Speaker 1: Yo, what's up? Welcome to the Bastards Pod. This is
Speaker 1: a weird voice to hear, right, you know, saying I
Speaker 1: gotta come up with some sort of what do we?
Speaker 1: What do we? What do we? What do we? Here goes?
Speaker 1: You know, perfect me. I didn't perfect you. What do we?
Speaker 1: What do we? What do you? What do you say?
Speaker 1: I would do a prop intro, but nobody, nobody needs
Speaker 1: to hear me. Try to sing. Uh. This is a
Speaker 1: hood politics behind the Bastards crossover, behind the hood politics
Speaker 1: behind us. It's like it's like like when they do
Speaker 1: Gray's Anatomy and Station nineteen on on TV, but better. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they used to do this in the nineties, like sitcom
Speaker 1: eras all the time episode. Yeah, that's how technically the
Speaker 1: X Files and The Wire are in the same universe
Speaker 1: right there. Scully came through. Scully came through to get
Speaker 1: a get a get a nice, nice little bump of cracked.
Speaker 1: Speaking of crack. Yeah, that is a good introduction, and
Speaker 1: we'll get me off talking about what a fun crossover
Speaker 1: Holder and McNulty would have been. Um uh, yeah, we
Speaker 1: are talking. We are getting behind the hood bastards because
Speaker 1: we're talking about the crack epidemic and the Central Intelligence Agency.
Speaker 1: It's like the perfect It's also a perfect crossover. A
Speaker 1: perfect crossover, would think you'd need. I mean it is.
Speaker 1: I will say I get a little frustrated, as we'll
Speaker 1: be getting into in in my episodes whenever people are
Speaker 1: like the C I a brock crack to the inner
Speaker 1: City because guys, the NSC was a big part of
Speaker 1: it too. Very you know, Ali North was not slacking
Speaker 1: on this. Let's not give the CIA all the credit.
Speaker 1: This is what you will learn. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: You need to give people put some respect on their name.
Speaker 1: The NSC needs respect. Respect right now, that's branding right there.
Speaker 1: Reverse You ready for this reverse Bastard? Ya say? I
Speaker 1: am ready. Let's do it? Brow Okay, Sophie. How you feel?
Speaker 1: I feel like I don't have a script, which means
Speaker 1: it's like a normal Bastards episode, because Robert doesn't send
Speaker 1: me the script when I asked him to send it
Speaker 1: to me either. Listen, here's the thing. Uh, it's important.
Speaker 1: I don't know when this is coming out, but I
Speaker 1: think it's important to acknowledge that. Uh, this is the
Speaker 1: day after Queen Elizabeth passed and probably doubling as one
Speaker 1: of the greatest days on Black Twitter ever. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: black Twitter in Irish Twitter. We're both just listen a cylinders.
Speaker 1: It was just voltron of melanated people like people that
Speaker 1: seasonate food, just all got together, had a barbecue and
Speaker 1: was roast in the hell. And it's almost like y'all
Speaker 1: asked for it, because did nobody ask y'all to make
Speaker 1: her the symbolic figurehead of all that is the British empire?
Speaker 1: Y'all made her debt. Yeah, people, people are doing this
Speaker 1: whole thing where they're like, well, but she didn't really
Speaker 1: do you know? She she she's not the one who
Speaker 1: did all of the colonialism. Was like number one, she
Speaker 1: was thirty one years old when her government put like
Speaker 1: a million Kenyan people in concentration camp stern Uprising. Number one,
Speaker 1: let's talk about her. Watch some of that in fact,
Speaker 1: did happen while she wasn't charge. And number two, Uh,
Speaker 1: it's funny because she is representative of a terrible government
Speaker 1: and so let's laugh at it. And look, people are like, hey,
Speaker 1: your country doesn't have anywhere to talk. You guys made
Speaker 1: Donald Trump the president. Absolutely fine, Let's laugh when he
Speaker 1: dies too. It will be also funny when he dies,
Speaker 1: it'll be and and I'm like, yes, you're right, and
Speaker 1: I would hope that you would participate in the jokes.
Speaker 1: The point I'm trying to make is it was like
Speaker 1: these were I saw a tweet that said, we're mourning
Speaker 1: more than the death of a woman, but the death
Speaker 1: of a world, and I was like, yeah, number one,
Speaker 1: we not. And that's our point. That's why we're cracking jokes.
Speaker 1: Pretty you made her the picture of six fifty years
Speaker 1: of oppression. You did not me. So that's the case.
Speaker 1: Then we got something to say. Yeah, I am fairly
Speaker 1: certain that Ruyard Kipling, the poet laureate of the British Empire,
Speaker 1: wrote a whole poem about how that world wasn't very good.
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure. I'm pretty sure. Yeah. Anyway, anyway, it
Speaker 1: was one of the greatest days on Twitter. Let's get
Speaker 1: back to what we're gonna talk about here. Uh so,
Speaker 1: I guess i'll try to get try to start in yo,
Speaker 1: he hey, uh, what do you know about what are
Speaker 1: your feelings on cocaine? There? Uh? You know, look, I
Speaker 1: think it's not my favorite drug. I think it's a
Speaker 1: general rule overrated, certainly more expensive than over priced. Like,
Speaker 1: if I'm going to do a stimulant, right, if I
Speaker 1: really need to, like like keep myself wired, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: roll right on down to the old wall grains. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna get up pick up some Benza dregs and Hailer's,
Speaker 1: the ones that have Ben's a drain in them. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna pop that little cotton thing outside of the center.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna dunk it in a water bottle, and I'm
Speaker 1: gonna drink me some Bin's a drinks, some like classic
Speaker 1: seventies speed, you know, and then I'm gonna drive for
Speaker 1: thirty seven and a half hours. Um. But if I
Speaker 1: want to, you know, I've had some good times on cocaine,
Speaker 1: don't get me wrong. Um. And if you get the
Speaker 1: opportunity to snort a line of cocaine off of somebody's ass,
Speaker 1: you should take it. It's a worthwhile life experience. I mean,
Speaker 1: I feel like I feel like when you add all
Speaker 1: those additives, like this is my ass, I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: I mean that's the difference story by it by itself,
Speaker 1: I'd be like, ah, I mean, I'm from Los Angeles,
Speaker 1: so it's like you walk into somebody's party and they're like, hey,
Speaker 1: how you doing. What's up? Man? Welcome and make sure
Speaker 1: you take your shoes off, you know, because it's Hollywood party.
Speaker 1: And they're like, hey, coffee's over there, bars over there,
Speaker 1: coke's over there. Will be cool. So it's like it's
Speaker 1: so ubiquitous growing up and I've been able to be like,
Speaker 1: oh cool on that room. I'm saying, I don't need
Speaker 1: to go to the coke room. But if you add
Speaker 1: that there's a booty to snort off. Yeah, there's we're
Speaker 1: gonna be snorting off of someone's. Sure that's an experience, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's yeah. There's a thing like clubs in Berlin and stuff.
Speaker 1: It's really fun to go to a club where you're
Speaker 1: gonna be there for like thirty hours and like periodically
Speaker 1: take trips to the bathroom you through your friends to
Speaker 1: do lines. But if I'm gonna be doing lines in
Speaker 1: like the bathroom of a club in Berlin, I would
Speaker 1: prefer they'd be lines of ketamine than cocaine. Um, that's
Speaker 1: where I stand on cocaine. You talk about drugs the
Speaker 1: way underground rappers talk about rap, just like it's the
Speaker 1: most obscure ship like what the what wait, guitar nerds
Speaker 1: talk about like pedals and bands. The best place to
Speaker 1: snort drugs that I've ever snorted drugs is the kit
Speaker 1: Cat Club in Berlin. It goes down like five stories.
Speaker 1: It doesn't close for three or four days at a time.
Speaker 1: Great place to do lines in a bathroom. Absolutely number
Speaker 1: one word sound that sounds like quite an experience. Yeah,
Speaker 1: my German listeners are are nodding along and go yes. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: that's the part of that's the part of German culture.
