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Speaker 1: Welcome to the NFL Legends Podcast, an NFL podcast for

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Speaker 1: the players, by the players. Here is your host, four

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Speaker 1: teen year NFL veteran and Hall of Famer Aenius Williams. Hello,

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the NFL Legends Podcast. I am a Nius Williams.

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Speaker 1: We're hosting our podcast series remotely during this COVID nineteen crisis,

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Speaker 1: which has touched us all in some way. Today we're

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Speaker 1: going to talk with a legend who is doing his

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Speaker 1: part to make an impact on his community during this

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Speaker 1: challenging time with us today. Is one of the people

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Speaker 1: who actually helped inspire this podcast series, so I'm most

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Speaker 1: grateful to him, the Great Receiver Brandon Marshall. Brandon and

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Speaker 1: his wife Mishi recently created a program called Few the

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Speaker 1: front Lines, which provides much needed recovery, space, tools, and

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Speaker 1: nutrition to healthcare workers doing this COVID nineteen pandemic. Welcome Brandon.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much, and you're so nice. You're talking

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Speaker 1: about a legend. Oh my goodness. I mean you're the

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Speaker 1: ultimate legend, not only on the field but off the field.

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Speaker 1: Love what you're doing in the community and and with

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Speaker 1: people around the world. So thanks for having us and

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Speaker 1: and thank you for paving a way for men like myself,

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Speaker 1: like Shawn, what we're supposed to be like. This is

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Speaker 1: like you know, you you set the example. This is

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Speaker 1: what the NFL player looks like. This is what the

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Speaker 1: NFL family looks like. You know. So coming in and

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Speaker 1: just catching balls and and taking all the good from

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Speaker 1: the NFL not giving back. Uh, it's not the way

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Speaker 1: to do it. And uh, I really appreciate you. So

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Speaker 1: what we're doing with few of the front lines, um,

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Speaker 1: really is an extension of not only you, but all

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Speaker 1: of our greats in the NFL. Don't the work that

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Speaker 1: you guys have done. So you're trying to give me

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Speaker 1: the cry before we even get to talk you here, right,

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Speaker 1: because legs right, especially you, you know you're known to

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Speaker 1: get emotional. But thank you for those kind words. But

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Speaker 1: really we're living, probably doing one of the most challenging

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Speaker 1: times of the central let alone our generation. So before

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Speaker 1: we start, this is the first time we've had you

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Speaker 1: on and it was your idea to Tracy Pearlman about

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Speaker 1: recreating the experience of guys talking openly about all topics

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Speaker 1: in the hot tub cold tub that helped lead us

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Speaker 1: to create this podcast. So thank you for doing that.

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Speaker 1: And Brandon, real quick speak, Why the I have a

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Speaker 1: program I do with men I call the locker room

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Speaker 1: whoever's listening, why the that hot tub locker room experience

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Speaker 1: is so important? Well, let's go back a couple of years.

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Speaker 1: I was in York plan for the Jets and um

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Speaker 1: calling calling Kaepernick hit right, and this was a big deal.

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Speaker 1: And you know, we go through media training, we have

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Speaker 1: people coming out, come out every single year to talk

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Speaker 1: in front of our beat reporters and writers, and uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, this calling Kaepernick hick thing hits And we're

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Speaker 1: all in the locker room as players, like, Okay, what

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Speaker 1: You know? And in the New York Jets locker room,

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Speaker 1: have had you. No, we didn't have British the brickishaw

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Speaker 1: Uh So we put those things to the side and

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Speaker 1: us through sport. You know, Brandon, all of a sudden,

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Speaker 1: conversation about the disproportional Oh, Yeah, just just just just

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Speaker 1: saying that it was really about the disproportional impact that's

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Speaker 1: to the virus. But my point in making that so sling,

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Speaker 1: Just get him on your podcasts and you're straight come out.

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Speaker 1: I promise you. You You know. Yes, it's amazing. One of

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Speaker 1: the things that sports, particularly football, it brings back the

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Speaker 1: our country. But let's talk about few the front lines.

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Speaker 1: Give me a description of what do you do what

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Speaker 1: few the front lines? Two things, and these are things

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Speaker 1: that you have done your entire Careerities are things that

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Speaker 1: recovery rooms in hospitals. What does that look like? Massage

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Speaker 1: So we're going to we're setting out to raise two

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Speaker 1: as you spoke to the general public. Thank you so much, Brandon.

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Speaker 1: This has been terrific. Thanks for joining us and thanks

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Speaker 1: for listening in. The best is yet to come, Yes, sir,

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