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Speaker 3: Hiros Ends, Hey boo, it's me Roz.

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Speaker 1: Happy twenty twenty one. I don't know. I've missed you. God,

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Speaker 1: I have missed you, guys. I mean i've I was

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Speaker 1: still doing, like, you know, episodes on Patreon, which you

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Speaker 1: can still listen to. I did two full length episodes

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Speaker 1: have a lot of catching up to do. So basically,

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Speaker 1: you know, I talked to my friend Jinx Monsoon, winner

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Speaker 1: of RuPaul's Drag Race. We had such a great time talking.

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Speaker 1: We talked about so many things. Okay, now, Jinks practices witchcraft.

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Speaker 1: We talk a lot about witchcraft. We talk about crystals,

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Speaker 1: we talk about haunted locations. We even talked about a

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Speaker 1: much that I want to talk about, I'm just gonna

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Speaker 1: plus you know, the regular Patreon bonus clips, patreon dot

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Speaker 1: com slash roles. Dressful as Now, one of the first

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Speaker 1: things that I have to tell you is I think

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Speaker 1: So basically the story is a couple of people in

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Speaker 1: Actually putting up signs on the houses that she's selling

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Speaker 1: According to Joy, it was freaky. She said, she lives alone.

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Speaker 1: that now, you don't, Joy, I am on board with

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Speaker 1: she remembers thinking, So she didn't set up the signs

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Speaker 2: the only other person in the house who was like

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00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:15,720
Speaker 2: raised in that house, had very similar stories from my grandma.

430
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:18,680
Speaker 2: And then you know, there were stories of things moving

431
00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:22,240
Speaker 2: or flying across the room and footsteps on the front porch,

432
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:23,719
Speaker 2: and then they'd go to the door to see if

433
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:24,880
Speaker 2: someone was coming and there was.

434
00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:25,520
Speaker 4: No one there.

435
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:29,879
Speaker 2: And I don't know the facts, but I think I

436
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:32,720
Speaker 2: was told at some point that like someone who owned

437
00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:36,320
Speaker 2: the house before us was a very violent man who

438
00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:40,479
Speaker 2: had kidnapped a mother and child from the neighborhood and

439
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:42,920
Speaker 2: like tortured them in the basement or something, and they

440
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:46,080
Speaker 2: may have ended up dead, all three of them somehow.

441
00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:49,520
Speaker 2: What I think I remember is that the person like

442
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:53,520
Speaker 2: tortured this mother and child in the basement and killed

443
00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:57,840
Speaker 2: them and then was like lynched lynch mobbed on the

444
00:28:57,880 --> 00:28:58,800
Speaker 2: front porch.

445
00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:00,840
Speaker 4: Of his house was our house.

446
00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:05,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was like, you know, attacked by the other

447
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:07,920
Speaker 2: neighbors when they found out what happened on his porch,

448
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:11,320
Speaker 2: and that's where he died. Now, see, these are all

449
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:13,920
Speaker 2: just like bits and pieces of things I overheard as

450
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:19,080
Speaker 2: a child hearing the adults talking about stuff. But that's

451
00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:23,560
Speaker 2: where the hypothesis of where all the ghost energy comes from.

452
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:27,040
Speaker 1: Because you would hear them be like something happened, and

453
00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:30,520
Speaker 1: then they would talk about, oh, the ghosts, like they

454
00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:32,440
Speaker 1: would like would they keep that away from you?

455
00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:36,600
Speaker 2: It was never like my mom told me the stories

456
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:40,720
Speaker 2: about me, but the like darker stuff I would eavesdrop on.

457
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:44,200
Speaker 2: And my mom would spend all night on the phone

458
00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:47,960
Speaker 2: talking with her girlfriends about her ghost stories. My mom

459
00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:53,880
Speaker 2: loved talking about ghosts, and there was there was this

460
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:56,600
Speaker 2: ongoing thing of anyone who stayed in the guest house

461
00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:58,960
Speaker 2: in that house would wake up in the middle of

462
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:02,240
Speaker 2: the night with the feeling of someone like pushing down

463
00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:05,239
Speaker 2: on their chest, like pushing them into the bed and

464
00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:08,080
Speaker 2: feeling like the weight of an entire person on their chest.

465
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:11,120
Speaker 2: And they'd wake up feeling like they couldn't breathe and

466
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:13,760
Speaker 2: it would continue for a little bit and then they'd

467
00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:16,000
Speaker 2: come out of it, and that was like a consistent story.

468
00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:19,360
Speaker 2: Anyone who stayed in that house in the guest room

469
00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:21,360
Speaker 2: had that same story the next day.

