generation. 78 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:15,120 Speaker 3: So what has that journey been like? 79 00:03:16,280 --> 00:03:18,600 Speaker 6: It's been amazing, And first of all, thank you for 80 00:03:18,600 --> 00:03:22,920 Speaker 6: having me. But yeah, when I first started, Carson was 81 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:26,880 Speaker 6: very involved in engineering and everything in the plant, and 82 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:30,520 Speaker 6: just kind of watching him and the things that he 83 00:03:31,400 --> 00:03:33,480 Speaker 6: really focused on the details and some of the stuff 84 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:38,200 Speaker 6: that he was showing everybody and teaching everybody from the 85 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:40,480 Speaker 6: engineers all the way down to the people on the 86 00:03:40,520 --> 00:03:40,840 Speaker 6: line and. 87 00:03:40,880 --> 00:03:41,800 Speaker 1: Production that. 88 00:03:43,320 --> 00:03:46,400 Speaker 6: The details really matter and that even a person on 89 00:03:46,440 --> 00:03:49,000 Speaker 6: the line, if there's something you're not comfortable with, you 90 00:03:49,040 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 6: can stop it and then just make sure we're doing 91 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:53,880 Speaker 6: the right thing. As always, what's kind of his biggest message, 92 00:03:53,960 --> 00:03:55,120 Speaker 6: make sure we're doing the right thing. 93 00:03:55,600 --> 00:03:57,800 Speaker 4: If you don't mind going back, you know, three and 94 00:03:57,880 --> 00:03:59,760 Speaker 4: a half decades or so when you started to paying, 95 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:02,640 Speaker 4: were you a golfer, how did you kind of get 96 00:04:02,680 --> 00:04:05,560 Speaker 4: involved in this great company and kind of how did 97 00:04:05,560 --> 00:04:07,360 Speaker 4: you first start at Ping? 98 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:08,280 Speaker 2: What was your first gig? 99 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:10,160 Speaker 1: So I came down on a tour. 100 00:04:10,440 --> 00:04:13,200 Speaker 6: I went to school more than Arizonia University and it 101 00:04:13,280 --> 00:04:15,600 Speaker 6: came down on a tour to tour the machine shop. And 102 00:04:15,680 --> 00:04:18,120 Speaker 6: at the time, in the late eighties, our machine shop 103 00:04:18,120 --> 00:04:24,120 Speaker 6: at Ping was one of the more higher technology machines 104 00:04:24,120 --> 00:04:27,359 Speaker 6: and stuff. C and See Carson was very always looking 105 00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:29,560 Speaker 6: to how we could get better. So we had some 106 00:04:29,600 --> 00:04:32,320 Speaker 6: of the first C and C's in the valley We're 107 00:04:32,360 --> 00:04:32,960 Speaker 6: in our shop. 108 00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:34,720 Speaker 1: So we went down as a group to see that. 109 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:37,120 Speaker 1: And while I was down there, I just asked. 110 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:39,960 Speaker 6: Hey, do you guys do internships? And they were kind 111 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:45,040 Speaker 6: of like, well, what's that? So long storyship? I did 112 00:04:45,080 --> 00:04:48,120 Speaker 6: an internship and then where I went into full time. 113 00:04:48,440 --> 00:04:49,159 Speaker 2: Were you a golfer? 114 00:04:49,400 --> 00:04:49,839 Speaker 1: I was not. 115 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:52,320 Speaker 6: I mean I dabbled a little bit down in our 116 00:04:52,520 --> 00:04:54,880 Speaker 6: kind of our hometowns, but not. 117 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:55,799 Speaker 1: Really not really. 118 00:04:55,960 --> 00:04:58,240 Speaker 4: And Kit notes, who was here a bit ago. It 119 00:04:58,320 --> 00:05:00,400 Speaker 4: was kind of digging into your chip and stuff like that. 120 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:01,320 Speaker 4: Are you a golfer now? 121 00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:01,760 Speaker 5: I am? 122 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:03,240 Speaker 2: Okay? And how is the golf game? 123 00:05:03,400 --> 00:05:05,040 Speaker 1: It's I wish it was better. 124 00:05:05,080 --> 00:05:07,880 Speaker 6: I'm gonna I kind of hover between eight and nine 125 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:09,440 Speaker 6: but want to be five. 126 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:12,240 Speaker 1: But well, you know, well, it's it's I love it. 127 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:13,480 Speaker 2: It's a tough world to live it. I mean you 128 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:15,880 Speaker 2: got a yeah, look around playing a tour events. 129 00:05:15,560 --> 00:05:18,440 Speaker 4: And play a major championships. I feel intimidated showing up 130 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:20,120 Speaker 4: as well. I had to play this guy a match yesterday. 131 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:20,560 Speaker 1: It was tough. 132 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:24,120 Speaker 6: Our whole group of engineers from Corey and Marty and 133 00:05:24,160 --> 00:05:28,200 Speaker 6: all these guys are so good. So always we always 134 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:30,919 Speaker 6: joke around, Hey, make sure you guys are developing product 135 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:33,000 Speaker 6: for an eight and nine hand, not just a scratch. 136 00:05:33,279 --> 00:05:35,600 Speaker 3: But you put like a tour player tying well, I mean, 137 00:05:35,640 --> 00:05:38,520 Speaker 3: come on, he can roll the rock. 138 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:41,760 Speaker 2: That's where that's where you can make up the shots. Yeah. 139 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:44,600 Speaker 4: So when you got into into the golf, into ping, 140 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:46,560 Speaker 4: when you got into kind of building golf clubs and 141 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:49,039 Speaker 4: working in that world, where did you start in terms 142 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:50,680 Speaker 4: of what golf clubs you started on and how did 143 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:51,880 Speaker 4: you get into putters. 144 00:05:51,960 --> 00:05:56,440 Speaker 1: So my very first project was the LA bag stands. Okay, 145 00:05:56,480 --> 00:05:57,000 Speaker 1: when we did the. 146 00:05:57,080 --> 00:05:59,560 Speaker 6: La bags back when we first started doing La bags 147 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:02,600 Speaker 6: back in the late eighties. So I worked on that 148 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:06,800 Speaker 6: and was work close with Johnny on that. That was 149 00:06:06,839 --> 00:06:09,480 Speaker 6: a big project for him, and then I went into. 150 00:06:09,279 --> 00:06:12,400 Speaker 1: Working on the woodwoods. So the first woodward. 151 00:06:11,960 --> 00:06:16,560 Speaker 6: I worked on was the zing woodwoods, and I worked 152 00:06:17,440 --> 00:06:20,200 Speaker 6: both with Carson and Johnny on that, and they both 153 00:06:20,240 --> 00:06:23,000 Speaker 6: had kind of differing opinions on how we should do it. 154 00:06:23,040 --> 00:06:25,599 Speaker 6: But it was a great experience to hear from both 155 00:06:25,640 --> 00:06:28,400 Speaker 6: these guys and what and they both aligned on what 156 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:30,720 Speaker 6: was very important, maybe just different ways of doing it. 157 00:06:30,760 --> 00:06:32,560 Speaker 2: Which which did you go with? Do you feel like 158 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:34,280 Speaker 2: the end of today, who won that battle? 159 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:38,400 Speaker 1: It was actually I have a quick story. 160 00:06:38,520 --> 00:06:40,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, for sure's it's a podcast. 161 00:06:40,320 --> 00:06:43,480 Speaker 1: We were working on woodwoods at the times. 162 00:06:43,520 --> 00:06:47,080 Speaker 6: We just at the time we had the itu woods 163 00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:50,520 Speaker 6: out there and the itues were you looked at the 164 00:06:50,520 --> 00:06:52,240 Speaker 6: soaplate they had kind of had a half circle on 165 00:06:52,279 --> 00:06:54,360 Speaker 6: a flat and then screw so it was locked in 166 00:06:54,400 --> 00:06:57,039 Speaker 6: like a puzzle piece. So Johnny and I were working 167 00:06:57,080 --> 00:06:59,120 Speaker 6: on soap plates that did not have that, and we 168 00:06:59,240 --> 00:07:03,200 Speaker 6: just added a screw and Carston. John would tell me, 169 00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:04,960 Speaker 6: We'll go show my dad, and I'd go show his 170 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:07,200 Speaker 6: dad and his dad would say, quit working on that. 171 00:07:07,360 --> 00:07:09,600 Speaker 1: We're not doing that. I go back to John and 172 00:07:09,640 --> 00:07:11,520 Speaker 1: John goes, We're fine, just keep doing it. 173 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:13,480 Speaker 2: So I mean, how stressed here here? 174 00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:17,160 Speaker 1: You're yeah, I'm like twenty three. I'm like, I don't 175 00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:18,400 Speaker 1: know what's going on here. 176 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:22,440 Speaker 6: So then one day I went to Carston and this 177 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:24,760 Speaker 6: had gone on for a while and Carson didn't say 178 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:27,280 Speaker 6: a word to me, and he says, follow me, and 179 00:07:27,320 --> 00:07:31,160 Speaker 6: we walked across the street to uh it's twenty first Avenue, 180 00:07:31,200 --> 00:07:33,680 Speaker 6: which is now closed off. It's Carston Way, but at 181 00:07:33,680 --> 00:07:36,800 Speaker 6: the time it was a public street, so cars are 182 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:37,320 Speaker 6: going through there. 183 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:37,679 Speaker 1: Whatever. 184 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:41,520 Speaker 6: So he walks walks me out into this road and 185 00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:44,440 Speaker 6: Carston's you know, he's up there in age still. And 186 00:07:45,440 --> 00:07:48,200 Speaker 6: he walks up to the curb of the street and 187 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:51,080 Speaker 6: he just starts swinging this wood as hard as he 188 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:52,600 Speaker 6: could against the curb. 189 00:07:53,320 --> 00:07:55,560 Speaker 1: And I'm like, oh my gosh, what is going on here? 190 00:07:55,560 --> 00:07:58,000 Speaker 6: And he's swinging as hard as he can and finally 191 00:07:58,440 --> 00:08:00,720 Speaker 6: the soul plate falls off and it's rolling down the street. 192 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:03,600 Speaker 1: So I go pick up the soul plate. I come 193 00:08:03,640 --> 00:08:04,280 Speaker 1: back to Carson. 194 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:06,800 Speaker 6: I'm like here, and he goes, let me see that, 195 00:08:06,840 --> 00:08:08,200 Speaker 6: and I said okay, and he looks at the soap 196 00:08:08,200 --> 00:08:11,040 Speaker 6: plate and he goes this, this is good. 197 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:14,119 Speaker 1: I go, how's that good? It just flew off, he said. 198 00:08:15,240 --> 00:08:18,040 Speaker 6: The soul plate or the lamban ins from the wood 199 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:20,720 Speaker 6: were stuck on the soap plate so still, so the 200 00:08:20,840 --> 00:08:23,520 Speaker 6: glue did not fail, the lambine failed in the wood. 201 00:08:23,840 --> 00:08:26,080 Speaker 1: So he was okay with it. And then from there 202 00:08:26,120 --> 00:08:27,200 Speaker 1: on that we were good to go. 203 00:08:27,640 --> 00:08:28,320 Speaker 5: You were smooth. 