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Speaker 1: Welcome to j dot L, a production of iHeartRadio. What

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Speaker 1: Up everybody? Hi, welcome back to J dot L the Podcast.

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Speaker 1: I'm sitting here with my sister friends. You already know

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Speaker 1: Laiah Saint Claus, Yes, hello, and Aja Graydon Danzler, you

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Speaker 1: got it, Phillyonsay. And this is Jill Scott and we

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Speaker 1: have the privilege in this awesome pleasure of speaking to

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Speaker 1: two incredible people, Brian Sheffie and Donia Williams. Okay, Hi, welcome,

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Speaker 1: Welcome to J dot L the podcast. There's so much Yeah,

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Speaker 1: like Aja, would you would you guide us into this?

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Speaker 2: The thing about it is that one of the things

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Speaker 2: that we were really loving about this era of our

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Speaker 2: show is we're been talking to some of our amazing

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Speaker 2: day ones and how they grow so much beauty to

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Speaker 2: the podcast. And so one of our day ones is

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Speaker 2: Donia Williams, who along with her cousin Brian Sheffeye, are

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Speaker 2: experts in genealogy okay, And so what they do is

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Speaker 2: they co host a podcast, a streaming show called Genealogy

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Speaker 2: Adventures Live. And they also have a company, their authors,

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Speaker 2: their community activists. They are doing tons of work around

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Speaker 2: helping African Americans in particular trace their family histories, understand

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Speaker 2: where they come from, making good connections between us here

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Speaker 2: in the US and the diaspora as well as the continent.

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Speaker 2: So we're just really grateful to have them more but Donya,

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Speaker 2: aside from supporting us since the very beginning, has also

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Speaker 2: done a lot of chiming in on some of the

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Speaker 2: past conversations that we've had around African American history, around

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Speaker 2: personal family history, and so we wanted to have on

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Speaker 2: and we're just really super happy to have both of them,

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Speaker 2: So welcome you guys.

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Speaker 3: Was that a good enough? Is that an explanation?

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Speaker 4: That was awesome?

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Speaker 3: And we love to see it.

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Speaker 1: We love to see it because because we're here, we

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Speaker 1: are you know, in this in this time, we're trying

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Speaker 1: to figure out who we are. You know, everybody is

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Speaker 1: really wanting to know because now the technology is such,

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Speaker 1: you know, that we can find out where our people

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Speaker 1: are from. All this time walking around just just not knowing,

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Speaker 1: you know, wearing wearing cloths we don't know what they mean.

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Speaker 1: Having art on the wall, we don't even understand what

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Speaker 1: it is. But we've been searching and looking and reaching

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Speaker 1: for some kind of connection with with a continent that

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Speaker 1: you know was ripped from us in every possible way.

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Speaker 5: Talk, but that's what it is.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm agent and I and like, yeah, we're all

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Speaker 1: coming up in a neo soul movement. You know, the

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Speaker 1: soul movement originally was really about connecting, connecting to ourselves,

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Speaker 1: you know, all of that all that good powerful funk,

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Speaker 1: you know, finding that that rhythm in ourselves. And here

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Speaker 1: now we have the technology to truly find out what

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Speaker 1: it is in us that that makes us us.

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Speaker 2: And you know that one of the big things on

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Speaker 2: this show is you know, pointing out so many of

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Speaker 2: the outside kind of structures that affect how we, you know,

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Speaker 2: think about ourselves, who we believe we are. And we've

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Speaker 2: know how that you know affects our everyday lives. And

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Speaker 2: so this is really on par with the conversation that

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Speaker 2: we've been trying to have since the very beginning, you

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Speaker 2: know what I mean. And as we peel back those

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Speaker 2: go out here and properly identify all of the different

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Speaker 2: things that are coming at you. And what is the

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Speaker 2: foreign matter, if you will, from you and who you

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Speaker 6: So but the fact that everybody just can't afford Henry

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Speaker 6: Lewis Gates.

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Speaker 7: And we're trying to navigate all these websites and stuff

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Speaker 1: That's how I.

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Speaker 2: See may be not to mention in fact, Henry Lewis Gates,

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Speaker 2: it's not the researcher on finding your roots.

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Speaker 6: I just want to put that out there.

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Speaker 1: He's a host, he's a whole. I personally think I

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Speaker 1: maybe because I don't know any better, But I personally

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Speaker 5: I don't follow astrology.

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Speaker 1: You know, I have a favorite number, but I don't

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Speaker 1: that that there's more way, more than just you know

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Speaker 4: Thank you so much for the invitation. Such a pleasure

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Speaker 4: to be able to speak to your audience. So again,

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Speaker 4: thank you for inviting us to the show. Do you

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Speaker 4: know that was the first time I've ever been introduced

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Speaker 4: as an activist And as soon as that, as soon

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Speaker 4: as she said that, I was thinking, it's really a

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Speaker 4: shame that in this day and age, in twenty twenty three,

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Speaker 4: I'm being called an activist for just speaking truth, just

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Speaker 4: speaking truth about the African American experience in the United

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Speaker 4: So thank you for that. And Jewel Ray's a really

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Speaker 4: good point. We do know a lot more than our

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Speaker 4: ancestors new but because our history, Black history still isn't

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Speaker 4: honestly improperly taught in schools, there's still a lot of

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Speaker 4: I don't want to say ignorance, because ignorance is almost

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Speaker 4: like a choice. You don't know that you don't know

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Speaker 4: that gap of knowledge with I call it nonsense, but

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Speaker 4: actually arrived in this country, something that Donnie and I've

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Speaker 4: been actively siding online for a for a long long time,

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Speaker 4: so you know that that knowledge is really important.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So what what brings you guys to this work

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Speaker 2: in the first place? Like, one day you're Brian and Donya,

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Speaker 2: y'all walking around the world being black mind and your

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Speaker 2: seeing each other on graduations and funerals and things.

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Speaker 3: And then one day what changes it makes y'all go

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Speaker 4: So my dad was turning seventy eight. I was living

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Speaker 4: do I get that? Because my father had everything, just

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Speaker 4: that is the perfect thing to give him. So that

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Speaker 4: My mother said it was probably the most awesome birthday

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Speaker 5: I want to do that for my mom, and I was.

