1
00:00:48,159 --> 00:00:51,279
Speaker 1: Welcome to Naked Sports, the podcast where we live at

2
00:00:51,280 --> 00:00:56,200
Speaker 1: the intersection of sports, politics, and culture. Our purpose reveal

3
00:00:56,280 --> 00:00:59,680
Speaker 1: the common threads that bind them all. So what's happening

4
00:00:59,720 --> 00:01:02,920
Speaker 1: and is basketball right now? Is what we've been trying

5
00:01:02,920 --> 00:01:06,320
Speaker 1: to get to for almost thirty years. From the stadiums

6
00:01:06,319 --> 00:01:09,680
Speaker 1: where athlete to break barriers and set records. Caitlin Quark

7
00:01:09,720 --> 00:01:12,440
Speaker 1: broke the all time single game assists record.

8
00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:14,520
Speaker 2: This is crazy for rookies to be doing.

9
00:01:14,880 --> 00:01:18,440
Speaker 1: Our discussions will uncover the vital connections between these realms

10
00:01:18,760 --> 00:01:21,920
Speaker 1: and the community we create. In each episode, we'll sit

11
00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:26,360
Speaker 1: down with athletes, political analysts, and culture critics because at

12
00:01:26,360 --> 00:01:29,080
Speaker 1: the core of it all, how we see one issue

13
00:01:29,520 --> 00:01:33,560
Speaker 1: shines the light on all others. Welcome to Naked Sports.

14
00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:41,160
Speaker 1: I'm your host, Carrie Champion. Hello, everyone, Welcome back to

15
00:01:41,240 --> 00:01:46,040
Speaker 1: Naked Sports. I am here in studio recording. I think

16
00:01:46,280 --> 00:01:49,440
Speaker 1: I took about two weeks off. We re aired two

17
00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:51,560
Speaker 1: podcasts that I really love, so thank you all for

18
00:01:51,600 --> 00:01:55,680
Speaker 1: supporting us. One was Malcolm Jamal Warner. The other was

19
00:01:55,720 --> 00:01:59,600
Speaker 1: about love, the new Volleyball League, the new professional women's

20
00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:02,960
Speaker 1: Volleyball League, and the reason why I like to give

21
00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:07,400
Speaker 1: you guys an update. Obviously the Malcolm Jamal Warner news.

22
00:02:07,560 --> 00:02:11,000
Speaker 1: No one was prepared for that. It was really unfortunate,

23
00:02:11,040 --> 00:02:13,040
Speaker 1: and that was a way in which I wanted to

24
00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:17,240
Speaker 1: pay respect to someone who I believe narrated parts of

25
00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:22,720
Speaker 1: my childhood. Really sad, but I was so overjoyed with

26
00:02:22,919 --> 00:02:28,200
Speaker 1: the way that the culture truly honored him. And we

27
00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:31,000
Speaker 1: saw all of these wonderful messages and people reaching out,

28
00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:33,840
Speaker 1: and I thought that was beautiful to show what an

29
00:02:33,880 --> 00:02:37,640
Speaker 1: impact he had on so many of us. I last week,

30
00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:41,680
Speaker 1: the reason why we had a reair went to Martha's Vineyard,

31
00:02:42,080 --> 00:02:45,680
Speaker 1: and that is where I want to begin. Folks, if

32
00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:48,760
Speaker 1: you haven't been to Martha's Vineyard, I know for me,

33
00:02:48,880 --> 00:02:50,320
Speaker 1: I grew up on the West Coast. I didn't know

34
00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:52,720
Speaker 1: much about Martha's Vineyard. It didn't even really feel like

35
00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:55,520
Speaker 1: a real place for me. And the first time I

36
00:02:55,560 --> 00:02:59,200
Speaker 1: went was probably three years ago. And when I tell you,

37
00:02:59,320 --> 00:03:03,120
Speaker 1: it was such a beautiful experience, I had to have

38
00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:05,520
Speaker 1: that over and over again. And this is how I

39
00:03:05,600 --> 00:03:09,120
Speaker 1: will explain Martha's Vineyard for those who are watching. Oak

40
00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:14,200
Speaker 1: Bluff's historically was a place where black people could go.

41
00:03:14,440 --> 00:03:17,919
Speaker 1: It was only beach. In fact, when it was segregated

42
00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:21,200
Speaker 1: where black people could go, and over the years it

43
00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:26,200
Speaker 1: has become a destination for everyone, but more specifically for

44
00:03:26,280 --> 00:03:28,680
Speaker 1: the culture. And it is such a beautiful place. And

45
00:03:28,720 --> 00:03:31,040
Speaker 1: I try to explain it to my friends, especially those

46
00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:33,560
Speaker 1: who've never been, but more specifically those on the West Coast,

47
00:03:33,600 --> 00:03:37,080
Speaker 1: because it's so hard to get to Martha's Vineyard. It's

48
00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:42,600
Speaker 1: a small island, not far from Nantucket or other islands

49
00:03:42,640 --> 00:03:46,000
Speaker 1: that you've heard of, sag Harbor, the Hampton's, all these

50
00:03:46,040 --> 00:03:49,400
Speaker 1: special little areas right that you hear about on the

51
00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:53,200
Speaker 1: East Coast, and it exists in its own way, and

52
00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:56,280
Speaker 1: it feels like I am taking a trip back to

53
00:03:56,400 --> 00:04:02,000
Speaker 1: another land. It feels like Happy Days when I say

54
00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:03,960
Speaker 1: Happy Days. That was a television show. I know many

55
00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:05,680
Speaker 1: of you may not know about it, but it feels

56
00:04:05,760 --> 00:04:09,640
Speaker 1: like it's just not real. We are in the Wizard

57
00:04:09,640 --> 00:04:12,440
Speaker 1: of Oz if you will. It's because when you get there,

58
00:04:13,840 --> 00:04:20,080
Speaker 1: time doesn't exist. You're not on the clock. You're walking around,

59
00:04:20,200 --> 00:04:23,960
Speaker 1: you're riding bikes to the beach, You're saying hi to

60
00:04:24,040 --> 00:04:26,680
Speaker 1: your neighbors. This is the best way to describe it

61
00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:28,880
Speaker 1: and the reason why I am talking about it. I

62
00:04:28,920 --> 00:04:31,039
Speaker 1: would love for all of you to have the same

63
00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:35,279
Speaker 1: experience that I had. Usually, August is the time in

64
00:04:35,320 --> 00:04:37,880
Speaker 1: which all the folks, the black folks show up there. Right,

65
00:04:37,960 --> 00:04:41,480
Speaker 1: it's a special. They have the film Festival and different

66
00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:44,120
Speaker 1: people come and present their films like mar bracka Kill

67
00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:47,960
Speaker 1: or I know that I saw Dave Chappelle. He has

68
00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:50,920
Speaker 1: a documentary out and he was there. It is not

69
00:04:50,960 --> 00:04:53,240
Speaker 1: only that they have the film Festival in August, but

70
00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:56,800
Speaker 1: what it does do is create a community that I

71
00:04:56,880 --> 00:04:59,240
Speaker 1: don't think exists when we are in our day to

72
00:04:59,360 --> 00:05:04,600
Speaker 1: day live. I say, when I land on the island

73
00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:06,960
Speaker 1: and I get situated, right, whether it be at a

74
00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:09,640
Speaker 1: hotel or some people rent houses. A bunch of folks

75
00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:12,440
Speaker 1: normally rent houses as a community. Right, You'll go to

76
00:05:12,480 --> 00:05:14,400
Speaker 1: a house and there's like ten people staying in a house,

77
00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:16,480
Speaker 1: but it's set for that. That's the vibe of the

78
00:05:16,520 --> 00:05:20,320
Speaker 1: whole place. Like a camp, it's an adult camp. It

79
00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:25,000
Speaker 1: immediately relaxes my nervous system. And I'm not going to

80
00:05:25,040 --> 00:05:26,839
Speaker 1: get into the particulars of all the things that you

81
00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:32,880
Speaker 1: can do while you're there, because it can be quite stimulating,

82
00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:35,719
Speaker 1: if not overstimulating, because there's always an event and there's

83
00:05:35,760 --> 00:05:38,800
Speaker 1: always something happening, and there's always this, and there's always that.

84
00:05:38,839 --> 00:05:41,000
Speaker 1: You don't have to do any of that. But what

85
00:05:41,040 --> 00:05:43,920
Speaker 1: I do like the relaxing aspect of it is that

86
00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:48,040
Speaker 1: imagine doing yoga at six am in the morning. They

87
00:05:48,080 --> 00:05:50,360
Speaker 1: have something at the beach known as ink Well. They

88
00:05:50,360 --> 00:05:52,320
Speaker 1: had a whole movie about ink Well. Go watch ink Well.

89
00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:54,560
Speaker 1: You know what I'm talking about. And people go there

90
00:05:54,920 --> 00:05:57,680
Speaker 1: and they do yoga at six am in the morning.

91
00:05:58,160 --> 00:05:59,760
Speaker 1: You get done with yoga, and you walk down the

92
00:05:59,760 --> 00:06:01,920
Speaker 1: street and you say hi to people you don't even know,

93
00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:05,239
Speaker 1: and it's just so much love because your nervous system

94
00:06:05,400 --> 00:06:09,000
Speaker 1: is so calm. There's a quote that says, make sure

95
00:06:09,680 --> 00:06:13,080
Speaker 1: that you keep people around you that relax your nervous

96
00:06:13,080 --> 00:06:16,560
Speaker 1: system so you're not anxious or uptight or constantly feeling

97
00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:19,440
Speaker 1: like you have to get to work. And that's what

98
00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:25,560
Speaker 1: Martha's Vineyard does for me specifically. And I encourage everyone,

99
00:06:25,839 --> 00:06:29,240
Speaker 1: if not just spend a couple of days there. I

100
00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:31,200
Speaker 1: know it sounds like it might be out of reach

101
00:06:31,240 --> 00:06:34,440
Speaker 1: and it's expensive, it's not. If you plan ahead, everyone

102
00:06:34,480 --> 00:06:37,120
Speaker 1: can do it. It's open to all, and it's something

103
00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:40,240
Speaker 1: that I would love for us to experience culturally. Now,

104
00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:45,599
Speaker 1: with that being said, I missed in ABJ National Association

105
00:06:45,800 --> 00:06:51,600
Speaker 1: of Black Journalists. They have an event every year. Obviously,

106
00:06:51,720 --> 00:06:57,240
Speaker 1: people come together and they're all journalists, primarily black journalists.