204 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:31,720 Speaker 6: But tell I tell some of the younger guys back 205 00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:33,559 Speaker 6: in the day, that's how we did destructive testing. 206 00:08:33,800 --> 00:08:34,959 Speaker 1: Carson would go hit it on. 207 00:08:34,920 --> 00:08:39,520 Speaker 6: The streets going by and he's swinging as hard as 208 00:08:39,520 --> 00:08:42,960 Speaker 6: he can. I'm like, what's going on here? But that's 209 00:08:43,040 --> 00:08:44,920 Speaker 6: kind of how Carson did it. It was kind of down 210 00:08:44,960 --> 00:08:50,520 Speaker 6: to just the very basics, right, and and that was 211 00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:52,720 Speaker 6: his way. And I think he went over to kind 212 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:54,800 Speaker 6: of show me and show I don't know about John, 213 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:58,439 Speaker 6: but hey, this if they can withstand this, it was 214 00:08:58,480 --> 00:08:59,560 Speaker 6: a learning moment for me. 215 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:00,240 Speaker 1: Yeah. 216 00:09:00,679 --> 00:09:03,280 Speaker 6: He was worried about the POxy not holding you know, 217 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:06,120 Speaker 6: we didn't have the mechanical lock anymore, and that we 218 00:09:06,200 --> 00:09:09,040 Speaker 6: showed him that the it did hold up. The wood 219 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:12,439 Speaker 6: failed and we've been doing woodwoods four years and they 220 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:14,120 Speaker 6: never failed, So he was okay with that. 221 00:09:14,400 --> 00:09:16,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, I've also heard you worked on the la 222 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:19,600 Speaker 3: you know around the office. We'll take a bag and 223 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:22,880 Speaker 3: throw it yep and go boom and then make sure 224 00:09:22,920 --> 00:09:25,319 Speaker 3: it can land and stand and not break. 225 00:09:25,559 --> 00:09:28,640 Speaker 4: So yeah, yeah, that's pretty that party. That's like old 226 00:09:28,640 --> 00:09:30,520 Speaker 4: school team. They do it a little different. Now, I 227 00:09:30,559 --> 00:09:32,880 Speaker 4: know there's a there's a machine that literally picks the 228 00:09:32,880 --> 00:09:34,120 Speaker 4: bags up and sets them down. 229 00:09:34,160 --> 00:09:36,200 Speaker 2: Now, but yeah, the old schools, you hit the club 230 00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:37,319 Speaker 2: against the curve of throw the back. 231 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:39,400 Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly. 232 00:09:39,840 --> 00:09:43,080 Speaker 3: So, Tony, we worked on bags, You worked on wood woods, 233 00:09:44,360 --> 00:09:46,599 Speaker 3: and then what was the transition. 234 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:47,480 Speaker 5: So to next for you? 235 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:49,640 Speaker 6: Yeah, so I worked on the like I said, the 236 00:09:49,720 --> 00:09:52,880 Speaker 6: zing woods, and I went into the ice I woodwoods. 237 00:09:53,320 --> 00:09:58,960 Speaker 6: I worked on the Tysi tys I tech rapture rapture be. 238 00:09:59,120 --> 00:10:01,400 Speaker 4: By the way, that's close to my heart because as 239 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:04,240 Speaker 4: the junior golfer, that was when I got into ping. 240 00:10:04,679 --> 00:10:07,400 Speaker 2: Was when the that was the driver that you know 241 00:10:07,400 --> 00:10:10,840 Speaker 2: everybody had junior golf. I had two of them. 242 00:10:11,120 --> 00:10:13,920 Speaker 4: Yeah, somebody tried and locally try to change the shaft 243 00:10:13,920 --> 00:10:15,640 Speaker 4: out for me and screwed it up, because remember you 244 00:10:15,679 --> 00:10:18,000 Speaker 4: had to take it to like a professional. But I 245 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:20,200 Speaker 4: mean that was my first I believe that was really 246 00:10:20,200 --> 00:10:21,400 Speaker 4: my first introduction. 247 00:10:21,040 --> 00:10:23,800 Speaker 1: To pay and that was our first titanium woods. 248 00:10:23,880 --> 00:10:24,040 Speaker 5: Right. 249 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:27,920 Speaker 6: So I worked on the fairy woods and Dan Kupka 250 00:10:27,920 --> 00:10:30,480 Speaker 6: who was our lead design engineer there and he worked 251 00:10:30,480 --> 00:10:33,480 Speaker 6: on the driver stuff, but we did Tye Sithe tys 252 00:10:33,520 --> 00:10:35,440 Speaker 6: I Tech and then into the Rapture stuff, and then 253 00:10:35,480 --> 00:10:39,160 Speaker 6: I think you came in on some of the Raptor stuff. 254 00:10:37,280 --> 00:10:39,960 Speaker 2: And your post Rapture is that you Marty? 255 00:10:40,040 --> 00:10:40,240 Speaker 5: Yeah? 256 00:10:40,320 --> 00:10:43,160 Speaker 3: Right at the Raptor I Will designed the Raptor hybrid. Well, 257 00:10:43,280 --> 00:10:46,040 Speaker 3: I was following Tony's lead on the driver. You know, 258 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:48,400 Speaker 3: we were tying the whole family together, right. 259 00:10:48,400 --> 00:10:51,720 Speaker 4: So so how how how instrumental was he in your career? 260 00:10:51,880 --> 00:10:54,280 Speaker 4: You know, like you're coming up and he's obviously established 261 00:10:54,280 --> 00:10:57,120 Speaker 4: at this point at ping, Like are you bouncing ideas 262 00:10:57,160 --> 00:10:57,680 Speaker 4: off of him? 263 00:10:57,840 --> 00:10:59,920 Speaker 2: Is he kind of your carston on a way? 264 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:02,720 Speaker 4: Is in in like how you ask questions and go 265 00:11:02,760 --> 00:11:03,600 Speaker 4: through those processes. 266 00:11:03,640 --> 00:11:04,920 Speaker 5: Yeah? I would say a little bit of both. 267 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:07,240 Speaker 3: Like, you know, the Driver we've talked a lot about 268 00:11:07,240 --> 00:11:09,839 Speaker 3: and Tony was the lead designer. I mean he's touched 269 00:11:09,840 --> 00:11:11,960 Speaker 3: a lot of products that a lot of people have 270 00:11:12,400 --> 00:11:17,240 Speaker 3: tyas I Tyasi Tech fairy woulds right titanium with the 271 00:11:17,520 --> 00:11:23,959 Speaker 3: with the zirconium soul plate then exactly, So Tony leading 272 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:26,680 Speaker 3: the raptured driver, it was like the driver kind of 273 00:11:26,679 --> 00:11:29,560 Speaker 3: sets the tone for the whole frightly. So that's really 274 00:11:29,640 --> 00:11:33,280 Speaker 3: where we first started working together. But yeah, Tony's been 275 00:11:33,320 --> 00:11:35,160 Speaker 3: a great mentor to me and a lot of our 276 00:11:35,240 --> 00:11:38,920 Speaker 3: junior our engineers, coming up on all the nuance like 277 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:42,640 Speaker 3: how do you understand the core principles because he's worked 278 00:11:42,640 --> 00:11:45,600 Speaker 3: with Carston and John for so long, how do you 279 00:11:45,679 --> 00:11:49,640 Speaker 3: instill all those principles into your day to day decision making? 280 00:11:49,800 --> 00:11:49,959 Speaker 5: Right? 281 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:51,679 Speaker 3: And I think that's what Tony has been great at 282 00:11:51,720 --> 00:11:53,160 Speaker 3: with with the rest of the engineering group. 283 00:11:53,679 --> 00:11:57,120 Speaker 4: Loves to teach Tony how is Marty at a young age? 284 00:11:57,160 --> 00:11:59,920 Speaker 4: Because you know, like you see these young prodigy golfers 285 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:03,079 Speaker 4: and you go, oh Man Lori Mcrroy, Victor Hovem, like 286 00:12:03,120 --> 00:12:04,640 Speaker 4: these guys are great at a young age. How was 287 00:12:04,679 --> 00:12:05,800 Speaker 4: Marty as a youngster? 288 00:12:06,280 --> 00:12:09,760 Speaker 6: I remember the day that Marty was hired and we 289 00:12:09,800 --> 00:12:11,319 Speaker 6: went out and we talked to him out at Moon 290 00:12:11,400 --> 00:12:13,319 Speaker 6: Valley one day, a group of us went out and 291 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:17,520 Speaker 6: talked to and Marty had a crew cut and he 292 00:12:17,640 --> 00:12:20,480 Speaker 6: was all business man, and he when he came in, 293 00:12:20,520 --> 00:12:21,760 Speaker 6: he was down in manufacturing. 294 00:12:22,080 --> 00:12:24,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, so Marty's been on. 295 00:12:24,640 --> 00:12:28,480 Speaker 6: The floor working on equipment, working with people, learning how 296 00:12:28,480 --> 00:12:31,480 Speaker 6: the process works. And then you could just see Marty 297 00:12:31,600 --> 00:12:33,920 Speaker 6: kind of grow from there and then take that what 298 00:12:34,040 --> 00:12:36,800 Speaker 6: he learned with work with people on the floor, and 299 00:12:36,840 --> 00:12:39,920 Speaker 6: then with the manufacturing team, and then taking that and 300 00:12:39,920 --> 00:12:42,280 Speaker 6: when he got into design and helping out, it just 301 00:12:42,360 --> 00:12:43,320 Speaker 6: kind of flowed together. 302 00:12:44,080 --> 00:12:46,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, And that's what I've loved about Tony's journey is 303 00:12:46,720 --> 00:12:49,040 Speaker 3: that he's still today now working on putters, which we'll 304 00:12:49,040 --> 00:12:52,320 Speaker 3: get to, is working across the entire spectrum. 305 00:12:52,360 --> 00:12:54,400 Speaker 5: And that's that's what we both love about. 306 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:58,559 Speaker 3: Paying You get your hands dirty down there in manufacturing, 307 00:12:58,760 --> 00:13:01,400 Speaker 3: like like making the action whole product all you know, 308 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:03,720 Speaker 3: then all the way up to designing it and doing 309 00:13:03,720 --> 00:13:07,200 Speaker 3: what we're here doing. Everyone enjoying the fruits of our labor. 310 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:10,720 Speaker 3: There is super fun. And even to John Solheim's credit, 311 00:13:10,840 --> 00:13:13,760 Speaker 3: right when we were during COVID, when we were all 312 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:16,880 Speaker 3: all of us office workers are down there building product. 313 00:13:17,040 --> 00:13:17,480 Speaker 5: John A. 314 00:13:17,640 --> 00:13:23,360 Speaker 3: Solheim is down there working shifts on Saturday mornings. Everyone's 315 00:13:23,360 --> 00:13:26,560 Speaker 3: got their face coverings on during COVID and people didn't 316 00:13:26,600 --> 00:13:29,440 Speaker 3: know it was him. Right, He's down there putting his 317 00:13:29,559 --> 00:13:33,360 Speaker 3: time in and that is incredible. You you still do 318 00:13:33,440 --> 00:13:34,880 Speaker 3: that to this day, which I have a lot of 319 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:35,960 Speaker 3: respect for Tony on. 320 00:13:36,600 --> 00:13:40,400 Speaker 6: And that's and for John john A to do that, 321 00:13:40,720 --> 00:13:42,640 Speaker 6: and that's kind of his style, right. He doesn't want 322 00:13:42,679 --> 00:13:44,560 Speaker 6: to make a big deal about it. He doesn't want people. 323 00:13:44,880 --> 00:13:47,600 Speaker 6: He just wants to if you see him, find but 324 00:13:47,640 --> 00:13:49,480 Speaker 6: that's not his purpose to go and say, hey, look 325 00:13:49,480 --> 00:13:51,520 Speaker 6: at me, I'm down here. He actually is doing it 326 00:13:51,559 --> 00:13:52,439 Speaker 6: just to help the company. 327 00:13:52,840 --> 00:13:55,320 Speaker 4: So let's transition to PLD, you know, because I mean 328 00:13:55,559 --> 00:13:58,079 Speaker 4: that goes back to twenty sixteen working with tour players. 