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Speaker 1: a weird voice to hear, right, you know, saying I

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Speaker 1: gotta come up with some sort of what do we?

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Speaker 1: What do we? What do we? What do we? Here goes?

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Speaker 1: You know, perfect me. I didn't perfect you. What do we?

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Speaker 1: What do we? What do you? What do you say?

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Speaker 1: I would do a prop intro, but nobody, nobody needs

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Speaker 1: to hear me. Try to sing. Uh. This is a

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Speaker 1: hood politics behind the Bastards crossover, behind the hood politics

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Speaker 1: behind us. It's like it's like like when they do

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Speaker 1: Gray's Anatomy and Station nineteen on on TV, but better. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: they used to do this in the nineties, like sitcom

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Speaker 1: eras all the time episode. Yeah, that's how technically the

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Speaker 1: X Files and The Wire are in the same universe

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Speaker 1: right there. Scully came through. Scully came through to get

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Speaker 1: a get a get a nice, nice little bump of cracked.

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Speaker 1: Speaking of crack. Yeah, that is a good introduction, and

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Speaker 1: we'll get me off talking about what a fun crossover

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Speaker 1: Holder and McNulty would have been. Um uh, yeah, we

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Speaker 1: we're talking about the crack epidemic and the Central Intelligence Agency.

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Speaker 1: It's like the perfect It's also a perfect crossover. A

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Speaker 1: perfect crossover, would think you'd need. I mean it is.

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Speaker 1: I will say I get a little frustrated, as we'll

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Speaker 1: be getting into in in my episodes whenever people are

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Speaker 1: like the C I a brock crack to the inner

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Speaker 1: City because guys, the NSC was a big part of

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Speaker 1: it too. Very you know, Ali North was not slacking

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Speaker 1: on this. Let's not give the CIA all the credit.

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Speaker 1: This is what you will learn. You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: You need to give people put some respect on their name.

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Speaker 1: The NSC needs respect. Respect right now, that's branding right there.

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Speaker 1: Reverse You ready for this reverse Bastard? Ya say? I

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Speaker 1: am ready. Let's do it? Brow Okay, Sophie. How you feel?

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Speaker 1: I feel like I don't have a script, which means

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Speaker 1: it's like a normal Bastards episode, because Robert doesn't send

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Speaker 1: me the script when I asked him to send it

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Speaker 1: to me either. Listen, here's the thing. Uh, it's important.

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Speaker 1: I don't know when this is coming out, but I

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Speaker 1: think it's important to acknowledge that. Uh, this is the

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Speaker 1: day after Queen Elizabeth passed and probably doubling as one

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Speaker 1: of the greatest days on Black Twitter ever. Oh my god,

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Speaker 1: black Twitter in Irish Twitter. We're both just listen a cylinders.

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Speaker 1: It was just voltron of melanated people like people that

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Speaker 1: seasonate food, just all got together, had a barbecue and

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Speaker 1: was roast in the hell. And it's almost like y'all

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Speaker 1: her the symbolic figurehead of all that is the British empire?

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Speaker 1: Y'all made her debt. Yeah, people, people are doing this

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Speaker 1: whole thing where they're like, well, but she didn't really

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Speaker 1: do you know? She she she's not the one who

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Speaker 1: did all of the colonialism. Was like number one, she

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Speaker 1: gonna be snorting off of someone's. Sure that's an experience, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you ask, it's an honest truth. I don't know who

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Speaker 1: that is. I never met that man. Yes, so who

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Speaker 1: Actually another a little tidbit about Bud McFarland actually took

421
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Speaker 1: his own life later on. Good for him. I mean,

422
00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:32,040
Speaker 1: I don't know how is he was gonna get out

423
00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:35,760
Speaker 1: of it it is critical support. Yeah. So but let's back

424
00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:38,720
Speaker 1: up even from this point. So we got Robert McFarland

425
00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:42,640
Speaker 1: or Bud McFarland as he's called. Uh. And you got

426
00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:45,000
Speaker 1: Ronald Reagan, you Oliver North, you got George was Senior.

427
00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:51,600
Speaker 1: But let's go back to October three in Beyrout, Okay.

428
00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:56,600
Speaker 1: And on this day, there's this marine barrack that's in

429
00:24:56,640 --> 00:25:00,600
Speaker 1: the middle of Lebanon right in bay that's just kind

430
00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:02,840
Speaker 1: of posted up to air quotes keep the Peace during

431
00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:05,480
Speaker 1: the Lebanese series Civil War. And it does a great

432
00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:08,680
Speaker 1: job of that. It does a great job. Yeah, yeah,

433
00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:11,240
Speaker 1: because by Routes, you know, since we got there, never

434
00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:15,160
Speaker 1: had any problems. You know, it was fine, right, doing great.

435
00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:17,320
Speaker 1: Today it's doing great, you know. And as a side

436
00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:20,080
Speaker 1: note with this story, I uh, man, I'm so off

437
00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:21,439
Speaker 1: the rails, but I think this is what I love

438
00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:24,560
Speaker 1: about this show. So it's speaking of how well they've

439
00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:26,639
Speaker 1: done it keeping peace in Beyroute. I remember I was

440
00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:29,440
Speaker 1: at this event up in the Colorado Mountains like this,

441
00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:32,840
Speaker 1: Like I was performing for these freakishly wealthy people. It

442
00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:35,840
Speaker 1: was a dope thing. It was like entrepreneurship for good like,

443
00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:39,520
Speaker 1: so these people are not like annoying wealthy, they're just

444
00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:42,480
Speaker 1: like wealthy wealthy, you know what I'm saying, like kind

445
00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:44,240
Speaker 1: of like the like oh you still work for money

446
00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:47,000
Speaker 1: kind of wealthy like that, that type of wealthy. Right.

447
00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:49,120
Speaker 1: So we were talking about I think it was like

448
00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:52,119
Speaker 1: either right before the pandemic, so it was like early

449
00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:56,520
Speaker 1: um and we were talking about what was happening on

450
00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:59,399
Speaker 1: the Syrian Iraq border with the Kurds and you know,

451
00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:01,200
Speaker 1: and just like some stuff was going on and I

452
00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:02,959
Speaker 1: was like, dang, that's crazy. And then it was this

453
00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:04,760
Speaker 1: one lady was like, wait, what are you talking about?

454
00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:07,000
Speaker 1: And she was clearly Arab. She's like, what are you

455
00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:09,760
Speaker 1: talking about? And I was like, well, dang, like you know,

456
00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:12,720
Speaker 1: what's what's happening in Syrian around border? And she was

457
00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:15,359
Speaker 1: like what, I haven't heard of that? And I was

458
00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:17,520
Speaker 1: like in my head, I completely judged her. And I

459
00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:20,280
Speaker 1: was like, see, you know what wealth, when you just

460
00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:22,720
Speaker 1: get rich man, you just like you just you just

461
00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:24,720
Speaker 1: don't never know what else is going on. And she

462
00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:28,120
Speaker 1: was like, oh no, I don't think you understand. I'm

463
00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:34,880
Speaker 1: from bay Rout. She was like there's always this. We've

464
00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:37,360
Speaker 1: we've been in Civil War my whole and it's always

465
00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:39,840
Speaker 1: like this. So I thought this was something that just

466
00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:43,720
Speaker 1: wasn't what it always was. And I definitely got corrected

467
00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:45,959
Speaker 1: because I was like, man, I judged this lady. She

468
00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:48,920
Speaker 1: didn't live through some of the worst, the worst. It's

469
00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:51,080
Speaker 1: another fucking fight on the block for her, And like

470
00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:54,199
Speaker 1: the knacks are different, It's another fight on the goddamn block. Right,

471
00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:58,280
Speaker 1: it's East el A shooting out, shooting out, fireworks. It's like,

472
00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:01,040
Speaker 1: that's just I don't even noticed anymore. So but during

473
00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:06,119
Speaker 1: this time, uh, one day, early in the morning, truck

474
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:10,080
Speaker 1: comes barreling through their gates, boom, crashes into their barrack,

475
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:13,719
Speaker 1: pounds of T n T blows the whole ship up,

476
00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:19,399
Speaker 1: at least two people dead. Right, total asymmetrical warfare, something

477
00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:23,960
Speaker 1: that like America hadn't seen before uh at the time, right,

478
00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:26,720
Speaker 1: And it was clearly obvious who did it. It was

479
00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:30,919
Speaker 1: like the most the worst kept secret in the world.