Speaker 1: Don't nobody tell you about why the nerds was Google stepping,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. Yeah, it was downstairs running
Speaker 1: just hit and get bumps and rails. I actually think
Speaker 1: the club is made out of an old bomb shelter.
Speaker 1: But don't don't quote me. I don't quote you. So yeah, cocaine,
Speaker 1: you know, mixed opinions. Good. Well, Uh, I'm glad you
Speaker 1: think that, because we're gonna talk about I ran contra
Speaker 1: and yes, which ends with uh. That's the hard part
Speaker 1: with with with with with Sometimes with the bastards thing
Speaker 1: is like trying to figure out one who the bastard
Speaker 1: is and uh and where to start the story, but
Speaker 1: we definitely know that this ends with the loss of
Speaker 1: Whitney Houston. This ends with, yeah, the destruction of South
Speaker 1: Central and New York and the total flooding of our prisons,
Speaker 1: So we know that it ends there, and it's it's
Speaker 1: kind of rank and I think this is probably how
Speaker 1: we wind up having the episodes released. I Ran contrast
Speaker 1: kind of the middle of the story, right, because you
Speaker 1: have this period where the CIA is fucking around with
Speaker 1: some of the ideas that get turned into a Rand
Speaker 1: contra that honestly some of them start like thirty or
Speaker 1: forty years before this we'll talk about but yeah, this
Speaker 1: is kind of this is the middle, and it's it's
Speaker 1: the middle. So normally, I think, like it was difficult
Speaker 1: when I was plotting out my episodes because it doesn't
Speaker 1: connect to directly to the crack trade. Or it does,
Speaker 1: but but it's hard to understand why it connects to
Speaker 1: it if you don't have the first and the end
Speaker 1: parts of it. But also, a Ran contra is a
Speaker 1: fucking crazy story on its own, and you have to
Speaker 1: tell it like that. So I think what we're doing
Speaker 1: is smart. People will get the full context. But yeah,
Speaker 1: let's let's dive in. I can't wait to talk about
Speaker 1: my boy all the North. Oh man, we got something
Speaker 1: future bastard star so look so yeah so yeah, so
Speaker 1: crack attack this this this story what eventually cocaine Crack Cocaine,
Speaker 1: I ran contra all this stuff that he's talking about,
Speaker 1: Oliver North. It's almost like the at least for a
Speaker 1: hook politics, or for any sort of still living black
Speaker 1: or brown person that didn't necessarily live through like Jim
Speaker 1: Crow era or civil rights movement if you're somehow younger
Speaker 1: than that. This is sort of like this is the
Speaker 1: backdrop that we all kind of underst and it basically
Speaker 1: laid the playground the map for almost everything we talk about.
Speaker 1: For a number of reasons. It's almost like it's almost
Speaker 1: like how like in Game of Thrones, you've just accepted
Speaker 1: that there are dragons in their world, like you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, or you just or like like in
Speaker 1: Lord of the Rings, like Middle Earth is just the
Speaker 1: planet and there are things that like you know, the
Speaker 1: characters aren't necessarily pointing at, going oh yeah, yeah, there's
Speaker 1: such things as hobbits, you know what I'm saying, and
Speaker 1: you know, and orcs are because of Saramon and there
Speaker 1: was actually an ancient history. Like this is just the map.
Speaker 1: So if for you to understand a lot of gang violence, crips, bloods,
Speaker 1: all this stuff in the inner city, like this is
Speaker 1: part of the map that's necessary. But what's so crazy
Speaker 1: about it is is how it's connected to geopolitics. But
Speaker 1: like like Roberts trying to lay out with y'all, is
Speaker 1: where do you start this story? Do you start it
Speaker 1: with World War two? Do you start it with the
Speaker 1: Monroe doctor? Do you started with McCarthy? Is? Um, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying because all of this stuff, the
Speaker 1: reason why I ran contract had to happen is because
Speaker 1: of these other contexts. Right, So let's go ahead and
Speaker 1: dive in. You know, yes, yes, so uh, you know
Speaker 1: you're coming out of World War two starting the Cold War? Uh.
Speaker 1: And this might be reviewed for everybody, but you know,
Speaker 1: the Cold War was ultimately a war of ideas, Like
Speaker 1: whose idea gets to run the block? Right? Um, who's
Speaker 1: gonna run the world? Whether it's you know, liberal democracies
Speaker 1: or communist socialist regimes, cripts, bloods, vice lords, nor Daniel Sennos,
Speaker 1: It don't make no difference. If you just live here.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, y'all all gangsters, It don't
Speaker 1: make no difference, y'all just trying to run whatever turf
Speaker 1: you have. And at the end of the day for
Speaker 1: us as like regular civilians, just like just like in
Speaker 1: the uds, like you really you repping where your mam
Speaker 1: would pay a rent, Like I didn't choose this neighborhood.
Speaker 1: We just happen to live here, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And if that's the case, right, if you running this blog,
Speaker 1: the last thing you want is the enemy to be
Speaker 1: able to set up too close to home, right, that's
Speaker 1: the last thing you want. So the way that like yeah,
Speaker 1: you see, you see versions by the way of this logic,
Speaker 1: and like why Russia did what they did in Ukraine,
Speaker 1: right exactly this whole idea that you don't want the Yeah,
Speaker 1: you don't want the enemy setting up like and it's
Speaker 1: funked up what they're doing in Ukraine and what we're
Speaker 1: about to talk about the the same. It's that's the
Speaker 1: whole thing about Like we can't have y'all join NATO. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, because that's the enemy, Like
Speaker 1: y'all can't be clicked up with these people literally right
Speaker 1: next door. You can't have that, which was ultimately what
Speaker 1: happened through the sixties, seventies, and eighties and central in
Speaker 1: South America. America was like, we can't be having no
Speaker 1: Communists on our soil. Yeah, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: That's too close to home now, granted, And it's so
Speaker 1: crazy because if you, if you, if you, you know,
Speaker 1: knowing your stories, doing your Cold War history, if you
Speaker 1: talk to Korean War, you know, Vietnam War, we was
Speaker 1: cool with like compromise. We was cool with like going
Speaker 1: places as long as it was over there. You know
Speaker 1: I'm saying right, because you know North Korea, South Korea,
Speaker 1: that was an agreement. It was like, okay, cool, y'all
Speaker 1: can have North, will take South. You know what I mean,
Speaker 1: y'all support them. We'll see who the prophet is, We'll
Speaker 1: see how everything works out. And then but if full
Speaker 1: start feeling froggy, you know what I'm saying, then we're
Speaker 1: gonna come wrap our turf, right, which is the proxy
Speaker 1: wars of that time. But uh, at the end of
Speaker 1: the day, a lot of this situation stems from the
Speaker 1: idea of I just want to be the biggest dog
Speaker 1: on the blog. And I can't be letting nobody come
Speaker 1: into our turf, right, And these two operations I ran
Speaker 1: in contra ultimately was actually a very brilliant hustle. But
Speaker 1: if you speaking in like criminal sense, it's pretty brilliant.
Speaker 1: But it should have landed Ronald Reagan and Georgia. But
Speaker 1: Senior in jail of other people did it? Yeah, a
Speaker 1: lot of people should have went to jail. Ye. So
Speaker 1: so look, so let's start, and this is the middle
Speaker 1: of the story. So let's start in the middle of
Speaker 1: the middle. Let's just get real weird here, get all
Speaker 1: Tarantino on this mud. So I'm gonna start at October five.
Speaker 1: There's so there's this cargo plane, a Soviet bought plane
Speaker 1: with Soviet made a K forty seven's and mad weapons,
Speaker 1: flying over the Jungles and Nicarapola. And the plane had
Speaker 1: no plans on landing. It was just gonna drop its
Speaker 1: cargo and fly on off. And the guy that was
Speaker 1: flying it, um, we'll get to his name later because
Speaker 1: it's it's the most just white bread American name ever. Right,
Speaker 1: So he's flying over and he's about to drop these
Speaker 1: weapons over this, uh, this jungle in Nicaragua. And there
Speaker 1: was a young man named Jose Alaman who sees him
Speaker 1: in the sky, reads the lick, and he like, you
Speaker 1: ain't supposed to be over here, shoots the plane down
Speaker 1: just from nick jungle. Probably shouldn't have done that. This
Speaker 1: might not well for anybody. Yes, shoots the planes down.