107
00:06:57,240 --> 00:06:59,039
Speaker 1: Perhaps you're looking for a job and you get to

108
00:06:59,080 --> 00:07:02,520
Speaker 1: meet with the from corporations that show up. CNN shows up,

109
00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:06,880
Speaker 1: local news outlets show up. Different representatives from these companies

110
00:07:06,920 --> 00:07:11,880
Speaker 1: show up, and the idea is to one either get

111
00:07:11,880 --> 00:07:17,280
Speaker 1: a job, network or talk about plans to change the

112
00:07:17,320 --> 00:07:21,080
Speaker 1: world as journalists. I wanted to be a journalist because

113
00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:24,880
Speaker 1: I realized and I couldn't articulate articulate it this way

114
00:07:24,920 --> 00:07:26,560
Speaker 1: when I was a kid. But I wanted to be

115
00:07:26,600 --> 00:07:32,760
Speaker 1: a journalist because I knew there was this moral responsibility,

116
00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:37,400
Speaker 1: not obligation, but responsibility to be a watchdog in society.

117
00:07:37,720 --> 00:07:39,840
Speaker 1: And I wish there was another term for watchdog. It

118
00:07:39,880 --> 00:07:46,800
Speaker 1: simply means I felt as if treating people unfairly couldn't

119
00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:48,800
Speaker 1: exist in the world that I lived in, and how

120
00:07:48,840 --> 00:07:51,840
Speaker 1: could I help participate without outside of being an attorney,

121
00:07:52,720 --> 00:07:56,440
Speaker 1: outside of being an activist, outside of being a doctor

122
00:07:56,800 --> 00:07:59,160
Speaker 1: who knows there are many ways in which you can

123
00:07:59,200 --> 00:08:02,840
Speaker 1: make sure people are being treated fairly. I chose journalism,

124
00:08:03,240 --> 00:08:06,640
Speaker 1: and when I joined INNABJ, it was such a special

125
00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:12,760
Speaker 1: moment for me. And every year when they have NABJ events,

126
00:08:12,760 --> 00:08:14,640
Speaker 1: and I don't know why, I'm struggling to find the

127
00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:17,520
Speaker 1: actual I would like to say, summit, right, are you

128
00:08:17,600 --> 00:08:20,520
Speaker 1: going to NABJ When they have this every year, they

129
00:08:20,520 --> 00:08:22,720
Speaker 1: have it in different cities. This year, it just so

130
00:08:22,800 --> 00:08:25,800
Speaker 1: happens it fell in the week where I was going

131
00:08:25,840 --> 00:08:30,080
Speaker 1: to be in Martha's vineyard, so I wasn't able to attend. However,

132
00:08:31,640 --> 00:08:37,560
Speaker 1: I did participate in the elections. They elect a president,

133
00:08:37,800 --> 00:08:43,000
Speaker 1: they elect a treasurer, they elect various council members, cabinet

134
00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:50,720
Speaker 1: members for NABJ, And today I have the pleasure of

135
00:08:50,880 --> 00:08:56,920
Speaker 1: interviewing the newly elected president of the National Association of

136
00:08:56,960 --> 00:09:03,440
Speaker 1: Black Journalists. Her name Aaron Haynes. She is my friend,

137
00:09:04,520 --> 00:09:07,880
Speaker 1: but she's also metam president, and I'm so excited to

138
00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:10,960
Speaker 1: have her on the podcast to talk about it in ABJ,

139
00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:13,720
Speaker 1: to talk about the role of journalism because, as you know,

140
00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:18,640
Speaker 1: in today's age, it is very difficult to speak truth

141
00:09:18,679 --> 00:09:21,000
Speaker 1: to power, to feel as if your job will be

142
00:09:21,040 --> 00:09:26,320
Speaker 1: protected if you say something that doesn't necessarily feel fair.

143
00:09:27,280 --> 00:09:30,800
Speaker 1: Or accurate to this current administration. We're seeing it left

144
00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:33,480
Speaker 1: and right. Journalists are being let go, they're being fired.

145
00:09:34,120 --> 00:09:36,679
Speaker 1: They're honestly afraid to do their jobs. And she has

146
00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:41,000
Speaker 1: a huge task, and that is how do you rally

147
00:09:41,040 --> 00:09:44,920
Speaker 1: the troops? How do you keep journalists in a space

148
00:09:44,920 --> 00:09:47,080
Speaker 1: where they want to report the truth if not for

149
00:09:47,120 --> 00:09:49,600
Speaker 1: fear of losing their job. I mean, that's a tough

150
00:09:49,640 --> 00:09:53,040
Speaker 1: space to be in. I called it wartime journalism, meaning

151
00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:56,040
Speaker 1: like we're at war. Wherever we are right now, we

152
00:09:56,120 --> 00:09:57,800
Speaker 1: are at war. And I'm not like, it may not

153
00:09:57,800 --> 00:10:00,440
Speaker 1: feel physical to you, but we are. It may not

154
00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:03,400
Speaker 1: feel like life threatening to you, but we are. Whenever

155
00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:07,560
Speaker 1: your civil liberties are being threatened, that is war. And

156
00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:14,800
Speaker 1: So today my friend, journalist Aaron Haynes' newly elected president

157
00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:18,839
Speaker 1: of NABJ, will join us and talk to us about

158
00:10:18,880 --> 00:10:23,200
Speaker 1: the task ahead and what her plans are. Thank you

159
00:10:23,280 --> 00:10:27,160
Speaker 1: so much for listening to this edition of Naked Sports.

160
00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:43,840
Speaker 1: We'll be back in just a few moments.

161
00:10:46,800 --> 00:10:49,360
Speaker 3: I'm Aaron Haynes, editor at Large at the nineteenth and

162
00:10:49,400 --> 00:10:52,800
Speaker 3: the twenty fourth president of the National Association of Black Journalists.

163
00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:54,760
Speaker 1: Congratulations, how are you?

164
00:10:54,800 --> 00:10:58,600
Speaker 3: Thank you, my friend listen, I feel wonderful. I feel

165
00:10:58,640 --> 00:11:01,480
Speaker 3: excited to get started, but also not a moment too

166
00:11:01,520 --> 00:11:04,240
Speaker 3: soon for our profession and for our democracy and for

167
00:11:04,360 --> 00:11:05,160
Speaker 3: all the things.

168
00:11:05,640 --> 00:11:08,160
Speaker 1: There is a lot to cover. First and foremost, for

169
00:11:08,200 --> 00:11:11,000
Speaker 1: those who are listening and they're not familiar with NABJ

170
00:11:11,400 --> 00:11:14,080
Speaker 1: National Association of Black Journalists, in which you are the

171
00:11:14,080 --> 00:11:18,679
Speaker 1: twenty fourth president, mad Damn President, address her accordingly. Tell

172
00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:23,320
Speaker 1: everyone what NABJ stands for in terms of what is

173
00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:27,600
Speaker 1: the inception of the actual group and why we have

174
00:11:27,679 --> 00:11:28,720
Speaker 1: a convention every year.

175
00:11:29,200 --> 00:11:31,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, what it stands for and what we stand for.

176
00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:35,120
Speaker 3: So NABJ is the National Association of Black Journalists. We

177
00:11:35,160 --> 00:11:37,920
Speaker 3: are the oldest, We are the largest advocacy organization for

178
00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:41,760
Speaker 3: journalists of color. We are celebrating our fiftieth anniversary. In

179
00:11:41,840 --> 00:11:46,440
Speaker 3: nineteen seventy five, forty four bold black journalists came together

180
00:11:46,520 --> 00:11:48,720
Speaker 3: and said that our stories were not going to be raised,

181
00:11:48,920 --> 00:11:50,880
Speaker 3: that our journalists were not going to be silenced. And

182
00:11:50,920 --> 00:11:55,160
Speaker 3: we have been fighting ever since for diverse representation in

183
00:11:55,280 --> 00:11:58,480
Speaker 3: America's newsrooms and fighting for our stories, which we know

184
00:11:58,520 --> 00:12:01,080
Speaker 3: are part of the American story. So every year we

185
00:12:01,120 --> 00:12:05,319
Speaker 3: come together thousands strong to celebrate and also to learn

186
00:12:05,960 --> 00:12:09,400
Speaker 3: the craft and to grow the next generation of black journalists.

187
00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:11,439
Speaker 3: And now I could not be prouder to be leading

188
00:12:11,520 --> 00:12:13,760
Speaker 3: us into our next fifty years.

189
00:12:13,880 --> 00:12:16,520
Speaker 1: Amen. Amen, Amen. But let me tell you this. If

190
00:12:16,520 --> 00:12:18,400
Speaker 1: someone's listening and they think that they have to be

191
00:12:18,480 --> 00:12:20,480
Speaker 1: in front of the camera type journalists or they have

192
00:12:20,559 --> 00:12:24,559
Speaker 1: to be a writer journalists, explain to them in terms

193
00:12:24,559 --> 00:12:28,160
Speaker 1: of the advocacy that exists, you don't need to necessarily

194
00:12:28,640 --> 00:12:31,360
Speaker 1: be someone who is presenting to be a part of ANAPJ.

195
00:12:32,320 --> 00:12:33,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, that's absolutely true.

196
00:12:33,760 --> 00:12:35,560
Speaker 3: I mean, look, there are so many ways to show

197
00:12:35,640 --> 00:12:38,280
Speaker 3: up as a black journalist, as people who are shaping

198
00:12:38,559 --> 00:12:42,040
Speaker 3: this narrative about our country. Yes, folks like you who

199
00:12:42,080 --> 00:12:44,840
Speaker 3: have been you know, on air, as anchors, as those

200
00:12:44,920 --> 00:12:48,160
Speaker 3: on air reporters. I spent most of my career as

201
00:12:48,160 --> 00:12:50,120
Speaker 3: a print journalists. Now you know, some of you may

202
00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:53,160
Speaker 3: see me sometimes on MSNBC talking about politics, talking about

203
00:12:53,240 --> 00:12:55,320
Speaker 3: race and gender. But you know, there are so many

204
00:12:55,320 --> 00:12:59,160
Speaker 3: folks behind the scenes, the producers, the editors that make

205
00:12:59,240 --> 00:13:04,000
Speaker 3: this happen. These folks are also essential to the storytelling,

206
00:13:04,040 --> 00:13:05,839
Speaker 3: and they are also under attack, and they are also

207
00:13:05,960 --> 00:13:09,800
Speaker 3: woefully underrepresented in our industry. So you know, I have

208
00:13:09,880 --> 00:13:12,960
Speaker 3: to say the fight facing black journalists now could not

209
00:13:13,040 --> 00:13:15,640
Speaker 3: be more urgent. We're in this political climate where you

210
00:13:15,720 --> 00:13:19,680
Speaker 3: have just increasing hostility towards all journalists, but especially those

211
00:13:19,679 --> 00:13:22,280
Speaker 3: that are focused on race, or inequality or democracy.

