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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: And welcome back to Coast to Coast George Nori with

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Speaker 2: you on our Paranormal podcast network. One of the great

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Speaker 2: programs we've had going on there for some time now

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Speaker 2: with Shades of the Afterlife with Sandra Champlain that deals with,

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Speaker 2: of course, the afterlife, something all of us are going

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Speaker 2: to have to face at one time. Sandra, welcome back.

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Speaker 3: Oh, thanks so much, George.

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Speaker 2: What kind of response are you getting to the Shades

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Speaker 2: of the Afterlife.

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Speaker 4: Oh, I get so many beautiful emails from people, and

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Speaker 4: as you know, there's lots and lots of listeners. There's

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Speaker 4: beautiful reviews that are showing up on the different podcasts,

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Speaker 4: you know, Spotify and Apple podcasts and things like that.

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Speaker 3: It is our biggest fear, I think as.

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Speaker 4: Human beings is what happens next? The ego we don't

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Speaker 4: want to die, We don't know what's next. And so

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Speaker 4: I get to uncover from science and medicine and spirituality,

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Speaker 4: all these wonderful conversations about what happens next, how we

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Speaker 4: can work through grief, and how do we have a

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Speaker 4: powerful life while we're here.

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Speaker 2: I was on YouTube. A couple of days ago, Sandra

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Speaker 2: and I popped a clip from Tiny Tim Remember him, Yes.

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Speaker 3: I do tiptoe through the tulips.

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Speaker 2: That guy in the in the clip was him collapsing

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Speaker 2: and dying on stage singing that song, and it was

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Speaker 2: just bizarre. But it struck me really strangely that you know,

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Speaker 2: the older we get, we're all going to face that

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Speaker 2: moment of death. In your in your opinion, at the

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Speaker 2: dying moment, what's it like, Well, for our.

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Speaker 3: Loved ones, not so pleasant.

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Speaker 4: For us, it's like falling asleep, but not just falling asleep,

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Speaker 4: but opening our eyes and our loved ones that have passed,

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Speaker 4: even our pets, are there with us.

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Speaker 3: And there's so much research.

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Speaker 4: One of my favorite people is doctor Christopher Kerr, who

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Speaker 4: wrote the book Death Is But a Dream. He's a hospice, palliotary,

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Speaker 4: palliative care doctor who studied over sixteen hundred people. And

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Speaker 4: before we pass those weeks and with some people it's months,

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Speaker 4: but days, weeks, maybe months before we pass, we start

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Speaker 4: seeing our loved ones, even in our pets. Like I said,

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Speaker 4: as clear as if you and I were in the

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Speaker 4: real conversations our loved ones. They look young, they look healthy.

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Speaker 4: Oftentimes people show up that they didn't even know we're dead.

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Speaker 4: You know, sometimes when they're close to passing, if someone dies,

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Speaker 4: the last thing they want to do is say, hey,

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Speaker 4: seeing verifiable information that they couldn't have known. So it

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Speaker 4: just shows that nobody goes alone. These loved ones tell us,

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Speaker 3: Hack your bag.

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Speaker 4: And so you hear stories of people passing with smiles

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Speaker 4: on their faces. And I just interviewed yesterday a critical

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Speaker 4: care doctor, George, doctor Adam Risavee, who he'll be on

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Speaker 4: the Shades of the Afterlife in a couple of weeks,

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Speaker 4: but he has pat had has had about five hundred

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Speaker 4: a journal for each one, just a little reverence for

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Speaker 4: the person as he knew them. But not only that

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Speaker 4: loved ones, there was a terminal lucidity where very often

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Speaker 4: people can spring back to life even if their brain did,

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Speaker 4: but not only that, weird things like the lights flickering

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Speaker 4: when you're in a crowd of people, you just feel

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Speaker 4: like it's crowded, he said. He and the other docors

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Speaker 4: coming to help the person the cross. So coming from

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Speaker 4: lets people know that science is actively involved in the afterlife.

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Speaker 2: What is it that got you interested in the afterlife?

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Speaker 2: Cent What happened?

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Speaker 3: It was my fear, George.

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Speaker 4: I woke up one day out of the blue, looking

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Speaker 4: And my mom speculates it's because I volunteered in nursing

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Speaker 4: wouldn't be talking to you here today. So maybe it

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Speaker 4: put arrest to that fear, George, and so I started

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Speaker 4: just studying everything I could about the afterlife. And then

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Speaker 3: As Skeptics, Discovery of Life after Death.