470
00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:26,600
Speaker 1: See people talk in the paranormal world about sleep paralysis

471
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:29,560
Speaker 1: a lot, and you know, a lot of people think

472
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:33,120
Speaker 1: that it's not there's no supernatural connection to it. But

473
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:37,000
Speaker 1: then you hear about like places where you multiple people

474
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:40,120
Speaker 1: stay at the same place and they experience that kind

475
00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:43,920
Speaker 1: of sensation. I mean, that's kind of strange. That to

476
00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:47,880
Speaker 1: me feels like more and now it could be there's

477
00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:54,360
Speaker 1: some kind of magnetic that's causing this. Yeah, who knows,

478
00:30:54,520 --> 00:31:00,280
Speaker 1: but to me, that sounds paranormal to me. The paranormal judge.

479
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:05,120
Speaker 2: Well, and I've just never seen how those two things

480
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:09,440
Speaker 2: have to be mutually exclusive, you know, Like so first

481
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:14,560
Speaker 2: of all, like it would be difficult odds for multiple people,

482
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:17,800
Speaker 2: multiple different people to stay in one place and all

483
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:21,560
Speaker 2: have the same experience and have it all be sleep paralysis.

484
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:24,640
Speaker 2: And then you bring in like scientific like maybe there's

485
00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:29,400
Speaker 2: magnetic fields or some sort of disturbance in that area

486
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:34,040
Speaker 2: caused by outside forces or whatever. But it's like how

487
00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:38,640
Speaker 2: do we know that ghosts and those scientific explanations aren't

488
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:42,960
Speaker 2: somehow all connected in one thing and being like a

489
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:45,719
Speaker 2: paranormal nerd and a sci fi nerd. It's like if

490
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:48,560
Speaker 2: you watch Doctor Who, you know, like ghosts can be

491
00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:51,080
Speaker 2: real and they can be explained by science, you know,

492
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:53,680
Speaker 2: like we just only perceive them and understand them to

493
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:54,800
Speaker 2: the best of our ability.

494
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:57,800
Speaker 1: Right, Well, that's the thing with ghosts. It's like there's

495
00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:01,240
Speaker 1: so many you know, we're dealing with a lot of

496
00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:05,520
Speaker 1: different subjects in school here, because we're talking about history,

497
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:08,160
Speaker 1: we're talking about science, we're talking about religion. Like there's

498
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:10,600
Speaker 1: so many things that go into it. And again, like

499
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:12,200
Speaker 1: you said, I don't think it has to be mutually

500
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:14,960
Speaker 1: one thing or the other. It kind of crosses a

501
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:19,560
Speaker 1: lot of lines. Which makes me think about witchcraft, which

502
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:23,920
Speaker 1: I know you have talked about practicing. Is that something

503
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:28,320
Speaker 1: that you think is supernatural? Because I strugg I sometimes

504
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:33,680
Speaker 1: I talk to people about witchcraft and I always wonder,

505
00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:38,240
Speaker 1: to me, it's not. I think. I think that society

506
00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:42,720
Speaker 1: has given it this kind of after generations and generations

507
00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:49,200
Speaker 1: of stigmatizing or whatever. We all know the stories, but like, uh,

508
00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:52,520
Speaker 1: do you find there to be supernatural elements to.

509
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:57,840
Speaker 2: It, you know, with the way that I understand and

510
00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:00,320
Speaker 2: practice witchcraft, I wouldn't call it supernw natural.

511
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:04,000
Speaker 4: I'd call it like ultra natural.

512
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:04,600
Speaker 5: You know.

513
00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:07,600
Speaker 2: It's kind of like it's less about things that you

514
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:11,880
Speaker 2: can't see and more about more about thinking about the

515
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:16,320
Speaker 2: things you can see, you know, like rather than rather

516
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:19,920
Speaker 2: than putting your faith in invisible deities, you're putting your

517
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:22,760
Speaker 2: faith in the earth and the nature that you're a

518
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:27,120
Speaker 2: part of, you know, right, and and kind of I

519
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:31,800
Speaker 2: mean like there are of course references to multiple invisible deities.

520
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:33,320
Speaker 4: But in witchcraft.

521
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:38,560
Speaker 2: But for me, it's always been about harnessing and focusing

522
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:43,520
Speaker 2: your own energy and harnessing and focusing the energy around you,

523
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:47,600
Speaker 2: you know, and of course in lots of my own practice,

524
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:51,440
Speaker 2: I'm like, I've always thought of it kind of like

525
00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:57,560
Speaker 2: I guess, kind of like magical placebos, if that makes

526
00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:00,640
Speaker 2: any sense. You know, When I like collect crystals and

527
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:05,440
Speaker 2: put them on my altar, it's less about me thinking

528
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:11,800
Speaker 2: that these crystals are, you know, shooting energy into me,

529
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:16,080
Speaker 2: and more about thinking that when I look at these crystals,

530
00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:19,840
Speaker 2: I'm reminded of the positive energy they're said to radiate.