480
00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:34,200
Speaker 1: Hes blood, they hiding right there in that valley data

481
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:37,800
Speaker 1: ones who did this, right and asymmetrical warfare For everybody

482
00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:40,600
Speaker 1: who doesn't understand it's it's it's a very simple situation

483
00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:43,120
Speaker 1: that like all of us in our lives have had

484
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:45,959
Speaker 1: to do this at some point where you have somebody

485
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:50,040
Speaker 1: that's just towering bigger than you, it's ridiculous to try

486
00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:52,080
Speaker 1: to square up with them. Yeah, you're not gonna You're

487
00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:54,760
Speaker 1: not Hesbah is not gonna like take on a couple

488
00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:58,200
Speaker 1: of hundred marines fully suited up with air support. But

489
00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:00,440
Speaker 1: if you m a fucking bomb under the erics, you

490
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:03,639
Speaker 1: can achieve the same ends. If you works pretty well,

491
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:05,840
Speaker 1: it works pretty well. Listen, if you were to mouth

492
00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:08,000
Speaker 1: off so bad and it would never happen. But if

493
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:09,800
Speaker 1: you were a mouth off so bad to Sophie, and

494
00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:11,840
Speaker 1: Sophie decided, Okay, you know what, I'm gonna have to

495
00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:15,920
Speaker 1: fund this dude up right, which would never happen. But Sophie,

496
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:18,840
Speaker 1: I would not tell I would. My suggestion to you

497
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:21,280
Speaker 1: would be, you need to bite, you need to kick,

498
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:24,239
Speaker 1: you need to grab bats. There is no such thing

499
00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:27,680
Speaker 1: as playing fair. He is twice show size. This is asymmetrical.

500
00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:29,200
Speaker 1: You do what you gotta do. You know what I'm

501
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:31,920
Speaker 1: saying again, this would never happen. This is why Sophie

502
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:34,680
Speaker 1: keeps that ryder truck packed full of explosives outside of

503
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:38,560
Speaker 1: my house just in case, Just in case, that's right. Yeah,

504
00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:41,120
Speaker 1: so I also do have a lot of United States

505
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:43,800
Speaker 1: Marines quartered in my home right on the other side

506
00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:49,160
Speaker 1: of that screen, one of them just like bro uh

507
00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:54,160
Speaker 1: so so yeah, so blew it up, did this and

508
00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:58,280
Speaker 1: like we said, Bud McFarland, former Marine super Cold Warrior,

509
00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:02,320
Speaker 1: is like, uh, we can't let this ride. Well and

510
00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:06,280
Speaker 1: fucking Reagan. So Reagan has just come to office after

511
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:09,600
Speaker 1: pushing Carter out, and the thing he runs on is

512
00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:12,680
Speaker 1: all of these guys got captured in Iran and Carter

513
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:16,160
Speaker 1: couldn't get him out, right, they had you attempt. He's weak.

514
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:18,800
Speaker 1: He's made America Week on the national stage, and I'm

515
00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:22,320
Speaker 1: gonna I'm gonna make sure that Americans are protected overseas. Right,

516
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:25,120
Speaker 1: this is a huge deal. And this is not the

517
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:27,960
Speaker 1: only thing that Reagan's dealing with. There's like an unprecedented

518
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:30,760
Speaker 1: surgeon attacks on US embassies when Reagan is in office,

519
00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:33,560
Speaker 1: I think more than under any other president. Like it's

520
00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:35,720
Speaker 1: going like this is a real problem for him because

521
00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:39,280
Speaker 1: he's he's staring at re election and this is like

522
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:42,560
Speaker 1: fucking It's not a nine eleven level thing, but for

523
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:44,960
Speaker 1: people of that era, it was like pretty close. This

524
00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:48,479
Speaker 1: is like a huge fucking deal. This was absurd. Yeah,

525
00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:51,160
Speaker 1: like that because because it was so, it was more

526
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:54,680
Speaker 1: like the disrespect, like this is the audacity dog like

527
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:58,360
Speaker 1: y'all don't no one respects your gangster no more. Right, So,

528
00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:01,480
Speaker 1: like you said, Bug mcfar in, George Schultz, we talked

529
00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:03,280
Speaker 1: about before. They all agree, They're like, man, we can't

530
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:06,480
Speaker 1: let this, we can't let this ride. But there was

531
00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:12,920
Speaker 1: some dissenting voices. Defense Secretary Casper Weinberger, Right, he was like, listen,

532
00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:16,240
Speaker 1: y'all got a reasonable man in the administer the most reason.

533
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:19,640
Speaker 1: He was like, listen, y'all gotta chi do y'all remember Vietnam?

534
00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:22,320
Speaker 1: Like do you like, do you really think America is

535
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:25,440
Speaker 1: gonna let us go fight somebody else's war again? Like

536
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:29,480
Speaker 1: I don't remember this ship went Vietnam, which has been

537
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:33,080
Speaker 1: over for like ten years at this point. Yeah, like

538
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:36,240
Speaker 1: it's very recent. You'll remember these boys. They was like

539
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:39,840
Speaker 1: burning there was burning a draft cards like it was

540
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:43,320
Speaker 1: a thing. Like, honestly, it's about as far it's about

541
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:46,080
Speaker 1: for them. It's about the end of Vietnam is about

542
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:48,880
Speaker 1: as far as the end of Like um, the US

543
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:52,360
Speaker 1: occupation of Iraq on a big scalect isn't there, Just

544
00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:57,440
Speaker 1: like it's really really recent for them. Yeah. So they're

545
00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:00,240
Speaker 1: like listen, Dog, like, you can't just we just can't

546
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:04,080
Speaker 1: do this without the public support. Right. So oh, Ronnie

547
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:06,840
Speaker 1: is like, all right, I feel you. Uh, maybe we

548
00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:10,080
Speaker 1: should just bounce in. But Bud is like, listen, if

549
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:14,680
Speaker 1: we bitch out, it's gonna happen again. Right, we cannot

550
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:18,600
Speaker 1: bitch out like this. Uh. And so Bud continues to

551
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:22,040
Speaker 1: stay in Reagan's ear and he's like, listen, I'm trying

552
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:24,520
Speaker 1: to tell you we can't we we can't do this.