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Speaker 4: And at that point I was hooked. I was hooked

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Speaker 2: My mom is the baby at fourteen and Will thirteen lived,

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Speaker 6: So I always had this really really big, big family.

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Speaker 2: And then my mom's last name is a very rare name,

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Speaker 2: I started to find out how many people were in

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Speaker 2: I started doing this whole thing of just counting how

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Speaker 2: After I did that, I was like, well, I found

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Speaker 5: And that's how I started.

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Speaker 6: And then that's that's how I started it.

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Speaker 2: But the funny thing, Asia you say, you know we

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Speaker 6: Brian and I did not know each other.

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Speaker 2: It was genealogy that actually introduced us to each other,

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Speaker 2: we've now found out that we're cousins, like eight times over.

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Speaker 6: What cousins are y'all?

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Speaker 6: What grandparents through grandparents? A lot?

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Speaker 3: No, that was cold. For first of all, don't be

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Speaker 6: Okay, you know you know we won't tell it all.

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Speaker 3: Baby lak black folks. We were like, we're gonna tell.

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Speaker 8: It to a point to a parent, more real talk

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Speaker 1: You can't see this, but your grandmother, I'm assuming that

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Speaker 1: the lady left of your mother, well my left. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: you guys, Brian, you and that woman look alike, can

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Speaker 1: you get my bugging?

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Speaker 5: Can you see it?

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Speaker 2: And the woman next to her is Mama Lula. That's

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Speaker 2: five generations. It's my daughter on the very far end,

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Speaker 4: But to put it this way, Donnie and I are

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Speaker 4: related eight or nine ways in South Carolina alone, then

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Speaker 3: So is it safe to say or have you noticed

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Speaker 4: For y'all, I'm going to make you all out. I'm

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Speaker 4: divorced twice over and people I lived just outside of DC,

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Speaker 6: But y'alla already mixed up? Then, so y'all are y'all

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Speaker 3: So you go out, you get this DNA situation done.

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Speaker 5: And wait, is it blood?

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Speaker 4: I'm going to do the pre bit. Donnia you can

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Speaker 4: But when you have, when you're involved in either slavery

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Speaker 2: Anyway, my mom's DNA helped ten different people find who

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Speaker 2: And matter of fact, the other thing that people need

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Speaker 6: Your family might walk away from you.

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Speaker 2: They may not deal with you because you're finding information.

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Speaker 4: So again, it's it's not to scare anyone, and it's

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Speaker 6: Don't do it.

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Speaker 4: That's right, that's right.

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Speaker 5: I'm doing it.

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Speaker 5: I'm doing it.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I want you to do it again. Let me

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Speaker 2: African ancestry tells you that they can pinpoint your tribe.

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Speaker 3: That's what that is.

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna see the big three like Ancestry, twenty three

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Speaker 4: the larger the percentage, the more ancestry you're going to

442
00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:12,240
Speaker 4: have from that place. The other part of the puzzle

443
00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:15,440
Speaker 4: that gets missed out is, as Donnie was saying, it's

444
00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:19,560
Speaker 4: not like people in Nigeria, Africans Nigeria were always in Nigeria.

445
00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:22,960
Speaker 4: You know, human beings, we move, We move all over

446
00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:26,240
Speaker 4: the place. Movement isn't new to our generation or you know,

447
00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:29,679
Speaker 4: to modern times. In order to get to West Africa,

448
00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:33,400
Speaker 4: our ancient ancestors started off in East Africa and then

449
00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:36,679
Speaker 4: work their way over to the West. So DNA is

450
00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:39,000
Speaker 4: just a really complicated thing, and it tells a very

451
00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:40,120
Speaker 4: complicated story.

452
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Speaker 6: And I think that it's nothing the truth. Brian, I

453
00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:43,560
Speaker 6: don't know what it's about.

454
00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:48,679
Speaker 2: The thing is this, The thing is this that our

455
00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:51,320
Speaker 2: little Western I spirits pull together the plot in a

456
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Speaker 2: thirty minute rom Com, let's get into it.

457
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Speaker 6: Yeah, he's the thing. This is, this is the whole thing.

458
00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:02,040
Speaker 2: From the four places that the four companies that he named,

459
00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:09,199
Speaker 2: at least two of them are entertainment. Remember that the

460
00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:12,760
Speaker 2: twenty three and me is probably the one that's not entertainment.

461
00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:15,160
Speaker 2: So you can go to you can go to twenty

462
00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:18,560
Speaker 2: three and me, you can get the DNA information. They're

463
00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:21,080
Speaker 2: gonna show you, they're gonna tell you different things when

464
00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:24,920
Speaker 2: you get your information. But what makes twenty three and

465
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Speaker 2: Me different from Ancestry not African Ancestry is the fact

466
00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:33,480
Speaker 2: that with ancestry dot com you can actually connect records

467
00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:37,840
Speaker 2: to your to a tree and start to build and

468
00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:42,399
Speaker 2: bring it all together and compile both the DNA and

469
00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:45,760
Speaker 2: the records together so that you can then go ahead

470
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Speaker 2: and start finding your family and finding out more about them.

471
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Speaker 6: And that's what we would love to do for you guys.

472
00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:55,760
Speaker 2: We want to be able to build like that. And

473
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Speaker 2: then the other thing is but remember ancestry is is entertainment.

474
00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:06,560
Speaker 2: But because those records are there, it's why it works.

475
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:10,360
Speaker 2: So so let me just let me just try to like, Okay,

476
00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:13,760
Speaker 2: so what you guys are saying is that ultimately that

477
00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:18,040
Speaker 2: it is the story, the record, it's the the family

478
00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:24,440
Speaker 2: members stories, the records, and the DNA as a as

479
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:29,160
Speaker 2: a body or a toolkit is probably the best kind

480
00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:32,719
Speaker 2: of use of this type of work. So genealogy as

481
00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:36,600
Speaker 2: a you know, as a study, so involves all of

482
00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:40,359
Speaker 2: these things. That's exactly for us. We can't be fully

483
00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:44,520
Speaker 2: dependent on one spoke in this wheel. We have to

484
00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:47,080
Speaker 2: kind of figure, you know, pull in all of these things,

485
00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:51,080
Speaker 2: which makes all the sense in the world, because I mean.