531
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:22,200
Speaker 2: And then that like puts it in my mind and

532
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:27,640
Speaker 2: creates it for myself. When I'm invoking Hecatae or Lilith

533
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:32,640
Speaker 2: or Artemis or any goddess or or which you know,

534
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:36,640
Speaker 2: I'm I'm thinking about what that what that name, and

535
00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:42,160
Speaker 2: what that icon represents, and like, you know, in in

536
00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:46,200
Speaker 2: viewing myself with the power, I always uh, I always

537
00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:49,439
Speaker 2: say that, like, well, first of all, like witchcraft being

538
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:52,080
Speaker 2: stigmatized the way it has been was just another form

539
00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:57,359
Speaker 2: of patriarchal oppression for so long, you know, and so

540
00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:00,400
Speaker 2: there's all kinds of conditioning to believe that which craft

541
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:03,360
Speaker 2: is one thing or the other. But most witches I

542
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:08,759
Speaker 2: know today who practice like modern day practical witchcraft just

543
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:12,560
Speaker 2: say it's about like finding a way to live within

544
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:15,360
Speaker 2: the world that we live in in a way that

545
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:19,080
Speaker 2: makes you feel most powerful, empowered and effective.

546
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:19,400
Speaker 4: You know.

547
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:24,040
Speaker 2: It's all about it's all about how you treat yourself

548
00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:27,200
Speaker 2: and how you conduct yourself. It's it's like a philosophy

549
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:31,440
Speaker 2: for me, more than a religion or or a faith,

550
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:33,399
Speaker 2: you know, It's more like my worldview.

551
00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:39,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love that. I think that I'm like, oh,

552
00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:46,000
Speaker 1: I'm definitely crystal curious, Crystal light if you will. I'm

553
00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:48,279
Speaker 1: not like I have a couple of crystal but that

554
00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:51,480
Speaker 1: what you were talking about with that reminder or you

555
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:56,120
Speaker 1: know that, I'm very into that. I have many things

556
00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:59,480
Speaker 1: that I keep around me. I have, I mean, maybe

557
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:05,240
Speaker 1: I should not who but I have an old, moldy

558
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:10,000
Speaker 1: drag boob that belonged to a drag legend that I

559
00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:12,120
Speaker 1: keep with me that was given to me as a gift.

560
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:14,239
Speaker 1: And it's like a little like I just.

561
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:18,080
Speaker 6: Think about all the bars and the theaters and all

562
00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:20,360
Speaker 6: the places that it's been and I just like I

563
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:24,399
Speaker 6: hold on to it and and I guess I kind

564
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:25,439
Speaker 6: of do that same thing.

565
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:29,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean for me, it's like I like believing

566
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:34,480
Speaker 2: that courts crystals amplify energy, and I like believing that amethyst,

567
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:37,440
Speaker 2: you know, cleanses our ego.

568
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:40,560
Speaker 4: Like, but I also as it's.

569
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:42,080
Speaker 1: Also very beautiful to look at.

570
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:44,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, and they're gorgeous. You know.

571
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:47,680
Speaker 2: I always collected crystals as a child because I thought

572
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:49,960
Speaker 2: they would give me magic powers, you know, And it

573
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:52,800
Speaker 2: turns out they do. It's just much less like lightning

574
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:55,200
Speaker 2: coming out of your fingertips like you want to believe

575
00:36:55,239 --> 00:37:00,080
Speaker 2: as a child. But it's like I choose to, you know,

576
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:05,799
Speaker 2: to learn about crystals and to learn about like Practical

577
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:11,640
Speaker 2: Magic starring Sandra Bullock and Nicole Given. I choose to

578
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:14,759
Speaker 2: learn about these things and choose to believe in them,

579
00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:18,200
Speaker 2: but I also have to rationalize it as a as

580
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:20,200
Speaker 2: a realist, and that's when I come up with the

581
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:26,120
Speaker 2: placebo theory, you know, where it's like anything that has

582
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:30,279
Speaker 2: significance to you can be powerful. It's the power that

583
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:32,520
Speaker 2: you put into it and the power that you received

584
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:36,520
Speaker 2: from it that is significant. So like on my altar

585
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 2: there's a big bowl of crystals, but there's also gifts

586
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:41,120
Speaker 2: I've been.

587
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:41,799
Speaker 4: Given from people.

588
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:44,920
Speaker 2: I have a little like I have a beetle in

589
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:49,320
Speaker 2: clear resin that was given to me from Uh Devin

590
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:50,320
Speaker 2: by Devin Green.