212
00:13:22,679 --> 00:13:23,800
Speaker 2: You've got disinformation.

213
00:13:23,960 --> 00:13:25,880
Speaker 3: I mean, those folks behind the scenes are working to

214
00:13:25,880 --> 00:13:28,840
Speaker 3: push back against disinformation, just like those of us who

215
00:13:28,840 --> 00:13:32,080
Speaker 3: are using our platforms to try to prevent that from happening,

216
00:13:32,280 --> 00:13:35,120
Speaker 3: because we know that that's disproportionately affecting our folks, right.

217
00:13:35,520 --> 00:13:37,880
Speaker 3: And then the industry pressure is the layoffs, the shrinking

218
00:13:37,960 --> 00:13:41,000
Speaker 3: local newsrooms, the backsliding on DEI, all of that is

219
00:13:41,040 --> 00:13:43,559
Speaker 3: also affecting black journalists, whether they are in front of

220
00:13:43,559 --> 00:13:46,400
Speaker 3: the camera, not in front of the camera, have a byline,

221
00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:48,560
Speaker 3: we don't know their names. Like all of us are

222
00:13:48,640 --> 00:13:51,160
Speaker 3: under attack right now, and our jobs and our stories

223
00:13:51,200 --> 00:13:51,839
Speaker 3: are under threat.

224
00:13:52,080 --> 00:13:54,520
Speaker 1: Which leads me to my next question. Because as I'm

225
00:13:54,559 --> 00:13:57,160
Speaker 1: doing the intro, and I was having a hard time

226
00:13:57,240 --> 00:13:59,600
Speaker 1: finding my words because I wanted you to have everything,

227
00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:01,880
Speaker 1: and I'm like the convention, the meeting, I'm like, there's

228
00:14:01,920 --> 00:14:05,080
Speaker 1: this convention that we have every year, and normally people

229
00:14:05,120 --> 00:14:07,360
Speaker 1: would go to the convention to find a job. Still

230
00:14:07,360 --> 00:14:11,280
Speaker 1: the case to network, but there is to your point,

231
00:14:12,160 --> 00:14:15,400
Speaker 1: and we're under attack. The fourth State is under attack.

232
00:14:15,960 --> 00:14:21,320
Speaker 1: And I wonder why you at this time decided I'm

233
00:14:21,360 --> 00:14:23,760
Speaker 1: stepping up. This is what I need to do. I

234
00:14:23,840 --> 00:14:26,840
Speaker 1: need to rally the troops, if you will. I need

235
00:14:26,880 --> 00:14:29,440
Speaker 1: to get a cohesive plan put together so that we

236
00:14:29,560 --> 00:14:34,200
Speaker 1: can push back with the narrative and the misinformation and

237
00:14:34,240 --> 00:14:36,680
Speaker 1: the firing of black journalists.

238
00:14:37,040 --> 00:14:37,320
Speaker 2: Yeah.

239
00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:40,560
Speaker 3: I mean, look, I think for me, I came into

240
00:14:40,640 --> 00:14:43,880
Speaker 3: this year with such a tremendous sense of urgency around

241
00:14:44,240 --> 00:14:47,040
Speaker 3: this moment in our democracy and this moment in our profession.

242
00:14:47,080 --> 00:14:50,200
Speaker 3: And I'm looking around and I'm seeing that people were

243
00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:52,600
Speaker 3: not responding. There was not a pushback to what we

244
00:14:52,600 --> 00:14:56,280
Speaker 3: were seeing, the attacks on journalism, the attacks on the truth,

245
00:14:56,280 --> 00:14:59,920
Speaker 3: the attacks against frankly Black America, and so really, you know,

246
00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:02,080
Speaker 3: as I thought about what my best and highest use

247
00:15:02,200 --> 00:15:04,680
Speaker 3: in this moment as a journalist, as a member of

248
00:15:04,720 --> 00:15:08,000
Speaker 3: our beloved organization was, this is really where I landed.

249
00:15:08,080 --> 00:15:10,600
Speaker 3: And when I thought about, you know, what I wanted

250
00:15:10,640 --> 00:15:13,400
Speaker 3: to do in this role, Like, the question for me

251
00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:16,640
Speaker 3: was not if an ABJ was going to respond it,

252
00:15:16,800 --> 00:15:20,000
Speaker 3: but really it was just how boldly can we lead? So,

253
00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:23,400
Speaker 3: I mean advocacy. That was the spirit that the founders

254
00:15:23,440 --> 00:15:27,360
Speaker 3: came together in nineteen seventy five, standing up against censorship,

255
00:15:27,400 --> 00:15:31,320
Speaker 3: calling out under representation, pushing for you know, equitable hiring.

256
00:15:31,640 --> 00:15:34,400
Speaker 2: We have to do that. But also like.

257
00:15:34,840 --> 00:15:37,160
Speaker 3: Equipping journalists with tools for the future, like what does

258
00:15:37,160 --> 00:15:40,080
Speaker 3: it mean for black journalists to be impacted by AI?

259
00:15:40,240 --> 00:15:43,520
Speaker 3: But also shape helping to shape AI going forward. And

260
00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:45,280
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, Carrie, I know, I don't have

261
00:15:45,320 --> 00:15:48,080
Speaker 3: to tell you, like black women's leadership in this moment

262
00:15:48,120 --> 00:15:50,600
Speaker 3: could not be more important, despite what anybody else might

263
00:15:50,600 --> 00:15:53,400
Speaker 3: try to say or suggest. Right, So, like being a

264
00:15:53,440 --> 00:15:56,560
Speaker 3: n abj An organization you know that has so many

265
00:15:56,560 --> 00:15:58,280
Speaker 3: black women in it, where we are seeing so many

266
00:15:58,280 --> 00:16:00,440
Speaker 3: black women leading, where we're seeing so many black women

267
00:16:00,520 --> 00:16:02,960
Speaker 3: first in media who are coming under attack.

268
00:16:03,080 --> 00:16:05,240
Speaker 2: Like the weight and the gift of that responsibility is

269
00:16:05,280 --> 00:16:08,520
Speaker 2: not lost on me. And just seeing.

270
00:16:08,240 --> 00:16:10,600
Speaker 3: Myself as kind of part of this long tradition of

271
00:16:10,600 --> 00:16:13,920
Speaker 3: black women in journalism as truth tellers and bridge builders,

272
00:16:13,960 --> 00:16:17,080
Speaker 3: and like the moral compass of our newsrooms and of

273
00:16:17,120 --> 00:16:20,080
Speaker 3: our democracy. Like that is the spirit that I bring

274
00:16:20,120 --> 00:16:23,320
Speaker 3: to this presidency right now because we are leading in

275
00:16:23,360 --> 00:16:26,320
Speaker 3: a moment when democracy impressed freedom or under threat, So like,

276
00:16:26,360 --> 00:16:27,680
Speaker 3: why wouldn't the perspective of a.

277
00:16:27,760 --> 00:16:30,200
Speaker 2: Black women be essential in this moment? Right?

278
00:16:30,920 --> 00:16:34,040
Speaker 3: The lessons that we know that black women are here

279
00:16:34,080 --> 00:16:37,520
Speaker 3: to teach this country about resilience, about building coalitions, about

280
00:16:37,800 --> 00:16:40,160
Speaker 3: centering community, like all of that is what journalism needs

281
00:16:40,240 --> 00:16:42,000
Speaker 3: right now. And I felt like that was what ANABJ

282
00:16:42,120 --> 00:16:43,640
Speaker 3: needed right now in its next president.

283
00:16:43,880 --> 00:16:46,600
Speaker 1: They needed you, Madam President. And I want to be

284
00:16:46,680 --> 00:16:48,800
Speaker 1: more specific because someone will listen to this or if

285
00:16:48,840 --> 00:16:50,320
Speaker 1: I post a clip and they're like, what do you

286
00:16:50,400 --> 00:16:52,400
Speaker 1: mean under attack? What do you mean? That sounds like

287
00:16:52,440 --> 00:16:56,720
Speaker 1: a complaint? I can you give us a specific example

288
00:16:56,840 --> 00:17:01,360
Speaker 1: of how you've seen journalism on under attack? There are many,

289
00:17:01,520 --> 00:17:04,280
Speaker 1: but anyone that really stands true that the world can

290
00:17:04,320 --> 00:17:06,320
Speaker 1: honestly say. You know what, I can argue with that?

291
00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:08,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, look, when we see people in our

292
00:17:08,800 --> 00:17:12,520
Speaker 3: highest levels of government saying that journalism is the enemy

293
00:17:12,560 --> 00:17:15,159
Speaker 3: of the people. No, journalism is an essential pillar of

294
00:17:15,160 --> 00:17:15,919
Speaker 3: our democracy.

295
00:17:15,960 --> 00:17:16,640
Speaker 2: We know that.

296
00:17:16,920 --> 00:17:19,840
Speaker 3: And when you combine that with you know people who

297
00:17:19,880 --> 00:17:23,280
Speaker 3: would suggest that diversity, equity, and inclusion are not American

298
00:17:23,480 --> 00:17:25,879
Speaker 3: values that have helped us become a more free, a

299
00:17:25,920 --> 00:17:28,919
Speaker 3: more fair, a more equal society. Like that is what

300
00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:31,239
Speaker 3: I mean when I say journalism and the truth are

301
00:17:31,320 --> 00:17:34,520
Speaker 3: under attack in this moment. And so, you know, black

302
00:17:34,600 --> 00:17:37,960
Speaker 3: journalists are are journalists that have always spoken with clarity.

303
00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:40,639
Speaker 3: You know, often they have been kind of the lone

304
00:17:40,720 --> 00:17:43,159
Speaker 3: voices who have been telling the truth about who and

305
00:17:43,200 --> 00:17:45,480
Speaker 3: where we are as a country. And so to lose

306
00:17:45,480 --> 00:17:48,960
Speaker 3: those voices or to have those voices attempted to be silenced,

307
00:17:49,359 --> 00:17:51,680
Speaker 3: you know, I think that that is something that is

308
00:17:52,920 --> 00:17:55,080
Speaker 3: headed in the wrong direction, especially as we as a

309
00:17:55,119 --> 00:17:57,439
Speaker 3: country are getting ready to celebrate our two hundred and

310
00:17:57,440 --> 00:18:00,560
Speaker 3: fiftieth anniversary, Like, is this really where we want to

311
00:18:00,600 --> 00:18:03,199
Speaker 3: be going as a democracy? A country that is not

312
00:18:03,400 --> 00:18:08,920
Speaker 3: valuing the diverse perspectives of its free press right now?

