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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. Well Good Now, number two, Monday Edition,

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Speaker 1: Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. We hope all of you

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Speaker 1: had fantastic weekends. And I had two birthday parties to celebrate.

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Speaker 1: Both of them went well. So I now have a

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Speaker 1: nine year old and a thirteen year old in addition

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Speaker 1: to the fifteen year old. So happy birthday to Lincoln

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Speaker 1: and Nash. We had a good time, went and watched

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Speaker 1: a football game, ran around, had a lot of pizza,

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Speaker 1: a lot of cake, as one would imagine, and that

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Speaker 1: was a lot of fun. Buck. I know you continue

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Speaker 1: to be deep in the weeds of writing your book,

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Speaker 1: which is not as much fun. But this morning I'm

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Speaker 1: reading the Monday edition to Wall Street Journal, and I

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Speaker 1: think this is important because we've been talking about for

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Speaker 1: those of you missed the first hour, Hunter Biden suing

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Speaker 1: the irs. By the way, we're going to be joined

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Speaker 1: by Ovic Roy at one point thirty. He's fantastic, so

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Speaker 1: you can put that on the ray. And Buck, I

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Speaker 1: saw this story and it reminded me of a front

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Speaker 1: page New York Times story that ran I think back

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Speaker 1: in like March or April, and that story front page

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Speaker 1: I believe it was a Sunday edition in New York

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Speaker 1: Times made it known that Joe Biden was unhappy with

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Speaker 1: the progress of Merrick Garland and his Department of Justice

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Speaker 1: as it pertained to investigations of Donald Trump. And shortly

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Speaker 1: thereafter there was the appointment of Jack Smith as the

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Speaker 1: Special counsel and then boom, boom boom, suddenly you get

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Speaker 1: federal charges in both South Florida and in and in DC.

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Speaker 1: And that was not coincidental. It was Joe Biden speaking

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Speaker 1: through the media to his Attorney general in a way

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Speaker 1: that he could not miss it. Today headline on the

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Speaker 1: front page, well the fourth page of the Wall Street

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Speaker 1: Journal probe's ad strain between President and Attorney General. And

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Speaker 1: I thought this was really interesting, Buck, because I remember

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Speaker 1: we were talking about last week. I wonder what the

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Speaker 1: relationship now is like between Merrick Garland and Joe Biden.

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Speaker 1: And the opening paragraph here says, the already frosty relationship

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Speaker 1: between President Biden and his Attorney General Merrick Garland is

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Speaker 1: now in a deep freeze. That's the opening paragraph of

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Speaker 1: their piece, Respect and Admiration among White House aids for

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Speaker 1: Garland has shifted for some into resignation and distrust. They

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Speaker 1: point to Garland having appointed not just a special counsel

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Speaker 1: to investigate Trump, but two others as well, one looking

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Speaker 1: into Biden and another into Hunter. Some Biden aides have

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Speaker 1: said they see Garland's handling of the in querries as

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Speaker 1: driven less by dispassionate pursuit of justice than by a

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Speaker 1: punctiliest desire to give the appearance that sensitive investigations are

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Speaker 1: walled off from political pressure. People familiar with the matter

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Speaker 1: say these Aids then Buck point out that they're upset

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Speaker 1: that the Biden classified documents investigation has not occurred, and

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Speaker 1: then buried down here at the end is adding to

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Speaker 1: the fraud relationship between the Justice Department and the White House.

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Speaker 1: Special Counsel Robert Her, remember him, Buck, We haven't heard

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Speaker 1: about Special Counsel Robert Her since he was appointed. That

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Speaker 1: is the guy who's looking into the Biden classified do

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Speaker 1: Biden documents was a total non event. But he's been

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Speaker 1: negotiating with Biden's lawyers, according to this story, for weeks

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Speaker 1: over an interview with the President, and they are unhappy

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Speaker 1: about how those negotiations have gone. All right, So do

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Speaker 1: you buy into this idea that the way that Biden

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Speaker 1: chooses to speak about Merrick Garland is actually through the media.

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Speaker 1: He knows everybody's going to read this, and that this

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Speaker 1: is designed to put pressure on Merrick Garland and basically say,

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Speaker 1: the White House is upset with you. Do you think

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Speaker 1: this is? You don't buy this? So what do you think?

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Speaker 1: What's the what's the impetus behind this article in your mind?