486
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Speaker 1: Look at our hair. Yeah, how many textures of hair

487
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Speaker 1: do you have on your head?

488
00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:58,720
Speaker 4: You know what I mean? How many colors of hair

489
00:26:58,880 --> 00:26:59,920
Speaker 4: do I have on my head?

490
00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:01,000
Speaker 5: How about that?

491
00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:03,960
Speaker 3: It's a four three.

492
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:07,359
Speaker 5: We're gonna take a quick break and then.

493
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Speaker 9: We'll be right back.

494
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Speaker 7: I can't wait to get into a more Brian and

495
00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:22,479
Speaker 7: Dinet because I'm kind of like in live mode right

496
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:24,840
Speaker 7: now where I have two older parents and I use

497
00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:28,120
Speaker 7: both two different services for each parent for two different reasons,

498
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:30,520
Speaker 7: right Like, I literally used the twenty three and me

499
00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:33,560
Speaker 7: because I did want to know my averaging content and

500
00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:37,520
Speaker 7: where we came from. But then I use the ancestry

501
00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:39,920
Speaker 7: for my mom because she has no idea of who

502
00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:41,200
Speaker 7: her father's people are.

503
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:43,080
Speaker 6: Like after the father, we don't know who the.

504
00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:44,639
Speaker 3: Birth parents and things of that nature.

505
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Speaker 6: So I'm hoping that that will help me.

506
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:47,919
Speaker 4: Yeah, we can.

507
00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:51,960
Speaker 2: We can definitely hopefully we will be able to help

508
00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:55,080
Speaker 2: with that. The thing that I also want people to

509
00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:56,040
Speaker 2: understand is.

510
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:56,760
Speaker 6: That with.

511
00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:03,160
Speaker 2: We are not in any kind of way knocking African ancestry.

512
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:06,480
Speaker 2: I need for everybody to know that if you're gonna

513
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:10,080
Speaker 2: do that route, then buy all me do that route. However,

514
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:14,720
Speaker 2: you have to be mindful of the information that they're

515
00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:16,880
Speaker 2: giving you. So one of the things that was said

516
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:21,160
Speaker 2: to Asia, and I promise you, Asia, I cried along

517
00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:24,520
Speaker 2: with you that day. And I don't even know if

518
00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:31,520
Speaker 2: y'all saw my tweets that day, but there is a

519
00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:35,640
Speaker 2: halflo group for every last person and they told you

520
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:37,040
Speaker 2: that there wasn't.

521
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Speaker 4: And can I just say that that Darnia is legit

522
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:42,719
Speaker 4: because it hit her to the core and she was

523
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:45,560
Speaker 4: crying on the foon to me as she was telling

524
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Speaker 4: me about what was said on the show.

525
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Speaker 2: She was, Yeah, that broke my heart knowing that knowing

526
00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:55,000
Speaker 2: the kind of person everybody knows who Asia is that

527
00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:59,960
Speaker 2: listens to this show, everybody knows you know why supremacy

528
00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:06,600
Speaker 2: is that the problem? But I wanted to say that

529
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:08,880
Speaker 2: one of the big thing that was heartbreaking for me

530
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:11,400
Speaker 2: was again the way that we were discussing it with

531
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Speaker 2: that it was being traced from mother to mother to

532
00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:16,000
Speaker 2: mother to mother, and.

533
00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:21,560
Speaker 3: On my mother's side, my grandmother's grandmother is a person

534
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:25,360
Speaker 3: who is a mystery to us, and so I was

535
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:26,440
Speaker 3: looking forward.

536
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:30,080
Speaker 2: To understanding more about her lineage because she's a person

537
00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:32,440
Speaker 2: we don't know. My great grandmother was raised by a

538
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:36,800
Speaker 2: woman who wasn't her mother, and it's heartbreaking because her

539
00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:39,840
Speaker 2: her mother who raised her, who was not her biological mother,

540
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:41,120
Speaker 2: is well documented.

541
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Speaker 3: So she was an educator. She has all kinds of

542
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:46,160
Speaker 3: things that have been written about her.

543
00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:50,880
Speaker 2: My family goes back many many generations in Loudon County, Virginia.

544
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:56,240
Speaker 2: So that means, Brian, you can never date me. It's

545
00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:58,120
Speaker 2: a good thing. I mean, I know, I'm fine, but

546
00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:02,120
Speaker 2: you know that's right. Knew yourself, okay, because we are

547
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:06,080
Speaker 2: probably related, but you know, but the bottom line is

548
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:10,120
Speaker 2: that you know it was It was heartbreaking on multiple levels.

549
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:12,760
Speaker 3: It wasn't just the like surprise age you're a white lady.

550
00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:15,200
Speaker 2: It hurt it was like, not only did I have

551
00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:18,040
Speaker 2: to find out that, but then now this woman who

552
00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:22,120
Speaker 2: I knew I was gonna finally find something about her,

553
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:25,120
Speaker 2: it was just went up and smoke. So I was

554
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:28,280
Speaker 2: hurt and I and I thank you for just being

555
00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:30,080
Speaker 2: in that moment with me. You know, of course I

556
00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:33,040
Speaker 2: didn't want to make you sad, but girl, that's where my.

557
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Speaker 6: I was more mad crying than sad. Yeah, I'm gonna

558
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:41,520
Speaker 6: keep that real with you. I was, yeah, I'm gonna

559
00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:42,440
Speaker 6: keep that. I was mad.

560
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:44,960
Speaker 2: I was like, listen, I'm like, if you're gonna give

561
00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:48,600
Speaker 2: this information, did tell it truthfully? Because that's where that's

562
00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:51,040
Speaker 2: where Brian and I, you know, that's what we live on.