313
00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:11,000
Speaker 3: That just doesn't make sense to me. It's certainly not

314
00:18:11,080 --> 00:18:13,080
Speaker 3: the journalism that you and I came up in, and

315
00:18:13,119 --> 00:18:15,159
Speaker 3: it's not where I want to go once.

316
00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:18,440
Speaker 1: This is where I feel like we are as journalists.

317
00:18:18,920 --> 00:18:22,760
Speaker 1: I feel especially when you watch any any program, you

318
00:18:22,760 --> 00:18:25,160
Speaker 1: don't watch any you can say whatever you like. Now

319
00:18:25,640 --> 00:18:29,719
Speaker 1: there's no fact checking, there is no pushback in terms

320
00:18:29,760 --> 00:18:33,879
Speaker 1: of narratives that are being created and the reality is,

321
00:18:34,280 --> 00:18:37,119
Speaker 1: if I'm being honest with you, I don't think the

322
00:18:37,280 --> 00:18:41,800
Speaker 1: average citizen believes anything they hear and or see. So

323
00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:44,840
Speaker 1: if I'm on Threads or if I'm on X, or

324
00:18:44,880 --> 00:18:50,400
Speaker 1: if I'm on TV for that matter, everyone has an opinion,

325
00:18:51,080 --> 00:18:54,880
Speaker 1: and everyone can push some sort of narrative with with

326
00:18:54,880 --> 00:18:58,119
Speaker 1: with no real fact behind it, and it could it

327
00:18:58,160 --> 00:19:01,399
Speaker 1: takes forever to circle go back and correct it if

328
00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:04,399
Speaker 1: it's correct at all. And I feel like we're living

329
00:19:04,400 --> 00:19:08,359
Speaker 1: in a time. We're journalists, such as yourself, myself, We're like,

330
00:19:08,720 --> 00:19:12,520
Speaker 1: how do we cut through the nonsense and speak truth

331
00:19:12,600 --> 00:19:15,520
Speaker 1: to power? Is there a blueprint in place?

332
00:19:16,600 --> 00:19:16,919
Speaker 2: Carrie?

333
00:19:16,920 --> 00:19:19,600
Speaker 3: People like you are the blueprint, Like speaking truth to

334
00:19:19,680 --> 00:19:22,840
Speaker 3: power matters. Doing that in public matters, even in the

335
00:19:22,880 --> 00:19:26,560
Speaker 3: face of missing different disinformation. I watch you, I see

336
00:19:26,600 --> 00:19:29,200
Speaker 3: you out here in these journalism streets trying to tell

337
00:19:29,240 --> 00:19:32,399
Speaker 3: the truth about this country. You are somebody that is

338
00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:34,840
Speaker 3: a trusted messenger among our people. And when you try

339
00:19:34,880 --> 00:19:38,000
Speaker 3: to do that and you are disrespected on air, and

340
00:19:38,040 --> 00:19:40,720
Speaker 3: nobody speaks up and speaks out and says no, this

341
00:19:40,920 --> 00:19:42,840
Speaker 3: is wrong. Like that is what I mean when I

342
00:19:42,880 --> 00:19:45,680
Speaker 3: say advocacy is needed. Somebody has to be out here

343
00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:49,679
Speaker 3: and say, you know, First Amendment rights, sure, but also

344
00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:50,879
Speaker 3: where is the decorum?

345
00:19:50,920 --> 00:19:52,000
Speaker 2: Where is the civility?

346
00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:56,159
Speaker 3: Why is it okay for black women to be disrespected

347
00:19:56,680 --> 00:19:58,359
Speaker 3: on air with impunity?

348
00:19:58,640 --> 00:19:59,800
Speaker 1: With impunity?

349
00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:03,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, within that is it's not acceptable, but it is

350
00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:07,040
Speaker 3: part of an overall kind of political climate that we

351
00:20:07,119 --> 00:20:11,040
Speaker 3: are seeing that is being you know, encouraged and emboldened

352
00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:14,280
Speaker 3: in this moment as we are saying that race and gender,

353
00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:18,200
Speaker 3: you know that this color, that this this society, you know,

354
00:20:18,520 --> 00:20:20,680
Speaker 3: the word is that you know, we need to be

355
00:20:20,760 --> 00:20:23,200
Speaker 3: going to a colorblind society. What it really means is that,

356
00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:26,320
Speaker 3: you know, folks would be happier if we were invisible.

357
00:20:27,040 --> 00:20:29,800
Speaker 1: And that's what they're trying to do. They are dismissing us.

358
00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:33,840
Speaker 1: I find myself for instance, get case in point. I

359
00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:35,880
Speaker 1: went on Lower Coachs the last night. The producer says

360
00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:37,920
Speaker 1: to me. The note the producer gives me is let's

361
00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:40,400
Speaker 1: just have fun. Last fifteen minutes of the show, I

362
00:20:40,440 --> 00:20:44,960
Speaker 1: am talking about fun topics and they're supposed to be fun.

363
00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:47,119
Speaker 1: And there's a guy named Pete Dominic on the other end.

364
00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:48,600
Speaker 1: I don't know if you're familiar with him. He has

365
00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:50,600
Speaker 1: some sort of radio show. Yet again, another person with

366
00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:54,480
Speaker 1: a personality, and he's not he's not red or blue.

367
00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:58,159
Speaker 1: If he leaned anyway, perhaps it was democratic, democratic, but

368
00:20:58,280 --> 00:21:01,840
Speaker 1: I wouldn't know. But he's immediately in defense mode, and

369
00:21:01,880 --> 00:21:03,600
Speaker 1: I just really shut it down. I said, hey, do

370
00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:06,159
Speaker 1: me a favor. This is supposed to be a light segment.

371
00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:07,879
Speaker 1: I don't know if you got the notes, you know,

372
00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:10,440
Speaker 1: but I'm not here to battle you and I Aaron,

373
00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:14,040
Speaker 1: I'm at the point where I refuse to be on

374
00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:16,199
Speaker 1: TV with Scott Jennings. I'm just not going to go

375
00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:21,080
Speaker 1: on a show and allow him to lie and say

376
00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:25,639
Speaker 1: disrespectful things and or make disrespectful faces and they and

377
00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:29,679
Speaker 1: it's for someone else's entertainment because in fact, it's not

378
00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:33,360
Speaker 1: like he really cares about it. It's for fun. It's

379
00:21:33,359 --> 00:21:36,160
Speaker 1: not as if he's trying to press a message. It's

380
00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:41,080
Speaker 1: for fun. And for us black women more specifically, we

381
00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:43,600
Speaker 1: feel this in a way because we know it's our

382
00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:46,119
Speaker 1: responsibility to stand up. It's not for fun for me,

383
00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:47,080
Speaker 1: you know what I mean.

384
00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:50,679
Speaker 3: And the stakes are what you were talking about, right,

385
00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:54,919
Speaker 3: The stakes are democracy are high and we you know

386
00:21:55,400 --> 00:22:00,879
Speaker 3: black women in this moment, are you are attempting to

387
00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:05,359
Speaker 3: be truth tellers, right, and so when when attempts to

388
00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:09,120
Speaker 3: do that are pushed aside, dismissed, diminished, you.

389
00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:11,960
Speaker 2: Know, treat it with disrespect. That's not acceptable.

390
00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:15,159
Speaker 3: And and by having those kinds of exchanges, you know,

391
00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:17,520
Speaker 3: I get it, you were moving yourself from those kinds

392
00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:20,960
Speaker 3: of exchanges, says you will not participate in the normalization

393
00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:25,200
Speaker 3: of that kind of dynamic. That because if that could

394
00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:29,280
Speaker 3: happen on national television, who else's workplace is that going

395
00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:31,480
Speaker 3: to happen? You know, where people are not seeing, where

396
00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:34,119
Speaker 3: they're not cameras, where people do not have somebody that

397
00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:36,200
Speaker 3: can you know that might you know, put a comment

398
00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:39,119
Speaker 3: on social media saying that is not okay. This is

399
00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:41,840
Speaker 3: what it means. You know, when when when those kinds

400
00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:45,119
Speaker 3: of exchanges are happening on you know, under the rubric

401
00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:49,240
Speaker 3: of of you know, journalism, you know, a journalism program

402
00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:55,800
Speaker 3: like that, that what that reinforces in our society is dangerous.

403
00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:58,280
Speaker 2: I mean, frankly, it is really not acceptable.

404
00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:00,800
Speaker 1: It is dangerous. And it's also so to your point,

405
00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:03,560
Speaker 1: if we normalize it, if we make it okay, then

406
00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:06,120
Speaker 1: that will happen in other places. But here's the thing.

407
00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:10,200
Speaker 1: I have seen so many of our peers push back,

408
00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:14,600
Speaker 1: fight back, and I don't know if it's I don't

409
00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:17,359
Speaker 1: know if the squeeze is worth the juice. I mean,

410
00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:20,719
Speaker 1: I don't know what the benefit is to sit on

411
00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:23,680
Speaker 1: television and argue with someone who, when it's all said

412
00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:26,480
Speaker 1: and done, and if this also passes, will not be

413
00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:29,520
Speaker 1: treated differently. He will still be able to move on

414
00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:32,040
Speaker 1: with his life and live perfectly. And I just don't

415
00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:35,080
Speaker 1: know if we will have that same grace if we

416
00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:37,960
Speaker 1: decide to sling mud and behave the same way.

417
00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:41,399
Speaker 3: Well, but again, I mean, I don't think it's about

418
00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:44,080
Speaker 3: You are not somebody. I not one time have I

419
00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:46,359
Speaker 3: ever seen you getting down in the mud, getting in

420
00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:47,280
Speaker 3: the gut, or with anyone.

421
00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:49,120
Speaker 2: I'm afraid to just just.

422
00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:51,919
Speaker 3: To you are still trying to conduct yourself with integrity

423
00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:53,159
Speaker 3: and professionalism.

424
00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:53,920
Speaker 2: And here's the thing.

425
00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:57,159
Speaker 3: You do it because the truth still matters, Like the

426
00:23:57,240 --> 00:23:58,640
Speaker 3: truth has to still matter.

427
00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:00,800
Speaker 2: And this is not just for us. You don't know.

