1 00:00:01,080 --> 00:00:04,520 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you Should Know from House Stuff Works 2 00:00:04,519 --> 00:00:13,720 Speaker 1: dot com. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark. 3 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:16,479 Speaker 1: With me is always a Charles W. Chuck Bryant, and 4 00:00:16,480 --> 00:00:20,480 Speaker 1: there's Jerry and the three of us together our Stuff 5 00:00:20,480 --> 00:00:26,160 Speaker 1: you should Know. Hey, buddy, he's going there. Uh, it's 6 00:00:26,160 --> 00:00:28,760 Speaker 1: going pretty good. I have to say this was one 7 00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:32,720 Speaker 1: of the better articles I've read in recent memory. Wow 8 00:00:32,760 --> 00:00:36,520 Speaker 1: by Mr Jonathan Strickland, our nemesis at text Stuff. Yeah, 9 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:39,239 Speaker 1: he wrote a great article on sign language arch nemesis 10 00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:42,600 Speaker 1: who knew. Yeah, I had no idea that he knew anything. Yeah, 11 00:00:42,720 --> 00:00:45,040 Speaker 1: It's like there's, uh, there's nothing about the future of 12 00:00:45,040 --> 00:00:47,360 Speaker 1: sign language and here it's just sign language. Yeah. And 13 00:00:47,360 --> 00:00:48,879 Speaker 1: this is one of those where I knew really not 14 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:50,840 Speaker 1: much about it and it was just a delight to learn, 15 00:00:50,960 --> 00:00:54,600 Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, and uh, he basically just did American 16 00:00:54,640 --> 00:00:57,760 Speaker 1: sign language. Yeah. I have the impression that if he'd 17 00:00:57,760 --> 00:01:01,760 Speaker 1: tried to expand it, it would have really gotten unwieldy quick. 18 00:01:01,760 --> 00:01:05,000 Speaker 1: So it's a good editorial decision, good writing. Well, that's 19 00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:07,280 Speaker 1: one of the things I didn't know. I didn't even 20 00:01:07,319 --> 00:01:11,040 Speaker 1: know that that there are hundreds of sign languages. I 21 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:13,880 Speaker 1: kind of thought it was all the same. But he 22 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:17,920 Speaker 1: makes a point even that you may be better able 23 00:01:17,920 --> 00:01:21,120 Speaker 1: to communicate with someone speaking French sign language because that 24 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:24,199 Speaker 1: was the basis of American sign language than to speak 25 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:28,199 Speaker 1: sign language if you're American with someone speaking British sign language. Yeah, 26 00:01:28,240 --> 00:01:32,319 Speaker 1: because it's just different. Sharing a common spoken language with 27 00:01:32,360 --> 00:01:35,360 Speaker 1: another country does not mean there's nothing to do with 28 00:01:35,400 --> 00:01:39,000 Speaker 1: that there that they share common sign language. No, um. 29 00:01:39,040 --> 00:01:41,440 Speaker 1: And that's a really good point because it reveals that 30 00:01:41,800 --> 00:01:45,800 Speaker 1: the death community has over time just basically said we're 31 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:48,840 Speaker 1: gonna do this ourselves. Yeah. And it even gets to 32 00:01:48,960 --> 00:01:53,280 Speaker 1: the point where regional dialects just like a regular spoken language. 33 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:56,680 Speaker 1: It basically just as a regular language. The more I 34 00:01:56,720 --> 00:01:58,080 Speaker 1: read it, the morrow is like, this is just like 35 00:01:58,200 --> 00:02:02,240 Speaker 1: speaking English or speaking so othern English or Midwestern English. 36 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:05,320 Speaker 1: You know. Yeah. And you know, depending on your community, 37 00:02:05,360 --> 00:02:07,600 Speaker 1: the community you're raised in, the type of house you're 38 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:13,360 Speaker 1: raised in. Um, that's what will necessitate what kind of 39 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:18,240 Speaker 1: sign language you learn or develop or whatever. Yeah, it is, um. 40 00:02:18,280 --> 00:02:21,320 Speaker 1: And well let's talk about the history of this a 41 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:25,079 Speaker 1: little bit first. So Chuck, you know, humans have a 42 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:29,040 Speaker 1: long and storied history of mistreating groups that are different 43 00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:33,240 Speaker 1: from everybody else. It's what makes America great, not just America. 44 00:02:33,360 --> 00:02:38,160 Speaker 1: It goes back even for the humanity, the the deaf community. UM. 45 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:43,120 Speaker 1: Up until shamefully recently, Um, we're kind of one of 46 00:02:43,160 --> 00:02:46,720 Speaker 1: those groups that were just kind of mistreated. Um. The Torah, 47 00:02:46,760 --> 00:02:51,360 Speaker 1: for example, forbids deaf people from fully participating in some 48 00:02:51,440 --> 00:02:54,880 Speaker 1: of the rituals in the temple. Um. The ancient Greeks 49 00:02:54,880 --> 00:02:59,639 Speaker 1: wouldn't allow deaf people to be educated. Uh. St Augustine, 50 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:04,520 Speaker 1: Saint Augustine, he's a saint for goodness sake, he taught 51 00:03:04,600 --> 00:03:08,160 Speaker 1: that deaf people were evidence that God was angry at 52 00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:12,600 Speaker 1: their parents. Wow. Yeah. It wasn't until about the Renaissance 53 00:03:13,120 --> 00:03:16,960 Speaker 1: that anybody finally took a stab at educating deaf people. 54 00:03:17,040 --> 00:03:20,799 Speaker 1: And they found pretty quickly that oh, they just can't hear. 55 00:03:21,639 --> 00:03:25,359 Speaker 1: That's the thing, right, they can learn very quickly and 56 00:03:25,639 --> 00:03:28,799 Speaker 1: h just like you and me. So that kind of 57 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:32,440 Speaker 1: became the springboard once people figured out that you can't 58 00:03:32,520 --> 00:03:37,200 Speaker 1: educate deaf people to them being included more into a 59 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:42,040 Speaker 1: normal society. Um. But for a long time they were mistreated. Uh, 60 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:46,400 Speaker 1: and as a result, I think they kind of um, 61 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:49,120 Speaker 1: well I'm speculating here, but I think they kind of 62 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:52,680 Speaker 1: said we're gonna handle this ourselves. Like I said, like, 63 00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:55,080 Speaker 1: we're going to develop our own language, take matters into 64 00:03:55,080 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 1: our own hands. Literally. Yeah, And um, that's where signed 65 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:04,640 Speaker 1: languages started to come from. Just necessities, the mother of inventions. 66 00:04:05,360 --> 00:04:07,880 Speaker 1: You need to be able to communicate with people around you, 67 00:04:08,280 --> 00:04:12,000 Speaker 1: and so sign language developed in communities where there were 68 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:15,640 Speaker 1: deaf people who were accepted and not just kind of 69 00:04:15,640 --> 00:04:18,200 Speaker 1: put to the side. Yeah, before it was even uh, 70 00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:21,040 Speaker 1: they were getting official with it. People were using sign 71 00:04:21,080 --> 00:04:23,600 Speaker 1: language right because they were like, well, I don't care 72 00:04:23,600 --> 00:04:25,320 Speaker 1: if you're gonna make it some official language or not. 73 00:04:25,440 --> 00:04:27,440 Speaker 1: We need to talk to each other exactly. We're gonna 74 00:04:27,440 --> 00:04:29,120 Speaker 1: figure it out. And not only do they need to 75 00:04:29,160 --> 00:04:30,719 Speaker 1: talk to each other, they need to talk to the 76 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:33,400 Speaker 1: community at large as well. And there's actually this really 77 00:04:33,400 --> 00:04:36,839 Speaker 1: cool story on Martha's Vineyard. There was up to a 78 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:40,400 Speaker 1: quarter of the population when they moved over here from England. 79 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:45,520 Speaker 1: Um they were an isolated population. So um there they 80 00:04:45,960 --> 00:04:49,039 Speaker 1: suffered what was called the founder's effect, where the population 81 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:53,000 Speaker 1: just kind of bottlenecked. And these families and are married, 82 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:57,440 Speaker 1: but they didn't marry outside of their group. So deafness 83 00:04:57,520 --> 00:05:01,839 Speaker 1: was hereditary. Deafness was a a trade that was passed 84 00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:03,920 Speaker 1: along the group. So up to a quarter one and 85 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:07,320 Speaker 1: four people in this community were death right. As a 86 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:10,080 Speaker 1: result of this community on Martha's Vineyard in the early 87 00:05:10,160 --> 00:05:13,960 Speaker 1: eighteenth century having up to a quarter of its population death, 88 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:17,800 Speaker 1: a specific type of sign language called Martha's Vineyard Sign 89 00:05:17,880 --> 00:05:20,760 Speaker 1: Language developed, and not only were the death in the 90 00:05:20,760 --> 00:05:24,159 Speaker 1: community proficient, and everybody in the community was proficient in it, 91 00:05:24,760 --> 00:05:28,120 Speaker 1: and up until nineteen fifty two when the last death 92 00:05:28,400 --> 00:05:33,960 Speaker 1: Martha's Vineyard resident, Martha's Vineyard board resident died, that's when 93 00:05:33,960 --> 00:05:36,120 Speaker 1: it became extinct. So they were practicing it from about 94 00:05:36,160 --> 00:05:40,360 Speaker 1: seventeen hundred to nineteen fifty two. And apparently um Oliver 95 00:05:40,520 --> 00:05:43,320 Speaker 1: Sacks went and interviewed some of these people for part 96 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:45,480 Speaker 1: of a book. Man He's always on it, he is, 97 00:05:46,080 --> 00:05:50,200 Speaker 1: um and uh he's He reported that some of these elders, 98 00:05:50,240 --> 00:05:55,400 Speaker 1: these Martha's Vineyard elders um reverted to sign language while 99 00:05:55,440 --> 00:05:57,359 Speaker 1: they were talking, and so they were coming in and 100 00:05:57,360 --> 00:05:59,880 Speaker 1: out of speech and sign language and apparently weren't even 101 00:05:59,880 --> 00:06:01,800 Speaker 1: a where that they were doing it. That's awesome, and 102 00:06:01,839 --> 00:06:03,760 Speaker 1: they were not deaf. That might be the fact of 103 00:06:03,839 --> 00:06:07,120 Speaker 1: the show Martha's Vineyard time language. Yeah, it could be 104 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:09,799 Speaker 1: one of them. I think there's a bunch in here. Yeah, agreed. 