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Speaker 1: the Bonus with Doug Gottlieb.

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Speaker 2: What Doug got the show in the Bonus, Fox Sports Radio,

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Speaker 2: iHeart Radio app Welcome in. You know, there's a it's

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Speaker 2: interesting we go back to COVID and you know, when

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Speaker 2: people ask me about it all the time, I don't

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Speaker 2: know how you guys show about it. There's a lot

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Speaker 2: that I liked about it. You're like, what, no, I mean,

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Speaker 2: I liked that we had time with our families. You know,

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Speaker 2: it wasn't traffic. It just it gave us a chance

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Speaker 2: to slow down a little bit. All that stuff was fantastic.

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Speaker 2: But coming out of it was Yeah, coming out of

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Speaker 2: it was really really weird. Right coming out of it,

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Speaker 2: a lot of people lost their mind. People have lost

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Speaker 2: their mind of a president Trump. People have lost their

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Speaker 2: mind over COVID. Conspiracy theories are abound. I mean there's

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Speaker 2: still like absolutely crazy conspiracy theories about lots of stuff

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Speaker 2: that took place during COVID, and it's wild. And you know,

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Speaker 2: today it was announced that Howard Shearn's show is no

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Speaker 2: longer going to air on Serious XM. I don't know

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Speaker 2: if he does it anymore. He's seventy one years old,

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Speaker 2: he's got hundreds of millions of dollars in the bank,

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Speaker 2: and there's lots of ways you can look at it,

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Speaker 2: but I don't think anyone in our business on our

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Speaker 2: You may not agree with some of the content or whatever,

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Speaker 2: but the guys literally the most successful successful radio host

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Speaker 2: of all time, I mean, that's it in that genre,

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Speaker 2: an unbelievable interviewer, but I mean COVID made him move

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Speaker 2: I understand a lot of his pushback against the current president, right,

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Speaker 2: it's been incredibly ugly and divisive, and there are lots

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Speaker 2: But whatever happened, he obviously does not like the current president.

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Speaker 2: But the bigger point, though, is that COVID itself, in

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Speaker 2: many ways gave us the chance to take stock to

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Speaker 2: cut out nonsense, to appreciate each other, to appreciate our families,

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Speaker 2: to some people traveled the country. I wish I had

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Speaker 2: done that. On the other hand, on the other hand,

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Speaker 2: some people lost their minds, and I think he kind

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Speaker 1: Be sure to catch live editions of The Doug Gottlieb

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Speaker 2: Let's Get to the Fox Says, and now every day

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Speaker 2: at this time in the Bonus Podcast, to play for

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Speaker 2: you a portion of a previous show Fox Sports Radio,

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Speaker 2: Fox Sports One. We call it what does the fuck?

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Speaker 2: What does the Fox Say? Okay, so heard this earlier today.

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Speaker 2: I thought it was really really good. This is Colin

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Speaker 2: Cowherd talking about Shade or Sanders and the notion that

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Speaker 3: This is now being called sabotage. And this is not

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Speaker 3: just like crazy internet dweeb. It's like network people. It's sabotage.

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Speaker 3: Cleveland doesn't want him to succeed. Okay, let's start with this.

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Speaker 3: Josh Dobbs was acquired by the Minnesota Vikings and had

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Speaker 3: to start and did not get a single practice. Remember

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Speaker 3: that game, didn't get a practice, won the game. Baker

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Speaker 3: Mayfield came to the Rams on a Tuesday, had to

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Speaker 3: he only gets one practice with the Ones, it's sabotage.

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Speaker 3: You've got to be kidding me. Stop pandering, Stop protecting media.

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Speaker 3: The great ones would consider this an amazing opportunity.

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Speaker 2: That's all you can ever hope for. That's all you

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Speaker 2: thank you, Colin. Here's Dan Patrick talking about ESPN getting

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Speaker 5: Everybody's in bed with the NFL. All networks have partnerships here.

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Speaker 5: As far as a conflict of interest, I think that's

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Speaker 5: But the NFL, I'm sure does not want Hey, we

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Speaker 2: be honest, NFL content is king. And oh yeah, by

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Speaker 2: can blame them? Who can blame them? You can do

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Speaker 2: push comes to shove, obviously you're gonna there's gonna be

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Speaker 2: Let's find out who are What's annoying? Jason Stewart.

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Speaker 1: And now it's your annoying.

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Speaker 4: Hey, Doug, I've told you that I love my documentaries

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Speaker 4: and I've done like deep dive and seeing three documentaries

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Speaker 4: What could be the possible reason is because they do

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Speaker 4: Is it to remind them that they I just I

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Speaker 4: can't even think of why? Do you know, could you

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Speaker 4: even think of why? Doug?

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Speaker 2: Why? Because it's funny because they're trying to make fun

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Speaker 4: League copycats too.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think. I also think we had fun with

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Speaker 2: I shouldn't have said that on Twitter? Right, that was hysterical, hysterical.

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Speaker 2: I don't know why, it's it's funny.

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Speaker 6: They arrested one guy in They arrested the guy.

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Speaker 2: What are you in for? Murder? What are you in for?

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Speaker 2: I threw a dildo at a game.

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Speaker 6: They actually charged It was from one of the first incidents,

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Speaker 6: indecent exposure because very exposing people to a sex toy,

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Speaker 6: I guess, and other things. But listen, it was funny

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Speaker 4: Out, yep, I still need to know why.

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Speaker 6: I mean, what else do you think? Because it's juvenile

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Speaker 6: and people do copycat things.

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Speaker 2: the last one. It is juvenile and.

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Speaker 8: I don't even think it's possible to do for real,

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Speaker 4: just can't be excellent at both. The NFL needs you

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Speaker 2: I just see the learning curve going into the D.

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Speaker 4: Travis Hunter told everybody before the draft he's doing both.

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Speaker 2: Of course, of course, again, both sides are bad. It's

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Speaker 2: Why do I.

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Speaker 10: Really love how it pays the way of living like

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Speaker 10: I was getting mine and doing it like right right

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Speaker 2: I was like, I gotta live at this point.

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Speaker 10: I gotta live now so that your brother's back up. Yeah,

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Speaker 10: I already want to hoop. I'll get it in with them,

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Speaker 2: Man, high level conversation right there. Why could I play

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