428
00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:04,600
Speaker 3: Who is watching, who is seeing you as that example

429
00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:08,520
Speaker 3: of truth and integrity and professionalism. That is, you don't

430
00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:10,120
Speaker 3: know how that is going to land with somebody who

431
00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:12,360
Speaker 3: does not have the ability to do that where they

432
00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:15,760
Speaker 3: work or in their community or what you know, you doing,

433
00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:19,040
Speaker 3: you being that voice, the voice that maybe somebody else

434
00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:22,520
Speaker 3: doesn't have. That's why it matters. We don't you know,

435
00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:24,280
Speaker 3: we know who we do this for. And that's the

436
00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:25,840
Speaker 3: thing that we have to keep in mind. We know

437
00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:29,040
Speaker 3: who we are doing this for, people who are as

438
00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:33,359
Speaker 3: committed to the truth and to what is right, whether

439
00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:35,480
Speaker 3: that is you know, folks in our own community or

440
00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:39,119
Speaker 3: folks who are allies like, the truth has to matter.

441
00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:41,840
Speaker 2: It has to matter in a democracy, in a world

442
00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:42,680
Speaker 2: with a free press.

443
00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:45,639
Speaker 1: Let me tell you something, Madam President. What you just

444
00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:49,720
Speaker 1: said soothed me. The truth still matters. I got a

445
00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:53,919
Speaker 1: little distracted being a disruptor. I literally went off the

446
00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:57,480
Speaker 1: trail that will take me back to the reason why

447
00:24:57,560 --> 00:25:01,199
Speaker 1: I wanted. What is my why? Why is the truth

448
00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:02,280
Speaker 1: still matters?

449
00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:05,600
Speaker 3: Yes, and it's gonna matter, and it's gonna matter to

450
00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:07,640
Speaker 3: somebody out there. And you you are going to reach

451
00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:11,040
Speaker 3: somebody for whoever else is not listening or who wants

452
00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:13,680
Speaker 3: to dismiss or or try to diminish what you are saying.

453
00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:16,520
Speaker 3: You you are getting through to somebody that is watching

454
00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:20,960
Speaker 3: that program in that moment, on that night. What you

455
00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:22,800
Speaker 3: say is going to get through to them and they

456
00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:24,840
Speaker 3: are gonna feel like they are not crazy.

457
00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:27,160
Speaker 1: Right, You're no, You're right. I see it. I walk

458
00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:29,360
Speaker 1: down the street. I was down the street the other day.

459
00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:31,160
Speaker 1: Wanna walks up to me and says, let me tell

460
00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:33,000
Speaker 1: you something, thank you, And I was like, you got it,

461
00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:36,600
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. But right with that being said,

462
00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:43,480
Speaker 1: I feel like your role already comes with a huge responsibility,

463
00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:48,440
Speaker 1: but there is this extra weight. Last year when Donald

464
00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:52,560
Speaker 1: Trump went to NABJ went to the NABJ convention, there

465
00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:56,320
Speaker 1: was so much pushback in terms of people who were

466
00:25:56,320 --> 00:26:00,359
Speaker 1: members or not members, dues, not paid, but still a

467
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:03,359
Speaker 1: part considers themselves a part of the order of referring

468
00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:08,399
Speaker 1: to myself, still considers themselves apparent. Yeah, now current, my

469
00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:10,760
Speaker 1: ds are my dus have to be current because my

470
00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:14,040
Speaker 1: girlfriend said do it. My girl said do it. But

471
00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:16,960
Speaker 1: but there was so much backlash and over the years

472
00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:19,600
Speaker 1: when people that we've known been have been in trouble,

473
00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:24,520
Speaker 1: myself included, we felt like, and ABJ, while we love

474
00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:28,000
Speaker 1: the we love the organization, and we love the advocacy

475
00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:31,520
Speaker 1: that is there, provided there needed to be more. Is

476
00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:34,680
Speaker 1: there a plan that you have in place. When when

477
00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:38,560
Speaker 1: you see journalists like our good friend Joy Read creating

478
00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:42,080
Speaker 1: her own, Don Lemon creating his own, we're seeing legacy

479
00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:46,199
Speaker 1: media moving into a space that will allow them to

480
00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:48,680
Speaker 1: speak truth to power and they answer to no one,

481
00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:51,720
Speaker 1: but they also need to be paid and they're trying

482
00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:54,440
Speaker 1: to create something that allows them to do their job

483
00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:56,359
Speaker 1: and survive in this society.

484
00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:58,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and I mean, and I think that that

485
00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:01,760
Speaker 3: is also the role of an abja. And that's also

486
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:04,920
Speaker 3: part of what advocacy means. To be celebrating and championing

487
00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:07,919
Speaker 3: the work that our journalists are doing, those of us

488
00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:10,439
Speaker 3: who are speaking truth to power and who are doing

489
00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:15,000
Speaker 3: that boldly on these independent platforms that we need our

490
00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:18,480
Speaker 3: folks to be supporting, right, but like helping people to

491
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:21,399
Speaker 3: know these are the trusted messengers that you can go

492
00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:25,200
Speaker 3: to you don't have, you know, if you are feeling like,

493
00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:28,919
Speaker 3: you know, the traditional legacy media companies are not representing you.

494
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:31,280
Speaker 3: This is literally why I helped to start the nineteenth

495
00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:34,040
Speaker 3: because the status quo was not acceptable to me. We

496
00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:36,639
Speaker 3: needed to disrupt how political journalism was being done. It

497
00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:39,040
Speaker 3: was still too male and too pale and not telling

498
00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:40,879
Speaker 3: the truth about who and where we were as a country.

499
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:43,879
Speaker 3: So we start a newsroom where we're going to center women,

500
00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:45,760
Speaker 3: We're going to center queer folks, We're going to center

501
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:48,399
Speaker 3: black and brown folks. The work that folks like you,

502
00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:52,360
Speaker 3: folks like Joy, folks like don are doing night after night,

503
00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:54,920
Speaker 3: whether it's on sub stack or whether it's on YouTube,

504
00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:57,840
Speaker 3: whether it's here on iHeart like, that work matters. And

505
00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:00,359
Speaker 3: we have to tell our people if this is if

506
00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:04,040
Speaker 3: you're looking for for journalism and media that speaks to

507
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:05,639
Speaker 3: you like, you have to support that.

508
00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:07,159
Speaker 2: You have to support it.

509
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:10,119
Speaker 3: And so you know, just if you've got money for

510
00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:13,280
Speaker 3: a latte that you know that's a subset subscription that

511
00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:15,439
Speaker 3: you can be you know, it costs nothing to hit

512
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:18,119
Speaker 3: that subscribe button you know on YouTube to help somebody

513
00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:20,200
Speaker 3: get some revenue. And also to say this is the

514
00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:22,320
Speaker 3: kind of journalism that I want, This is the kind

515
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:25,080
Speaker 3: of journalism that I value. We have seen black women

516
00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:26,879
Speaker 3: already this year speaking with their wallets.

517
00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:28,800
Speaker 2: Look at this target boycott. Right.

518
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:31,000
Speaker 3: We know that we can speak with our wallets and

519
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:34,280
Speaker 3: make our voices heard about what is important to us.

520
00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:35,200
Speaker 2: And what we value.

521
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:39,480
Speaker 3: So like, why shouldn't that also be black journalists journalists earnalism.

522
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:46,640
Speaker 1: I wonder is there a call to action? Meaning there

523
00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:49,160
Speaker 1: are so many journalists I know now friends that we

524
00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:51,360
Speaker 1: have are like, well, what's next? What do we do?

525
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:57,280
Speaker 1: We don't feel safe at our network currently, and we

526
00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:01,600
Speaker 1: also know that if we if we tell too much truth,

527
00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:05,440
Speaker 1: that that could mean we don't have a job. We

528
00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:09,120
Speaker 1: absolutely and we saw that happen. And I'm all reference Joy.

529
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:11,320
Speaker 1: We know that Joy Show, for no reason in the

530
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:14,600
Speaker 1: world should have been canceled. She was winning in the ratings.

531
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:18,160
Speaker 1: She's a fan favorite, she is an excellent journalist, but

532
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:22,120
Speaker 1: there were things that she was refusing to ignore. She

533
00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:25,360
Speaker 1: was doing her job, and if it was all said

534
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:28,600
Speaker 1: and done, it appears on the outside she was let

535
00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:32,120
Speaker 1: go because it made people uncomfortable. It made people feel

536
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:34,040
Speaker 1: like they didn't want to hear what she had to say.

537
00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:37,520
Speaker 1: It reminded people that they weren't speaking truth to power

538
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:40,800
Speaker 1: and they were ignoring it. What do we What does

539
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:42,840
Speaker 1: NABJ do in that case?

540
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:43,760
Speaker 2: Yeah?

541
00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:47,720
Speaker 3: I mean, look, I think strength in numbers matters, especially now,

542
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:50,720
Speaker 3: and like I said, ANABJ is already an organization that

543
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:52,840
Speaker 3: is four thousand strong, but we know that there are

544
00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:56,440
Speaker 3: more people out there. I'm inviting listeners, I'm inviting journalists.

545
00:29:56,440 --> 00:30:01,600
Speaker 3: I'm inviting our allies, anybody that supports journalism, that supports journalism,

546
00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:05,320
Speaker 3: the truth our democracy really to join in ABYDA to

547
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:06,640
Speaker 3: support our mission.

548
00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:07,720
Speaker 2: We are going.

549
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:11,040
Speaker 3: We just came from our fiftieth anniversary convention in Cleveland.

550
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:14,720
Speaker 3: Next year we are headed to Atlanta over lit.

551
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:17,920
Speaker 2: Do I even need to say more? I know we'll

552
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:19,720
Speaker 2: be in that. I will. I will.

553
00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:21,840
Speaker 3: It's not but this is not just going to be

554
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:23,960
Speaker 3: a celebration, right, It is going to be a strategy

555
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:26,560
Speaker 3: session for our next fifty years. And just for people

556
00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:28,520
Speaker 3: who don't realize, I mean in MBJA is more than

557
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:31,840
Speaker 3: a professional association. If you've seen the highlights on Instagram,

558
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:34,200
Speaker 3: it's not just a party. This is a lifeline. This

559
00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:37,680
Speaker 3: is an amplifier, it's a protector. It's a professional development association.

560
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:41,400
Speaker 3: And our members work really does shape the narrative for

561
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:43,840
Speaker 3: this country and it ensures that the record in our

562
00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:47,080
Speaker 3: community is accurate and complete. So if you believe in that,

563
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:50,520
Speaker 3: stand with us, because we stand for you each and

564
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:54,120
Speaker 3: every day on every nightly newscasts that you see on

565
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:57,280
Speaker 3: every local news broadcast, in your newspaper, in your local

566
00:30:57,320 --> 00:31:00,760
Speaker 3: newspaper on your local radio station. Like, blackjournalists are here

567
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:03,080
Speaker 3: and they're here for you, so please be here for us.