329 00:13:58,800 --> 00:14:01,440 Speaker 4: How did that kind of idea come about? And how 330 00:14:01,520 --> 00:14:04,520 Speaker 4: is that process like to basically come up with this 331 00:14:04,640 --> 00:14:05,640 Speaker 4: new line of putters for Ping. 332 00:14:05,800 --> 00:14:10,920 Speaker 6: Yeah, back then Chance Cosby was running our tour department 333 00:14:10,960 --> 00:14:15,000 Speaker 6: and then our VP of Engineering and me we went 334 00:14:15,040 --> 00:14:16,720 Speaker 6: and talked to Chance or Chance came to us and 335 00:14:16,760 --> 00:14:19,200 Speaker 6: basically was saying, hey, we need to up our game 336 00:14:19,200 --> 00:14:22,760 Speaker 6: in putters. We need to do more because there's competitors 337 00:14:22,760 --> 00:14:24,640 Speaker 6: out there and other people that are doing mild putters 338 00:14:24,640 --> 00:14:28,160 Speaker 6: and doing a lot of different stuff. And so Paul Wood, 339 00:14:28,200 --> 00:14:31,640 Speaker 6: our VP of engineering, says, Okay, this is this is what. 340 00:14:31,560 --> 00:14:32,040 Speaker 1: You're gonna do. 341 00:14:32,080 --> 00:14:33,640 Speaker 6: You need to go out and start figuring out how 342 00:14:33,680 --> 00:14:38,120 Speaker 6: to do this. So twenty sixteen seventeen started going out 343 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:41,720 Speaker 6: on tour and talking with players and trying to just 344 00:14:41,840 --> 00:14:42,560 Speaker 6: kind of fill it. 345 00:14:42,480 --> 00:14:44,960 Speaker 1: Out to see what they're looking for, what they need. 346 00:14:44,880 --> 00:14:47,280 Speaker 4: And how you know, how are you starting those conversations 347 00:14:47,280 --> 00:14:48,880 Speaker 4: like are you going up to a Bubba Watson and 348 00:14:48,920 --> 00:14:52,040 Speaker 4: you're saying, hey, we're thinking about doing this at Ping, 349 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:53,640 Speaker 4: We're going to be doing this at Ping? Or were 350 00:14:53,640 --> 00:14:55,400 Speaker 4: you just kind of seeing what their thoughts were on 351 00:14:55,680 --> 00:14:57,120 Speaker 4: the actual putter line that existed. 352 00:14:57,280 --> 00:14:59,400 Speaker 6: I would say a lot of the First of all, 353 00:14:59,400 --> 00:15:01,360 Speaker 6: I was very so it's tough for me to go 354 00:15:01,800 --> 00:15:05,360 Speaker 6: It's like Lee Westwood and Louis and Bubba and these 355 00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:08,720 Speaker 6: guys and and just start kicking this on this conversation up. 356 00:15:08,760 --> 00:15:11,800 Speaker 6: But our tour reps, Christian Pagne at the time and 357 00:15:12,440 --> 00:15:15,400 Speaker 6: Ko were very helpful with that. Right they brought they 358 00:15:15,400 --> 00:15:17,000 Speaker 6: brought it in. They kind of tee it up for 359 00:15:17,040 --> 00:15:20,520 Speaker 6: me to go in and have these conversations. But our 360 00:15:20,560 --> 00:15:23,200 Speaker 6: players are so good and they're very receptive to this, 361 00:15:23,800 --> 00:15:27,520 Speaker 6: and it takes the time going out there as much 362 00:15:27,560 --> 00:15:28,320 Speaker 6: as you can. 363 00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:29,720 Speaker 1: And getting their trust. 364 00:15:30,080 --> 00:15:32,720 Speaker 6: Yeah, is the first thing that you can actually deliver something. 365 00:15:33,560 --> 00:15:35,520 Speaker 6: Because that was what I when I was going out 366 00:15:35,880 --> 00:15:38,320 Speaker 6: is our tour guys. Tour rep said, the one thing 367 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:40,160 Speaker 6: you cannot do is say hey, I'm gonna get you 368 00:15:40,200 --> 00:15:42,520 Speaker 6: something and then not get it to them in a 369 00:15:42,600 --> 00:15:43,280 Speaker 6: time of manner. 370 00:15:43,440 --> 00:15:45,000 Speaker 1: So make sure like children, you. 371 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:46,880 Speaker 4: Got to don't tell your child you's going to Disney 372 00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:48,160 Speaker 4: World and then bail on that trip. 373 00:15:48,360 --> 00:15:49,280 Speaker 1: So you have to commit. 374 00:15:49,400 --> 00:15:51,800 Speaker 6: And it's just a little bit of a process of 375 00:15:52,400 --> 00:15:54,480 Speaker 6: I think gaining their trust a little bit, but also 376 00:15:54,560 --> 00:15:56,880 Speaker 6: producing a good product for them that helps them actually 377 00:15:56,880 --> 00:15:57,840 Speaker 6: go and win tournaments. 378 00:15:58,000 --> 00:16:00,000 Speaker 3: I think early on there, Tony, I remember you you 379 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:04,640 Speaker 3: brought some samples of putters that are even our own 380 00:16:04,720 --> 00:16:07,000 Speaker 3: staff hadn't seen before from us, right, I. 381 00:16:06,960 --> 00:16:10,560 Speaker 4: Mean, are these like are these like PLD adjacent ideas 382 00:16:10,600 --> 00:16:11,520 Speaker 4: like mill look. 383 00:16:12,400 --> 00:16:14,680 Speaker 5: So this Shane, that's a great question. 384 00:16:14,760 --> 00:16:17,560 Speaker 3: I mean, even if you take a classic answer design 385 00:16:18,160 --> 00:16:20,240 Speaker 3: and Tony, I want to go into this some of 386 00:16:20,280 --> 00:16:22,680 Speaker 3: the nuanced details that you do. You go back to 387 00:16:22,760 --> 00:16:25,280 Speaker 3: your machine shop where it all started. What are some 388 00:16:25,320 --> 00:16:27,360 Speaker 3: of those nuanced things is some of the one of 389 00:16:27,400 --> 00:16:29,360 Speaker 3: the first samples we brought out there, Shane, which is 390 00:16:29,440 --> 00:16:32,240 Speaker 3: an answer, but it just you set it down, you're like, 391 00:16:32,280 --> 00:16:35,960 Speaker 3: wait a minute, this looks different. So there's a lot 392 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:39,520 Speaker 3: you can do in the machining process, the speeds, feeds, 393 00:16:39,560 --> 00:16:42,640 Speaker 3: the cutters. Tony talk about some of those all those 394 00:16:42,640 --> 00:16:45,640 Speaker 3: little nuanced details in there on those early on samples 395 00:16:45,640 --> 00:16:48,160 Speaker 3: that's now in our in our PLD family. 396 00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:50,280 Speaker 6: I think that was the one thing that's really important 397 00:16:50,280 --> 00:16:52,480 Speaker 6: to me is we have a really good machine shop 398 00:16:52,960 --> 00:16:55,920 Speaker 6: and I really wanted to take advantage of them and 399 00:16:56,040 --> 00:16:59,600 Speaker 6: really focus on the machining of the putters and just 400 00:16:59,640 --> 00:17:03,480 Speaker 6: the all details. And it's not just an answer putter 401 00:17:03,520 --> 00:17:06,280 Speaker 6: like Myrier's talking about. It's not it's every surface is 402 00:17:06,320 --> 00:17:08,560 Speaker 6: important on that. It's the top rail, it's the balance, 403 00:17:08,560 --> 00:17:10,800 Speaker 6: it's a hozzle, and how those should look when you 404 00:17:10,840 --> 00:17:14,400 Speaker 6: set down that putter is how are the shadows, how 405 00:17:14,440 --> 00:17:17,280 Speaker 6: are the different milding lines. This is more a little 406 00:17:17,320 --> 00:17:19,879 Speaker 6: bit more aggressive. This is not as aggressive, so you 407 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:22,600 Speaker 6: can highlight certain parts of the clutter. But it was 408 00:17:22,640 --> 00:17:25,320 Speaker 6: when we start first started going out and talking to 409 00:17:26,040 --> 00:17:31,160 Speaker 6: these players, it was the top rail thickness or how 410 00:17:31,160 --> 00:17:33,480 Speaker 6: it broke off with the toe and the shadowing and 411 00:17:33,560 --> 00:17:35,560 Speaker 6: the tangents of the curves and stuff that they are 412 00:17:35,640 --> 00:17:40,439 Speaker 6: square and every line, every milliing line, every surface was 413 00:17:40,480 --> 00:17:45,320 Speaker 6: either parallel or perpendicular to the ball or to the face, 414 00:17:45,640 --> 00:17:48,120 Speaker 6: but still keeping that classic answered look right. 415 00:17:48,880 --> 00:17:50,720 Speaker 1: So a guy Bubba Watson puts it down. 416 00:17:50,720 --> 00:17:52,879 Speaker 6: I was just like, Okay, I'm used to seeing I've 417 00:17:52,920 --> 00:17:56,000 Speaker 6: won two masters with a mask with an answer putter. 418 00:17:56,400 --> 00:17:58,320 Speaker 6: This looks good to me, or this is what I 419 00:17:58,320 --> 00:18:00,399 Speaker 6: want to do, and then just going through plus and 420 00:18:00,480 --> 00:18:01,240 Speaker 6: say okay, hey. 421 00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:02,480 Speaker 1: Next time I see you, I'll have that for you. 422 00:18:02,800 --> 00:18:03,560 Speaker 1: And then just it. 423 00:18:03,520 --> 00:18:06,680 Speaker 6: Could be one iteration, it could take six iterations before 424 00:18:06,720 --> 00:18:08,960 Speaker 6: we get there. But once we get there, the guys 425 00:18:09,320 --> 00:18:12,280 Speaker 6: has that trust now and seeing we're making progress and 426 00:18:12,320 --> 00:18:14,280 Speaker 6: what he likes to see and how's it feels and sounds. 427 00:18:14,280 --> 00:18:16,840 Speaker 4: So do you do you remember a certain moment where 428 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:18,800 Speaker 4: you were going through that process with a player and 429 00:18:18,840 --> 00:18:20,800 Speaker 4: you finally gave him a model and they were like, 430 00:18:21,119 --> 00:18:23,760 Speaker 4: oh my goodness, this is it. You have a moment 431 00:18:23,800 --> 00:18:24,040 Speaker 4: like that. 432 00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:28,640 Speaker 6: There's a there's a couple one with shamous power. Yeah, 433 00:18:28,720 --> 00:18:32,440 Speaker 6: this is an interesting thing. Because we started talking about 434 00:18:32,440 --> 00:18:34,040 Speaker 6: putters and kind of what he wanted to see what 435 00:18:34,119 --> 00:18:37,760 Speaker 6: he liked. So I went back to work and I 436 00:18:37,760 --> 00:18:40,399 Speaker 6: I think I made six different screenshots of things he 437 00:18:40,440 --> 00:18:42,480 Speaker 6: had said, and then I would send it to him 438 00:18:42,520 --> 00:18:44,040 Speaker 6: and I'd say, what do you like a B, C 439 00:18:44,240 --> 00:18:46,200 Speaker 6: or D? And he said, I like B, but can 440 00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:49,320 Speaker 6: you give me a little bit of C. So then 441 00:18:49,640 --> 00:18:51,280 Speaker 6: I would do the cad work and it's in and 442 00:18:51,320 --> 00:18:52,880 Speaker 6: again he goes, okay, I like that. 443 00:18:53,440 --> 00:18:54,879 Speaker 1: So then this is kind. 444 00:18:54,720 --> 00:18:57,080 Speaker 6: Of how the process kind of developed out there for 445 00:18:57,119 --> 00:18:59,560 Speaker 6: me was Okay, now you've given me pretty good direction 446 00:18:59,680 --> 00:19:01,640 Speaker 6: what you like. Then I go print out a three 447 00:19:01,720 --> 00:19:05,199 Speaker 6: D printed party and take it out on tour and 448 00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:07,440 Speaker 6: then have the guys actually set it down on the green. 449 00:19:07,520 --> 00:19:10,240 Speaker 6: I painted up black but white lines and have them 450 00:19:10,280 --> 00:19:12,240 Speaker 6: set down the green behind the ball and say, okay, 451 00:19:12,320 --> 00:19:14,560 Speaker 6: is this what you really want? And sometimes it is, 452 00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:18,200 Speaker 6: sometimes it's another iteration. But my goal was, Hey, I'm 453 00:19:18,200 --> 00:19:20,720 Speaker 6: not gonna start cutting apart until you see something you're 454 00:19:20,760 --> 00:19:23,440 Speaker 6: like that looks great, and let's go. And then it's 455 00:19:23,560 --> 00:19:25,359 Speaker 6: then we start making parts and go from there. 456 00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:28,880 Speaker 3: And seamush Tony we know from his ipaying data because 457 00:19:28,920 --> 00:19:33,080 Speaker 3: We studied that a lot your your signature of your stroke. 458 00:19:33,280 --> 00:19:36,119 Speaker 5: His tempo ratio is always really on the slow side. 459 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:39,200 Speaker 3: Correct, So how did that weave into you know, you're 460 00:19:39,240 --> 00:19:42,840 Speaker 3: dialing in making sure Shamus, how's what he wants in 461 00:19:42,880 --> 00:19:46,200 Speaker 3: the setup position, how it looks, what about the how 462 00:19:46,200 --> 00:19:49,879 Speaker 3: does his stroke type inform the design in the hozzle? 