591
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:52,879
Speaker 4: And I have a very similar thing.

592
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:55,520
Speaker 2: I think it's a bumblebee and clear resin that was

593
00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:59,759
Speaker 2: given to me by Katya. And it's funny those two

594
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:02,239
Speaker 2: people are kind of similar in the world, and they

595
00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:06,200
Speaker 2: both gift you with bugs covered in resins, and I

596
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:10,560
Speaker 2: have I have a photo of my grandmother over my

597
00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:15,440
Speaker 2: altar with a ring that I inherited from her. I

598
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:18,160
Speaker 2: have a friend who passed away very early in life,

599
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 2: and they had their ashes put into class pendants and

600
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:23,800
Speaker 2: I have that on my altar.

601
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:26,560
Speaker 4: So I have a lot of significant.

602
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:30,799
Speaker 2: You know, artifacts from throughout my life and from significant

603
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 2: people in my life that I put on my altar.

604
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:36,560
Speaker 2: And to me, they're radiating the energy because every time

605
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:39,200
Speaker 2: I look over there, I'm reminded of everything that's there

606
00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:41,840
Speaker 2: and all the all the love that has been passed

607
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:44,800
Speaker 2: on to me from significant people in my life.

608
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:48,040
Speaker 1: That's beautiful. I love that. Now do you when you

609
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 1: are like on the road, do you bring crystals with

610
00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:53,319
Speaker 1: you or any of.

611
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:54,360
Speaker 4: Those as I do.

612
00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:59,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have a travel bundle of crystals. I pack

613
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:05,680
Speaker 2: a little travel pouch and I did take this one

614
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:08,000
Speaker 2: crystal I've had since I was a child with me

615
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:12,000
Speaker 2: for drag Race and it was on my makeup station.

616
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:15,080
Speaker 2: And when I had my Tic Tac lunch with Bru Paul,

617
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:19,319
Speaker 2: I asked RW to hold my crystal and put some

618
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:23,239
Speaker 2: positive energy into it for me, and she did a

619
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:26,879
Speaker 2: very funny bit where she was like holding it and

620
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:28,960
Speaker 2: then started handing it to me and then said, wait,

621
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:31,040
Speaker 2: I'm not done, and took it back and like whispered

622
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:34,200
Speaker 2: something into it. I'll never know what she whispered. It

623
00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:37,719
Speaker 2: could have been like, get me the fuck out, But

624
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:41,360
Speaker 2: I call that my drag positivity Crystal. I've had many

625
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:45,280
Speaker 2: living legends hold that crystal and put in some positive

626
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:45,799
Speaker 2: thoughts for me.

627
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:47,800
Speaker 4: And it was come this.

628
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:51,520
Speaker 2: This was completely cut from from my season of Drag Race,

629
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:54,360
Speaker 2: and I was, you know, saying one day to my

630
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:57,600
Speaker 2: best friend Kenny, like, oh, I'm so sad I cut

631
00:39:57,640 --> 00:39:59,920
Speaker 2: my drag positivity.

632
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:00,759
Speaker 4: Crystal from my storyline.

633
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:04,600
Speaker 2: And he said, well, I mean, at that point, they

634
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:07,200
Speaker 2: they had so much to work with. They weren't also

635
00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:09,680
Speaker 2: going to be able to work in your crystal obsession

636
00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:13,719
Speaker 2: and your witchcraft, in with the with the narcolepsy and

637
00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:19,680
Speaker 2: right with everything you're crush on Ivy. It's like eventually

638
00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:21,799
Speaker 2: they had to say, Okay, she's got enough.

639
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:23,960
Speaker 4: Quirks.

640
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:35,319
Speaker 1: So basically what you're saying is, uh uh, you want

641
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:38,640
Speaker 1: drag Race because you're of witchcraft. Okay, gotta yeah.

642
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:41,920
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not saying I I'm not saying I

643
00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:42,719
Speaker 2: didn't win in.

644
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:47,879
Speaker 4: Drag Race because of witchcraft. At this point, however, I

645
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:49,040
Speaker 4: want it. I'll take it.

646
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:50,759
Speaker 1: I am you deserve it.

647
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:53,160
Speaker 2: I don't want to look a gift horse in the mouth.

648
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:57,120
Speaker 2: You know, well, I you know this.