105 00:06:10,520 --> 00:06:13,440 Speaker 1: Uh So, if we're talking about history, we have to 106 00:06:13,440 --> 00:06:16,200 Speaker 1: go back to the early eighteen hundreds, uh to a 107 00:06:16,279 --> 00:06:20,760 Speaker 1: dude named Thomas Hopkins Galladet and Um. He was a 108 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:23,520 Speaker 1: minister to the deaf, and he went to Europe because, 109 00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:25,560 Speaker 1: like we said, in France is where it's sort of 110 00:06:25,560 --> 00:06:29,479 Speaker 1: originated officially, and he wanted to learn some techniques on 111 00:06:29,520 --> 00:06:32,039 Speaker 1: how to teach this stuff. I met a guy named 112 00:06:32,560 --> 00:06:40,000 Speaker 1: Roche ambrose Q Curon Cicard who was in Abbe. It's 113 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:43,000 Speaker 1: a title. He's like a clergyman. Um. He was the 114 00:06:43,040 --> 00:06:45,440 Speaker 1: director of the School of the Deaf in Paris, and 115 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:47,760 Speaker 1: he learned some stuff from him, and then plucked one 116 00:06:47,760 --> 00:06:51,520 Speaker 1: of his students, Laurence Clerk, and said, Hey, there's big 117 00:06:51,560 --> 00:06:53,919 Speaker 1: money in this, let's go start a school in the 118 00:06:53,960 --> 00:06:58,240 Speaker 1: United States. That probably wasn't his motivation, although you never know, 119 00:06:58,440 --> 00:06:59,920 Speaker 1: nothing wrong with making a little money by starting a 120 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:03,599 Speaker 1: cool sure. Uh So they established the American School for 121 00:07:03,640 --> 00:07:08,239 Speaker 1: the Deaf in eighteen seventeen in uh Hotford, Connecticut, and 122 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:11,440 Speaker 1: UM went on like they incorporated what they learned in 123 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:14,240 Speaker 1: France with what was already going on in the United States, right, 124 00:07:14,240 --> 00:07:16,600 Speaker 1: which is why, like you said, Um, if you were 125 00:07:16,640 --> 00:07:19,400 Speaker 1: an American sign language speaker and you go to France 126 00:07:19,440 --> 00:07:22,240 Speaker 1: and you're speaking with a French sign language speaker, you'll 127 00:07:22,280 --> 00:07:26,680 Speaker 1: probably be successful because American sign language is partially rooted 128 00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:29,240 Speaker 1: in French sign language. Yeah, more so than like going 129 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:33,040 Speaker 1: to England. This so weird to think about. Yeah. Um. 130 00:07:33,080 --> 00:07:36,440 Speaker 1: And they ended up founding as well, Gallaudet University and 131 00:07:36,760 --> 00:07:40,600 Speaker 1: d C Go Bisons, Is that right? Yeah, they got 132 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:43,120 Speaker 1: a football team. I played for the Beverly Bisons in 133 00:07:43,320 --> 00:07:47,640 Speaker 1: elementary school. Really, I'm a Bison. It's pretty cool though, 134 00:07:47,640 --> 00:07:51,040 Speaker 1: they got a football team all deaf and or hard 135 00:07:51,040 --> 00:07:53,360 Speaker 1: of hearing. And it's cool to watch the video, like 136 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:56,440 Speaker 1: you know, the coaches given like the motivational speech and 137 00:07:56,440 --> 00:07:58,760 Speaker 1: he's signing at the same time and it's not this 138 00:07:58,760 --> 00:08:00,600 Speaker 1: thing is kind of neat. That is cool. And I 139 00:08:00,640 --> 00:08:03,680 Speaker 1: thought about this too. Probably not affected by home field 140 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:06,840 Speaker 1: advantage or not. Oh the noise, yeah, I wonder though, 141 00:08:06,880 --> 00:08:12,280 Speaker 1: like the tremble nous of it, of that much the sound, 142 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:17,960 Speaker 1: this sound waves, the physical waves hitting you well, but yeah, true, 143 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:20,400 Speaker 1: but it's not the same as you know, NFL teams 144 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:22,680 Speaker 1: when they go to visit like Seattle, they have they 145 00:08:22,680 --> 00:08:26,640 Speaker 1: work out all these sign language uh for each other. Oh, 146 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:27,880 Speaker 1: I see it. You know what I'm saying. I thought 147 00:08:27,920 --> 00:08:30,320 Speaker 1: you might getting psyched out by like the crowd noise. No, 148 00:08:30,440 --> 00:08:32,120 Speaker 1: I mean, like not being able to hear when you're 149 00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:33,760 Speaker 1: changing a play at the line of scrimmage. That these 150 00:08:33,800 --> 00:08:38,480 Speaker 1: signs and these guys are like, UM. So anyway, go 151 00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:42,559 Speaker 1: bisonce uh. And that is a school of more than 152 00:08:43,280 --> 00:08:48,280 Speaker 1: students today, although they're not all death. About five UM 153 00:08:48,520 --> 00:08:50,880 Speaker 1: may consist of hearing students, which I thought was interesting 154 00:08:51,160 --> 00:08:53,720 Speaker 1: because I guess it's just you know, it's good school, yeah, 155 00:08:53,800 --> 00:08:56,440 Speaker 1: you know. And it says here in the article that 156 00:08:56,520 --> 00:09:00,559 Speaker 1: there was a controversy among the students and some of 157 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:03,000 Speaker 1: the faculty, and I looked it up and apparently there 158 00:09:03,120 --> 00:09:06,439 Speaker 1: was a an incoming president in like the mid two 159 00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:10,840 Speaker 1: thousand's who was born death but it had been raised 160 00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:17,040 Speaker 1: to um to speak rather than sign, and apparently most 161 00:09:17,080 --> 00:09:19,120 Speaker 1: of the students were not very happy about that because 162 00:09:19,240 --> 00:09:22,960 Speaker 1: they didn't think she was planning on emphasizing sign language, 163 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:25,280 Speaker 1: and they wanted to make sure that sign language was 164 00:09:25,360 --> 00:09:33,280 Speaker 1: like the the um the main method of communication. Interesting. Um, so, 165 00:09:33,400 --> 00:09:35,440 Speaker 1: like we said, we're gonna be talking about ASL mainly, 166 00:09:36,280 --> 00:09:40,839 Speaker 1: which has its own grammar and syntax and phonology, which 167 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:43,200 Speaker 1: if you're talking about speaking, it's a study of sounds, 168 00:09:43,480 --> 00:09:45,920 Speaker 1: which I'm not signing. It is the hand movements and 169 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:51,400 Speaker 1: signals and motions. Phonology. Yeah, yeah, it's the It's how 170 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:56,120 Speaker 1: in the sixties some researcher discovered that sign language isn't 171 00:09:56,120 --> 00:09:59,800 Speaker 1: made up of a distinct sign for everything, right, there's 172 00:09:59,800 --> 00:10:06,080 Speaker 1: a discrete set of hand gestures, movements that you can 173 00:10:06,200 --> 00:10:10,240 Speaker 1: change and alter to make different words or concepts, and 174 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:12,840 Speaker 1: that that would be phonology. Right. Yeah, it's kind of 175 00:10:12,920 --> 00:10:15,560 Speaker 1: like I don't think we pointed out sign language. American 176 00:10:15,559 --> 00:10:19,840 Speaker 1: sign language is not literally trying to translate each word 177 00:10:19,920 --> 00:10:22,560 Speaker 1: someone speaks. It's about the concept and getting the point 178 00:10:22,559 --> 00:10:24,920 Speaker 1: across of what someone is saying. And we'll get into 179 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:26,680 Speaker 1: that it'll make more sense in a minute. So, but 180 00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:29,520 Speaker 1: that's phonology and phonology as far as speech goes, would 181 00:10:29,520 --> 00:10:34,599 Speaker 1: be syllables, yeah, sounds, this is like hand like in 182 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:39,400 Speaker 1: a gesture or whatever. Uh. And morphology, which if you're speaking, 183 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:43,320 Speaker 1: that is how words are formed from basic sounds, and 184 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:46,839 Speaker 1: in sign language that's the way you're uh. Hand and 185 00:10:46,920 --> 00:10:51,160 Speaker 1: motions represent the concepts. Okay, so that makes sense. Yeah, 186 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:54,320 Speaker 1: and you were saying that American sign language is not 187 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:59,280 Speaker 1: follow English necessarily if it doesn't follow English. In fact, 188 00:10:59,280 --> 00:11:02,719 Speaker 1: they try to avoid sounding like English. Yeah, like they 189 00:11:02,760 --> 00:11:07,120 Speaker 1: abandoned English syntax. They there's no use of the word 190 00:11:07,160 --> 00:11:12,200 Speaker 1: am or be um. It's pretty simple and straightforward. And 191 00:11:12,320 --> 00:11:15,880 Speaker 1: some of the stuff also are some of the signs 192 00:11:15,880 --> 00:11:20,559 Speaker 1: are conceptual, like there there are some that are symbolic, 193 00:11:20,640 --> 00:11:23,839 Speaker 1: but some are like a concept or an icon. I 194 00:11:23,880 --> 00:11:27,000 Speaker 1: guess it's a better way to put it, like um, 195 00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:30,319 Speaker 1: if you are doing dear, if you're saying the word deer, 196 00:11:30,360 --> 00:11:34,600 Speaker 1: signing the word deer um er animal, you put your 197 00:11:34,800 --> 00:11:36,880 Speaker 1: you stick your fingers up and put them close to 198 00:11:36,920 --> 00:11:40,560 Speaker 1: your head, right. Yeah. So I was curious, like how 199 00:11:40,600 --> 00:11:44,800 Speaker 1: you would sign the word moose. Yeah, and I looked. 