553
00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:28,080
Speaker 1: But Ronnie's like, nah, they right, I'm up for reelection,

554
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:30,600
Speaker 1: like you said, like, let's go ahead and fall back, right,

555
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:33,880
Speaker 1: So why they So they fall back, right, but when

556
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:36,280
Speaker 1: America falls back, we don't really fall back, you know

557
00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:39,360
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Like, so we may have removed the Marines,

558
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:42,320
Speaker 1: but the c I a state because remember we still

559
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:45,400
Speaker 1: had hostages out there, right, we still had hostages in

560
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:49,840
Speaker 1: Iran and that were held by hesblah and hesblah. Again.

561
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:53,720
Speaker 1: Worst kept secret is totally supported by the Irani government.

562
00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:57,520
Speaker 1: I had totally holmany right, Like it's just like it's

563
00:31:57,560 --> 00:32:00,239
Speaker 1: not a secret it's out in the open secret ye

564
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:04,280
Speaker 1: like to day, like heah is is armed to a

565
00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:07,720
Speaker 1: significant extent and often functions is like an extension of

566
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:10,200
Speaker 1: the Iranian military. It's a whole it's a whole thing, right,

567
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:13,640
Speaker 1: it's a whole them are we all got our proxies um,

568
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:16,560
Speaker 1: which doesn't mean that they're also like that there aren't

569
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:20,840
Speaker 1: conflicts between like hesblah and the Iranian government because like

570
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:23,000
Speaker 1: none of these are. The fact that someone's a proxy

571
00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:24,960
Speaker 1: doesn't mean that like they don't have their own ship

572
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:31,760
Speaker 1: that they're doing the world is the world anyway? Whatever? Yeah,

573
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:33,200
Speaker 1: they still and it's all it's worth note. One of

574
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:36,760
Speaker 1: the fun things. There's a really wonderful book called Landslide

575
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:41,000
Speaker 1: by my probably favorite journalist who writes books, Jane Mayer,

576
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:44,240
Speaker 1: about the Reagan administration in this period, and one of

577
00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:46,280
Speaker 1: the things she'll point out is that, like, especially once

578
00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:50,040
Speaker 1: you hit like three four five, Reagan is starting to

579
00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:52,960
Speaker 1: have the early effects of Alzheimer's. And he's also just

580
00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:55,600
Speaker 1: because of his he's kind of his personality. He's kind

581
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:59,960
Speaker 1: of this like amiable like man and not a very

582
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:02,640
Speaker 1: intellectual guy. And so one of the things he's known

583
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:05,840
Speaker 1: for by the people that he brings into his white house.

584
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:07,719
Speaker 1: Is that like the most important thing is to kind

585
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:10,200
Speaker 1: of be the last guy talking to him, because often

586
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:13,640
Speaker 1: do so. There are conflicts between McFarlane and Weinberger and

587
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:17,080
Speaker 1: Schultz where they're all like just like primarily the thing

588
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:19,240
Speaker 1: they're doing is like scheming to get the most time

589
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:21,840
Speaker 1: in their schedules sitting and having like five minute meetings

590
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:23,880
Speaker 1: with Ronnie because the more of those you can pack in,

591
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:26,240
Speaker 1: the better you can do of like getting it into

592
00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:28,400
Speaker 1: his little brain whatever it is you want him to do.

593
00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:31,440
Speaker 1: Like McFarland's calling him on the phone when he's not

594
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:33,800
Speaker 1: supposed to be calling him on the phone. It's very funny, dude,

595
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:35,600
Speaker 1: It's so funny. I got some of those stories in

596
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:39,400
Speaker 1: my script here. We're just they they're doing exactly that, Like, uh,

597
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:40,520
Speaker 1: do you talk to me? You know I'm about to

598
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:42,040
Speaker 1: talk to right now, you know, because you know I'm

599
00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:44,080
Speaker 1: gonna'm gonna get it. I'm gonna get in there. Yeah yeah, yeah, no,

600
00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:45,880
Speaker 1: I'll send a note right now. Yeah. It's because you

601
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:47,920
Speaker 1: want to be the last dude to give him the idea.

602
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:50,400
Speaker 1: So yeah, so they're like, yo, if we bitch up,

603
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:52,000
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, it's just like the shut

604
00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:53,520
Speaker 1: the funk up, you ain't gonna do ship. Like if

605
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:55,560
Speaker 1: we don't do ship, they don't do it again. Right,

606
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:58,840
Speaker 1: And five months later they absolutely did it again. So

607
00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:03,440
Speaker 1: in March of eighty four, there was a marine named

608
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:08,720
Speaker 1: William Casey and was a Casey. Yeah, you know, William Buckley.

609
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:13,719
Speaker 1: My fault. Sorry, Casey is the the he's the head

610
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:17,239
Speaker 1: of CIA, William Buckley. So, William, but there's a lot

611
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:19,399
Speaker 1: of these fucking guys, a lot of dudes. It's hard

612
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:22,000
Speaker 1: to keep them together. But yeah, So William Buckley was

613
00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:25,239
Speaker 1: one of the CIA agents that stayed back after Air

614
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:28,280
Speaker 1: Quotes America left and it was his job to work

615
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:34,319
Speaker 1: with the special the Special Forces of Israel to try

616
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:38,600
Speaker 1: to go get our hostages from Hesbllah out of Iran. Right,

617
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:41,480
Speaker 1: So that was his role, right, and then one day, right,

618
00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:44,360
Speaker 1: And it's the specifics of this is what makes it

619
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:47,640
Speaker 1: so beautiful. Everybody knows, or everybody should know. Like, if

620
00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:49,600
Speaker 1: you a spot, you probably shouldn't drive your own car

621
00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:52,719
Speaker 1: to work, you know what I'm saying, You should probably like,

622
00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:55,160
Speaker 1: you know, spend the block a couple of times, like

623
00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:57,959
Speaker 1: figure out other ways to go. You know what I'm saying,

624
00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:03,080
Speaker 1: you know, need to notice is a fucking bike. Yes, yes,

625
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:05,680
Speaker 1: you should know that the streets is watching. You should

626
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:09,920
Speaker 1: just know right well, the streets was watching this fool train.

627
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:13,000
Speaker 1: You know. Everybody has off days, messed around and on

628
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:16,040
Speaker 1: his way to work. The day that they was gonna

629
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:18,839
Speaker 1: go run, they sting operation to get their folks out

630
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:23,239
Speaker 1: that day. He gets captured. Rights, but it captures that

631
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:26,799
Speaker 1: fool that day. Put the homie on camera, sends it

632
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:28,880
Speaker 1: now to William Casey, the head of c i A,

633
00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:32,680
Speaker 1: and he like, what now, homie, what y'all gonna do? Right?