563
00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:54,800
Speaker 6: We live on truth and the light of things that people.

564
00:30:54,680 --> 00:31:00,680
Speaker 2: Don't realize is taking American history, you have to add

565
00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:02,240
Speaker 2: that Black history in it.

566
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Speaker 6: It's just missing. It's missing. It has been taken out.

567
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:08,840
Speaker 6: So when you're doing your research and you're.

568
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:13,640
Speaker 2: Trying to find your family, you're gonna go through start saying, well,

569
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:14,440
Speaker 2: wait a minute, this.

570
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:16,160
Speaker 6: Was going on during American history.

571
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:18,480
Speaker 2: You mean to tell me my peoples was dealing with

572
00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:21,600
Speaker 2: that at that particular moment, at that particular time, and

573
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:25,000
Speaker 2: we weren't. We weren't taught it. We didn't know that

574
00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:27,440
Speaker 2: we had a hand in it. I'm gonna be very

575
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:30,160
Speaker 2: honest with you, y'all. I don't know how well you

576
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:33,040
Speaker 2: guys are on your history. Most people know who ch'all

577
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:36,200
Speaker 2: Sumner is, right, ch'all Sumner is the man that got

578
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:40,000
Speaker 2: beat on the Senate floor because he was did a

579
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:47,320
Speaker 2: speech against slavery. Yeah, guess whose second great grandmother was

580
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:49,760
Speaker 2: enslaved by the man who beat him.

581
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Speaker 3: Wow.

582
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Speaker 2: And the way I learned it, I'm sitting here and

583
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:59,600
Speaker 2: I'm doing my research, and you know, your ancestors talked

584
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:02,280
Speaker 2: to you, and you're doing these things. They guide you,

585
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:04,960
Speaker 2: whether you want to realize it or not, they guide you.

586
00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:08,200
Speaker 2: And I'm sitting here and I'm like, Okay, I just

587
00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:11,120
Speaker 2: got this email from the place that I was working with,

588
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:13,920
Speaker 2: they saying, yeah, your your great great grandmother, Martha Brooks

589
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:19,280
Speaker 2: was enslaved by Whitfield Brooks, Preston Brooks, and Lemuel Brooks.

590
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:24,440
Speaker 6: Well, Whitfield was first, Preston was second, and Lemuel was last.

591
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:27,600
Speaker 2: So in most instances, when you're going to research, you're

592
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 2: either going to start from the back to the forward

593
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:33,240
Speaker 2: or start from the front and backward. You're never going

594
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:38,160
Speaker 2: to go in the middle. Something in me said, look

595
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:39,480
Speaker 2: at Preston Brooks.

596
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:40,840
Speaker 6: So I did.

597
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:44,239
Speaker 2: And when I looked up Preston brook that's when I

598
00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:47,960
Speaker 2: saw a picture that is still in history books today

599
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:51,800
Speaker 2: about a man holding a cane over Charles Sumner. And

600
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:55,000
Speaker 2: I was like, need to tell me that this is

601
00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:59,000
Speaker 2: the man that I started this picture. I am sitting

602
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:03,400
Speaker 2: here learning my history in class and not realizing that

603
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:07,480
Speaker 2: it was my history that I was learning because I

604
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:11,960
Speaker 2: ended up being related to this man. So when you

605
00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:15,200
Speaker 2: look at when you sit down and you're in school

606
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:18,280
Speaker 2: and you're trying to do your you're learning about history,

607
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:20,880
Speaker 2: and you're learning about all of the founding fathers and

608
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:23,400
Speaker 2: them doing this and them doing that, and then they

609
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:26,080
Speaker 2: get the slavery and everybody white turns to the black

610
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:28,640
Speaker 2: people because that's our history.

611
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:30,520
Speaker 3: That's it.

612
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:34,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, and pull them together all of the elements that

613
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:38,640
Speaker 2: at least you know that we are all, you know,

614
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:44,200
Speaker 2: tied to one another, though you know there's got to

615
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:48,720
Speaker 2: be some major like you know, y'all probably are really

616
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:50,600
Speaker 2: answered this because truth of the matter is that we

617
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:54,720
Speaker 2: can be more surprising than Hello, we related and three

618
00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:57,200
Speaker 2: different times over I was going to ask, like, you know.

619
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Speaker 3: What, there's something really like that your wig back about

620
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:01,640
Speaker 3: this work.

621
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Speaker 4: Doing genealogy introduced me to American history, but starting to

622
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:10,319
Speaker 4: actually started giving me the names of ancestors. That was

623
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:13,000
Speaker 4: the first time I actually had a sense of an

624
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:16,759
Speaker 4: American identity. Now, I was born and raised here up

625
00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:21,960
Speaker 4: until I was about nineteen, small Connecticut town. Dad was

626
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:24,279
Speaker 4: in the military, so, you know, but not too far

627
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:27,520
Speaker 4: from the naval base in Connecticut. Never felt like an American.

628
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:30,480
Speaker 4: I was never allowed to feel like even though I

629
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:33,279
Speaker 4: was born in this country with ancestry that goes all

630
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:36,719
Speaker 4: the way back to the foundations of Virginia and then

631
00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:40,279
Speaker 4: further beyond my Native American side. How sad is that

632
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:42,200
Speaker 4: to not feel like you were an American until you

633
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 4: start learning about your family and start naming your ancestors.

634
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:48,879
Speaker 4: And I said, all of this work started in when

635
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:52,239
Speaker 4: I was still living in England. So now that I'm

636
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:55,759
Speaker 4: back at state side, when white supremacists come for me

637
00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:59,239
Speaker 4: on Twitter or anywhere on social media, I can clap back.

638
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:01,279
Speaker 4: When they're like, if you don't like this country, just

639
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:04,640
Speaker 4: just leave, I'm like, why should I come to think

640
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:07,719
Speaker 4: of it, Thomas Jefferson is a great grand you know,

641
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 4: I'm not I'm not dropping names to be bigging up anything.