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Speaker 2: Then the impetus in my mind is And maybe I'm

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Speaker 2: I might be giving Democrats too much credit here, but

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Speaker 2: I think this is meant to give the impression that

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Speaker 2: going after his son, and that it's out of his

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Speaker 2: I think that the fix has been in all along here.

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Speaker 2: It's just Hunter is such a screw up. I mean,

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Speaker 2: Hunter is such a walking felony that it's become more challenging.

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Speaker 2: And the House Republicans have played a major role in this. Remember,

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Speaker 2: if the laptop isn't left right before, or the laptop

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Speaker 2: if the laptop isn't left at that repair shop. None

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Speaker 2: of this ever really comes out right, Yeah, none of

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Speaker 2: you know, when I point this out to people, I mean,

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Speaker 2: if I remember correctly, with Hillary Clinton, there was something

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Speaker 2: she almost got away with it. Right now, I sound

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Speaker 1: Darn kids, I would have gotten away with it. But

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Speaker 1: she almost got away with it entirely scot free.

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Speaker 2: The whole scam, which was just meant to make sure

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Speaker 2: of all the corruption that the Clinton Foundation. It was

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Speaker 2: I think he almost got away with it. So bringing

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Speaker 2: on here, Merrick Garland appointed somebody who's not even legitimate

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Speaker 2: within DOJ's own regulations to be the special counselor to

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Speaker 2: Hunter Biden, who's a Hunter Biden partisan basically who had

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Speaker 2: been running the scam investigation beforehand, and Merrick Garland has

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Speaker 2: effectively bent over backwards to have the appearance of propriety

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Speaker 2: for the purposes of all things Hunter Biden, while doing

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Speaker 2: everything possible behind the scenes to actually scuttle any real

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Speaker 2: accountability for the Democrat president's son. So to me, I

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Speaker 2: think this is the Oh he's been so tough on

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Speaker 2: sourcing from him he's been Because what's the benefit of

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Speaker 2: going against Merrick Garland in public this way? I don't

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Speaker 2: see it from the Democrat perspective. If anything, you'd want

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Speaker 2: to pressure him privately. So I think this is all

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Speaker 2: for show. That's my I think this is a show

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Speaker 2: to make it seem like Joe Biden so worried about

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Speaker 2: what's going on with this song because this big, mean

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Speaker 1: I'm not buying it. I think it's I know, I

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Speaker 1: think that's a very valid perspective you could have. And

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Speaker 1: if that's true, then the Wall Street Journal reporters of

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Speaker 1: Then they are being played to do what you're saying,

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Speaker 1: which is try to provide cover because it makes it

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Speaker 1: he's not upset at all. And then in which case

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Speaker 1: they're writing a falsehood. But it makes it look like

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Speaker 1: Merrick Garland is independent because he's actually giving Merrick Garland

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Speaker 1: being so tough on Joe Biden. Right, So it's it's

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Speaker 1: basically the opposite of the way that the story is conveyed.

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Speaker 1: It's more of a think about k than it is

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Speaker 2: People will use that. You know, they'll use this phrase

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Speaker 2: to influence and to inform. Right, there's there's two things

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Speaker 2: you can think of simultaneously. It's not just to tell

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Speaker 1: And Biden. This is what the article says. Quote.

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Speaker 2: Some Biden aids have said they see Garland's handling of

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Speaker 2: the inquiries and the Biden family has driven less by

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Speaker 2: dispassionate pursuit than by punk what you read, punctilious desire.

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Speaker 2: Those aids point out that prosecutors yadaya YadA. What Biden

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Speaker 2: aids Clay are talking to the Wall Street Journal. Think

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Speaker 2: about that for a second too, right, who who.

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Speaker 1: Like to me this is play.

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Speaker 2: It all goes to, you know, Hunter, Biden's bringing the

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Speaker 2: indictment or not indictment.

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Speaker 1: DA lawsuit against the I R S.

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Speaker 2: And now all look at how rough the attorney general's

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Speaker 2: create this completely false premise that things are actually uh

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Speaker 2: you know that that that the system is working against

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Speaker 2: Hunter and the and that there's not effectively a get

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Speaker 1: At the end of this.