Speaker 1: Now the question is who is Jose rapping. Jose's repping
Speaker 1: the Sandinistas. Now. The Sandinisis are a socialist party in
Speaker 1: Nicaragua who overthrew a dictatorship in nineteen seventy nine. Why
Speaker 1: this was such an issue was because this dictatorship was
Speaker 1: really cool with the US Reagan and them like really
Speaker 1: clicked with him. It was it was everything worked out.
Speaker 1: You did Joe part I did mine. Everything was cool.
Speaker 1: They were super supportive like that dude. But then the
Speaker 1: Sandinistas came in, over threw this dude, and San Denisa's crime,
Speaker 1: as far as America's concerned, is day socialists. And that's
Speaker 1: too close, you too close, you too close to ourhood.
Speaker 1: You can't be doing those socialist stuff over here, right,
Speaker 1: So the Sandinistas were the ones that shot this fool down, right.
Speaker 1: So the fool gets shot down. Uh, Jose Alaman turns
Speaker 1: him into his big homies, the big homies. The Sandinistas
Speaker 1: put this fool on TV right after he gets set down.
Speaker 1: So they put this fool on TV in Nicaragua, and
Speaker 1: they was like all right, hey, yo, gonna say y
Speaker 1: I'm you know what I mean? Like, what's your name?
Speaker 1: Tell the folk's your name? He was like, gene hass
Speaker 1: And Foss. That's not a real name. Boy day was
Speaker 1: gene Hassen Foss. That's not a real name. Crop with me.
Speaker 1: They was like, like, like where you from? He was
Speaker 1: like Wisconsin. Like mother hassing Foss from Wisconsin was getting
Speaker 1: the fun out of there. You're not supposed to be
Speaker 1: in Nicara. Well what do you do? Was flying a
Speaker 1: plane for the cargo weapons over a jungle Nicaragua. They
Speaker 1: was like, uh so, why don't you tell the people
Speaker 1: why are you here? Gene Hassa Foss from Wisconsin goes, well,
Speaker 1: the CIA told me to come here and drop off
Speaker 1: these weapons for the contrast. He just tells him exactly
Speaker 1: why you're right now. Your next question should be, uh,
Speaker 1: who are the contrast now? If you are around my age? Uh,
Speaker 1: the first time you ever heard of the term contrast
Speaker 1: was a video game where you was gonna ep up
Speaker 1: left left, up, up, down down left right left right
Speaker 1: b A B A select start. Remember this, Robert, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I's tell you get thirty men on the Contra game.
Speaker 1: Who knew that Contra was that? I have that tattooed
Speaker 1: and a part of my body I can't talk about
Speaker 1: on the on the go. It was a really important
Speaker 1: moment in history. It's like you learned how to hack
Speaker 1: a game like three men. Any Way, So the Contras
Speaker 1: were the group of people who were trying to overthrow
Speaker 1: the Sandinistas. They were a pro democracy, anti socialists, rebels, right,
Speaker 1: So so this they where they build themselves as pro democracy.
Speaker 1: Let's let's say the story. Yeah, yeah, that's that's the
Speaker 1: claim they're making at this point in the story that
Speaker 1: even though the Sandinistas have overthrown a dictatorship and the
Speaker 1: government they put in place is going to have some
Speaker 1: problems too, but the fucking Contra is a big part
Speaker 1: of what they're doing. Is like, well, let's go back
Speaker 1: to the way things were they when we had that dictator.
Speaker 1: Because the dictator it was one of those dictator where
Speaker 1: you've got elections but they're not real. You all know
Speaker 1: the story. Yeah, it's it's kind of like, Okay, so
Speaker 1: you're having problems at school, right with with some some dudes, right,
Speaker 1: and you go ask the last person you should go ask, like,
Speaker 1: you know, your cousin Mark. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Your cousin Marks, like, are you need help? We'll get
Speaker 1: your help. Yeah, do you hope to say? Here? But
Speaker 1: it's like is this help? Is this juice worth the squeeze? Right?
Speaker 1: Your cousin Mark is saying, Hey, I'm just doing this
Speaker 1: because I'm your cousin. Man. I love y'all said everything straight. Now,
Speaker 1: Cousin Mark is not necessarily the person you should be
Speaker 1: clicking with. So anyway, Cousin Mark maybe expected Cousin Mark
Speaker 1: maybe come back for a favor later. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. There's some phone calls you don't make because
Speaker 1: they're gonna cost more than they're giving you. Right. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So anyway, so they put the boy on on TV.
Speaker 1: He was like, Yo, the c I A uh told
Speaker 1: me to drop this stuff off. Now. I don't know
Speaker 1: how familiar you are with civics laws or anything like that,
Speaker 1: but that's pretty illegal. You can't just be you can't
Speaker 1: just be dropping off weapons in a country like that. Right.
Speaker 1: Uh so so wants to say, Ninisa's put this man
Speaker 1: on TV for everybody to see. They like, all right, America,
Speaker 1: you got something to say. Look, here go your boy. Right.
Speaker 1: So the US Secretary of State a man named George Saltz,
Speaker 1: who we will talk about a lot later. Oh boy,
Speaker 1: yes we will, board member George. Don't you dare forget it? Yes,
Speaker 1: this man comes to the podium and it's like, I'm
Speaker 1: sorry for that man, but I don't know who he
Speaker 1: is he was. It was like, uh, first of all,
Speaker 1: if if a government official, this is any government comes
Speaker 1: up after something like this happens and says we don't
Speaker 1: know who that if they specifically go up to say
Speaker 1: we don't know that man, that's their man. That that's
Speaker 1: the way that all we know it. Right, Yeah, come on, man,
Speaker 1: that's their guy. That's the boy. Yeah, he was like
Speaker 1: that man a list? Did he have no military idea
Speaker 1: on him? Was he part of the CIA? That's a
Speaker 1: private citizen. That man decided on his own and he's
Speaker 1: a free will to have military grade weapons that he
Speaker 1: could fly over a country on a plane among us
Speaker 1: not inspired. Yes, of course that's a lie, right, But
Speaker 1: the NSC, which we will again talk about later, had
Speaker 1: a code name called Project Democracy, which is what was
Speaker 1: actually happening at that moment. And the leader and again
Speaker 1: that we mentioned before, future pod star Oliver north Um,
Speaker 1: knows that this is all CAPP and he's actually in
Speaker 1: charge with all of this, and that is absolutely our guns,
Speaker 1: that's absolutely our money, and that's absolutely what's happening. We
Speaker 1: was giving weapons to the contract. Yeah, we got to
Speaker 1: back up to figure out how we got there. So
Speaker 1: let's introduce some players here. Uh, you know Robert Bud McFarland.
Speaker 1: You heard it his dude, Oh yes, yes, Robert Bud McFarland.
Speaker 1: He's the the NSC chair. He's the NSC chair. Yeah.
Speaker 1: He used to work for Kissinger and Nixon and was
Speaker 1: like totally admired them. And he is a he is
Speaker 1: a when we talk about cold warriors, this man is
Speaker 1: a hard core cold warrior. A you like, whatever you
Speaker 1: have to do to stop the spread of communism is
Speaker 1: justified kind of guy. Not a dude does not give
Speaker 1: a shit about elections. You've given how you get it?