568
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:07,320
Speaker 1: Amen. Okay, so can you tell us specifically what are

569
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:10,680
Speaker 1: the requirements to join in terms of profession. I know

570
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:13,840
Speaker 1: that we have a collegiate any.

571
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:17,160
Speaker 3: Yes, we have full members, you know, full full time

572
00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:21,600
Speaker 3: working journalists. We have freelancers. We have associate members, people

573
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:24,920
Speaker 3: who might be you know, practicing public relations or other

574
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:28,080
Speaker 3: types of media. We have members of you know, academia

575
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:31,520
Speaker 3: if you are teaching journalism or journalism related, you know,

576
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:33,120
Speaker 3: majors that would include you.

577
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:34,880
Speaker 2: We have student journalists.

578
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:38,520
Speaker 3: Are the really the lifeblood of the future of our organization.

579
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:40,920
Speaker 3: You can join that. That's how I started. I started

580
00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:43,800
Speaker 3: when I was a student in NABJ in Atlanta. I

581
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:47,120
Speaker 3: joined a student chapter. So like, there are different tiers

582
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:50,080
Speaker 3: of membership. But if you just go to nab NABJ

583
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:53,160
Speaker 3: dot org, look for that membership link and we will

584
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:55,960
Speaker 3: do the rest. But yes, you could be an associate member.

585
00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:57,760
Speaker 3: You do not, by the way, have to be a

586
00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:00,560
Speaker 3: black person. My CEO at the night, who was a

587
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:03,200
Speaker 3: white woman, joined NABJ the day that I told her

588
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:04,280
Speaker 3: that I was running for president.

589
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:07,160
Speaker 2: So we welcome, we welcome.

590
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:10,800
Speaker 3: Allies, supporters of the work that we are doing, and

591
00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:13,920
Speaker 3: the people who are doing this work join us, stand

592
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:16,640
Speaker 3: with us. We so appreciate that, and headed into our

593
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 3: next fifty years, we're gonna need everybody.

594
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:19,600
Speaker 2: We're gonna need everybody.

595
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:23,720
Speaker 1: What would you say is in terms of the number

596
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:25,600
Speaker 1: one thing on your agenda? Gosh, there could be so

597
00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:28,680
Speaker 1: much on your agenda. I know there is, right, what's

598
00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:31,200
Speaker 1: one of the way. When it's all said and done

599
00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:34,240
Speaker 1: and Madam President is moving on to a different position

600
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:38,800
Speaker 1: and handing over the reins, what is it that you

601
00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:42,080
Speaker 1: would like to focus on primarily in your presidency?

602
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I just I want to be the

603
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:51,000
Speaker 3: same bold, visionary voice for this generation that our founders

604
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:53,680
Speaker 3: were when we started in nineteen seventy five. I mean, look,

605
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:56,200
Speaker 3: even though we don't look like it, we've been around

606
00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:58,920
Speaker 3: this industry long enough to know, like, there are moments

607
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:01,280
Speaker 3: in your career that you never forget get. For me,

608
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:04,120
Speaker 3: being elected the twenty fourth president of NABJ was one

609
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 3: of those moments. I hope that my last day as president,

610
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:10,440
Speaker 3: whenever that is, will also be one of those moments

611
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:13,680
Speaker 3: because I want to know that I rose to the

612
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:16,960
Speaker 3: occasion and I met the moment in our democracy and

613
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:20,280
Speaker 3: our profession, and you know, for the fight for truth

614
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:24,200
Speaker 3: and equity and representation. So I mean, of all the

615
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:27,200
Speaker 3: things that I've done, I can honestly say that even

616
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:29,160
Speaker 3: though you know, it's been less than a week since

617
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:33,400
Speaker 3: my election, but this, this is truly, especially in nabja's

618
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:36,200
Speaker 3: fiftieth anniversary year, this is the honor of my career.

619
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:38,840
Speaker 3: So I just hope to be worthy of our founders.

620
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:41,800
Speaker 3: I hope to be worthy of this moment in our profession,

621
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:43,560
Speaker 3: and I hope to be worthy of all of our

622
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:46,360
Speaker 3: members because they are out here on the front lines

623
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:50,520
Speaker 3: every single day fighting for these jobs, fighting for these stories,

624
00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:51,720
Speaker 3: and fighting for all of you.

625
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:55,400
Speaker 1: When you were at the convention was just ended last week,

626
00:33:56,680 --> 00:34:00,240
Speaker 1: what what were the concerns that you heard the most?

627
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:04,120
Speaker 1: What did the journalists talk to you about? What did

628
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:06,360
Speaker 1: they inquire about? What did they need help with?

629
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:11,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I think three main things. One were

630
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:15,320
Speaker 3: they going to have a job? You know, these layoffs

631
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:18,400
Speaker 3: people were getting laid off as we were at the convention,

632
00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:21,560
Speaker 3: in some cases from some of these media companies. That

633
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:26,319
Speaker 3: was jarring, and that just made things that much more

634
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:28,720
Speaker 3: real and that much more urgent. How are we getting

635
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:33,239
Speaker 3: our folks ready for this new media landscape setting them

636
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:36,240
Speaker 3: up to be able to stay in this profession, whether

637
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:38,640
Speaker 3: it is you know, at a media outlet or striking

638
00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:40,960
Speaker 3: out on their own and doing something different. If they

639
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:42,560
Speaker 3: weren't worried about whether or not they were going to

640
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:44,520
Speaker 3: have a job, it was how to do their job

641
00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 3: safely in this climate.

642
00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:48,439
Speaker 2: Right, Black journalists want to.

643
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:51,600
Speaker 3: Tell stories, but how can they do that safely with

644
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 3: the threat of DEI kind of looming over everything that

645
00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:58,960
Speaker 3: so many institutions in our society, including the media. Right,

646
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:03,280
Speaker 3: they're trying to figure out how to navigate this new landscape,

647
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:07,040
Speaker 3: but also looking to be affirmed like hearing that being

648
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:09,600
Speaker 3: able to be at NABJ and to have your colleagues,

649
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:12,280
Speaker 3: whether they're in your newsroom or in some other newsroom

650
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:15,160
Speaker 3: across the country, to say your stories matter, that story

651
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:15,760
Speaker 3: you did matters.

652
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:16,480
Speaker 2: That were celebrating.

653
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:18,959
Speaker 3: We had an Awards gale that was beautiful, so many

654
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:21,560
Speaker 3: rich stories from across the country being celebrated.

655
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:22,560
Speaker 2: That matters.

656
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 3: That is the thing that recharges and renews people and

657
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:27,920
Speaker 3: gives them that armor to go back out into the

658
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:30,800
Speaker 3: world and do this work. And I think the last

659
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:33,759
Speaker 3: thing is, you know, what are the skills that I

660
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:37,359
Speaker 3: need to be able to do this right, NABJ. If

661
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:39,480
Speaker 3: anybody is going to have my back, that can't just

662
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:42,320
Speaker 3: mean advocacy. It's also it has to mean the professional

663
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:45,640
Speaker 3: development that I need. If somebody wants to start a podcast,

664
00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:49,080
Speaker 3: if somebody's thinking about starting that newsletter, if somebody says,

665
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 3: you know, maybe I want to do a show on YouTube,

666
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:52,440
Speaker 3: but I don't really know how to do that, how

667
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:54,160
Speaker 3: can I get started? If we are not giving them

668
00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:57,000
Speaker 3: the tools to empower them to do that, to strike.

669
00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:57,439
Speaker 2: Out on their own.

670
00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:00,440
Speaker 3: Some of these people have huge followings already or they

671
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:03,640
Speaker 3: can build one right if they have the tools that

672
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:06,680
Speaker 3: they need. They're not necessarily going to get that from

673
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:08,759
Speaker 3: you know, where they are now. They may not necessarily

674
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:10,640
Speaker 3: know the right people to go out and strike out

675
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:13,560
Speaker 3: on their own, but they know NABJ, and so NABJ

676
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:16,000
Speaker 3: has to be there for them to help them to

677
00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:17,799
Speaker 3: get those two. So many people said, you know, I'm

678
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:20,040
Speaker 3: thinking about this, but I don't really know how would

679
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:23,040
Speaker 3: I get started with something like that. NABJ has to

680
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:24,560
Speaker 3: have an answer for them when they show up the

681
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:28,440
Speaker 3: content creators, right, combining that with the craft.

682
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:29,800
Speaker 2: That's how we're going to get these folks ready for

683
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:30,520
Speaker 2: the newsrooms.

684
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:34,080
Speaker 3: Well not even just the newsrooms, but just the news landscape,

685
00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:37,040
Speaker 3: the media landscape that we all find ourselves in right now.

686
00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:40,640
Speaker 1: When you talk about content creators working with people who

687
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:43,520
Speaker 1: are not necessary or who are trained journalists in a

688
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:46,520
Speaker 1: different way, I think the marriage of the two is

689
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:50,480
Speaker 1: the new birth of journalism. Would you say legacy media

690
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:54,400
Speaker 1: is no longer valuable or is it being used differently?

691
00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:58,240
Speaker 3: I think that it's evolving, right, I mean it doesn't

692
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:01,960
Speaker 3: look like it looked before. You have entities like the

693
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:04,440
Speaker 3: Times of the Posts that understand, you know, we need

694
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:08,040
Speaker 3: to lean into video, right, They're standing up podcasts, you know,

695
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:10,040
Speaker 3: all over the place they need. They are trying to

696
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:12,080
Speaker 3: meet audiences where they are. We think about how we

697
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:15,040
Speaker 3: consume news. I mean, we're doing so much on here,

698
00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:18,400
Speaker 3: so like we have to figure out how are we

699
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:20,480
Speaker 3: going to meet people where they are. People are not

700
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:23,040
Speaker 3: sitting down having dinner as a group and watching the

701
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:26,359
Speaker 3: six o'clock news like that is over, right, But are

702
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:29,520
Speaker 3: they still streaming the news on their phones when natural

703
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:32,960
Speaker 3: disasters happen or something, you know, some national crisis happens

704
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:36,200
Speaker 3: or some local crisis happens. They know that they need

705
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:38,120
Speaker 3: the news to tell them what is going on and

706
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:40,520
Speaker 3: what is happening. And so it's not that the news

707
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:43,640
Speaker 3: doesn't still matter. It absolutely matters. But what we have

708
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:47,360
Speaker 3: to figure out. The journalism has always evolved, you know

709
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:52,399
Speaker 3: what I mean, whether that was you know, newspapers, radio, television,

710
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:57,480
Speaker 3: the internet now, AI like, this profession has always evolved.