642
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:14,520
Speaker 4: This is America. We're talking about America. We're talking about

643
00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:17,560
Speaker 4: people who are like all of us. You know, Thomas

644
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:21,360
Speaker 4: Jefferson is an ancestor. George Washington is a great uncle

645
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:26,719
Speaker 4: and a step great grandfather. Patrick Henry is an ancestor.

646
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:29,560
Speaker 4: All the kind of movers and shakers colonial you know,

647
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:33,080
Speaker 4: Donnie and I have colonial governors who are our ancestors.

648
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:39,279
Speaker 4: So it's like our ancestors, just thinking specifically about the

649
00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:43,600
Speaker 4: black ones built this country. I'm ode and I ain't leaving.

650
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:44,480
Speaker 6: Yeah.

651
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:48,240
Speaker 2: And then for me, what blew me back was Moses

652
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:51,880
Speaker 2: was Moses Williams the forty you know, because I was

653
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 2: I was pissed when Brian was like, yeah, we're gonna

654
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:56,520
Speaker 2: do this research, and I'm like, no, I'm not.

655
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:01,320
Speaker 4: It was it was the forty kids that put Domnia

656
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:02,880
Speaker 4: off his research.

657
00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:06,960
Speaker 2: For him, I have a I already knew that I

658
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:09,880
Speaker 2: had a second great grandfather named Moses, So when I

659
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:13,160
Speaker 2: was doing my research, I was looking for Moses.

660
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:15,239
Speaker 6: I was looking for that great grandfather.

661
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:19,400
Speaker 2: But when I found this whole article about this Moses

662
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:23,360
Speaker 2: Williams with the forty five children. He's looking fifty but

663
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:25,000
Speaker 2: he's actually sixty five.

664
00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:27,520
Speaker 6: And yeah, this is in.

665
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:30,160
Speaker 2: An article, guys, And then they tell you. They're telling

666
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:31,239
Speaker 2: you everything about it.

667
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:33,440
Speaker 6: And at the very end of the article it says

668
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:36,560
Speaker 6: that it was verified. So this was true.

669
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:39,399
Speaker 2: And I sent it to him. I sent it to Brian,

670
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:41,640
Speaker 2: and I was like, Brian, this is Moses. I'm not

671
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:44,880
Speaker 2: doing this, you know, this research on him because we

672
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:48,120
Speaker 2: never told y'all his age. So Brian turns around and

673
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:53,319
Speaker 2: he goes and he finds an obituary note for him,

674
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:58,200
Speaker 2: and the obituary note simply says age man one hundred

675
00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:00,600
Speaker 2: and fifteen dies.

676
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:03,680
Speaker 6: Forty three of his children are surviving him.

677
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:07,520
Speaker 2: So when I'm looking at it, like and in fifteen,

678
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:11,239
Speaker 2: now I know that my Moses was born in seventeen

679
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:12,120
Speaker 2: ninety one.

680
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:13,800
Speaker 6: This ain't my Moses.

681
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:14,319
Speaker 3: Who was this?

682
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:17,719
Speaker 6: So then Brian comes back and says, yeah, this is

683
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:18,320
Speaker 6: his father.

684
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:24,160
Speaker 2: I'm like, no way, now, no, I'm not doing this

685
00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:28,000
Speaker 2: research because that means every last one of his children

686
00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:32,319
Speaker 2: were enslaved and I am not going into that.

687
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:33,680
Speaker 6: And he made me do it.

688
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:38,920
Speaker 3: So forty five, forty five children all were enslaved.

689
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:44,000
Speaker 4: So to put Moses into context, he was born when

690
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:47,960
Speaker 4: America was still a calony. British pound sterling was the

691
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:52,800
Speaker 4: currency of the day. Well, briches or pantaloons or you know,

692
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 4: the zipper wasn't even invented at that point. When he

693
00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:59,640
Speaker 4: got you know, he was here for all those major wars,

694
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:03,360
Speaker 4: Polutionary War, War of eighteen twelve and made it, you know,

695
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:06,959
Speaker 4: the Civil War when he was born, in the Mexican War,

696
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:09,880
Speaker 4: when he was born in seventeen sixty nine, when he

697
00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:13,680
Speaker 4: was old enough to remember the Revolution, he would have

698
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:17,360
Speaker 4: heard all those words about liberty and freedom, We're not

699
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:21,319
Speaker 4: going to be slaves to Britain. He would have understood it.

700
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:25,080
Speaker 4: He would have heard it, and he could never have

701
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 4: conceived that he would ever be free. And he survived it.

702
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 4: He survived slavery for a good few decades because he

703
00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:36,920
Speaker 4: died in eighteen eighty four. His father, who was was

704
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:42,680
Speaker 4: also his enslaver, Daniel Williams. Daniel Williams wife was his

705
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:50,480
Speaker 4: aunt because Moses's mother was Daniel Williams enslaved sister in law. Yeah, okay,

706
00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:57,279
Speaker 4: I'm seeing people's people's heads agains, but I.

707
00:38:57,239 --> 00:39:00,480
Speaker 2: Do think this is a really I mean the context

708
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:05,359
Speaker 2: of where we are today, the idea that.

709
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:10,960
Speaker 3: We are being separated so intentionally.

710
00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:16,640
Speaker 2: From this place around who is who is the most American?

711
00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:21,319
Speaker 2: What history deserves to be spoken about and taught? What

712
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:22,640
Speaker 2: are our identity?

713
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:28,160
Speaker 3: Who are that? This is so let's go back to

714
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:29,239
Speaker 3: you being an activist.

715
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:32,799
Speaker 2: This is a revolutionary app because what happens is that

716
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:38,680
Speaker 2: we have to contend with the identity of ourselves, our families,

717
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:42,320
Speaker 2: the country that has been built around us, our part

718
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:45,120
Speaker 2: in that, and that It is not a cut and

719
00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:49,960
Speaker 2: dry story. It is not a you know, no pun intended,

720
00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:54,840
Speaker 2: black and white story. This is a story about a

721
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:59,400
Speaker 2: number of systems that have been in place since the

722
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:01,160
Speaker 2: fifteen hundreds that.