634
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:34,960
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, y'all need to y'all need

635
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:38,440
Speaker 1: to go head on home, you know. And the CIA

636
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:42,200
Speaker 1: sees it, sends it to Old Ronnie and Bud McFarland is,

637
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 1: like I told Joe, asked, this is what was gonna happen, right,

638
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:48,239
Speaker 1: We need to figure out what the funk to do,

639
00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:52,800
Speaker 1: you know, and they have this idea. Bud McFarland actually

640
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:56,640
Speaker 1: has the idea. Bud goes, Okay, listen, there's nowhere in

641
00:35:56,680 --> 00:36:03,360
Speaker 1: the world. Everybody in Iran fuck with the Ayatollah and

642
00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:07,160
Speaker 1: there's no way they have to have enemies out there, right,

643
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:10,280
Speaker 1: So if that's the case, what if we just tap

644
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:13,960
Speaker 1: in with those people? Right? And while no one can

645
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:18,239
Speaker 1: agree on what to do, a year past, six more

646
00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:21,960
Speaker 1: people get kidnapped, right while they trying to figure out

647
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:24,839
Speaker 1: what the hell to do? Mad people are getting kidnapped. Right,

648
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:27,960
Speaker 1: No one can figure out what to do. So so

649
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:30,480
Speaker 1: they're like, Okay, well we gotta we gotta figure out something. Right,

650
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:33,760
Speaker 1: Maybe there's somebody out there, like they said, that doesn't

651
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:36,360
Speaker 1: really mess with them, right, So this food but in

652
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:41,920
Speaker 1: July gets a call from one of his homies, one

653
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:44,720
Speaker 1: of his homies that that is like tapped in in Israel.

654
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:48,000
Speaker 1: This guy named who is probably my favorite character in

655
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:54,040
Speaker 1: this story, good Boni far right, my favorite character. He

656
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:57,160
Speaker 1: is such a beautiful con man and he has the

657
00:36:57,280 --> 00:37:00,879
Speaker 1: United Yeah, I'm so excited for this. Yes, oh so yeah,

658
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:03,000
Speaker 1: so good Bota fart of me is like did you

659
00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:05,520
Speaker 1: see that did y'all see that Denzel Washington movie where

660
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:08,040
Speaker 1: he was a pilot and he was always an alcoholic

661
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:14,200
Speaker 1: and connected John Goodman, John Goodman so good in that movie. Yes,

662
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:17,600
Speaker 1: the movie itself kind of but Midman as as a

663
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:21,560
Speaker 1: drug dealer, Oh my gosh right or take so take

664
00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:26,359
Speaker 1: that image and and compare it and connected to the

665
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:29,920
Speaker 1: image of Adam Sandler in that Jeweler movie where you're

666
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:35,240
Speaker 1: just like just jumpy and like just like always got

667
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:40,399
Speaker 1: us to grows weirdo. Yeah. Yeah, but somehow, obviously it's

668
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:42,080
Speaker 1: been able to deliver you know what I'm saying, by

669
00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:44,360
Speaker 1: the skin of his teeth. Again, that's a call you

670
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:47,120
Speaker 1: don't want to make unless you actually have to make it. Right.

671
00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:51,920
Speaker 1: So he was like, Yo, I heard about your situation.

672
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 1: I gotta connect from some people out there in Iran

673
00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:57,799
Speaker 1: that don't really mess with Hornanian them. So I kind

674
00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:01,440
Speaker 1: of feel like there's a way we could get your hostages.

675
00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:05,279
Speaker 1: I found them that said, Yo, we we mess with y'all.

676
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:07,120
Speaker 1: We're gonna get you all hostages, but we're gonna need

677
00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:12,200
Speaker 1: something in return. Yeah, and Robert wants tell them what

678
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:16,440
Speaker 1: they need in return. Well, you know, so they're around

679
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:18,759
Speaker 1: is fighting. There's this whole war with the Rock and

680
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:21,920
Speaker 1: it's not going great. Um, it's it's not going It's

681
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:25,600
Speaker 1: actually the most similar war to the Irana Rock Wars

682
00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:29,760
Speaker 1: probably what's going on in Ukraine right now. Um and Iran.

683
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:32,200
Speaker 1: You know, they get invaded, and they're on their back

684
00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:34,280
Speaker 1: foot for a while, but they start pushing the Iraqis

685
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:36,759
Speaker 1: back with these human wave attacks and so then there's

686
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:39,640
Speaker 1: this reverse in the war. But they can't really break

687
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:41,919
Speaker 1: all the way through the Iraqi lines because Iraq has

688
00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:45,799
Speaker 1: pretty competent tank battalions and so they need. What they're

689
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:48,440
Speaker 1: gonna need is fucking anti tank missiles. They're gonna need

690
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:52,760
Speaker 1: these like new fucking badass anti tank and anti aircraft missiles,

691
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:56,240
Speaker 1: these things called hawks um that can knock Iraqi bombers

692
00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:58,680
Speaker 1: out of this guy. Because Iraq is bombing Tehran on

693
00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:02,279
Speaker 1: a daily basis during the US right right now, we

694
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:04,560
Speaker 1: need fucking and when we talk about like missiles, that's

695
00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:06,319
Speaker 1: the missiles they mean, it's the stuff that we're sending

696
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:09,200
Speaker 1: Ukraine right now, right it's man portable anti armor and

697
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:13,279
Speaker 1: anti aircraft missiles. We need heaters, We need Blicky's. We

698
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:15,759
Speaker 1: need heaters you right, like, because like we got our

699
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:19,440
Speaker 1: own situation here, we had no boy scouts fam handling

700
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:22,240
Speaker 1: the heaters that like you only get from the United

701
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:28,320
Speaker 1: or the Soviet Union directly, their own versions of this stuff. Exactly,

702
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:30,640
Speaker 1: y'all got the good ship. We need the good ship. Right,

703
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:33,000
Speaker 1: so they're like, so they have so good Bonnafarre like, look,

704
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:36,560
Speaker 1: they got him, but you gotta sell them these weapons, right,

705
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:41,399
Speaker 1: And if you're paying attention, which I'm pretty sure you are,

706
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:44,520
Speaker 1: that kind of sound like we trade in West weapons

707
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:47,360
Speaker 1: for hostages. It does sound a little bit of sound

708
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:51,239
Speaker 1: like that, right, But the boy Bonafar is like, no, no, no,

709
00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 1: no no no no no no no no no no, no,

710
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:54,719
Speaker 1: no no no, that's not what y'all doing. You're not

711
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:58,480
Speaker 1: giving weapons. You're not trading weapons for hostages. Fam Listen,

712
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 1: it'll work like this, will sell them the weapons, and

713
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:04,360
Speaker 1: you just tighten us up on the back end. And

714
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:06,840
Speaker 1: not wrong with you selling us weapons. We are homies,

715
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:09,640
Speaker 1: like everybody know we sell it. Alleger gonna look the same, bro.

716
00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:12,959
Speaker 1: Listen they listen, it ain't gonna be It's no big deal.

717
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:20,759
Speaker 1: Gone chill, everybody, relax it, relax, listen, sell sell us

718
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:23,839
Speaker 1: the weapons, and that's what the paper will say. And

719
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:27,840
Speaker 1: then we listen. It runs our homies. We could do

720
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:30,200
Speaker 1: whatever we want with the weapons. You sell them. The

721
00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:34,200
Speaker 1: Alleger gonna look fine, bro, don't even trip. Nobody will know.

722
00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:42,160
Speaker 1: Everything cool, Everybody cool, everybody cool. Okay, good, right, So

723
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:46,000
Speaker 1: the idea is like it will work, like this is real.

724
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:50,200
Speaker 1: We'll get the weapons, get the missiles, get the hawk things,

725
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:52,960
Speaker 1: put the heaters in boxes. Take that cargo plane the

726
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:56,959
Speaker 1: Lisbon Portugal. Right, let let it go to Portugal. It'll

727
00:40:56,960 --> 00:41:00,640
Speaker 1: clear customs, everything's good, get stamps on it. Come out

728
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:05,120
Speaker 1: of Lisbon, fly into Tehran where Gabonafar will be there

729
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:08,719
Speaker 1: and he'll slang the weapons to the Rani, to the

730
00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:11,960
Speaker 1: Irani people. It'll look it'll be super perfect. They're gonna

731
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:14,080
Speaker 1: get their weapons. They'll go in and they'll give your

732
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:18,080
Speaker 1: hostages and send them hostages home. Um, which is of course,

733
00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:23,560
Speaker 1: in fact, trading arms for hostages. That's exactly what it is.