Speaker 1: How you we out here. Yeah, And McFarland is also
Speaker 1: one of the things that's interesting about him. He is
Speaker 1: the guy, the first guy to centralize UM U S
Speaker 1: intelligence like information UH to like through a computer system effectively,
Speaker 1: Like they have this system of terminals UM in the
Speaker 1: White House, and I believe also in the Pentagon that
Speaker 1: every all UH like basically all intelligence from every agency
Speaker 1: is getting routed through And he's the first guy who
Speaker 1: does that. And when he centralizes the flow of that information,
Speaker 1: he's also centralizing power for U S intelligence operations in
Speaker 1: the NSC in a way that it hadn't been for
Speaker 1: a while. And and yeah, and it's partially because of
Speaker 1: this debacle. Yeah, it was like exactly what the left
Speaker 1: hand doesn't know what the right is doing. Right, And
Speaker 1: they're not, by the by the way, because we're so
Speaker 1: used to these people lying all the time. When like
Speaker 1: guys like Schultz get up and say, well, I don't
Speaker 1: we don't know that guy, they're not always lying. You're
Speaker 1: not always lying that they don't know that guy, because
Speaker 1: that's a smart way to do it, right, if you're
Speaker 1: the CIA or whatever, you don't necessarily want the fucking
Speaker 1: UH sect deaf or the chief of staff the NSC
Speaker 1: had to know what all your guys are doing. It's
Speaker 1: better if they can honestly be like, yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: And you also, we'll talk about this more in my episodes.
Speaker 1: There's guys in the CIA who can honestly say, no,
Speaker 1: we were not doing this because in there, from what
Speaker 1: they know, they don't know that that's going on. Because
Speaker 1: all of these people are lying to everyone, including each other.
Speaker 1: That's the way that the intelligence industry works exactly. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it's yeah, it's plausible deniability. And listen, how I
Speaker 1: survived living in the cities I've lived in was that
Speaker 1: was like, don't tell me. I don't know, so I
Speaker 1: don't want to know. Don't tell me, Like I don't
Speaker 1: know how this food got here. I don't know how
Speaker 1: you paid for that. I don't know why that like,
Speaker 1: I don't know. You know what I'm saying, So when
Speaker 1: you ask, it's an honest truth. I don't know who
Speaker 1: that is. I never met that man. Yes, so who
Speaker 1: Actually another a little tidbit about Bud McFarland actually took
Speaker 1: his own life later on. Good for him. I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't know how is he was gonna get out
Speaker 1: of it it is critical support. Yeah. So but let's back
Speaker 1: up even from this point. So we got Robert McFarland
Speaker 1: or Bud McFarland as he's called. Uh. And you got
Speaker 1: Ronald Reagan, you Oliver North, you got George was Senior.
Speaker 1: But let's go back to October three in Beyrout, Okay.
Speaker 1: And on this day, there's this marine barrack that's in
Speaker 1: the middle of Lebanon right in bay that's just kind
Speaker 1: of posted up to air quotes keep the Peace during
Speaker 1: the Lebanese series Civil War. And it does a great
Speaker 1: job of that. It does a great job. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: because by Routes, you know, since we got there, never
Speaker 1: had any problems. You know, it was fine, right, doing great.
Speaker 1: Today it's doing great, you know. And as a side
Speaker 1: note with this story, I uh, man, I'm so off
Speaker 1: the rails, but I think this is what I love
Speaker 1: about this show. So it's speaking of how well they've
Speaker 1: done it keeping peace in Beyroute. I remember I was
Speaker 1: at this event up in the Colorado Mountains like this,
Speaker 1: Like I was performing for these freakishly wealthy people. It
Speaker 1: was a dope thing. It was like entrepreneurship for good like,
Speaker 1: so these people are not like annoying wealthy, they're just
Speaker 1: like wealthy wealthy, you know what I'm saying, like kind
Speaker 1: of like the like oh you still work for money
Speaker 1: kind of wealthy like that, that type of wealthy. Right.
Speaker 1: So we were talking about I think it was like
Speaker 1: either right before the pandemic, so it was like early
Speaker 1: um and we were talking about what was happening on
Speaker 1: the Syrian Iraq border with the Kurds and you know,
Speaker 1: and just like some stuff was going on and I
Speaker 1: was like, dang, that's crazy. And then it was this
Speaker 1: one lady was like, wait, what are you talking about?
Speaker 1: And she was clearly Arab. She's like, what are you
Speaker 1: talking about? And I was like, well, dang, like you know,
Speaker 1: what's what's happening in Syrian around border? And she was
Speaker 1: like what, I haven't heard of that? And I was
Speaker 1: like in my head, I completely judged her. And I
Speaker 1: was like, see, you know what wealth, when you just
Speaker 1: get rich man, you just like you just you just
Speaker 1: don't never know what else is going on. And she
Speaker 1: was like, oh no, I don't think you understand. I'm
Speaker 1: from bay Rout. She was like there's always this. We've
Speaker 1: we've been in Civil War my whole and it's always
Speaker 1: like this. So I thought this was something that just
Speaker 1: wasn't what it always was. And I definitely got corrected
Speaker 1: because I was like, man, I judged this lady. She
Speaker 1: didn't live through some of the worst, the worst. It's
Speaker 1: another fucking fight on the block for her, And like
Speaker 1: the knacks are different, It's another fight on the goddamn block. Right,
Speaker 1: it's East el A shooting out, shooting out, fireworks. It's like,
Speaker 1: that's just I don't even noticed anymore. So but during
Speaker 1: this time, uh, one day, early in the morning, truck
Speaker 1: comes barreling through their gates, boom, crashes into their barrack,
Speaker 1: pounds of T n T blows the whole ship up,
Speaker 1: at least two people dead. Right, total asymmetrical warfare, something
Speaker 1: that like America hadn't seen before uh at the time, right,
Speaker 1: And it was clearly obvious who did it. It was
Speaker 1: like the most the worst kept secret in the world.
Speaker 1: Hes blood, they hiding right there in that valley data
Speaker 1: ones who did this, right and asymmetrical warfare For everybody
Speaker 1: who doesn't understand it's it's it's a very simple situation
Speaker 1: that like all of us in our lives have had
Speaker 1: to do this at some point where you have somebody
Speaker 1: that's just towering bigger than you, it's ridiculous to try
Speaker 1: to square up with them. Yeah, you're not gonna You're
Speaker 1: not Hesbah is not gonna like take on a couple
Speaker 1: of hundred marines fully suited up with air support. But
Speaker 1: if you m a fucking bomb under the erics, you
Speaker 1: can achieve the same ends. If you works pretty well,
Speaker 1: it works pretty well. Listen, if you were to mouth
Speaker 1: off so bad and it would never happen. But if
Speaker 1: you were a mouth off so bad to Sophie, and
Speaker 1: Sophie decided, Okay, you know what, I'm gonna have to
Speaker 1: fund this dude up right, which would never happen. But Sophie,
Speaker 1: I would not tell I would. My suggestion to you
Speaker 1: would be, you need to bite, you need to kick,
Speaker 1: you need to grab bats. There is no such thing
Speaker 1: as playing fair. He is twice show size. This is asymmetrical.
Speaker 1: You do what you gotta do. You know what I'm
Speaker 1: saying again, this would never happen. This is why Sophie
Speaker 1: keeps that ryder truck packed full of explosives outside of
Speaker 1: my house just in case, Just in case, that's right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I also do have a lot of United States
Speaker 1: Marines quartered in my home right on the other side
Speaker 1: of that screen, one of them just like bro uh
Speaker 1: so so yeah, so blew it up, did this and
Speaker 1: like we said, Bud McFarland, former Marine super Cold Warrior,
Speaker 1: is like, uh, we can't let this ride. Well and
Speaker 1: fucking Reagan. So Reagan has just come to office after
Speaker 1: pushing Carter out, and the thing he runs on is
Speaker 1: all of these guys got captured in Iran and Carter
Speaker 1: couldn't get him out, right, they had you attempt. He's weak.
Speaker 1: He's made America Week on the national stage, and I'm
Speaker 1: gonna I'm gonna make sure that Americans are protected overseas. Right,
Speaker 1: this is a huge deal. And this is not the
Speaker 1: only thing that Reagan's dealing with. There's like an unprecedented
Speaker 1: surgeon attacks on US embassies when Reagan is in office,
Speaker 1: I think more than under any other president. Like it's
Speaker 1: going like this is a real problem for him because
Speaker 1: he's he's staring at re election and this is like
Speaker 1: fucking It's not a nine eleven level thing, but for
Speaker 1: people of that era, it was like pretty close. This
Speaker 1: is like a huge fucking deal. This was absurd. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like that because because it was so, it was more
Speaker 1: like the disrespect, like this is the audacity dog like
Speaker 1: y'all don't no one respects your gangster no more. Right, So,
Speaker 1: like you said, Bug mcfar in, George Schultz, we talked
Speaker 1: about before. They all agree, They're like, man, we can't
Speaker 1: let this, we can't let this ride. But there was
Speaker 1: some dissenting voices. Defense Secretary Casper Weinberger, Right, he was like, listen,
Speaker 1: y'all got a reasonable man in the administer the most reason.