649
00:40:57,400 --> 00:40:59,719
Speaker 1: Now here I go again like thinking, like I think

650
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:01,840
Speaker 1: I'm like a witch, but I just don't know what

651
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:06,080
Speaker 1: I'm talking about. But because I think and I hope

652
00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:09,000
Speaker 1: this is an offensive to witches. But I think that

653
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:13,319
Speaker 1: in like hocus Pocus, the infamac scene that made so

654
00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:15,239
Speaker 1: many of us drag queens, where they go and they

655
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:20,959
Speaker 1: perform at the little social dance gathering, but the spell

656
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:25,320
Speaker 1: on you that scene I think about in some of

657
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:28,160
Speaker 1: the best moments I've had on stage are these moments

658
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:30,120
Speaker 1: where I'm aut a place where people are kind of like,

659
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:33,560
Speaker 1: what is this person, I'm not really so sure about this,

660
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:36,840
Speaker 1: and then going on stage and like putting a spell

661
00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:40,640
Speaker 1: on an audience and making them be like, Okay, I'm

662
00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:44,400
Speaker 1: on board that now. I don't know if it actually

663
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:46,480
Speaker 1: is putting a spell on people, but I've also been

664
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:48,279
Speaker 1: in the audience for people doing that to me.

665
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:50,960
Speaker 4: And you've felt like there was a spell being put

666
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:51,399
Speaker 4: on you.

667
00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:55,160
Speaker 1: Exactly, yeah, and so, and I think that there's something

668
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:57,120
Speaker 1: metaphysical to that.

669
00:41:57,760 --> 00:41:58,000
Speaker 4: Yeah.

670
00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:01,319
Speaker 2: I so, like, I've been obsessed with witches since I

671
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:03,479
Speaker 2: was a child. I think I became a drag queen

672
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:06,960
Speaker 2: because to me, that was a way to become a witch,

673
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:10,040
Speaker 2: you know, it was a way to step into this

674
00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:14,080
Speaker 2: persona I had always seen myself as, and I.

675
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:14,799
Speaker 4: Wouldn't say that.

676
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:18,040
Speaker 2: Like, you know, witchcraft has never really been a big

677
00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:21,719
Speaker 2: part of the Jinx Monsoon persona until quite recently when

678
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:25,560
Speaker 2: I started practice practicing it much more in my personal life.

679
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:27,600
Speaker 2: It just kind of like sneaks its way into my

680
00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:33,600
Speaker 2: work too, like anything else. You know, But I think

681
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:36,239
Speaker 2: for so long because I was conditioned to believe that

682
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:38,680
Speaker 2: a witch is this, and a witch does this, and

683
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:43,120
Speaker 2: this is how witches behave from the cartoony to the

684
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:46,680
Speaker 2: you know, like to the dungeons and dragons playing, you know,

685
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:50,840
Speaker 2: goat's blood drinking, you know, goth teenagers we were warned

686
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:55,479
Speaker 2: about in high school. You know, I for so long

687
00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:58,799
Speaker 2: thought that witchcraft had to look a certain way, and

688
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:02,279
Speaker 2: then it turns out witchcraft is like like I said,

689
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:03,719
Speaker 2: it's kind of like a philosophy.

690
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:05,000
Speaker 4: It's like a worldview.

691
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:09,320
Speaker 2: It's something you choose to study, you choose to practice,

692
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:13,880
Speaker 2: and choose to self identify as. And it is much

693
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:19,920
Speaker 2: less stylized than than what our pop culture and media

694
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:23,560
Speaker 2: have taught us to believe. You know like, and what

695
00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:27,319
Speaker 2: I have to say is, since, like you know, practicing

696
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:31,040
Speaker 2: witchcraft in my own life and meeting a lot of

697
00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:38,240
Speaker 2: other really wonderful and influential witches, I've found that witches

698
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:42,200
Speaker 2: have just a great sense of humor about themselves. I

699
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:45,080
Speaker 2: haven't had I always like when I've done like which

700
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:52,279
Speaker 2: podcasts or had lunch with you know, influential witches, I'm

701
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:55,520
Speaker 2: always nervous that I'm gonna like they're going to be like,

702
00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:58,680
Speaker 2: you're not really a witch, like or they're gonna they're

703
00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:02,319
Speaker 2: going to be offended by something I say. And you know,

704
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:05,080
Speaker 2: I'm such an open book. I just like I'll tell

705
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:07,360
Speaker 2: you everything about me within the first ten minutes of

706
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:10,960
Speaker 2: knowing me. And what I've found is like, which is

707
00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:13,239
Speaker 2: just have a really good sense of humor about it,

708
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:18,040
Speaker 2: Like they typically don't take themselves too seriously because they're

709
00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:22,839
Speaker 2: so used to like witch stereotypes and they're just they're

710
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:25,120
Speaker 2: just regular people who practice witchcraft.