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Speaker 2: I mean that what White House says are gonna talk

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Speaker 2: to the Wall Street the Wall Street Journal, they know

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Speaker 2: is basically opposition media. I mean, the Wall Street Journal

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Speaker 2: reporters would disagree with that, but you know it's a

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Speaker 2: right of center paper. So I see this as as

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Speaker 2: they're meant. They're trying to influence as well as informed.

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Speaker 2: That is how I see this this article, and I

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Speaker 2: just know it's.

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Speaker 1: Interesting and I could see that argument the opening paragraph again,

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Speaker 1: the already frosty relationship between President Biden and his Attorney

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Speaker 1: General Merrick Garland is now in a deep freeze. Why

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Speaker 2: But let me ask this question, what what is Merrik

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: What is I think they say it's frosty because he

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Speaker 1: appointed again. It's an interesting question. I think he's fascinated

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Speaker 1: by this, not to a point space.

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Speaker 2: He waited and waited they were finding classified documents in

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Speaker 1: That the whole thing is crazy.

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Speaker 2: He has been holding out for the Bidens at every step.

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Speaker 2: He The Bidens want him on that wall, Clay, they

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Speaker 2: need him on that wall. The notion that Merrick Garland

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Speaker 2: of the Biden White House is absurd. And that's why

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Speaker 2: when I see this piece, I look at it, I go,

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Speaker 2: why would anyone in the Biden orbit right now, going

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Speaker 2: this election year present this to the Wall Street Journal.

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Speaker 2: They're definitely not gonna fire Merrick Garland, right, there's no,

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Speaker 2: he can't do it, right, So what really is the

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Speaker 2: play here? And if it's in a deep freeze, is

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Speaker 2: this gonna make the relationship better?

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Speaker 4: No?

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Speaker 1: So I think this is really interesting. I think that

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Speaker 1: it's possible. This is spy stuff. Clay. I'm going full

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Speaker 1: see and I'm analyzing because I see this story and

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Speaker 1: I'm like, this is a Monday Morning story. That's a

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Speaker 1: really strong opening paragraph. I see the story and I think, so,

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Speaker 1: why would it be in a d freeze. Let's pretend

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Speaker 1: that it is. Let's pretend that they're correct and that

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Speaker 1: they are not getting along. I think it would be

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Speaker 1: that the Biden administration has finally embarrassed Merrick Garland to

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Speaker 1: such an extent. Let me give you a couple of

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Speaker 1: examples of that. When they got the sweetheart deal for

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Speaker 1: Hunter Biden. Do you know what they did? They invited

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Speaker 1: Merrick Garland and Hunter to that. I think it was India.

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Speaker 1: At the state dinner. There's only like one hundred and

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Speaker 1: fifty people or whatever it is there, and you've got

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Speaker 1: your Attorney general mingling with the president's son that he

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Speaker 1: just gave a get out of jelfree I can see

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Speaker 1: Merrick Garland saying that is reckless. They put me in

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Speaker 1: a really bad position. I think the way that the

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Speaker 1: thing the hearing went down with Judge Noryeika. Even if

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Speaker 1: you are doing the dirty work of the client, which

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Speaker 1: you could argue Merrick Garland has been there is a

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Speaker 1: point where you moved from advocate to shameless partisan. And

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Speaker 1: I wonder if Merrick Garland believes that the Biden administration

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Speaker 1: has put him into the role of shameless partisan and

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Speaker 1: he's unhappy and uncomfortable with it. That's the only reason

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Speaker 1: I could see it be in deep freeze.

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Speaker 2: I think Merrick Garland has wholeheartedly embraced his role as

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Speaker 1: We're joined now by Ovik Roy, president of the Foundation

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Speaker 1: done fantastic work for a variety of different issues. I

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Speaker 4: Well, those Lions fans are going nuts in Detroit. That's

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Speaker 1: I thought Obamacare was supposed to fix all that. What happened?

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Speaker 4: Yeah? They called it the Affordable Care Act, right, and

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Speaker 1: have seen suggests that if we had half as much

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Speaker 1: medical treatment, there would be no change really in the

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Speaker 1: amount of years of average life that are added, right,

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Speaker 1: In other words, the quality of the healthcare results would

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Speaker 1: not change with half of the amount of healthcare spending.

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Speaker 1: Do you buy that or do you think that's an

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Speaker 1: exaggerated analysis of our current system.

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Speaker 4: I do buy that there's stuff we do at the

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Speaker 4: end of life that you know, to kind of be heroes.