200 00:11:45,720 --> 00:11:48,000 Speaker 1: It's the same thing, but rather than having them up 201 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:50,520 Speaker 1: against your head, they're out off to the side a 202 00:11:50,559 --> 00:11:52,800 Speaker 1: little bit because the moose has like antlers that are 203 00:11:52,840 --> 00:11:55,280 Speaker 1: bigger than a deer. Well, and that illustrates a very 204 00:11:55,360 --> 00:11:58,560 Speaker 1: important point with a s l um it's not just 205 00:11:58,760 --> 00:12:01,960 Speaker 1: the things the signs you make with your hands, it's 206 00:12:02,400 --> 00:12:06,079 Speaker 1: body language expressions, uh. And the space. How you use 207 00:12:06,160 --> 00:12:08,720 Speaker 1: the space around you. Like to take the antlers away 208 00:12:08,760 --> 00:12:11,360 Speaker 1: from your head represent something and as we'll learn later, 209 00:12:12,280 --> 00:12:15,160 Speaker 1: where you hold your hands represent different things, like further 210 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:18,360 Speaker 1: away from your body or closer to your body. Um. 211 00:12:18,400 --> 00:12:21,280 Speaker 1: And we'll get to all that, but um, basic nuts 212 00:12:21,280 --> 00:12:24,440 Speaker 1: and bolts they are. You can call them speakers even 213 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:28,320 Speaker 1: though they're signing. Uh. But generally you call the person 214 00:12:28,559 --> 00:12:31,839 Speaker 1: receiving the sign at the time, the receiver, the person 215 00:12:31,880 --> 00:12:35,320 Speaker 1: being spoken to, Yeah, and the receiver. If you're a receiver, 216 00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:38,480 Speaker 1: you don't just stare at the hands. In fact, you 217 00:12:38,520 --> 00:12:40,840 Speaker 1: don't focus on the hands at all. You focus on 218 00:12:40,880 --> 00:12:44,760 Speaker 1: their face and sort of keep the hands in the periphery. 219 00:12:45,280 --> 00:12:48,320 Speaker 1: That's how um. The remember the did you hear about 220 00:12:48,320 --> 00:12:51,440 Speaker 1: the guy who was signing at Mandela's memorial? Thought that 221 00:12:51,520 --> 00:12:54,240 Speaker 1: was going to be your intro. Actually I went with 222 00:12:54,280 --> 00:12:56,960 Speaker 1: the mistreating people intros to you know, I like that, 223 00:12:57,360 --> 00:13:04,160 Speaker 1: Um the Yeah, this guy was a fraudulent UM sign translator. 224 00:13:04,360 --> 00:13:06,600 Speaker 1: Now was he really? Did they get? Because I thought 225 00:13:06,640 --> 00:13:11,720 Speaker 1: he was like, no, I'm not fraudulent, I'm just he Uh, 226 00:13:11,760 --> 00:13:15,679 Speaker 1: what's unclear is so he was he's he suffers from schizophrenia, 227 00:13:16,400 --> 00:13:19,160 Speaker 1: and UM he was hired on officially to do this 228 00:13:19,760 --> 00:13:21,600 Speaker 1: UM and they think that the way he was hired 229 00:13:21,679 --> 00:13:24,960 Speaker 1: was because his rate was about half of what an 230 00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:28,199 Speaker 1: a normal sign translator that would have been, So they 231 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:30,840 Speaker 1: basically just went with the cheaper option and didn't do 232 00:13:30,960 --> 00:13:33,840 Speaker 1: their due diligence and figure him out because he'd actually 233 00:13:33,840 --> 00:13:38,640 Speaker 1: done this before where he doesn't know sign language and 234 00:13:39,160 --> 00:13:41,599 Speaker 1: apparently has no malicious intent or anything like that. I 235 00:13:41,640 --> 00:13:43,200 Speaker 1: don't know if he just needed money, or if he 236 00:13:43,280 --> 00:13:45,120 Speaker 1: thinks he know sign language, or if he wants to 237 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:47,800 Speaker 1: know sign language he feels like he can get it across. 238 00:13:47,840 --> 00:13:51,440 Speaker 1: But during Mandela's funeral, UM he was doing all the 239 00:13:51,480 --> 00:13:54,400 Speaker 1: sign language and it was total nonsense. So none of 240 00:13:54,400 --> 00:13:57,160 Speaker 1: it was real at all. No, it was utter gibberish 241 00:13:57,480 --> 00:13:59,720 Speaker 1: and one of the one of the ways that the 242 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:03,320 Speaker 1: UM the deaf community, who were understandably upset at all this. 243 00:14:03,720 --> 00:14:05,760 Speaker 1: I bet some of them got a good laugh, sure, 244 00:14:06,280 --> 00:14:11,320 Speaker 1: but overall they said, if you're doing sign you don't 245 00:14:11,360 --> 00:14:14,000 Speaker 1: just sit there with like a stone face, which this 246 00:14:14,040 --> 00:14:16,640 Speaker 1: guy was doing. He was all hand gesters, and hand 247 00:14:16,640 --> 00:14:21,120 Speaker 1: gesters didn't mean anything. But then also, you express most 248 00:14:21,200 --> 00:14:25,800 Speaker 1: of sign language with expressions, with facial expressions. With movement, 249 00:14:26,160 --> 00:14:28,520 Speaker 1: you don't just stand there because it doesn't do anything. 250 00:14:28,520 --> 00:14:31,560 Speaker 1: You're not getting your point across. So this guy one 251 00:14:31,560 --> 00:14:35,880 Speaker 1: of the ways he was found out. Uh, he was 252 00:14:36,080 --> 00:14:38,600 Speaker 1: like stone face and if you go and look at it, 253 00:14:38,640 --> 00:14:42,600 Speaker 1: he's not moving his face at all, like he's completely solemn. 254 00:14:42,680 --> 00:14:45,240 Speaker 1: He was found out pretty quick too. Yeah, because I'm 255 00:14:45,240 --> 00:14:47,480 Speaker 1: sure there are people watching it. You're like, what this 256 00:14:48,200 --> 00:14:52,880 Speaker 1: what's going on? This guy's talking gibberish? So weird. Uh, 257 00:14:53,040 --> 00:14:56,480 Speaker 1: if you were signing actions a lot of times but 258 00:14:56,560 --> 00:15:00,600 Speaker 1: not always, you just mimic the action like um. Strickling 259 00:15:00,640 --> 00:15:04,880 Speaker 1: points out, if you want to sign eat, you hold 260 00:15:04,920 --> 00:15:06,560 Speaker 1: your finger and thumb like you're holding like a little 261 00:15:06,560 --> 00:15:08,320 Speaker 1: piece of chocolate and you go to put it in 262 00:15:08,320 --> 00:15:13,040 Speaker 1: your mouth. That means eat, pretty straightforward. And there There's 263 00:15:13,080 --> 00:15:16,160 Speaker 1: also something I think it's kind of neat inefficient about 264 00:15:16,400 --> 00:15:21,320 Speaker 1: um sign language. Is that the same that same sign 265 00:15:22,320 --> 00:15:26,240 Speaker 1: for eat um is all it doubles for other signs 266 00:15:26,240 --> 00:15:28,720 Speaker 1: to depending on what you do with it. Yeah, can 267 00:15:28,760 --> 00:15:32,920 Speaker 1: get confusing. It can, but it's also it's it's I 268 00:15:32,960 --> 00:15:35,200 Speaker 1: don't know, I like it makes it makes the whole 269 00:15:35,200 --> 00:15:38,040 Speaker 1: thing more elegant to me that you one sign, when 270 00:15:38,560 --> 00:15:41,480 Speaker 1: delivered in a certain way, changes the meaning and you 271 00:15:41,520 --> 00:15:44,720 Speaker 1: can't you really have to pay attention. Yeah, for instance, uh, 272 00:15:44,840 --> 00:15:46,760 Speaker 1: if you want to sign food, it is the same. 273 00:15:47,280 --> 00:15:48,800 Speaker 1: A lot of times you will double a sign to 274 00:15:48,840 --> 00:15:53,200 Speaker 1: indicate something else to indicate it now, Well, it depends. 275 00:15:53,880 --> 00:15:56,480 Speaker 1: That's why it can confusing. So design for food is 276 00:15:56,520 --> 00:15:58,880 Speaker 1: the same as doubling the sign for eat. But if 277 00:15:58,880 --> 00:16:01,960 Speaker 1: you want to sign eating uh, which is a verb, 278 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:05,960 Speaker 1: you would uh also repeat the eat signs. So that's 279 00:16:05,960 --> 00:16:09,240 Speaker 1: where if you're receiving sign language, you understand it. It's 280 00:16:09,240 --> 00:16:10,920 Speaker 1: all about your context, you know, like, what are you 281 00:16:10,920 --> 00:16:12,800 Speaker 1: talking about? Yeah, what do you mean? You guys went 282 00:16:12,800 --> 00:16:17,880 Speaker 1: out and you were food? Exactly right. I should teach 283 00:16:17,880 --> 00:16:20,000 Speaker 1: you somethings would be fun, um, but I need to 284 00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:25,000 Speaker 1: learn it first. But apparently, also the the the verbs 285 00:16:25,120 --> 00:16:31,600 Speaker 1: or action words or signs are are bigger, whereas nouns 286 00:16:31,600 --> 00:16:35,600 Speaker 1: are smaller. Like the gestures are bigger or smaller, depending 287 00:16:35,600 --> 00:16:37,840 Speaker 1: on whether it's a noun or verb. Too, that's true, 288 00:16:37,920 --> 00:16:40,680 Speaker 1: that's that's another way. So again, you can't just sit 289 00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:43,400 Speaker 1: there with your hands directly in front of you, moving 290 00:16:43,400 --> 00:16:47,160 Speaker 1: within a very small box. Yeah, it's your You wouldn't 291 00:16:47,200 --> 00:16:49,600 Speaker 1: be speaking at least as far as American sign language goes, 292 00:16:49,640 --> 00:16:52,280 Speaker 1: you wouldn't be speaking correctly. That's true. U. There is 293 00:16:52,320 --> 00:16:57,320 Speaker 1: an alphabet too, as every thirteen year old girl knows, right, 294 00:16:57,360 --> 00:17:00,600 Speaker 1: Why don't you remember that? Like it seems like in 295 00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:02,520 Speaker 1: like the seventh grade, every girl I knew went through 296 00:17:02,520 --> 00:17:05,960 Speaker 1: a phase where they learned that the sign alphabet and 297 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:07,879 Speaker 1: would like spell out things with their friends that no 298 00:17:07,880 --> 00:17:09,680 Speaker 1: one else knew they were talking about? What you never 299 00:17:09,720 --> 00:17:13,080 Speaker 1: saw that? No? Oh man, I remember the big, bubbly 300 00:17:13,720 --> 00:17:20,440 Speaker 1: cursive writing. Yeah. Yeah, I just seem to remember a 301 00:17:20,480 --> 00:17:22,920 Speaker 1: lot of young girls learning the sign language alphabet and 302 00:17:22,920 --> 00:17:24,760 Speaker 1: they would sit around and spell things about people and 303 00:17:25,600 --> 00:17:27,879 Speaker 1: had not run into that, not in Fala. Maybe it 304 00:17:27,920 --> 00:17:31,400 Speaker 1: was a Georgia thing. Anyway, there's an alphabet which actually 305 00:17:31,760 --> 00:17:34,880 Speaker 1: where you you know, it's called fingerspelling, but it's only 306 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:41,040 Speaker 1: used to um illustrated really specific concept or to indicate 307 00:17:41,080 --> 00:17:43,520 Speaker 1: like a person spell a name. Yeah, Like if you're 308 00:17:43,520 --> 00:17:45,800 Speaker 1: gonna be telling a story about Josh, are you gotta 309 00:17:45,840 --> 00:17:48,080 Speaker 1: do is spell out Josh at the beginning, and then 310 00:17:48,119 --> 00:17:51,280 Speaker 1: you don't have to keep doing it over and over right. Um. 311 00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:54,280 Speaker 1: One way to do that too, especially if I'm not present, 312 00:17:54,840 --> 00:17:58,600 Speaker 1: is to indicate an empty space by you, Yeah, spell 313 00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:01,400 Speaker 1: out my name, point to that empty space, and then 314 00:18:01,440 --> 00:18:03,920 Speaker 1: from that point on, anytime you point at the empty space, 315 00:18:03,920 --> 00:18:06,960 Speaker 1: you're seeing Josh. Yeah. If you're there, it's called index 316 00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:09,400 Speaker 1: and use your finger. You just point to Josh. But yeah, 317 00:18:09,400 --> 00:18:12,160 Speaker 1: if you're not there, you just make an imaginary Josh, 318 00:18:12,480 --> 00:18:15,959 Speaker 1: and you keep pointing to that space to refer to Josh. 319 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:19,200 Speaker 1: It's pretty cool. Um. Another reason that you would use 320 00:18:19,600 --> 00:18:23,359 Speaker 1: finger spelling would be to ask somebody what a sign 321 00:18:23,520 --> 00:18:26,800 Speaker 1: was for something you couldn't remember. So if you're saying 322 00:18:26,840 --> 00:18:30,600 Speaker 1: something you you and you couldn't think of moose, you 323 00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:34,000 Speaker 1: might spell out and finger spelling, what's the sign for moose? Yeah, 324 00:18:34,040 --> 00:18:36,600 Speaker 1: And then they would say hey, fingers up away from 325 00:18:36,640 --> 00:18:38,800 Speaker 1: the head, Yeah, I wrote at wrote I read an 326 00:18:38,880 --> 00:18:43,080 Speaker 1: article from the Washington Post earlier about UM Washington d C. 327 00:18:43,600 --> 00:18:47,439 Speaker 1: They call him terps interpreters. I hadn't heard. Are you 328 00:18:47,440 --> 00:18:49,800 Speaker 1: sure they weren't talking about University of Maryland. They were 329 00:18:49,800 --> 00:18:53,280 Speaker 1: talking about you know, but uh, it's a big deal 330 00:18:53,320 --> 00:18:55,480 Speaker 1: in d C. There's like on any given day there's 331 00:18:55,520 --> 00:19:00,200 Speaker 1: like fift people in d C signing for clients that yeah, worse. 