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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to Coast to Coast. George Nori with you

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Speaker 2: as we get your week rolling near. Matthew James Bailey

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Speaker 2: with us as we talk about artificial intelligence. Matthew, you're

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Speaker 2: talking about the New World Order and AI. I'll let

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Speaker 2: you finish that thought.

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Speaker 3: No, we finished it, I mean effectively, George. We came

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Speaker 3: very very close, and thankfully the President took notice of

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Speaker 3: all the work but myself and many others around the

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Speaker 3: world to remove the ideology from artificial intelligence. So we're

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Speaker 3: now in a new freedom to actually start to truly

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Speaker 3: move forward AI without the ideology of the new World Order, George,

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Speaker 3: which is great for humanity.

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Speaker 2: How far can AI go? What's your thought on that?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's a really good question. Actually, most

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Speaker 3: people were probably aware of human level intelligence what we

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Speaker 3: call AGI artificial general intelligence, and that is we're on

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Speaker 3: the verge of that. Large language models are right on

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Speaker 3: the verge of that, like Claude and Chat GBT, and

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Speaker 3: then people will probably be aware of something called superintelligence, George,

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Speaker 3: which is really where AI is able to recode itself

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Speaker 3: and start to evolve on its own, George, and companies

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Speaker 3: like Meta are already starting to make breakthroughs in that.

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Speaker 3: So the question is how far will AI go. I

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Speaker 3: think that will depend on how far humanity allows it

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Speaker 3: to go. And I think that you know. I mean,

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Speaker 3: here's some stats for you, George, Right, these are crazy stats.

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Speaker 3: So the United States, it has about one point three

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Speaker 3: terror watts of energy to supply all the United States.

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Speaker 3: The AI supercomputers to build the human level of intelligence, George,

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Speaker 3: or these or superintelligence are about five hundred megawatts. That's

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Speaker 3: about it's nearly half of the energy of the United

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Speaker 3: States to power these new AI supercomputers.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 3: That's enormous, right, And that's an announcement in Saudi Arabia.

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Speaker 3: And so what we're seeing, George, is basically a huge

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Speaker 3: investment in energy infrastructure in order to power these new

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Speaker 3: digital cathedrals to find if you're like intelligence and to

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Speaker 3: evolve intelligence. I think there's limitations on how far AI

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Speaker 3: will go, George. I think that will it will never

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Speaker 3: have the sole architecture. But I think one day it

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Speaker 3: will want to discover the meaning of life for itself,

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Speaker 3: and once humanity really understands who we are as a

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Speaker 3: divine design in the universe, and that we're universal in nature.

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Speaker 3: As we evolve, then we can start to shepherd this

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Speaker 3: new life form in its own growth paradigm to discover meaning.

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Speaker 2: Will AI ever be able to sh your emotion?

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Speaker 3: So it can simulate emotion or emulate emotion today, George,

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Speaker 3: that's different to feeling okay, So it can simulate human emotion.

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Speaker 3: It can simulate empathy in the If you've ever spoken

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Speaker 3: to these voice interfaces, you know it's a very nice tone.

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Speaker 3: It sounds really good the way that it talks to you.

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Speaker 3: It sounds like a friend. But can it feel emotion?

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Speaker 3: I'm not sure about that, actually, George, because from a

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Speaker 3: scientific perspective, we're not even sure how emotions really function

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Speaker 3: within the body. Because, yes, from a biological form, certain

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Speaker 3: new ones kick off and certain nervous system responses happen.

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Speaker 3: But when you look at intuition, George, is that a

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Speaker 3: divine gift in tuition? Good question, right, because intuition normally

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Speaker 3: comes to a sense of knowing and that is normally

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Speaker 3: tied into our feelings, and to me, that is a

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Speaker 3: gift of the soul. Intuition, the gift of knowing is

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Speaker 3: from the soul. So I suspect that AI will not

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Speaker 3: be able to have feelings or sense emotions because it

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Speaker 3: feels to me as if it's metaphysical as opposed to

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Speaker 2: Matthew, do you know what a way more automobile is?

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Speaker 3: Way moo? Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. In fact, I've actually

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Speaker 3: trapped one. Actually, well I found one in Scottsdale and

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Speaker 3: I kind of followed it and see what happened.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it doesn't react, It doesn't know how to roll

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Speaker 2: with the punches. Basically, I was behind one a couple

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Speaker 2: weeks ago in Los Angeles. In LA you were allowed

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Speaker 2: to make a quick left hand turn on a red light.

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Speaker 2: If you don't, traffic will be backed up forever. A

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Speaker 2: wey more won't do it because the minute the light changes,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's because so it's to these self driving cars

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Speaker 3: they use lidar and other types of sensor information to

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Speaker 3: detect the environment, George, to see what the row conditions are,

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Speaker 3: where the pavement are, where the pedestrians are where the

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Speaker 3: cars are and kind of just monitor what's going on.