463 00:19:50,320 --> 00:19:54,399 Speaker 6: And the one thing I think with putters is it's 464 00:19:54,760 --> 00:19:56,399 Speaker 6: a player's got to set it down and look at 465 00:19:56,440 --> 00:19:58,040 Speaker 6: it and say that looks really good to me. That 466 00:19:58,080 --> 00:20:00,320 Speaker 6: gives me confidence I know I can. But then the 467 00:20:00,359 --> 00:20:02,760 Speaker 6: hood is okay, well, how do we get the weighting right? 468 00:20:02,760 --> 00:20:04,359 Speaker 6: How do we get our MOI right? How do we 469 00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:07,080 Speaker 6: get our CG in the right position? And with Shamus, 470 00:20:07,320 --> 00:20:10,040 Speaker 6: it actually ended up we ended up trying different materials 471 00:20:10,040 --> 00:20:12,440 Speaker 6: on the soul plate to get the weight tool where 472 00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:14,920 Speaker 6: it matched his temple better. So we had stained the 473 00:20:14,960 --> 00:20:17,040 Speaker 6: still we had I think we ended up doing a 474 00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:20,719 Speaker 6: carbon or a copper soul plate on him because they 475 00:20:20,760 --> 00:20:24,439 Speaker 6: needed a heavier head without changing too much about it. 476 00:20:24,520 --> 00:20:29,119 Speaker 6: So yeah, so getting the right weight to match along 477 00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:31,600 Speaker 6: with the look that looks good to him is those 478 00:20:31,640 --> 00:20:34,280 Speaker 6: things have to work together so that he can put 479 00:20:34,320 --> 00:20:35,600 Speaker 6: that in Marty. 480 00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:36,840 Speaker 2: It's it's so interesting. 481 00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:39,320 Speaker 4: You know, golf is so much about problem solving, you know, 482 00:20:39,359 --> 00:20:41,040 Speaker 4: like we talk about it in terms of strategy when 483 00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:43,840 Speaker 4: you're playing golf. Right, it's okay, this T shop might 484 00:20:43,920 --> 00:20:45,560 Speaker 4: might not fit my onye maybe had three wood, or 485 00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:47,560 Speaker 4: you know, I can kind of get aggressive here. That's 486 00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:49,680 Speaker 4: really this whole place into it. It's so interesting when 487 00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:52,520 Speaker 4: you develop a new product, it's also about, you know, 488 00:20:52,600 --> 00:20:54,880 Speaker 4: kind of coming up with a with a problem to solve, right, 489 00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:56,919 Speaker 4: It's how can we make this better? PLD was a 490 00:20:57,119 --> 00:20:59,320 Speaker 4: was a problem solver in a way. It was introducing 491 00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:02,119 Speaker 4: this amazing line of putters, but it's also just going 492 00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:03,960 Speaker 4: through You're talking to the best players in the world 493 00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:07,000 Speaker 4: about these certain things, and you're taking their feedback back 494 00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:09,680 Speaker 4: home to create you know, new concepts and new ideas, 495 00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:10,280 Speaker 4: new designs. 496 00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:12,920 Speaker 5: Yeah, definitely, And I think it's just that marriage. 497 00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:15,679 Speaker 3: What Tony's done a great job of is strutting out 498 00:21:16,119 --> 00:21:17,040 Speaker 3: like our PLD. 499 00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:20,440 Speaker 5: So many of golfers out there just love the look 500 00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:22,080 Speaker 5: of it. I can't tell you how many. 501 00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:25,440 Speaker 3: Folks I run across and they are like, man, your 502 00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:29,240 Speaker 3: guys putters are awesome now because they have that Look, 503 00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:34,760 Speaker 3: you can take the same geometry, change the the the 504 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:38,439 Speaker 3: tool path with the cutter just ever so slightly in 505 00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:40,639 Speaker 3: this thing will have a totally different look. Yeah, you know, 506 00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:43,480 Speaker 3: but it's mere going back to to Seamus, is that 507 00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:46,240 Speaker 3: marriage of Matt, then you still got to fit it 508 00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:48,480 Speaker 3: to their stroke type for them to put their best, right. 509 00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:53,320 Speaker 4: Bubba, didn't Bubba have like a weird paint or something 510 00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:54,240 Speaker 4: on his PLD. 511 00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:56,919 Speaker 2: Didn't he have like was it it was? Was it 512 00:21:56,960 --> 00:21:58,160 Speaker 2: like what it would change color? 513 00:21:58,200 --> 00:21:58,640 Speaker 5: Rainbow? 514 00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:01,119 Speaker 4: It was a rainbow that was a rainbow po So 515 00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:02,720 Speaker 4: I mean, was that a request from him or was 516 00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:04,400 Speaker 4: that you guys presenting them with something. 517 00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:09,120 Speaker 6: Different, Not that that was before that pre PLD pre PLD. Yeah, 518 00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:13,119 Speaker 6: but he was another guy that going on early into it. 519 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:16,679 Speaker 6: I remember, I think it was twenty eighteen Genesis and 520 00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:17,639 Speaker 6: we've gone through this whole. 521 00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:18,720 Speaker 1: Process that I just talked about. 522 00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:22,600 Speaker 6: And I brought a potter out for him and he 523 00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:25,680 Speaker 6: was coming down ten the par the short par four 524 00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:28,320 Speaker 6: at the Riviera, and so I met him on that 525 00:22:28,359 --> 00:22:30,720 Speaker 6: green and he's putting with it. He's potting with it, 526 00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:32,760 Speaker 6: and all the tour guys are out there. Everyone's like, 527 00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:34,800 Speaker 6: there's no chance, there's no chance. He was saying it's 528 00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:37,919 Speaker 6: too fast off the off the face, but then he 529 00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:39,920 Speaker 6: took it with him and played a practice round, actually 530 00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:41,520 Speaker 6: put it in the bag that week. 531 00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:43,159 Speaker 1: In one and went on to win three times with it. 532 00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:46,640 Speaker 6: So you just never know his best friend night if 533 00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:48,879 Speaker 6: the guy, if it goes back to if he sets 534 00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:52,199 Speaker 6: it down and it fits him, the weight's right, the 535 00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:54,399 Speaker 6: lofts right, the ball's coming off the way he wants 536 00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:56,400 Speaker 6: it to roll, the sound. 537 00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:56,680 Speaker 1: The feel. 538 00:22:57,400 --> 00:22:59,440 Speaker 6: These guys are gonna if they're making pots, man, they're gonna, 539 00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:01,720 Speaker 6: especially him for sure. If he can roll the ball, 540 00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:03,320 Speaker 6: he's he's gonna win. 541 00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:03,920 Speaker 5: Tony. 542 00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:05,680 Speaker 3: I want to dive into two more players you work 543 00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:08,120 Speaker 3: with the time. One is Tony Final yep, Like, let's 544 00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:10,320 Speaker 3: let's talk about the answer. Two D how that came 545 00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:13,000 Speaker 3: to be and how long you were working with Tony 546 00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:16,359 Speaker 3: and then what happened with his uh with his record 547 00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:17,360 Speaker 3: after he switched yep. 548 00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:20,879 Speaker 6: So when female first signed with us, he was in 549 00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:25,080 Speaker 6: a different putter and it was really hard to kind 550 00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:26,040 Speaker 6: of get him to make. 551 00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:27,600 Speaker 1: A change or talk about different stuff. 552 00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:30,880 Speaker 6: And I used to tell myself, is like his commitment 553 00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:33,879 Speaker 6: to that putter and his dedication to that is. My 554 00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:35,680 Speaker 6: goal is man, if I can get him into ping, 555 00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:39,000 Speaker 6: I hope he does that for us too. I respect 556 00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:41,200 Speaker 6: what you're doing. We have to earn that from him. 557 00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:43,080 Speaker 6: We have to show him that we've got to make it. 558 00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:45,240 Speaker 6: We have to right back to you. 559 00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:47,520 Speaker 1: Gotta with that trust that we can do stuff. 560 00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:49,480 Speaker 6: So we went into a lab, spent a lot of 561 00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:52,359 Speaker 6: time in the lab, and we basically it came down 562 00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:55,080 Speaker 6: to like, he's like, I cannot play a blade. It's 563 00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:57,160 Speaker 6: way too small, way too thin, and I don't want 564 00:23:57,160 --> 00:24:00,280 Speaker 6: to play a mallet. So we just started talking about 565 00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:02,840 Speaker 6: he liked the look of an answer to but just 566 00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:05,400 Speaker 6: was too small and too light. And then just kind 567 00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:07,919 Speaker 6: of led to, hey, we stretched that out a little bit, 568 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:09,679 Speaker 6: give you a little bit more weight, a little bit 569 00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:12,960 Speaker 6: more with to it that it would it still have 570 00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:15,000 Speaker 6: a really nice look to an answer too, but the 571 00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:18,000 Speaker 6: weight of a mid mallet or mallet and a little 572 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:18,919 Speaker 6: bit more forgiveness and. 573 00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:21,480 Speaker 1: Just a little bit bigger. 