Speaker 1: He was like, listen, y'all gotta chi do y'all remember Vietnam?
Speaker 1: Like do you like, do you really think America is
Speaker 1: gonna let us go fight somebody else's war again? Like
Speaker 1: I don't remember this ship went Vietnam, which has been
Speaker 1: over for like ten years at this point. Yeah, like
Speaker 1: it's very recent. You'll remember these boys. They was like
Speaker 1: burning there was burning a draft cards like it was
Speaker 1: a thing. Like, honestly, it's about as far it's about
Speaker 1: for them. It's about the end of Vietnam is about
Speaker 1: as far as the end of Like um, the US
Speaker 1: occupation of Iraq on a big scalect isn't there, Just
Speaker 1: like it's really really recent for them. Yeah. So they're
Speaker 1: like listen, Dog, like, you can't just we just can't
Speaker 1: do this without the public support. Right. So oh, Ronnie
Speaker 1: is like, all right, I feel you. Uh, maybe we
Speaker 1: should just bounce in. But Bud is like, listen, if
Speaker 1: we bitch out, it's gonna happen again. Right, we cannot
Speaker 1: bitch out like this. Uh. And so Bud continues to
Speaker 1: stay in Reagan's ear and he's like, listen, I'm trying
Speaker 1: to tell you we can't we we can't do this.
Speaker 1: But Ronnie's like, nah, they right, I'm up for reelection,
Speaker 1: like you said, like, let's go ahead and fall back, right,
Speaker 1: So why they So they fall back, right, but when
Speaker 1: America falls back, we don't really fall back, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Like, so we may have removed the Marines,
Speaker 1: but the c I a state because remember we still
Speaker 1: had hostages out there, right, we still had hostages in
Speaker 1: Iran and that were held by hesblah and hesblah. Again.
Speaker 1: Worst kept secret is totally supported by the Irani government.
Speaker 1: I had totally holmany right, Like it's just like it's
Speaker 1: not a secret it's out in the open secret ye
Speaker 1: like to day, like heah is is armed to a
Speaker 1: significant extent and often functions is like an extension of
Speaker 1: the Iranian military. It's a whole it's a whole thing, right,
Speaker 1: it's a whole them are we all got our proxies um,
Speaker 1: which doesn't mean that they're also like that there aren't
Speaker 1: conflicts between like hesblah and the Iranian government because like
Speaker 1: none of these are. The fact that someone's a proxy
Speaker 1: doesn't mean that like they don't have their own ship
Speaker 1: that they're doing the world is the world anyway? Whatever? Yeah,
Speaker 1: they still and it's all it's worth note. One of
Speaker 1: the fun things. There's a really wonderful book called Landslide
Speaker 1: by my probably favorite journalist who writes books, Jane Mayer,
Speaker 1: about the Reagan administration in this period, and one of
Speaker 1: the things she'll point out is that, like, especially once
Speaker 1: you hit like three four five, Reagan is starting to
Speaker 1: have the early effects of Alzheimer's. And he's also just
Speaker 1: because of his he's kind of his personality. He's kind
Speaker 1: of this like amiable like man and not a very
Speaker 1: intellectual guy. And so one of the things he's known
Speaker 1: for by the people that he brings into his white house.
Speaker 1: Is that like the most important thing is to kind
Speaker 1: of be the last guy talking to him, because often
Speaker 1: do so. There are conflicts between McFarlane and Weinberger and
Speaker 1: Schultz where they're all like just like primarily the thing
Speaker 1: they're doing is like scheming to get the most time
Speaker 1: in their schedules sitting and having like five minute meetings
Speaker 1: with Ronnie because the more of those you can pack in,
Speaker 1: the better you can do of like getting it into
Speaker 1: his little brain whatever it is you want him to do.
Speaker 1: Like McFarland's calling him on the phone when he's not
Speaker 1: supposed to be calling him on the phone. It's very funny, dude,
Speaker 1: It's so funny. I got some of those stories in
Speaker 1: my script here. We're just they they're doing exactly that, Like, uh,
Speaker 1: do you talk to me? You know I'm about to
Speaker 1: talk to right now, you know, because you know I'm
Speaker 1: gonna'm gonna get it. I'm gonna get in there. Yeah yeah, yeah, no,
Speaker 1: I'll send a note right now. Yeah. It's because you
Speaker 1: want to be the last dude to give him the idea.
Speaker 1: So yeah, so they're like, yo, if we bitch up,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, it's just like the shut
Speaker 1: the funk up, you ain't gonna do ship. Like if
Speaker 1: we don't do ship, they don't do it again. Right,
Speaker 1: And five months later they absolutely did it again. So
Speaker 1: in March of eighty four, there was a marine named
Speaker 1: William Casey and was a Casey. Yeah, you know, William Buckley.
Speaker 1: My fault. Sorry, Casey is the the he's the head
Speaker 1: of CIA, William Buckley. So, William, but there's a lot
Speaker 1: of these fucking guys, a lot of dudes. It's hard
Speaker 1: to keep them together. But yeah, So William Buckley was
Speaker 1: one of the CIA agents that stayed back after Air
Speaker 1: Quotes America left and it was his job to work
Speaker 1: with the special the Special Forces of Israel to try
Speaker 1: to go get our hostages from Hesbllah out of Iran. Right,
Speaker 1: So that was his role, right, and then one day, right,
Speaker 1: And it's the specifics of this is what makes it
Speaker 1: so beautiful. Everybody knows, or everybody should know. Like, if
Speaker 1: you a spot, you probably shouldn't drive your own car
Speaker 1: to work, you know what I'm saying, You should probably like,
Speaker 1: you know, spend the block a couple of times, like
Speaker 1: figure out other ways to go. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: you know, need to notice is a fucking bike. Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: you should know that the streets is watching. You should
Speaker 1: just know right well, the streets was watching this fool train.
Speaker 1: You know. Everybody has off days, messed around and on
Speaker 1: his way to work. The day that they was gonna
Speaker 1: go run, they sting operation to get their folks out
Speaker 1: that day. He gets captured. Rights, but it captures that
Speaker 1: fool that day. Put the homie on camera, sends it
Speaker 1: now to William Casey, the head of c i A,
Speaker 1: and he like, what now, homie, what y'all gonna do? Right?
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, y'all need to y'all need
Speaker 1: to go head on home, you know. And the CIA
Speaker 1: sees it, sends it to Old Ronnie and Bud McFarland is,
Speaker 1: like I told Joe, asked, this is what was gonna happen, right,
Speaker 1: We need to figure out what the funk to do,
Speaker 1: you know, and they have this idea. Bud McFarland actually
Speaker 1: has the idea. Bud goes, Okay, listen, there's nowhere in
Speaker 1: the world. Everybody in Iran fuck with the Ayatollah and
Speaker 1: there's no way they have to have enemies out there, right,
Speaker 1: So if that's the case, what if we just tap
Speaker 1: in with those people? Right? And while no one can
Speaker 1: agree on what to do, a year past, six more
Speaker 1: people get kidnapped, right while they trying to figure out
Speaker 1: what the hell to do? Mad people are getting kidnapped. Right,
Speaker 1: No one can figure out what to do. So so
Speaker 1: they're like, Okay, well we gotta we gotta figure out something. Right,
Speaker 1: Maybe there's somebody out there, like they said, that doesn't
Speaker 1: really mess with them, right, So this food but in
Speaker 1: July gets a call from one of his homies, one
Speaker 1: of his homies that that is like tapped in in Israel.