723
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:04,080
Speaker 3: In this country, and that now we are.

724
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:08,640
Speaker 2: Contending with what happens when you set up something like

725
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:12,960
Speaker 2: this and you insert human beings into it, and then

726
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:15,280
Speaker 2: you look at it four hundred.

727
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:18,240
Speaker 3: And what sixty five seventy some odd years.

728
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:22,839
Speaker 2: Later, right when I wrote my book, Brian and I

729
00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:27,480
Speaker 2: because Brian was my editors completely, you know, he and

730
00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:30,000
Speaker 2: I have done so much together. But when I wrote

731
00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:33,640
Speaker 2: my book, he started doing something called characters and started,

732
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:34,320
Speaker 2: you know.

733
00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:36,319
Speaker 6: Explaining who each character was.

734
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:39,880
Speaker 2: And he spoke about Martha, the one that I talked about,

735
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:42,839
Speaker 2: and it was like she was speaking through him when

736
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:47,879
Speaker 2: he did it, and it angered so many people on Facebook,

737
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:51,360
Speaker 2: on that Facebook page, and it angered so many different

738
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:54,680
Speaker 2: people because they were like, why are you talking about slavery?

739
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:58,799
Speaker 2: You're not slaved, You weren't enslave. You weren't this, You

740
00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:01,319
Speaker 2: weren't that. Why are you even discussing that?

741
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:03,959
Speaker 1: Why are we Why are we talking about the Revolutionary War?

742
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:06,360
Speaker 1: Why are we talking about who died on the battlefield?

743
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:09,800
Speaker 1: They were still carrying around a flag of the people

744
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:11,440
Speaker 1: that lost.

745
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:12,239
Speaker 6: Right.

746
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:20,920
Speaker 1: Confederate monuments, why why are we to have these things

747
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:26,480
Speaker 1: are out there protecting Christopher Columbus statutes? Why why is

748
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:30,719
Speaker 1: your opinion of yourself so damn hi that nobody else

749
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:31,960
Speaker 1: can have a history?

750
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:33,240
Speaker 5: Does that make sense?

751
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:37,719
Speaker 2: It doesn't, And you know that's not why hold on.

752
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:38,680
Speaker 6: I gotta be quiet now.

753
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:43,759
Speaker 4: I was gonna say for people who couldn't and this wasn't.

754
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:46,839
Speaker 4: This is for the wealthiest, for people who couldn't do

755
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:52,320
Speaker 4: a thing for themselves, not a thing. They have black

756
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:55,320
Speaker 4: people to do everything for them, But they wanted to

757
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:57,640
Speaker 4: take all the credit for it, But what's the reason?

758
00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:07,319
Speaker 3: Asia all the reason? And the chorus says why.

759
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:32,920
Speaker 9: More conversation after the break.

760
00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:25,920
Speaker 2: Speaking of white supremacy, Guys, just asked a question real

761
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:28,680
Speaker 2: quick because I noticed in my little journey that while

762
00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:31,759
Speaker 2: I was trying to find out about my et grandmother,

763
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 2: that was limited information. But when her husband and she

764
00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:39,120
Speaker 2: married was an Indigenous man, it seems like the role

765
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:42,200
Speaker 2: call that was kept on indigenous people is ridiculously meticulous.

766
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:42,960
Speaker 6: Am I tripping you?

767
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:47,839
Speaker 4: Guys? No, No, you're not, You're not. You know, there

768
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:50,680
Speaker 4: was a very I can't remember his name again, it's Virginia.

769
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:54,279
Speaker 4: It's either Virginia or South Carolina. I swear it was

770
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:58,799
Speaker 4: in the nineteen twenties. He was an avowed racist and he

771
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:01,440
Speaker 4: wanted to limit the number of people who can claim

772
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:05,280
Speaker 4: Native ancestry. So they have these things called the Eastern

773
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:08,320
Speaker 4: Cherokee Application Forms. You can get them on full three

774
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:12,239
Speaker 4: level form. It's an amazing resource because it has generations

775
00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:15,799
Speaker 4: of family named. If you named one black ancestor, that

776
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:21,480
Speaker 4: was it. Your application was melin void denied Negro ancestry.

777
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:25,160
Speaker 2: Yeah wow, because that's that one drop, that's a part

778
00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:27,960
Speaker 2: of that that one one drop. Well, you know that's

779
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:30,799
Speaker 2: interesting because we've had other guests come on and talk

780
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:34,319
Speaker 2: about some of the anti blackness within the indigenous communities

781
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:38,719
Speaker 2: and of course the somewhat unsavory history of slavery within

782
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:39,920
Speaker 2: those communities as well.

783
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:42,640
Speaker 3: So this kind of brings a little bit of that

784
00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:43,360
Speaker 3: to the surface.

785
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:46,280
Speaker 2: But you know, of course it all gets introduced through

786
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:49,799
Speaker 2: you know, these kind of white supremacist lenses and things

787
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:53,040
Speaker 2: like this form where you know, but it is all

788
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:56,000
Speaker 2: about how they create these things. You gotta you gotta

789
00:43:56,040 --> 00:43:57,640
Speaker 2: get into this lane so I can tell you what

790
00:43:57,719 --> 00:44:00,600
Speaker 2: you can have. I should I feel this form out

791
00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:02,319
Speaker 2: so that I can tell you that you don't get

792
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:06,560
Speaker 2: to live here this you don't get to have this. Yever,

793
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:08,800
Speaker 2: it's never for your benefit.

794
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:11,319
Speaker 1: We'll put your face up next to this paper bag

795
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:13,839
Speaker 1: and I'll let you know what you can get.

796
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:14,759
Speaker 3: We'll get back to you.

797
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:16,960
Speaker 5: I'll get back to you.

798
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:18,839
Speaker 4: Can I share a snippet of history that I hope

799
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:21,080
Speaker 4: is going to make your audience feel really proud about

800
00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:23,400
Speaker 4: our people and kind of our start.

801
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:24,720
Speaker 5: Are you kidding?