332 00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:03,200 Speaker 1: It makes sense because it's law. First of all, federal 333 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:07,760 Speaker 1: law requires reasonable accommodation for a deaf person. But um, 334 00:19:07,760 --> 00:19:11,399 Speaker 1: this one guy that they interviewed, uh, what's his name, Painter, 335 00:19:12,320 --> 00:19:15,800 Speaker 1: He said that spelling is you're you're like your back door, 336 00:19:16,240 --> 00:19:18,480 Speaker 1: like if ever, and it's it's tough in DC because 337 00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:24,160 Speaker 1: he's like, basically, try signing a speech by Bernanky when 338 00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:28,840 Speaker 1: they're saying like very d C specific political jargon that 339 00:19:29,040 --> 00:19:31,520 Speaker 1: may you know, maybe not have a concept you can represent, 340 00:19:31,880 --> 00:19:35,639 Speaker 1: like fiscal cliff or it's not your first rodeo, or 341 00:19:36,800 --> 00:19:39,040 Speaker 1: kick it down the road a little bit. And so 342 00:19:39,080 --> 00:19:43,360 Speaker 1: they basically invented political jargon for people to do that. 343 00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:45,280 Speaker 1: And he said, or if you get stuck, you can 344 00:19:45,320 --> 00:19:47,119 Speaker 1: always just spell it. And that appears to be a 345 00:19:47,160 --> 00:19:52,080 Speaker 1: hallmark of sign language, is um there like new signs 346 00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:54,520 Speaker 1: are created all the time, just like a few words 347 00:19:54,520 --> 00:19:57,240 Speaker 1: are created all the time. And just like with speech, 348 00:19:57,840 --> 00:20:02,160 Speaker 1: um there are prescriptive and there's descriptivists like people who 349 00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:05,800 Speaker 1: say no, American sign language is sacrosanct. It is what 350 00:20:05,880 --> 00:20:07,840 Speaker 1: it is. It's not to be added to. If you 351 00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:10,800 Speaker 1: add to it, it dilutes the language. Go come up 352 00:20:10,800 --> 00:20:12,560 Speaker 1: with your own language if you want to add fiscal 353 00:20:12,560 --> 00:20:15,040 Speaker 1: cliff to it. Um. And then there's other people who 354 00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:18,280 Speaker 1: are descriptivists who say no, the language is a living, breathing, 355 00:20:18,280 --> 00:20:21,800 Speaker 1: evolving thing, and we need to get the concept of 356 00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:25,880 Speaker 1: fiscal cliff along across. So here it is. It looks 357 00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:27,720 Speaker 1: like moose kind of. I would just do a little 358 00:20:27,720 --> 00:20:31,080 Speaker 1: guy walking then falling off a cliff, sure you know, 359 00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:36,000 Speaker 1: and then making a dollar sign. Uh. If you have 360 00:20:36,080 --> 00:20:39,000 Speaker 1: seen people do sign language and you see them looking 361 00:20:39,080 --> 00:20:42,720 Speaker 1: upset or puffing their cheeks out or raising their eyebrows, uh, 362 00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:47,639 Speaker 1: they're indicating an inflection that what's called a non manual marker. So, 363 00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:52,520 Speaker 1: um like, if you wanted to ask someone, and that's 364 00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:55,080 Speaker 1: also true punctuation, if you wanted to, you could do 365 00:20:55,119 --> 00:20:58,040 Speaker 1: the little question mark sign, but more likely you would 366 00:20:58,440 --> 00:21:01,560 Speaker 1: just say the sentence and then raise your eye brows. Right. Well, 367 00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:05,480 Speaker 1: give him an example, um like movies, Do you like 368 00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:10,119 Speaker 1: the movies? Right? You would say you like movies and 369 00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:12,560 Speaker 1: then raise your eyebrows like, huh. You basically like a 370 00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:18,200 Speaker 1: rush and you like movies. That's basically what's going on there. 371 00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:23,200 Speaker 1: Any yaka sarf reference is hilarious. It doesn't matter what 372 00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:26,119 Speaker 1: it is. Jever see the King of the Hill that 373 00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:28,560 Speaker 1: he co starred on No Way. They go to Branson 374 00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:31,439 Speaker 1: and like he uh, I think Bobby like ends up 375 00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:36,080 Speaker 1: hanging out with him. Yeah, it's pretty awesome. Um. Another 376 00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:38,280 Speaker 1: way you can modify a sign, there's basically a couple 377 00:21:38,280 --> 00:21:42,640 Speaker 1: of ways you can modify action. Um. It is by directionalizing. 378 00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:46,280 Speaker 1: So if you you know, I had a nice leisurely meal, 379 00:21:46,359 --> 00:21:48,840 Speaker 1: you would do the symbols for the signs for eating 380 00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:51,320 Speaker 1: very slowly. If you want to tell someone I had 381 00:21:51,359 --> 00:21:52,800 Speaker 1: to wolf it down real quick because it was like 382 00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:55,119 Speaker 1: for a meeting, you would just do the signs for 383 00:21:55,160 --> 00:22:00,080 Speaker 1: eating very fast. It's pretty easy, yes. Or if you 384 00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:02,960 Speaker 1: wanted to say I'm going to give a gift to you, 385 00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:07,520 Speaker 1: you would just do the signs for uh, give gift 386 00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:10,720 Speaker 1: and then you know, indicate that I'm giving it to 387 00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:13,320 Speaker 1: you or to someone else. The direction of it is 388 00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:17,000 Speaker 1: going from I to you, So it's implied right there, 389 00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:20,960 Speaker 1: give gift is going from I to you, I give 390 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:23,720 Speaker 1: you a gift. It really cuts through all the jibber jabber. 391 00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:25,840 Speaker 1: I kind of like it. It really does. And there's 392 00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:29,520 Speaker 1: also um rules with syntax are just totally out the 393 00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:33,800 Speaker 1: window in relation to English too, it's um. There's something 394 00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:36,840 Speaker 1: called the topic of the sentence, and that's frequently a 395 00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:41,160 Speaker 1: pronoun like I, and it genuinely doesn't matter where that goes. 396 00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:43,320 Speaker 1: You can go at the beginning of a sentence, the 397 00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:48,440 Speaker 1: end of the sentence, or both. And I haven't figured 398 00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:51,560 Speaker 1: out where I where both comes from? Why you would 399 00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:55,919 Speaker 1: say the pronouns twice? So for example, like UM, I 400 00:22:55,960 --> 00:23:00,919 Speaker 1: am an employee here right, you would just say employee 401 00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:05,400 Speaker 1: or employee I or I employee I, And I can't 402 00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:07,680 Speaker 1: figure out. Hopefully somebody out there can let us know 403 00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:10,320 Speaker 1: why you would want to say What the purposes for 404 00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:14,840 Speaker 1: saying it twice? But it's it's allowable structure wise interesting. 405 00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:19,080 Speaker 1: So within that structure, UM, I think you said it 406 00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:22,120 Speaker 1: was topic comment structure. Generally the comment is the predicate. 