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Speaker 4: And here so many years later and two hundred and

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Speaker 4: seventy four episodes later of Shades of the Afterlife, I'm

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Speaker 2: When you put together the program Shades of the Afterlife

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Speaker 2: and people started getting interested. Were you always spiritual at

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Speaker 4: No, I don't even think I was spiritual at all.

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Speaker 4: I know that it sounds terrible, but I grew up Catholic.

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Speaker 4: So when I started researching the afterlife, it's like, there's

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Speaker 4: got to be something. There's got to be something more,

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Speaker 4: people who have had near death experiences they feel this

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Speaker 3: Forgiving, and being kind.

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Speaker 4: It really is as simple as that living life. So

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Speaker 2: But I do believe it's like the chicken in the egg,

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Speaker 4: I think the afterlife. It's said, this might sound silly,

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Speaker 4: You know, We're just here temporarily and then we go home.

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Speaker 2: With Sandra, Samplain will take calls next hour with Sandra's

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Speaker 2: do we talk about the afterlife? If you've lost somebody

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Speaker 2: I was looking at some old photos of somebodies of

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Speaker 4: But knowing that the loved ones are around, still talking

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Speaker 2: Santra champlain. As we talk about the afterlife right here

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Speaker 2: on Coast to Coast or a book is called We

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Speaker 2: Don't Die, a skeptics discovery of life after death. It's

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Speaker 2: just in credit possibility. Why does the human body die

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Speaker 4: I think the purpose for our soul really is to

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Speaker 4: All those times we push the envelope and we do

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Speaker 4: And someday we'll get home and we'll compare notes and like,

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Speaker 4: But as human beings, we forget who we really are.

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Speaker 4: Come here to learn, But we come here, George, and

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Speaker 4: and we're a victim of terrible things. But in reality,

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Speaker 4: you know what if every opportunity is an opportunity to

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Speaker 2: I have a friend who just lost somebody in a

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Speaker 2: car accident a couple days ago. Sandra and I have

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Speaker 2: to believe that kind of a death is instant, isn't

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Speaker 2: it without pain? Or do you feel something for that moment?

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Speaker 4: Instant without pain. I have spoken to mediums. I've practiced

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Speaker 4: mediumship just a little bit in classrooms. Also talk to

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Speaker 4: trance mediums, physical mediums. The whole world of it, and

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Speaker 4: those in the afterlife can take our soul if you will,

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Speaker 4: and bring it to the spirit world before we experienced

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Speaker 4: that pain. And even when someone's dying of cancer, say,

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Speaker 4: you know, I witnessed my poor father die a very

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Speaker 4: very painful death, and I hang on to those words

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Speaker 4: that his soul left his body before his physical body passed.

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Speaker 4: But when they come back through a medium, a good

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Speaker 4: medium with verifiable information, the message is clear, I did

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Speaker 4: not suffer. I was here and then I was there

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Speaker 3: Spot the dog.

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Speaker 4: So they didn't suffer. They don't have any memory of

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Speaker 4: any pain from this earth. They can just remember, you know,

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Speaker 4: the facts, but the pain and painful memories do not

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Speaker 4: carry on.

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Speaker 2: They just arrested a low life here in Saint Louis,

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Speaker 2: who's been robbing cemeteries of the Bronze earns that the

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Speaker 2: remains of people had been burned and buried in cremated.

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Speaker 3: That's terrible.

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Speaker 2: How low can you get?

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Speaker 3: Well, I like to believe that. I don't want to

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Speaker 4: But we all have this life review, whether we like

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Speaker 4: it or not. It's coming for us. There's nobody judging us,

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Speaker 4: saying you know you're going up, you're going down. But

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Speaker 4: it's more our soul taking a look at our life,

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Speaker 4: and we get to experience our actions as they impacted

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Speaker 4: other people. Some people call it like an omnimax theater

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Speaker 4: with all these screens playing at the same time, but

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Speaker 4: it's virtual, and so you feel your actions from the

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Speaker 4: other person's perspective, so that that grave robber, you know,

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Speaker 4: is going to feel the pain and the suffering of

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Speaker 4: all those people and gets to judge for themselves was

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Speaker 4: that the best use of their life on earth. Now,

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Speaker 4: the flip side of that is, after we go through

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Speaker 4: the negative stuff, we get to look at the positive things.

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Speaker 4: We get to look at all those little actions that

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Speaker 4: we did that are long forgotten and see the ripple

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Speaker 4: effect in other people's lives because of those kind things

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Speaker 4: that we did. So it all goes back to kindness,

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Speaker 4: George and no grave robbing.

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