734
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:26,760
Speaker 1: This is us negotiating with terrorists. But again, go Bonafar

735
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:29,960
Speaker 1: is like, what do you mean You're not negotiating with terrorists.

736
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:34,320
Speaker 1: We that's what we do with these weapons is our business.

737
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:37,920
Speaker 1: And you know again, if you say it like that

738
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:40,680
Speaker 1: and you've got somebody as smooth as good Bonafar, you

739
00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:43,160
Speaker 1: could be like, you know what, anybody you got a

740
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:44,879
Speaker 1: friend that could convince you with anything? Do you got

741
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:48,920
Speaker 1: one of them? Oh? Yeah, absolutely, I mean that's yeah,

742
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:50,799
Speaker 1: that's why I've done a lot of the cocaine. All

743
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:53,480
Speaker 1: the stuff you're talking about, right, is the friend that

744
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:55,719
Speaker 1: will convince you of anything, you know what I'm saying.

745
00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:57,720
Speaker 1: So this is the friend that will convince you of anything.

746
00:41:57,760 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 1: But you should you should know good and well after

747
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:01,920
Speaker 1: sitting in the amount of holding tanks you may have

748
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:04,479
Speaker 1: set and sat in that maybe I should stop listening

749
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:09,640
Speaker 1: to exactly nothing like the paper. Look, the paper looks fine, right,

750
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:12,240
Speaker 1: So they run back, they tell ron They tell Ronnie

751
00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:15,440
Speaker 1: Ronnie Reagan. Ronnie like, well, shit, I mean run it.

752
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:17,920
Speaker 1: I guess you know what I'm saying. Like it seemed

753
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:21,000
Speaker 1: good to me. You know what I'm saying. Are we cool? Right?

754
00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:24,560
Speaker 1: And he like, okay, So covert operation. I don't sound

755
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:26,960
Speaker 1: like at least Paperwork is concerned. It don't sound like

756
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:30,720
Speaker 1: we've done nothing wrong. But for this to work, Ronnie

757
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:33,759
Speaker 1: has to do run this thing that's called a finding, right,

758
00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:36,480
Speaker 1: which is a document, a confidential document. It is a

759
00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:40,319
Speaker 1: directive that says the President finds that this operation is

760
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:42,920
Speaker 1: in the best interests of natural security. It's just a

761
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:45,440
Speaker 1: stupid piece of paper. You gotta run it to Congress

762
00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:48,960
Speaker 1: so that nobody is not in the know, because the

763
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:52,520
Speaker 1: last thing the government, like especially elected officials, they never

764
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:54,960
Speaker 1: want to seem like they caught off guard that they

765
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:57,440
Speaker 1: do a lot of this, like the fact that they

766
00:42:57,480 --> 00:42:59,480
Speaker 1: have to do all this in order to like legally

767
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:01,719
Speaker 1: do something like this is because of the ship the

768
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:04,759
Speaker 1: CIA got up to in the fifties and sixties and

769
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:07,880
Speaker 1: seventies that like we talk about in the CIA episodes

770
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:10,200
Speaker 1: where all of that those governments they overthrew the ship

771
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:14,400
Speaker 1: that goes on in Argentina and guatemal Like that's results

772
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:17,080
Speaker 1: in a bunch of committees because people find out about

773
00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:19,640
Speaker 1: it and they're like, are you guys just like destroying

774
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:24,360
Speaker 1: countries without waking anyone? Wait? We did? What what you know?

775
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:27,800
Speaker 1: Oh man? How many dogs? Just think about your parents

776
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:31,680
Speaker 1: opening a door, which and you and a cop are

777
00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:34,200
Speaker 1: standing on your ports and they like, what dides little

778
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:36,479
Speaker 1: food do get in the house? You know what I'm saying. Yeah,

779
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:38,880
Speaker 1: that's both why a lot of this starts with the

780
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:41,759
Speaker 1: NSC and not the CIA. You know, they're involved, but

781
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:44,360
Speaker 1: it's it's McFarland who's driving a lot of what happens.

782
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:47,640
Speaker 1: And it's also why there's the guy who's in charge

783
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:51,719
Speaker 1: of the CIA, Bill Casey, his whole motivation, he was

784
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:54,120
Speaker 1: like a heart. He was like a fucking boots on

785
00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:57,120
Speaker 1: the ground spook in World War two, like like doing

786
00:43:57,160 --> 00:44:02,680
Speaker 1: some like gnarly body shit. Um. And his whole motivation

787
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:05,200
Speaker 1: in life is to get back to when the CIA

788
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:07,640
Speaker 1: gets to do that kind of stuff again. Right, So,

789
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:10,839
Speaker 1: like anyway, that's imagine that being much more fun when

790
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:12,919
Speaker 1: you just didn't have to like tell anybody what you're doing,

791
00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:15,719
Speaker 1: and you could just overthrow governments and and Bill bill

792
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:18,560
Speaker 1: Casey is reading about him is fun, but in like

793
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:21,560
Speaker 1: a my like like in an L. Ron Hubbard way,

794
00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:47,040
Speaker 1: like how did he get away with all this? You did? What? Yeah?

795
00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:52,080
Speaker 1: So Schultz and why Burger are like, okay, this is

796
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:56,200
Speaker 1: a huge mistake. But you know, Bud, I Ronnie's ear.

797
00:44:56,560 --> 00:44:59,399
Speaker 1: I guess we're doing this now, answered his man named

798
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:03,799
Speaker 1: Don Rique, who's the presidential chief of staff. Right, but

799
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:05,680
Speaker 1: by the way, let's all deal with the elephant in

800
00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:10,240
Speaker 1: the room. Ronald Reagan's uh chief of staff was Donald Reagan.

801
00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:13,040
Speaker 1: That's just okay, let's let's just we just sit with

802
00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:15,880
Speaker 1: that for just a second, sit with it, alright. I

803
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:18,120
Speaker 1: can't make this ship up like this is like, yeah,

804
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:20,640
Speaker 1: it's we're in a simulation. Like that makes you feel

805
00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:23,640
Speaker 1: like we're in a simulation. You can't let that happen, Ronald.

806
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:26,359
Speaker 1: But of course, of course whatever. But I mean he's

807
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:28,920
Speaker 1: an absolute dick hole. Like, well, we'll talk about him.

808
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:34,200
Speaker 1: He's such a hole, all of these guys. Yes. Uh.

809
00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:36,719
Speaker 1: There was even a moment where this fool like tries

810
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:39,200
Speaker 1: to get but like like dragged in public while he

811
00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:41,400
Speaker 1: tells the he tells the press that this fool was

812
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:44,239
Speaker 1: cheating on his wife. He just just messy, just making

813
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:47,040
Speaker 1: up ship. So anyway, while all this ship is going

814
00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:52,560
Speaker 1: down August three, Um, Ronnie tells this fool, Okay, everybody

815
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:55,879
Speaker 1: on the ground, Okay, it's on. Let's do this thing right,

816
00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:59,000
Speaker 1: tap in with Israel. Let's tap in with the Israel

817
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:03,640
Speaker 1: at least, let's get this thing cracking right. So is like,

818
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:05,600
Speaker 1: all right, let's make it happen. Let's do what we

819
00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:08,960
Speaker 1: gotta do. Um, Let's make sure everything run. So the

820
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:11,759
Speaker 1: thing starts running and run. Then things starts running, and

821
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:15,040
Speaker 1: then they put Oliver north Is where he starts in place.