802
00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:29,279
Speaker 4: There was early Africans in Virginia, those sixteen nineteen Africans

803
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:32,720
Speaker 4: and a couple and many others who arrived between sixteen

804
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:35,440
Speaker 4: nineteen and sixteen thirty, but I'm going to concentrate on

805
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:39,400
Speaker 4: those sixteen nineteen. So we're told they were slaves, they

806
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:41,640
Speaker 4: would have been slaves, that they had ended up in Mexico,

807
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:45,640
Speaker 4: that's their original destination before they got captured by the British.

808
00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:49,760
Speaker 4: Their definition here is pretty nepulous. I think the best

809
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:52,040
Speaker 4: one was called a bombed servant because they had to

810
00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:55,080
Speaker 4: basically pay off the cost of a voyage that they

811
00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:57,040
Speaker 4: never signed up to take in the first place. But

812
00:44:57,120 --> 00:45:02,160
Speaker 4: that's another story for another day. They're here and all

813
00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:05,120
Speaker 4: but one of them are able to buy themselves out

814
00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:08,880
Speaker 4: of their bonds, and these people start buying up large

815
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:12,120
Speaker 4: tracts of land, which means they had to learn English.

816
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:14,640
Speaker 4: English was not their native for Okay, and a lot

817
00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:17,200
Speaker 4: of them were in Goldin's who were Catholic were told

818
00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:20,400
Speaker 4: they were savages, that they lived in huts. They did not.

819
00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:23,640
Speaker 4: They came from a very cultured kingdom. It was a

820
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:27,120
Speaker 4: Catholic kingdom. So you had the Portuguese who were Catholics

821
00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:30,520
Speaker 4: kidnapping Catholic Africans. The Pope is totally cool with this,

822
00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:34,480
Speaker 4: by the way, Looking to make a profit. Now, unfortunately

823
00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:37,279
Speaker 4: Catholics in Virginia not a good mix because it was

824
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:41,240
Speaker 4: a very Protestant colony at that time. But anyway, most

825
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:44,280
Speaker 4: of them buy themselves out of their bond. They've learned English,

826
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:47,799
Speaker 4: they've learned the English legal system. This is stuff that's

827
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:50,200
Speaker 4: never taught. Donnie and I kind of how to work

828
00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:52,440
Speaker 4: this out between, like how did they manage to do

829
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:56,600
Speaker 4: all this stuff? Two of them became magistrates, four of

830
00:45:56,640 --> 00:46:01,680
Speaker 4: them had white servants, and when they died, the Colony

831
00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:04,400
Speaker 4: of virgin the bridges of Virginia that were like the

832
00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:09,280
Speaker 4: governmental body started closing that door. When the last black

833
00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:13,280
Speaker 4: magistrate died, they passed a law black people can't be magistrates.

834
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:16,560
Speaker 4: When the last one with the with the white servant died,

835
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:20,319
Speaker 4: there's a code black people can no longer hire or

836
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:24,960
Speaker 4: be monsters over white people. All of you know, their achieatment,

837
00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:28,719
Speaker 4: they just kept making achievement after achievement after achievement, and

838
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:31,960
Speaker 4: when they died, there's a law, can't do this, can't

839
00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:35,640
Speaker 4: do that, can't go here, can't you know, it's ridiculous.

840
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:40,120
Speaker 2: And from that point, fast forward to the Civil War

841
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:43,040
Speaker 2: era and their come and now they've been enslaved for

842
00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:46,040
Speaker 2: all these years, and now the Civil War has come

843
00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:49,520
Speaker 2: and gone, and now we're free again. They came out

844
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:55,160
Speaker 2: from Reconstruction era moving faster than the speed of light

845
00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:59,960
Speaker 2: because they became doctors, lawyers. It was over fifteen hundred

846
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:04,520
Speaker 2: African Americans who was in any type of position that

847
00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:09,400
Speaker 2: you can think of as far as government was concerned, local, state, federal,

848
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:12,600
Speaker 2: They were everywhere. They moved at the speed of light.

849
00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:17,400
Speaker 2: They became teachers, they became doctors, they were everything. Within

850
00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:25,480
Speaker 2: a fifteen year period, one hundred HBCUs were created because

851
00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:25,680
Speaker 2: of it.

852
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:27,040
Speaker 4: Yeah.

853
00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:29,160
Speaker 2: Well, I want to go back to one of our

854
00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:32,919
Speaker 2: early early episodes and I talked about reading Black Reconstruction,

855
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:37,160
Speaker 2: which is like should be required reading for any person

856
00:47:37,239 --> 00:47:41,520
Speaker 2: in this country, period, but particularly for black people. WBD boys.

857
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:45,080
Speaker 2: Black Reconstruction really does a very good job. It's not

858
00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:47,080
Speaker 2: the only book that does a good job at this,

859
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:48,760
Speaker 2: but it does a very good job.

860
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:50,800
Speaker 3: Of really talking about that time.

861
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:53,880
Speaker 2: Period after the Civil War and during that time and

862
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:57,719
Speaker 2: what was accomplished, what was taken away, what was structurally

863
00:47:57,880 --> 00:48:00,080
Speaker 2: changed in order for it to never happen again. And

864
00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:04,920
Speaker 2: we're able to see from each state's Constitution, which was

865
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:08,319
Speaker 2: ratified in each individual state. So when you hear white

866
00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:12,040
Speaker 2: people say things like states rights, when they say that,

867
00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:15,279
Speaker 2: that is a that is a dog whistle to Reconstruction

868
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:21,160
Speaker 2: era anti black laws that still exist on the books

869
00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:24,160
Speaker 2: in almost all of these states.

870
00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:26,600
Speaker 3: So when they say things like states rights.

871
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:29,040
Speaker 2: Or we don't want big government, we want small government,

872
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:31,600
Speaker 2: states rights, all of that is a dog.

873
00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:33,279
Speaker 3: Whistle to anti black legislation.

874
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:36,600
Speaker 2: That means we don't want black people to have economic

875
00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:40,920
Speaker 2: or political power, period. So don't buy into that, BS.