574 00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:23,359 Speaker 6: And then also we worked on the height of the 575 00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:25,920 Speaker 6: hastle to match his stroke tech for what we saw 576 00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:28,920 Speaker 6: in the lab. So once we got him in there, 577 00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:32,480 Speaker 6: we started seeing numbers that that were connecting with him 578 00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:34,960 Speaker 6: and what he was seeing and feeling. Then from there 579 00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:37,760 Speaker 6: on we we we started rolling and then he went 580 00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:39,480 Speaker 6: out and won three times. 581 00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:42,760 Speaker 1: With that, so right after that, right, but it was 582 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:44,240 Speaker 1: it was a process, all right. 583 00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:47,600 Speaker 6: And I respect Tony one hundred percent because I feel 584 00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:49,639 Speaker 6: like I have a really good relationship where he's pretty 585 00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:51,400 Speaker 6: honest with me, Like he feels like he can reach 586 00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:55,240 Speaker 6: out if he hadn't wants to try something, so that 587 00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:57,800 Speaker 6: that's that's really nice, especially from a player like that. 588 00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:02,040 Speaker 6: He's such a great guy anyways, but man, he works 589 00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:04,560 Speaker 6: hard on his putting and he's very serious about it. 590 00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:05,520 Speaker 5: They do work hard. 591 00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:08,280 Speaker 3: We talked to Boyd about this too and Tony. You know, 592 00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:10,840 Speaker 3: in the lab we were with Jeff Thomas and developed 593 00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:14,080 Speaker 3: this feature pretty much exclusively for Tony and Boyd, which 594 00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:16,439 Speaker 3: is our live loft and lie and ipiss so you 595 00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:18,919 Speaker 3: can turn this thing on. Because he has such long arms, 596 00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:21,680 Speaker 3: his hands, you know, it doesn't look it doesn't look 597 00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:24,280 Speaker 3: like conventional a lot of times the toe set up 598 00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:26,159 Speaker 3: a little toe kind of sits up. His hands look 599 00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:28,320 Speaker 3: a little low. His forums aren't aligned with the shaft. 600 00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:30,480 Speaker 3: Things of this nature. But we built this feature for 601 00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:33,480 Speaker 3: Live Loft and lie. So him and Boyd could plug 602 00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:37,320 Speaker 3: in their setup position for a lie and shaftleing and 603 00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:40,080 Speaker 3: they could get live bio feedback. And that's right there 604 00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:42,399 Speaker 3: in our ipin, you know, because it kind of the 605 00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:46,439 Speaker 3: marriage of fitting and teaching is so important from a 606 00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:47,200 Speaker 3: putter standpoint. 607 00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:48,760 Speaker 1: Yeah. 608 00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:52,960 Speaker 6: So another quick story with Tony is there was a 609 00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:55,680 Speaker 6: couple of years ago where I think we've all sadden. 610 00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:58,159 Speaker 6: He would take his putter and turn it sideways and 611 00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:01,560 Speaker 6: hit the toe right, make them in tournaments. You would 612 00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:04,200 Speaker 6: see it all the time, and he I remember, I'd 613 00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:06,400 Speaker 6: come home from golf and he'd send me a message saying, Hey, 614 00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:08,600 Speaker 6: how do I get this feel of this? How do 615 00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:12,280 Speaker 6: I get a putter like this? So we started working 616 00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:15,119 Speaker 6: on something to get to get a putter that is 617 00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:17,879 Speaker 6: kind of down the lines of what the feel and 618 00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:22,200 Speaker 6: some of the attributes. He liked about doing that, and 619 00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:25,600 Speaker 6: so we came up with some prototypes and we've worked 620 00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:27,399 Speaker 6: on him. Actually, Tony Feena I was part of the 621 00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:28,720 Speaker 6: patent because some. 622 00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:30,600 Speaker 1: Of the ideas and some of the work that we. 623 00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:31,760 Speaker 2: Did it was his ideas. 624 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:35,320 Speaker 6: Yeah, He's part of the It's me John A and 625 00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:40,159 Speaker 6: Tony and I think it's really important because that's how 626 00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:42,440 Speaker 6: we learned, that's how we get better to how players, 627 00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:45,520 Speaker 6: and we all are players. We will do the same, 628 00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:47,960 Speaker 6: but that is we we want your input. We want 629 00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:49,480 Speaker 6: to hear from you so that we can make a 630 00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:52,000 Speaker 6: good product for you, but not only you, but for everybody, 631 00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:53,440 Speaker 6: to make really good putters. 632 00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:56,040 Speaker 4: Can we talk about the Easter egg on the putter covers? 633 00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:57,800 Speaker 4: How did that start? Marty showed me this day. 634 00:26:57,800 --> 00:26:58,080 Speaker 1: I didn't. 635 00:26:58,080 --> 00:26:59,560 Speaker 2: I didn't never understood that this was a thing. 636 00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:04,840 Speaker 3: Tour Tour PLDs. Tony Serrano, they got the Serrano pepper? 637 00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:06,320 Speaker 2: When did that start? 638 00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:11,200 Speaker 6: So it goes back to you, bet Corey Bacon, Right, Yeah, 639 00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:13,439 Speaker 6: Corey's like you should put a Serrano pepper on this 640 00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:16,919 Speaker 6: stuff and market that was years ago and then. 641 00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:18,240 Speaker 2: Like a kind of a joke, right, I mean, just 642 00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:19,119 Speaker 2: put it on there for fun. 643 00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:21,200 Speaker 1: It was kind of yeah, of fun. 644 00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:24,440 Speaker 6: And then over the last few years are id guys 645 00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:28,199 Speaker 6: that do some of our head covers have added it 646 00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:30,840 Speaker 6: into the into the designs of it. 647 00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:32,840 Speaker 1: But you kind of got to look for It's. 648 00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:35,359 Speaker 6: Kind of hidden in there, but it's in there, so 649 00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:38,280 Speaker 6: it's kind of just kind of taken off, not taking out, 650 00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:39,600 Speaker 6: but it's kind of developed. 651 00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:39,960 Speaker 1: Its own thing. 652 00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:42,879 Speaker 6: And so now we put a chili pepper on our 653 00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:46,440 Speaker 6: prototypes going on tour, and that only tour players have 654 00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:49,440 Speaker 6: those putters with that, and then once we get into commercialization, 655 00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:51,240 Speaker 6: you wouldn't see it on there butt. 656 00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:54,199 Speaker 5: So they had to personally touch your hands. Basically the. 657 00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:57,200 Speaker 2: Serrano putter for sure. 658 00:27:57,400 --> 00:27:59,840 Speaker 5: Tony, what about uh, what about Victor Hoblin? 659 00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:03,840 Speaker 3: I mean they's been in that sev two obviously having 660 00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:05,040 Speaker 3: a lot of success with us. 661 00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:06,679 Speaker 5: Tell us about your work with Victor? 662 00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:07,760 Speaker 1: Victor is. 663 00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:13,040 Speaker 6: He's he's different than most guys. And I say that 664 00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:16,240 Speaker 6: with all due respect. It was probably two years ago 665 00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:20,160 Speaker 6: at congree. I went up to Victor and I said, hey, 666 00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:23,160 Speaker 6: what are your thoughts on working on a new revision 667 00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:24,840 Speaker 6: of that he had sent me too, which he's playing 668 00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:28,800 Speaker 6: and he's won with all these years. And he's like, well, 669 00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:31,200 Speaker 6: what are you thinking? I go, I don't know. Maybe 670 00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:33,600 Speaker 6: we should start a revision, is it? And I basically said, 671 00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:35,119 Speaker 6: is there anything when you look down this putter that 672 00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:36,520 Speaker 6: you're like, man, if I could change that, if I 673 00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:40,400 Speaker 6: could change this, the littlest thing is a radius anything? 