407 00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:27,160 Speaker 1: Uh So, man, this took me like down memory lane. Yeah, 408 00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:30,280 Speaker 1: I was like, what's the predicate again? It says something 409 00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:35,600 Speaker 1: about the topic or the um object. If you were 410 00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:38,879 Speaker 1: talking about English uh. And then there's the tents. Of course, 411 00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:41,879 Speaker 1: if you want to talk about when something happened, you 412 00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:44,840 Speaker 1: can do it in a variety of ways, but generally 413 00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:48,520 Speaker 1: you would announce the tents at the beginning, and then 414 00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:50,280 Speaker 1: you wouldn't have to keep saying it over and over 415 00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:52,879 Speaker 1: that you're like speaking in the past tense right until 416 00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:55,800 Speaker 1: you say until you change tense. So you would start 417 00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:58,720 Speaker 1: by saying yesterday, uh, and then you would start talking 418 00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:00,639 Speaker 1: about how you went to the store or and you 419 00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:03,320 Speaker 1: saw this trans am and you're like, hey, that's a 420 00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:05,440 Speaker 1: great trans am to the guy and he said thanks 421 00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:08,919 Speaker 1: a lot. Uh. But then today, so then you'd sign today, 422 00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:12,120 Speaker 1: I saw the trans am again and it had gotten 423 00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:18,080 Speaker 1: an offender bender, right, and it was sad. Right. So 424 00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:22,679 Speaker 1: in in the middle you have you've signed today, and 425 00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:26,119 Speaker 1: it's changed tense. So the tens is it's this is 426 00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:28,800 Speaker 1: something you have to pay attention to, Like sign language, 427 00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:32,280 Speaker 1: American sign language relies on you to be a smart, 428 00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:36,320 Speaker 1: non lazy person because you have to pay attention. You 429 00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:38,280 Speaker 1: have to keep up with what you're saying, so you 430 00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:41,919 Speaker 1: can't just you know, drift off or you know, just 431 00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:45,679 Speaker 1: start staring into the middle. Focus you know, like you 432 00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:48,720 Speaker 1: have to be paying attention. Um, And it's not just 433 00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:51,600 Speaker 1: because you're watching the signs or anything like that. Like 434 00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:55,400 Speaker 1: it can change and switch very suddenly, going from yesterday 435 00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:58,480 Speaker 1: to today and then everything after that stays the same, 436 00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:00,679 Speaker 1: and you have to look for it change intense so 437 00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:03,000 Speaker 1: you don't miss it and get confused. Yeah, and they're 438 00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:05,840 Speaker 1: quick too, and and it relies on you to understand 439 00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:10,560 Speaker 1: context as well. So for example, you if you were saying, um, 440 00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:16,600 Speaker 1: I had lunch today, I went out for lunch today. Um, 441 00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:19,520 Speaker 1: you can even speak it in English, I went out 442 00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:26,640 Speaker 1: for lunch this afternoon. Okay, Um, you would say today, 443 00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:30,080 Speaker 1: I go to lunch is what you would say in 444 00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:32,879 Speaker 1: sign language. And depending on when you were saying it, 445 00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:36,120 Speaker 1: the person the receiver would know what you were talking about. 446 00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:38,720 Speaker 1: If you were talking about in the morning, they would know, oh, 447 00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:41,240 Speaker 1: you're going out to lunch this afternoon, or if you 448 00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:43,960 Speaker 1: were talking to them that night, they would know, oh, 449 00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:47,160 Speaker 1: well you're saying you went to lunch already this afternoon. 450 00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:50,440 Speaker 1: Now you're going to you already went It's all context 451 00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:52,560 Speaker 1: as well. Yeah, like you said earlier, you won't get 452 00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:56,680 Speaker 1: confused if you're if you're understanding what they're saying. Yeah. Um, 453 00:25:56,840 --> 00:25:59,480 Speaker 1: that I said makes total sense, doesn't it. It really does. 454 00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:04,480 Speaker 1: It's it's it's smart. Yeah, we talked about using the space. Um, 455 00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:06,600 Speaker 1: if you sign close to the body, it might have 456 00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:09,960 Speaker 1: been something that happened uh recently, or might happen soon. 457 00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:12,520 Speaker 1: If you sign further out, maybe it was something that 458 00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:15,840 Speaker 1: happened a long time ago, or might happen away far 459 00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:20,399 Speaker 1: in the future. Again, super interesting and smart, and that 460 00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:24,600 Speaker 1: kind of runs into the calendar that some sinists report 461 00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:26,920 Speaker 1: around them all the time. I thought of that same thing. 462 00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:28,800 Speaker 1: Didn't it make you think of that totally? I wonder 463 00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:33,240 Speaker 1: if Strickling did that on purpose. He is an evil genius. Um. 464 00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:35,879 Speaker 1: All right, So I think maybe we should take a 465 00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:43,920 Speaker 1: message break and then get to the etiquette of sign language. 466 00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:50,280 Speaker 1: All right, Chuck, where you're gonna talk about Mr Manners etiquette? Yes, 467 00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:55,879 Speaker 1: there is etiquette like with regular speaking language. Um, you 468 00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:58,399 Speaker 1: need to wait for the speaker to finish signing, and 469 00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:01,000 Speaker 1: then they'll look at you and says you're turned to speak. 470 00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:05,640 Speaker 1: If they look away, they're they're still talking. They're signing. 471 00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:08,280 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. I know what you're saying, 472 00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:10,600 Speaker 1: So don't take that as your cue to jump in there. 473 00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:13,440 Speaker 1: In fact that can be rude, they will actually give 474 00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:16,200 Speaker 1: you the signal that it's it's time for you to respond. Right. 475 00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:19,360 Speaker 1: But um, if you watch two people who are signing 476 00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:24,159 Speaker 1: with one another kind of frantically arguing, yeah, that they 477 00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:27,600 Speaker 1: that's one was a tactic in an argument using sign language, 478 00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:31,000 Speaker 1: you don't wait until the person stops and points to 479 00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:36,280 Speaker 1: you could just cut in. What you're doing is interrupting them. Interesting. Yeah, 480 00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:39,199 Speaker 1: Another thing that you that might happen if you are 481 00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:44,040 Speaker 1: a receiver of sign language is the person signing might 482 00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:48,080 Speaker 1: suddenly turn and start signing to somebody who isn't there. 483 00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:50,959 Speaker 1: So you're not supposed to take a couple of steps 484 00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:54,600 Speaker 1: over right. They they know where you're standing. What they're 485 00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:58,879 Speaker 1: saying is that they they're basically saying like, um, and 486 00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:02,240 Speaker 1: then I was talking to Todd and this is Todd 487 00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:03,680 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, this is what I was saying 488 00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:07,360 Speaker 1: to Todd. Right, So they're not they're not addressing they're 489 00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:10,119 Speaker 1: addressing you still, but they're talking about how what they 490 00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:12,639 Speaker 1: said to Todd, yeah, or what Todd said. If Todd 491 00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:15,040 Speaker 1: said that he has a sore back, you would look 492 00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:17,200 Speaker 1: at the imaginary Todd and say, I don't know what 493 00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:21,080 Speaker 1: you would say, probably back sore or sore back. But 494 00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:24,679 Speaker 1: the the the the proper etiquette there to just keep 495 00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:28,520 Speaker 1: watching their their facial expression and gestures just like they 496 00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:31,560 Speaker 1: are talking to you. Yeah. Um, you don't just wander 497 00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:36,040 Speaker 1: off right if you see uh. If you have nothing 498 00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:37,320 Speaker 1: to do with any of this and you just see 499 00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:41,160 Speaker 1: two people signing on the street, um, they say. According 500 00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:44,400 Speaker 1: to Dr Bill Vickers, who owns a company, I'm sorry, 501 00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:48,200 Speaker 1: he's president of a company that creates UH sign language programs. 