Speaker 1: This guy named who is probably my favorite character in
Speaker 1: this story, good Boni far right, my favorite character. He
Speaker 1: is such a beautiful con man and he has the
Speaker 1: United Yeah, I'm so excited for this. Yes, oh so yeah,
Speaker 1: so good Bota fart of me is like did you
Speaker 1: see that did y'all see that Denzel Washington movie where
Speaker 1: he was a pilot and he was always an alcoholic
Speaker 1: and connected John Goodman, John Goodman so good in that movie. Yes,
Speaker 1: the movie itself kind of but Midman as as a
Speaker 1: drug dealer, Oh my gosh right or take so take
Speaker 1: that image and and compare it and connected to the
Speaker 1: image of Adam Sandler in that Jeweler movie where you're
Speaker 1: just like just jumpy and like just like always got
Speaker 1: us to grows weirdo. Yeah. Yeah, but somehow, obviously it's
Speaker 1: been able to deliver you know what I'm saying, by
Speaker 1: the skin of his teeth. Again, that's a call you
Speaker 1: don't want to make unless you actually have to make it. Right.
Speaker 1: So he was like, Yo, I heard about your situation.
Speaker 1: I gotta connect from some people out there in Iran
Speaker 1: that don't really mess with Hornanian them. So I kind
Speaker 1: of feel like there's a way we could get your hostages.
Speaker 1: I found them that said, Yo, we we mess with y'all.
Speaker 1: We're gonna get you all hostages, but we're gonna need
Speaker 1: something in return. Yeah, and Robert wants tell them what
Speaker 1: they need in return. Well, you know, so they're around
Speaker 1: is fighting. There's this whole war with the Rock and
Speaker 1: it's not going great. Um, it's it's not going It's
Speaker 1: actually the most similar war to the Irana Rock Wars
Speaker 1: probably what's going on in Ukraine right now. Um and Iran.
Speaker 1: You know, they get invaded, and they're on their back
Speaker 1: foot for a while, but they start pushing the Iraqis
Speaker 1: back with these human wave attacks and so then there's
Speaker 1: this reverse in the war. But they can't really break
Speaker 1: all the way through the Iraqi lines because Iraq has
Speaker 1: pretty competent tank battalions and so they need. What they're
Speaker 1: gonna need is fucking anti tank missiles. They're gonna need
Speaker 1: these like new fucking badass anti tank and anti aircraft missiles,
Speaker 1: these things called hawks um that can knock Iraqi bombers
Speaker 1: out of this guy. Because Iraq is bombing Tehran on
Speaker 1: a daily basis during the US right right now, we
Speaker 1: need fucking and when we talk about like missiles, that's
Speaker 1: the missiles they mean, it's the stuff that we're sending
Speaker 1: Ukraine right now, right it's man portable anti armor and
Speaker 1: anti aircraft missiles. We need heaters, We need Blicky's. We
Speaker 1: need heaters you right, like, because like we got our
Speaker 1: own situation here, we had no boy scouts fam handling
Speaker 1: the heaters that like you only get from the United
Speaker 1: or the Soviet Union directly, their own versions of this stuff. Exactly,
Speaker 1: y'all got the good ship. We need the good ship. Right,
Speaker 1: so they're like, so they have so good Bonnafarre like, look,
Speaker 1: they got him, but you gotta sell them these weapons, right,
Speaker 1: And if you're paying attention, which I'm pretty sure you are,
Speaker 1: that kind of sound like we trade in West weapons
Speaker 1: for hostages. It does sound a little bit of sound
Speaker 1: like that, right, But the boy Bonafar is like, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: no no no no no no no no no no, no,
Speaker 1: no no no, that's not what y'all doing. You're not
Speaker 1: giving weapons. You're not trading weapons for hostages. Fam Listen,
Speaker 1: it'll work like this, will sell them the weapons, and
Speaker 1: you just tighten us up on the back end. And
Speaker 1: not wrong with you selling us weapons. We are homies,
Speaker 1: like everybody know we sell it. Alleger gonna look the same, bro.
Speaker 1: Listen they listen, it ain't gonna be It's no big deal.
Speaker 1: Gone chill, everybody, relax it, relax, listen, sell sell us
Speaker 1: the weapons, and that's what the paper will say. And
Speaker 1: then we listen. It runs our homies. We could do
Speaker 1: whatever we want with the weapons. You sell them. The
Speaker 1: Alleger gonna look fine, bro, don't even trip. Nobody will know.
Speaker 1: Everything cool, Everybody cool, everybody cool. Okay, good, right, So
Speaker 1: the idea is like it will work, like this is real.
Speaker 1: We'll get the weapons, get the missiles, get the hawk things,
Speaker 1: put the heaters in boxes. Take that cargo plane the
Speaker 1: Lisbon Portugal. Right, let let it go to Portugal. It'll
Speaker 1: clear customs, everything's good, get stamps on it. Come out
Speaker 1: of Lisbon, fly into Tehran where Gabonafar will be there
Speaker 1: and he'll slang the weapons to the Rani, to the
Speaker 1: Irani people. It'll look it'll be super perfect. They're gonna
Speaker 1: get their weapons. They'll go in and they'll give your
Speaker 1: hostages and send them hostages home. Um, which is of course,
Speaker 1: in fact, trading arms for hostages. That's exactly what it is.
Speaker 1: This is us negotiating with terrorists. But again, go Bonafar
Speaker 1: is like, what do you mean You're not negotiating with terrorists.
Speaker 1: We that's what we do with these weapons is our business.
Speaker 1: And you know again, if you say it like that
Speaker 1: and you've got somebody as smooth as good Bonafar, you
Speaker 1: could be like, you know what, anybody you got a
Speaker 1: friend that could convince you with anything? Do you got
Speaker 1: one of them? Oh? Yeah, absolutely, I mean that's yeah,
Speaker 1: that's why I've done a lot of the cocaine. All
Speaker 1: the stuff you're talking about, right, is the friend that
Speaker 1: will convince you of anything, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So this is the friend that will convince you of anything.
Speaker 1: But you should you should know good and well after
Speaker 1: sitting in the amount of holding tanks you may have
Speaker 1: set and sat in that maybe I should stop listening
Speaker 1: to exactly nothing like the paper. Look, the paper looks fine, right,
Speaker 1: So they run back, they tell ron They tell Ronnie
Speaker 1: Ronnie Reagan. Ronnie like, well, shit, I mean run it.
Speaker 1: I guess you know what I'm saying. Like it seemed
Speaker 1: good to me. You know what I'm saying. Are we cool? Right?
Speaker 1: And he like, okay, So covert operation. I don't sound
Speaker 1: like at least Paperwork is concerned. It don't sound like
Speaker 1: we've done nothing wrong. But for this to work, Ronnie
Speaker 1: has to do run this thing that's called a finding, right,
Speaker 1: which is a document, a confidential document. It is a
Speaker 1: directive that says the President finds that this operation is
Speaker 1: in the best interests of natural security. It's just a
Speaker 1: stupid piece of paper. You gotta run it to Congress
Speaker 1: so that nobody is not in the know, because the
Speaker 1: last thing the government, like especially elected officials, they never
Speaker 1: want to seem like they caught off guard that they
Speaker 1: do a lot of this, like the fact that they
Speaker 1: have to do all this in order to like legally
Speaker 1: do something like this is because of the ship the
Speaker 1: CIA got up to in the fifties and sixties and
Speaker 1: seventies that like we talk about in the CIA episodes
Speaker 1: where all of that those governments they overthrew the ship
Speaker 1: that goes on in Argentina and guatemal Like that's results
Speaker 1: in a bunch of committees because people find out about
Speaker 1: it and they're like, are you guys just like destroying
Speaker 1: countries without waking anyone? Wait? We did? What what you know?
Speaker 1: Oh man? How many dogs? Just think about your parents
Speaker 1: opening a door, which and you and a cop are
Speaker 1: standing on your ports and they like, what dides little
Speaker 1: food do get in the house? You know what I'm saying. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's both why a lot of this starts with the
Speaker 1: NSC and not the CIA. You know, they're involved, but
Speaker 1: it's it's McFarland who's driving a lot of what happens.