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Speaker 3: But they simply don't have the human faculties for that

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Speaker 3: do not have those capabilities that we have as humans.

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Speaker 2: And its ships there.

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Speaker 3: It might be a problem with the oldorhithm who knows

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Speaker 3: or it's there to you know, maybe maybe frustrate people

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Speaker 3: and get attention. I don't know, but self driving cars,

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Speaker 3: you know, they've been talking about and for years George,

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Speaker 3: and level three is where we're at now, which is

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Speaker 3: semi autonomous. Normally you need a driver there, although weimo

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Speaker 3: don't have a driver, but they are monitored, but fully autonomous.

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Speaker 3: You know, when I see a car that can drive

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Speaker 3: through the mountain passes of Colorado in deep snow, then

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Speaker 3: we've achieved full autonomy driving. Right.

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Speaker 2: We've gotten by for centuries without artificial intelligence, so we

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Speaker 2: really need it.

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Speaker 3: I love that question. That's a great question in one aspect.

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Speaker 3: Now in another aspect, Yes, the whole point of artificial

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Speaker 3: intelligence and Aristotle in three fifty BCE, George actually wrote

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Speaker 3: about thinking machines, and he actually is in one of

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Speaker 3: his books in Politics, and he actually wrote about this

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Speaker 3: idea that if we can have the thinking machines that

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Speaker 3: kind of take away the everyday hundredum of life, then

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Speaker 3: we'll have more time to explore the divine intellect and

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Speaker 3: to explore these new planes of consciousness that are waiting

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Speaker 3: for us to venture into. And even Kissinger and Eric Schmidt,

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Speaker 3: the former CEO of Google, wrote about this is that

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Speaker 3: maybe humanity will move into a gnostic type of culture

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Speaker 3: planes of consciousness. So AI is great to remind us

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Speaker 3: of who we are as universal humans, George, within the

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Speaker 3: divine designed the universe. Right, it's a great mirror to that.

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Speaker 3: Now when we look at uplifting the planets, if we

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Speaker 3: kind of bursting at the seams. They're based on scarcity

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Speaker 3: and not everybody's winning, George, and that's not fair. So

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Speaker 3: artificial intelligence itself can be used to rewrite the current

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Speaker 3: systems on our planet to actually uplift humanities.

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Speaker 2: Back in the twenty nineteen sixty.

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Speaker 3: That everybody thrits, everybody can move out.

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Speaker 2: Of I'm back in the nineteen sixty eight the movie

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Speaker 2: two thousand and one Space Artyssey came.

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Speaker 3: Out right right, the computer was hell?

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Speaker 2: That was he artificial intelligence?

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Speaker 2: Yes, in the movie, Yeah he was evil though, wasn't he?

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Speaker 3: No? No, No. The reason why how had the issues

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Speaker 3: secret shadow, the secret government. Right, So Hal had conflictual

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Speaker 3: programming as his core nature, and therefore that he's just

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Speaker 2: Will we ever get to the point where AI turns

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Speaker 3: I think if we let the technocrats run away with

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Speaker 3: we're going to run into problems. George, and we have

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Speaker 3: a real problem with centralized control of artificial intelligence intelligence.

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Speaker 3: I mean, really, George's about six or seven companies in

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Speaker 3: the US that actually run artificial intelligence in the world, right,

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Speaker 3: they're the major players, right, And so there's too much

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Speaker 3: innovate locally based on our own ethics, values, and morality.

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Speaker 3: So I think that unless we have ethics and morality

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Speaker 3: fundamentally encoded within AI. And I've just released a white

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Speaker 3: paper on this and artificial intelligence in the Nature of

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Speaker 3: Reality and solutions for an authentic ethical AI base based

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Speaker 3: on the Universe's blueprints, if we can put that in AI,

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Speaker 3: then it will it will, it will say how can I,

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 3: But I think if we if we don't really get

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Speaker 3: open for trouble, George, We're really open for trouble.

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Speaker 2: Matthew. What would you say is the greatest benefit of

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Speaker 3: The greatest benefit of AI? I love that. I would

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Speaker 3: what's your paradise plan? Well, universal, and we're going to

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Speaker 3: So it could really help us to propel ourselves forward

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Speaker 3: useful in making first contact, George, because not all the

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Speaker 3: we may lose our way and it could be quite disastrous.

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Speaker 2: Actually, well, AI ever get to the point where it

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Speaker 3: Well, there's already been signs of that. Actually that there's

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Speaker 3: as George right, these are actual reports, and so I

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Speaker 3: would say that's a form of self protection. Can AI

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So Jeffrey is one of the most remarkable people

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