711
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:30,760
Speaker 1: But I'm sure that there's just like with drag queens,

712
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:33,080
Speaker 1: like once in a while you meet ones that are like,

713
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:35,799
Speaker 1: oh honey, you are not. So I'm sure that there's

714
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:38,799
Speaker 1: witches that are out there that are like girl. You

715
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:41,360
Speaker 1: do not have the hat. You do not have the roofs.

716
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:44,680
Speaker 4: Absolutely, I mean.

717
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:46,920
Speaker 1: Do you want to have a hat? It has to

718
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:50,000
Speaker 1: be six feet tall. That's how big your hat's got

719
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:50,120
Speaker 1: to be.

720
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:54,520
Speaker 2: They all kinds, and you know you've totally met those

721
00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:57,680
Speaker 2: people out in the world. If you've ever been to

722
00:44:57,719 --> 00:45:00,640
Speaker 2: San Francisco once, you know you've come across a crystal

723
00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:09,000
Speaker 2: shop where there where there's a there's a hardcore witch, uh.

724
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:12,000
Speaker 4: A purist there. If you're not wearing if you're not wearing.

725
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:19,120
Speaker 5: Woven wool afghan, I'm not crab that you made on

726
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:23,880
Speaker 5: a blood moon with your own placential sack, you know,

727
00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:27,600
Speaker 5: Like I don't know, but like yeah, I mean there's

728
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:32,000
Speaker 5: there's all degrees. It's just like there's drag queens who

729
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:34,640
Speaker 5: think they're doing it right and everyone else is doing

730
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:35,040
Speaker 5: it wrong.

731
00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:37,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, same goes for witches.

732
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:39,600
Speaker 1: Well, how did you get into it?

733
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:39,879
Speaker 5: Who?

734
00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:44,560
Speaker 1: Like, uh, was it from your curiosity about witches?

735
00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:50,839
Speaker 4: Yeah? It was kind of like I don't really remember when.

736
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:54,239
Speaker 2: I I mean, I have literally been collecting crystal since

737
00:45:54,239 --> 00:45:57,000
Speaker 2: I was a child, and my belief as a child

738
00:45:57,160 --> 00:45:59,640
Speaker 2: was one day I will find a magic crystal that

739
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:05,560
Speaker 2: will give me magic powers. And then my aunt, my mother,

740
00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:08,360
Speaker 2: and my grandma, who are the three women who raised

741
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:12,840
Speaker 2: me since childhood, you know, since birth. They were essentially

742
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:16,680
Speaker 2: all witches, but they were also you know, my grandma

743
00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:17,960
Speaker 2: practiced Catholicism.

744
00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:20,200
Speaker 4: My mom was really into Catholicism.

745
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:24,200
Speaker 2: My aunt studied all religions of the world and kind

746
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:27,600
Speaker 2: of made up her own religion. But like, you know,

747
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:31,160
Speaker 2: all of our rituals and practices were based in Catholicism,

748
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:34,480
Speaker 2: but the ones that my family actually practiced were the

749
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:39,319
Speaker 2: most witchy, like the most like borrowed from paganism of

750
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:40,839
Speaker 2: the Catholic rituals, you know.

751
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:43,040
Speaker 4: And my mom.

752
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:45,880
Speaker 2: One of my favorite stories of my mom is her

753
00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:48,400
Speaker 2: telling me because I told her I was playing Dungeons

754
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:51,600
Speaker 2: and Dragons, get this, Dungeons and Dragons live action role

755
00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:54,120
Speaker 2: playing with my Mormon friends in middle school.

756
00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:54,799
Speaker 4: That was me.

757
00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:00,799
Speaker 1: That's interesting because at that time there was definitely a

758
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:04,520
Speaker 1: time when that was like the devil, Like, yeah, playing

759
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:07,640
Speaker 1: Dungeons and Dragons was evil, and so it's interesting that

760
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:10,560
Speaker 1: like Mormons.

761
00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:13,160
Speaker 2: I know, I mean, like they were very liberal Mormons,

762
00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:15,800
Speaker 2: but when I'm saying we weren't playing Dungeons and Dragons,

763
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:18,000
Speaker 2: where we were like, you know, trying.

764
00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:20,240
Speaker 4: We were just live action. It was make believe.

765
00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:23,279
Speaker 2: It was like make believe for kids too old to

766
00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:29,000
Speaker 2: be playing wizards and witches, you know. But but I

767
00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:31,719
Speaker 2: told my mom this, and she got very freaked out.

768
00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:35,279
Speaker 2: My mom, who's told me the prophecies of the apocalypse

769
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:37,719
Speaker 2: since I was a child, and told me what to

770
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:41,080
Speaker 2: watch out for, and you know, like it's better to

771
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:44,839
Speaker 2: die starving than to die with the mark of the beast.