822
00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:17,560
Speaker 1: So Oliver Morth is the guy that's like, all right, hey,

823
00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:21,080
Speaker 1: can you oversee all this ship right now, everybody knows,

824
00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:25,680
Speaker 1: well not everybody knows. That's the hard part. Nobody knows

825
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:30,560
Speaker 1: except for the CIA that you can't trust gabon Afar.

826
00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:35,680
Speaker 1: Matter of fact, this nig a blacklisted like like he already,

827
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:39,759
Speaker 1: but don't tell nobody. Yeah, while the while everyone else

828
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:42,799
Speaker 1: in the intelligence apparatus is like setting up a heat,

829
00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:45,359
Speaker 1: like pinning all of their hopes and dreams on this

830
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:48,240
Speaker 1: man case. He's got like this list of times Gabona

831
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:50,000
Speaker 1: Farre has fucked us over and then he's just like

832
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:55,920
Speaker 1: not sharing what you like. The Reagan administration is if

833
00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:57,840
Speaker 1: you could just like turn your soul off for a

834
00:46:57,880 --> 00:46:59,960
Speaker 1: little while and not think about all the people who die,

835
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:04,600
Speaker 1: it's extremely funny. It's hilarious, yes, because I'm like, fam

836
00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:07,240
Speaker 1: you okay, you're seeing all this happening. You're seeing artists

837
00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:09,280
Speaker 1: and you notice fool shady and you ain't saying nothing

838
00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:12,680
Speaker 1: like you're not a friend, you're not a team player,

839
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:15,759
Speaker 1: Like how is you like like bro speak up right?

840
00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:20,359
Speaker 1: So anyway, there's this motivation people have lately to talk

841
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:22,960
Speaker 1: about how like, well, you know, the government when you

842
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:25,000
Speaker 1: get right down to it politics, all these guys it's

843
00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:27,400
Speaker 1: the same as like what gangs do. Um, they're just

844
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:30,839
Speaker 1: wearing suits. They're just gang bangers and suits. But I

845
00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:33,440
Speaker 1: might argue, if you're a gang banger, you have to

846
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:38,400
Speaker 1: be a lot smarter because these guys are sloppy as person.

847
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:41,319
Speaker 1: So fast if you were like, these guys are the

848
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:45,120
Speaker 1: messiest people. If if this situation happened on the streets

849
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:48,319
Speaker 1: and you was part of the set and you knew

850
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:51,520
Speaker 1: this full with shady, you would get you would get

851
00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:53,839
Speaker 1: what's called DP, which is disciplined. You know what I'm saying,

852
00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:57,000
Speaker 1: which means we've beena beat your ass. You know I'm saying,

853
00:47:57,040 --> 00:48:00,279
Speaker 1: because like you bust all in danger and you knew better,

854
00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:03,279
Speaker 1: Like speak up, you know what I'm saying. Like you,

855
00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:05,560
Speaker 1: like you won't get it, You're gonna get it bad.

856
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:11,200
Speaker 1: So so it starts getting cracking, right. Uh. First shipment

857
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:13,879
Speaker 1: goes in. It's kind of weird, you know, like I said,

858
00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:18,160
Speaker 1: it kind of worked, went off to Lisbon. Uh, you know,

859
00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:22,839
Speaker 1: goes off to Lisbon. Uh comes back down. They get

860
00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:25,520
Speaker 1: the thing they're so supposed to be, the plan was

861
00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:28,000
Speaker 1: supposed to be. Once you get your first shipment, you

862
00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:32,160
Speaker 1: need to send us Uh William Buckley, send our guy, right,

863
00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:35,560
Speaker 1: and this is like gnarly for because they've got pictures

864
00:48:35,560 --> 00:48:38,080
Speaker 1: of Buckley, you know, they think he's being tortured. I

865
00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:39,600
Speaker 1: think it turns out that he was just like got

866
00:48:39,640 --> 00:48:43,000
Speaker 1: sick and was not treated properly. So that's what they said.

867
00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:45,640
Speaker 1: They was like, they was like, so once the thing works,

868
00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:48,879
Speaker 1: it was like, uh okay, so we got this thing,

869
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:53,000
Speaker 1: here's the arms dealer, let's send it off. And Iran

870
00:48:53,160 --> 00:48:55,279
Speaker 1: was like once they got their shipment, Iran was like,

871
00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:59,560
Speaker 1: uh ay, he too sick to travel. We can't send him.

872
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:03,080
Speaker 1: And you wait, wait wait, wait, wait, wait wait wait

873
00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:05,560
Speaker 1: you got your weapons though, like we paid, were just

874
00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:08,600
Speaker 1: sitting you a lot of weapons. We need our dude.

875
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:11,120
Speaker 1: And they're like, oh man, sorry, fam. You send the

876
00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:13,280
Speaker 1: next one though, Send the next order and we should

877
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:19,120
Speaker 1: be cool. Right now. Anybody's antennas should come up here, right,

878
00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:24,719
Speaker 1: you understand what I'm saying. But since these fools are

879
00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:27,640
Speaker 1: bad at being gangsters, they send the next shipment. But

880
00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:30,960
Speaker 1: the next shipment goes wrong. Right, you were supposed to

881
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:38,160
Speaker 1: send five hundred uh Hawk missiles, right, there's they're supposed

882
00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:40,480
Speaker 1: to send five hundred Hawk missiles. They only got a

883
00:49:40,520 --> 00:49:44,040
Speaker 1: hunted right, and they was like, I don't understand what's

884
00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:47,560
Speaker 1: going on. Did Israel, you know, change the price like

885
00:49:47,640 --> 00:49:50,600
Speaker 1: something's not Like the ledgers aren't working. Be Remember there's

886
00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:53,239
Speaker 1: so many middlemen, it's hard to figure out what's going on.

887
00:49:53,560 --> 00:49:57,560
Speaker 1: Then then there's another ship mint right in November, and

888
00:49:58,120 --> 00:50:01,239
Speaker 1: when this ship man happens, it gets sent back. It

889
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:03,120
Speaker 1: goes So when this one's happening, it's supposed to go

890
00:50:03,160 --> 00:50:08,480
Speaker 1: to Lisbon. Lisbon doesn't clear the customs, right, so the

891
00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:10,799
Speaker 1: ship gets sent back. Oh wait, I'm skipping apart. I

892
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:13,480
Speaker 1: forgot this. This actually parts even more crazy. When the

893
00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:18,560
Speaker 1: second shipment comes to Iran. When it gets there, it's

894
00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:22,160
Speaker 1: got is rarely tags on it. It's stand through the

895
00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:27,400
Speaker 1: Star of David. Because remember how the lick was supposed

896
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:30,080
Speaker 1: to work. The stuff was supposed to actually be American missiles.