674 00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:42,800 Speaker 6: And he looked at me and he said I wouldn't 675 00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:45,040 Speaker 6: change a thing. He turned around and walked off, and 676 00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:47,120 Speaker 6: I said, hey, Victor, he's turn oud look back, and 677 00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:50,120 Speaker 6: I go, I agree, it's the hard but he he's 678 00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:52,600 Speaker 6: the one guy. He doesn't really tinker a lot with 679 00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:54,920 Speaker 6: his putter. He one times told me, which I think 680 00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:56,840 Speaker 6: essentially goes, the putter. 681 00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:57,760 Speaker 1: Hasn't changed overnight. 682 00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:00,120 Speaker 6: There's something that's in my stroke that I need to 683 00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:03,480 Speaker 6: prove on to get back to where I was. He goes, 684 00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:06,120 Speaker 6: that hasn't changed. Something here has changed. So I think 685 00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:09,680 Speaker 6: that's kind of his philosophy with putting. We've tried a 686 00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:13,200 Speaker 6: few different things, but he always ends up back where 687 00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:15,800 Speaker 6: and we all know he's he grinds like. 688 00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:18,120 Speaker 5: He he works so hard to figure it out. 689 00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:20,960 Speaker 1: So he's good like that. 690 00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:23,720 Speaker 3: To tie it back to waste management week, I played 691 00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:26,080 Speaker 3: with Victor. He actually played with him when you played 692 00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:26,640 Speaker 3: in the Phoenix. 693 00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:29,360 Speaker 5: Oh he got a sponsor exemption on the section. 694 00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:31,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean he turns pro in nineteen, so yeah, 695 00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:32,680 Speaker 2: that career. 696 00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:35,760 Speaker 3: I'm like, I'm paired with Victor Hoblin. I was unbelievable. 697 00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:38,920 Speaker 3: But he was using the same DS seventy two back 698 00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:41,080 Speaker 3: then that he is now. And when we had him 699 00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:42,920 Speaker 3: on the pod, he talked about that. He said, Hey, 700 00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:45,280 Speaker 3: I'm not into the guys switching have a bad putting 701 00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:46,440 Speaker 3: round switching putters. 702 00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:50,240 Speaker 4: He's like, but I mean there's really two avenues, especially 703 00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:52,760 Speaker 4: for pro golfers. It's like you switch a lot or 704 00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:54,480 Speaker 4: you never switch. And I mean you see the guys 705 00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:56,640 Speaker 4: out on tour that have used this. I mean you 706 00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:58,800 Speaker 4: think famously Tiger. I mean, Tiger used the same player 707 00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:00,680 Speaker 4: for how many years? Right, I mean that's the thing 708 00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:02,640 Speaker 4: that you see on one side. And then you'll also 709 00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:04,160 Speaker 4: see guys like I think Lee West would be the 710 00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:07,280 Speaker 4: West tinker, Like he would change putters all the time, right, yeap. 711 00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:08,120 Speaker 5: All the time. 712 00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:11,560 Speaker 3: We went into We've had him in the vault and 713 00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:13,880 Speaker 3: got all the putters out that he's won with, and 714 00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:15,000 Speaker 3: they're like, didn't you. 715 00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:16,280 Speaker 2: Tell me that he was messing around with one one. 716 00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:17,720 Speaker 2: He's like, I need to go back to this, and 717 00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:18,480 Speaker 2: I like, yeah. 718 00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:18,920 Speaker 1: We're in the lab. 719 00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:21,000 Speaker 3: He's like, oh, I'm trying to change my setup to 720 00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:24,440 Speaker 3: back like I did in nineteen ninety eight when I 721 00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:26,040 Speaker 3: was putting like this, And we went and grabbed the 722 00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:29,000 Speaker 3: putter because we the putters in the lab, we matched 723 00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:32,640 Speaker 3: the specs exactly, so it's the same length lying goal 724 00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:34,640 Speaker 3: loft and so we got it out and used as 725 00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:35,040 Speaker 3: a model. 726 00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:37,680 Speaker 2: He's like, Okay, I'm not gonna use a gold one 727 00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:38,040 Speaker 2: on tour. 728 00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:41,200 Speaker 4: Tony just dive a little bit into the importance of 729 00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:43,320 Speaker 4: getting fit for putters, because I feel like this is 730 00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:46,760 Speaker 4: still that world wedges and putters still feel like the 731 00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:49,239 Speaker 4: world that maybe people still are interested in maybe going 732 00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:50,200 Speaker 4: to buying something off the rack. 733 00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:51,520 Speaker 2: How important is it to go get fit. 734 00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:54,840 Speaker 6: So I was listening to you guys' podcast with I 735 00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:57,640 Speaker 6: think it was Corey, Yeah, and you guys were talking about, well, 736 00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:00,800 Speaker 6: the driver's are most important club in your bag, and 737 00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:08,400 Speaker 6: I'm like, I don't think it is. It's but that's 738 00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:11,080 Speaker 6: the one, in my opinion, the one club in your 739 00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:13,280 Speaker 6: bag that is your scoring club, right that you can 740 00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:14,720 Speaker 6: make up strokes with you hit it on everyhole. 741 00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:14,960 Speaker 5: Thing. 742 00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:18,000 Speaker 6: People don't get fit for that, and it's just it's 743 00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:20,080 Speaker 6: something that will Marty and his team and me, and 744 00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:22,280 Speaker 6: we're working really hard on trying to get more people 745 00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:25,800 Speaker 6: to get fit for putters because it's so important. You know, 746 00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:29,320 Speaker 6: between if you're putting with a face bounce putter, but 747 00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:32,160 Speaker 6: you should be in a strong arcuse that's night and day, 748 00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:34,840 Speaker 6: and if we can help get you into a part 749 00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:37,640 Speaker 6: of that matches your stroke, we don't. We're not really 750 00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:40,960 Speaker 6: in the lab or working with players on especially me. 751 00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:43,200 Speaker 6: I'm not out there to give you a putting lesson. 752 00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:45,280 Speaker 6: We're here to get a putter in your hand that 753 00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:49,360 Speaker 6: looks good and that matches your stroke, right, So we 754 00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:51,800 Speaker 6: always tell guys that I'm not here to we want 755 00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:54,000 Speaker 6: to just do your thing and let us get a 756 00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:56,040 Speaker 6: putter in your hands that help your score. 757 00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:58,680 Speaker 4: And it's a confidence thing, at least for me personally, Marty. 758 00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:00,080 Speaker 4: I don't know if you feel the same way, but 759 00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:03,840 Speaker 4: like getting fit for a putter, knowing that the putter 760 00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:06,720 Speaker 4: you're using is the right thing for you, it boosts 761 00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:09,640 Speaker 4: the confidence on the greens because you can't question that club, right. 762 00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:11,960 Speaker 4: I mean, that's you can't question something that has been 763 00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:15,000 Speaker 4: measured and seen in terms of data to make sure 764 00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:16,480 Speaker 4: it's perfect for what you're doing on the greens. 765 00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:17,480 Speaker 2: I mean, I think that's important. 766 00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:19,840 Speaker 3: What I love that what we've done with PLD has 767 00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:23,480 Speaker 3: brought the process that Tony has taken and our reps 768 00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:26,320 Speaker 3: have taken with our tour players to the people because 769 00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:29,000 Speaker 3: now you can get fit for We fit everyone with 770 00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:32,160 Speaker 3: iping same tool we use as the tour players. Uh, 771 00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:35,200 Speaker 3: and you can customize sightlines you use, align the ball 772 00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:37,960 Speaker 3: or not. Like all we've talked to all these players 773 00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:40,480 Speaker 3: over the last year, shame, and they're all so different 774 00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:43,280 Speaker 3: in what they do with their putting. We can embrace 775 00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:46,400 Speaker 3: that in the PLD process, Tony. Part of the PLD 776 00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:49,520 Speaker 3: process is fitting for the sound and feel. So tell 777 00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:53,680 Speaker 3: us about our different milling patterns that you've you've developed, 778 00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:56,040 Speaker 3: and again this is all born from working with like 779 00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:59,080 Speaker 3: Bubba was probably the first one where we really dialed 780 00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:01,480 Speaker 3: it in and it's we used. 781 00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:04,520 Speaker 6: To Bubby used to be very specific about the million 782 00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:05,960 Speaker 6: on his face and we've always called. 