Speaker 1: And it's also why there's the guy who's in charge
Speaker 1: of the CIA, Bill Casey, his whole motivation, he was
Speaker 1: like a heart. He was like a fucking boots on
Speaker 1: the ground spook in World War two, like like doing
Speaker 1: some like gnarly body shit. Um. And his whole motivation
Speaker 1: in life is to get back to when the CIA
Speaker 1: gets to do that kind of stuff again. Right, So,
Speaker 1: like anyway, that's imagine that being much more fun when
Speaker 1: you just didn't have to like tell anybody what you're doing,
Speaker 1: and you could just overthrow governments and and Bill bill
Speaker 1: Casey is reading about him is fun, but in like
Speaker 1: a my like like in an L. Ron Hubbard way,
Speaker 1: like how did he get away with all this? You did? What? Yeah?
Speaker 1: So Schultz and why Burger are like, okay, this is
Speaker 1: a huge mistake. But you know, Bud, I Ronnie's ear.
Speaker 1: I guess we're doing this now, answered his man named
Speaker 1: Don Rique, who's the presidential chief of staff. Right, but
Speaker 1: by the way, let's all deal with the elephant in
Speaker 1: the room. Ronald Reagan's uh chief of staff was Donald Reagan.
Speaker 1: That's just okay, let's let's just we just sit with
Speaker 1: that for just a second, sit with it, alright. I
Speaker 1: can't make this ship up like this is like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's we're in a simulation. Like that makes you feel
Speaker 1: like we're in a simulation. You can't let that happen, Ronald.
Speaker 1: But of course, of course whatever. But I mean he's
Speaker 1: an absolute dick hole. Like, well, we'll talk about him.
Speaker 1: He's such a hole, all of these guys. Yes. Uh.
Speaker 1: There was even a moment where this fool like tries
Speaker 1: to get but like like dragged in public while he
Speaker 1: tells the he tells the press that this fool was
Speaker 1: cheating on his wife. He just just messy, just making
Speaker 1: up ship. So anyway, while all this ship is going
Speaker 1: down August three, Um, Ronnie tells this fool, Okay, everybody
Speaker 1: on the ground, Okay, it's on. Let's do this thing right,
Speaker 1: tap in with Israel. Let's tap in with the Israel
Speaker 1: at least, let's get this thing cracking right. So is like,
Speaker 1: all right, let's make it happen. Let's do what we
Speaker 1: gotta do. Um, Let's make sure everything run. So the
Speaker 1: thing starts running and run. Then things starts running, and
Speaker 1: then they put Oliver north Is where he starts in place.
Speaker 1: So Oliver Morth is the guy that's like, all right, hey,
Speaker 1: can you oversee all this ship right now, everybody knows,
Speaker 1: well not everybody knows. That's the hard part. Nobody knows
Speaker 1: except for the CIA that you can't trust gabon Afar.
Speaker 1: Matter of fact, this nig a blacklisted like like he already,
Speaker 1: but don't tell nobody. Yeah, while the while everyone else
Speaker 1: in the intelligence apparatus is like setting up a heat,
Speaker 1: like pinning all of their hopes and dreams on this
Speaker 1: man case. He's got like this list of times Gabona
Speaker 1: Farre has fucked us over and then he's just like
Speaker 1: not sharing what you like. The Reagan administration is if
Speaker 1: you could just like turn your soul off for a
Speaker 1: little while and not think about all the people who die,
Speaker 1: it's extremely funny. It's hilarious, yes, because I'm like, fam
Speaker 1: you okay, you're seeing all this happening. You're seeing artists
Speaker 1: and you notice fool shady and you ain't saying nothing
Speaker 1: like you're not a friend, you're not a team player,
Speaker 1: Like how is you like like bro speak up right?
Speaker 1: So anyway, there's this motivation people have lately to talk
Speaker 1: about how like, well, you know, the government when you
Speaker 1: get right down to it politics, all these guys it's
Speaker 1: the same as like what gangs do. Um, they're just
Speaker 1: wearing suits. They're just gang bangers and suits. But I
Speaker 1: might argue, if you're a gang banger, you have to
Speaker 1: be a lot smarter because these guys are sloppy as person.
Speaker 1: So fast if you were like, these guys are the
Speaker 1: messiest people. If if this situation happened on the streets
Speaker 1: and you was part of the set and you knew
Speaker 1: this full with shady, you would get you would get
Speaker 1: what's called DP, which is disciplined. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: which means we've beena beat your ass. You know I'm saying,
Speaker 1: because like you bust all in danger and you knew better,
Speaker 1: Like speak up, you know what I'm saying. Like you,
Speaker 1: like you won't get it, You're gonna get it bad.
Speaker 1: So so it starts getting cracking, right. Uh. First shipment
Speaker 1: goes in. It's kind of weird, you know, like I said,
Speaker 1: it kind of worked, went off to Lisbon. Uh, you know,
Speaker 1: goes off to Lisbon. Uh comes back down. They get
Speaker 1: the thing they're so supposed to be, the plan was
Speaker 1: supposed to be. Once you get your first shipment, you
Speaker 1: need to send us Uh William Buckley, send our guy, right,
Speaker 1: and this is like gnarly for because they've got pictures
Speaker 1: of Buckley, you know, they think he's being tortured. I
Speaker 1: think it turns out that he was just like got
Speaker 1: sick and was not treated properly. So that's what they said.
Speaker 1: They was like, they was like, so once the thing works,
Speaker 1: it was like, uh okay, so we got this thing,
Speaker 1: here's the arms dealer, let's send it off. And Iran
Speaker 1: was like once they got their shipment, Iran was like,
Speaker 1: uh ay, he too sick to travel. We can't send him.
Speaker 1: And you wait, wait wait, wait, wait, wait wait wait
Speaker 1: you got your weapons though, like we paid, were just
Speaker 1: sitting you a lot of weapons. We need our dude.
Speaker 1: And they're like, oh man, sorry, fam. You send the
Speaker 1: next one though, Send the next order and we should
Speaker 1: be cool. Right now. Anybody's antennas should come up here, right,
Speaker 1: you understand what I'm saying. But since these fools are
Speaker 1: bad at being gangsters, they send the next shipment. But
Speaker 1: the next shipment goes wrong. Right, you were supposed to
Speaker 1: send five hundred uh Hawk missiles, right, there's they're supposed
Speaker 1: to send five hundred Hawk missiles. They only got a
Speaker 1: hunted right, and they was like, I don't understand what's
Speaker 1: going on. Did Israel, you know, change the price like
Speaker 1: something's not Like the ledgers aren't working. Be Remember there's
Speaker 1: so many middlemen, it's hard to figure out what's going on.
Speaker 1: Then then there's another ship mint right in November, and
Speaker 1: when this ship man happens, it gets sent back. It
Speaker 1: goes So when this one's happening, it's supposed to go
Speaker 1: to Lisbon. Lisbon doesn't clear the customs, right, so the
Speaker 1: ship gets sent back. Oh wait, I'm skipping apart. I
Speaker 1: forgot this. This actually parts even more crazy. When the
Speaker 1: second shipment comes to Iran. When it gets there, it's
Speaker 1: got is rarely tags on it. It's stand through the
Speaker 1: Star of David. Because remember how the lick was supposed
Speaker 1: to work. The stuff was supposed to actually be American missiles.
Speaker 1: You're supposed to go into there, and then we were
Speaker 1: pretending like we were selling Israeli missiles to them, but
Speaker 1: they were really American missiles because that's what it Ran
Speaker 1: asked for. It Ran asked for American missiles. But if
Speaker 1: they come in there and they got to start David
Speaker 1: on it, Iran like, are you working with us? I
Speaker 1: didn't ask for y'all's missiles. We asked for American missiles.
Speaker 1: This ship don't look right, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I don't understand what's going on, but we're not giving
Speaker 1: y'all nobody till we figured this ship out. Right in
Speaker 1: America is still like, oh my god, we're still We're still.