897
00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:32,839
Speaker 1: You're supposed to go into there, and then we were

898
00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:37,360
Speaker 1: pretending like we were selling Israeli missiles to them, but

899
00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:39,600
Speaker 1: they were really American missiles because that's what it Ran

900
00:50:39,719 --> 00:50:42,000
Speaker 1: asked for. It Ran asked for American missiles. But if

901
00:50:42,040 --> 00:50:43,799
Speaker 1: they come in there and they got to start David

902
00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:47,600
Speaker 1: on it, Iran like, are you working with us? I

903
00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:50,280
Speaker 1: didn't ask for y'all's missiles. We asked for American missiles.

904
00:50:51,040 --> 00:50:52,919
Speaker 1: This ship don't look right, you know what I'm saying.

905
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:54,959
Speaker 1: I don't understand what's going on, but we're not giving

906
00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:57,840
Speaker 1: y'all nobody till we figured this ship out. Right in

907
00:50:57,960 --> 00:51:01,640
Speaker 1: America is still like, oh my god, we're still We're still.

908
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:04,040
Speaker 1: Somebody's gonna find out what the funk we're doing. We

909
00:51:04,120 --> 00:51:06,839
Speaker 1: have to get this thing working right. We've given them

910
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:08,839
Speaker 1: so many missiles. If we don't get anybody at all,

911
00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:10,560
Speaker 1: it's worse than if we just give them more missiles

912
00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:13,279
Speaker 1: until we get people. Yes, exactly, so they and it's

913
00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:16,640
Speaker 1: like you just still paint it beautiful. Sunk costs follas

914
00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:21,440
Speaker 1: like FAM. You're like if like any friend would tell you,

915
00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:23,920
Speaker 1: my g you're getting extorted. You understand I'm saying, like

916
00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:26,880
Speaker 1: you're getting you're getting sucked out this mug by everybody.

917
00:51:27,080 --> 00:51:28,920
Speaker 1: You understand what I'm saying. Like if I was you,

918
00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:30,800
Speaker 1: I wouldn't even try to figure out who's at fault.

919
00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:33,520
Speaker 1: It's just it's time to pull out FAM. Right, So

920
00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:37,600
Speaker 1: the one shipment gets sent back to Israel like it

921
00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:40,239
Speaker 1: doesn't clear customs. And remember, Israel ain't supposed to have

922
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:42,879
Speaker 1: these weapons. This weapons that are on this freight train

923
00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:48,399
Speaker 1: ain't supposed to exist. But now Oliver North need help

924
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:51,680
Speaker 1: because we gotta get these weapons out of customs without

925
00:51:51,719 --> 00:51:57,640
Speaker 1: nobody knowing, right. So who does he call? This food

926
00:51:57,760 --> 00:52:01,200
Speaker 1: calls the c I A, yeah, there you go. I mean, like,

927
00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:06,440
Speaker 1: what am I supposed to do? Right? So Bill Casey,

928
00:52:06,520 --> 00:52:09,440
Speaker 1: who running the CIA, knew the whole time, this dude

929
00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:12,400
Speaker 1: with shady right new the whole time you were supposed

930
00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:15,160
Speaker 1: to get clearance, right new, the whole time that none

931
00:52:15,160 --> 00:52:17,399
Speaker 1: of this it was supposed to happen. The CIA wasn't

932
00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:19,200
Speaker 1: even supposed to be involved in none of this stuff

933
00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:21,279
Speaker 1: because you ain't setting no papers in. But now I

934
00:52:21,360 --> 00:52:24,600
Speaker 1: gotta come say, he like, why you bring y'all messy?

935
00:52:24,680 --> 00:52:26,960
Speaker 1: Why you bring me into this? Right? But he's got

936
00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:30,960
Speaker 1: to do it. So he's got to pretend like, uh,

937
00:52:31,120 --> 00:52:33,799
Speaker 1: Reagan signed something maybe, and then he goes to get

938
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:35,920
Speaker 1: Then he goes to to Reagan and he tries to

939
00:52:35,960 --> 00:52:39,680
Speaker 1: get a retroactive finding so like on some post data

940
00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:43,680
Speaker 1: checks type ship, like just just backdate this thing, right,

941
00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:45,839
Speaker 1: turn it in, but just back dated, so everything will

942
00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:49,520
Speaker 1: be cool. He gets him to do it right, But

943
00:52:49,640 --> 00:52:53,400
Speaker 1: this whole time, I ran got the tenters up. I ran, like,

944
00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:56,040
Speaker 1: this is something y'all trying to We think Israel trying

945
00:52:56,080 --> 00:52:59,480
Speaker 1: to play us. Right now, if you America and you're

946
00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:04,919
Speaker 1: dealing with people this volatile, you kind of want them

947
00:53:04,920 --> 00:53:09,719
Speaker 1: to think that it's not you. You know what I'm saying,

948
00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:12,760
Speaker 1: Like it works better in your favor for for Iran

949
00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:16,080
Speaker 1: to think Israel to shady ones. Yeah what I'm saying,

950
00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:18,839
Speaker 1: because because if not, they're gonna shoot up our people. Well,

951
00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:21,040
Speaker 1: and it looks better for everybody if it's if it's

952
00:53:21,080 --> 00:53:23,680
Speaker 1: going through the Israelis, it looks better for everybody. We

953
00:53:23,719 --> 00:53:28,680
Speaker 1: can always blame them. Uh, Everything's like the Israelis want

954
00:53:28,680 --> 00:53:30,640
Speaker 1: to be in this because they have a vested interest

955
00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:34,160
Speaker 1: in Iran getting better weapons. Because while Iran and Israel

956
00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:37,839
Speaker 1: like do all this very public fighting, Israel actually over

957
00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:39,919
Speaker 1: the years has kicked around a lot of weapons because

958
00:53:39,960 --> 00:53:43,920
Speaker 1: Iran is also the ancestral enemy of Iraq, and Iraq

959
00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:46,359
Speaker 1: they considered for a long time to be much more

960
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:50,240
Speaker 1: of a threat to Israel. So anyway, yeah, so true.

961
00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:54,440
Speaker 1: So Iran thinks Israel's playing them for us as cool.

962
00:53:54,840 --> 00:53:57,160
Speaker 1: So you and I'm mad at us, You're mad at them.

963
00:53:57,440 --> 00:53:59,759
Speaker 1: So the question is do you do you kill the

964
00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:01,839
Speaker 1: deal like you said the sunken cost you killed a deal?

965
00:54:02,640 --> 00:54:05,319
Speaker 1: Or do you keep trying to get your people back?