783 00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:07,160 Speaker 1: It Bubba groove. That's just what we do. 784 00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:10,680 Speaker 2: Is that deeper or is that deeper shallow shallow? 785 00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:13,960 Speaker 6: Yeah, But even a step further back is we use 786 00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:16,720 Speaker 6: in the lab we use different materials. We use a 787 00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:19,840 Speaker 6: carbon still and the stainless still because in doing some 788 00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:22,000 Speaker 6: of this stuff early on, we found that some players 789 00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:24,040 Speaker 6: could tell the difference between a carbon steel and a 790 00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:28,160 Speaker 6: stainless still, the carbon being just slightly softer and maybe 791 00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:31,200 Speaker 6: not as loud and some guys like that and some 792 00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:33,000 Speaker 6: guys like a little bit more feedback, a little bit 793 00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:35,880 Speaker 6: more sound. So along with that, then we go into 794 00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:39,480 Speaker 6: we do three different group patterns on the face. One 795 00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:42,560 Speaker 6: is smooth and one is our shallow, one is our deep, 796 00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:44,640 Speaker 6: and all of them have a little bit different ball speed, 797 00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:46,800 Speaker 6: and all of them have a little bit different sound 798 00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:47,520 Speaker 6: and a little. 799 00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:48,040 Speaker 1: Bit different feel. 800 00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:51,200 Speaker 6: The deeper the groove or the pattern is on your face, 801 00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:54,320 Speaker 6: the softer it is, and it takes a little bit 802 00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:55,440 Speaker 6: off of the sound. 803 00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:59,080 Speaker 4: Also, what's your favorite club you've ever designed? If you 804 00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:01,920 Speaker 4: have one that comes to mind of any club, any club, 805 00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:04,320 Speaker 4: any club you've designed you put your hands on. 806 00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:06,240 Speaker 3: Let me throw this out there to because we didn't 807 00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:08,560 Speaker 3: get it with the intro. But Tony also is the 808 00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:12,440 Speaker 3: chief designer of the Rapture Driver, right yep. 809 00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:14,799 Speaker 4: So I assume that's high on the list, very high 810 00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:16,960 Speaker 4: in the rap number one two right. 811 00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:18,600 Speaker 1: Rapture and Rapture V two. 812 00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:21,000 Speaker 6: I did design both of those, but yeah, those are 813 00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:22,919 Speaker 6: very high and even back to some of the early 814 00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:26,240 Speaker 6: stuff when we first went into Titanium and the Tye side, 815 00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:32,000 Speaker 6: Tysi Tech. But it's they're all good man. I just 816 00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:35,279 Speaker 6: love this is this is really cool working with these 817 00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:39,240 Speaker 6: players and working on product for Ping, But yeah, Rapture 818 00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:40,480 Speaker 6: would probably be pretty high up there. 819 00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:43,680 Speaker 4: What does it feel for you personally when you know 820 00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:45,759 Speaker 4: how many hours you put in with somebody like Victor 821 00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:48,880 Speaker 4: or somebody like Tony and you're watching on Sunday and 822 00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:50,520 Speaker 4: you see him make a big twelve foot or on 823 00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:53,280 Speaker 4: the sixteenth green, Like, what does that do for you personally? 824 00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:57,000 Speaker 2: In this journey you've been on with Ping, pull. 825 00:34:56,880 --> 00:34:59,040 Speaker 1: The hamstring jumping, kidding. 826 00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:04,200 Speaker 2: Warm up about six weeks with injury. 827 00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:09,839 Speaker 6: I just it feels great, right, like you've helped this guy. 828 00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:12,000 Speaker 6: I mean, he's doing the work, he's he's doing all 829 00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:12,759 Speaker 6: this stuff out there. 830 00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:16,319 Speaker 1: But to know that you've contributed, our team has contributed. 831 00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:18,600 Speaker 6: And this is all good for Ping in that we 832 00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:21,560 Speaker 6: have a product, a player out there that's winning. It 833 00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:23,160 Speaker 6: looks good for us. It looks good for all of 834 00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:26,040 Speaker 6: us and our team because all of us work really 835 00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:28,239 Speaker 6: hard on this PUDIC and to see a win, it's 836 00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:30,000 Speaker 6: just it's just really good feeling for. 837 00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:30,400 Speaker 1: All of us. 838 00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:33,839 Speaker 3: Tony talk talk a little bit about our machine shop 839 00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:37,359 Speaker 3: and our machinists, Like what is what is a day 840 00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:40,120 Speaker 3: in the life of one of our machinists at Ping, 841 00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:42,959 Speaker 3: you know, and what are the quality you talked about 842 00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:46,520 Speaker 3: Carson giving everybody, Hey, you can stop the line right, 843 00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:49,560 Speaker 3: and that's still in our culture today. Talk talk about 844 00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:52,000 Speaker 3: a day in the life of one of our machinists 845 00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:53,960 Speaker 3: at Ping was working on our PLDs. 846 00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:56,080 Speaker 6: So one of the things when we first started working 847 00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:58,280 Speaker 6: in the shop is a little bit of a culture 848 00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:01,919 Speaker 6: change where a machine when they're down there, they're trying 849 00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:05,360 Speaker 6: to get stuff out quick and fast, and you know, 850 00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:07,480 Speaker 6: try and get stuff to market as quick as you cancel. 851 00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:09,759 Speaker 6: It took a little while to get guys to say, hey, 852 00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:12,200 Speaker 6: slow down. What's really important here is that we get 853 00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:14,840 Speaker 6: the best looking putters, the best milk putters in golf. 854 00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:17,280 Speaker 6: And a lot of the guys are down there aren't golfers, 855 00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:19,520 Speaker 6: So you have to kind of just kind of set 856 00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:21,640 Speaker 6: up the expectation of what's going out there, what people 857 00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:25,320 Speaker 6: are looking at, why this is so important, and to 858 00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:29,520 Speaker 6: get those guys to really focus on the different details, 859 00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:33,759 Speaker 6: like you said, the speed, the step over on the 860 00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:37,160 Speaker 6: different cuts, the different surfaces where everything kind of lines up. 861 00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:39,920 Speaker 6: And we've even taken the guys, hey, let's go outside. 862 00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:41,800 Speaker 6: I want to show you why it's important when the 863 00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:44,400 Speaker 6: sun hits this, this is what a player's see. This 864 00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:48,920 Speaker 6: is what's important. And they're just like, well, I'm not 865 00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:52,719 Speaker 6: a golfer, but right now I get it. So it's 866 00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:54,880 Speaker 6: we have a few guys down there right now that 867 00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:58,200 Speaker 6: that's we joke at work. They put their pod hat 868 00:36:58,280 --> 00:36:59,719 Speaker 6: when they come into work every day and that's all 869 00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:01,880 Speaker 6: they and they take a lot of parde in that. 870 00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:03,800 Speaker 6: Now when we get a win on a Sunday or 871 00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:05,040 Speaker 6: something like, I'll get a text. 872 00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:07,200 Speaker 1: Was that our guy? It's our guy, And they're just like, yeah, 873 00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:07,480 Speaker 1: love it. 874 00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:08,000 Speaker 5: I love it. 875 00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:11,279 Speaker 1: So they they are all in and they and. 876 00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:16,400 Speaker 6: I do my best to keep them motivated and know 877 00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:18,960 Speaker 6: that we are making the best putters in golf. We 878 00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:21,000 Speaker 6: are making the best milk putters in golf. And it's 879 00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:23,400 Speaker 6: because of you. It's because the time you guys put in, 880 00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:26,680 Speaker 6: the work, you put in the saturdays we come in. Yeah, 881 00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:29,640 Speaker 6: it's all that and it and everybody's all in it 882 00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:32,080 Speaker 6: for the same reason to get the best putters out 883 00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:33,360 Speaker 6: there and hopefully get some wins and. 884 00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:34,960 Speaker 1: Go from there. 