876
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:43,600
Speaker 2: And it's like when you hear black conservatives in particular

877
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:45,640
Speaker 2: spill out this same type of propaganda.

878
00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:48,200
Speaker 3: It is a problem. Please know that.

879
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:52,839
Speaker 5: If we really are people that we will make a way.

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Speaker 1: Yes will you will make a way to left to

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Speaker 1: be excellent, to advance.

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Speaker 5: We do these things right.

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Speaker 1: So just imagine had this society and all the others,

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Speaker 1: you know, if they hadn't had such a hatred towards us,

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Speaker 1: there wouldn't be the issues that they have with us

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Speaker 1: right now. I don't believe that people naturally gravitate to

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Speaker 1: selling drugs or selling people for that matter.

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Speaker 3: I don't.

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Speaker 1: I don't think that that's a natural thing for us,

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Speaker 1: but you put us in positions where we have to

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Speaker 1: make a way or try to survive when everything at

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Speaker 1: our cities are destroyed, our towns are destroyed, our education

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Speaker 1: is denied. You know, so many things had we just

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Speaker 1: been left the fuck alone.

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Speaker 4: Huh.

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Speaker 1: You're talking about people who started off not being able

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Speaker 1: to read a language.

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Speaker 5: Okay.

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Speaker 1: People are forced to take a name that they doesn't

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Speaker 1: belong to them at all.

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Speaker 3: Right, dead, that wasn't their dead.

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Speaker 1: That was dead, and save.

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Speaker 2: A group of people that they didn't need to save

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Speaker 2: because had it not been for those sixteen nineteen people,

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Speaker 2: those twenty odd people, Virginia would have died.

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Speaker 4: Yes, that's the killer. Because Donnia has spoke an important truth.

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Speaker 4: That was the third time that Jamestown was on the

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Speaker 4: verge of failing due to because they didn't know how

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Speaker 4: to do anything. They did not send their best, in

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Speaker 4: their brightest.

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Speaker 1: They send the thieves, the same murderers, and they send

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Speaker 1: the criminals stay in this place, and the.

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Speaker 4: Rich and the rich men who didn't know how to

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Speaker 4: do anything.

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Speaker 3: That's right when Donna's embarrass.

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Speaker 4: Yes, so when Donnia said, these people saved Jamestown, they

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Speaker 4: saved Jamestown. They knew how to grow food, they knew

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Speaker 4: how to rear the animals, they knew how to build houses,

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Speaker 4: all of that stuff.

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Speaker 2: And the response, the response to them to who they were,

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Speaker 2: Like I said, this is really important piece of information

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Speaker 2: that they learned early on. That the response was to

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Speaker 2: learn from them and then use the systems to then

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Speaker 2: say we will shut you down that once they are gone,

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Speaker 2: then you say, okay, now this is not allowed. Because

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Speaker 2: that's really important piece there, because I think a lot

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Speaker 2: of times when we talk this is erasure.

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Speaker 3: This is almost the.

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Speaker 2: This is the definition of erasure. You people do a

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Speaker 2: thing and then you outlaw this thing that they did,

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Speaker 2: and then too it only takes a generation to come

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Speaker 2: by before they never knew it ever existed in the

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Speaker 2: first place.

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Speaker 4: And I left your point about big states rights. I'm

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Speaker 4: just going to put this out there because it's very topical.

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Speaker 4: So we get the states rights argument. But at the

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Speaker 4: same time, the same group of extreme conservative GOP people

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Speaker 4: they want to be in your gynocologist's office with you,

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Speaker 4: telling you what you can and cannot do with your

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Speaker 4: own body. They want to be in the classroom telling

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Speaker 4: teachers what they can and cannot That doesn't sound like

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Speaker 4: small governments.

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Speaker 2: No, that kind of sounds like, Yeah, hypocrisy is the

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Speaker 2: is the American way.

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Speaker 6: Isn't it? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Only way, Ladies and gentlemen.

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Speaker 5: Listen.

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Speaker 1: Our strengths and our weaknesses, our tenacity, all of it

949
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Speaker 1: derives from situations now and then and the blood that flows.

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Speaker 1: We'll hate ourselves by design, but we can destroy the

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Speaker 1: chains with knowledge, with comprehension of who we are.

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Speaker 4: Inform yourself and realizing that the system has played us for.

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Speaker 5: Generations, for generations.

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Speaker 4: Cause if we were acting, I mean knew one people

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Speaker 4: is ever going to be united. Human beings just aren't

956
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Speaker 4: built that way. But if the majority of us can,

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Speaker 4: I mean, that's probably the worst pot bubble for the

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Speaker 4: group of people that we're talking about, white supremacists. But

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Speaker 4: if non white people, I'm going to expand this beyond

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Speaker 4: African Americans would just come together and say, you know what,

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Speaker 4: we're drawing a line under the sand. Y'all had a

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Speaker 4: good run of it. European descend to people for the

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Speaker 4: hunt for centuries, you've made a mess of it. It's

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Speaker 4: our turnout. We can't do any worse and what you've done.

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Speaker 4: I was having this conversation with JOHNNYA in the car,

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Speaker 4: I think a week ago saying indigenous peoples all around you.

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Speaker 4: Think about all the places in the world that got

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Speaker 4: colonized by Europe. Indigenous people are not responsible for climate change.

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Speaker 4: We even create pollution. Our people or had religions and

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Speaker 4: cultures about celebrating living in harmony with the planet. You

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Speaker 4: look at any indigenous people, they have mythologies and a

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Speaker 4: real sense of duty to take care of Mother Earth.

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Speaker 4: Raping mother Earth was as foreigner news to any group

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Speaker 4: of indigenous people as any kind of thoughtform told possibly be.

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Speaker 4: But yeah, we're told that we're the Syphageans.

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Speaker 1: That was just that was just a moment of silence,

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Speaker 1: because yeah, it's deserved, it's deserved. This is if you

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Speaker 1: It's worth the trip. Knowledge really is power, and you

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Speaker 1: are the last dragon.

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Speaker 5: You are the last dragon, Paul.

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Speaker 3: Power real rap.

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