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Speaker 4: That may not make much of a difference. But the

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Speaker 4: problem is it's really hard. It's easy to look at

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Speaker 4: that in hindsight and say, oh, we shouldn't have done that,

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Speaker 4: or we shouldn't have done that.

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Speaker 3: That didn't work.

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Speaker 4: But you don't know until you try it, right, And

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Speaker 4: who's going to tell that seventy five year old or

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Speaker 4: that eighty year old don't do that, don't do that

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Speaker 4: thing that might save my life. Right, So that's a

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Speaker 4: hard thing to solve. But what you can solve, and

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Speaker 4: what's clearly true in the United States, is that unit

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Speaker 4: price of every piece of healthcare we deliver to people

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Speaker 4: is way higher here. Most people know that what you

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Speaker 4: pay for prescription drugs in the US is two to

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Speaker 4: five x what it is in other countries. That's true

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Speaker 4: of hospital care too, the average hospital stay. In the US,

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Speaker 4: we actually are very good at getting people out of

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Speaker 4: the hospital. A lot of the surgeries. You know, when

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Speaker 4: I tore my achilles five years or seven years ago,

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Speaker 4: it was done in a day. I was in and

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Speaker 4: out of the hospital a day. So in a lot

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Speaker 4: of other countries, that's a five day operation, or you're

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Speaker 4: in the hospital for seven days. So we're really good

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Speaker 4: at getting people in and out of the hospital, which

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Speaker 4: would save a lot of money. The problem is, each

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Speaker 4: day we spent in an American hospital costs five times

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Speaker 4: as it does five times as much as it does

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Speaker 4: in Switzerland or Germany or Scandinavi or any other.

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Speaker 3: Wealthy country that you can think of.

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Speaker 4: So the problem in America is that the price of

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Speaker 4: the healthcare that we deliver is way higher than it

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Speaker 4: is elsewhere. And the reason for that is because we've

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Speaker 4: made eighty years of policy mistakes at the federal level

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Speaker 4: that have incentivized drug companies and hospitals and doctors and

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Speaker 4: lab test companies to charge you more and more every

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Speaker 4: year because you don't pay directly for those services. You know,

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Speaker 4: you think you bought insurance, your employer bought it for you,

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Speaker 4: and you have no sense of what anything costs or

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Speaker 4: what you paid for anything because you didn't directly pay

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Speaker 4: for it.

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Speaker 2: So what are the parties offering right now for Democrat

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Speaker 2: Republic in twenty twenty four healthcare solutions? One thing I

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Speaker 2: asked Clay about, and I was talking about this off aras, like,

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Speaker 2: does anything even have.

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Speaker 1: A healthcare plan that they're talking about right now? What

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Speaker 1: is it and what should it be? Maybe more importantly, yeah,

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Speaker 1: so far, not much.

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Speaker 4: So Biden hasn't really talked about much on healthcare other

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Speaker 4: than you know, continuing to bail out Obamacare with more subsidies.

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Speaker 4: They did pass the Inflation Reduction Act Medicare prescription drug

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Speaker 4: price negotiation provisions last year, which I actually think is

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Speaker 4: reasonably good policy, and I can get into that if

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Speaker 4: you want so. I'm different from a lot of Republicans

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Speaker 4: on that particular piece. I think it's actually the pro

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Speaker 4: free market thing to do to let Medicare negotiate drug

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Speaker 4: prices to a limited degree. But if I talked to

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Speaker 4: the Republican field, there's not a lot at all now

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Speaker 4: that could change. You know, it's still early in the campaign.

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Speaker 4: It's possible that you'll see some of the candidates in

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Speaker 4: the Republican field talk about healthcare more as the as

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Speaker 4: the campaign goes along, but as of now, we don't

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Speaker 4: have a lot of details from the candidates. The closest

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Speaker 4: we've gotten, I think is Nikki Haley, who said at

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Speaker 4: the last debate that she's very concerned about the federal

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Speaker 4: deficit and debt and flagged healthcare is one of the

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Speaker 4: causes of that.

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Speaker 3: But she didn't get into a lot of details as

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Speaker 3: to what her plan would be.

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Speaker 1: So how do we fix it?