885 00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:36,480 Speaker 5: Tony, you bring up a good point. 886 00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:39,480 Speaker 3: I think the classic machine is training by default is 887 00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:43,840 Speaker 3: how do you optimize for speed, costs, productivity through. 888 00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:45,560 Speaker 2: Put and you have to kind of slow them down. 889 00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:47,239 Speaker 5: You're like, hey, we can we. 890 00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:49,719 Speaker 3: Can choose the tool path that's going to take twenty 891 00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:52,000 Speaker 3: minutes longer for this for the top of this putter, 892 00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:55,000 Speaker 3: we can use a more expensive cutter, right, you. 893 00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:58,080 Speaker 6: Can use you could change the cutter out every putter 894 00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:01,359 Speaker 6: if you have to. Yeah, and it's hard to get 895 00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:03,960 Speaker 6: that culture like, but that cutter's still good. 896 00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:04,400 Speaker 5: No, it's not. 897 00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:07,600 Speaker 1: Look it's starting to you know, that surface isn't what 898 00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:08,080 Speaker 1: it should be. 899 00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:11,879 Speaker 4: I mean that's I mean in in today's age, that's 900 00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:14,360 Speaker 4: not the philosophy of a lot of companies. I mean 901 00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:16,920 Speaker 4: a lot of companies is like, let's turn out as 902 00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:18,480 Speaker 4: much as we can, as fast as we can, as 903 00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:20,439 Speaker 4: cheap as we can, and to be a place where 904 00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:24,040 Speaker 4: you're comfortable saying take a little bit longer. Let's change 905 00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:25,360 Speaker 4: this out at my cost a little bit more of 906 00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:26,959 Speaker 4: that's okay. I mean that's got to make you feel 907 00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:27,920 Speaker 4: great greats as well. 908 00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:30,080 Speaker 6: And I think that's our culture at Ping as we've 909 00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:32,600 Speaker 6: been taught and brought up there, is hey, make the 910 00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:35,200 Speaker 6: best product. We'll figure this stuff out. Let's just make 911 00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:37,040 Speaker 6: sure we got a really good product and get it 912 00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:38,759 Speaker 6: out and then we'll figure out the rest. 913 00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:41,640 Speaker 2: I got it. I got when PLD came out, I 914 00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:43,480 Speaker 2: got an answer. I loved it. 915 00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:46,000 Speaker 4: It was it was smooth faced, I got grooves put 916 00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:47,600 Speaker 4: on on the back end. Jeff did that for me 917 00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:50,200 Speaker 4: and it was patina. And it's just been down the 918 00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:52,800 Speaker 4: line and uh, they're just great. I mean, the putters 919 00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:54,719 Speaker 4: are beautiful, and I'm with you. I think they're the 920 00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:56,680 Speaker 4: best in golf. So you and your team are doing 921 00:38:56,719 --> 00:38:57,200 Speaker 4: a great job. 922 00:38:57,960 --> 00:38:58,680 Speaker 1: So I appreciate that. 923 00:38:59,120 --> 00:38:59,400 Speaker 5: Tony. 924 00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:01,960 Speaker 3: Talk a little bit about our different finishes that we offer, yes, 925 00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:04,240 Speaker 3: and what do they do to the look. 926 00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:04,560 Speaker 5: Of the putter? 927 00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:05,040 Speaker 3: You know? 928 00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:06,480 Speaker 5: So we do. 929 00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:10,719 Speaker 6: We offer five different finishes right now. We do the 930 00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:13,640 Speaker 6: stainless steel, we offer a satin finish, and then we 931 00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:17,279 Speaker 6: the carbon still. We do a patina, we do at black, 932 00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:20,360 Speaker 6: we do an oyster, and we do a glazed donut. 933 00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:22,640 Speaker 6: So those are five different. 934 00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:24,480 Speaker 5: You got to come see. 935 00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:27,320 Speaker 2: I see it is this new know about it. 936 00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:30,640 Speaker 1: It's fairly new, and I would I would mention back 937 00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:31,280 Speaker 1: to going. 938 00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:33,200 Speaker 2: To a donut, but is it it's more of a 939 00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:36,000 Speaker 2: golden in It's mysterious. 940 00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:37,800 Speaker 5: I'm into it. 941 00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:39,319 Speaker 1: It's no what a donut. 942 00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:43,040 Speaker 2: Chili pepper and a donut after this podcast? 943 00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:45,520 Speaker 6: But see, and part of that goes back to working 944 00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:49,400 Speaker 6: with guys in our shop. Is the patina was our 945 00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:51,960 Speaker 6: guys in our shop, just trying different stuff. 946 00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:54,240 Speaker 1: To come up with a new Is it like mixing? 947 00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:54,920 Speaker 5: What is it like? 948 00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:57,200 Speaker 4: I mean this is from an idiot's perspective, like mixing paint, 949 00:39:57,239 --> 00:39:58,440 Speaker 4: Like what are you doing to come up with that? 950 00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:01,200 Speaker 6: It's it's quite a long prot but basically you heat 951 00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:03,279 Speaker 6: it up with a torch, okay, and you're putting a 952 00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:05,160 Speaker 6: chemical on it, and then. 953 00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:06,360 Speaker 2: You see and how it dries. 954 00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:09,160 Speaker 6: Basically see how it dries, and then you some still 955 00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:10,880 Speaker 6: wool and a lot of times you got to redo it. 956 00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:13,680 Speaker 5: But but there's a lot of process control, a lot 957 00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:14,840 Speaker 5: it's a lot of handwork, a. 958 00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:18,200 Speaker 6: Lot of handwork, and we continue to try and be 959 00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:21,120 Speaker 6: more efficient at that and make it a faster process. 960 00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:24,880 Speaker 6: But that finish it is what it is because it 961 00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:28,520 Speaker 6: takes the time, the handwork and steal wool and working 962 00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:29,800 Speaker 6: every surface to get. 963 00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:30,480 Speaker 1: It to look just right. 964 00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:32,399 Speaker 6: And a lot of times you'll get downe with a putter, 965 00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:34,879 Speaker 6: and there's just some part of the putter didn't quite 966 00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:37,040 Speaker 6: get hot enough, so it doesn't match the rest of it. 967 00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:38,880 Speaker 6: So you go back and you blast it and you 968 00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:41,080 Speaker 6: start over to you get it right. That's where our 969 00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:44,600 Speaker 6: guys I think it's just like they're they're so smart 970 00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:46,680 Speaker 6: and they have so many good ideas, and then just 971 00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:48,200 Speaker 6: working with them and listening to. 972 00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:51,040 Speaker 4: Them that we can come up with stuff thirty six 973 00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:53,640 Speaker 4: years yes, paying just and you're gonna keep rocking and rolling. 974 00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:53,879 Speaker 1: Yep. 975 00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:56,120 Speaker 4: Well, we appreciate everything you do. We appreciate you taking 976 00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:57,880 Speaker 4: some time to chat with us. I appreciate you have 977 00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:00,680 Speaker 4: the PLD line and Marty talking about about it yesterday. 978 00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:02,759 Speaker 4: I mean it is it's a game changer. I mean 979 00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:04,800 Speaker 4: not just for putters, but for ping in general. I 980 00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:07,759 Speaker 4: mean having this line and being able to look down 981 00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:08,920 Speaker 4: at something that you're that competent. 982 00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:11,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's ping is that we've always been 983 00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:15,600 Speaker 3: there on the principles, but you know now it's also you. 984 00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:17,480 Speaker 3: You look down to your putter and you could you 985 00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:20,480 Speaker 3: fall in love with it because all these nuanced details 986 00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:22,600 Speaker 3: and and everything that Tony's put into it. 987 00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:23,799 Speaker 5: See, it's been great having you. 988 00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:25,799 Speaker 1: On thank you, appreciate Tony the rock Star. 989 00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:27,520 Speaker 2: This is the Ping Proving Rouse Podcast.