711
00:37:57,560 --> 00:37:59,440
Speaker 3: We just have to make sure that we are evolving

712
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:01,880
Speaker 3: with it and that we are shaping it just as

713
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:02,960
Speaker 3: message is shaping us.

714
00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:07,000
Speaker 1: That's that's very eloquent and arguably a huge task because

715
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:08,840
Speaker 1: you know, there are so many people who are coming

716
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:11,200
Speaker 1: in to this same content create you want me to

717
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:14,480
Speaker 1: and I'm in the middle now, I'm the middle.

718
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:16,759
Speaker 3: Child of it all, I know. But we have got

719
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:19,440
Speaker 3: I mean, look, we cannot be we certainly. I have

720
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:22,600
Speaker 3: so much respect for the craft. You and I came

721
00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:24,960
Speaker 3: up in the craft. We know how to do this.

722
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:28,840
Speaker 3: We're trusted messengers in part because we are trained to

723
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:30,680
Speaker 3: do what we do. But we also have to stop

724
00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:33,480
Speaker 3: being so precious about the idea. There's a reason why

725
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:36,040
Speaker 3: some people are trusted messengers, right, and they can be

726
00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:39,040
Speaker 3: telling the truth even if they are not doing it

727
00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:41,440
Speaker 3: in the tradition that we came up in. So not

728
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 3: only do they have things to learn from us, but

729
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:48,200
Speaker 3: we have things to learn from them about making connection

730
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:50,719
Speaker 3: and being in relationship with an audience.

731
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:51,000
Speaker 2: Right.

732
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:54,719
Speaker 3: Like I came from a print background, our profession, we

733
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:56,920
Speaker 3: did not you know, we thought you know, oh, we

734
00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:58,960
Speaker 3: know best. We'll tell you what's going on. We don't

735
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:01,400
Speaker 3: have to explain to you how we are doing what

736
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:06,080
Speaker 3: we do. No, Like audiences expect transparency. They want you

737
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:08,360
Speaker 3: to earn their trust. They don't just expect that trust

738
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:09,799
Speaker 3: is going to be a given because you work at

739
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:11,920
Speaker 3: a certain place, or because you've been doing something for

740
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:14,239
Speaker 3: you know, a certain amount of time. Like, No, the

741
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:16,120
Speaker 3: idea that we don't go out and earn these people's

742
00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:18,279
Speaker 3: trust each and every single day. Like in this day

743
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:20,920
Speaker 3: and age, with missing disinformation being what it is, with

744
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:24,840
Speaker 3: people being so skeptical of all institutions, including journalism, we

745
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:27,400
Speaker 3: cannot afford to continue to act like we acted, you

746
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:28,920
Speaker 3: know when we first got into this business.

747
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:31,799
Speaker 1: Well, we cannot afford to continue to act that way.

748
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:33,719
Speaker 1: But tell me what that looks like if we can't

749
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:36,880
Speaker 1: afford to act that way, that means that we have

750
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:38,879
Speaker 1: to still earn the trust and not just assume we're

751
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:42,279
Speaker 1: going to have the trust just because we're on CNN

752
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:45,120
Speaker 1: if you will, or MSNBC, if you will. We still

753
00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:47,760
Speaker 1: have to earn that trust.

754
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:52,160
Speaker 3: Absolutely by being consistent, by being in relationship with our audiences,

755
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:54,480
Speaker 3: by meeting them where they are, by not just expecting

756
00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:55,640
Speaker 3: them to find us.

757
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:58,480
Speaker 2: Right. You know, thank you very much for.

758
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:00,879
Speaker 3: Everybody that's coming to nineteenth News, But like, I don't

759
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:03,440
Speaker 3: assume everybody's coming to the homepage, right, So, let me

760
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:06,399
Speaker 3: get on Instagram, Let me get on TikTok and tell

761
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:08,080
Speaker 3: you about the column that I just wrote or the

762
00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:09,600
Speaker 3: podcast episode.

763
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:10,240
Speaker 2: You know that I just dropped.

764
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:12,200
Speaker 3: Like, I want you to be able to find me,

765
00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:13,680
Speaker 3: but I don't expect you to be able to do

766
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:16,239
Speaker 3: that by yourself. In this crowded landscape where there's so

767
00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:19,760
Speaker 3: much information, and I love that people are so interested

768
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:22,120
Speaker 3: in what is happening in our country right now, but

769
00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:25,320
Speaker 3: not all information is good information, and everything is not

770
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:28,560
Speaker 3: breaking through. We know that information, especially about the kinds

771
00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:30,840
Speaker 3: of stuff that we talk about, is being suppressed on

772
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:33,560
Speaker 3: these platforms, right, so we have to go out and

773
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:35,200
Speaker 3: find these people, and we have to go out and

774
00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:38,240
Speaker 3: make the case that we are you know, they should

775
00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:40,400
Speaker 3: be seeking us out right because we are giving them

776
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:42,799
Speaker 3: trusted information. That is the information that they need to

777
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:45,400
Speaker 3: know that makes them feel seen and heard in this country.

778
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:48,759
Speaker 1: Here's what's interesting when you point out that these platforms,

779
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:54,080
Speaker 1: whether it be Instagram, Facebook, I'm not on Facebook, but TikTok,

780
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:56,160
Speaker 1: you know that the information that we are putting out

781
00:40:56,280 --> 00:41:00,440
Speaker 1: is being suppressed. How does how does an organization like

782
00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:05,120
Speaker 1: in ABJ battle that. How do you respond to that?

783
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:07,040
Speaker 1: Because that's a real thing.

784
00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:07,960
Speaker 2: It is a real thing.

785
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:11,759
Speaker 3: And again, strength in numbers like amplifying the work that

786
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:15,080
Speaker 3: we are doing. You know, Carrie, you sharing, you know

787
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:18,200
Speaker 3: when I write a column or me sharing you know this,

788
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:21,840
Speaker 3: you know your latest podcast episode or or the clip

789
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:23,920
Speaker 3: that you had on CNN where you were speaking truths

790
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:26,360
Speaker 3: to power on air, Like that stuff matters.

791
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:28,840
Speaker 2: As many of us that can do that for each.

792
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:32,960
Speaker 3: Other, right that that amplification is what can help us

793
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:36,360
Speaker 3: push through even when that algorithm is trying to suppress us.

794
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:39,359
Speaker 3: So you know, when when when we think about what

795
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:41,840
Speaker 3: we are sharing, but also when we think about what

796
00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:44,000
Speaker 3: we are posting and asking other people to share, like

797
00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:46,440
Speaker 3: we can't be you know, shy about that kind of stuff.

798
00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:49,759
Speaker 1: Share this, you know we should be yes.

799
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:51,120
Speaker 3: To say, oh, you know, if you don't mind share,

800
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:53,920
Speaker 3: no share it. I'm asking everybody if you see it,

801
00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:54,560
Speaker 3: share it.

802
00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:58,640
Speaker 1: I repost, repost, do that. But I do that a lot,

803
00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:00,440
Speaker 1: especially when you were running. I do that a lot,

804
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:02,839
Speaker 1: just because one more time, let's just do it. You're

805
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:03,719
Speaker 1: absolutely right.

806
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:06,680
Speaker 2: We fact what helps push this through. It really does that.

807
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:08,640
Speaker 3: It gets that message to I will see yourself that

808
00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:11,799
Speaker 3: much more often if other people are sharing it.

809
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:20,240
Speaker 1: I want to share a real emotion that I feel

810
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:24,360
Speaker 1: about where we are and what I have noticed and watched.

811
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:32,799
Speaker 1: We've touched on it, but the idea that that what

812
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:36,680
Speaker 1: we do for a living, right or what we've worked at,

813
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:38,800
Speaker 1: and we've been very precious about it because there's a

814
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:40,480
Speaker 1: group of us we're very precious. Like no, I'm a

815
00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:42,279
Speaker 1: journalist and I don't do and it has to be

816
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:45,960
Speaker 1: perfect those that day and age is over. But I

817
00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:48,839
Speaker 1: have heard from so many of my mentees. I've heard

818
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:51,600
Speaker 1: from so many people who are in our business who say,

819
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:59,040
Speaker 1: I'm tired, I'm exhausted, and we want someone to come

820
00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:02,000
Speaker 1: in and save the day, and or we want some

821
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:05,840
Speaker 1: sort of change with this administration, and or some people

822
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:08,359
Speaker 1: to come and say, here's a bunch of money, we're

823
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:10,479
Speaker 1: gonna help you fix it. Here's a there's a bunch

824
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:13,000
Speaker 1: of resources, We're gonna help you fix it. That doesn't

825
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:15,480
Speaker 1: seem to be good, that doesn't seem to be the case. Now,

826
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:19,400
Speaker 1: our good friend Jamel Hill describe this as wartime journalism.

827
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:20,880
Speaker 1: She said, this is when we should be able to

828
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:22,160
Speaker 1: see some of the best, and we may see some

829
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:26,359
Speaker 1: of the worst. How do you tell us to get

830
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:28,840
Speaker 1: through wartime journalism? And I'm not asking you to have

831
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:30,880
Speaker 1: all the answers. You can't you just I'm not saying

832
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:33,480
Speaker 1: save the world erin. But there are people like I

833
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:35,960
Speaker 1: don't know how to do wartime journalism. Do we go

834
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:38,439
Speaker 1: to NYBJ and find resources to do it? There will

835
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:39,920
Speaker 1: there be resources there.

836
00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:45,200
Speaker 3: You know. You know what's there is is our resilience

837
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:48,799
Speaker 3: and the reminder of who we are. I mean, the

838
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:53,320
Speaker 3: thing about wartime journalism is you really have to ask yourself.

839
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:56,279
Speaker 3: I mean, there's so many people that I can think of.

840
00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:58,799
Speaker 3: When I started this work, I was covering kind of

841
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:01,800
Speaker 3: the vestiges of racism, and I thought, the last gasp

842
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:04,480
Speaker 3: of racism and the gains of the civil rights movement,

843
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:06,359
Speaker 3: that is not what I cover now, right Like I'm

844
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:09,880
Speaker 3: covering this backlash. I'm covering this retrenchment of so much

845
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:12,960
Speaker 3: that is moving our country in the wrong direction. And

846
00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:18,319
Speaker 3: you know that can be discouraging, that can be frustrating, right,

847
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:21,920
Speaker 3: But the good news is is that we belong to

848
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:25,799
Speaker 3: an organization where we have founders who we can see

849
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:28,000
Speaker 3: and who we can touch, who did this work before

850
00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:30,440
Speaker 3: us at stakes that were much higher than ours, at

851
00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:32,080
Speaker 3: risks that were much higher than a lot of the

852
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:33,600
Speaker 3: risks that some of us face today.