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Speaker 4: Well, you know, at my think tank, the Foundation for

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Speaker 4: Research on Equal Opportunity, we've talked about how to fix

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Speaker 4: it for a long time. In fact, there's a bill

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Speaker 4: that's been introduced in Congress in both the House and

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Speaker 4: the Senate based on our work called the Fair Care Act,

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Speaker 4: and it's the main sponsors in the House are a

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Speaker 4: Congressman from Arkansas named Bruce Westerman and one from Indiana

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Speaker 4: named Jim Banks. And then in the Senate it's an

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Speaker 4: Indiana Senator named Mike Brawn. And basically, the idea of

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Speaker 4: the Fair Care Act is pretty simple. Let's make healthcare

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Speaker 4: less expensive by unleashing the forces of competition innovation so

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Speaker 4: that people are competing for your business as a consumer.

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Speaker 4: Let's make sure that we're only subsidizing people who really

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Speaker 4: need to help. So one of the real things that

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Speaker 4: we do that's a mistake in America is you and

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Speaker 4: I pay taxes, and all your listeners pay taxes, so

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Speaker 4: that Warren Buffett and Mitt Romney can get some government

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Speaker 4: subsidized healthcare.

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Speaker 3: Why is that?

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Speaker 4: Why don't we actually subsidize healthcare only for the people

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Speaker 4: who truly struggle to afford it, whether it's because they're vulnerable,

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Speaker 4: they're sick, or they're low income or even middle income

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Speaker 4: people who just can't afford it. And let's stop subsidizing

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Speaker 4: health care for rich people. If we just stop subsidizing

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Speaker 4: healthcare for rich people and allow people to buy the

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Speaker 4: insurance they want to buy instead of having it forced

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Speaker 4: upon them by their employer or the government, you'd unleash

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Speaker 4: enormous synergies in terms of savings. Because at the end

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Speaker 4: of the day, what we all know about everything in

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Speaker 4: life is that if you're spending your own money, you're

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Speaker 4: going to be a lot more careful about how you

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Speaker 4: spend it. But if somebody else is spending somebody else's

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Speaker 4: money on your behalf, no one's going to care how

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Speaker 4: it's spent. And that's what allows everyone in the healthcare

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Speaker 4: industry to raise prices on you. So the left wing

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Speaker 4: solution to that is the government run it even more right,

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Speaker 4: have price controls, restrict access to expensive things, all the

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Speaker 4: things that you see in all those single payer countries.

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Speaker 4: But there's a free market way to do this, which

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Speaker 4: is you should control the healthcare dollars that are spent

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Speaker 4: on your behalf. If you spend the money, just like

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Speaker 4: on everything else you do in life, you're going to

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Speaker 4: spend it wisely. And yes, let's make sure that we

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Speaker 4: help the people who truly truly need the help.

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Speaker 3: But that's a fraction of who we're subsidizing today.

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Speaker 1: Ovik, easy question. Example of that. I've had three kids.

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Speaker 1: Fortunately they have all had relatively smooth deliveries. We went

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Speaker 1: and toured all of the places in Nashville where you

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Speaker 1: have children, you know, hospitals. None of them could tell

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Speaker 1: me what it was going to cost. They could tell

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Speaker 1: me that they were going to have Wi Fi. They

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Speaker 1: could tell me that they were going to have bamboo floors.

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Speaker 1: They could tell me that we were going to have

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Speaker 1: private waiting rooms. None of them could tell me what

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Speaker 1: having a baby was going to cost. And I just

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Speaker 1: I couldn't gain ask that. When you would tour, it

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Speaker 1: gets his discretionary right. I could choose to go to

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Speaker 1: this hospital or that hospital. In every other facet there

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Speaker 1: would be price competition. They couldn't even tell me the cost, right.

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Speaker 4: And there's no law preventing them from telling you the cost,

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Speaker 4: they just have no incentive to do so. How crazy

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Speaker 4: of all the government distortions. It's crazy. And if you

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Speaker 4: showed up.

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Speaker 1: Observabick, if you showed up to buy a car and

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Speaker 1: you just walked onto the car lot and no one

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Speaker 1: told you what a car costs, it would be madness.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 1: That's basically what happens oftentimes with healthcare, even when it's

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Speaker 1: a discretionary time. You know, it's not like this was

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Speaker 1: an emergency. You can pick where you're.

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Speaker 3: Going absolutely, and so uh.