966
00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:08,480
Speaker 1: And at this point, it's Israel that looked like they

967
00:54:08,520 --> 00:54:12,560
Speaker 1: messed up, not us. However, it's probably this fool who

968
00:54:12,640 --> 00:54:16,000
Speaker 1: we can't figure out, this fool Gabana farre right, who

969
00:54:16,360 --> 00:54:18,439
Speaker 1: is so far he just been in the wind. He'd

970
00:54:18,440 --> 00:54:20,799
Speaker 1: been casting checks and been like, well, I don't know

971
00:54:20,840 --> 00:54:24,080
Speaker 1: what to say, like I've I've done what we need

972
00:54:24,120 --> 00:54:27,600
Speaker 1: to do. So so so the American team, Oliver North

973
00:54:27,640 --> 00:54:29,879
Speaker 1: and them run back. They tell Ronnie like, okay, look,

974
00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:32,640
Speaker 1: here's here's the situation. What do you want to do. Ronnie,

975
00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:35,440
Speaker 1: being as smooth as he is, remember he's not smarty smooth,

976
00:54:35,560 --> 00:54:38,520
Speaker 1: Ronnie is like, okay, listen, I could probably explain away

977
00:54:38,719 --> 00:54:42,040
Speaker 1: the legalities of us doing this if we get caught,

978
00:54:42,440 --> 00:54:46,080
Speaker 1: I could probably finesse this right. But what I probably

979
00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:51,120
Speaker 1: can't finesse is letting six or seven hostages die in

980
00:54:51,160 --> 00:54:54,239
Speaker 1: the hands of Iran because I couldn't get them out. Yeah,

981
00:54:54,520 --> 00:54:58,880
Speaker 1: but He's like, okay, um, but you're right, dog, like

982
00:54:59,400 --> 00:55:03,040
Speaker 1: this ship and working. Let's go go tell Gavanafar it's

983
00:55:03,120 --> 00:55:07,239
Speaker 1: off right. So Bud McFarlane and Oliver North they fly

984
00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:10,239
Speaker 1: to the UK to meet with Kabana farre Um and

985
00:55:10,280 --> 00:55:12,400
Speaker 1: they like, look, dog, she ain't working. I don't know

986
00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:14,600
Speaker 1: what you're doing. They're not getting their weapons. The numbers

987
00:55:14,719 --> 00:55:17,440
Speaker 1: is getting messed up. Now. Lis been asking questions like

988
00:55:17,560 --> 00:55:24,520
Speaker 1: we're we just need to end this ship, right, Gabonafarre like, um, okay, listen, fam,

989
00:55:24,560 --> 00:55:27,440
Speaker 1: I don't think you know who you're dealing with. Like

990
00:55:28,120 --> 00:55:31,200
Speaker 1: you can't just end to deal with these people. Yeah,

991
00:55:31,239 --> 00:55:34,399
Speaker 1: like this just you You didn't. You didn't, you didn't

992
00:55:34,440 --> 00:55:40,560
Speaker 1: tangled with the wrong folk. And besides, we're good. I

993
00:55:40,640 --> 00:55:45,160
Speaker 1: got this because you gotta remember how Bonafar un. You're like, look, man, listen, y'all.

994
00:55:45,200 --> 00:55:49,759
Speaker 1: Just just chill, man, just chill. You're acting all froggy man,

995
00:55:49,760 --> 00:55:51,719
Speaker 1: you're acting all jumpy man. Act like you're like, act

996
00:55:51,760 --> 00:55:54,799
Speaker 1: like you belong somewhere. Will be all right, homie. You

997
00:55:54,840 --> 00:55:58,360
Speaker 1: can't just back out with these people. Their killers And

998
00:55:58,360 --> 00:56:01,040
Speaker 1: I've been dealing with killers for a while, so we

999
00:56:01,160 --> 00:56:08,920
Speaker 1: all right. So Oliver North is like, look, man, he

1000
00:56:09,040 --> 00:56:14,480
Speaker 1: probably right we did. There's no Uh, I don't know

1001
00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:16,400
Speaker 1: what else we could do. Homie like, I don't know

1002
00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:22,120
Speaker 1: how we could do this. Um, and if Reagan is

1003
00:56:22,160 --> 00:56:24,560
Speaker 1: still down, I think we should do this. But Reagan

1004
00:56:24,600 --> 00:56:29,280
Speaker 1: ain't ain't ain't reveal his card yet, right, So there's

1005
00:56:29,320 --> 00:56:32,319
Speaker 1: there's some other cards going on, and Bud it's like, look, man,

1006
00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:34,320
Speaker 1: I can't. I can't work like this. I'm about to

1007
00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:40,239
Speaker 1: roll out. But but Oliver North has an idea, you know,

1008
00:56:40,520 --> 00:56:45,280
Speaker 1: two two purple heart Vietnam head ass has an idea, right,

1009
00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:49,759
Speaker 1: But we'll get to that idea later. But now we're

1010
00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:51,640
Speaker 1: gonna have to start the other thread. But before we

1011
00:56:51,719 --> 00:56:54,719
Speaker 1: do that, let's uh do what do you guys? What

1012
00:56:54,760 --> 00:57:00,000
Speaker 1: do you call these plug doubles? That's what you call them? Yeah? Um,

1013
00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:02,480
Speaker 1: oh gosh, Well let me tell you about where I

1014
00:57:02,480 --> 00:57:05,400
Speaker 1: can be plugged. Um. I wrote a book called After

1015
00:57:05,440 --> 00:57:09,440
Speaker 1: the Revolution. You can find it on bookseller dot org

1016
00:57:09,560 --> 00:57:11,520
Speaker 1: or whatever. You can find it on Amazon dot com.

1017
00:57:11,560 --> 00:57:13,440
Speaker 1: You can find it on the A K Press website

1018
00:57:13,440 --> 00:57:17,080
Speaker 1: at just googling a K Press After the Revolution. Uh,

1019
00:57:17,320 --> 00:57:20,640
Speaker 1: please buy it and read it. Uh. Many people have

1020
00:57:21,280 --> 00:57:24,040
Speaker 1: and they seem to enjoy it. That's it. That's the

1021
00:57:24,080 --> 00:57:28,800
Speaker 1: only thing I've ever done that in award winning pods,

1022
00:57:29,680 --> 00:57:33,760
Speaker 1: I've never I have not won an award. No, nobody,

1023
00:57:33,960 --> 00:57:38,480
Speaker 1: nobody's given me an award. I mean either, Um, you

1024
00:57:38,520 --> 00:57:40,880
Speaker 1: deserve an award. I'll give you an award. Yeah, I'll

1025
00:57:40,880 --> 00:57:43,640
Speaker 1: give you. I mean I've won an award. Yes, you

1026
00:57:43,720 --> 00:57:49,440
Speaker 1: have whatever. Yeah, Sophie has won an award. Prop and I,

1027
00:57:49,800 --> 00:57:50,920
Speaker 1: You and I are going to have to do some

1028
00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:57,320
Speaker 1: asymmetric warfare. Now get that fucking trophy, you and Loft.

1029
00:57:57,360 --> 00:58:01,200
Speaker 1: It's a running away with it. Man. It's definitely changed us.

1030
00:58:01,320 --> 00:58:05,480
Speaker 1: We're definitely people with you and they one. You know

1031
00:58:05,520 --> 00:58:08,000
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, I have I'm gonna be honest with you.

1032
00:58:08,240 --> 00:58:12,080
Speaker 1: Never been this angry um, not so high and above us.

1033
00:58:12,920 --> 00:58:16,080
Speaker 1: That's your new name now, Jamie, You and you and

1034
00:58:16,160 --> 00:58:19,840
Speaker 1: me proper. We gotta do some some Bill Casey, some McFarland,

1035
00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:25,240
Speaker 1: some fucking Ali North Ship. We gotta roll on this. Yes, yeah,

1036
00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:30,919
Speaker 1: get those goddamn trophies anyway. She all right, all right,

1037
00:58:31,480 --> 00:58:33,680
Speaker 1: I don't know which, I don't know which. The music

1038
00:58:33,720 --> 00:58:36,760
Speaker 1: is rolling in right now, but that's don't the Batman.

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Speaker 1: Let's do the Batman theme music. Okay, leader, all right,

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Speaker 1: all right, that's part one by