853
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:35,160
Speaker 2: We can ask them what was it?

854
00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:35,319
Speaker 1: Like?

855
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:37,239
Speaker 3: We don't have to ask what would we do in

856
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:39,600
Speaker 3: this moment? We are in this moment right what would

857
00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:41,120
Speaker 3: we have done during the civil rights movement?

858
00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:42,000
Speaker 2: What would we have done?

859
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:44,959
Speaker 3: You know, if we were if we were in Io

860
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:47,000
Speaker 3: b Wells, Like, we don't have to ask that we

861
00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:50,799
Speaker 3: are in a moment of huge consequence for our democracy.

862
00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:53,720
Speaker 2: We are writing the first draft of history right.

863
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:55,680
Speaker 3: Now, and the people that come along one hundred years

864
00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:57,080
Speaker 3: from now, they're going to be reading the work that

865
00:44:57,120 --> 00:44:59,360
Speaker 3: we did. They're going to be watching the covers that

866
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:01,719
Speaker 3: we did about out this moment, and if we told

867
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:05,080
Speaker 3: the truth in this moment, and so that is something

868
00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:06,400
Speaker 3: that requires courage.

869
00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:07,560
Speaker 2: And so what.

870
00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:14,319
Speaker 3: At doing wartime journalism is to understand that it is

871
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:16,040
Speaker 3: going to take courage in this moment, and we have

872
00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:18,640
Speaker 3: to ask ourselves what we're willing to sacrifice for courage

873
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:21,600
Speaker 3: as huge as an opportunity.

874
00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:23,880
Speaker 2: As this role is.

875
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:27,680
Speaker 3: As an abja's president, like I understand, there are consequences, right,

876
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:31,560
Speaker 3: there are consequences to speaking truth to power in this moment,

877
00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:34,920
Speaker 3: but the consequences of being silent. Being silent does not

878
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:38,480
Speaker 3: keep you from being a target. And we do this

879
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:41,719
Speaker 3: not only in the spirit of our founders, but of

880
00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:46,000
Speaker 3: our ancestors, Like this is what we do as black journalists,

881
00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:50,240
Speaker 3: as black people. We try to right wrongs, we afflict

882
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:53,799
Speaker 3: the comfortable. These are the cornerstones of journalism. And so

883
00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:57,520
Speaker 3: for us to do anything less in this moment is

884
00:45:57,880 --> 00:46:01,560
Speaker 3: really to advocate our response ability to this profession and

885
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:02,600
Speaker 3: to our people.

886
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:06,360
Speaker 1: That was beautiful, Aaron Haynes. Last, but not least, I

887
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:08,440
Speaker 1: like to always say this to people who are listening.

888
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:10,759
Speaker 1: I want people to understand that they don't need a

889
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:14,319
Speaker 1: huge platform to be an advocate and or to have

890
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:17,800
Speaker 1: courage and or to affect change. They don't have to

891
00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:19,160
Speaker 1: be in front of the camera. They don't have to

892
00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:21,600
Speaker 1: write for the nineteenth, they don't have to be the

893
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:25,640
Speaker 1: president of NABJ. But what they can do is have courage,

894
00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:29,439
Speaker 1: and everyone can do it. It may not look look

895
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:31,279
Speaker 1: like how you were doing it or how I am

896
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:36,719
Speaker 1: doing it. It may look like I'm boycotting a certain outlet,

897
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:40,879
Speaker 1: I am no longer watching this program, I am going

898
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:45,400
Speaker 1: to donate to this particular group. It all looks it.

899
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:48,200
Speaker 1: We can all still be advocates. We can all do

900
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:50,319
Speaker 1: it in different ways. I don't want anyone to feel

901
00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:55,759
Speaker 1: limited by this conversation, but I do believe if I

902
00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:58,439
Speaker 1: had one thing to ask you before we let you go,

903
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:06,320
Speaker 1: how would you encourage anyone listening and well aware of

904
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:08,399
Speaker 1: what's going on in our society and while they may

905
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:11,719
Speaker 1: be on the journalism adjacent and they want to know

906
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:14,040
Speaker 1: how they can help. What what what words of encouragement

907
00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:14,560
Speaker 1: would you give?

908
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:19,120
Speaker 3: Words of encouragement or a call to action? Would keep

909
00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:22,239
Speaker 3: I mean, keep showing up as you are in the

910
00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:26,879
Speaker 3: world every single day, right. I mean, it is apparently

911
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:30,440
Speaker 3: a radical act to show up as a black person

912
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:32,319
Speaker 3: in this country right now, as a woman in this

913
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:35,040
Speaker 3: country right now, as a queer person in this country

914
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:38,280
Speaker 3: right anybody but a straight white man in this country

915
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:38,799
Speaker 3: right now.

916
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:40,759
Speaker 2: It is a radical act to show up as who

917
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:41,759
Speaker 2: you are.

918
00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:45,719
Speaker 3: It takes courage to continue to do that and to

919
00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:49,160
Speaker 3: keep your head high and to conduct yourself with integrity.

920
00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:53,240
Speaker 2: So like, if you are doing that, keep going.

921
00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:57,800
Speaker 3: It matters, right And because somebody is seeing that, somebody

922
00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:01,200
Speaker 3: that you don't even know is watching seeing that. And

923
00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:04,080
Speaker 3: I say that especially to my black journalists that are

924
00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:12,040
Speaker 3: doing this work under a tremendously stressful, to say the least, environment.

925
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:15,239
Speaker 3: But for us to continue to tell the truth and

926
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:20,240
Speaker 3: to be a light for democracy in this moment, that matters.

927
00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:22,920
Speaker 3: There's so many different ways though, that all of us

928
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:25,840
Speaker 3: can continue to be, you know, just a thousand points

929
00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:29,120
Speaker 3: a light for this democracy, because that is what is

930
00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:30,960
Speaker 3: going to be required right now. Those of us who

931
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:34,640
Speaker 3: are saying no, we do want to still move forward,

932
00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:38,040
Speaker 3: We do still want to be perfecting this union in

933
00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:38,600
Speaker 3: this moment.

934
00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:39,560
Speaker 2: And what does that look like.

935
00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:43,960
Speaker 3: That looks like a truly representative democracy is that represents

936
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:48,000
Speaker 3: the small, emerging, the emerging, small d democratic majority of

937
00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:48,640
Speaker 3: this country.

938
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:50,359
Speaker 2: Like that, that.

939
00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:52,439
Speaker 3: Is something that can be the collective work of all

940
00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:55,360
Speaker 3: of us, not just me and my platform as the

941
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:58,160
Speaker 3: nineteenth or president in ABJ, not just you, you know,

942
00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:00,440
Speaker 3: hosting this podcast and doing all the things that you do.

943
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:03,200
Speaker 3: But like every single one of us has an obligation

944
00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:06,319
Speaker 3: to contribute to the world that we want to live in,

945
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:08,640
Speaker 3: the world that we want to see, and to reject

946
00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:10,400
Speaker 3: the world that we don't want to live in and

947
00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:11,479
Speaker 3: that we don't want to see.

948
00:49:11,480 --> 00:49:13,880
Speaker 2: That is not free, not fair, and not equal.

949
00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:20,680
Speaker 1: Amen. Amen. Amen. Aaron Haynes Madam, President, National Association of

950
00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:25,000
Speaker 1: Black Journalists. In short, you have encouraged me, so I

951
00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:29,080
Speaker 1: see why you want and I think that's a simple message.

952
00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:32,080
Speaker 1: Be encouraged, stand in your truth, get up every day

953
00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:34,520
Speaker 1: and do what you do because that in itself is

954
00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:37,200
Speaker 1: an act of resistance and we need that. So thank

955
00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:40,160
Speaker 1: you so much for joining me here on Naked Sports,

956
00:49:40,200 --> 00:49:43,759
Speaker 1: where we talk about the intersection of sports, culture and politics.

957
00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:46,239
Speaker 1: We didn't get your sports takes on the WNBA. We

958
00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:48,480
Speaker 1: got to have you back because you know you guys,

959
00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:49,640
Speaker 1: I don't know if you know that you all she

960
00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:51,480
Speaker 1: plays in the WNBA on the side. I don't know

961
00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:52,080
Speaker 1: if anybody knows.

962
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:56,200
Speaker 3: I mean, we're launching stud Bus Part two.

963
00:49:56,280 --> 00:50:03,080
Speaker 1: A SAT that's the joy. I need a SAP. That

964
00:50:03,239 --> 00:50:09,280
Speaker 1: is my They're my th there are my favorite. No, seriously, congratulations,

965
00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:11,520
Speaker 1: my friend. I'm very happy for you. And I am

966
00:50:11,520 --> 00:50:14,759
Speaker 1: not saying this just because my friend. This, this could

967
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:17,480
Speaker 1: not have happened to someone who cares more deeply, someone

968
00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:20,480
Speaker 1: who is truly honest and wants to make sure that

969
00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:23,040
Speaker 1: truth is spoken to said power, and who wants to

970
00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:25,520
Speaker 1: be in the middle of it. You are truly an encouragement.

971
00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:27,160
Speaker 1: So thank you, thank you, thank you for joining me

972
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:27,880
Speaker 1: on the podcast.

973
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:31,440
Speaker 3: Friend, Thank you my sister, and I look forward to

974
00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:33,799
Speaker 3: serving you. I look forward to fighting for you. No

975
00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:37,640
Speaker 3: one fights alone, including you, in this organization and our profession.

976
00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:40,440
Speaker 2: So thank you, thank you, thank you. Thank you to.

977
00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:43,319
Speaker 3: Your listeners, and I know that that they will all

978
00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:44,920
Speaker 3: be supporting in ABJA.

979
00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:46,879
Speaker 2: They listen to everything that you say.

980
00:50:47,080 --> 00:50:54,840
Speaker 1: Hey, Beta, I Beta, Aaron Haynes. Ladies and Gentlemen Naked

981
00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:59,160
Speaker 1: Sports Written and executive produced by Me Carrie Champion, Produced

982
00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:01,960
Speaker 1: by Jock Please Tom Miss Sound designed and mastered by

983
00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:04,560
Speaker 1: Dwayne Crawford. Naked Sports is a part of the Black

984
00:51:04,560 --> 00:51:06,640
Speaker 1: Effect podcast network in iHeartMedia