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Speaker 4: You know, one of the things I tell conservative Republicans

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Speaker 4: all the time is you hear some people say it's

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Speaker 4: not the federal government's job to fix healthcare and make

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Speaker 4: it more affordable for you. I understand that sentiment. But

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Speaker 4: what people need to understand is the reason healthcare is

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Speaker 4: so stupid and expensive and opaque to the patient and

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Speaker 4: the consumer is because the federal government has been messing

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Speaker 4: it up for eighty years. And so it is important

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Speaker 4: for members of Congress and senators to fix the things

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Speaker 4: that the federal government has messed up. That Congress has

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Speaker 4: messed up about healthcare for eighty years, and price transparency

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Speaker 4: is part of it. Not just price transparency, so you

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Speaker 4: as a patient or as a parent can know how

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Speaker 4: much it's going to cost you to get your baby delivered.

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Speaker 4: But one of the things that the Trump administration did

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Speaker 4: that I think is a really positive development that's going

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Speaker 4: to improve healthcare over the next several years is the

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Speaker 4: Trump administration passed some a series of regulations that force

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Speaker 4: insurers and hospitals to be transparent about the prices they

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Speaker 4: negotiate with each other. So if Blue Cross or United

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Speaker 4: or at N or whichever insurance plan you have, has

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Speaker 4: negotiated a certain price for that delivery of a baby

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Speaker 4: at a particular hospital, now that has to be disclosed

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Speaker 4: to the public. Now the hospital has been dragging their

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Speaker 4: feet and disclosing that data, and that's an area where

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Speaker 4: the government has to be more, has to do more

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Speaker 4: to force the transparency rules. But once you have that

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Speaker 4: data out there, then as an employer, you can see

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Speaker 4: whether or not your insurer has done a good job

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Speaker 4: of negotiating on your behalf. Because sometimes insurers are lazy,

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Speaker 4: they don't actually do a good job of negotiating on

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Speaker 4: your behalf, because actually, if healthcare prices are higher and

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Speaker 4: their operating margin is five percent of a bigger number,

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Speaker 4: they make more money. They actually make more money if

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Speaker 4: healthcare is more expensive in a paradoxical way. So as

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Speaker 4: a business, or as a consumer, or as an individual,

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Speaker 4: what you need to know is whether those insurers are

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Speaker 4: doing a good job negotiating on your bealth. And one

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Speaker 4: way for you to do that is to pay for

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Speaker 4: the premium yourself instead of having someone pay the premium

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Speaker 4: for you.

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Speaker 3: So another big reform.

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Speaker 4: And part of the Fair Care Act, is, instead of

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Speaker 4: what we do now, which is given a big tax

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Speaker 4: break to the employer, if the employer buys health insurance

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Speaker 4: for you, why not give the money to you to

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Speaker 4: buy the health insurance that you want to buy. Then

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Speaker 4: you really unleash these forces of competition, just like the

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Speaker 4: exists in other parts of the economy. And that's what

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Speaker 4: we got to do if we want to not have

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Speaker 4: a socialized system. I think the thing that Republicans do

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Speaker 4: that concerns me is they're so scarred by the experience

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Speaker 4: of twenty seventeen, not failing to repeal in a place

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Speaker 4: Obamacare in seventeen that they just don't want to touch it.

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Speaker 4: They're like, you know what, we tried doing healthcare in seventeen.

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Speaker 4: We got our fingers burned on the stove. We don't

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Speaker 4: want to deal with them again. And that's a mistake

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Speaker 4: because healthcare keeps getting more expensive. Just as you said,

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Speaker 4: the polls show that it's a top concern of voters.

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Speaker 4: And if Republicans and Conservatives don't have a reform that's

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Speaker 4: going to work, then people are going to turn to Democrats.

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Speaker 4: And we know what Democrats are going to support. They're

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Speaker 4: going to support public options, they're going to support single payer,

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Speaker 4: they're going to support removing even further the role of

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Speaker 4: the private sector in healthcare.

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Speaker 2: Ovic Roy, president of the Foundation for Research on Equal Opportunity.

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Speaker 2: Ovic Always a pleasure, sir, Thanks for being here.

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Speaker 3: Great to see both.

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Speaker 2: You're part of an audience that has plenty of entrepreneurs

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Speaker 2: listening in those men and women who are the source

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Speaker 2: of so many jobs created here in America. One of

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