772
00:47:44,600 --> 00:47:47,040
Speaker 4: You know, that kind of stuff you tell a five year.

773
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:50,680
Speaker 1: Old bedtime story.

774
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:54,839
Speaker 2: She warned me about playing dungeons and dragons and how

775
00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:57,839
Speaker 2: it leads to dark things and stuff. And then we

776
00:47:57,880 --> 00:48:00,719
Speaker 2: stopped at a cemetery so that she could take some

777
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:03,160
Speaker 2: scrapings off a gravestone so she could sleep with it

778
00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:06,000
Speaker 2: under her pillow and possibly win the lottery. Like that's

779
00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:08,960
Speaker 2: the environment I was raised in, where I was warned

780
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:13,040
Speaker 2: about witchcraft by women who were totally practicing witchcraft but

781
00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:14,000
Speaker 2: would never.

782
00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:16,760
Speaker 4: Have called it that. So I think in lots of ways,

783
00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:17,840
Speaker 4: you know, lots of ways.

784
00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:21,640
Speaker 2: If you are someone who has a routine and a

785
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:25,600
Speaker 2: ritual that you adhere to, like your drag makeup, putting

786
00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:29,120
Speaker 2: on your drag makeup every time you get into drag

787
00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:32,759
Speaker 2: is a form of a magical ritual. And all that

788
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:36,440
Speaker 2: it takes to turn that into like you know, witchcraft,

789
00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:41,160
Speaker 2: is to put that kind of energy into it, you know,

790
00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:44,680
Speaker 2: like make it a sacred event for yourself, make it

791
00:48:44,719 --> 00:48:48,200
Speaker 2: a magical ritual for yourself, And that's all it really takes.

792
00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:51,919
Speaker 2: I think of myself as practicing witchcraft whenever I cook

793
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:55,960
Speaker 2: a big meal, because there's so much like effort and

794
00:48:56,120 --> 00:48:58,000
Speaker 2: toil that I put into it, and I think that

795
00:48:58,080 --> 00:49:01,480
Speaker 2: the magic comes out of the toil, you know. And

796
00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:04,040
Speaker 2: and when I'm like when I'm doing my makeup or

797
00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:06,840
Speaker 2: when I'm on stage and I'm like fully present in

798
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:09,920
Speaker 2: the song that I'm singing and I'm having that real

799
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:14,279
Speaker 2: authentic connection with the audience where like where we're having

800
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:17,560
Speaker 2: a conversation, you know, where we're fully engaged with each

801
00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:20,759
Speaker 2: other and there's nothing else on our minds except the

802
00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:22,879
Speaker 2: song that I am singing right now, in the song

803
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:26,600
Speaker 2: they are listening to. To me, that's that's practicing witchcraft.

804
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:31,160
Speaker 2: It's just you know, you've got to decide to put

805
00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:33,480
Speaker 2: that kind of energy into it and to take that

806
00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:38,680
Speaker 2: kind of inspiration from it, and and any ritual you

807
00:49:38,719 --> 00:49:40,160
Speaker 2: do can become magic.

808
00:49:43,080 --> 00:49:46,360
Speaker 1: That's great. Well, do you have any other ghost stories?

809
00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:47,799
Speaker 4: Oh? Let me think.

810
00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:53,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm trying to think of the You know what's

811
00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:56,759
Speaker 2: so funny is since since my grandma moved out of

812
00:49:56,760 --> 00:50:00,840
Speaker 2: that haunted house, a lot of the like ghost story.

813
00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:05,480
Speaker 2: It's so I've always been very frustrated that, you know,

814
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:07,759
Speaker 2: I was so young in that house that I don't

815
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:13,959
Speaker 2: really have any memories of the ghost experiences myself. I've

816
00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:16,760
Speaker 2: just heard about them from my family, and I haven't

817
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:22,520
Speaker 2: experienced too much in my you know, adult life, other

818
00:50:22,600 --> 00:50:27,680
Speaker 2: than there's this one time I am so certain and

819
00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:31,400
Speaker 2: it's hard to tell because I was, you know, blackout drunk.

820
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:37,640
Speaker 1: I do have a theory that that makes you your

821
00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:40,680
Speaker 1: your inhibitions are lowered. You're not worrying about all the

822
00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:44,000
Speaker 1: human bullshit that we worry about that keeps us blocked

823
00:50:44,040 --> 00:50:45,680
Speaker 1: from the spiritual realm.

824
00:50:45,880 --> 00:50:46,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's what I mean.