Speaker 1: Somebody's gonna find out what the funk we're doing. We
Speaker 1: have to get this thing working right. We've given them
Speaker 1: so many missiles. If we don't get anybody at all,
Speaker 1: it's worse than if we just give them more missiles
Speaker 1: until we get people. Yes, exactly, so they and it's
Speaker 1: like you just still paint it beautiful. Sunk costs follas
Speaker 1: like FAM. You're like if like any friend would tell you,
Speaker 1: my g you're getting extorted. You understand I'm saying, like
Speaker 1: you're getting you're getting sucked out this mug by everybody.
Speaker 1: You understand what I'm saying. Like if I was you,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't even try to figure out who's at fault.
Speaker 1: It's just it's time to pull out FAM. Right, So
Speaker 1: the one shipment gets sent back to Israel like it
Speaker 1: doesn't clear customs. And remember, Israel ain't supposed to have
Speaker 1: these weapons. This weapons that are on this freight train
Speaker 1: ain't supposed to exist. But now Oliver North need help
Speaker 1: because we gotta get these weapons out of customs without
Speaker 1: nobody knowing, right. So who does he call? This food
Speaker 1: calls the c I A, yeah, there you go. I mean, like,
Speaker 1: what am I supposed to do? Right? So Bill Casey,
Speaker 1: who running the CIA, knew the whole time, this dude
Speaker 1: with shady right new the whole time you were supposed
Speaker 1: to get clearance, right new, the whole time that none
Speaker 1: of this it was supposed to happen. The CIA wasn't
Speaker 1: even supposed to be involved in none of this stuff
Speaker 1: because you ain't setting no papers in. But now I
Speaker 1: gotta come say, he like, why you bring y'all messy?
Speaker 1: Why you bring me into this? Right? But he's got
Speaker 1: to do it. So he's got to pretend like, uh,
Speaker 1: Reagan signed something maybe, and then he goes to get
Speaker 1: Then he goes to to Reagan and he tries to
Speaker 1: get a retroactive finding so like on some post data
Speaker 1: checks type ship, like just just backdate this thing, right,
Speaker 1: turn it in, but just back dated, so everything will
Speaker 1: be cool. He gets him to do it right, But
Speaker 1: this whole time, I ran got the tenters up. I ran, like,
Speaker 1: this is something y'all trying to We think Israel trying
Speaker 1: to play us. Right now, if you America and you're
Speaker 1: dealing with people this volatile, you kind of want them
Speaker 1: to think that it's not you. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Like it works better in your favor for for Iran
Speaker 1: to think Israel to shady ones. Yeah what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: because because if not, they're gonna shoot up our people. Well,
Speaker 1: and it looks better for everybody if it's if it's
Speaker 1: going through the Israelis, it looks better for everybody. We
Speaker 1: can always blame them. Uh, Everything's like the Israelis want
Speaker 1: to be in this because they have a vested interest
Speaker 1: in Iran getting better weapons. Because while Iran and Israel
Speaker 1: like do all this very public fighting, Israel actually over
Speaker 1: the years has kicked around a lot of weapons because
Speaker 1: Iran is also the ancestral enemy of Iraq, and Iraq
Speaker 1: they considered for a long time to be much more
Speaker 1: of a threat to Israel. So anyway, yeah, so true.
Speaker 1: So Iran thinks Israel's playing them for us as cool.
Speaker 1: So you and I'm mad at us, You're mad at them.
Speaker 1: So the question is do you do you kill the
Speaker 1: deal like you said the sunken cost you killed a deal?
Speaker 1: Or do you keep trying to get your people back?
Speaker 1: And at this point, it's Israel that looked like they
Speaker 1: messed up, not us. However, it's probably this fool who
Speaker 1: we can't figure out, this fool Gabana farre right, who
Speaker 1: is so far he just been in the wind. He'd
Speaker 1: been casting checks and been like, well, I don't know
Speaker 1: what to say, like I've I've done what we need
Speaker 1: to do. So so so the American team, Oliver North
Speaker 1: and them run back. They tell Ronnie like, okay, look,
Speaker 1: here's here's the situation. What do you want to do. Ronnie,
Speaker 1: being as smooth as he is, remember he's not smarty smooth,
Speaker 1: Ronnie is like, okay, listen, I could probably explain away
Speaker 1: the legalities of us doing this if we get caught,
Speaker 1: I could probably finesse this right. But what I probably
Speaker 1: can't finesse is letting six or seven hostages die in
Speaker 1: the hands of Iran because I couldn't get them out. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but He's like, okay, um, but you're right, dog, like
Speaker 1: this ship and working. Let's go go tell Gavanafar it's
Speaker 1: off right. So Bud McFarlane and Oliver North they fly
Speaker 1: to the UK to meet with Kabana farre Um and
Speaker 1: they like, look, dog, she ain't working. I don't know
Speaker 1: what you're doing. They're not getting their weapons. The numbers
Speaker 1: is getting messed up. Now. Lis been asking questions like
Speaker 1: we're we just need to end this ship, right, Gabonafarre like, um, okay, listen, fam,
Speaker 1: I don't think you know who you're dealing with. Like
Speaker 1: you can't just end to deal with these people. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like this just you You didn't. You didn't, you didn't
Speaker 1: tangled with the wrong folk. And besides, we're good. I
Speaker 1: got this because you gotta remember how Bonafar un. You're like, look, man, listen, y'all.
Speaker 1: Just just chill, man, just chill. You're acting all froggy man,
Speaker 1: you're acting all jumpy man. Act like you're like, act
Speaker 1: like you belong somewhere. Will be all right, homie. You
Speaker 1: can't just back out with these people. Their killers And
Speaker 1: I've been dealing with killers for a while, so we
Speaker 1: all right. So Oliver North is like, look, man, he
Speaker 1: probably right we did. There's no Uh, I don't know
Speaker 1: what else we could do. Homie like, I don't know
Speaker 1: how we could do this. Um, and if Reagan is
Speaker 1: still down, I think we should do this. But Reagan
Speaker 1: ain't ain't ain't reveal his card yet, right, So there's
Speaker 1: there's some other cards going on, and Bud it's like, look, man,
Speaker 1: I can't. I can't work like this. I'm about to
Speaker 1: roll out. But but Oliver North has an idea, you know,
Speaker 1: two two purple heart Vietnam head ass has an idea, right,
Speaker 1: But we'll get to that idea later. But now we're
Speaker 1: gonna have to start the other thread. But before we
Speaker 1: do that, let's uh do what do you guys? What
Speaker 1: do you call these plug doubles? That's what you call them? Yeah? Um,
Speaker 1: oh gosh, Well let me tell you about where I
Speaker 1: can be plugged. Um. I wrote a book called After
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Speaker 1: or whatever. You can find it on Amazon dot com.
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Speaker 1: at just googling a K Press After the Revolution. Uh,
Speaker 1: please buy it and read it. Uh. Many people have
Speaker 1: and they seem to enjoy it. That's it. That's the
Speaker 1: only thing I've ever done that in award winning pods,
Speaker 1: I've never I have not won an award. No, nobody,
Speaker 1: nobody's given me an award. I mean either, Um, you
Speaker 1: deserve an award. I'll give you an award. Yeah, I'll
Speaker 1: give you. I mean I've won an award. Yes, you
Speaker 1: have whatever. Yeah, Sophie has won an award. Prop and I,
Speaker 1: You and I are going to have to do some
Speaker 1: asymmetric warfare. Now get that fucking trophy, you and Loft.
Speaker 1: It's a running away with it. Man. It's definitely changed us.
Speaker 1: We're definitely people with you and they one. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, I have I'm gonna be honest with you.
Speaker 1: Never been this angry um, not so high and above us.
Speaker 1: That's your new name now, Jamie, You and you and
Speaker 1: me proper. We gotta do some some Bill Casey, some McFarland,
Speaker 1: some fucking Ali North Ship. We gotta roll on this. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: get those goddamn trophies anyway. She all right, all right,
Speaker 1: I don't know which, I don't know which. The music
Speaker 1: is rolling in right now, but that's don't the Batman.
Speaker 1: Let's do the Batman theme music. Okay, leader, all right,
Speaker 1: all right, that's part one by