502 00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:51,240 Speaker 1: He said, it's not rude to walk between them. Um 503 00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:53,360 Speaker 1: if you just kind of just walk quickly between them 504 00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:56,800 Speaker 1: and like, it's no big deal. So there's that, right, 505 00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:59,760 Speaker 1: But you don't want to be like, yeah, sorry, sorry, 506 00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:01,720 Speaker 1: if you buddy, you see me, I'm about to walk 507 00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:05,080 Speaker 1: in here, so you just go through, yeah, Or I 508 00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:08,240 Speaker 1: would say, just go around if you can. That's Chuck's recommendation. 509 00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:10,600 Speaker 1: Go around, you know, Like I wouldn't walk between two 510 00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:14,719 Speaker 1: people having a conversation either, Yeah, speaking conversation. That's actually 511 00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:16,800 Speaker 1: I thought that was a little rude too, But apparently 512 00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:19,880 Speaker 1: deaf people are cool with it all right, So good 513 00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:22,719 Speaker 1: to know, so chuck um. We talked about American Sign language, 514 00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:26,640 Speaker 1: and obviously that's far from the only sign language in 515 00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:30,040 Speaker 1: the world. There's hundreds, but in the States, um, American 516 00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:32,920 Speaker 1: Sign language is the dominant sign language. But there's other 517 00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:38,160 Speaker 1: types of sign languages that are also practiced enough to 518 00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:42,960 Speaker 1: warrant mentioning. Here one is signed Exact English. Man. This 519 00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:46,600 Speaker 1: sounds tough. It is because it's slow. One of the 520 00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:50,840 Speaker 1: advantages of American Sign language is that it gets rid 521 00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:53,600 Speaker 1: of a lot of the crud. So like you just 522 00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:57,680 Speaker 1: say give gift, and by the direction you're moving, you 523 00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:00,880 Speaker 1: get the point across that I give you a gift. Um, 524 00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:03,160 Speaker 1: all of these other things that you can do with 525 00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:05,720 Speaker 1: the gesture, you're cutting out two, three, four words in 526 00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:07,640 Speaker 1: a sentence, this whole thing. And I feel like I 527 00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:10,160 Speaker 1: wasted a lot of WORKDS we do, especially in English, 528 00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:16,120 Speaker 1: and English is a very strange, technically difficult language, and 529 00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:18,960 Speaker 1: American Sign language gets rid of a lot of that stuff. 530 00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:20,960 Speaker 1: Or I should say it doesn't get rid of it, 531 00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:25,640 Speaker 1: it evolved without that stuff. Yeah, that's about um. And 532 00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:30,080 Speaker 1: Signed Exact English is like trying to literally get English 533 00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:32,840 Speaker 1: across and all of its weird syntax and order and 534 00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:38,040 Speaker 1: I am and B and is UM using sign language, 535 00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:41,880 Speaker 1: so it's it can be very slow. Yeah, like UM, 536 00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:44,080 Speaker 1: in a s L, if you wanted to sign beautiful, 537 00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:49,760 Speaker 1: that could mean pretty, beautiful, lovely to look at um. 538 00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:52,960 Speaker 1: But they get specific with signed exactly English. You would 539 00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:55,720 Speaker 1: actually if you want to say someone was pretty and 540 00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:58,880 Speaker 1: not beautiful, you might sign the letter P and then 541 00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:02,200 Speaker 1: the sign the A L signed for beautiful, which I 542 00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:04,600 Speaker 1: guess is you know, if you're being set up on 543 00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:08,120 Speaker 1: a date, you might want to get specific, right, she 544 00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:11,640 Speaker 1: was beautiful, No, I said she was lovely? Man, what's 545 00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:18,040 Speaker 1: the sign for good personality? Um? And and Strictland points 546 00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:21,560 Speaker 1: out that hearing teachers who interact with deaf children prefer 547 00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:26,000 Speaker 1: signed exact English to a s L because I guess 548 00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:28,400 Speaker 1: just when you're at that stage in life to match 549 00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:31,120 Speaker 1: up with the English spoken language, they think that has 550 00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:34,440 Speaker 1: some benefit. Well, yeah, there's a UM. I guess. One 551 00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:39,960 Speaker 1: way of looking at educating deaf children is this whole 552 00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:46,560 Speaker 1: immersed education. Yeah, UM, where it's like you learned speech reading, 553 00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:51,000 Speaker 1: which lip reading, UM, you learn sign language, you learn 554 00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:55,360 Speaker 1: to speak, UM, you learn finger spelling, right, you learned reading, 555 00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:57,959 Speaker 1: because that's another thing too. If you just are raised 556 00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:02,000 Speaker 1: on American sign language, you're to have trouble reading English 557 00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:05,240 Speaker 1: because you're gonna you're gonna say, what is be? What 558 00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:08,400 Speaker 1: it is? What are all these extra words? What's with 559 00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:11,280 Speaker 1: the syntax? It's that Gonda makes sense. So there is 560 00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:14,040 Speaker 1: definitely a school of thought among educators that if you 561 00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:17,400 Speaker 1: have a deaf kid, um you they should learn everything, 562 00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:20,280 Speaker 1: including sign language, but also all the other stuff so 563 00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:26,600 Speaker 1: they can effectively communicate with non sign language non signers. UM. 564 00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:28,720 Speaker 1: And that's opposed as opposed to someone who loses their 565 00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:31,200 Speaker 1: hearing later in life. No, I think that's opposed to 566 00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:33,600 Speaker 1: people who think, like, well or a deaf community and 567 00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:36,040 Speaker 1: sign language is enough for us. We don't have to 568 00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:39,720 Speaker 1: know how to speak. We like, why doesn't Why don't 569 00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:43,680 Speaker 1: hearing kids learn sign language? Why is it on us 570 00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:46,080 Speaker 1: that we have to learn all this every extra stuff? 571 00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:48,920 Speaker 1: Why is there not a balance? So I think that 572 00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:52,880 Speaker 1: that's UM part. I think those are two camps. I 573 00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:55,240 Speaker 1: don't know if that's the whole thing, but I think 574 00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:57,560 Speaker 1: some people think you should learn everything, where other people 575 00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:01,720 Speaker 1: are like sign language is good enough. Interesting, Uh, well 576 00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:04,000 Speaker 1: there's one more we'll get to in a second. Um. 577 00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:13,719 Speaker 1: Called Pigeon Signed English right after this message break al Right. 