825
00:50:47,640 --> 00:50:49,879
Speaker 2: I do think, you know, I do think when our

826
00:50:50,080 --> 00:50:53,840
Speaker 2: inhibitions are lowered, when we're like more, when we have

827
00:50:54,040 --> 00:50:57,480
Speaker 2: less of our defenses up, when we have less of

828
00:50:57,520 --> 00:51:01,600
Speaker 2: our like cold heart laws blocking the way, we're more

829
00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:08,239
Speaker 2: receptive to things. But there was this time, and no

830
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:10,719
Speaker 2: one was you know, no one was with me too.

831
00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:13,120
Speaker 2: I should give a caveat that. I'm a year and

832
00:51:13,160 --> 00:51:15,120
Speaker 2: a half sober from booze at this.

833
00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:15,719
Speaker 4: Point, so.

834
00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:18,000
Speaker 1: I'm sober too.

835
00:51:18,120 --> 00:51:20,040
Speaker 4: I love the congratulations.

836
00:51:20,120 --> 00:51:21,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, before I tell this story of me being a

837
00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:25,040
Speaker 2: wretched drunk, but I was out one night.

838
00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:28,080
Speaker 4: This was in Seattle. This was pre drag race.

839
00:51:28,600 --> 00:51:32,640
Speaker 2: This was in my like party drag days when I

840
00:51:32,719 --> 00:51:37,680
Speaker 2: was flat broke and was scraping by just going from

841
00:51:37,719 --> 00:51:42,440
Speaker 2: gig to gig shortly after college. And I had this

842
00:51:42,560 --> 00:51:46,279
Speaker 2: habit of not eating very much on a day that

843
00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:49,359
Speaker 2: I had a show so that when the show's over

844
00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:51,640
Speaker 2: and I start drinking, I can get drunk a lot.

845
00:51:51,560 --> 00:51:53,359
Speaker 1: Fast, I know.

846
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:56,880
Speaker 4: So I had the day of all I ate. That

847
00:51:57,000 --> 00:51:59,840
Speaker 4: day was watermelon. It was in the middle of the summer.

848
00:51:59,840 --> 00:52:03,319
Speaker 2: And I had been out all night, you know, did

849
00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:06,400
Speaker 2: a gig and then got wasted and came home alone.

850
00:52:07,120 --> 00:52:09,359
Speaker 2: And I was on my hands and knees at one

851
00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:13,880
Speaker 2: point puking my guts out in my living room, and

852
00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:17,080
Speaker 2: I just remember that there was a person with me,

853
00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:20,319
Speaker 2: rubbing my back and telling me to get it all

854
00:52:20,360 --> 00:52:22,480
Speaker 2: out and that I can clean it up in the

855
00:52:22,520 --> 00:52:25,279
Speaker 2: morning and that everything's going to be okay as long

856
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:27,319
Speaker 2: as I get all of the poison out of me

857
00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:30,799
Speaker 2: right now and then go to sleep, you know, And

858
00:52:31,040 --> 00:52:35,320
Speaker 2: I like, you know, I've had plenty of blackout moments

859
00:52:35,320 --> 00:52:39,279
Speaker 2: where I remember something happening that didn't actually happen, but

860
00:52:40,239 --> 00:52:42,880
Speaker 2: you can't tell me, like, you can't convince me that

861
00:52:42,920 --> 00:52:46,200
Speaker 2: there wasn't. I've sometimes referred to it as an angel

862
00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:49,200
Speaker 2: who came to make sure that I puked everything up

863
00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:53,120
Speaker 2: before I got into bed and possibly, you know, puked

864
00:52:53,160 --> 00:52:57,120
Speaker 2: and drowned in my sleep. Personally, it's so dark, but

865
00:52:57,320 --> 00:52:59,000
Speaker 2: that's how I feel about it, you know.

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Speaker 1: I mean, we all, I think, have spirit GUIDs, guardian angels,

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Speaker 1: whatever you want to look at it, and that very

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Speaker 1: well could be okay. Well, that concludes part one of

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Speaker 1: my conversation with Jinks. Monsoon and next week we're going

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Speaker 1: to get into it more and we'll listen to some

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Speaker 1: EVPs next week, and you know, this week, if you

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Speaker 1: want to hear more on Patreon, you can hear Jinks

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Speaker 1: and I talking about, you know, what what life is

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Speaker 1: like being a drag queen of the pandemic. Right now,

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Speaker 1: and next week we have a great clip from Jinks

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Speaker 1: so uh so you can hear that on Patreon next week.

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Speaker 1: And that's only if you do a five star review though,

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Speaker 1: and Patreon dot com slash rolls Dress Falles. I am

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Speaker 1: Those are all there and we'll be back next week

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Speaker 1: with Jinks Monsoon Part two and more of me talking

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Speaker 1: about all kinds of spooky nonsense. I love you all,

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