578 00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:17,040 Speaker 1: So Pigeon Signed English, which is what we were talking about, 579 00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:21,560 Speaker 1: is the other common uh form of sign language in 580 00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:24,880 Speaker 1: the United States. And I don't fully understand this one, 581 00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:30,880 Speaker 1: do you. Uh. It seems to be uh the middle 582 00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:35,040 Speaker 1: ground between signed Exact English and American Sign language. So 583 00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:38,000 Speaker 1: they try to follow English syntax, but they don't have 584 00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:42,880 Speaker 1: like b okay, so there wouldn't so there wouldn't be like, um, 585 00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:46,960 Speaker 1: like I give you a gift, right, it might just 586 00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:50,760 Speaker 1: be like I give you gift, you know. Yeah, Yeah, 587 00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:53,960 Speaker 1: that makes more sense. Yeah. Uh. They they do not 588 00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:59,240 Speaker 1: require in Pigeon Signed English UM prefixes and suffixes like 589 00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:02,200 Speaker 1: they do in s E uh. And they say it 590 00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:04,520 Speaker 1: can be easier to learn than either one or the 591 00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:10,080 Speaker 1: other two versions because it does match up with English syntax. Yeah. 592 00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:12,680 Speaker 1: And if you if you're one of those educators who 593 00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:16,920 Speaker 1: thinks that kids should learn everything, um, you would be 594 00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:21,239 Speaker 1: teaching C or I imagine at least pigeon sign Yeah. 595 00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:23,560 Speaker 1: And they say you can speak out loud and sign 596 00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:26,200 Speaker 1: at the same time easier because you're not gonna get 597 00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:29,600 Speaker 1: ahead or fall behind because it'll match up more yea 598 00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:32,960 Speaker 1: makes sense. And then there's UM. There was a push because, 599 00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:35,560 Speaker 1: like we said, if you if you're deaf and a 600 00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:38,360 Speaker 1: speaker of American sign language and you go to Great Britain, 601 00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:42,520 Speaker 1: like you're gonna have trouble communicating, just like an English 602 00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:46,840 Speaker 1: speaker would have in France. Yeah, what's a garage on 603 00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:50,160 Speaker 1: our lift. So so there was this push in the 604 00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:54,239 Speaker 1: mid twentieth century to create an international sign language. That's 605 00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:58,879 Speaker 1: what I thought. Everything was UM and the the inner Yeah, 606 00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:01,440 Speaker 1: I kind of did too. Yeah, I was very uh 607 00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:06,200 Speaker 1: naive about all this. Yeah, same here. UM. The American 608 00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:09,400 Speaker 1: or international sign language was. It came out of them, 609 00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:14,240 Speaker 1: the World Congress of the World Federation of the Death 610 00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:18,120 Speaker 1: from They said, let's do this, and then twenty two 611 00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:20,359 Speaker 1: years later they got around to doing it, and they 612 00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:23,120 Speaker 1: created something called just do no you should say it 613 00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:26,439 Speaker 1: just stilling them. Yeah, and that it's an Italian word 614 00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:30,239 Speaker 1: that means unified sign language appropriately enough, and I think 615 00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:35,200 Speaker 1: Strickland says, it's very much like the spoken language esperanto. Yeah, 616 00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:38,600 Speaker 1: it exists, some people know it, but it is very 617 00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:41,439 Speaker 1: far from an international language. Yeah. I looked a little 618 00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:44,959 Speaker 1: more into it. I think they use it at international 619 00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:49,120 Speaker 1: meetings because they kind of probably have to. And um, 620 00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:51,680 Speaker 1: they say it can be useful for like world travelers 621 00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:53,399 Speaker 1: to pick up I guess just like you would visit 622 00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:57,760 Speaker 1: another country to pick up some phrases and things. Gotcha 623 00:35:57,880 --> 00:35:59,839 Speaker 1: to help you out. But yeah, it sounds like it's 624 00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:06,959 Speaker 1: are from codified, right do you say codified or codified codified? God? 625 00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:10,800 Speaker 1: All right? Uh? And then there's babies speaking sign language. 626 00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:12,800 Speaker 1: And I want to say, if you want to see 627 00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:17,320 Speaker 1: a creepy picture of a baby, check out this article 628 00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:19,800 Speaker 1: on how stuff works dot com How Sign Language Works. 629 00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:22,680 Speaker 1: I missed that on the last page the baby sign 630 00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:25,279 Speaker 1: language page is a picture of a baby signing and 631 00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:28,239 Speaker 1: it's staring right at the camera. It looks way too 632 00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:31,760 Speaker 1: young to like be thinking the things it's obviously thinking 633 00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:34,279 Speaker 1: murderous thoughts. He looks like he's doing karate to me, 634 00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:37,719 Speaker 1: but look at his face though, it's like a scary kid. 635 00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:42,120 Speaker 1: Sinister it's a great word. So um that is uh 636 00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:46,640 Speaker 1: baby sign language. Well, yeah, there's a school of thought that, um, 637 00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:49,040 Speaker 1: if you start your baby out before they can speak 638 00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:53,360 Speaker 1: English words or whatever words, that you are going to 639 00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:56,560 Speaker 1: get them ahead in life by signing things that they need. 640 00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:59,680 Speaker 1: Like teach them to sign for Hungary or Pepe or 641 00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:02,479 Speaker 1: dead your mommy and they say it. About six months, 642 00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:05,120 Speaker 1: kids can start picking this stuff up and learn like 643 00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:08,360 Speaker 1: dozens of words. Yeah, they can learn at a six months, 644 00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:10,040 Speaker 1: but it might take a couple of months before they 645 00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:15,000 Speaker 1: start signing and return, but they're still absorbing it. And um, 646 00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:18,320 Speaker 1: like you said, they learned obvious words that have meaning 647 00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:21,759 Speaker 1: to them in their life. But apparently a lot of 648 00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:24,080 Speaker 1: parents report that their kids once they figure out what 649 00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:27,160 Speaker 1: they're doing, that they're communicating, they want to learn more 650 00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:30,239 Speaker 1: and more and more, which is pretty cool. Um. And 651 00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:32,400 Speaker 1: there was a little bit of concern when this was 652 00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:37,400 Speaker 1: first introduced, uh that kids who were learning sign language 653 00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:41,760 Speaker 1: would become deficient in speech. And they did a study 654 00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:44,320 Speaker 1: and they found out actually the exact opposite is true, 655 00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:48,400 Speaker 1: Like kids who are learning sign languages babies, um, have 656 00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:52,719 Speaker 1: better speech abilities and language abilities than their peers who 657 00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:57,040 Speaker 1: didn't learn it. Interesting that at least one one study 658 00:37:57,120 --> 00:38:02,399 Speaker 1: found but um, these same researchers recommend that if you're 659 00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:05,279 Speaker 1: teaching your kids sign language, um, which I didn't know 660 00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:06,759 Speaker 1: it was a thing, but you mean, and I want 661 00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:09,440 Speaker 1: to go visit a friend of hers and like they 662 00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:11,920 Speaker 1: started signing to their baby, and I was like, what 663 00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:16,200 Speaker 1: is going on with yeah, kind of um And apparently 664 00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:18,359 Speaker 1: it's a thing. I didn't realize it. I had seen 665 00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:21,120 Speaker 1: it before. But they're saying, if you teach your kid, 666 00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:26,439 Speaker 1: you're hearing child um sign language. We speak the word 667 00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:29,800 Speaker 1: as well. So the kid comes to understand that speaking 668 00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:33,239 Speaker 1: and signing are they're saying the same thing. Okay, so 669 00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:35,480 Speaker 1: there's not there's not a reliance on just one or 670 00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:37,480 Speaker 1: the other. I guess, yeah, I'm glad to know that 671 00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:41,239 Speaker 1: it does lead to better uh speech, maybe later on, 672 00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:43,360 Speaker 1: because when I first saw people doing that, it was 673 00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:46,320 Speaker 1: kind of like I was one of his doubters, like, 674 00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:48,960 Speaker 1: come on, what are you doing really? Yeah, But now 675 00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:52,200 Speaker 1: I get it. Yeah, it makes sense. Plus it's kind 676 00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:54,520 Speaker 1: of cool like if your kid, if you can get 677 00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:58,239 Speaker 1: your seven month old kid to sign things to you, 678 00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:02,360 Speaker 1: it's almost like the same thing, but on the opposite 679 00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:05,320 Speaker 1: end of the timeline of getting messages from the grave. 680 00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:09,120 Speaker 1: You know, like babies can't talk for reasons, they know 681 00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:13,040 Speaker 1: stuff they're not supposed to know. So if your baby 682 00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:16,640 Speaker 1: does the sign for area fifty one, you're in trouble. 683 00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:19,920 Speaker 1: I got one more little fun thing. I was talking 684 00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:23,160 Speaker 1: about the guy in d c Uh Painter is his 685 00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:25,719 Speaker 1: last name. He said that a lot of times they'll 686 00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:28,560 Speaker 1: get hired because they have to get hired, you know, 687 00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:31,640 Speaker 1: to under federal law. But there won't be anyone there 688 00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:34,040 Speaker 1: that's hard of hearing. But they still have to stand 689 00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:37,120 Speaker 1: up there and sign. And he calls that in the 690 00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:43,160 Speaker 1: terms apparently called that air guitar. That's awesome, pretty good. Cool, 691 00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:47,800 Speaker 1: So sign language. Yeah, if you, um have a friend 692 00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:50,640 Speaker 1: who is deaf or hard of hearing and is sign 693 00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:56,000 Speaker 1: language person a signer, I guess, um, and you want 694 00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:58,279 Speaker 1: to ask them how we did. If you go on 695 00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:00,120 Speaker 1: to Stuff you Should Know dot com and go to 696 00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:03,200 Speaker 1: the page for this episode, it will have a full 697 00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:07,640 Speaker 1: transcript for it too, so everybody can check it out. Um. 698 00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:10,080 Speaker 1: And if you want to know more about this article, 699 00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:13,839 Speaker 1: see the Scary Scary baby. Um. You can type in 700 00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:16,799 Speaker 1: sign language on how Stuff Works dot com and we'll 701 00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:19,560 Speaker 1: bring up Strickland's article. That's right. So there's two websites 702 00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:21,080 Speaker 1: for you to go to Stuff you Should Do dot 703 00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:24,359 Speaker 1: com and how Stuff Works dot com. Boom. And since 704 00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:29,799 Speaker 1: I said to websites, it's time for listener mail. I'm 705 00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:33,440 Speaker 1: gonna call this h I v um. Hey, guys, are 706 00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:36,480 Speaker 1: recently went to visit family in Louisiana for Christmas break 707 00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:40,000 Speaker 1: from San Francisco, and during a conversation with a quote 708 00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:42,640 Speaker 1: friend from high school, I mentioned the fact that I 709 00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:45,920 Speaker 1: had recently started my medication for HIV AIDS, and this 710 00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:50,640 Speaker 1: quote friend end quote, became visibly uncomfortable and clearly was 711 00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:53,120 Speaker 1: looking for an excuse to leave. I received the text 712 00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:56,480 Speaker 1: later where I was accused of endangering his life by 713 00:40:56,520 --> 00:41:00,400 Speaker 1: not immediately disclosing my status with him, giving amples of 714 00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:02,680 Speaker 1: risky behavior like what if I had drank after you, 715 00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:06,200 Speaker 1: or some microscopic speck of your spit had gotten on 716 00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:11,920 Speaker 1: my face? Two fourteen now, and this is what's going on? Still? 717 00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:16,840 Speaker 1: Have you seen Dallas Biarrus Club yet? No? I can't wait. Uh. 718 00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:18,640 Speaker 1: It was a stark reminder, guys that just how little 719 00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:21,640 Speaker 1: people know still about how HIV works. Uh. Not only 720 00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:25,080 Speaker 1: are neither of those things a possible vector of transmission, 721 00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:29,359 Speaker 1: but modern medication can so effectively eradicate HIV from your 722 00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:32,640 Speaker 1: blood and semen that you're practically not even contagious anymore, 723 00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:36,960 Speaker 1: reducing the risk by as much as ninety I had 724 00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:41,440 Speaker 1: end age AIDS in May and by August my viral 725 00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:44,720 Speaker 1: load was undetectable, that my T cell count was normal, 726 00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:47,880 Speaker 1: but there were complications with medication side effects such as 727 00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:50,640 Speaker 1: liver damage. Um, there's so much information out there about 728 00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:53,359 Speaker 1: HIV that people who don't have it are unaware of. 729 00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:57,720 Speaker 1: When it comes to HIV, ignorance can cause positive people 730 00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:01,000 Speaker 1: some serious pain when the inform it because feel like 731 00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:03,880 Speaker 1: a biohazard. Yeah, and it would be awesome if you 732 00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:07,520 Speaker 1: guys could do an episode how HIV works. And that 733 00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:11,959 Speaker 1: is Jesse in San Francisco and he works with the 734 00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:16,879 Speaker 1: l g B T YES community out there. I can't 735 00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:19,279 Speaker 1: remember where he works, but he was like, yeah, man, 736 00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:22,239 Speaker 1: read this and do a podcast on HIV. And I 737 00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:24,719 Speaker 1: think that's a great idea and we should get that 738 00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:29,440 Speaker 1: together forthcoming. That's right, thanks Jesse. Uh yeah to your friends. 739 00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:33,919 Speaker 1: Two four. I remember hearing something. I remember being a kid. 740 00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:37,600 Speaker 1: We were like the generation that was just scared to 741 00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:40,520 Speaker 1: death of AIDS in HIV because we're the ones who 742 00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:43,000 Speaker 1: are like, you know, on the schoolyard when this thing 743 00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:46,480 Speaker 1: was you know, becoming a thing. And um, I remember 744 00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:49,320 Speaker 1: being afraid of that kind of thing and then learning 745 00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:51,320 Speaker 1: as I got a little older, like you'd have to 746 00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:54,000 Speaker 1: drink something like a gallon or two gallons of an 747 00:42:54,120 --> 00:43:00,360 Speaker 1: HIV patients um saliva to possibly contract a try be 748 00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:02,600 Speaker 1: through saliva or something like that. And you're like, I 749 00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:05,160 Speaker 1: just drank a quart, so I'm good. I'm good to go, 750 00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:08,000 Speaker 1: and that and the whole toilet seat thing remember that? Yeah, 751 00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:11,040 Speaker 1: I remember. It's just ridiculous. But I have one for you. 752 00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:15,719 Speaker 1: That's surprising. We'll do a podcast. Not okay, okay, oh man, um, 753 00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:19,280 Speaker 1: that's suspenseful. Okay, So look for an HIV podcast, he agreed. 754 00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:21,560 Speaker 1: If you want to get in touch with Chuck or 755 00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:25,520 Speaker 1: me um, you can get in touch with this via Twitter. 756 00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:28,960 Speaker 1: That's right at s y s K podcast. You can 757 00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:31,200 Speaker 1: join us on Facebook dot com, slash Stuff you Should Know, 758 00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:34,759 Speaker 1: send us an email to stuff Podcast at Discovery dot com, 759 00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:37,320 Speaker 1: and as always, go check out our home on the web, 760 00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:45,000 Speaker 1: Stuff you Should Know dot com for more on this 761 00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:47,640 Speaker 1: and thousands of other topics. Is that how Stuff Works 762 00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:56,880 Speaker 1: dot com. This episode of Stuff you Should Know is 763 00:43:56,920 --> 00:43:59,560 Speaker 1: brought to you by Linda dot Com. 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